YOU ARE BEING RECORDED!

Pulling WoD out of 90s was a mistake.

>>51488464
Urban fantasy don't make sense anymore since we have smartphones, sadly.

Pretty sure Unknown Armies could cover that too.

>>51488480

Why not? It just requires a different set of assumptions and rules. That doesn't mean it ceases to work as a concept.

>>51488411
I thought Vampires had no reflection or some shit, why does a phone make a difference? At worse all you'll see is John Doe get smacked by a floating suit.

>>51488411
>I'm Bleeding on You
Does someone at White Wolf seriously think that a mortal civilian can shame a fucking vampire? Or is this for a humans-only game?
>"You're drinking my blood!"
>"No fucking shit, Sherlock. Now shut up so I can dine in quiet."

>"You're being recorded!"
>"Go ahead, tell the media! They can't un-drink you!"

>>51488487
>Pretty sure Unknown Armies could cover that too.
It would work a hell of a lot better in UA. Sounds like it could be an Adept power. Cameraturgy or Sociomancy, maybe.

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The other mortal-only Merits here are hilarious too.

Over Before It Started lets you confront an exceedingly powerful monster, even some elder god-spirit, and then take a trivial amount of damage from it to end the encounter right then and there.

The Consequences of Violence forces anyone who attacks you to, henceforth, treat all violent actions as Integrity breaking points. No resistance. That person might suffer a mental breakdown whenever they commit any act of violence, forever.

These are not bad for one-dot Merits.

>>51488536
These can affect anyone, not just humans.

>>51488411
>"I'm recording you!!"
>*BLAM*
>Did I look good, chief?

>>51488536
These are supernatural merits and thus literally magic.

>>51488574
the nwod was a mistake

>>51488499
Thats only 1 clan of vampires in oWoD, Lasombra. Obviously they wouldn't give a shit about that ability.

>>51488606
Everything pre-GMC was good to okay.
GMC and afterwards they shat the bed.

>>51488411

And this works fine on supernatural beings? As if I'm reading this right, a camera allows you to kick the shit out of a Mage by holding up your camera and pulling faces as you walk away.

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>>51488639

Yes.

Max out your Presence and Expression (you must be a world-class singer or something), take a specialty in YOU ARE BEING RECORDED, and strap a total of six cameras onto yourself to impose a -5 penalty onto the roll to resist.

You can also use The Push instead of YOU ARE BEING RECORDED, but The Push is less cost-effective.

>>51488574
>Over Before It Started lets you confront an exceedingly powerful monster, even some elder god-spirit, and then take a trivial amount of damage from it to end the encounter right then and there.

>So there I was, Cain standing before me and wanting to slaughter all my allies. I took a single point of lethal damage and it was all over and we just sorta wandered off.

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>>51488480

"Any attempt to record the supernatural fails to record or comes off as just a regular uninteresting recording at worst or a dubiously fake one at best."

>>51488658
I'd have it being Cain laughing his ass off at the pathetic mortal, tugging his cheeks like the guy was a child, and then bitch-slapping him before walking away, still chortling.
I mean, is there any other appropriate response besides, "I'm going to spare you because you have nerve?"

>>51488656
Oh god I just realized this was written by David "Waifus are Racist" Hill. His twitter feed was salty as a base level, with Trump elected it must be brinier than the dead sea.

>>51488411

There really should be a proviso for people who have no reason to give a shit or need to engage you.

The bank robber pulling out a camera and going 'I'm recording the police trying to arrest me' should get himself a nice meeting with mr happy zappy stick after all.

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>>51488658

And if you also have The Consequences of Violence, from henceforth, he now potentially suffers a mental breakdown for attempting any acts of violence.

>>51488676

>Oh, that's fucking adorable mortal.

>>51488606
This isn't nWoD. This is CoD. CoD was a mistake.

>>51488633
Muh nigga.

>>51488656
I know the whole point is forcing the humanity vs the beast thing vampires have going on but this is less forcing and more goading with pointy sticks, cuffs and shackles.

>>51488691
why do these people always have beef with the Amish

>>51488691

>Direct harm to another person.
>depends on the character's worldview.

Oh, this feels very very abusable. After all, you can REALLY say a soulless walking corpse is a person any more?

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>>51488679
>David "Waifus are Racist" Hill
David 'Heroes are the real villains and they're all MRAs' Hill?
The guy that made Beast about being poor oppressed transsexual otherkin rather than monsters?
Christ, how can that man still be employed after Beast; The Retardening.

>>51488691
>10 simple steps that will make you literally Gandhi!
Looks like the kind of blog disclaimer you would find, and ignore, under the reply function of 4chan

>>51488713
That's the whole point of the game, theorically.

>>51488693
>"Look, the mortal thinks he's people! Maybe if you spend your whole life with a stick up your ass shoving cameras in people's faces, your fruitless attempts at preaching self-righteous platitudes will make you feel better about your pathetic, short, and constantly shortening life. At least have a cheeseburger before you die so you can accomplish something. And I don't mean a tofuburger."

>>51488714
Why do Morke and Holden still have a job there? Probably nepotism, the people at OP seem to be from a tight little circle of people from rpg.net and the onyx path forums.

>>51488715
>>10 simple steps that will make you literally Gandhi!
Where does it say that?

>>51488480
We are in 2017 and people still seems to not be able to take UFO or ghost photo that aren't blurry.

>>51488761
It says you can get a supernatural aura of non violence by reading a blog, you tell me.

>>51488775
Weirder things happen in such a magical world.

>>51488775
Is it a Tumblr blog?

What game is this? Who are these Plains? And why they seems an unhappy bunch of whiny fuckers?

>>51488806
No, that's the supernatural aura of at-will gender alteration.

>>51488795
Yep, but their are actually magical. Rhis whole plain reader thing ia ridiculously bad and just serves to force the beast vs humanity angle, in a pretty stupid way if I may add, which is something the players should be either already doing, or ignoring completely. You can't tell me that you can make a tzimisce back down because you look really sad while he hacks you to pieces thanks to the teachings of the magical blog.
>>51488806
Nope, it wouldn't be effective if it was.

>>51488810
Nwod, they decided to give the supplement about combat to a passive aggressive leftist who affects pacifism while mouthing off about how 'nazis' should all be attacked for wrongthink

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>>51488810

Plains are readers of a pacifist blog.

No, really.

>>51488833
>inserting nazi apologetic rethoric for no damn reason
Back to /pol/ quickly.

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>>51488834

>>51488810
Chronicles of Darkness, the new name for New World of Darkness.

The book is called Hurt Locker, and it's a "combat and minor supernatural templates" splatbook.
It has some supremely variable quality.

That power is power of the "Pain Readers" who are people who've taken on board this philosophy of non-violence thing from a mystical website, and gained the ability to compel non-violence in others through quasi-mystical manners.

Including threatening to report all manner of Mummies, Demons and soul-eating Magicians, to the police.

>>51488480
>Medieval fantasy doesn't make sense anymore since we have smartphones

>>51488833
>>/pol/

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>Hideyo’s: In a small, open-front store stuck between several other cramped electronic shops just like it, is Hideyo’s. Distinct only if you know to look for it, Hideyo’s has a number of random electronic and computer components on the sidewalk out front. At a glance, the only thing about it is that a number of the products appear to be makes that never went to market, or from manufacturers no one has ever heard of. It’s said that you can find anything at Hideyo’s, as long as it’s lost and hard to find. Hideyo himself will tell you many of the things he has for sale don’t exist, and that he gets them as gifts from the angels. He’ll also tell you “my god is Ultraman,” if you hang around long enough to talk to him.

>Happy Kitten Pancake Café: Maid Cafes dot the shop- ping district and run the spectrum from cute, colorful shops that cater to middle- and high-school-aged girls, to much more adult locations with much more adult interactions between clients and the staff. Happy Kitten Pancake is somewhere in between. The staff and owner appear to be pleasant, good-humored women who dress up as typical quasi-Edwardian maids (so long skirts, not short), and serve “the best pancakes in Tokyo.” Happy Kitten Pancake does not, however, put up with crap from clients. In the past year, eight men have been taken to the hospital from the Cafe having been beaten nearly to death. None of them will say what happened nor are they willing to press charges. The owner, Emi, simply says “boys can’t be rude here.” She is all of 150 centimeters tall, and none of her staff are much bigger. How these men end up in the hospital is anyone’s guess.

This is just like one of my Japanese animes!

I like the implication that there has to be something supernatural going on with short Japanese girls beating up greasy otaku.

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>>51488834
>>51488853
Uh.

>>51488842
>>51488848
Yeah because it's so great the way idiots are going around yelling 'look a Trump supporting nazi!' and then suckerpunching them. Thanks for getting the Portland airport people to back down on gun control though!

>>51488853
>This is just like one of my Japanese animes!
Actually this sounds like a typical stroll through Tokyo, not even kidding.

>51488845
>not taking s/elf/ies with the Holy Sword and sending them to the king to notify the success of the quest
Dorf pls

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>>51488844
>threatening to report all manner of Mummies, Demons and soul-eating Magicians, to the police

>"Hello, police? There's a Demon skullfucking a homeless man, come quick! I got it all on video"
>"Why yes sir! There's a vehicle going your way with an exorcist cop!"

What kind of retard committed that on paper?

>>51488701
They hate all traditional cultures, nicking the parts that are "Exotic and kewl" and ignoring central parts because they're icky and gross.

It's one of the worst fucking parts of the new batch of writers.
It's the same cultural appropriation it always was, but now instead of having some fun with it it's just window dressing.

>>51488865
I'm not saying it's not stupid but you were the one to bring some /pol/ - Tumblr dichotomy for no reason.

>>51488853
>loli vampire cafè
UNF.

>>51488880
>the Holy Sword
Swords? The only relic of renown is the Holy Apple Tablet.

>>51488900
I never said a word about tumblr what the fuck are you talking about

>>51488892
>"Get on the ground!"
>Mage punts a police car five blocks
>"I'm warning you!"

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>>51488915
Well that's probably anything BUT a mage because of that pesky disbelief bullshit.

But anyway, this is why police should be armed with six cameras rather than guns, and be trained to read Amish blogs.

>>51488892
I mean, CoD started out with magical LSD menstruation coming out of your dick. (Because what matters is how you identify)

They always needed to be slapped a little bit.

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>>51488892
Haha yeah, there's no way there would be a special task force dedicated to dealing with supernatural threats.

>>51488691
I'm only ok with that if they wrote about a bunch of neckbeards gaining minor reality altering power given to them by an ancient egyptian god after reading a japanese image board.

>>51488931
The FBI department deals with serial killers, and taskforce:VALKYRIE is owned by vampires. (These fucking writers need to be fucking shot)

>>51488931
I don't think a civilian would know about that though.

>>51488411
That's probably only going to stop a Toreador, and only because it would make them stop to check their hair and clothes.
And on the other and it is going to make every Nosferatu cleopatra unbelievably mad.

>>51488941
Not an official splat, but I'm sure you know about Fedora the Tippening.

>>51488892
Well if it's in a setting without masquerade, ok but that's not the case here, right ?

>>51488944
>taskforce:VALKYRIE is owned by vampires.
and it's equipment is supplied by a cabal of Seers

>>51488957
Wait, shit, is it Fedora the Tipping?
I always misread it because I imagine it sounding just as obnoxious as the other subtitles.

>>51488411
What the fuck is this pussy ass shit?

>>51488950

>Everyone has a voice and all voices are respected

Unless you are a dude.

>>51488950
I don't really see the problem here dude.

They're female hippies, female-societies on that notion exists all over the place in real life, and they're a staple of WoD since the beginning.

>>51488949
I expect any civilian who has encountered Supernatural-Americans to guess that it probably exists and there's a reason these minorities try to avoid publicity.
Seriously, all nonsense aside about cops vs mage fights aside, they do not want to be recorded and reported to the authorities.

>>51488973
I know, right?

Cuck: The Cuckening.

>>51488950
Being a boy in their little conclaves must be depressing. No father figure and the only family you have is clearly going to shove you out when you are grown

>>51488966
Yes, it's Fedora the Tipping.

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The writers felt the need to thoroughly write out a detailed encounter with a purely mundane group of baka gaijin in Akihabara.

>>51488853

>Nearly beaten to death
>Not willing to press charges.

At the point where someone was hospitalised and nearly died, I don't think the police NEED you to agree to press charges. I mean, that's at the very least aggravated assault. If not attempted murder.

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>>51489001

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>>51489006

>>51488998
I mean, I have a friend who grew in such an organization and he was fine. His mom left the organization when he became too old and rejoined it when he moved out... then left it later because it had basically fallen apart.

>>51489003
It's Japan, man.

>>51488994
I mean yeah, but what's stopping them from cutting you and taking the cameras off your mutilated corpse? Literally nothing.

>>51489001
>>51489006
>>51489009

...these are not people who understand japan.

>>51489029
And yet the author lives there and feels free to speak on behalf of the actual japanese

>>51488714
Not that I don't think Hill's a catastrophically terrible writer and developer, but Beast is mostly Matt "Black Hat Matt" McFarland's retarded baby. One can even look at one of his game's to see how you're supposed to run it
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?759812-Beast-The-Primordial-Roots-in-the-Community

However, and I'm not 100% sure about this, Hill was responsible for large chunks of the Heroes chapter of Beast, which was just as god-awful as the rest of it. The recent heroes expansion book doubles down on the shit as well.

>>51489001
>>51489029
Supposedly David Hill actually lives in Japan and is the one writing these terrible Japanese settings into all the new books. Presumably he never leaves the house.

>>51489024

Point taken. Japan is pretty messed up.

>>51488950
Isn't that from the oWoD 20th anniversary edition?

>>51488411

Did an SJW write this?

Someone wasn't beaten by their parents enough.

>>51489029
Do you think that's going to stop a writer? 90% of the time it doesn't.

>>51489073

Yeah, I just thought that maybe they'd learned from Gypsies. Just maybe.

>>51489062

I'm pretty damn lefty and even I'm offended by this. WoD is a dark, gothic modern horror setting. It's the sort of setting where being a pacifist should be hard and deliberately taking the less optimal but more moral option. Not 'Get superpowers that make a mage blush'.

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>>51489035
>Recent heroes book
Tell me more, I've got to know just how retarded things get.

Do you get to play the M'ladying Dudebro Superhero Rapist of the WoD writers darkest Peyote hallucinations or not?

>>51489094
It's so shit no one's bothered to share it. Some sparkling jewels are the new antagonist splat of superbeasts who do things like ejaculate fisheggs that if you eat you'll be ejaculating fisheggs too.

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What the fuck is this shit? World of Darkness with Tuinblrinas?

>>51489093
That's the 'modern horror' part, as in it makes a horror out of what the writers consider 'modern' (anyone and everything that agrees with them).
There's making appealing political points in things you write (pretty much every writer does if they're not trying to remain completely unbiased), but then there's beating an Ipad filled with your ideals over someone's head until one or the other breaks.

>>51488464

First post is best post.

>>51489093

I thought the point is that being a pacifist means you're fucked. The WoD is not functioning properly when you can be a pacifist and survive. It's a world where those who want to take the high road have one name: "Victims".

>>51489157

Eh, depends how good you are at running very fast. I mean, it's not like mortals tend to do much better trying to FIGHT the werewolf.

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It is so easy to dox someone. Only IT experts have dots in Computer, so anyone without dots in Computer defends untrained with only Resolve - 3.

>To scrape social media for personal information, roll Intelligence + Computer, opposed by the target’s Resolve + Computer, in an extended action. Each roll represents an hour of work on the hacker’s part; rolls by the target represent longer-term vigilance to prevent metadata leakage. The hacker must accrue a number of successes equal to twice the target’s unmodified dice pool, and the target must do likewise — the first to reach this number is victorious. If successful, the hacker gains access to personal information, including name, address, and frequently visited places. An exceptional success grants government ID numbers or bank account information, giving the hacker access to the subject’s Resources Merit, if she has one (if she does not, he’ll likely open a credit card in her name and run up obscene bills, saddling her with debt).

>If the target is victorious, her stalker’s efforts are stymied, and he cannot gain access to her information through this means. On its own, doxxing (the publication of personal information to a wide audience) may not seem like the worst thing that could possibly happen. The truth of the matter is that doxxing never happens in a vacuum. If someone cares enough to dig up information and publish it, odds are others will be sufficiently motivated to act upon it. The Storyteller should roll a die every chapter — a failure indicates that the victim is clear of harassment for the remainder of the story, while a success indicates that a stalker will harass him in some way. This could be as subtle as taking selfies outside his workplace or as blatant as leaving dead animals on his doorstep — or worse. For every dot of Fame or Status the target has, add one die to the roll — bigger names attract more attention. Other Merits affect this roll at the Storyteller’s discretion.

>>51489154
Although what's considered to be going overboard on the political stuff varies pretty wildly from person to person, along with the usual tolerance of heavy-handed shit that aligns with your own views over equally heavy-handed shit that doesn't.

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>>51489190

A plucky mortal could dox presidents, vampire princes, and mage hierarchs alike this way. With a decent Intelligence + Computer, getting the exceptional success for "government ID numbers or bank account information" is not that hard either.

So, World of Darkness is dead now, huh?
I remember it being dark, brooding, sinister horror, with a spicy underside of knowing that inevitably, the story was going to end poorly, and that all shall fall.

What the fuck is happening?

>>51489062

I used to be friends with a lot of the writers, and basically yes. Like as in militant hard core. Not all of them are into politics, but the ones that are are pretty damn out-there militant.

>>51489093

Yeah me too.

>>51489172

Yeah, but the idea is that - It's a World of Darkness. It's a place where if you're begging for help, you're going to end up dead. It's like Detroit, but across the entire world.

Basically, it's kind of like those really nihilistic Japanese horror movies, where everyone ends up broken - not just dead, but damned - at the end of it. (Kairo and The Ring are good examples, but especially Kairo.)

>>51489094
> Null Synper feeds solely from the fear and ruin she instigates on the internet through hate groups and active trolling. She starves herself of a true meal of flesh and bone, afraid of leaving her safe hovel, and finding it far too easy to prey on those who would take their own lives for her.

This is one of the sample antagonists. As you can see from >>51489190, Null Snypa's a terrifying force to be reckoned with.

>>51489122
I like the rape victim hero you're supposed to hate myself. Because she's a Hero, you see. Hero bad.

>>51489200
Of course. That's just how people work.
I like to generally keep my nose out of other people's business and like my privacy, so my tolerance for extremist stuff is pretty high unless it's up in my face, at which point it dives like a dead duck.
>>51489254
>Rape victim hero
Unbelievable, as in I legitimately don't believe you.

>>51489254

I know there's one guy who's a GamerGater/MRA in Beast, and he's a bad guy. (Thaddeus, I think.)

The really stupid part is, as a Hero, he has magical charisma, super strength, and a flaming sword. At this point, the guy's no longer a joke: He's the living embodiment of his philosophy. Like, you can mock an idiot who wears a black trenchcoat and carries a katana.

If the same idiot regularly fights vampires and walks away, he's the genuine article.

>>51489146
It's what happens when people inexplicably let David Hill write RPGs. Onyx Path have zero quality control and don't understand the difference between "popular on rpg.net" and "popular in the actual RPG community", so they let the most shit-tier people imaginable write for them.

And, in fairness, at least he actually produces on schedule, which is novel for OP. Much like a festering yellow turd that squeezes out of your ass at the same time every day; regular, if not welcome.

>>51489009

I have a question. Are these people secretly fighting some cyberpunk version of 4chan? Like, is 4chan actually a group of anonymous masked killers who suit up to commit acts of random violence with powers granted by the interwebz?

>>51489206
If the storyteller is retarded.

I would take it as a given that any high ranking official/executive in the WoD setting would have an IT consultant working for them and the hacker should roll against the experts stats to represent their help.

Why would this be considered a supernatural ability? Sounds more like good roleplaying that the GM should reward with a situational bonus, there's nothing supernatural about it. Although as real world examples show the bonus shouldn't be that significant, people really are that stupid, just look at Shia LeBeef.

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>>51489307
>he hasn't become a fomori yet

>>51489317
There's arguably more danger of that kind of thing in the real world, and some very recent "hacks" could have been performed by a particularly motivated twelve year old.

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>>51489190
>>51489206

It is important to note that, as written, there are no rules for un-doxxing oneself. If someone gets doxxed, then for the rest of the game, the GM rolls a die at the start of each chapter (session) to see if they get harassed.

A failure means that the target is clear for the rest of the story (adventure arc)... but the roll gains bonus dice equal to the target's Fame and Status dots. Status dots are extremely common among NPCs, which means harassing NPCs will be trivial.

>>51489254
> Null Synper feeds solely from the fear and ruin she instigates on the internet through hate groups and active trolling. She starves herself of a true meal of flesh and bone, afraid of leaving her safe hovel, and finding it far too easy to prey on those who would take their own lives for her.

Is this post-postmodern urban fantasy, where the monsters wage their shadowy wars through image boards and Tumblr blogs?

>>51489317

More likely, that would just be a teamwork action.

And the doxxers can use teamwork actions as well.

>>51489372

I have to admit, I don't even know what Beasts do. They seem to be some kind of Otherkin.

>>51489387

Good news: The writers don't know what Beasts do either!

Like, the actual role they fill in the setting is kinda unclear. With this vague 'Teach humanity lessons' thing that doesn't really apply to 99% of beasts and this need to horribly fuck up humans to keep going (But they are the victims if the humans create Heroes to hunt the Beasts that are fucking them up.)

Beast really is a clear example of how you need a Mission Statement when you are doing a big writing project for an RPG. What is your chosen themes and focus?

>>51489387
They fuck with people for some stupid pretense. This can range from giving them nightmares for stepping on a crack or killing them for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>51488691
>neighborhood boys
>emotional violence
>eclectic
>radical nonviolence
I haven't seen this much cancer since the last time I went to the oncologist with my grandma.

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In all seriousness, without any bit of exaggeration, there are enough rules and canonical NPCs and organizations in these books to run a campaign centered entirely around supernatural online memesters, trolls, and activists, correct?

>>51489372
>Is this post-postmodern urban fantasy, where the monsters wage their shadowy wars through image boards and Tumblr blogs?
We need to go DEEPER.
>Eventually White Wolf ditches hardcopy books in lieu of PDFs
>The PDFs are actually rigged with tons of spyware that doxxes the players and eventually spawns paranoia-inducing pop-ups by spoofing programs already on the user's computer
>Haha isn't this so immersive guys

>>51489410
>Beast really is a clear example of how you need a Mission Statement when you are doing a big writing project for an RPG.

They had one. It was

>Otherkin YAY
>Identity is EVERYTHING shitlord
>NORMIES RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE

It's incoherence is due to its writers belief systems being incoherent. Beast is merely a failure, not a mystery.

>>51489093
Same, but I don't even play WoD in any form (just checking out this thread out of curiosity) and even I can tell how terrible all this content is. Jesus.

>>51489254
>It keeps getting worse, somehow

>>51488633
This. Whoever wrote the combat rules in GMC was a fucking tard who'd never even seen a brawl, let alone been in one.

Chronicles of Derpness a shit, nWoD 1e is best

>>51488842
>for no damn reason
If you weren't so triggered by the idea that people who's ideas you disagree with still have rights you'd see that they were trying to demonstrate that person's hypocrisy by bringing it up. Do you actually think it's okay to attack someone for having the wrong political beliefs?

>>51488950
>Might makes right
>No boys allowed

Handled evenly could be interesting but we know it won't be

>>51489433
...Is there a froggy Beast based off of internet-jockey grognards who uses terrible screeches and horrible hygiene to fight against a self-righteous 'activist' Hero, or would that be too self-aware?
I would literally pay money to see that.

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>>51489444

Oh god, yes.

Guns are point-and-click death rays even with substantial concealment.

Meanwhile, melee weapons? Hahahahahahaha, good luck hitting someone! Weapons give no accuracy bonuses, and Defense is now (lower of Wits and Dex) + Athletics, sooooooooo, welcome to whiff town.

>>51489425
Maybe?

nWoD 1e books mentioned VIIchan as a place where vampires trolled the shit out of each other online, and oWoD had Shcrecknet as the place where Nosferatu basement dwellers hung out. Of course, this was before DANG DIRTY INTERNET TROLLS were worse than Satan.

>>51489462
>...Is there a froggy Beast based off of internet-jockey grognards who uses terrible screeches and horrible hygiene to fight against a self-righteous 'activist' Hero, or would that be too self-aware?
>I would literally pay money to see that.

No, y'see, that would actually be interesting.

The grog would be a Hero, because smelly grogs are BAD MM'KAY, and Heroes are also BAD MM'KAY

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http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/202615/Night-Horrors-Conquering-Heroes

Who wants to bite the bullet and buy a PDF of the Beast: The Primordial supplement centered around these internet troll Heroes?

>>51489478
>Shcrecknet
Wait so shrekchan is nosies posting in cypher?

>>51488865

It's only a matter of time before one of those 'Nazis' shoots someone in self-defense. Then we'll have a real shitstorm.

>That japan skit
I'll take KotE vision of Asia any day over reading that again.

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>>51489488
No, of course not, that's stupid.

They're mostly Changelings.

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>>51489473
Also, initiative penalties.Badly thought out ones (it's faster to stab someone than to pull a fucking trigger).
Also all melee weapons dealing lethal damage. It's like they forgot bashing damage wraps around to lethal and it takes real force to start shattering bone/rupturing anything vital

>>51489514
>All melee weapons dealing lethal damage
Anyone who played any sort of contact sport in their life could tell you that's horseshit, leading me to believe whoever wrote that has not.

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>>51489307
I think that's more or less how they saw channers during that GG fiasco.

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>>51489514

>Badly thought out ones (it's faster to stab someone than to pull a fucking trigger).

Now, this one is believable.

Do you know what IS hilarious, however?

All revolvers in the Hurt Locker give a +6 bonus to initiative.

+6.

Light revolves require Strength 0, and heavy revolvers require Strength -2.

They printed this table not once, but twice, so if this is an error, they double-printed it.

>>51489529
Anyone who's ever thrown a punch on the playground in their life could tell you it's horseshit. That doesn't stop the imbeciles writing for Onyx Path these days though

>>51489549
I don't get CoD, tt's not rules lite, it's not rules heavy and the rules certainly aren't good. What are they trying to accomplish?

>>51489554
But I mentioned contact sports already.

>>51489549
It's really not. By default just making an attack with a gun in nWoD is a snap-shot, given there's an actual action for taking aim before plugging someone.

Also ha ha ha ha oh wow

>>51488833
>>51488834
>>51488844

Just to make sure I'm not tripping on paint fumes and LSD:
these fuckers read a blog and they get to do magical acts of non-violence, making them able to stop a raging werewolf or a frenzied vampire in their tracks?

>Well, it's a scrawny ass motherfucker with a phone that's threatning me with Facebook, I *think* I could take him on
>Oh wait, a sassy black woman took a step forward, better back off and think about what I've done

Really?

>>51489425
Not quite related but GURPS has a whole sourcebook called "Toxic Memes" all about memetics and it was written over a decade ago before memes were even that big a thing, how spooky is that?

>>51489549

>Heavy pistols can be one handed.
>Light revolvers cannot.

Oh boy, time to go get my Deagle and 1 hand it.

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>>51489549
>>51489572

Revolver Ocelot wrote the tables in the Hurt Locker.

>>51489549
>+6 to initiative
>+6
>Pepper Spray gives 0
>Light Pistol gets 0
>Heavy Pistol gets -2
It actually doesn't make sense no matter whether it was supposed to get +6 or -6.

>>51489589

Like, what happens when these people take a baton to the face? Do they blog about it?

>>51489270
>Unbelievable, as in I legitimately don't believe you.

It’s a slight exaggeration, but it definitely reads as a sexual assault.

Candy Rasmussen was a politics student. Pretty charismatic, not so good at following scripts. She does unpopular vlogs where she rambles on about things. Somehow she gets a creepy fan who starts to help her to become more popular by making little suggestions. All is fine for a little while. Then the nightmares start, awful dreams of suffocating in dirty water, sewage and mucous, and when she wakes up.
>she inevitably found her skin covered in grime and her bed despoiled.

The trauma causes her work and studies to suffer. Eventually she sleepwalks across campus and discovers that her creepy little friend is actually a horrible monster
> Entering the room in which she first met her friend Jess, she beheld something terrible. Hunched over, hulking and dripping in viscous fluid - a slipperly approximation of Jess writhed in the midst of reels and filming equipment. Rasmussen broke from her daze to see the true form of her yearlong companion. Jess just looked over her shoulder and formed a jagged smile, beckoning Candy to join him, before moving to hook up a video camera. Turning his back on Candy proved to be a fatal error. Horrified and betrayed by the friend who infected her dreams, she grabbed Jess' lighter from his dropped rucksack and put it to a shelf of old celluloid, locking the door on the Beast trapped within. She stayed long enough to hear his screams as the highly-flammable nitrates ignited around the trapped Collector.

>A Hero was born.

Note: a collector is a Beast Type that has to take valuable things to feed. It was grooming her to be popular so she had value.

In the description further on in the text it goes on about how Candy feels humiliation and guilt about what happened to her, and how she just can’t let go of the past. If only she could be convinced that it was all for good!

>>51489567
I wouldn't call myself much of an athlete but I punched a fair few fuckers as a kid. But yeah, semantics.

>>51489564
At the moment? Combining vampires, changelings and tumblr into one horrible package. They should have just updated 1e instead of trying to improve upon it.

Nobody has mentioned one of the antagonists in oWerewolf 20th Anniversary is literally Guy Fawkes-mask "hacktivist" Anon yet, have they?

>>51489595
To be fair, in 1e all the pistol strength requirements were written from the perspective of one-handing them. You only need a Strength of 3 or higher to dual-wield Deagle brand Deagles in .50 AE, which is silly but awesome

>>51489604
Depending on the merit they bought, they could force tyou to face "The consequence of violence"
>>51488574
Or, if that baton made you bleed for some reason, they could make you aware that you did that to them
>>51488411
Who needs Hunters when you have PEOPLE WITH PHONES?

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>>51489604

>Like, what happens when these people take a baton to the face? Do they blog about it?

Yes. Yes, this is exactly what they do.

In exchange for reading (and maybe posting) on this blog, they receive unusually strong, absurdly cost-effective superpowers that can inflict pacifism on anyone, even permanently.

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>>51489642
I bet Network Zero are pissed it turned out to be that easy.

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>>51489645
>My uncle get killed doing his stuff
>But worry not for a simple payment of 99.99 we can make sure you only take 1(one) lethal damage

>>51489645
To be fair, I wouldn't consider pacifism a curse unless they tied up vegetarianism with it. I mean, fine, I don't have any reason to beat the hell out of (most) people, but I sure will if someone tries to take away my beef on the pretense that cows are somehow on the same level as people.

>>51489651
Well, they weren't avid readers of an Amish blog, now, were they?

>>51489693
>ex-amish hipster blog
Fixed that for you.

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>>51489668

>But worry not for a simple payment of 99.99 we can make sure you only take 1(one) lethal damage

You know, it is only ever one die per enemy.

If some elder god-tier idigam wants to devour the city, the blog-reader steps up, has the Storyteller roll a single die, and possibly takes no damage at all.

Since the roll is a Storyteller-made "summarizing the scene" roll, the idigam could not even spend Willpower in this case.

Not bad for one Merit dot.

>>51489610
Okay, wait, is the Hero supposed to be the bad one for burning poor innocent monster?

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>>51489549

Heavy revolvers have Low range but Long capacity.

They also require Strength -2, an impossibility.

All the better to Quick Draw with that +6 Initiative, I suppose.

>>51488658
>>So there I was, Cain standing before me and wanting to slaughter all my allies. I took a single point of lethal damage and it was all over and we just sorta wandered off.
If you only took a single point of lethal damage, then he didn't want to kill you anyway.

>>51489645
>they ran away not because they were coupable of murder and if we called the cops they could end up in the death row but because of my uncle nonviolence that gave him magic power but not enough to not die.
Damn that some good superpower.

>>51489645
>>51489757
I really like how that blog post proves absolutely nothing.

Good thing that none of these work on Mages.

"I do this SJW thing!"
"Nah. I got Mind 4. You do what I tell you."

>>51489808
>tfw no Mind 4

>>51489741
Yes.

After burning to death the poor, sweet little innocent sludge that was giving her night cuddles, she tried to go back to normal life. She did vlogs on hard-hitting subjects but failed to get anywhere, getting to the point where she was going to do something else entirely. Then the nightmares start again. This time it was a local bank manager who had recently been let out of prison. She gets him on her show, just to make sure he's actually a monster and she's not just crazy, he laughs in her face, she rants on camera about it.

>“The sad truth is we’ve made this world a gray, uncaring place where everyone does the bare minimum to get by. The people want to believe in ideals, but harsh reality tells them hope and faith are mistakes. To hell with the needs of innocent victims crushed beneath the wheels of grinding prosperity. The man who sat beside me is a crook — a beast. Nobody will address this because he has the most expensive lawyers in the country. But let me tell you now, live: the people need to hear the strong voice of someone bold enough to tell the greedy magnates, bent politicians, and violent criminals they’re wrong. Their victims won’t take this any longer. The beast beside me, and everyone like him, need to be shown we won’t take their shit any longer.”

Video goes viral, another Hero sees it, tracks down the Banker and explodes him and his lair. This is how she gets started on the job the PCs encounter her in - the owner of "Voice of the Victim", a vlog for victims of abuse and "perceived wrongdoing" that's actually a cover for a way to feed information about Beast lairs, safe houses and other leads to Heroes. She doesn't actually care about others, only killing Beasts.

After legal action failed, a group of Beasts on her campus felt so threatened that they tried to kidnap her. Their fatal mistake was posting their plans to twitter. They were shocked when her teachers and classmates rallied to her defence.

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Interesting, the sample Plain is a little brown boy who wants to stop fights, and even "police violence," by stepping in to take hits.

Sadly, he lacks YOU ARE BEING RECORDED, Over Before It Started, The Consequences of Violence, and The Step, so his efforts may be in vain.

>>51488536
It's secular Amish pacifism magic.

The Plain are so stupid and I love them.

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>>51489849
Wow.

Just... wow.

Really?

Is Onyx Path serious? Why is everything in CofD about internet activists nowadays?

>>51489856
If these Plain are Amish, then why do they work best strapping 6 cameras onto themselves for You Are Being Recorded?

>>51489849
...Are you serious?
You just made that last paragraph up, right?

>>51488926
Do you mean back when it was the World of Darkness, or in one of the new books?

>>51489849
>>51489875

Candy didn't press charges, because she knew another Hero would be along soon enough to get rid of them permanently.

Some quotes

>Few Beasts want to cleave through innocent puppets in order to reach her. They just watch, frustrated, as she plants targets on the backs of those who can't assail her without their own identities and lives being exposed for the world - and heroes - to see

>Candy’s reasoning is one of misguided altruism. She believes Beasts taint what they touch and harm what they love. She blindly ascribes most of the world’s ills to the activities of Beasts, ignoring the possibility of human corruption when a Beast could bear the blame. For all her attempts at charity and compassion, her methods and the results always come back to hurting Beasts for reasons largely in her head.

And a plot hook

>As one of the Beasts enters a church, a therapist’s office, or another place of quiet refuge, they spy a heavily-disguised Candy Rasmussen exiting. Supposedly, Rasmussen goes nowhere alone, yet in this instance she’s unaccompanied by any of her hangers on. This is a golden opportunity to stalk the Hero, engage her while she’s undefended, or simply find out more about her. What darkness does she contain that drives her to a place of counseling and contemplation, and is it possible to reach her with words instead of resorting to claws and Horrors?

>>51489890
I am deadly serious and I am not making it up.

>>51489875
>Why is everything in CofD about internet activists nowadays?
Because they think the internet activists will buy their book.

>>51489849
>>51489925

Okay, you're fucking with me now.

I never liked CoD, but this just makes me despise it.

>>51489035
David Hill is a mistake

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>>51489849
>“The sad truth is we’ve made this world a gray, uncaring place where everyone does the bare minimum to get by. The people want to believe in ideals, but harsh reality tells them hope and faith are mistakes. To hell with the needs of innocent victims crushed beneath the wheels of grinding prosperity. The man who sat beside me is a crook — a beast. Nobody will address this because he has the most expensive lawyers in the country. But let me tell you now, live: the people need to hear the strong voice of someone bold enough to tell the greedy magnates, bent politicians, and violent criminals they’re wrong. Their victims won’t take this any longer. The beast beside me, and everyone like him, need to be shown we won’t take their shit any longer.”

How the fuck would this get a bajillion views on YouTube?

>>51489925
>Candy’s reasoning is one of misguided altruism. She believes Beasts taint what they touch and harm what they love. She blindly ascribes most of the world’s ills to the activities of Beasts, ignoring the possibility of human corruption when a Beast could bear the blame. For all her attempts at charity and compassion, her methods and the results always come back to hurting Beasts for reasons largely in her head.

But Beasts ARE complete and total shitheads! They have, like, only 10% redeeming qualities and 90% dickishness.

>>51489925

>Candy’s reasoning is one of misguided altruism. She believes Beasts taint what they touch and harm what they love.

Well, she's not WRONG.

>>51489955
>>51489956
#notallbeast
#beastlivematter

>>51489221
sidebars, no quality control and a bunch of self-righteous leftists that tell us that we are all wrong for not being progressive

>>51489925
>>As one of the Beasts enters a church, a therapist’s office, or another place of quiet refuge, they spy a heavily-disguised Candy Rasmussen exiting. Supposedly, Rasmussen goes nowhere alone, yet in this instance she’s unaccompanied by any of her hangers on. This is a golden opportunity to stalk the Hero, engage her while she’s undefended, or simply find out more about her. What darkness does she contain that drives her to a place of counseling and contemplation, and is it possible to reach her with words instead of resorting to claws and Horrors?

Fucking amazing.
'So, you see your enemy coming out of a therapist office after having been traumatized by the bullshit someone on your side pulled, perfect time to rap-I mean, kidnap them.'
I swear, Beast was secretly made by a bunch of serial rapists/murderers to act as a cover for them planning out their fantasies, its like Slasher without the 'and this is a terrible thing' added on.

>>51489984
>a bunch of self-righteous leftists that tell us that we are all wrong for not being progressive

If you think this is exaggeration, go look at David Hill's G+ account, where he actually says this sort of thing on a regular basis.

>>51489935
See, I did like nWoD, and I've even got most of the physical books, but there's a lot of things about the 2e / CoD books that put me off.

Beast broke me. Not just the book, which is one of the worst books I've read by a supposedly professional company, but its writers, its supporters and especially Onyx Path as a whole. That it came out the way it did, the way it was "fixed" after the first draft was even more bafflingly awful and the way it continues to be developed all speaks of a company I want very little to do with. Beast and Age of Sigmar very nearly killed /tg/ stuff for me.

>>51489925
So are we supposed to not sympathize with her?

>>51489433
From what I understand, their wasn't supposed to be a political message behind Beasts, McFarland just can't keep his politics from bleeding into his work.

Heroes were partially based after MRAs and internet tough guys though and that tainted the whole thing.

>>51489984
So we're looking at the reverse of Fatal at this point? I hope not.

>>51489035
He's probably working as an English teacher or some shit, and I'm not convinced he speaks Japanese better than the average weeb. I remember I threw a fit when I saw what he wrote about Japanese mages, that shit would get ridiculed even on anime forums.

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>>51489849
>>51489890

This is 100% real.

>Beasts noticed Voice of the Victim’s actions as their addresses, places of work, and families were featured on the publicly-visible website. The furor surrounding the site made Candy’s visible aims a particular concern to Beasts lairing on campuses. A youthful brood attempted legal action against the Hero initially, but, finding no traction, plotted her abduction. Foolishly, the brood broadcasted plans of the attack across social media, where word of it leaked to Candy.

>Rasmussen anticipated their assault and recorded every step of their aggression. The Hero’s loyal fans on campus — students and teachers both — intercepted the Beasts. After forming a human wall around the vlogger’s building, they fanatically and violently defended Rasmussen.

>Candy uploaded footage of the brood’s unsuccessful raid that evening, along with her voiceover mocking the “vengeful beasts.” Police intervened to ask Candy whether she wished to press charges or required protection. The Hero declined both. She knew other Heroes would soon eliminate the Beasts, whose faces were online for everyone to see.

This is a game about internet memesters, trolls, activists, and YouTubers.

>>51489645
>theamishapocalypse.tv
>amishapocalypse.tv

>>>mishapocalypse
Oh my god.
Is... is this a reference to what I think it is a reference to?
Has no one noticed yet?

>>51490064
Just be glad that Superwholock is dead.

>>51489889
They're ex-Amish is the reason. Why did this allow them to make a magic blog? It just does.

>>51490064
>>51490074
I don't get it but I think that's a good thing.

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>>51490000
If you read the account of McFarland's actual play >>51489035, this is absolutely what you're supposed to do

>Matt plays John Dawson (Ugallu (Predator). He owns a house in the neighborhood, where he takes people (children, often), whose families are lying to one another and otherwise toxic. He lets them freak out, then returns the kid a few days later, unharmed.

>Dawson finishes up the practice, noting which parents are there cheering for their kids and which ones stay on their cell phones the whole time, ignoring what's going on. He doesn't need to feed right now, but he notes which of his charges might need to get lost for a few hours at some point, just enough to make their parents take notice.

The other characters in this game are
>Michelle's character is Maia Wallis (Makara Ravager). Maia prefers to feed by getting into relationships with men and then slowing wrecking their lives. They're free to walk at any point, of course (she doesn't stalk them if they break up with her). She teaches the lesson that some relationships are toxic and it's better to end them.
>Toasty's character is Tyler Townsend (Eshmaki Nemesis)... As a Nemesis, he tries to teach thieves that their lives aren't worth whatever they're trying to steal (he runs an antique shop).
>Amanda plays Miriana Kyle (Eshmaki Predator)... As a Predator, she seeks to remind people that their status on the food chain isn't a given - even people can be prey.

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>>51490074
>Superwholock is dead
Why do you guys never inform me of such joyful stuff?

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>>51490082
How is it even a blog if multiple people can post on it?

Isn't it basically a message/image board then?

>>51490059
But are the memes dreams?

Lets be honest, the best thing to do with the Beast setting is to take the monsters, add a chance for them to actually turn into monsters then run a game from the PoV of the heroes, revealing what a bunch of self-excusing, amoral Cunts Monsters really are.
I mean you could throw some ambiguity in there, more than they gave the fucking 'heroes' (Or at least tried to) but the concept of playing actual designated heroes within a setting as Grey as WoD, inspired by the heroic nature of humanity to push back against the monsters in the darkness could be ballah.

I mean hell, you could even include the whole 'Dark Mother' bullshit and make it clear that she doesn't even realize humanity doesn't need the ancient lessons she's teaching anymore and that she's just loading up a bunch of cunt sociopaths with bullshit powers and setting them loose with a license to torment.

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>>51490059
>This is a game about internet memesters, trolls, activists, and YouTubers.

>>51490094
I've seen blogs run by multiple people. They don't use the blog to talk to each other, just to post articles and stuff.

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>>51490085
>Matt plays John Dawson (Ugallu (Predator). He owns a house in the neighborhood, where he takes people (children, often), whose families are lying to one another and otherwise toxic. He lets them freak out, then returns the kid a few days later, unharmed.

>Dawson finishes up the practice, noting which parents are there cheering for their kids and which ones stay on their cell phones the whole time, ignoring what's going on. He doesn't need to feed right now, but he notes which of his charges might need to get lost for a few hours at some point, just enough to make their parents take notice.

Isn't this basically the plot of ARAGAMI KILLAH: Heavy Rain?

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>>51490059
Go on, post the pages. You know the ones. Do it.

>>51490098
yeah, a Hero setting could be interesting. Heck, Beasts can be readily used in every other setting to show how depraved and monstrous a supernatural can become if they convince themselves that they are doing it "for the good of their victims". It is just that they are horrible protagonist material

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>>51490098
>>51490101
Beast: The Primordial's "signature" plane of existence in the cosmology is the Astral Plane, specifically, the region of the Astral Plane where dreams and nightmares take place... so yes, the memes can be dreams.

>>51490098
I still like the idea of giving Beasts an antagonist that is a fundamental threat to humanity from the Anima Mundi. The Primordial Dream would exist as a buffer zone to keep the Anima Mundi from absorbing the Temenos and reducing humans to nothing more than smart apes.

>>51490098
>>51490138
Why not just do a Hunter game then? What even is the purpose of Heroes if we already have Hunters for fuck's sake?

>>51490162
Because Hunters (usually) don't get superpowers.
Hunter Translation Guide when, Onyx Path?

>>51490138
The thing is, you can already do the "for the good of their victims" bullshit with pretty much every other supernatural type, and do it much better. Its pretty much the defining trait of the Lancea Sanctum vampires and quite a lot of Autumn Court Changeling (the Scarecrow Ministery especially). A beast I am, lest a Beast I become was in Masquerade ffs

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>>51488679
>Oh god I just realized this was written by David "Waifus are Racist" Hill.

Oh, that racist guy? I didn't know he was a real person.

>>51490172
Don't bother asking. If they were to make one, it'd be for CoD, not nWoD.

>>51490120
>Matt literally (actually, genuinely literally) plays a stalking child kidnapper that believes he's in the right
>>51490138
>Helsing: The Staking
Despite the fact that this should really fall under Hunter the Vigil, I would totally be on-board with writing something where this gigantic family of expert vampire/monster hunters keeps up the cold war with the darkness by killing monstrous criminals and acting as impersonal negotiators between certain factions.

>>51490138
Fuck, Beasts don't even have to be shit protagonists.
Just make them a throwback, they have tainted blood that gives them urges, they need to harm others, they're literally toxic souls.

But that doesn't mean they don't deserve to live (Far as they're concerned), then it becomes a game about balancing the amount of harm you do to other people while trying to make up for the fact that you're pretty much born detrimental to those you victimize and trying to avoid becoming either overtly abusive/dehumanizing others, or ignoring the beast to the point where it breaks free and you find yourself waking up sounded by raped school girls, police sirens in the distance because your thirsty as fuck Kraken ancestry just couldn't handle not being fed delicious violation and you happened to be passing a school when you broke.
Basically being a Beast is like being a Meth Head, you don't mean to hurt those around you but if you don't get your fix it just sort of 'happens'

All the mechanics could be exactly the same. Heroes could still be naturally driven to exterminate you (Being the White Blood Cells of humanity who don't question their role for the same reason you can't resist yours)
All it'd take is removing the bullshit 'oh but you're doing it for ~good reasons~' excuse and reveling in what being a beast really is.
It's being a god damn monster.

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>>51490121

Okay. Starting with Candy's first page.

>>51489754
No, as per the rules you only take at most 1 point of lethal per combatant. So if you're just fighting Caine alone, it would be 1 Lethal damage max.
>>51488574

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>>51490207

>>51490181
Except that means something entirely different in Masquerade you chode.
It doesn't mean 'Oh I'm doing it for my victims' it means 'I must do these terrible things or worse things shall be done by me against my will, because that is what I am'
Which fits perfectly with this here version of beast >>51490206

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>>51490192
Holy shit

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>>51490217

>Rasmussen sees nobody as a friend.

>Uh, you don't get to bring friends.

>>51490206
I mean, couldn't it just be that Beasts suck up all the taint in the world or some stupid shit like that and are driven to evil because of it?
It could lead to really heartwrenching situations where a man who's a pillar of the community becomes a Beast because he's making everyone else a better person and the taint has to go somewhere, so his son or something has to kill him after he goes nuts.

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>>51490230

>Candy has accompanied bands of Heroes on hunts for Beast families. She never actively participates in an assault, instead voyeuristically recording the Heroes’ sadistic attacks. She experiences a thrill from watching Beasts being put down, though nausea occasionally overwhelms her while watching the footage. Her goading dialogue, recorded over the visuals, excites and sickens her in equal measure. She stores these videos on a well-hidden external hard drive, and only loads them up when she’s not brought the life of a Beast to an end in recent months. She’s beginning to realize she has an addiction to slaying Beasts, even if the only part she plays is as information network to the real killers. She doesn’t know how to break this feeling, and doesn’t understand the Primordial Dream, but such discoveries aren’t pressing. Candy derives enough pleasure from her popularity, success, and how she helps innocents while throwing Beasts under the bus, that she’s content — at this time — to plow on.

Damn it, Onyx Path.

>>51490162
Because Heroes are wicked, evil, nasty people but Hunters can just be misguided!

>The supernatural is dangerous, multi-faceted, and largely outside of human law and morality. Some people see the supernatural and feel called to combat or at least study what lurks in the dark, and these people become hunters (a la Hunter: The Vigil). These people are exceptional in their drive and bravery, however, and a good number of them wind up dead or inexorably changed by their fight. Heroes are not hunters. They do not take up their battle against Beasts because of something that was done to them. They step into situations that they do not understand, that they have no context for, and make a gross assumption about what they’ve seen. They respond with violence out of misplaced outrage or, worse, a desire for adulation. The people they bring along are normal mortals who would rather simply shake off the experiences they had and go back to their lives; they do not share the Hero’s bloody-mindedness or his gifts.

>If the Hero is a sympathetic character, driven to hunt monsters by the relentless attacks of the supernatural, then you might be better served checking out Hunter: The Vigil (and perhaps using Beasts as antagonists). If, however, the Hero has deliberately shunned other people, defining himself by what he is not, what he hates, or the wrongs done to him, that’s a perfect candidate. The line is thin, and that’s deliberate.

Official GM guidance is you're not supposed to have sympathetic Heroes.

>>51490275
>the line is thin, and that's deliberate
best excuse I have ever heard for bad and inconsistent writing

>>51488411
What about Acension?

>>51490059
I have no words. That's supposed to be an antagonist ?
This book has supporters ? For real ?

>>51490275

How the hell are the murderfuck hedonists Hunters by that definition rather than Heroes?

>>51490275
Fucking hell, the entire Beast line is just unnecessary, isn't it?

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Okay. Candy was nothing. Candy was absolutely nothing.

Null Snyper, on the other hand... well. She started GamerGate.

In the Chronicles of Darkness, THIS middle-aged lady was the supernatural mastermind behind GamerGate.

>If u can’t take criticism, GTFO n00b! LOL
"How do you do, fellow kids?"

>As soon as she graduated high school and was on her own, she saved up enough to buy an old laptop. She spent every moment of her free time engrossed in it. Her favorite forum was one that criticized people’s self-made costumes. Members of the community would take pictures of other people’s cosplay and upload them for everyone to ridicule. Maria gleefully joined in savaging the images. One picture turned out to be of a regular poster to the group.
Null is also from /cgl/.

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>>51490194
I-I can dream... can't I?

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>>51488691

>participating in capitalism

>>51490315
please. help.
I can't stop vomiting. The creation of this monstrosity deserves Championhood of Nurgle for the sheer cancer.

>>51490244
Fuck, even that could work.
I mean shit, I'm not even against the concept of the Dark Mother as such. Even using the 'primordial warnings' could work, like this:
>The Dark Mother thinks she's protecting humanity, warning them against what lies in the darkness, she doesn't hate mankind, she loves them, she loves them enough to harm some in order to protect all, when a man was first burned by fire, he learned to respect it, when man first nearly drowned he learned to respect the water, fear is respect and knowledge is power, only through the warnings we create, my children, can humanity be protected
Without realizing humanity has moved on, we've tamed fire, we don't need her warning us that the water is dangerous, ect.
Or fuck, even having Beasts secretly be her way of trying to protect humanity against the Supernatural through fear, trying to savagely warn that the fairy tales are real and by god they're coming for you.
Having the Dark Mother be the greatest threat to the Masquerade in existence could've been a fucking fascinating concept, with Beasts being her personal Suicide Bombers, forced to take her demands/warnings worldwide as they eventually go utterly batshit in a loud, public way and people discover monsters are real.

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>>51490315

This is it. This is where things get cuh-ray-zee.

>Recently, Null Snyper discovered the adolescent man-children that exist where gamers and men’s rights activists overlap. She felt nothing but contempt for them, but she decided to try flexing her internet muscles. Instead of driving people to suicide through direct online interaction, she whipped up an angry mob to go after her targets. Through empty rhetoric and carefully coordinated campaigns of doxing and harassment, she terrorized players, game developers, and journalists in the industry who don’t share her trolls’ views. The first time she saw a man killed by police, live on webcam as a result of a swatting prank, ecstasy, unlike that from any other death she caused, filled her completely. She knew she was on the right track.

>Now she maintains a carefully cultivated legion of followers. Certain circles avidly follow Null Snyper’s exploits and celebrate her as a master troll. It only takes a word or two from her to unleash the fury of hordes of aspiring trolls longing to make a name for themselves. They’ll dox anyone or breach private accounts if it means gaining a small measure of notoriety by attaching themselves to her reputation.

Null Snyper is the supernatural spider-mistress of GamerGate.

Also, how does "adolescent man-children" even make sense?

This thread makes me feel a lot better about never paying for any WOD books.

>>51490319
Why not start the project yourself?
Hunter: The Reckoning/Hunter: The Vigil 1e Translation guide!
I'm sure there's still some people out there who would support that.

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>>51490293
>>51490314
>>51490309
Because even the most debauched Ashwood Abbey member, fresh from snorting a line of glamour infused vitae and coke off a werewolf skull, is capable of soul-searching

>If it bleeds, we can kill it,” describes the typical hunter’s view of Beasts. It’s a simplistic, reductive attitude, one designed to insulate them from the idea that they might be killing a thinking, feeling being. In itself, that’s not terribly unusual: any hunter who’s gone after a vampire or a witch has faced the conundrum. The difference is that Beasts know the script: their arguments are less, “perhaps it is you who is truly the monster,” than “what gives you the right to kill monsters?” For hunters used to self-justification and equivocation from their prey, that sort of reversal can prompt some soul-searching.

Because no monster's ever said something like that before have they?

>>51490207
>>51490217
>>51490230
>>51490260
>>51490308
I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill in this instance. I'm pretty sure she was written to be sympathetic on purpose. Night Horror books are full of characters like that. They're supposed to be antagonists, but not necessarily evil.

Look at it from a game perspective. Regardless of the good that she does, if you're Brood is targeted by her you're going to have to deal with her one way or another because she won't leave you alone.

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>>51490366
You seem to be forgetting that, as per the Beast core, Heroes are supposed to be irredeemably "evil."

>>51490244
>It's always the good guys who turn out to be the monstrous serial killers
>That's because by being good they are literally making themselves a magnet for horrible shit

Fuck it, I'd play it.

>>51490085
You're telling me that I can make a school shooting beast teaching children the valuable lesson that people aren't bulletproof ? Like, is there anything you CAN'T justify ?


All things considered, that book looks like a semi-decent attempt at foreign morality

>>51490358
Because I'm a lazy shit and I can't do snazzy formatting for toffee. Although I am told Imbued could potentially work as a conspiracy with their powers working like Benediction/Castigation/whatever...

>>51490398
If you start it, others will come. Perhaps even someone who can do snazzy formatting.
If Genius and Princess can happen, anything can.

>>51489849
>Their fatal mistake was posting their plans to twitter.
Why would they do that though?

>>51489904
I mean back when it was still called World of Darkness, but we were still dealing with Onyx Path inaneness although the merit has remained untouched.

>>51490275
>They step into situations that they do not understand, that they have no context for, and make a gross assumption about what they’ve seen. They respond with violence out of misplaced outrage or, worse, a desire for adulation. The people they bring along are normal mortals who would rather simply shake off the experiences they had and go back to their lives; they do not share the Hero’s bloody-mindedness or his gifts.
Isn't the the fucking Union?

>>51490332
>The Dark Mother makes Beasts to force man to make Heroes.
I could get on board with that.
>>51490390
It could even have the obligatory
>He who hunts monsters
line where a Hero who adventures too long turns into a Beast. Why do you think Heroes like Beowulf die at the end of their story? When they die, the monsters they hunt die with them.
Hell, you could even have an Innocent Hero like Princess, who purifies Beasts from within like Beauty from Beauty and the Beast. The Princess and Prince, both Heroes, become married because they can share the burden of the Beast together, something most knights errant never realize, which is why they fall to darkness.
Fuck, I'm getting excited just thinking about it even though I'm lazy as fuck.

>>51490365
>“what gives you the right to kill monsters?”

I believe the answer to that is 'Because you are hurting people' or, for many hunters, 'God gives me the right'

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>>51490333

>Rumors
>“Null Snyper is so active in the men’s rights activists’ forums, we’re probably looking for a socially awkward male in his teens to early 20s.”

>>51490438
>Killer is Dead the RPG
>or rather, Killer the Deadening

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>>51490452

>Merits: Allies (Internet Trolls) 5

Null Snyper's legion of internet trolls wields so much clout that they can automatically cancel another character's 5-dot Social Merit, like Status (Military General) 5, for one session.

>>51490436
It's Hunters.
It's every fucking Hunter, but now evil and magically so.

It's trying to see Hunters from "The other side", which was what Hunters WERE, seeing the WoD from the other side.

>>51490452
No seriously, how are these people allowed to write?

>>51490452
>It's a race against time as the Beasts try to find the source of the harassment

oh my fucking god could you make a less interesting villain or campaign arc, holy shit

>How do we portray people fighting for their lives in a desperate situation against a malevolent evil
>Have them refuse to turn off their computers

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>>51490206
A related attempt to fix Beast is to something similar to Dragon's Dogma

The idea is that you are deliberately cultivating heroes who can make the world a better place. Slaying you after a long and vigerous battle is the both the best thing for the world but it also means your death. Feeding on would-be heroes makes you stronger (and you live longer, obviously) but makes you more and more of a blight and harder and harder to ultimately destroy. Can you put aside your urge to survive? Should you?

Abandon all delusions of control.

>>51489027

The magic. That you're being recorded thing is a supernatural merit, not a social merit. The shaming is metaphysical.

That being said, as a DM, I would rule that using this merit on any sort of supernatural creature would provoke a clash of wills. Seems like exactly the sort of situation that system is for.

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>>51490469
>The military is crippled due to le ebin trolled xdd
>The FBI can't help you because 5chin called them niggers
>The goverment shuts down because of a vicious lolcat attack

>>51490469
But don't you know anon!
4chan is hackers on steroids! They can make vans explode!

Also, fucking MRAs am I right? Literally deserve to be eaten by dragons for disagreeing with M'lady.

>>51488411
>emotional blackmail during fight
>being this much of a faggot
>expecting not to get at least beaten black and blue for that
Mortals were a mistake.

>>51490480
>It's Hunters.
>It's every fucking Hunter, but now evil and magically so.
No, I mean isn't this expressly the Union's M.O.?
Kill all monsters and anything that resembles them, doesn't matter the what, why or how, just do it, because we are ordinary folk protecting our neighborhood?

>>51490484
>The dragon is only famous because knights have died facing them
>>51490491
I can see it now
>"/x/, I need your help to fight these monsters IRL."
>"kool story fag"
>"kys OP"
>"G8 b8 m8"

>>51490491
Obviously the only solution is to take Allies (Internet Trolls) and then hack The Plain website, tell them to go after Beasts.
Boom, problem solved. You too can have your own Personal Army if you play nWoD.

>>51490365
Hunter was always one of my favorite WoD lines, there is something about being a regular joe who needs to kill the most dangerous beings on Earth with nothing but juryrigged equipment and a fuckton of moxie

Why do they insult Hunter so much these days?

>>51490366
Dunno about that, sympathetic antagonists in VtM weren't written like that at all.
Can't say for the other games

>>51488411
AM I BEING DETAINED MISTER VAMPIRE

>>51490484
>Beasts fight, survive, and kill Heroes
>Grow in power
>Eventually they can't control their glamour or whatever the fuck Beasts have
>End up becoming actual monsters, dragons, chimeras, trolls(actual goddamn trolls)

So is the evil spider lady a Hero or a Monster?

If she isn't killing Monsters, what makes her a Hero? If she is a Monster, what is she teaching supposedly? How is she supposed to be sympathetic?

>>51490517
Because the supernaturals are the GOOD GUYS anon don't you know, check your mortal privilege you're not allowed to hate the things that mass murder, rape, and torture people for fun

>>51490545
She's killing them with WORDS anon! Don't you know, looking at something on a screen can kill you

>literally shaking in my lair right now

>>51490230
>burning your friend alive because you think they might be the source of your bad dreams and they look kind of spooky
Seems a bit much, also who in the fuck still has celluloid film? Obviously whoever wrote this just saw inglorious basterds recently.

>>51490545
she is an Insatiable (a term McFarland seems to like, since he also uses it for alchemists in Promethean), a sort of Beasts for Beasts, who feed by terrorizing Beasts

>>51490379
Oh no, she is hunting supernatural creatures that torment human beings. What a evil bitch!

Why can't we just give people endless terrors without being hunted. People just hate us because we different!

I'm sooo saddd.

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>>51490545
She's an "Insatiable," something, uh, "in between" Beasts and Heroes, I guess.

>>51488411
Can't wait to play Richard Stallman

JE FAIS TEMOIN

How powerful are the new Mages?

I seem to recall someone mentioning in a thread once that in either old or new WoD Mages were hilariously overpowered in relation to the other splats and could turn elder vampires into lawn chairs.

>>51490511
The Union bring down anything that threatens their neighbourhood.
They're explicitly also vigilantes. They don't care if its a drug dealer or a vampire handing out poison to their kids, they're going to drive them the fuck out of town.

But, yeah, the union is not described as having any particular insight vis a vis the behaviour of monsters and there's little reason they wouldn't shoot first and ask questions later.

But the MO of taking up arms against that which others would rather ignore is literally The Vigil.
It's what The Vigil is.

>>51490587
>>51490581

So... she's targeting beasts then? With... gamergate? How? Or do we just assume that Zoey Quinn is a monster now?

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>>51490597
nMage 2.0 is still overpowered, just in different ways.

Like, Fate and Time are way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more game-breaking bullshit than ever before and can snap spellcasting in half. With 0 XP.

They can even skirt around Wisdom degeneration totally.

So I understand this shit is now prevalent throught nWOD, but are the anniversary editions of oWOD corrupted, or left untouched? I remember something about "changing the most problematic material" in the old stuff and I'm concerned.

>>51490607
No, she's just... trying to get anyone and everyone she can to either become an hero or get SWATted and shotted. She doesn't care about Beast, Hero, or normie, she just wants to ruin people. She made GamerGate happen to do that.

>>51490632
They've gotten shat on too. Anonymous are an antagonist in Werewolf20, Mage20 had the Sons of Ether change their name because muh patriarchy, it's all getting SJW'd

>>51490597
Mage was always retarded vis a vis powerlevel, it was never really a question of if the game was gonna break in half but when.

/tg/ plays up mage powers like a lot a lot, but baring an ST telling you to quit your bullshit the only real enemy mages face after a while are other mages.

>>51490632
M20 is shit
W20 has a decent Corebook, but later supplements like Changing Breeds suffer from Holden and Morke
V20 is okay

They have backpedaled in terms of Metaplot (California is not yet invaded by asian anime-vampires and that kind of thing)

>>51489410
So it's like a PC race that's basically Changelings with the batshit mentality of True Fae?

How has the reception for these books been? Have they sold well? Is the community as a whole liking them, or do people think it's trash?

>>51490653
>51488950
pic related

Man am I glad the Unknown Armies threads never devolve into the shitshow that nearly every WoD thread turns into.

>>51490664

A bit, yeah. It's a lot of the whole 'Who am I?' of changeling while trying to absolve Beasts of all actual sins they do. It's a schizophrenic book that could have been ok if it had anything resembling structure or consistency to make it...make sense.

>>51490669
The community is remarkably forgiving of their nonsense, and they're making money pretty fucking well.

Although for example /wodg/ goes through bursts of rationality where they call out this nonsense, typically it gets shouted down.

>>51490713
>typically it gets shouted down
By Aspel (aka Edward, Drawde, Rory), you mean?

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Could the Plain stop Beasts from pulling their Beastly bullshit, armed with their six cameras apiece and their shouts of YOU ARE BEING RECORDED?

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>>51490482
Well you see, if you look at the doxxing rules in >>51489190, the harassment bleeds into real life!

>>51489955
>How the fuck would this get a bajillion views on YouTube

A sad looking cat in a flower costume fell over during her speech

>>51490770
She was also wielding a 1,000 degree knife.

>>51490728
No, by the rest of the internet.

>>51490754
I'm so fucking mad. Like they took the concept of "you are a powerful agent of a dark god but these paragons that represent the worst parts of humanity can fucking destroy you" and turned it into twitter beefs and tumblr blogging. For fuck's sake.

Where the fuck is my Paladins the Falling game already

>>51490632
V20 is "only decent" at worst, and "pretty fucking amazing" at best. I especially liked the Anarchs Unbound and the Rites of The Blood books, and V20 Dark Ages was just a treat to read.

W20 is also decent, though it doesn't really have anything special going for it and no books that really stand out from the rest.

M20 is utter shite in pretty much every department. There are *some* tiny bits that aren't shit, but even then they're just "okay" at best, and still get obscured by the rest of the SHIT.

>>51488601
>pulling out a smartphone and saying "I'm filming you, teehee" is literally magic

Are we all wizards now?

Why does pulling out a smart phone cost a Merit dot?

I used to be so excited for them to produce another awesome game like Adventure! but threads like this just convince me that it's not going to be about looting ancient idols from old temples because that's some kind of colonization and more about being a feminist who flies a biplane in 1919.

>>51490847
thank the Technocratic Union, who brought magic to the common man

>>51490597
>How powerful are the new Mages?

Powerful enough, and in your own chronicle, as powerful as you want them to be.

One of the primary themes in Mage is Hubris and the temptations and effects of extreme power, often with consequences only for others. If mages pc's didn't have sufficient power and abilities, the mechanics wouldn't match the setting. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that apprentice mages can readily transform elder vampires into furniture, no less without serious repercussions.

Also, when considering mages' power level, don't forget that mage antagonists are usually very powerful, including other experienced and amoral mages and anti-reality horrors.

The thematic dissonance and setting expectations among various game lines and splats are one of the primary problems with attempts at crossover.

>>51490692
Why? Why did we need this? Beasts are basically the same archetype that Changelings fill anyway. C:tL was really good in my opinion, albeit one of the more depressing splats.

>>51490784

Fuck the knife. RHNB forever!

>>51490907
>thank the Technocratic Union, who brought magic to the common man

The Technocratic Union are the only true heroes of the oWOD setting.

Thankfully, most WW authors, Brucato notably excepted, have moved on from their eco-terrorist, luddite, magical minority phase in the 1990's.

>>51490863

It doesn't. Conceptual magic that forces someone to stop fighting which you happen to activate by pulling out a camera, on the other hand, does.

>>51490917

Because...reasons.

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>>51490847
>>51490863
It costs a Merit dot if you want to infuse it with ex-Amish pacifist magic!

>>51490971
>Amish witchcraft using smartphones

really jiggles my noggin

>>51490917

Beasts were an interesting idea in the planning phases and definitely had some potential.

However, since Matt seems wholly unable to keep his politics out of his writing and lacks self-reflection, and Rich is a complete failure as creative director and editor (*cough* M20 *cough*), Beast ultimately ended up as a rpg abomination.

Recall that the Beast we have now is the 'improved' version because changes were made in response to fan revolt after review of the purported near complete Kickstarter draft. It's hard to believe that the game OPP planned to release was actually significantly worse that the crap we have now.

>>51490057
What was that about?

Hold on...how can the Amish have magic? They're white and American conservative religious Christians. Doesn't that break some WW rule.

>>51488411
>using conspicuous blood powers in the streets

>>51491029
What are you one? True Faith had been a thing since the first WoD books.

ITT: Why Trump won the election.

>>51491053
Can't wait to hear the whining in the sidebar of their next products

>>51490917
If done right, I'd say that Beast could work really well as a dark mirror to Changeling.
Canonically, Changelings come from the Primal Dream, Beasts come from the Primal Nightmare.

Changeling is about overcoming your abuse.
Beast is about being an abuser.
Basically, imagine a game where you play True Fey, trying desperately to be human and not accept the fact that they were born as monsters without any place amongst humanity.
That'd be a fucking awesome game.

And sadly, that is not what they did with Beast.

>>51489478

Long before there was 4chan or Something Awful Forums, there were alt.* newsgroups. Before that, there were BBSes run on Commodore 64s and c-net at 300 baud.

>>51489564

Trying to take a great property from the early 90s that got ruined by ill-considered splatbooks and layer upon layer of metaplot cruft and turn it into something they can make money on today.

I still maintain that the best way to play WoD is to start with the original Vampire the Masquerade, second edition, and just use that. If you want mages, then add Mage Second Edition. Werewolves? Write your own supplement based on your loose recollections of Werewolf-- don't try to use any sourcebooks at all, they don't add anything. Similarly, anything you cook up instead of Wraith will be better than Wraith was (sorry, Rich Dansky is a great writer but he whiffed on this one).

>>51489591

No surprise at all. Memes were invented by Richard Dawkins as a kind of throwaway speculation in the Selfish Gene. The idea really took off in the 90s as a kind of ideological "information wants to be free" movement, and simultaneously among academics trying to use it to look at information theory.

It's a cliche now because it's so manifestly true that nobody really cares to fight about it anymore.

Jamais Cascio, who wrote Toxic Memes for the Transhuman Space RPG setting, is a real-life futurist. Predicting big things is his job, so it's no surprise that he gets this stuff right. Actually, many of the writers for Transhuman Space are real-life scientists and futurists. Anders Sandberg is to this day an active contributor on the Steve Jackson Games RPG forums. One supplement-- I forgot if it was Deep Beyond or Under Pressure-- was written by a space scientist who specialized in jovian moons (he was a doctoral student when he wrote the book). Some of his findings ended up in the RPG supplement BEFORE they were published in the scientific literature.

>>51491064
Bets on Trump being the next boss of whatever the next major WoD publication is?
>We're gonna make Hunting great again!
>I've got some of the greatest Hunters in the world at my disposal, these guys are real professionals, you wouldn't believe the things they've hunted, like Mexicans!
>Turns out its fucking Ashwood Abbey he's funding.

>>51488659
>"Any attempt to record the supernatural fails to record or comes off as just a regular uninteresting recording
This is how I do it, combined with most regular people having a built-in filter for supernatural shit. They'd rather forget it or rationalize it in any way possible than confront the truth. You basically have to shove their faces straight in it to break through the barrier.

>>51491003
>>51491029
Being EX-Amish turns everything topsy turvy.

>>51491131
That sounds amazing though.

>Duterte and Trump as Hunters
Fund this please

>>51491131
Mexicans: The Migrating

>>51491131
>When Arcadia sends it's people, they are not sending their best. They are sending people with a lots of problems, like personifications of Narratives, abducted survivors and Huntsmen formed from magical Contracts. They are bringing the crime, they are bringing the abuse, they are bringing emotional exploitation, they are bringing kidnappers

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>Underneath the rust and corrosion, only three letters were even partially legible — A N I — but the location and the serpent’s memories all fell into place. They had called it unsinkable, they had ventured into his territory, and he had taken their challenge. The Titanic had sunk, like everything else that challenged him.

This Beast literally sank the Titanic just for the challenge, and Beasts are still supposed to be "the good guys."

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>I will build a great wall – and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me – and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall right along the edge of the Hedge, and I will make the Fey pay for that wall. Mark my words. Cold Iron, the whole thing. You wouldn't even believe it.

And even then the Media would protest it. Donald Trump bans unique culture with many benefits to bring to the US from our borders, ect.