Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>51498498
>New thunderhawk of some type sub edition

>>51498503

what makes it different anon? I'm a scrub.

>>51498517
The tail fin is taller and lacks the attitude control fins thingies.

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This was on my doorstep when I came back from lunch.

>>51498517
the wing mounting, nose, and cockpit are different too, as well as additional details on the side

>>51498565
cover/thing looks nice, troll or real.

>>51498498
Hey, nice summary!

Relatively new to 30k, I heard somewhere the D rule operates differently in 30k, is that still the case or is that from before the updates?

>>51498646
that was an optional rule from 6th where D was far more powerful
now you just use the 7th D rules

>>51498646
The optional D rule was made in the first books before 7th changed D. It doesn't appear in newer books, like the red ones.

>>51498565
And what is it sorry? XV is TSons...

>>51498565
mmmmm feelsgoodman

>>51498517
The styling is more similar to that of the Stormbird model... might be fair to call it a Sokar-pattern Thunderhawk.

But it could just be a photoshop of the Stormbird image.

>>51498565
It's a trap.

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>>51498726

The LE Magnus Novella.

First 15 pages and already there's a crowbarred in reference to Edgar Allen Poe's 'The Raven.' McNeil's on form I see.

>>51498535
>>51498582
>>51498801


oooooh shit that's amazing!

the Transporter has gone missing from the ForgeWorld website. . .

>>51498614
I wasn't in the last one; You're lucky you got a thread at all

>>51498966
>McNeil
Good luck.

>>51498565
Ive beeb watching these on Ebay, considered picking myself up one.

Sadly I am building blackshields, no room for the 1K sons anymore.

>>51499151
>I wasn't in the last one
Yeah, I can see
> You're lucky you got a thread at all
My saviour.

>>51498966
The Wrath of Magnus?

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And here they are!!!

>>51499285
That's nice. What are they?

Turns out the Terran Iron Warriors were from Scotland. Forrix mentioned that he was born in a town on the slopes of this mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buachaille_Etive_M%C3%B2r

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>>51499316
Black Shields. I'm going for an aged ill kept force look.

I have another twenty assembled that need to be primed and basecoated.

Can you tell that the value of this bronze is different from warlock bronze?

The top dollop has FIFTEEN drops of Magnus the Red tint in it. I had though that the purple being a complimentary color and all would be a smudge more noticeable.

>>51499360

In the grim darkness of the future, there is only Scotsmen?

>>51499360
Das false tho

Dg are scot

Iw are gun tribes of sekamrek

Ih are teh texans

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>>51499316
It really triggers my autism, I feel like the value of the rightmost pot (with Magnus the Red tint) is muddled and or muted. The sheen is different. But for the life of me I can't quite discern if the VALUE has changed at all.

>Autism intensifies

>>51499434

The difference is so negligible even Data wouldn't find it remarkable.

>>51499454
Thats it anon. Now you have done it

>>51499423
Here I assumed two thirds of every planet in the Imperium was space Australia.

>>51499483

But GW hates Australia. Despises them with a passion.

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>>51499434
Relax, Anon. Take a deep breathe, get some fresh air, and think about how you could be learning Finnish.

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>>51499454
For science.

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>>51499509
Finns are odd creatures.

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>>51499505
It's a shame Dad treats our best brother so cruelly.
>>51499524
Do you know what kalsarikännit means?

>>51499518
M A D M A N

>>51499550
No I don't speak Finnish or English.

>>51498503

Not sure if this is the first time, but it's interesting to see what I'm guessing is a ship hanger.

>>51499568
It means Drinking by yourself at your house in your underwear with no intention of going out. That's an actual term.

>>51499430
After the Unification, later in the Great Crusade, I think recruitment became less local.

>>51499434
I can see it too, but only if I see them next to each other and stare really hard. It's not going to matter.

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>>51499555

It looks promising.

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Did someone say Retribution?

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>>51499626

My cock is harder than steel.

Am most please. Will be ordering more. Halp GW support, need more tint HALP.

>>51499380
>Can you tell that the value of this bronze is different from warlock bronze?
Barely, and only because your comment biased me.
>>51499518
>>51499636
AAAAAAH

>>51499524
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>>51499607
I assume it's some sort of social-induced shyness?
I mean, I think of myself as shy, but it seems I'd look like a damn party monster in Finland.

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>>51499829
It's a cultural thing plus they have a depressing history. I don't see how they have sex without being drunk or asexual reproduction but I'm going to go with fragmentation. I don't think they have FLGS in Finland either.

>>51499991
That's just scary and sad, anon.
Except the pet poisoner one. I could understand that one, which doesn't mean I agree with him.

I don't think that one could happen to me because I'm paranoid and would expect it. Not to mention I have no pets.

Does warhammer has pets besides dogs and cats?

>>51500102
Finnish autism is only matched by Germanic autism. Never nationalize your autism.
>I don't think that one could happen to me because I'm paranoid and would expect it. Not to mention I have no pets.
>paranoid and would expect it
Wow mang. That's some DA/NL/IW level of paranoia.
>Does warhammer has pets besides dogs and cats
Jago had his crows.

>>51500102
...how is the pet one the only one you can understand?

>>51500102
Eldar psychic cats. The Imperium has them as well.

>>51500193
Our neighbour had a fuckton of cats. He didn't sterilizer his cat and she had several litters, or whatever a kitten batch is called.
So cats were everywhere, and they'd sneak into the garage (open, protected by a metal gate) and pee nearby. Ugly smell.

So mother placed a poisoned sausage inside the garage, as such, not in the freeway but rather inside our property.

The cat sneak in, ate it, and died outside of it.

It was like one of those ANCAP gags...but it worked. Cats didn't sneak into our garage anymore, and we were piss-free.

>>51500192
>That's some DA/NL/IW level of paranoia.
Naaaaah. That's me on a regular day.
On a tense day I fucking look at all sides at once. You see, I played team fortress 2, and my paranoia meant spies would never backstab me, unless I was busy killing his team.
I would spycheck with a rocket launcher.

Also, yeah I like the IW.

>>51500313
Al, it sounds like you and I have the same idea when it comes to TF2.

>>51500349
WTF how do you know it's me!
And yeah, hate them spies.
But mostly because I could never play as a decent spy, even though I had that MGS-Snake's hair hat.

Srsly, no spy can fool me.

>>51500313
Why would you leave a garage open?

But yeah, not sterilising a cat that goes outside is being a poor owner.

At least the IW have actual cause to be paranoid, both genetically and from their angry dad - speaking of, has anyone used a Beep Boop as a Preator bodyguard?

>>51499518
>>51499636

ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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>>51500379
>WTF how do you know it's me!
Psychic powers as I have said before.
>But mostly because I could never play as a decent spy, even though I had that MGS-Snake's hair hat.
I'm somewhat mediocre at it but I'm not that bad.

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>>51500490
But I wanted to be gud, nor merely not-bad.
>tfw highest point score I got was with the engie and it was a fucking boring game.
>>51500433
No, I'm telling you it's an iron gate. Like, metal bars and stuff. Cats simply went through it.

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>>51500535
Same here. The best class I can pull off is Heavy on MvM. Get me a Brass Beast and crush those beep boops.

>>51500313
Try having a neighbour that doesn't sterilze her cat, letting it have a litter each year whilst having a dog yourself. I spend half a year battling fleas to keep them from eating my dog alive.

And then there's also the issue of the dog, despite being extremely friendly to people and other dogs, instantly goes into lethalit hunt and kill mode the instant he sees or smells an animal smaller than himself. Not in an agressive way, he just goes after it and when succesfully pouncing on the animal in question (duck, rabbit, rat, mouse, cat, you name it) just one bite to the neck and boom, instakill. Never managed to stop my dog from doing that, but thankfully as he got older he got too slow to catch most fleeing animals. However, you can guess what happend one time when the kittens were in my garden again and one didn't get away fast enough...

>>51500585
That sounds great.
Sadly dogs smell bad, not to mention their peeing and pooping habits.
And cats have toxoplasmosis, which I think it's an incurable disease that makes you effeminated or something like that, I don't remember.
Too bad, cats look nice.

To keep animals and bugs away from your property including scorpions :^) use apple vinegar. Their heightened senses/stupid lung-lacking bodies make vinegar unbearable to them.


White Scars do falconry. Does any legion besides them and the Wolves keeps animals as pets/companions/hunting aids?

Like Sevatar's crows, I suppose? It's strange, I thought it would be the Raven Guard the one with crows.

>>51500683
Thousand Sons kinda had warp pets when you think about it.

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>>51500734
The probably have mindoplasmosis warpii. A scary thought. Literally.

Did Aspect Warriors exist in 30k?

I have a 1,000 pt Zone Mortalis game (this dude is bringing his custom board and it is sweeeeeet) this weekend but I don't want to bring them if it's not fluffy

>>51501037
Yes. Craftworlds were getting the fuck out before the Fall actually happend, and the Phoenix Lords were trained during the last part of it. And there are multiple examples of Aspect warriors showing up during the HH in BL novels

>>51501037
Maybe. In 30k, the Eldar had just recently fallen, and so it is a possibility, unless they were a later thing?

Were Aspect Warri

>>51499434
>Adding pigment to a base paint

Why would you do that?

>>51501119
>>51501121

Cool. Thoughts on this list then?

HQ
>Spiritseer
Troops
>10 Dire Avengers
>10 Dire Avengers
>10 Dire Avengers
Elites
>5 Fire Dragons
>5 Fire Dragons
Fast Attack
>8 Swooping Hawks, 1 Exarch
>8 Swooping Hawks, 1 Exarch

As long as I don't face a Leviathan I'm pretty cool. Should I maybe give the Hawk Exarchs the special AP3 guns and drop a guy?

I don't think this is too overpowered considering what all is available, but either way thanks.

>>51501037
They were. I'd recommend trying corsairs howrver. They seem to fit into 30k a bit better. Rules wise.

Is it just me or do the traitor Primarchs mental conditions get really overlooked.

>Konrad Curze had visions of the Imperium falling to ruin since he first met the Emperor

>Perturabo constantly saw the Eye of Terror watching him since he was still young

I feel like when talking about these two Primarchs, these facts are mostly glossed over.

How should I equip my NL tarts? Since they can sweep and run, I want them to be my assaulty shock troops, but I'm not sure if I should go ham on the Claws or add in a fist. Also, not sure what heavy weapon they'd want. They'll be deep striking, most likely if it matters.

>>51501823
volkite and claws, use the talent for murder rule to blender sweep larger units.

>>51501775
>are mostly glossed over.

Not really, they are so ingrained in their personas that you think they're not seen but they are their defining characteristics. Perturarbo is paranoid because the eye is constantly looking at him, therefore he sees any small slight as a complete offense and his grim tasks as being shoved into the dirt as others gain glory which in turn makes him force his legion to work at max efficiency at the cost of its humanity. Curze is always seeing people dying in gruesome ways and visions of dark futures to come and the only thing he knows is murder; Hungry? Murder, Justice? Murder, Dreams? Murder, His legion? Murder, Got a problem? Fucking murder, he's crippled because all his tools are lighting claws and he has all these problems that he cant fix with them and no one is willing to listen so he keeps being who he is, an insane murderer that just keeps going crazier.

>>51501847

TFM on the bulk was definitely the idea, yea. So they all get Volkite or do I run some double claw?

>>51501775
Iirc, Pert actually tried to speak with Ferrus about it, wondering if his own eyes could see it as well. Ferrus gave an uninterested grunt and left. Pert never spoke of it again.

>>51501931
So Curze is like that one guy chanting and raving about the end of the world, except he was right all along, yet hoped he would never be right in the first place?

>>51501931
>Perturarbo is paranoid because the eye is constantly looking at him
Naaah. He just trusts no one, mainly because he barely trusts himself.

I do wonder about Curze's visions.
Imagine if he saw things as they were going to be.
If he saw Horus as a void.
If he saw the Emperor as a rotten skeleton.

Why the fuck does BoP only come with a single Volkite Charger?

>>51502480
Because GW wanted to piss you off, and just you in particular

>>51502480

Reheating leftovers and rations. Melta's overcook them and flamers char the outside and leave them tasting like hydrocarbons (which to guardsmen usually tastes better than the rations.)

>>51498503
looks like a stormbird to me.

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>>51502560
Someone posted this closer pic in the previous thread. It's definitely a Thunder Hawk, but there's a few slight differences like the nose shape and fin on the back that are giving people the impression that it's a new design of Thunder Hawk

>>51499360
McNeil loves the IW with all his pee-pee, this isn't too surprising, and not the first time.
No IW, but The Last Church is set on the Isle of Skye, in Scotland.

>>51502511
So what am I to do for Volkite on my termies?

>>51502658
Looks like a CAD design pasta'd into the picture... Maybe a WIP ? A new Thunderhawk kit wouldn't be bad, the current one aged rather poorly

>>51502699
gee, i dunno
maybe buy a set of volkite chargers from fw

>>51502699
>Order volkites from FW
>Recast that one volkite
>Trade bits with others for it
>Buy as many BoP as you need volkites

Pick one to your liking

>>51502699
Are you trying to make Lernean or something? If so, have fun. That's a ton of cash money to kit out five guys even if you don't get the Cataphractii AL shoulder guards.

>>51502731

They're for a NL Tartaros murder squad. Catas aren't sneaky enough. They get the heavy shit.

>>51502706
People are praying for it to be a plastic kit, but I doubt GW themselves would go that far. It'd be nice to get a new THawk regardless, the current one has been out almost as long as FW has been functioning.

>>51502835

I distinctly recall people saying the same thing about a Plastic Baneblade back in the day, and look where we are now.

>>51502835
LOL, sure, like GW would give the CAD of an models still in developmetn to FW just to use it in a picture.

People really are desperate for that plastic thunderhawk. Would be nice if it happend, but before I am assembling one personally I won't believe any rumours or hints about it.

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Any news of Tyrant Seige terminator minis or upgrade kits?

>>51503107
no

>>51503107
Never, why ask?

>>51501037
This site has trained me to think you were going to complain about an OP board some guy kept bringing, and how to list tailor to defeat it...

I need more sleep...

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Chymarie Blackshields, attempt 2. Hopefully less autism.

Should I cut the headspike down? Up close it looks weird but at a distance I think its actually better. Not sure though.

Shoulder pads y/n?

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>>51503514
Is the arm pose decent?

>>51503514

That's a Gal Vorbak.

>>51503525
I thought about getting Gal Vorbak for this but >$61 per 5

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>>51503514
At this point I believe you're just doing this and still posting here to troll.

>>51503559
I wouldn't spend money on a troll when it's so easy to do it for free.

>>51503514
It's a nice model, but to echo some of the gripes from last thread: "this isn't really very 30k."

In 40k as Black Dragons these would be fine, but the chapter simply doesn't exist at this point.

>>51503590

Even in 40k, the Legs are pretty clearly a hint that this is either a Possessed marine, or a mutation worse then the Raven Guard Raptors.

>>51501936
volkite/claw loses you 1A, but gives you effective shooting for drop turn that has the capability to inflict severe casualties and cause more wounds than the combi-bolters.

>>51503590
Is "Your Dudes" not allowed anymore? They aren't the Black Dragons, they're just a group who had similar mutations done to them, whose geneseed may have survived and become the BDs later on, or maybe not.

At this point the Dragons were mostly just inspiration for it, a footnote at the end of the story for these guys.

See >>51498001 if you care to see my explanation.

>>51503610
Agreed, but the Bad Dragons have a lot of lore regarding wolfen-style mutated dudes. It wouldn't trigger me quite as much in 40k.

>>51503629

No-one would preserve the geneseed of anything that looked like >>51503514

They would burn it on sight, and be right to do so. A Black Dragon looks almost completely normal but for the spurs of bone. So you can bullshit that it's just a devilation of the geneseed. That looks like something that is an outright warping not just of the geneseed, but of the entire Marine's base genetic structure as well. The sort of thing that usually only happens to a Possessed Marine, or a Marine struck by a really nasty Xeno mutation. No-one sane would look at that and go 'yep, we should make more', unless it's Fabulous Bill.

As a traitor project to make supermarines, I'd buy it. As a loyalist project, no chance in hell.

>>51503629
I don't know if anybody told you, but generally in 30k there's less freedom when it comes to doing your own version of marines. It is the historical version of 40k for a reason.

If you wanna go wild on 'Your Dudes', well 40k is designed around that. But your bruteforcing of this matter is like the perfect move to trigger as many 30k fans as possible. You might as well start playing a WW II historical wargame and make up your own regiment of traitor americans or something.

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>>51503514
>>51503523
Not 30k, stop posting, fuck off back to 40k cesspool please, using Yiff parts just makes you stand out as a sad cunt.

>>51503659
>No-one would preserve the geneseed

But they did. Or at least, the Black Dragons were not purged immediately when Wulfen-style mutations + Death Company attitudes developed.

>A traitor project to make supermarines

Well, that's the idea. Traitor Heretek gets desperate Salamander to hand over some geneseed and tries to pull a fast one. His creations didn't like him enough/saw through his bullshit and killed him.

>>51503683
Then what's the point of including Blackshield rules? Isn't this exactly what the Chymarie option is for?

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>>51503632
>Bad Dragons
Don't you mean Black Dragons :^)
>>51503659
>A Black Dragon looks almost completely normal but for the spurs of bone.
This. So maybe stop pretending they're BDs to begin with?

Anons, why can't he use monstrous-looking Chymeriae? T5 Custodes look like impossibly big normal men, but that's due to the Emperor's hand.
Chymeriae are pretty much a failed experiment.

Corax' mutated birb-men would behave like Chymeriae.

You know the one thing that triggers me about anon's BD project? That he wants to use hairy calves for a reptile-named army. That's pretty much it.

BD anon, you gotta paint them the alternate Salamander colour. You know, the salamander-looking one.

>>51503611

But at the same time, 5 termies with dual claws that can sweep could just wipe the unit, while the shooting could potentially make me miss combat.

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>40k is getting sigmar'd
>the old system is living on in FW's curation for exclusive use for Horus Heresy

Fucking stellar

>>51503759

What has /40k/ been smoking this time?

>>51503740
Bright yellow and black? Lol. Maybe I will for the Praetor.

As for fur, I'm gonna shave down/greenstuff over/turn into bone growths the egregious parts and then try to paint the flatter areas as lizard scales.

>>51503759
Depends on which of the dozens of rumours popping up about the next edition you choose to believe. There's also talk that 8th edition is removing the rules bloat and moving superheavies back to Apocalypse, or that it will be two different systems were one is tournament focussed and one version for dumb people, anything really.

>>51503769
I suppose that would convey the -1Init Chymeriae have.
Kinda sound like double-Salamanders if you ask me.

Say, the Emperor never got to know Corax and Vulkan had survived the heresy, did He?
Sadness...

>>51503728
>Then what's the point of including Blackshield rules?

Because FW wouldn't mind making some more money of those who want to play their 40k army in 30k.

Most, if not all, people start 30k to collect, paint and play their favorite legion and primarch waifu.

>>51503793
He could probably sense them psychically. Also, according to the "AGONIZINGLY ALONE" passage, he still watches the Imperium from the Warp, intervening where he can.

>>51503793

He knew about Vulkan. Kyme's next book is Old Earth. Vulkan goes to Terra and them some other shit happens.

Given all the hints, it seems Vulkan will go into the Webway and hold the gate there or something.

>>51503818
>kyme

>>51503810
I bet you're fun at parties.

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>>51503629
the issue we have with it is your explanation doesn't make fucking sense. "Your Dudes" is a strong tradition and has a place, but when working with firmly established canon points it's generally regarded as the right thing to make sure that it is at least consistent (unless you wish to be called the second coming of CS Goto)

lets break down where things go to shit.

heretek is fine, salamanders being desperate is actually pretty ok too, this can be made slightly easier by using a garrison world reasonably far away from nocturne that is forced to self-recruit (as legion garrisons of sufficient size were allowed and equipped to do)

>Salamanders inform a nearby Auxilia commander of what has happened because they don't have the numbers to pursue
>auxilia find the now-blackshield Astartes
>rather than fighting back, the blackshield commander goes alone and unarmed to meet Lord Marshall

this is where things go wrong. No marine legion or garrison would breathe a word of that shit anywhere near a regular human.

alternate suggestion in keeping with established fluff: Fabulous Bill uses intermediary to get heretek to conduct experiments, provides a template for improvements (see deliverance lost ending) everything goes wrong as is expected. Garrison COmmander is defacto legion command because of failures in communication during the ruinstorm, and cannot bring himself to have them all executed. Determines the best course of action with thier low numbers is to equip them to fight as a low-strength assault-doctrine company, but orders that they must conceal legion ties as condition for their reprieve.

now it fits in setting, has the appropriate connections to fabulous bill, and it can be argued the heretek outpost is still intact for later rediscovery at <insert map pin here>

>>51503818
But according to MoM the webwaygate beneath the Imperial Palace is now just a stone wall and the Imperial webway part completely collapsed.

>>51503818
I hate the Aeldari so fucking much.
Why can't that dying race die already...
>Barbaran Farmer Almanaque when
>>51503817
I suppose he suspected it when He couldn't summon Vulkan's stand.
And I was forgetting when He gave Corax the Primarch data.

>>51503822
At least I'm not the type of guy who insists on bringing his own booze that nobody else likes :^)

>>51503831

I'm just repeating what's been reported from all the talks with Kyme. Vulkan's been set up as 'The Gatekeeper', and is somehow important to the Webway project.

It's going to be shit, because Kyme's a shit author, but there you go.

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>>51503830
>this is where things go wrong. No marine legion or garrison would breathe a word of that shit anywhere near a regular human.
Kek.
You forget this is the universe where Alpharius successfully get to use One of Many on everyone except for soome of his brothers, and where good heretek Decima Invictus rolls along with cyber-psychic-zombie Morturg.

As long as the blackshield is properly disguised and the SA is oathboud (Saturnine Rams) or a mere equivalent (NL served with Oxitania's king-turned-Rogue Trader) then it could work.

How would you model a Chymeriae?

>>51503830
Auxilia thing was just so I had some explanation for them winding up next to my planned SA army.

Maybe Legion garrison commander has fought alongside this guy and they've saved each other's lives, etc., so he may be the only one on-planet he'd actually trust with this? Or the SA meet the blackshields in a totally separate incident, not sure.

Including Fabius at once makes sense for the Cursed Founding but also seems even more Mary Sue. Having their Big Bad(tm) be a well-known and at-large character seems lame.

>>51503951
Honestly the SA thing doesn't necessarily need to be so clear, as there are many circumstances that would make an auxilia army welcome the help of a group of marines, even if they looked like monsters.

I don't think fabulous bill makes them mary sue really, the list of people he's dicked with and dicked over in the heresy alone makes him third in line behind erebus and horus for "Best troll M31" so adding one more to the list doesn't exactly make them sues.

>>51504009

Horus is 4th place there. Erebus and Kor are first and second, Bill is third. Lucius is 5th.

>>51501446
You're in ZM, you got room to use those wings?

I feel bad for whoever meets the dragons, but you could well face the marine version of them, so it's not like it's bullshit.

Amusing that you might have more bodies on the field than the marines you might be facing

>>51499671
Well it is his Founding Legion

>>51503107
Tyrants will be a full kit, Fulmentari an upgrade set.
Source is the last weekender/open day, but it is flawed as the quote was about each legion getting at least one full specific unit, which doesn't apply to the Imperial Fists.

>>51503740
This is wrong though, they have creepy beasty men too. I believe it's in the recent Deldar dex that they mention kidnapping a whole bunch of giant mutated lizard dudes from the Bad Dragons.

>>51498565
So which number did you get?

>>51504631

0430

>>51503107
They were done one or two years ago, according to rumors. And then FW thought they were not hood enough, and no more news came about them

So would anyone have issue with the use of Workshop possessed as reavers with chair axes. I'll be honest I just want an excuse to use the models as I already have the reavers otherwise.

>>51504640
Bah, I got 511. I wanted to be in the first half :(

>>51504822
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT?

holy shit I never knew there was a level of elitism beyond being in the numbered limited edition...being in the first half of the numbered limited edition.

I am alone in a hobby full of faggots.

>>51504840
>he thinks he isn't a faggot

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Should I wash my Angron/Deathshroud metallic marine entirely with Nuln Oil?

>>51504822

My copy of Guilliman is 2459, and my copy of Russ is 0305.

>>51504864
>my Angron/Deathshroud metallic marine
We'd have to see pictures for that to make any sense

>>51504794
Not really, but they look ugly and cartoonish.

>>51504880
Angron Red mixed with Deathshroud Black

>>51504865
I have a 001 Limited Edition Eldar Codex either 6th or 7th edition .pdf scan.

>>51504918
We'd have to see pictures for us to be able to tell you if it needs Nuln Oil or not*

I have read in the faq on what they have done to scout and infiltrate. Have GW made the Vigilator obsolete?

>>51504886
I dig them. Their warped craziness amuses me.

>>51500433
Encountered one on Sunday. He tanked most wounds on the praetor while the beep boop fucked my marines. Ended up killing the praetor in a challenge with my Dark Martyr, but then he died to the beep boop. Bad time all around.

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>>51505188
Huh, I would have thought it'd be the other way around.

Guess Pert didn't really care for that Praetor if his programmed "bodyguard" didn't tank any hits for him.

Sounds like it performed fairly well though

>>51504918
Please don't. Use an oil or enamel wash, or stick to only nuln in the recesses only.

Standard washes applied all over metallics are awful.

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>>51503107
Litteraly slap a rocket launcher from Puppetswar on plastic Cataphractii, done.
IW aren't ones to be into bling and special snowflakes anyway.
Same for Havocs they're just dudes that got very good at shooting their big gun.
I'm a Bitter Boy through and through but no reason for them to have a special kit for now.

Anyone know of any good viking shields for woofs.

>>51504470
That is true. Death of Antagonis (solid novel, recommend it) states they have marines tht became too mutated, and HUGE, but they keep those caged, unless they just let them go fuck shit up where caution is no longer an issue.

So after looking at the argument earlier in the thread, I'm wondering how"Your Dudes" is meant to work with Legions. You can't really go much further than these are"X legion", they're Loyalist or Traitor and "they like doing X".

With my Mechanicum, and their Milita and Cults allies, at least I can make my own organisation up, and toss in whatever units and conversion I think looks nice, but the Marines can't really do much other than add trinkets to their armour from what I see here.

>>51505440
>Standard washes applied all over metallics are awful.
Well shit that's what I do.

>>51501446
Fluffwise you may want to proxy the Spiritseer as a Warlock, since the Infinity Circuits and all their related goods were supposedly invented/discovered after the heresy.

Then again BL had Wraith constructs running around in HH, so it's whatever you choose.

>>51505616
Not sure who makes it, but I remember "Celtic Shields" by some bits company seeming appropriate.

That's like, what, 1/3 of a full tip?

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>>51503514
Tone it down by heaps! It needs to be subtle bone protrusions.

I did this Deathwatch Black Dragon ages ago, use it as a guide.

>>51505602
That looks dope.

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What are some ideas for bolters other than black casing, and steel parts? What suits what legion?

I know white casing suits AL, RG, and IH. And I've seen Red casing on DA and NLs before.

>>51505924
Anon, thoses fucking scales

please, PLEASE tell me how to do them, i am going mad trying to make them look good

>>51503514
>>51503523
If nothing else, this gives me some references on how Wulfen bits scale with Marine bits.

>>51505924
I go for the classic red caseing, and red chainsword cover
Shit looks rad as hell

>>51505924
White for TS is the studio paint scheme.

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>>51505968
1. First paint the shoulder medium green or medium blue (depends if you want it to match or contrast). I used kabalite green.
2. Do a cross hatch effect with black thinned down paint (use a pencil to get it even). Or use a really dark blue like incubi darkness.
3. Do the bottom V of each diamond with moot green. Allow a tiny bit of the black to show so it looks like their is shadow under the scale. Put a tiny dot of aver land sunset on the tip of the bottom V.
4. Wash it with watered down blue ink or glaze. I wiped the wash at the top away so the wash was dark at the bottom.
5. optional -use some gloss varnish on it afterward.

>>51506082
Thanks man, that really help and clear. I really appreciate that
I take it the black line have to be super thin then?

>>51505924
How did you do the AL armour?
The usual Leadbelcher->Guilliman Blue Glaze?

>>51506157
>AL
>Guilliman Blue
How ironic.

>>51505630
It's a bit tricky, but finding an unexplored area that is nevertheless hinted at in the lore is probably the best bet. If the naysayers come at you, you can always post the forgeworld quote that validates your army, for all the good it will do.

I think the models in this particular argument have elicited so much anger because of their association with the Black Dragons, a group explicitly not from the 30k timeline. No matter how much OP tries to assert that they are not BDs, the connection has been made.

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>>51506230
Yeah, I can see how that'd make sense. I guess it's more historical, too, so "standard" Legion armies have a lot more depth to them than "generic Ultramarines/Dark Angels successor chapter number 50,000".

If I ever wanted to do Marines I'd probably have them as DarkMech recreations of that weird zombie incident on Xana II, lots of cybernetics and damaged armour in the Xana colours. Would probably use Blackshield rules, but that's because I like my special snowflake armies.

>>51506355
I've always thought Xana was a great excuse for Hellfiends and the like in 30k, not heard about zombie marine incident though...

>>51505880
I probably will do something like that for tacticals/non-mutated vets.

How'd you make that head spike?

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>>51505602
I'm going for the anvil missile launchers myself

>>51499518
rip

Is playing without a RoW viable? None of them really stick out at because they all feel so limited.

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>>51506157
Negative, I used a blue metallic permanent pen. Problem is the blue can rub away and become a super bright silver, so it wouldn't work for people who game and handle their models a lot.
>>51506097
I thinned mine down heaps with medium and did it really really slowly. Like it took me a good 5 minutes to make those dozen lines. You could try a 0.01mm fine liner but they don't work well on curved surfaces, they kind of slip.

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What are you guys working on? Here's a marine that made someone sperge the last time pretty much done apart from the base.

>>51506730
>MkVI Death Guard
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
nice paint job

>>51506683
I prefer the Puppetswar because it's smaller and fits between the shoulder pads. Never really like bigass launchers that were half as big as the model itself.

>>51506730
Bootyful.

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>>51506730
I really love it, I kept your picture of it.

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Hmmm.

>>51506804
lel Atia, who is a man pretending to be a woman.

>>51506834
kek

>>51506766
This is what I meant. :^)
>>51506793
>>51506800
Cheers.

what legion is the best at killing degenerates?

>>51506883
ultramarines, I guess?

That's why they still have Guilliman's half-alive body post-heresy, despite daemon fulgrim being the one who attacked.

>>51506883

Pre chaos word bearers

>>51506866
>>51506834
How else does he/she/it gather enough attention to be 'le ebin rumour queen xdxd of 40k'

>>51506883
You'd have to look at psycho-rigid Legions.

So pre-Heresy WB, IH, DA, that sort of jazz.

>>51506804
>Legio Mortis
>psyker titans
Wat.

>>51506964
>You'd have to look at psycho-rigid Legions.
wut

>>51507033
He means the retard Legions.

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>>51506769
>doesn't want big meaty batteries

Bet you like flat chested lolis as well, perv.

Honestly, I think the Puppets War one looks too much like a single barrage thing, like the Leviathan phosphex dispenser. If torso width is your maximum, there's always the one from Chapterhouse (pic related).

>>51507052
DA, EC, IW, WS, SW, IF, NL, BA, IH, WE, U, DG, TS, SoH, WB, S, RG and AL?

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>>51506998
>Wat.

Psi-titans.

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>>51498498
I know I'm a bit late to the party for this but I just finished Horus Rising. And it was pretty good.

FUCK THAT DICK HOLE EREBUS

>>51507102
yeah... those ones and the 2nd and 11th. they are so retarded they dies and were never talked about again

>>51507105
Yeah, but Legio Mortis? What are they doing on Prospero, and why are they psykers now?

>>51507033
Is that not something you say in English?

My bad. I basically meant those that are extremely rigid, and an ass tighter than a nun's, with a goddamn log lodged in it.

The SW would be the extreme opposite for example, as they are extremely outwards, extrovert people but also "tolerant" in their own way.

>>51507190
What makes you think he's saying Mortis is psychic, instead of the third, yet unnamed legion?

>>51507112
The impressive thing is, as you read more books and get more perspectives on things (including amongst the word bearers) and start to gain sympathy for other characters and their motivations, Erebus still always comes across as a dickhead.

>>51507192
>but also "tolerant" in their own way.
you mean like how they are always trying to kill everybody who isnt a space wolf?

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>>51507078
The thing is, I see those 3 missiles and I think "yeah, those are krak missiles"
A big battery of missiles looks like frag missiles to me which is not what I want.

And don't you dare question my love for big chests anon.

>>51507210
>Legio Mortis, Legio Astorum and another legion of psyker titans
The word Another helps.

>>51507231
And the knowledge that Mortis is not about psychic titans and 3 whole legions of just psychic titans is a bit much, should inform you that "another legion" is separate from the two that were already mentioned. Badly written, but one should be able to discern from the context what was being said. Or not, and get confused.

>>51498966
What reference?

>>51507215
Well then I suggest you model them with servitors reloading those missiles after every 3 shots, because right now it looks like they get one and a half shooting phases before running out of ammo. Big battery of missiles doesn't mean "I'm gonna fire all of these in one go" it means "I can keep firing for the entire war."

And leave your mom alone.

>>51507212
Poor Gal Vorbak.

>>51506628
Yeah, when I was originally planning my Xana army it was going to have a Hellblade as my Lightning Fighter, but I decided to go more mad science. Working out the exact details now, since I have a week off soon, might actually be able to start work soon on that. Depends how long it takes me to magnetise my Knight.

The Zombie incident was during the Incursion in bk 6, while the Loyalists attacked and the Sons of Horus tried to agree to an alliance, all the presents they'd brought, dead Loyalists and Mechanicum bots from the Istvaan battles picked their dead selves off the floor and attacked the Xanatite forge-fanes. Took way more damage than usual, shouldn't be functional, all the usual zombie jazz.
Knights of House Malinax and the Taghmata Xana helped put them down, but it gave Scoria the chance to escape, and I suspect quite a lot of those wound up as his experiments or in Taghmata Scoria brass and red.

>>51507308
Eeeeh in my mind a krak missile fired by the most elite warriors of the IW is basically a one shot one kill on vehicles. Infantry is dealt with combi bolters. That means a basic squad can destroy 15 vehicles from a far before needing to reload.

It would be weird to call her my mom considering the stuff we do.

>>51507409
Well then I expect you to only fire 15 missiles during the entire game.

Seekers with combi-plas/melta in dreadclaw pod, or justaerin with combis and some chainfists?

Roguhly the same points-wise.

>>51507445
If you let them count as a delete vehicle button like I imagine them to be, fair enough.

>>51507462
I'm not obligated to adhere to your dreams. You wanted to models your CML as 3 dinky missiles and a combi-bolter that shoots 3" blasts because it made sense to you.

>>51507368
Ah, cool. Yeah I can see that getting some resistance, but it's a fantastic modelling opportunity! ;)

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>>51507308
>>51507409
>>51507445
>>51507462
>>51507493
>you didn't model ammo pouches on your tactical marines, so now they've done their fury of the legion attack they can't shoot again for the rest of the game
>oh, and those assault marines that just charged are striking at initiative 1, because you didn't model them with frag grenades

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Hello, yes this is Death Guard.

>>51507527
Fuuuuuuuuuuck!
Need to steaaaaaaaal!

>>51507520
>there are people who don't give their soldiers everything they need on their person
What kind of heartless commander are you? It's like you want them to mutiny and roll poorly.

>>51507520
>this Rhino with a hunter-killer missile is my whirlwind

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>>51507527

>>51507585
>these plastic cups are drop pods, while THIS plastic cup is a kharybdis

>>51507453
Justaerins have more staying power and S9 chain fists on the charge. Veterans with combi would probably be more cost effective than seekers in that regard also

>>51507527
That head from Asmodai/Interrogator Chaplain ?

Looks cool - you don't see all that many robes in 30k

>>51507502
Yeah, would probably be fun, but I can't ally them to my Mechanicum at all well thanks to all the Blackshield restrictions on that, unless I made so many they'd be my primary detatchment and I could fill the allies with robots that don't score anyway.

Currently sorting my other mad science project out, the insane clone hordes of Cult Horde Tainted Flesh Levy blobs as Taghmata allies. They'll be much better at the job than the Adsecularis are.

Also my Biologis Castellax, and the Malinax Knight, and a billion other things. Probably never going to get done.

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>>51507368
Zombiellax

>>51507661
Just think of it as collecting an extensive bit-box. One day, you might cherish that you never painted those dudes!

>>51507749
What's the implied deal with the Xan-bies? Possession?

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>>51507823

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Is there an Official™ /hhg/ power ranking of all the 30k armies? There should be.

>>51507924
Please no. That sort of thing shits up threads something horrible.

>>51507924
I'll give you one

>Alpha Legion
.
.
.
>everybody else

>>51507823
What, the Sons of Horus terms of alliance? Fairly normal"help us and you get presents once the Emperor's dead, I think.
Also "can we have some cool Ordinatii please, we brought you all these dead Loyalist toys."

After the Heresy Scoria warped the planet into the Eye of Terror and they became the first DarkMech Hellforge, but before then they were just an unusually powerful, really shady Forge World.

>>51507633
>Interrogator Chaplain
Ye

>>51507924
Encouraging WAAC in an otherwise mostly WAAC free game.

Please don't do this. :(

>>51507527
Neat! How does it scale to a normal marine and a terminator?

>>51507799
Nah, haven't actually bought stuff for them. Poorfag, so when I want to do an army I plan extensively. Good thing too, or I'd have a huge backlog, I paint slow. Currently a Kataphron unit, a Sicarian unit, some Kastelans and a Knight, then I get my mad science on.

>>51507924

Uh,

>1 questoris knight army
>2 (tie) well played AL or ironfire IW
>3 FW armor spammed anything
>4 anything else

>>51507948
Well, duh. They're the legion Bligh plays, of course they get the best rules.

What is "ironfire"?

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>>51507906
Kek, Argel Tal
>yYoOuU'rReE sSlLoOwW tToOnNiIgGhHtT, kKhHaArRnN, wWhHaAtT sStTeEaAlLsS yYoOuUrR aAtTtTeEnNtTiIoOnN?
>Not slow...difficult to fight two of you!

>>51507968
Fair enough.

>>51507955
Naw like... why did Zambies happen?
Feel like I missed something really obvious...

>>51508020
Nah, at least their legion specific units are not that great. And they still need a little skill to play.

If you wanna win 90% of your game whilst lacking half a brain play Cybernetica. Monsterous creature spam, weapons that make coversaves useless, invulnerable saves and/or FnP so they hardly need cover themselves, fearless T4 troops for almost no points, and just in case you do take wounds it's easy to make a list that can heal 6 wounds each turn.

>>51508041

Iron warriors unique RoW that allows their artillery to fire very accurately near their own infantry. It's very good because it lets you land your medusa/quad mortar shots wherever you want with some good infantry positioning.

>>51507633
There's a fuckton of tabards and loincloths though

>>51503728
Black dragons weren't purged because a number of them show no mutation at all and that's the geneseed tithe they send for testing
No one knew about them celebrating the bone spurs

>>51498503
The fore-ground craft is a Sokar, but you are right in that the Thunderhawk behind it has quite a different tail assembly from the standard version. Also, the front ramp looks different, but that could be a perspective visual trick.

>>51508090
As far as I know no-one knows. Narration says it's unexplained, but I may well be wrong.

>>51508091

Bit exaggerated, heals 3 wounds tops, Thralls are T3, cover saves are only reduced (although although stuff like Thanatar robots can make them basically useless, true), robots have no FnP and shitty invulns in CC and you can't spam robots too much or you can't score for shit.

It's damn strong, but easy to play around if you don't try to win a straight slugging match in the open. If you kill the scoring and the Cortex Control you are then basically playing against a shitty AI, and can wrap them up easily.

>>51508156
There'll be non or less-mutated dudes in this force too.

But the Inquisition DID know about the bone sharpening and such. The Inquisitor that tried to purge them fell to Chaos and then nobody really gave a shit anymore (especially because a very influential Canoness helped the BDs out).

>>51508090
Because the Iron Hands are shady motherfuckers.

Though the end result was worst for the Loyalists, what with Scoria getting released/loose

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>>51508187
>If you kill the scoring and the Cortex Control you are then basically playing against a shitty AI, and can wrap them up easily.
That's really thematic, I'm glad it works out that way on the table too

>tfw no robut pics

>>51508090
wasn't that basically how the Iron Hands sneaked in? inert/seemingly destroyed elements revived with the keys of hel protocols?

>>51506804
When'd he post that? Because that's all in the preview pages.

Feedback would be most welcome. Currently feel like I need some solid anti-Meq/Teq, going for 3k and currently have 450pts left to spend

Coils of the Hydra

HQ
Praetor 170pts
- Paragon Blade
- Power Dagger
- Digital Lasers
- Iron Halo

Saboteur 95pts
- Combi-melta

Command Squad 410pts
- 5 models
- 4 power weapons
- Power Fist
LR Proteus
- Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
- Explorator Augury Web

ELITES
Veteran Tactical Squad 245pts
- 10 models
- Vexilla
- 2 Heavy Bolters
- Sergeant: Meltabombs, Power weapon
Rhino

TROOPS
Tactical Squad 205pts
- Additional Combat Weapons
- Vexilla
- Sergeant: Meltabombs, Power Weapon
Rhino

Tactical Squad 205pts
- Additional Combat Weapons
- Vexilla
- Sergeant: Meltabombs, Power Weapon
Rhino

Tactical Squad 205pts
- Additional Combat Weapons
- Vexilla
- Sergeant: Meltabombs, Power Weapon
Rhino

FAST ATTACK
Xiphon Interceptor 225pts
- Ground Tracking Auguries
- Chaff Launcher
- Armoured Cockpit

HEAVY SUPPORT
Sicaran Venator 190pts

Sicaran 185pts
- Heavy Bolter Sponsons

LOW
Alpharius 415pts

Wanted to keep it fluffy but functional, would like to throw in some dreadnoughts if I can. Might go Plasma-cannon and fist on them for the anti-teq/meq role. There is also the tempting prospect of taking a Leviathan with Bombard.

>>51508403
Drop pod Leviathan would do you well.

>>51508067
So was this love?

I keep on hearing about how Argel Tal is interesting and Kharn and him were close buddies. I'm not sure I understand his character from the descriptions I'm finding online.

>>51507102
So the Dusk Raiders, Storm Walkers, Luna Wolves, War Hounds, Pale Nomads, Saturnine Rams, Imperial Heralds, and War-Born aren't retarded.

I can get behind that

>>51507924
Here's mine.
>Imperator Titan
>Warlord
>...
>you

What's the best distribution of legion specific heads/chests/shoulders among your tacticals? Do you go 1:1 for everything, avoid chest plates but everyone with shoulders, everything but only on sergeants? Some other way?

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Awooooo!!!

>>51508943
Shoulder on everyone, then alternate heads and chests.

Also, chests only on models that won't be obscured by the bolter.

veterans of course get the full treatment and extra gubbinz.

>>51508677
Space marines don't love. That was typical ADB waifu-ism oushed to the extreme, bringing her back from the dead and saying that now she's a Perpetual, that way ADB can have waifu dream about a pure, innocent pretty lady listening to him forever.

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>>51508962
needs more awuuuus

>>51508943
I typically go with 1 special bit per marine, unless they're vets or command. So legion shoulder pad or helmet or torso, but not all three (actually I only have a few legion specific torsos I'm saving for my command squad)

But I play alpha Legion and I don't think they'd bling out like some of the other legions, the closer to stock power armour the easier to disguise it as needed.

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>>51508962
>>51508991
We're reaching Awoo levels that were never meant to exist.

>>51508677
Honestly read the books, for some reason /hhg/ shits on him but Argel Tal is one of the relatable characters in the Heresy.

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>>51509027
slurp slurp
i mean
awoooooo

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>>51509064
That tongue reminds me of another wolf.

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>>51509091

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>>51509027
It's a good pain.

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>>51508962
>>51508991
>>51509027
>>51509064
>>51509091
>>51509109
>>51509137

this is why horus was hoping the wolves and sons would destroy each other; to spare us the indignity

>>51509151
Oh please. Name more than 5 primarchs that didn't bring aome kind of indignity to he Imperium.

>>51509186
Yours

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>>51509186

>>51509186
Khan
Dorn
Sanguinius
Vulcan
#2
#11

>>51509186
Corvus since he's a loner and not many care for him so he caws away from scoring. Vulkan has the LIVES meme but in reality it hurts him more. Khan is also a loner but speeds away. The Lion might since his kids are also loners but you know the memes. Ferrus. And Sang

>>51509236
Don't forget Ferrus

>>51509236
Dorn is the biggest masochist autismo.

>>51509242
I feel really bad that i remembered the two purged ones but forgot Ferrus....

>>51509256

And he didn't ruin the Imperium so that doesn't have much weight.

>>51503514
Yeah, I'd cut down the spike a little.

I think you'll be fine; Blackshields is the right way to run a slightly heretical army like this one (loyalist, but largely rejected by their side because mutant cooties).

>>51509283
He almost got his legion wiped out because he got baited by another autismo and a result the autismo ascended to daemonhood. Way to go go Dorn!

>>51509316

And after that, Pert fucked off to the Eye and the IW have done NOTHING since.

90% of your legion for 10 MILLENNIA of no IW...

Pretty good trade, I think

>>51504794
>using some of 40k's worst models in place of some of 30k's best

But yeah, it's fine for late-Heresy.

>>51509206
why are his eyes looking in different directions

>>51509242
Ferrus had the indignity of dying like a bitch.

>>51509418
Absolute vigilance.

Which books feature Heresy era Night Lords? Also, are these books considered good by Heresy standards or no?

>>51507970
Can't do a comparison right now but It's pretty much regular terminator height.

>>51509418
Like the two heads of the Imperial eagle, one looking into the past and one into the future.

>>51509601
>"I see what you did and will do there."

>>51509437
He died like a bitch and was killed by a bitch.

>>51509565
I really enjoyed Pharos and its associated prequel and sequel short stories, A Safe and Shadowed Place and The Painted Count.

>>51509585
Oh cool, please keep us updated. I can't wait to see him painted in the future!

>>51509785
Will do. Glad people like it.

>>51509756
No arguments here.

>>51509565
The Value of Fear, The Dark King, The Prince of Crows, and the Long Night are good reading. They're short stories mostly, but good. NL are also in Angels of Caliban, I think. Isn't Curze in Vulkan Lives and Unremembered Empire? (Neither of those two are great.)

A note on Pharos - the second half is a lot better than the first, but it portrays the Night Lords as dumb bad guys that charge into bolter fire and die in droves.

Now I know one of yall's gonna be gettin there hands on Inferno day 1 and we can all leech off of your copy

>>51509349
Meanwhile the Fists got rekt by orks...

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>>51510052
>Isn't Curze in Vulkan Lives and Unremembered Empire? (Neither of those two are great.)
Correct.

>>51510093

Less Fists.
Less Orks.
Win Win.
Again, a good trade.

>>51510073
Saturday right?

>>51510117
>Less Fists.
>Win
You sound like an Ultramarine.

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>>51510052
I liked Unremembered Empire until the Lion shows up and shit gets retarded fast. That's at least half a good book. Although, I listened to the audiobook so maybe my experience was different?

>>51510183
No, it was generally shit.

>>51510232
I dunno. I liked he lack of combat. Whenever BL writes extended combat scenes I always get bored.

>>51510117
Spot on.

>>51510292
I've never seen written combat be exciting ever in any book

>>51510331
It should preferably be short and to the point like in real life. Everything else is like a kid describing a fight from a movie he saw.

>>51510364
problem is that short descriptions make the fight meaningless.

hit hit hit, dodge, hit hit hit, dodge, block is not interesting. Visual mediums can convey a lot of information in a single second, but writing can't do that. Unless it's spilled out, we can't tell if the moves in combat have an effect.

>>51510411
>Guilliman casts Fist
>it is not very effective

Voilá

does anyone have a link for descent of angels in audiobook form? the mega link doesn't have it.

>>51505388
Well, it murdered 4 Gal Vorbak. I think I dropped it to 2 wounds via shooting and Gal Vorbak, but my rolls were just awful all game. No rends, nothing.

>>51510052
Thanks senpai, does anyone have a source for a download?

>>51510511
why though? Did it get blocked? did it just bounce off?

>>51510411
Then the author has a to time the violence better. Reading through page after page of fighting is one of the most boring things ever.

>>51510552
It's Guilliman, what other explanation do you need :^)

>>51510552
Well, if he blocked it would be more like:
>Kor Phaeron used Protect
>Kor Phaeron Protected Itself!
>Guilliman Cast Fist
>Kor Phaeron Protected Itself!
Also, now we need to set the moves each Primarch would know.

>>51510592
>Alpharius casts Confuse
>Dorn succesfully resists Confuse
>It is not very effective

>square bases

>>51508677
>I keep on hearing about how Argel Tal is interesting and Kharn and him were close buddies
Same anon to whom you're responding here.
Some argue friendship is a form of love. As in, making bonds implies a relationship without that necessarily meaning holding free chainaxes and kissing under a tree. You know, no homo.

Khârn was friends with Argel Tal. Both were essentially the highest ranking officers of their legions and their primarchs knew they were friends, even if they only fought together in three compliances. I mean, even Angron was aware.

The WE gladiator pits were akin to the IW's Dodekatheon or the WB's lodges.

And in the same story, Khârn comments how he'll somewhat regret killing Sigismund and Amit on Terra, when the time comes.

>>51510779
>Khârn comments how he'll somewhat regret killing Sigismund and Amit on Terra, when the time comes.
This being the guy who lost hard to Loken right?

>>51510840
He was lost to the nails when fighting Loken, and he only lost hard because he got conveniently impaled on a passing land raider.

>>51509349
No, Pert was the one who retired to become a Daemon Arquitect (Good Ending), but his legion remained active.

What do you think Kalkator was doing after the heresy? Fighting Magneric's Black Templars while being planetary governor.

Hell, I think at some time the IW grew so much Perturabo incited an internicine war to cull the weak.

>>51510592
>Lion El Jonson
Mega Punch
Sucker Punch
Cut
Rest

>>51510840
Skill doesn't make you immune to regret. I bet Khârn, at that time, wished that he could spill blood at Siggy and Amit's side, but no matter previous friendships, he gotta kill them now. Even if Sigs aka The Black Knight would sweep the floor with him.
>>51510874
Also this.
Mid duel, Lotara requests both captains presence on the bridge, since the assault on Calth is about to begin.
Both captains stop, but while Argel is unnaturally still, Khârn notices how his left arm has been twitching for a while, due to the Nails.

>>51510073
DOES it go on the website on the weekender for the public, as I'll have like £80 this weekend so could get it from the store

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>>51510779
>literally anyone
>defeating Sigismund 1v1 irl
wew

>>51511023
>trusting French
>And Pertuabo slapped the commander when he brought a status report and gave him a big boohoo, then pertuabo ordered them to all go out and threw his warhound toy at the wall