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>>51479129

Shit, forgot
Last thread >>51474191

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KEEP YOUR GODDAMN CHILDREN SAFE WHILE YOU ADVENTURE WITH THEM, THEY'RE NOT EQUIPMENT EXTENSIONS

Right now I'm playing the party "leader" and face, although my character is reluctant to consider himself the former.

I'm trying to encourage the party to gather some kind of formation in combat to help protect squishier players while exposing our front-liners to enemies. I know you can do the loose "melee front, ranged/caster in the back" motif, but that is far from perfect.

Does anyone have any good examples of party formations that we can adopt to keep our shit together? On more than one occasion we've been a bit spread out and exposed/flanked (in the literal sense, not the game sense).

>>51479206

Why do adventurers have children?

>>51479129
Two

In one, my character is still LN and is trying to become the voice of self-restraint for the group.

In the other, my character's a NE gloryhound mercenary that might just go over to LE due to his 'survival first' over 'reporting to authority' having been partly responsible for the party being about to engage a very dangerous encounter.

Post unpopular opinions.

I really like Akasha, both its flavor and its mechanics.

>>51479092
>>51479077
to the people arguing about whether ability modifiers stack or not:
if they're not explicitly typed, then they don't stack.
If one has a type and the other doesn't, or they both have different types, then they stack.
See >>51479278 for linked citations.

>>51479296
3pp is as unbalanced if not more so than Paizo's own stuff, which is why I would rather ban 3pp stuff from games because I can work around the imbalances of the core game

>>51479296

I really dislike gestalt. I used to think it was neat but now it is just a chore to do.

>>51479296
Is disliking PoW still considered unpopular?

>>51479255
Because they don't adventure alone and there happen to be adventurers of both sexes. Put down as much legislation as you want, workplace relationships will always happen.

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>>51479341
I'm not big on gestalt either, it's so tiring.

Also working to add more utility talents to spheres, things like shadowboxing and read the rhythm should help with that.

>>51479348
No. I'd rather just use ToB every time.

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>>51479319
Anon, that's not an unpopular opinion
That's just being factually incorrect.

>>51479348
not really, not its popular to hate it and praise SoM as the new savior of Martials

So for the Assassins game is it too odd of a backstory to have my assassin only recently arrive on Golarion?

The idea is he lived on Somal, Golrion's Moon, in the City of the Faceless. He recently scrounged up enough money by raiding the moon scar to purchase a Greater Teleport off the moon down to Golarion.

His entire back story would have been in the weird halls of the penal colony in and out of half-fiend 'entertainment' houses doing dirty work for the abyssal folks there. The City of the Faceless seems like it'd be a rough place.

It would also be how he got his symbiote, during a trip into the Moonscar he would have been infected.

Does that sound too stupid?

>>51479300
If They didn't want the bonus to stack, they should have made it typed.

As is, that FAQ reads "we fucked up and don't want to admit it, so we'll claim untyped bonuses weren't explicitly intended to stack instead of telling players to stop trying to cheese".

>>51479296
I honestly enjoy 1pp-only games
Fuck CRB-only though

>>51479391
>>51479381
please stop making greentext and comments at me
argue at each other
I'm not the earlier guy and am just putting the rules out in front of everyone so they can see that if one bonus has a type and one doesn't they do in fact explicitly stack

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So! How was your weekend, /pfg/? Do anything fun or exciting, game-related or otherwise?

>>51479419
I had assumed that the person dragging it into the new thread was the person making wild, bullshit claims. That was not in fact the case, so my bad. At the same time, why bother pulling shit to the new thread when it's wrapped up on the old one?

>>51479447
Dragongame has actually started.

So that's neat.

>>51479447
Game I joined recently had the DM absent for the two out of the first three sessions, so not a whole lot.

>>51479255
Because they want someone to carry on their legacy, same as anyone else.

Unless of course they're Tieflings who swear vows of celibacy to avoid passing on their tainted blood to the next generation.

>>51479296
I actually like Golarion.

>>51479129
I've not played an Evil game yet.

>>51479454
well, in case you didn't see it and moved to the new thread
I had hoped it would eludicate and clear up any misunderstanding or doubt of the rules that the other guy had and you needing to look it up
apologies that it seemed to be drawing your ire as opposed to helping clear the air

>>51478458
> Rubio would probably rub Corwin the wrong way

Nah, Corwin's seen some shit, but he still loves tales of adventure and heroism as much as anyone; because that's what war is truly like.

His experience must have been abnormal; they wouldn't make war sound cool and shit if it really sucked? Would they?

>>51479296
I hate familiars, animal companions, summons... I have enough to manage with my own character now you want me to keep track of 2/3 to a whole other character? Fuuuuck that.

>>51479599

Seems to me like Corwin and Casimir might get along real well, considering they've both seen combat and know what it means to be on the battlefield.

For those of you who missed the new game in the last thread.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67969/when-the-sun-falls

>>51479447
Started up the two RotJR PbPs. Now I just have to keep consistently posting instead of just moping on /tg/ after work.

>>51479731
Has he fixed stupid character creation rules yet?

>>51479768

They're not stupid.

>>51479763
Fastest pbp I have ever played was one post a day minimum, you should be fine.

>>51479763

Ooh, that's so exciting! Has anything cool happened yet? Tell us! Tell us!

>>51479774
You are right they are outright moronic and show a very shallow understanding of the game and how to enforce balance and forcing anyone wanting to get into the game in earnest to make four different characters in order to hopefully do one archetype the best, or to gamble on being the best in one specific archetype. How do you consider this reasonable design?

>>51479380
Any thoughts on this?

>>51479777
Yeah, but I haven't posted today, and now my players know I'm procrastinating!
>>51479797
Just some introductions.
Essie and Omza are chatting, Amandia's listening to a story from Shizuka, Kyler is in awe of the crowd. Shoarn hasn't posted yet.
Ossana and Beriaden had a conversation - they knew each other from Magnimar. Shanna's chilling on a roof, Takaonna's hanging out with the crowd, Nico's making a delivery to an inn.

>>51479828
One application per player. I don't think the GM wants everybody applying for every slot. I think they want people applying for one.

>>51479847
That is even worse.

>>51479876

Then don't apply, fuckface.

>>51479885
I was not planning to unless those stupid rules changed. Hence asking.

>>51479840

That's so sweet! Sounds like everyone is having fun expressing their characters and their personalities. I hope the same could be said of the upcoming sessions!

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>>51479129

How many iterations have your characters gone through?

Onryou used to be part of a traveling exorcist team that got ripped to shreds by a powerful demonic cat. She then limped into varisia training in martial arts to try to prevent that from ever happening again.

>>51479840
I'm honestly kinda disappointed Rubio and Omza didn't end up getting in on the same party. Would have been fun to see the love triangle play out.

>>51479847
The one application wasn't earlier, until it was pointed out that you had to write 4 characters to have a chance.

That said, he's now just changed it to encourage 11th hour applications. There's no reason to apply until the last second, because you have a better chance if you apply in the least-wanted slot. Doesn't matter if you want to defend it, it's pretty awful for anyone who wishes to actually play.

>>51480071

Oh hush, I want to play Guts and Ranger and I will apply to both.

>>51480059
Lookin' kinda Mileena there.

I used something similar to Rubio in an urban game, but ducked out early before he really got rolling. Not a great loss, the GM was kind of a dick.

>>51480088

Part of the original reference was Mileena Maw. I even asked for it. Odd how the picture i use more ended up not having it. at least not as prominent.

>>51480087
Then do so close to the deadline? I'm just saying. His system has encouraged you to hold your cards until the end. If you don't show your hand until he has to pick, then no one can try to pull the rug out from under you. He's actively encouraged being a shitbag. Embrace it.

>>51479129
This is your reminder that if you want SoM to be a book where martials actually get nice and/or impressive things out of combat at high levels, leave a comment on the doc to say so. People are already coming out of the woodwork on that doc to stop martials from having nice things.

>>51480146

Are you implying I'm not able to beat even later applicants due to merit?

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>>51480167
Posting pic related for what a level 15 martial character should be like.

>>51480175
I'm saying you have a better chance if you see all of the competition first. You're basically being handed the option to look at your opponent's playbook.
If you think that you can outwrite literally anyone else, regardless of applicant, experience or skill, go for it.
But I somehow doubt it.

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>>51480202
>>51480167
Also pic related: Beowulf swimming for seven days and nights across the open ocean and killing nine sea monsters on the way, just to win a bet.

>>51480202

I thought Thor was a woman?

>>51480265
No, that was Thor, not Thor.

>>51480251

So I should never apply to any game ever because other people will read my application and improve on it? Anon please.

I'm new to this, how do DEX characters actually deal damage?

>>51480202
>>51480254
I just want to be able to turn inside out when I rage and throw spears from between my toes.

>>51480299
Either massive amounts of attacks (gets fucked over by DR unless you're an archer, then you get Clustered Shots), or a way to get dex to damage, like the Unchained Rogue's Finesse Training.

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>>51480167
>>51480254
>>51480202
Also pic related: Heracles redirecting the course of a mighty river in a single day to clean out the Augean stables.

>>51480297
No, because not every game has absurd requirements, where two similar characters cannot be in the same party, because the GM is anal.

This game, in specific, encourages that though. At no point am I ever referring to talking about a grander scope than this game. Or any game that says "I have these 4 slots. These are your creation rules for each slot. I have types. If you fulfill my types, you probably get in. BUT, you can only apply to one of them!"

>>51480299
>I'm new to this, how do DEX characters actually deal damage?
>>51480332
In particular, if your DM allows 3rd party feats, Deadly Agility from Path of War gives dex to damage with no frills.

Other than that, look elsewhere for sources of damage like sneak attack.

>>51480284
>Thor, not Whor

Fixed.

>>51480332
>I just want to be able to turn inside out when I rage and throw spears from between my toes.

Then let the authors of the SoM preview doc know that!

>>51480299
What options are open to you?

>>51480405
All Paizo. I'm trying to make a Goblin Slayer themed around Don Quixote.

>>51480284

Aren't there like seven Captain Americas?

Isn't Captain Britain a proud Muslim woman with a hijab and wielding Excalibur?

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>>51480420

>>51480358

Uhh, excuse me? Hercules and Beowulf were MYTHIC, not MARTIAL.

Wait hold on, do you people actually consider teiflings to be monster girls?

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>>51480440
No no, the other kind of Goblin Slayer.

>>51480439
>Aren't there like seven Captain Americas?

Yes.

>Isn't Captain Britain a proud Muslim woman with a hijab and wielding Excalibur?

Yes. That's not the same person as Captain Britain, whoever, who is a muscled tall white guy.

(Comics do this kind of reusing names crap constantly.)

>>51480460
>Beowulf
>mythic

No, he was just an incredibly competent and powerful warrior. There was nothing metaphysically special or divine or godly or whatever about him. He was just super badass.

>>51479296
I wear metal shirts to every game because I heard that it's a red flag and I want to warn people I am a that guy.

>>51480498

He was Mythic, anon. Explicit.

Grendel is statted in Pathfinder and he's a Mythic foe.

>>51480420
Alright for paizo melee finesse damage you have vigilante, unchained rogue, or feat chains with very specific weapons, you also will want to take, Piranha Strike, vigilante will be your best bet if you want to do damage, as their finesse option well not giving you dex to damage will give you class level to damage instead. Unchained rogue will give you dex and a half damage on weapons you two hand however. And Piranha Strike is your version of power attack.

>>51480481

Which Captain Britain is more representative of Captain Britain or even more popular?

Because from the news it seems like the Muslim girl's the new "true" Captain.

>>51480480

Anon... Why are you playing a goblin.

>>51480529
Why the hell should I care about what Paizo thinks martials should be able to do?

>>51480529
You don't have to Mythic to kill Mythic things. You just have to be super hardcore.

>>51480400
I actually can't load the preview docs because my shitty laptop will burst into flames.

>>51480591
Does adamantine overcome Dr/mythic?

>>51480599
Steal the computer of someone you don't like and use theirs.

>>51480607
That's what just doing even more damage is for.

So, I died at level 10

Sadface, shit happens.

Roll up a Gunslinger/Fighter/Paladin build.

Didnt try any harder to minmax then on my newly deceased character.

New character is fucking too powerful.

Four attacks with like +25 to damage, with haste and a couple buff spells. +20 to hit touch AC within 40 ft with Distance on pistol.

Feel like I need to kill this character off now, feels bad.

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>>51480569
Style.

>>51480555
However I think you mean you are playing a slayer as in class now as per this post.
>>51480480
If that is the case three levels of unchained rogue is the better choice unless you want to change to pure vigilante

>>51480607
No, but that's why he grappled Grendel instead of swording him. We just need a talent for ripping limbs off someone you grapple well enough.

>>51479380
>>51479832
Don't reply to him! This is DHB.

>>51480628
How? And which gun rules are you using?

>>51480578

Because you're claiming Hercules or Beowulf are what Paizo martials should be when both of them were MYTHIC.

>>51480628
>four attacks
>25 damage each
>level 10
>too powerful

What? That's kind of shitty. Have you looked at what a cookie-cutter MAXIMUM STRENGTH barbarian with Power Attack can do? Level 10 is even right when they get Greater Beast Totem.

>>51480652

Isn't that backstory Isekai bull poop anyway?

Ooh, someone tell me where the Assassin's game takes place and I can squirt out some concepts~

>>51480694
>what Paizo martials should be

I don't care about Paizo. I care about SoM producing characters that are as capable as SoP characters and not weaker just because "martials are only allowed nice things if they're wizards who use swords sometimes".

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Five days till the first session of the new game and i'm starting to freak.

The Avowed fucking sucks

Who thought this was a good idea?

>>51480725
>sucks

Why do you say that?

>>51480557
The Mohammedan harlot, of course.

She's even favored by King Arthur, from what I understand. Because it wasn't like one of King Arthur's biggest things was fighting off invading cunts like her, no sir.

>>51480725
>it's another 'anon doesn't understand avowed' episode

>>51480715
>Isn't that backstory Isekai bull poop anyway?
Do you not know what Isekai means?

>DHB makes himself a super cool mutant assassin with a hot half-demon girlfriend
I can't believe this guy isn't just fucking with us and wants to ERP.

>>51480661
Gunslinger 1/Fighter 3/Paladin 6
Mysterious Stranger is Cha to damage with a deed
Which I could just not use.

Trench Fighter gives the range progression feats and dex to damage in 3 levels.

Divine Hunter gives a couple range feats as well as the regular paladin stuff.

Had level 10 starting wealth 62,000

+6 cha headband, +2 cha for human and +2 from levels 28 charisma. +9 Damage

Belt of dex put me up to 20 dex, +5 Damage

Always fighting demons so smite is almost never not an option. Only a couple times a day but shit, I did 200 damage to a big demon fucker that for what its worth was smashing me in the face.

Shit just snowballed. He just sent us mythic as well. All said with mythic rapidshot with fleet charge its 6 attacks, which was definitely too much.

Feel bad for overshadowing, just want to go back to a caster and debuff stuff.

>>51480059
My first attempt at a pathfinder character was when I was brand spanking new to the system, and I was trying to see if I could have a doll companion through which I could channel magic to attack with, or if there were any similar magical things to that. At the time, I couldn't figure it out, and the best I was getting was "yea you need 3pp and lots of refluffing for anything like that". Shit got scrapped and consolidated into the alchemist I'm playing right now.

Mechanically, still don't have what I was looking for, which sucks.

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>>51480719
Speaking as a team member, there's just some things magic can do that punching can't; you can't really summon something in a marital fashion, you can't really teleport in a martial fashion, and other things like that.

While the talents are probably a touch weaker, we might make up for this with doing more talents, as there's a lot of discussion going on about balancing things the proper way.

>>51480766

Isn't Isekai where the main character is an outsider?

>>51480830
Summoning I can buy, but no teleportation? Is that just long range, or short range too, because flash-stepping is a thing even 1pp martials can get. By which I mean monk. Monk can flash-step.

>>51480852
But anon, Monks /ARE/ magical!

>>51480706
Yea but that +25 isnt even with smite, it gets up to like +33, and the 4 attacks can actually be 6 if I use fleet charge and mythic rapid shot.

He sent us mythic. So I do feel like hes kind of expecting it but, I feel like its too much.

All from 40ft away with Paladin saves, I have like +20 to all my fucking saves.

>>51480720

Freak? I'm excited! So excited!

>>51480845
Isekai is where your character is reborn into another world. Often a character from earth being transported to a fantasy realm.

>>51480863
Is it a bad thing that I want to hurt you right now? Because I think you deserve to be hurt.

>>51480720

Which slut or manwhore is yours?

>>51480852
There's a difference between flashstepping and teleportation, anon. One is simply moving very fast. Of relevance is the space in between, whereas a teleporter doesnt give a fuck.

>>51480887
Monks are magical though. What else would you call them?

>>51480876

And that's exactly what that backstory is?

>I'm a weirdo from the moon who comes to Golarion and uses my skills acquired in DOOM to be the best assassin!

>>51480887
I want to hurt me too! Because I know someone will say that unironically as if it was a legit reason.

>>51480807
If it's couple of times a day you are what you could consider a glass canon. By mythic standards that is nothing unusual. At least you aren't firing out sure-kill spells that devastate half a nation in a single fireball or break the sound barrier as a barbarian.

>>51480830
>you can't really teleport in a martial fashion

You're equating capabilities and methods, though. You don't have the method of teleportation, at least long-range, but you can still have the capability of fast long-range travel with things like Hulk jumping.

>>51480887
Well he's right. Sort of.

They use a supernatural energy.

>>51480265

You mean a woman was Thor, yes.

>>51480481
Ugh, when did that happen? I expected CB to be more about representing Britain's ideal identity, the same way Captain America does for the US.

Couldn't she be another British superhero?

>>51480460
Well, at level 15, the wizard can create demiplanes, locate anything the gods themselves don't hide, open holes that dump anyone there into an actual hell (temporarily) bind herald-level outsiders to service or assume the form of an elder dragon. Some of those s/he can do in a few seconds.

A martial at a comparable level of power should be akin to a mythic creature, because this is what his peers are doing at that level. If the wizard can create a wall of solid iron in 6 seconds, I can expect a warrior of similar power to be able to make a hole in it in comparable time.

>>51480760

Britain is a Muslim country and the mythology should and must reflect that, get over losing the demographics war, grow up, and maybe you'll find a girl willing to get within twenty feet of your tiny white junk.

>>51480830
>you can't really summon something in a marital fashion
Have you never heard of sex with the person you married in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation?

RotJR starts this week and I'm still scratching my head on what to finish up buying. What off the wall things for under 100 gold do you tend to forget to buy?

>>51480830

See >>51480932 for the line of thought I like.

>A martial at a comparable level of power should be akin to a mythic creature, because this is what his peers are doing at that level. If the wizard can create a wall of solid iron in 6 seconds, I can expect a warrior of similar power to be able to make a hole in it in comparable time.

>>51480898
So I misused the word. Monks can teleport, because Abundant Step is Dimension Door.
>>51480900
>>51480909
>>51480931
Monks are martial characters though, not mages. Sure, they have access to magical abilities, but you can't say "Teleportation doesn't belong in Spheres of Might," because Monk is a class that does belong in Spheres of Might and it can teleport.

>>51480947

Food, utensils, knick-knacks.

Look at the other sheets and use them as inspiration.

>>51480903
He isn't reborn into another world.

The City of the Faceless has been in the setting for years.

Isekai means like a different dimension. If someone from a moon colony came to earth it isn't "reborn into a different world" anymore than traveling to another continent is.

>>51480830
>you can't really summon something in a martial fashion

Sure you can. You pull out your big horn and you let out a TOOT so loud that your huge army ten miles away can hear you, and they send you relief packages via catapult.

>>51480786
>hot half-demon girlfriend
What?

>>51480932

Why is Thor suddenly a title and not a person?

Also, what happened to Fem!Thor? I thought she was still around and the flagship thing?

Also, Britain's ideal identity is embodied in an immigrant Muslim woman.

>>51480973
That's not what marital means, anon. You can't marry a huge army.

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>>51480852
That's a supernatural ability. We can have faster movement, but actually materializing yourself in a different location is something entirely different.

>>51480921
I'm saying exact teleportation to the letter of the word; we have stuff for jumping and such, although we're trying to keep the mythic stuff to legendary talents. So being able to jump like would be more in that scale.

>>51480951
This is fair, this is something I can use more as a basis of comparison.

>>51480973
...yeah, that's fair.

>>51480945
I haven't.

Oh, also the Barroom sphere is also going to be our 'drunken master' sphere.

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>>51476789
>Blood Money/Sacred Geometry/Magdh

If GMs didn't want those in their games, they'd just ban them outright.

>>51480966

>Isekai means like a different dimension. If someone from a moon colony came to earth it isn't "reborn into a different world" anymore than traveling to another continent is

This is a medieval setting, have you seen how fantastical people perceived places hardly 200 miles away, let alone 2,000?

A man from Tian Xia traveling to Kalsgard might as well have entered a new dimension.

>>51480852
Magic and pseudo-magic should be given by classes (such as Monk), not fighting styles.

>>51481012
Not for an adventurer. You're level 5 and gestalt. You have a lot of mobility for travel.

Especially since travel is magical in nature often. Teleportation will get you across the world for less than 1k gp.

>>51481007
>Blood Money

Why is blood money bad again?

>>51480852
>>51480962

If we are speaking purely mechanically, teleportation mastery allows a fighter (or another martial) to use a similar ability as long as they have the right magic item.

There is also the wizard VMC for the teleportation subschool, but that to me fluffwise means the character has at least some arcane training.

>>51480987
I think Thor is at least partly an office in the Marvelverse. Mjolnir's original inscription was "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

>>51480987
>Why is Thor suddenly a title and not a person?

Thor is both a title and a name. Previously Thor was Thor, but then temporarily Thor was not Thor but was only Thor, and someone else was Thor for a while.

It's a callback to old comics where anyone else who is worthy to use the hammer could potentially gain a copy of Thor's powers while using it.

>>51481003
>although we're trying to keep the mythic stuff to legendary talents

Ugh, please no. Pretending that a martial character being able to do cool things is "unrealistic", while acting like a spellcaster character being able to create demiplanes or lift castles with their mind, is just repeating Paizo's shitty treatment of martials, and kills the entire point of having an SoM book in the first place.

A level 10 or 15 or whatever character is ALREADY the equivalent of real-world myths and legends. A level 10 wizard can summon angels. A level 10 alchemist can turn into a knockoff version of the Hulk. Why can't a level 10 guy without magic do comparable

The only way I'm going to use the final version of this book is if I can make an SoM character who's at least roughly comparable to what an SoP character can do, even at high levels.

>>51480973
That's not a martial ability you dangus. Thats a leadership ability. Why is a martial more inclined to that ability than anyone else?

>>51481026
>he's never watched Ranma 1/2

Try again.

>>51481029

So what if I'm level 5 and gestalt? Does that mean I'm suddenly a world traveling wise man because I can get a wizard to cast fly on me?

>>51481042
For stuff like:
>masterwork transformation
Makes value in exchange for strength damage.
>visualization of the body/mind
+5 to skills in exchange for 1 strength damage
>resurrection
10 strength damage for a free res
>wish
All you need is a whale and you can manage it.

>>51481007
>Magdh
What's that?

>>51481068
>Never watched decades old anime

>>51480807
How are you reloading?

>>51481061
Because it goes all the way back to 1e D&D, where high level fighters got free castles and followers specifically to counterbalance high level wizards have stuff like Wish.

Gygax & co already had this shit figured out, man. WotC dropped the ball with 3e.

>>51481007
You'd think that, wouldn't you! But no, the Bathe Yourself in Blood GM thinks you should be able to know what your GM wants and doesn't want, and if you don't know then you're shit!

>>51481042
See that spell that has a high material component cost? Congratulations, now it doesn't! Just buy a Wand of Lesser Restoration, or cast it yourself if you're a healing witch, or have someone cast it on you if you still have friends, and all of your spells are free!

>>51481068
Golarion isn't in half a Ramma either you nerd

>>51481074
No it means you can afford to travel the world easily and strong enough to do so.

If you're level 5 and gestalt you've lived in interesting life to get to that point. That often includes traveling.

At the very least you received contact to go to Absalom to become an assassin. Plus you need to be good/famous enough to attract these folk's attention.

>>51481056
Dont even TRY and pretend that legendary talents being sectioned off is comparable to paizo's shittery.

>>51481042
Inferior to false focus.

>>51481088
Fey with a stupid strong Fey Obedience. +4 untyped bonus to all Knowledge Skills, doesn't even have fun flavor, it's just draw some dots on your face and throw coins in a bowl of water.

>>51481092
>Being this young
Are you sure you are old enough to post here?

>>51481141
>100 gp spells for free
>literally any spell for free
hehe xd

>>51481103
M8 I dont wanna have to have a fucking castle and army just because im a fightman.

That whole 'you become leader of some organization' shtick being baked in was retarded.

>>51481142
>>51481088
All int skills*, got confused with Irori's deific obedience.

>>51481080
>All you need is a whale

You have to use your own blood though. I get the first 3 though. That is kinda bleh.

>>51481116

They are not free, they still have a cost. I do see the wand trick though.

>>51480760
>implying the Welsh Artur would have any hatred for an enemy of the detestable Saxons

>>51481142
>+4 untyped bonus to all Knowledge Skills
All Int based skills, not all knowledge

>>51481158
>Doesn't lich
Pleb

>>51481007
Well if you have the brains for Sacred Geometry kudos for you, you deserve your metamagic you lifeless bastard. As for bloodymoney: I think a homerule to limit it would be in place. No idea what a Magdh is, but going to assume that it gives you a mythic level, five extra levels and a +20 to all spell DCs.

>>51480830
"A touch weaker" is ignoring that many of the SoP talents give you new things that don't depend on skill checks or attack rolls. Only needing to worry about saving throw DCs has a big cumulative effect.

>>51481122

Yeah, traveling between Kintargo and Magnimar, or Restov and Daggermark, or Katheer and Oppara.

Not the Moon and Golarion, not Kasai and Kalsgard, that's level 12-15, not 5.

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>>51481178
>You have to use your own blood though. I get the first 3 though. That is kinda bleh.
Magic Jar into the whale, silent/still alter self into human, use spell.

>>51481157
The minimum age doesnt fucking age with you, grandpa.

>>51481206
>Not the Moon and Golarion, not Kasai and Kalsgard, that's level 12-15, not 5.
I mean sure if he took a ship.

Taking a teleport spell from Kasai to Kalsgard is perfectly within a level 5's abilities. You can literally just pay a wizard to send you out of pocket.

>>51481196
Magdeh gives +4 on all int skills for a feat.

>>51481184

He would have hated both, actually.

A greater threat does not tie people together, it simply makes you more observant on whether or not your friends are sleeping with the enemy.

>>51481196
Problem is, there's calculators and programs to do that shit for you, so you don't even deserve it anymore.

>>51481211
Do you happen to have Intrigue Archetypes or Asian Archetypes: Martial (both by Legendary Games)?

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>>51481056
We're trying to balance SoM against SoP, not the unreasonable levels of power of 1p casters. It seems like you're wanting something that we're not attempting to do here.

>>51481202
There's also no resource aside from focus here. I'll admit that I'm not big on 'no resource means worse ability', but we're trying to make martial characters more enjoyable, and it sounds like a lot of people want us to make martial characters who are getting 'spells', which isn't the design goal here.

>>51481212

Why do I even bother playing this game.

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>>51481088
>>51481142
>>51481177
>>51481188
>>51481234
How is this a problem? Haven't we all learned that taking a FEAT just to raise SKILLS is fucking garbo?

>>51481206
By level 5 in Jade Regent you're already halfway over The Crown of the World.

Traveling over the crown over the world by caravan is harder than getting teleported from tCotF to Golarion. Shit you're dumb.

>>51481254
Because a feat is normally +3 to 1 skill.

This is +4 to all Int Skills. That is not only worth a feat, it's so good it is mandatory for skill monkeys.

>>51481246
It's not difficult by around level 10 it becomes busy work because you can't fail.

>>51481271
this

>>51481254
It really depends on what you're using those SKILLS for. And if it's a single FEAT to raise a minimum of 10 SKILLS, then that's a fantastic deal.

>>51481164

Well, at the time it came in, every class was getting flunkies and a base at some level. It was probably leftovers from D&D's wargaming roots.

That said,if the martial is a champion in an army or warband, then chances are they are trained how to fight together with other warriors, so the leadership aspect of the training is baked in. A soldier, knight, barbarian etc might have it - not strictly because they are martials, but because they are warriors.

Not every warrior might have that, naturally - a master duelist or assassin probably would not. Then again, not every great wizard might care for necromancy or illusions.

You can say the issue is that the power scale on which we set the classes is different for warriors and (full) casters. If level 15 is to really mean something, level 15 characters of all classes should be roughly comparable in how epic and incredible their exploits are.

>>51481254
>>51481271
Note there are 13 Int skills normally.

That's a total bonus of +54 at level 1 vs +6 for skill focus at level 10.

>>51481231

What kind of lily-livered ingrate uses magic every time they want to travel between locations, and pay someone to do it for them.

It's like... What's even the point of Jade Regent? We're going to be level 5 adventurers when Brinewall Legacy finishes, why don't we pay a wizard to teleport us to Kasai?

>>51481292
And that is before traits and feats that make it even better.

>>51481292
I'm retarded, it's +52, not +54.

>>51481300
The wizard is, apparently, too busy mind-swapping with a whale to make loads of money for him to teleport you.

>>51481258

Crown of the World is Book 3, you only get halfway through it by level 8.

>>51481300
That's not really the point here. We're talking about the moon to golarion. What do you want him to do? Build a shit and launch himself to Golarion?

Or maybe go into the Moonscar, go into the abyss, fight through the abyss to the world wound and fight his way out of the world wound.

You'd have to be retarded not to go for the teleport option.

>>51481248
I don't want spells, I just don't want martials shackled to a system that spellcasters get to ignore.

If the spellcaster can fly, the martial should at least be able to Jump Good and leap over huge chasms without a problem.

If the spellcaster can breathe underwater, the martial should be able to hold his breath for hours while fighting his way through a sunken city.

If the spellcaster can summon minions, the martial should be able to round up capable warriors and use his sheer presence and might to exhort them into performing deeds they'd normally find impossible.

If the spellcaster can create pocket planes, the martial should be able to tear open planar boundaries with sheer might.

If the spellcaster can slow time to a crawl, the martial should be able to move so Goddamn fast that he can keep up anyway.

>>51481320
Ah, thought it was book 2. My bad.

Still though. Saying someone can't afford an interplanetary teleport at level 5 is silly.

>>51481122

>At the very least you received contact to go to Absalom to become an assassin. Plus you need to be good/famous enough to attract these folk's attention

I wish my character was so cool as to be from the moon...

How can a Golarion-bound assassin even compete?

>>51481333
Why? Shouldn't they both have things that make them unique but better.

>>51481333
So you want to homogenize everything and play a refluffed caster? No, they shouldn't do the same things. There should just be more things that they can do that casters can't, which a Pathfinder system issue. If you're looking for homogenization, play D&D 4e, it's everything you've ever dreamed of.

>>51481352
By doing something cool on golarion?

>>51481333
I agree with you up until the summoning, then I don't agree with you again until So Goddamn Fast (AKA [Ex] Haste).

>>51481328

I want him to scrap the moon idea entirely, it's dumb as hell and just goes to show why DHB has failed to get into every campaign he applied to.

>>51481372
Why, what's wrong with Distant Worlds? Distant worlds is full of cool stuff.

>>51481370

What can rival being a demon-slaying moon badass with a half-demon girlfriend?

>Oh, I slit some throats in Oppara I guess?

>>51481369
>>51481356
So tell me, what would you give martials that ISN'T just "buy more magic items" or "you get more numbers in combat"?

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>>51481333
Most of these are in the realm of legendary talent for what we have planned, which means they will actually be in the system. If your game wants to play at those levels, these options will be available to you, which is a part of our design goal.

>>51481122
>>51481352
Which is curious because Moon-Hopper's goal is to earn enough gold to settle down but at level 5 you can settle down wherever you damn well please and earn a good living.

>>51481369
>anyone who wants to play Heracles is actually just a dirty wizard-lover

>>51481383

I love Distant Worlds too but using it for a mid-level assassin game set in Absalom is about as dumb as playing a Tien Samurai in Kingmaker - no, it's even dumber.

>>51481386
Actually in his back story he managed to kill 1 half-fiend with the help of his two mentors. Everyone else he killed were street gangsters, money lenders, etc.

At least read the backstory before memeing it m8. There is plenty of good material there.

Like this stupid fucking:
>save a guy's life once so convinced him to join forces after they almost killed each other

>>51481397

Friendly reminder that a house costs 1.2k and a shop is 700 gp.

Friendly reminder that an Academy + Mansion barely exceeds 10k.

>>51481391
>at these levels

If legendary talents are just "everything over level 5 or 10", why separate them? Then you're just perpetuating "martials don't get nice things without 3pp book", except it's a 3pp book to your own 3pp book.

>>51481397
Spent all the money on the teleportation probably.

>>51481422
Friendly remind that those generally wouldn't be up-front costs and you could work with banks to pay off debt just like in real life. That a level 5 PC could probably very easily make 1.2k gold in a year.

>>51481397
Moon-hopper also wants to get rid of his symbiote, the reason he can do assassin things.

>>51481417

>He's on the moon
>Doesn't actually do any Moon things with it

WHY
IS
HE
ON
THE
MOON
THEN?

This is like saying I'm from Kalsgard and do absolutely nothing in my backstory to imply I'm an Ulfen, my circumstances were Ulfen, or I even have any association with the region beyond a name! You could replace tCotF with Cassomir and his backstory don't change!

>>51481459
>This is like saying I'm from Kalsgard and do absolutely nothing in my backstory to imply I'm an Ulfen, my circumstances were Ulfen, or I even have any association with the region beyond a name! You could replace tCotF with Cassomir and his backstory don't change!
Did you actually read his back story?

He became an assassin for half-fiends and got his symbiote from them and did gang wars there. Also smuggled and stole shit from the moon scar.

No actually though, did you read the backstory because it'd have to change quite a bit if he left the moon.

>>51480477
If they're essentially catgirls/kitsune/sheep girls with a different stat block, yes.

Also if they have cloven hooves.

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>>51481426
Because these are issues we wish to gate off for previously stated reasons. We're attempting to do unique things with martial characters here, and part of that involves working within the balance we're attempting to meet.

I'm going to copy what I said in the GitP thread to tell you what my ideal design goals are here:

"I can only speak for myself here, but really, this is to give martial characters more in combat options aside from full attacks. While we're also looking to give out of combat options, in combat options are the majority of what we're looking to do here. We've talked about doing things for out of combat stuff more, but we're really looking to make combat more dynamic. Scoundrel can throw sand in the eyes, make an attack, steal the weapon from an attack, and smack them with it all in the same round. That's not hyperbole, that's the dirty mugging talent and the counter theft talents; two talents which could be done from first level if needed."

Legendary talents allow you to do things outside of the normal bounds, that's their design goal. If that doesn't work for you, then it seems you may not like SoM. That's fine, we already know the system won't be for everyone, and it seems like what you want is outside of the scope of what we're designing.

>>51481459
He did do moon things. He worked for demons, didn't fight them.

>>51481097
Rapid Reload, Alchemical Cartridges

>>51481387
Could give them the ability to inspire eachother, debuff enemies, control battlefield positioning. Take away some of the power casters have monopolized so you can give it to martial classes and make them unique veins of the same system, and with spheres this even gives you the option do to hybrids like a red mage that can do both but not as well as someone focused.

>>51481486

Of course I didn't read his backstory, how am I supposed to do that on a phone without a link?

Just because I didn't read his backstory does not mean I should be excluded from having an opinion!

>>51481533
> in combat options are the majority of what we're looking to do here

That kind of kills my interest in the whole idea, because that's what PoW did and that's what PoW did wrong.

The whole reason people started talking up SoM on /tg/ was because they said it would do things better than PoW did.

>>51481409
Hercules never did enough squat thrusts to teleport.

>>51481558
desu same

I just want to meme another character.

We have:
>NTRDwarf
>NToRacle
>Old Spy
>Punch Fatty
>Gun Monkey
>Moon Hopper

>>51481554
>inspire eachother, debuff enemies, control battlefield positioning

And for stuff that's not just in combat, where PoW already does that kind of thing...?

>>51481600
PoW isnt a default, you dumbo.

>>51481541
So you are bleeding how much gold every full attack? For 100 damage a round? Even a level 10 fighter can hit for 4d6+20 damage with a single attack well within wbl.

>>51481409
Nobody should be Heracles in Pathfinder. Why didn't you say Conan or something?

>>51481628
So I can't be Heracles, but being SUPER MASTER WIZARD OF TIME AND DIMENSIONS is fine? Why?

>>51479129
I'm playing a Hell's Vengeance campaign, pretty fun so far aside from our edgelord necromancer being an edgy fucker.

>>51481628

Hercules is a level 20 / Mythic 10 Brawler.

>>51481600
Out of combat stuff is where skills come in, really martials need more skill points over all, especially fighters.

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>>51481575
Like I said, this was our stated goal from the first day. What I have taken into consideration is a lot of people wanting more utility talents, which have been incorporated into things.

Things like verbal counter, distracting shot, and other more utility options are being added, with the ideal goal of having 3-5 utility options in each sphere.

>>51481558
I'm confused do people actually act like this? Is memeing DHB's characters just a past time now?

>>51480477
Depends on the breed of tiefling, and if they've got feats etc to make use of monstrous features.
A Beastbrood with ways to make use of their charisma? Sure, monstergirl with a tiger focus.
A Pitborn with claws and the feats to have bleed abilities and rending with them? Huge uncanny valley lizard-brain predator fear trigger.

>>51481582

Has anyone else ever produced such memed characters?

>>51481655
That feels really low compared to SoP, where half the spheres have multiple utility abilities built into just the sphere itself, before you even get to talents.

>>51481582
would the kobold whose character art is shittily-cropped porn and whose player uses the same name on F-List (implying it's his fursona) be too low-hanging fruit?

>>51481641
Not even Pathfinder's casters are on the level of Heracles, not even close. The equivalent is like saying you want to play a wizard who is literally Satan.

>>51481674

Pitborn Tiefling could also look like a cute! Cute! Cute Goat girl!

>>51481672

DHB is a national treasure.

>>51481653
>skills

And at level 10, when the bard is getting plusabajillion to all his skills with magic and is making stuff Just Happen with spells like Glibness and Charm Person and Discern Lies, how are my skills supposed to keep up?

>>51481575
The point of both systems was to make fighting more interesting.

Except pow misstepped and fell face first into a pile of mechanical busywork and an irritatingly high optimization ceiling.

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>>51481705
>>51481674

Pitborn also have thighs.

>>51481681
Half the spheres have multiple utility powers because MOST OF THEM ARE FUCKING UTILITY SPHERES.

>>51481681
To be fair, most of the spheres themselves are absolute trash for combat without minmaxing hard for it, and often lend themselves better for indirect combat that makes it easier for the martials

>>51481702
>Not even Pathfinder's casters are on the level of Heracles,
You sir, are retarded. Once they get 6th level spells, most casters can bend and alter reality enough to make Heracles shit himself.

Seriously, tell me ONE thing Heracles can do that a Caster can't accomplish with the right kind of magic?

>>51481706
DHB's unchained fighter can keep up with Versatile Performance with Versatile Training.

>>51481685
woops we're talking about DHB characters, not shitty characters in the assassin game.

NEVER MIND LOL

>>51481702
Let's go through the Labors of Heracles!
1. Slay the Nemean Lion.
2. Slay the nine-headed Lernaean Hydra.
3. Capture the Ceryneian Hind.
4. Capture the Erymanthian Boar.
5. Clean the Augean stables in a single day.
6. Slay the Stymphalian Birds.
7. Capture the Cretan Bull.
8. Steal the Mares of Diomedes.
9. Obtain the girdle of Hippolyta, Queen of the Amazons.
10. Obtain the cattle of the monster Geryon.
11. Steal the apples of the Hesperides.
12. Capture and bring back Cerberus.
So point out which one a Pathfinder caster /can't/ do.

>>51481582
Weren't Onryou and Shizuka somewhat memed originally?

>>51481702
"I wonder how I should clean out these huge Augean stables in just one day? Oh, I'll cast a bunch of Unseen Servant spells, that will do it"

"How am I supposed to kill this monstrous lion that can't be harmed with normal weapobs? Oh, I guess I'll just fly and cast negative energy spells on it"

It's not about "can win in an arm wrestle", it's about what the character can do in play.

>>51481705
>>51481729
>Pitborn Tiefling could also look like a cute! Cute! Cute Goat girl!
>Dem Thighs
Exactly!
Each and every type of Tiefling/Aasimar/Fetchling/Elemental Blooded/Etc can be a Cute monstergirl/boy or some horrible uncanny thing-that-should-not-have-been-born depending on how the outsider blood mixes and manifests.

>>51481736
I seem to recall Hercules taking over for Atlas for a little while.

>>51481749
>>51481739
Yeah it's just this character is easy to meme. No seriously:
>street gangster turned into a mutant assassin by a sexy half fiend is caught between his gang and being an assassin while romancing his half-demon cutie gf

>>51481685
You are forgetting that the DM also has an F-List.

>>51481706
Frankly? They are not that is one of the biggest issues with pathfinder. That is why you should not try to balance martials on that scale and instead make more grounded options that function together and ignore Paizo casting.
Alternatively, you find a gm that will actually make using spells on such things not always optimal by having checks throughout the day, using combats in the same day as other checks multiple combats per day, spells per day are meant to be a limiting factor without them casters will spiral out of control.
Tldr
Do not let the casters dictate the terms of what will happen.

>>51481773
He had to get the apples of the Hesperides, for which he had to bypass a dragon. Atlas could do that, but he couldn't, so he took over holding the sky so Atlas would get the apples, then tricked Atlas into taking the sky back. A wizard could just teleport past the dragon.

>>51481730
Yeah, and that's what I'd like to see for SoM, though apparently it's not going to happen. We already have a million and one ways in 1pp and 3pp for martials to kill gooder, we don't need yet another book adding yet more ways to say "roll an attack and inflict damage and a status debuff that probably won't even work against high level monsters".

>>51481681

Good God this >>51481730 and>>51481736

There is a sphere dedicated to LIGHT. Not holy/unholy light, just your slightly magical Light.
Sure there are talents in there to change it up a bit. But it's still all about the equivalent of a 0th lv spell.

>>51481764
Or you know, they're just cute girls! With prehensile tails for dual wielding pistols! Maybe horns too

>>51481773
That was so Atlas could bring him the Apples, which the Wizard could do himself with either Mage Hand, an AMF on the tree, conjuring a construct or undead, or what have you.

As for Holding the Sky Up, either with a strong enough telekinesis, Wall of Force, or enough Strength buffs. Or maybe just Time Stop the sky or something, considering it was being held up as a physical object

>>51481702

Eh, depends which of his feats. Many are about him defeating various monsters or human armies, definitely doable for a powerful martial character.

There are a few that are more arcane, but it could be explained by how the world there works. Very few are truly impossible for a high-level Pathfinder character.

>>51481844
>I can cast telekinesis with a high enough CL to hold up the motherfucking sky

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>>51481764
>ywn be a thing-that-should-not-have-been-born with innate demonic magic

Why even live?

I don't even HAVE any pics of deformed Tieflings so have this mislabeled Draenei recolor or something.

>>51481844
What if the tree creates an antimagic field?

>>51480477
Absolutely. They're super cute

>>51481835

Don't you want cute lil cloven feet so she goes clippity clop when she does a happy little dance?

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>>51481820
This is what we're trying to do; we want to give you the cinematic combat experience.

I recognize not everyone loves what we're doing here, and we're doing our best to listen to your commentary, but it's important that our design goals be known, and it's not to make martial wizards (I mean kinda with legendary talents, but it's not the base goal). We want to make combat enjoyable without large numbers being the only resort, and we want you to be able to make characters based off of whatever theme you want from the start of the game.

>>51481835
Horns for cute irrumatio!

>>51481911
>based off of whatever theme you want from the start of the game

But that's what level scaling is for. Just make sure that superhuman stuff waits until spellcasters start pulling out the stops around level 5 or 10.

>>51481911
I just wanna say man, even if I dont approve of all you guy's design decisions...

You're smart. You're loyal. I appreciate that. I appreciate what you're doing.

I appreciate you.

>>51481911
Honestly, so long as the legendary talents are baller as fuck I'm happy. Chances are any game I play would likely be allowing them, since there's no real way they could be as gamebreaking as fullcasting or some advanced SoP talents.

>>51481938

Ooh, you stole the thoughts out of my noggin!

>>51481948
"Whatever theme" means "pandering to grognards who want wizards to do whatever they want and fighters to be flunkies", anon.

>>51481938
Or handlebars for when you're going from behind.

>>51481844
>>51481773
>>51481814
>Wizard gives Atlas a thousand Immovable Rods.
gg no re

>>51481874
Considering your average Titan has around 48-49 Str, yea, I'm sure they can with enough metamagic and transmutation.

>>51481890
Then the Apples should not be able to kill people on a touch, since that is obviously a form on supernatural or magical effect.

And even then, the Wizard can just call a Planar Ally, like an Immortal Outsider which would count as a divine being and thus immune to the Apple's curse, to get it for him.

>>51481835
>>51481884
Yes, they can be A.
Or, they can be B.

Point is, not all of them are lucky enough to be cute.

That's the beauty of outsider taint/blessing in the blood.

>>51481938
Too lewd too lewd!

Though I guess I should roll for their tiefling appearance traits...

>>51481956

I don't want anybody else.

When I think about you I touch myself.

>>51481844
Yeah, none of those things work on holding up the fucking sky, sorry. It's still the SKY, it's not something you can hold up with non-godlike power or some other dude would have been doing it.

And yes, Heracles did have god-level power and literally fought and won against GODS. You can't even fucking do that in Pathfinder, no matter what your class is. The game and its designers just tell you no.

>>51481977

Seriously, why wouldn't you want a cute Tiefling girlfriend? She's built for cute, she's built for sex, she's built for all occasions!

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>>51481948
We're attempting to do at least some of that with the +10 BAB stuff, but probably not to the level for which you're hoping.

>>51481956
I really appreciate this; I do want to keep you all informed, I want your voices to be heard, and I'm doing my best to incorporate what you all want into this product because I want everyone to enjoy it. We might not hit the mark perfectly, but as with everything I open playtest, this is made so that you all can get the product you want.

>>51481958
That's the idea, it's gonna be pretty damn hype in that respect, and once we get to the playtest proper, we'll be looking for stuff you all want as legendary stuff, like Hercules level jazz. I should honestly step off the thread for a bit, I'm getting a little exhausted.

>ITT: people bitching that a 3pp dev makes what they want to.

>>51481991
>implying A isn't pretty too

>>51481996
How many times should I roll on the Alternate Physical Features table for each of the twins?

>>51481988
What if it is just a mythical contact poison?
And assuming an outsider you summon will do anything you want is dumb by raw if they are truly called and not summon creature summoned you need to make a deal with them to help you, and they will just leave if you upset them.
It seems a lot of your wizard so op thought comes from not understanding their limitations and listening to memes too much in an echo chamber

>>51482020
If a titan with 60 strength can hold up the sky, why can't a man with 60 strength hold up the sky? That gives us a fairly precise maximum weight for the sky, if we use the "can hold twice your max carry weight over your head" rule and extrapolate the encumbrance chart out to 60.

>>51482023

If she's cute, good.

If she's one of the motherless, I'll fucking pass.

>>51481764
Can Qlippoth-born be cute squidgirls with a third eye on their forehead?

>>51481907
Only if she takes it in the butt before and after said dance.

>>51482033
Incidentally the only design decision thus far I disagree with is Focus. The rest of it is aces by me.

>>51482052
Because your carry weight scales by size category.

>>51482042
woah, redacting that.

This list is horrifying and not cute at all.

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>>51481884

>>51482071
Don't be a bitch do it.

>>51482020
Greek gods and Pathfinder gods aren't even close to the same thing. The Greek gods were powerful, but didn't have Wish on tap or teleportation at will or the ability to casually throw powerful heroes into hell with a wave of a hand.

>>51482052
How do you know atlas only has 60 strength?

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>>51482072

>>51482033
>this is made so that you all can get the product you want
Technically not true since we all want widely disparate things, but we know what you mean! Keep being jolly!

>>51482041
>Reading Comprehension
>>51482057
Sure, or they can be horrible Dunwich Horror type beings. Either way it changes them, though they might both still yearn for a hug.
>>51482071
See! Exactly my point!

>>51482071
>extra long tongue
you know you want it

>>51482068
Oh, good point. I think encumbrance max scales up faster though, so it wouldn't need to be that much higher than 60. Hmm, I should run the numbers...

>>51482091
>High heels instead of graceful hooves that force the proper posture and stance.
Signs of lower class breeding right there, shameful.

>>51482087
See >>51481988. I was being generous by rounding up to 60.

Rolled 38, 43, 86 = 167 (3d100)

>>51482104
>hunchback
>malformed head
>frog legs
>rotting skin
Many of these would be terrible ideas for the twins!

Watch
>inb4 chaos gods spite me

>>51482125
>Atlas is an 'average' titan.
>PF titans are equivalent to the greek protogods

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How acceptable is it for a villain or monster to just want more power for its own sake/for the sake of being able to conquer more efficiently?

I feel that, having read through a few APs, a lot of Paizo's writers are trying too hard to find motivation for villains--not all of them need some secret love for the PCs to find out about in the last 10% of the campaign, and really, they'd be just as interesting as characters if not more so if they just were power-hungry.

Rolled 34, 26, 11 = 71 (3d100)

>>51482134
>Bald
>Ram-like Horns
>Infested
THAT'S NOT A CUTE GIRL

>>51482134
It's almost as if they are meant to have that minus two charisma.

>>51482066

>Sodomizing your cute goat girlfriend

Why?

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>>51482147
>>51482134
See, this is why I prefer the Planescape tables.

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>>51482091

>>51482147
>Suckered Hands
>Canine Muzzle
>Abnormally Long Digits
I consider my point proven

>>51481745
How about when he fucking fought Poseidon and won? Or when he wrestled Zeus to standstill? Or moved a fucking mountain? Keep in mind that while the last one a caster could only do over a massive timespan, Heracles just did it right away to get some fucking cattle. He's not within wizard reach in power level.

>>51482159
>Suckered Hands
>Abnormally Long Digits
Imagine the handjobs.

>>51482150
What, you mean they're not all super hot demon girls made to cater to anon's specific fetishes?

Rolled 72, 100, 10 = 182 (3d100)

>>51482156
This list looks much better

>>51482142
Did you miss the part where Greek gods didn't have the sort of casual omni-power that current D&D/Pathfinder gods have?

Even in early D&D, the deities were more based on actual mythology and so were very strong rather than untouchable. Asmodeus even had stats in the 1e MM as an end-campaign boss monster!

Rolled 31, 53, 96 = 180 (3d100)

>>51482156
fuckit, here we go

>>51482158

What's that outfit called? It's so cute!

Rolled 17, 81, 49 = 147 (3d100)

>>51482156
>Striped Markings
>Fangs
>3 more rolls

>>51482194
Mirror image, long thin tail, speaks some sort of demon language.

LAME AND BORING.

>>51482189
Well that change was mostly to stop God killer builds from my understanding.

>>51482023
Literally Best Waifu Race

>>51482147
>>51482134
>>51482150
Go figure right?

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>>51482020
Then your original argument holds no ground either, since neither can Mythic characters fight against full on Gods since the rules are against them.

Meaning any of those accomplishments of Hercules fighting gods do not count in the argument period, since they happened merely through GM Fiat/houserule since those rules do not exist in PF naturally.

See, you've just refuted your own argument you stupid bastard.

Further, the sky thing itself also cannot be emulated by mythic either, unless you rule the Sky to incorporeal, in which case Wizards have things like Ghost Touch and magics that affect incorporeality.

And this is without going into discussion about powerlevel of the Greek Gods does not necessarily equate to those of the PF Gods

>>51482043
You can get immunity to poisons through magic. The Apple's curse did not affect people grabbing the apples after they were already plucked if you recall as well, so yeah mage hand and similar effects would keep you safe.

Also, considering its either a Planar ally if you are feeling generous, or a Planar Binding where you can strong-arm and outsider to do what you want, the chances of them going "nuh uh" when Heracles was able to convince Atlas with a simple Diplomacy check is completely retarded, considering that such diplomatic ability is neither mythic nor exclusive to any specific character class or ability, and in fact Wizards can even buff their capability to use such things. And that's ONLY if a typical Summon Monster outsider doesn't work either.

Also
>muh echo chamber
thanks for showing you do not have any actual argument cuntjuggler.

>>51482142
>I have no actual argument or basis to stand on, so I shall just do green text implying wihtout even stating how a PF statistical equivilent to Atlas would exist, despite the fact that without such a thing existing this whole discussion is moot and without any solid answer
Holy fuck can you get anymore assmad?

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>>51482158
>>51482199
Tavern Wench

>>51482221

I think tavern wenches are really cute!

Rolled 70, 75, 99 = 244 (3d100)

>>51482156
ONE MORE TIME

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>>51482104

>>51482240
it's a furry that can't even burn in hell, goddamn.

>>51482241
Why is Krampus holding a Tetsubo? Is that just an oni cosplaying Krampus?

>>51482220
So using mage hand in a dead magic zone or forcing an outsider to do something against it's will, it's almost as if you don't understand consequences for your actions.

>>51482151
Because she loves it, dummy

>>51482212
It was more to awkwardly try and keep up with the increasing power scale of characters. See 3.5's Deities and Demigods, where instead of doing interesting things they just gave most of the deities super-Wish at will.

Rolled 74, 20, 96 = 190 (3d100)

Rolling for DHB's tiefling girlfriend appearance

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>assassin game GM
>gestalt level 5

>"Actually this game is low fantasy"
>"Your characters aren't strong in the world"

Jesus Christ, what?

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>>51482240
You passed up a chance to showcase a great inevitable-descendant pair.

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>>51482221

>>51482255
>using mage hand in a dead magic zone

There's spells for that.

I'm not kidding, there really is a spell out there to let you use other spells in antimagic.

>>51482263
Ears: Other
Other: Bleeding Pores
Other: Unnatural Temperature

Funny ears, bleeds from her freckles, is constantly at boiling point.

Is that cute?

Rolled 1 + 1 (1d4 + 1)

>>51482156
Gonna try a roll for number of appearance traits first.

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>>51481705
But what about a cute goat boy?l

>>51482271
How do inevitables reproduce with others? They are constructs.

>>51482271
sic transit