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>>51474191

What is adventurer garb? My character wears traveling gear when he needs to, normal clothes on Downtime, and armor when he expects a fight.

>>51474191
Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

Avowed Playtest 1:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing
Malefex Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing

Spheres of Might previews:
Part 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/
Part 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pyLq03W2ju58PcKOUq5YXoFowf_weBNzuWtjCMdINXk/edit
Part 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-LAt9Ti5pcnvHY4KnFRuItCjqtGM-YJC5r_0zXiKKUk/edit

>>51474525
y'know, chainmail accents, POCKETS AND POUCHES, black or dark brown leather, cloaks.

>>51474191
What the fuck is this dude? Some kinda jewish anime character?

>>51474612

That's not a yarmulke, that's a fez.

He's Moroccan.

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>>51474191
>Do you think "adventurer garb" is fashionable amongst nobility? What quantifies as adventurer garb?
I find it likely that it's seen as fashionable by those nobles that fancy themselves as "explorers" and "heroes". So basically any nobility seen wearing it could easily be called a poser.

As for what it constitutes, I imagine there's three levels. cloth would be intricately designed robes, meant to make you look magical, like a wizard or sorcerer or something.

Then there'd be leather; this'd be the most common to wear for posers, since it doesn't have the "you can't back this up" of magical looking garb and isn't heavy shit like plate armor. lots of belts and straps, pouches for various things, and of course a bow and/or sword, which should also be relatively decorative. Toss in a cloak with a nice, high collar and you're done.

Finally, heavy armor. Likely the one least in use among the nobility as a fashion choice due to its weight and cost, it'd essentially be parade armor - real fancy, but not actually that useful.

I doubt actual adventurers would appreciate the poor attempts to emulate them.

>>51474191
Actual adventurer garb or perceived adventurer garb?

>>51474870
They're nobles; it's the latter.

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>>51474870
>>51474907

I like to imagine the vast majority of images where you're left wondering "What the fuck were they thinking" was actually just nobility posing in fashion.

>>51474952
What if its recursive? Noble imitate nobles then adventurers imitate the nobles.

>>51475003
>Noble imitate nobles then adventurers imitate the nobles.

>Adventurers
>Knowing what passes for noble fashion

How?

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>>51475003
That's how most fashion works. The adventurers would just adjust it so that it's reasonable and usable in combat, I imagine.

>>51475034
Fashion magazines

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>>51475043

>Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

How do orcs know what a menu is? Do they have restaurants in Mordor?

>>51475054
No but elves, men, and hobbits do. They incorporate some words from captured men and occasionally elves to make fun of them.

Men and hobbits mostly just have taverns and inns, but elves have some very fine restaurants that few outsiders know of.

You gotta be an elf-friend for like a century before they even mention it.

>>51475054
They're speaking in Orcish and it's localized.

The literal translation is "Flesh is on the ground! Go!"

>>51475034
They might not (always)be on top of the current fashion trends, but that doesn't mean it won't filter to them eventually.

>>51474531
Reminder that if you want SoM to be a book where martials actually get nice and/or impressive things out of combat at high levels, leave a comment on the doc to say so.

>>51475127
>yfw that's actually a euphemism and they were just all headed to a stripbar.

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>>51475124
>You gotta be an elf-friend for like a century before they even mention it.

Aragorn, did I ever tell you about Elendil? He was the Numenorean founder of Arnor and Gondor during the Second Age, a man of prodigious height and nobility - a big guy, even for you! He was always a friend to the Elves, in fact his name even means "Elf-friend."

And he was a good friend.

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>>51475256

>big guy
>even for you

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>cull all the monster girls from the sky pirates game
>left with only doods

>>51475283
Banedil.
He is going to collapse Arnor with no heirns.

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>>51475336
Does undead even count as monstergirl?

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>>51475354

If I cut that off, will you die?

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What's your favorite edgy assassin game application so far?

Ratgirl seems cute.

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>>51475407

>>51475142

I don't get why they're doing a bunch of almost but not quite reprinting feats as part of talents, instead of just referencing those feats.

>>51475358
of course it does.

>>51475336
Being a pirate is a traditionally masculine profession.

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>>51475565

Wow, sexist and misogynist much? Anything a man can do a woman can too, usually better!

>>51474747
>medieval greasers wearing leather jackets and riding cool exotic mounts

>>51475565
Tell that to Chang Shih.

>>51475579
No they can't.

>>51475579
Alright, Jizz into that urinal over there.

>>51475565
>>51475609
You'd think that, but piracy was actually fairly unisex; you could go a very long way as long as you could carry a gun and look scary, as well as have some other job aboard the ship (usually the cook or treasurer, although some women were recorded as being cannoneers or otherwise always on the combat rounds). The main thing that stopped women being pirates was actually the superstition that if she got pregnant, something would capsize the boat. As such, most women were actually safer from rape than particularly-cute dudes, since you couldn't upset the sea by buttfucking a twink.

Curious, are there any ways to overcome the penalties to being a larger size? I mean a -1 penalty to attack rolls and AC isn't the end of the world, but if I have a simple enough way of bypassing that then all the better.

>>51475336

There is Vera Vonizen as a pure human as well as Mary Oswald. There is only barely more male humans than that. If you include 'Unusual but pretty normal looking' (As a lot of the human-looking males are Aasimar) you can add Jennifer Teague to the female side too.

>>51475625
I was under the impression that there were a lot of reverse trap pirates too.

>>51475625
"Man I'm glad the ocean doesn't care about me raping this twink. Truly the sea is bountiful."

>>51475336
Is monkey with a gun a monster boy?

>>51475625
They aren't unheard of but still greatly outnumbered by men.

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>>51475625

So... The Goddess of Piracy in Golarion... Is a fujoshi?

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>>51475625
You are, historically speaking, correct.

There have been a few famous female pirates. Combat and banditry are typically male professions, but even melee combat on a ship tends to be a fast, brutal, and unarmored affair where strength matters little compared to savagery.

Women can do most of the jobs on a ship with little difficulty, provided they're stocky and strong.

>>51475643
Shrink Person.

>>51475703
>They aren't unheard of but still greatly outnumbered by men.

The exception is always more interesting than the rule, didn't you know that? Female pirates, female pilots, female hackers, they're always more fascinating than those boring white men they often replace.

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>>51475728

>>51475643
You can easily overcome it and turn it into an advantage by using combat maneuvers to attack instead of attack rolls.

Awesome Blow comes to mind.

>>51475746
The point is that if you don't want the penalties of being Large, don't be Large.

>>51475759
Good point. The hard part really is that it's going to drive my Dex even further down than it already is. Last thing I need is my GM getting cheeky and suddenly introducing dex damage because I'm at 5 dex now.

>>51475729

There's like, 3 female pirates of historical note. Two of them are only famous because they were women. The other is perhaps the greatest pirate of all time.

>>51475729
>being female automatically makes you interesting
tumblr go and stay go

>>51475729
>female hackers

It's weird how literally every genius hacker or master chemist on procedural cop dramas are women now.

>>51475625
>couldn't upset the sea by buttfucking a twink.
Let's get a consensus going then. Who's currently the most bum fuggable twink in the Sky Pirates roster?

So how do you reconcile with the fact that DnD was never made for anything other than dungeon crawling but people force it to do everything else

>>51475869
We sit in a corner and cry.

>>51475781
>/pol/, as usual, prove that they're retards with zero reading comprehension

>>51475777
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy

>>51475723
Well women are always vicious, but men tend to not mind/care at all in a lot of "man fields" like construction; it's often other-women more than anything that will try to keep them out of it.

>>51475729
on TV they've been the rule rather than the exception for quite a while, and them pretending they're still the exception on some of those shows is pretty heavy-handed.

however, there's a LOT less women in STEM fields than men - not because of men, but because the women themselves often have less interest.

A lot of them - not all - but a lot of them quickly get the hell out. It's not the men chasing them out, rather, if anything, it's the men failing to run the fuck away with them. The death marches, the insane schedule crunches, being treated like complete shit by those idiots who get paid more than you because their job is to forget their password and say that it's your fault...

Men are willing to put up with far too much if it'll put bread on their family's table.

Which classes are the most likely to be the "Voice of the Party"?

>>51475949
Bards

>>51475902
>A lot of them - not all - but a lot of them quickly get the hell out. It's not the men chasing them out, rather, if anything, it's the men failing to run the fuck away with them.

I don't think that's necessarily accurate, because nursing is as bad or worse than anything in the tech field as far as work-life balance, and yet there's plenty of women there.

>>51475967

What if there isn't one?

>>51475949

Paladins, Bards, Sorcerers.

Usually in that order.

>>51475949
Wizards with Orator.

>>51475949
Sorcerers, bards, oracles, paladins, rogues.

Hey, I'm that one prospective GM from the last thread. I'm going through with it.
https://app.roll20.net/join/1973310/1Vs7wA
New game. Here come the cries of butthurt over the character creation.

>>51475971
In my experence, Female engineers can basically write their own ticket in life, and if you have a way to live without doing engineer work you fucking take it.

They aren't dumb. Hell if that project maniger woman ever gave me some looks I'd quit and just clean her house all day if I could.

If you can get the money some other way, the lifestyle isn't worth it.

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>>51475998
NO YOU FOOL

POST THE LFG NOT THE JOIN LINK

>>51475998
>no 3pp

>>51476034
THAT'S the part that bothers you?

>>51475902
>on TV they've been the rule rather than the exception for quite a while, and them pretending they're still the exception on some of those shows is pretty heavy-handed.

TV shows are usually made by comfy committee cucks living in California who go by the numbers rather than actually making something that might not sell.

Bull, NCIS (all three of them), Lethal Weapon, even MacGuyver are all soulless cash grabs using basic formulae to get people tuning in - it's why they're called PROCEDURAL cop dramas, and these scenes or characters have been stock since the 90s. It's why people still think "the white-haired badass white male lead seems mildly surprised the genius hacker or chemist or mastermind is actually a woman" is a surprising thing to see, or the hacker being an alt-girl and dorky guy is compelling character concepts (I'm looking at you, NCIS Los Angeles and NCIS.)

>>51475802
>mfw I'm tempted to make a magical child fuccboi pirate now

>>51475998

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AUTHORIZED

>>51476005
hahaha, gm deleted

>>51476005
Fuck. I'm bad. You're right. I kicked everybody out. I'll be changing it now. I have to redo everything for the LFG link though.

>>51475902
>not because of men
Not true. If I could find a job without working with these socially awkward freaks I would.

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>>51476004

>mfw dorks bought into the STEM meme and now all the closet furries have money to burn on commissions or fursuits

Boy, and some of them called me a dumbie when I chose a trade that let me spend half of it on an iPad and the other half making 70k a year.

>>51476061

>MacGuyver

please tell me this shit crashed and burned hard

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>>51476004
This.
It's not even sexism, it's "what the fuck have I been doing with my life nothing is worth this".

Hell, my SISTER became a fucking trophy-wife, who now only works part-time at a bakery, and more for the fun of it than anything (she's not in the front serving clients, she actually can bake nowadays. Back in highschool, not so much). Let's just say she maxes out new characters in MMOs at almost twice my speed.

My previous boss (well, two jobs previous now) was relatively plain, and if she'd given me the opportunity to be little more than a human dildo that cooks and cleans, I'd kick what's left of my dignity in the balls, only to realize it's already gone and moved in with her. She was agreeable enough, it would've been a fine fucking life.

There are some things, as we age, that we realize were never worth it, or could have been done better, or would have been worth having but instead we fought against.

But, that's growing up... or, uh, midlife crisis resolution. At some point you learn to accept that you fuck up, that you often have really stupid ideas, and if you haven't killed yourself already years ago, you learn to love yourself for who you are - what's left of you - rather than spend all day hating yourself for not being what you think maybe you'd rather be labled as.

Skinner's often wrong... but also sometimes right.

>>51476061
Somebody's got NCIS on the mind huh?

>>51476119
Dunno if it crashed and burned hard rating-wise (would have to check) but I did see two episodes of it and good gods is it ever bad.

>>51476119
>>51476149

Don't worry, it's still trash - like, I'm talking "wooden acting and PS1 graphics" bad, sprinkled with overly grandiose plots that just sound utterly ridiculous even in this day and age.

>Somebody's got NCIS on the mind huh?

Damn straight, I was into the original and just sorta stuck around when I realized watching bad television is actually better for my noggin than watching porn on the internet.

>>51476126
from?

>>51475625
I was actually making a reference to a song. with "No they can't"

>>51476109
>mrw sixteen year old children are expected to make important decisions about their lives when they have been literally lied to by everyone they ever though had their best interests at heart.

>>51476126
>you learn to love yourself for who you are - what's left of you - rather than spend all day hating yourself for not being what you think maybe you'd rather be labled as.

Is that around the time you also start having very little tolerance for what you'd consider some of that idiocy you've left behind?

Although I guess it's impossible to get a true answer to that question until the current "muh persenal pro nouns" actually gets old enough to go through it.

>>51476216
>urrent "muh persenal pro nouns" actually gets old enough to go through it.
The only people who focus on this are losers on tumbrl/reddit/4chan.

I have never even heard of it in real life.

>>51475998
Okay. Here is the LFG link.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67969/when-the-sun-falls

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>>51476188
... wait.
do... do you mean the picture?
I...
Buh...
...
... I can't. I can't do this. Someone else answer him.

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>>51476126
>>51475971
Allow me to correct you real quick;

Women get into nursing and then get out real, REAL quick. The turnover rate on nurses is insane. A lot of us can't handle the stress and snap.

The only reason I've been a nurse so long is that I am a sociopath and neurologically cannot suffer post-traumatic stress. They pay me extra to tell people that they're going to die in three months, and the other nurses having emotional breakdowns doesn't affect me in the least.

Just wanted to throw that in there.

>>51476242
Guess you graduated from college a few years ago, or at least never went, then?

>>51476251
No, you.
Where do you live?
I'm curious.

Did Onryou and Elsbeth ever do that thing?

>>51476256

>Women get into nursing and then get out real, REAL quick. The turnover rate on nurses is insane. A lot of us can't handle the stress and snap.

Mind you, that applies to men too. It's a fucking horribly stressful job.

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>>51476256

>>51476216
>Is that around the time you also start having very little tolerance for what you'd consider some of that idiocy you've left behind?

Not him, but that's pretty much the truth of it - there's a reason the free love of the 60s grew up into the corporate suits of the 80s, and the ones who never grew up moved to Colorado or Portland.

>>51476242
>I have never even heard of it in real life.

I have, and ooh boy are they the weird ones.

Like, I've met plenty of perfectly respectable people with opinions that seem born of ignorance or just plain racism, but those are views they only espouse when they're comfortable with you. People that believe in that pronoun nonsense wear it on their goddamn sleeve, and you're either into that sort of thing or gonna have to prepare for a bad time.

If I have Char as a dump stat, but I still want to intimidate and lie, what options do I have?

>>51476266

Not him, I graduated in 2014 and intersectionality was already taking over

>>51476277

Dorian's working on it.

But this does raise an interesting question! Are there any other RotJR characters you'd want to see drawn up in amusing situations?

>>51476266
I graduated fall of 2016, so basically 0 years ago.

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>>51476278
Well yeah, true. It's pretty brutal. The suicide rates on CNAs are great.

I'm just glad I found a place in the world where a literal monster is welcome and encouraged.

>>51476285
What?

>>51476256
... you're just like my godmother. Her favorite floor was maternity, where
>You see those prissy little bitches screaming and crying their eyes out for eight or ten hours, begging the whole time after they finally realize that maybe you knew more than they did and an epidural wasn't "unnatural and bad".

>You get to interrogate them while threatening to call CPS because you can SEE it, you know, you can fucking SEE it within the first few hours when it's a fucking crack baby. Yeah you fat bitch, tell me how you've never done drugs as I'm holding these test results while the doctor makes her way here.

>The best is when someone gets all offended because of dark humor in the ICU. Fuck you, you're not MY corpse!

... her rants fucking *stick*. I dunno how she did 40 years of that without killing someone.

Oh and did she ever hate anyone who asked for "water births"

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>>51476256
>read this and think about my sister in law's bizarre career switch to fucking /nursing/
>realize her total lack of empathy and tendency to be an enormous cunt no longer make her choice seem weird
>this is the woman raising my nephew and niece now, two of the sweetest kids I ever spent half a decade watching

T-this is hitting too close to home, anon. I miss my brother even more now, because he was probably the only thing keeping her in check.

>>51476266
I'm not him and I graduated 54 days ago and I found 2 people who wanted to be special snowflakes and became 'gender fluid' giving themselves, everyone else laughed at them. My ex and I got to know one another over our hatred of these slowflakes.

>>51476250
So... did you just ban PoW for everyone but your Guts expy, or are you awful at laying out rules?

>>51476335
Maybe he thinks being a sociopath means you're going to go on a serial killing spree in your eeeevil sex dungeon of uncaring.

>>51476250
>DHB already asking if he can play his homebrew

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>>51476316
Pic related, but with Onryou and Seht.

>>51476384

The Big Guy gets PoW, the Ranger gets Martial Training for free, the Skill Monkey is not PoW and the Caster is not PoW.

>>51476377
High-functioning sociopaths are the best people to raise children, because they can easily ignore the usual tugging-on-heartstrings emotional manipulation that children do.

So I plan on running the Carnival of Tears campaign, I really enjoy the concept of carnival games that it has with it, does anyone have any games they made for their own campaign/run-throughs? Something like food eating contest or the like?

>>51476377
Interesting point; the more psychotically omnicidal the nurse, the nicer she tends to be at home. It's like, if you're a sociopath, ALL of the hatred, the stress, the shit you hate gets vented at work instead of at home, and when she comes home she's the sweetest most loving woman you'll ever be married to.

>>51476405
>the Skill Monkey is not PoW

Ugh, that's dumb. Skill monkeys need it even more because the rogue role gets shit-all.

Unless you just want people to play vivisectionist alchemists instead.

>>51476335
Honest question, because I have no idea:

Why are you here/what do you do for fun? Why role-playing games?

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>>51476250

>mfw it's a Berserk rip-off
>mfw you could easily make the Four Knights of Gwyn

>>51476423
>Ugh, that's dumb. Skill monkeys need it even more because the rogue role gets shit-all.

You could play a Bard or a Slayer, you know.

>>51476423
>vivisectionist alchemist
>Not empiricist investigator
Wut?

>>51476405
How awful. I'm gonna have to pass on this. Too bad, it was a good concept.

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>>51476396

>>51476452
>How awful.

Mind explaining how it's awful? I'm not the DM, but if you express your issue the good people of this thread might be able to conjure up a solution!

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How do I make a synthesist summoner-type character (other classes are fine, just the same general gist) whose summon can self-destruct to deal extra damage to enemies and then reappear sometime later?

Generally, how crippling are dump stats? Can they be compensated by investing skill points, traits, or magic items?

Anybody had a chance to check out the most recent update on ertw's beguiler? Anything decent in there?

>>51476498
explain further

>>51476498
Depends on the dump stat. Cha matters very little unless you want to Diplomacy, for example.

>>51476413
>>51476420
I'd love to believe that, but seeing her interact with my nephew and niece made me wonder if she even registered them as her own children half the time. Not even looking at how she treated my brother, or my mother.

Me and my mother watched your kids for half a decade you dumb piece of shit, you can't just go "no you can't see them anymore" for TWO YEARS and move to another state.

>>51476506
>>51476514

7 in Charisma. Slayer with high intelligence and racial bonus +2 in bluff.

>>51476528
Bluff is irrelevant unless you want to lie to people outside of combat. Feinting is unimportant, use flanking and "you can flank from different squares" abilities instead.

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>>51476349
YUP That sounds like half the nurses in this building. Maternity is dealing with the best of 'em, for sure.

I never worked in maternity, though... Your godmother. Is her name Dee? Does she live in cali? She sounds like a coworker of mine.

>>51476377
Necrophiliacs, necromutilomaniacs, general mutilation maniacs, and gurofags all love getting into medicine. It's not so unusual; you do what you love. If what you love is someone's organs...

Also >>51476420 is telling true facts.


>>51476385
Nah, people know.

>>51476413
This. People insist I would be a great mother.

>>51476434
Role-playing games help me intellectually understand the emotions of other people where I struggle to intuitively understand them. They're also fun because I like the risk of throwing dice. Kind of a silly question.

>>51476536

Yes, I'm interested in scamming and tricking people.

>>51476498
If you're focusing on Int or Wis, you can overcome basically any form of dump stat with feats and traits.

>>51476436
>You could play a Bard or a Slayer, you know.
I planned on fulfilling it as an Unchained Fighter.

>>51476528
Pick up the clever wordplay or student of philosophy trait and never look back.

>>51476470
Rules come off as control freak, right off the bat.
The GM straight up says "If you're in this role, you get a free pass over anything else, because I want my Guts Expy. Or get fucked and play an archer." If you want PoW.
Both of those are totally unappealing. Skill monkey role is going to come down to the same 2-3 classes (Investigator, Alchemist, Bard) if you want to even partake in the same game as everyone else.
In the end, it's not even 'Berserk-esque', it's "I want D&D 4e, but I'm afraid of what everyone will think of me if I actually say I play it."

>>51476250
>automatic bonus progression
Why though, it's really bad.

>>51476583

How high? 16-17 Int?

>>51476250
So you need to make specific archetypes with specific parameters.
So no matter how good your app is there is only one person from each archetype that will be chosen, why do you expect people to want to play this?
My recommendation to you is get rid of the archetype thing and just make standard rules.

>>51476388
Hah! Shut the fuck down in 10 minutes flat.

>>51476522
ah. my experience was just the opposite. complete sociopath, once got chewed out and nearly fired for "good news; the baby didn't make it", but at home? clingy as fuck, calling them once they were in college to see if they needed her to go do their laundry (about two hundred miles away) every weekend, cries from chick-flicks...

>>51476293
There are traits to make a cha skill int based, and also orator the feat.

>>51476664
Yes, that.

>>51476538
Nah, small town near a reservation in Quebec. Those quotes were actually translations because she's completely french.

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>>51476680
so less "fuck" and more "ostie'd tabarnac"?

>>51476250
>DHB asking how overpowered he should be
I don't know what he was trying to get out of that question.

>>51476724
It's actually valid question I have had people say hey please reign in your stuff, or please don't overly optimize. I see nothing wrong with asking the question since the gm wants very specific things

>>51476600
Hey. GM here. I can see what you mean by this, and I agree that it can appear that way, so I would like to give my explanation behind this. I'm not a huge fan of Path of War or most Third Party shenanigans. Mostly, it ramps up the power level of the campaign to obscene degrees. I'm trying to avoid full Path of War progression, since we are starting at a fairly high level, and I want to keep the game somewhat grounded. If I allow any other PoW content, we are full Shounen anime status in a few levels. However, without Path of War, some players see Martials as too limited, so I have allowed an avenue to attain it in a limited scale. I've allowed the Ranger something to keep up in DPS, and allows for some switch hitting if they don't want to focus on being Ranged DPS. That and Ranged DPS already is mechanically very solid, even without PoW. Everybody else either has class abilities or spell casting, so they have avenues of versatility or optimization to focus on there.
I basically want a well rounded party, so that everybody can feel important in the game. If I know what I want going into the game, I can more readily prepare and balance content for them.
>>51476618
Magic and magic items are going to be pretty rare in this setting, and I want them to feel like they have a huge impact. Plus, it opens up items that would normally be sub-optimal. I don't want this game to be about "Get this number as high as possible." So I am giving people this instead and letting people focus on other aspects of their character.

>>51476661
Maybe given the right circumstances, and she /was/ a clingy and constantly fawning for affection from my brother when he was still around, but an absolutely abhorrent lying sack of shit to the rest of us if she had the smallest excuse to be. Like, going back on major promises to her own children tier.

If I sound bitter it's because I am. I had to stand there while she promised her own kids that they'd be back in a month, only to not even get to skype them for a year.

>>51476724
Would you prefer he ask about Blood Money/Sacred Geometry/Magdh and shit like 2hu?

>>51476771
That very, very much depends.

A longbow archer is mechanically very solid.

The poor son of a bitch trying a vital-strike crossbow build like the iconic ranger is just fucked.

The gunslinger is also fucked.

>>51476771
>I'm trying to avoid full Path of War progression

What you do is allow the PoW archetypes for non-PoW classes, which give a slower progression and up to 6th level instead of 9th level maneuvers.

>>51476771
>Magic and magic items are going to be pretty rare in this setting, and I want them to feel like they have a huge impact. Plus, it opens up items that would normally be sub-optimal. I don't want this game to be about "Get this number as high as possible." So I am giving people this instead and letting people focus on other aspects of their character.
I can understand this, but automatic bonus progression is really bad as it fucks martials in the ass.

Different characters want different things faster. ABP doesn't give you any variability.

>>51476771
Your rules are still overly specific with a high chance for people to not get in by virtue of each archetype will only allow for one player to play it.

>>51476816
>I can understand this, but automatic bonus progression is really bad as it fucks martials in the ass.

As somebody else, I'm curious about what makes it so bad.

>>51476528

How is your strength btw? Intimidating prowess allows you to add it to intimidate checks in addition to charisma. It can be worth it for two-hander builds.

>>51476771
What is your reasoning on not allowing DHB's shit?

It seems to be exactly what you're going for.

>>51476844
Basically martials want good weapons and good physical stats quickly. Most martials will never spend the cast on a +4/+2 mental headband until later levels.

ABP gives you a package of abilities you have no control over dictating.

If it gave you something more akin to a virtual money pool to draw from I'd be happier.

Basically I don't want 4k of my virtual gold to go to a mental headband at level 6 rather than a physical.

Also mental stats progress faster than physical in ABP.

If it even had packages for different archetypes I'd be happier.

>>51476844
>Locked Progression that cannot be altered and gives you basically NO choices, it can only be made to progress "faster"
>Weapon/Armor/Shield Attunement is GARBAGE and fucks over anyone who wants to have any kind of weapon/armor quality
>Nobody who wants to use it ever bothers to say they're going to even TRY fixing either of the above, let alone any of the other problems

>>51476844
Start with the fact that it's fixed to the same table for everyone. So, mental stats come first.

It's also a much slower weapon/armor progression than regular magic items.

And it doesn't let you adjust things to what you might actually need.

>>51475902
>it's often other-women more than anything that will try to keep them out of it.
I'm watching this happen at a restaurant I currently work at.
Decently midhigh end place, there is one girl in the back. She's an alright worker, but she completely lost her shit when we heard talk of one of the front house servers coming back into the kitchen.
The hate and malign that she seethed at the idea of another woman being in the kitchen, from this 5', 100lb alt-goth girl sorta scared all the dudes, and when I tried to ask what was the issue, I got, and I quote:
>"I WILL BURY THAT BITCH IN THE OIL DUMPSTER WITH HER FUCKING KNIVES"
She didn't even know who the girl was, they had never met before.
Bitches be trippin.

>>51476844
My martial doesn't want a +6/4 mental headband when they could be spent on other things.

Attunement fucks me royally if I want my weapon to do something besides hit things.

>>51476771
Then don't use Berserk as your example?
Berserk goes full fantasy bullshit after Golden Age. Magic armors that keep you alive indefinitely and make you into a monster. Magic girls who know ancient rituals, fairy kingdoms with Queens who can delve into the psyche of mortals, and shadow beasts that try to assassinate gods.

But it's not even slightly interesting the way you've decided to handle it. It forces anyone who even wants a chance to play to write -four- times as many characters, and that's bullshit.

>>51476849

14 for now.

>>51476501
The new order looks interesting. Might be able to make a halfway decent thrown weapon build in PF for once. The new spells look decent too: upgrades for rope trick and mirror image as well as some cool mindfuck options that spread like a virus.

>>51476771
In my experience, when you deal with /pfg/ and you tell them they can't do 1pp because it's overpowered, they make bullshit 1pp characters to spite you.

>>51476771
You realize that nothing you've done makes the party well rounded, right?

>>51476804
That's what they did.

>>51476974
*can't do 3pp.

>>51476906
FUCK you. The rituals they used in that manga aren't ancient.

The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is a classic and common ritual and has been used in the manga. You can GOOGLE IT FOR PRECISE INSTRUCTIONS. It ain't ancient.

>>51476906
Berserker armor doesn't keep him alive, in fact it kills him faster by forcing splits of metal into his bones to reinforce them. He's just such a weird unusual basass that he can survive it.

>>51476975
>Mechanically enforces different archetypes
>'Naagh, bro. Everybody is gonna do the same stuff.'
wut

My group is starting a new campaign soon and one of the other players has shown me his character, there is a problem I would like to address before he takes it to the GM.

His character is an orc (or half orc, I forget) that is large sized. He claims he got that size legally, within the game rules. Having done some research I can't find any way for him to have done that without applying templates (without GM approval). Wouldn't be the first time he's tried that.

Is it possible for his character to be large sized legally, or is he being "that guy" again?

(No 3pp without GM approval, which I know he doesn't have)

>>51477004
Huh. I'm glad that you think manga is real, but I was referring to the context of the setting.

>>51477023
Permancied Enlarge Person at character creation costs like 4k gold or something in that ballpark.

>>51477016
Nothing about the archetypes actually prevents anyone from stepping on each other's toes.

I can build a character that fits skill monkey that fights as well as Big Guy, or shoots as well as Ranger.

>>51476816

How badly does it fuck martials in the ass?

Does a ZweiSent cease to function at level 7 without their belt +2 or Cloak?

>>51477065
Being dead has a tendency to make you cease to function.

>>51476876

Hmm, to be honest if I use it I might make the WBL a bit over half to compensate for the rigidity, but for the most part the bonuses are handy for near everyone. I would definitely loosen a few parts like allowing people to swap the mental and physical bonuses if needed, though. Pretty much any class benefits from both, but the order should vary.

I was thinking about using the ABP if I ran Reign of Winter. The PCs get the mantle of the Black Rider pretty quickly (with a quick stat boost), so something like it could represent their growing supernatural nature - and they go to some pretty weird places, so it could be that there is just less magical gear than normal there.

>>51476946
Ah, no point then. It could be handy if you had 16 or higher and planning to specialize in two-handed weapons like the headman blade.

>>51476974
>>51476982
Maybe that's because 1pp is just as overpowered, broken, and busted as you perceive 3pp to be and you're just retarded.

Go play 5e if you want 1pp only pathfinder.

>>51477084

Explain how it kills you.

>>51477065
Over the course of leveling up a fighter, by level 10 is far weaker than he would be. Same with any other non PoW martial. Even PoW Martials are much weaker.

>>51477065
The problem is one of versatility - we all know that versatility is power; it's the entire reason why spellcasters are so strong.

The trick with ABP is that it destroys your ability to choose how you want things set up and enchanted. what if I DON'T want to burn some cash on a +2 physical stat item? what if I just want a really nice cloak? And then there's limiting cash, which in turns limits other things I could do - I have a golem maker character in one game and there's no way she'd be able to maintain, upgrade, and craft her constructs without the extra gold she has.

>>51477091
Your defenses are worse across the board due to not being able to spend money on what you need and instead getting a prescribed list. The higher level it goes the more this becomes pronounced.

>>51477109
The thing I do like about ABP is it gives you the ability to give your players cool shit instead of making sure mobs drop the right headbands and + swords of goblin slaying.

>>51477065
Depends on how hard you tend to cheese magic items.

For 80% of people who are just going to get your belt/cloak/headband combo, it works great. Just allow martials to choose physical stats first.

>>51477158

I'm part of that 80%, which is why ABP always sounds wonderful to me.

So what if I can't enchant a sword with flaming? People never do that anyway, and if I really wanted a fire sword I'd do what the big boys do and ask my DM really nicely.

>>51477158
I disagree highly. Weapon/Armor/Shield attunment is strictly worse than just buying them by a big margin. Having an interesting weapon in punished in APB.

Also there are so many interesting items. Wanting to have cool items that do cool things isn't cheese.

Or items required to make specific builds function at all.

>>51477155
That's a fair point, but if I was to run ABP, I'd roll it with about 75% gold rather than 50% gold, so that the players have some extra breathing room with which to grab shit. it'd feel better to everybody involved.

Post nobles dressing like adventurers

>>51477184
>Or items required to make specific builds function at all.
If your build REQUIRES a specific non +X item to function it's probably cheese.

>>51477178
If your answer to bad design is saying "just use mother may I" then I have no idea how you think it has great design.

No really please explain your reasoning on why ABP is great. I want to understand why you think that because at the moment I can't formulate an argument because the only reasoning I can see to using ABP is laziness to not making it a better system.

>>51477200
>I want Dex-to-damage without being stuck being a Rogue or using a scimitar
>Agile weapons are cheesy then

>>51477200
Yes, because TWF is cheese now?

Any crit based fighter is cheese?

Any ranged build is cheese?

Do you want all Martials to be two handed weapon and full attacks with nothing else.

Seriously how can someone have this asinine of an opinion?

If you're going to INSIST on using ABP, what you should probably do at bare minimum:
>Speed the progression of the chart up some, but don't use this as an excuse to have magic items and overall gold be gimped to fuck, the chart's there to cover the "MUST HAVE" bonuses assumed by the system so you don't have to worry about handing them out
>Don't fuck over the martial who wants to use that Keen Flaming Scimitar he picked up. Attunement covers his flat +1's, it shouldn't vanish because he picked up a magic weapon with qualities that AREN'T +1's.
>let martials pick up physical stats before mentals

This does not make ABP "good", it just makes it not unusable garbage

>>51477214

I like not having to put a fancy headband on just to stay relevant, or wear the same belt literally everyone else at my level is wearing.

I like having stat boosts without the items associated with them.

>>51477236
>>51477224
>no +X item
That obviously means weapons and armor enchantments. Try again.

>>51477238
Today on people who can't read the rules. This removes +1 bonuses from the game. Gone. Nada. They don't exist. Any magic bonuses will be properties like Keen, Flaming, Radiant, Vorpal and the like. So when you pick up a magic weapon, it will be a Flaming Scimitar, not a +1 flaming Scimitar

>>51477245
And that's fine. You do you.

But that doesn't make it GOOD.

>>51477270
>implying

motherfucker what, you lose your attunement bonus when you pick up that sword

>>51477262
... Yes, Agile is a weapon enchantment. So you're calling it cheesy?

>>51477238
Well how would you make it "good" then?

>>51477274
>You do you.

But I *can't* do me using the "normal" rules.

If I was using the "normal" rules my martial NEEDS to put on that belt and NEEDS to put on that Ring of Protection.

So please, tell me how I can "do me" using normal rules *without* wearing a Belt of Giant's Strength?

Will my players hate me if I make them roll for stats/hp instead of point buy?

>>51477292
No. I'm saying that needing specific items outside of cloak/weapon/armor/belt etc is cheesy.

>>51477313
Depends how shitty they roll.

>>51477262
Yes, agile, keen, seeking, cyclonic, adaptive, furious.

>>51477306
I never said you could, dude. I meant you can freely enjoy ABP as much as you like.

but this is shit like enjoying the fighter class - Wizard is objectively better, no matter how much you enjoy your preference.

Besides general dumbassery. If the assumption was that you're going to/should get the perfect stat up items EXACTLY when you need them. Why not just bake it into default "naked" progression in the first place?

>>51477340
Because Wizards was a bunch of retards who didn't run their game very well, and Paizo picked up their game when they decided to abandon the bad system.

>>51477270
>>51477285
and because you're going to go "but where does it say that retard", here

>Any weapon, armor, or shield special abilities on attuned items count against a character's enhancement bonus from attunement. To determine an attuned magic item's enhancement bonus, subtract the cost of its special ability from the enhancement bonus granted by attunement. (This applies only to special abilities whose cost is equivalent to an enhancement bonus, not to those that cost a flat amount of gold pieces.)
>For example, if a character with a +3 enhancement bonus from weapon attunement wields a keen scimitar, she subtracts 1 point of her enhancement bonus (for the cost of keen), leaving her with a +2 keen scimitar.
>If a character doesn't have enough of an enhancement bonus to afford the special ability (such as a 4th-level character with a vorpal longsword), she can still use the weapon's power on its own, but the weapon gains no enhancement bonus.

IE: Your +2 Attunement bonus to attack/damage vanishes the second you pick up that Keen Flaming Scimitar. Because go fuck yourself.

>>51477334
That's not what I was referring too.
My build needs +X keen/cyclonic/furious whatever the fuck is fine.

My build needs a Cyclops Helmet isn't.

>>51477319

I'm 99% sure 'A source of flight' is needed past level 10 just to function. For most martials, that's an item.

Or heck, a source of invisibility for a ranged rogue as they can't flank at range.

>>51477319
That's not the point here. ABP fucks over anyone wanting a weapon enhancement besides +X. Are you actually retarded.

>>51477373
>that's an item.
Not a SPECIFIC one though.

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>>51477339
>Wizard is objectively better, no matter how much you enjoy your preference.

And yet people still make Fighters.

Dexterity is objectively better, and yet people still make Strength builds.

I just don't exactly see why you're badmouthing ABP and subtly trying to suggest people not use it, when people like myself find it's one of the few things that actually do what I want to do? That's kind of shitty behavior, dude.

>>51477384
>ABP fucks over anyone wanting a weapon enhancement besides +X.

When the hell do you ever see anyone actually spending their hard earned murder dollarydoos on non-X weapon enchantments? Sure, I've seen a COUPLE Keens in my day, but more often than not you only get that flaming sword when the DM jams it in your hand after a boss battle.

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>>51477396
We object to people using ABP AS-WRITTEN, because as-written it's absolutely terrible. If you adjust it, it can be perfectly serviceable, but nobody ever actually fucking says they're adjusting it. They just whine about people saying it's shit as-written.

>>51477394

It's pretty damn specific if you go 'I need a source of X' where X is as specific as flight or invisibility.

>>51477369
Yes and ABP fucks you over if you need keen/agile/furious/cyclonic/etc.

Lets say this:
>I want Belt of Mighty Hurling to make thrown weapons functional
That is cheese because it isn't a +X weapon.

>I want Slate Spider to make guns functional
That is cheese because it isn't a +X weapon.

>I want any of the myriad of items that make mounts not garbage
This is cheese because it isn't a +X weapon

>>51477396
>people still make fighters
Here, it's usually because Silver Blade Myrmidon Drill Instructor Lorewarden Eldrict Whatever the fuck is barely even a fighter anymore.

Otherwise, it's because they don't know better.
>Dexterity is objectively better, and yet people still make Strength builds.

In 1pp no it's not. In 3pp only in certain instates, such as you being a TWFighter.

>>51477396
Personal preference can not be helped, but overall abp will be worse then actually just going with standard, that is why it is a variant system that few people use. If it works for you good, use it, but if it is objectively more constraining in a game were versatility is king it is a bad option.

>>51477418
>When the hell do you ever see anyone actually spending their hard earned murder dollarydoos on non-X weapon enchantments?
Literally every game I see at least one of keen, agile, furious, cyclonic, seeking, vicious, or guarding. For armor I see a ton of things.

Fucking hell.

>>51477396
>Dexterity is objectively better, and yet people still make Strength builds.
Incorrect, Dexterity is much more feat heavy and doesn't put out as much damage. So they both have their strengths.

>>51477459
>Dexterity is much more feat heavy and doesn't put out as much
>Weapon Finesse
>Deadly Agility
>probably got a class feature that lets me take this shit up for free anyway.
Nah, in the long run Dex is probably better for you even if you are missing a few scant points of DPS.

>>51477418
I always invest in bonus damage over more pluses, you can have a greatsword that does 1d6+3 damage or a greatsword that does 2d6+1+1d6 fire+1d6 acid. You lose two attack bonus and have a harder time with dr, which you can just mitigate with money by investing into adamantine before enchanting.

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Mark does not mind if you homerule the ABP a bit

>>51477313
Depends
Do you have a system that prevents dead rolls?

Example. My table likes rolls but can see how bad it can get, so we have a "+7 min, +12 max" 2d6+6. Where your combined rolls have to match or be greater than +7 but not be more then +12 in mod bonus.
Like someone with
14: +2
15: +2
10: 0
8: -1
18: +4
17: +3
Would be good to go but someone with
12: +1
11: 0
15: +2
13: 1
10: 0
9: -1
Wouldn't meet the min +7 mod total, so the player would need to reroll.

My issues with ABP is:
>gives no variability to help make specific mechanically weaker builds function including thrown weapons, mounted combat, firearms, reach, crossbows, etc.
>screws you over if you want a weapon/armor/shield enhancement that isn't +X
>doesn't allow any customization for when you get your items

Also a character who literally can not wear armor still gets an armor attunment.

Also Mark suggested to use this blog post's chart for equipment if you don't mind doing some math.

it is more accurate.
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhdx?Unleashing-Unchained

>>51477313

Just allow them to reroll if they roll a really bad character.

>>51477484
Weapon Finesse, Deadly Agility, TWF line

That's 5 feats you need the Str guy doesn't.

>probably got a class feature that lets me take this shit up for free anyway.
Basically only rogues.

>>51477443
>1pp no it's not.
It really is hell vigilante can get class level to damage with finesse weapons as one of their class bouses, in addition I think it gets finesse as part of that ability.

>>51477484
Name classes besides rogue that give weapon finesse/dex to damage for free. They are very few.

Most require specific archetypes of classes.

Also TWF is a concern.

Also you still need a power attack equivalent.

>>51477535
And stalkers.

>>51477535
You don't need twf firstly you are probably pow if deadly agility is around which favors single attacks as standard actions, secondly scarlet throne style with power attack is a better investment unless you have a gimmick.

>>51477448

Then how am I supposed to actually get stat boosts without wearing the stat-boosting item?

That's the thing, I want the bonus of a Belt of Giant's Strength without wearing the Belt of Giant's Strength.

>>51477548
>citing Lethal Grace as part of your argument
>when Lethal Grace benefits from having good Strength

nice try

>>51477560
Vigilante gets class level to damage on finesse attacks, which scales better then dex to damage anyways.

So I missed something, somewhere.
What's APB?

>>51477594
Not only benefits from strength, it flat out doesn't work if you're not using strength for damage.

>>51477594
Lethal grace wants high dex more than it wants high str it is worded that way to discourage things like finesse training plus lethal grace.

>>51477583
If we're talking about 3pp then I agree. Str is blown out of the water by dex. PoW invalidates Str for the most part as anything but a mechanically weaker stylistic choice.

You can just use Innate Item Bonuses if you want both removing Big Six and freedom what stats you get

>>51477623

Well, save that Stalker class and how it can get Str to AC and Ref saves.

>>51477368

If I read this right, if your attunement caps at +2, and you somehow get a +1 keen flaming scimitar, it becomes a +0 keen flaming scimitar until you "unlock" the +3 attunement, is that right?

>>51477313
Should be okay as long as the power ratings don't differ too much.

BTW, what about having 3-5 pre-rolled arrays which players can use (choosing what score goes where, of course)? This way they have some variety, without there being too much inconsistency in rolls.

>>51477633
Still doesn't help the fact you can't get specific items that you need to make certain kinds of weapons functional (thrown, firearms, twf (if not 3pp), crossbows, shields) or easily get enchantments that aren't +X.

>>51477609
Know what gets str to hit? Touch spells does this mean str is a worthwhile investment for wizard? No, is str a good investment to most magus? Just because something makes something else better does not make it a worthwhile investment.

>>51477604

automatic bonus progression iirc

>>51477087

>headman blade

That's an interest one. Is there any other weapon suited for slayers characters?

>>51477604

Automatic bonus progression, from Unchained.

Basically, the WBL gets cut in half, and the bonuses of the big 6 typical items and weapon/armor enhancement are built in the levelling.

I like the idea, but I don't know anyone who has actually tried it out and could give some feedback on how well it works in practice.

>>51477651
In the "ABP System", weapons don't have any +1's, the flat +1's only come from Attunement. You can pick up a weapon that's a "Keen Scimitar", and your +2 attunement drops to +1 because your sword has Keen on it. Because FUCK YOU.

>>51477652
I don't see how Innate stops that in any way the default system does not too

>>51477682
The version in the book that causes that is easier on the book keeping.
You can use the blog version to have Keen Scimitar +2 that shifts the enchantment bonus based on the character's attunement level.

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It took a session this weekend to realize you guys only play girl characters in these "lewd" campaigns so you can always be the receiver of attention, and never have to give it yourself.

You guys are weird.

>>51477659
Ah, thanks.

>>51477683
Because in the innate system I can't go purchase items to get my build to work if innate is all I am working with.

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It's lovely seeing actual mechanical and rule discussion here once in a while.

>DHB bringing the bantz to BerserkDM

>>51477794
Did you really need ALL the item slots for the build to work?

>>51477831
For thrown weapons? Yes.

For guns I need at least a few.

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>>51477819

I thought you told us Elsbeth doesn't like to get drunk.

Yet now all we see her doing is drink. Elsbeth needs help, she needs rehab.

Or maybe a boyfriend.

>>51477788
>You guys are weird.
This is 4chan. We have never claimed different.

>>51477842
She doesn't need a boyfriend.

She has Helen

>>51477841
We don't support water balloon fighters anyway so shoo shoo

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>>51477862

W-Wowzers, I never knew Elsbeth swung that way!

>>51477511
>>51477533
>>51477651

Also, will this curb min/maxing?

>>51476316
Onryou, Aranha and Val going on a manic shopping spree for winter gear in Kalsgard while Casimir, Seht and Corwin trail behind them struggling to carry their purchases.

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>>51477859
>We have never claimed different.

Except you chuckleheads love to talk about assertive women barbarians and /ss/ and all that jazz, but the moment I'm playing a male character I notice the only time anyone's asking for some side-session action is Girl-on-Girl or when the guy starts talking!

It's dumb, I tell you! Dumb!

>>51477917
Just don't ERP.

>>51477788
Which game? How was it?

I am a guy and I like (prefer?) playing girls along with other people where it is relatively common. I didn't really notice that but maybe that's because my games aren't all that lewd (sadly) and they are mostly 2 player games.

>>51476538
Woah, I didn't know other people played Hard West

>>51477934

But I want to ERP, I'm just butt-flustered that people still cling onto annoying gender conventions associated with dating and initiating when women are supposed to be all equal n' shit in Golarion.

>>51477938

It's a Jade Regent campaign which has been pretty gosh darn great so far, I'm just noticing the trend when we've gotten to the one city with that fatass prince that my character has never been noticed by Senpai once - same with the other male PC, for that matter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0T5fe7oR4

>>51477974
HAHA YEP

I liked it. The whole luck mechanic was really well thought out. Found the characters compelling and the scenarios interesting.

Used the soundtrack for a gunslinger battle in my own game.

>>51477914
Winter gear or winter fashion? Because i think it would be hilarious to see Val completely flummoxed while trying to teach Onryou and the spooder how to dress like proper ladies.

>>51478007
Sounds like an uncompelling male character.

>>51477904
Min maxing will happen no matter what you do. Roll with some adjustments just feels like the best way to play MAD characters to me and my group.

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>>51476396
>bottle reads "juice"

>>51478047

Nu uh! He's totally compelling as non-sexy guy!

It's just when people wanna bang they always wait for the men to initiate, or just bang other ladies.

>>51478032

>Val
>Proper lady

Top
Kek

>>51478056
>do not let this grape juice age in a cool dark for some time or it may become alcoholic

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>>51476316
What amuses me most about that game is how, even though they were explicitly B-team, the Meme Team has been and will be the only one anyone really cares about or talks about at length.

>>51478120
B stands for best!

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>>51476396

>>51476316
Adding to that--what are some crossovers between the two parties that might be fun?

Is ther any danger in picking Char 5?

>>51477035
Given that he's starting at level 1, I don't think that's what he's doing.

I want to make one of my BBEG's henchmen Tech-themed. Someone in a position of power that creates technological marvels such as railways between major cities, electrical lights (if you can afford it), that kind of stuff.
Is the PF Technology Guide good enough for this? Should I expect to homebrew and rebalance a lot?
I have no experience running anything from that book, so I was wondering if anybody had used it.

>>51478180
There's a some enemies that drain/damage Charisma, but otherwise not. Con and Wis damage tend to be more common iirc.

>>51478172

Etan and Aranha discuss the finer points of being animals!

Casimir daughters the twins!

Quinn and Val go out on the town!

Onryou gets triple teamed by Rubio, Seht and Corwin!

So now I have to build a character for 5 games.

I have decided on one for each I think:

>Sky Pirates
Vanara Spirit Summoner/Focused Hunter Vigilante VMC Witch styled as the ship's voodoo witch doctor

>WotRaunchy
Drowner Devil descended tiefling Asmodean Advocate/Ordained Defender Dervish Warder with the Divine Virginity feat. Orphan of the Goblinblood wars raised in the Asmodean church and sent as a representative.

>Crusaders
Dynamic Striker Vigilante/Toxicant Alchemist Taldan Lion Blade operative designed to be entirely functional and highly dangerous while unarmed.

>Assassins
Symbiotic Slayer Vigilante/Shadow Mystery Oracle spooky assassin. The character himself is Tn while the ooze sapience is CE and extremely hungry. His oracle curse is hunger as well.

>Berserk Game
Settled on an alchemist for the skill monkey, likely a bomb based battlefield control alchemist as the mercenary company's siege engineer.

Any of these sound too terrible?

>>51478240

>Onryou gets triple teamed by Rubio, Seht and Corwin!

In a wrestling match.

>SHE'S CLIMBING UP THE LADDER!

>>51478240
>triple teamed
Ah, yes! I'm sure she'd jump at the chance to fight three sword-users at once, it's really good training!

>>51478261

I thought the vigilante symbiote had to be one step away from your social alignment?

>>51478283
At least one step. It can be further.

>>51478172
>Casimir teaching Etan sword techniques
>Rubio and Corwin collaborating on some kind of heroic ode--the former keeps making it stylized, the latter wants it more realistic
>Aranha shyly offering Seht some silk to make stuff with

>>51478261
Go away DHB.

>>51478308
>Aranha shyly offering Seht some silk to make stuff with
Aranha and Seht are on the same team

>>51478298

Oh my mistake. I thought that was a bit strange when I read it.

>>51478032
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Fashion montage must happen.

>>51478096
She's the daughter of a prominant aristocratic family, she probably knows her way around balls, cotillions and any other sort of fancy occasion.

>>51478327
Oh. Still think that'd be cute though.

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>>51478362
>>51478032

I've got a few outfits in mind.

>>51478354
It's sort of meant to be the reverse of ordinary vig identity, which requires you to be WITHIN one alignment step. Basically the idea is to make Ego actually an important concern because it forces you to come into conflict with your symbiote

>>51478195

The tech guide has rules on crafting technology, examples various tech effects and stats on generators, but it doesn't have that many examples of "regular" technology like lighting or modern transport. You can use some of it, but you will have to wing it at times.

>>51478362
Well fuck me. A perfectly good testicle joke ruined by the spoiler tags disappearing mysteriously.

>>51478362

But does she know her way around a dance floor?

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>>51478308
>you will never hear the sick bantz of two old men as they practice swordsmanship

>>51478362
Some balls are held for charity, and some for fancy dress, but when balls are held for pleasure, they're the kind that Val loves best!

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>>51478414

>implying you really want it

>>51478393
Well, the lighting was just a quick example I thought up. The tech-level I'm thinking of seems to correspond to the Clockwork-type of creatures more than anything. As for transport, a steam-locomotive (powered by Elementals, maybe) will be the biggest achievement in that area, and possibly also the final arena.

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Now here is the real question. If in Assassins game 4 of us apply with Symbiotic Slayer we obviously have to each use a different one of these as the character art:

>>51478308
>Rubio and Corwin collaborating
I'm not even sure they'd get that far--Rubio would probably rub Corwin the wrong way with his Quixotic schtick, given that Corwin's actually seen hellish war and Rubio has, at worst, fought some fearsome monsters.

>>51478455
Sauce on those?

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>>51478472
Cthulhutech, a bad game with some neat lore.

>>51475183
>Oi, let's get a lap-dance fer the halflings 'ere!
>NO, NOT MY PELVIS!

>>51478494
Thought some of them looked like concept art for Eternal Darkness, so yeah, not too surprising that they're from something pulling from the same source material.

>>51478429

Who wouldn't want it? A LITERAL ANIMAL having a sick verbal duel with Kurwa Man while hitting each other with their hard swords sounds great!

>>51478425
>>51478362

Sounds like Val needs to teach spooder and the Jolly Red Giant how to dress and act at noble events!

>>51478414
As much as your fags jerk it over characters that haven't even seen play and interactions that won't happen because they're not even in the same party, I don't see why not. Just make some bullshit up.

>>51478172
>Writing fan fiction about other people's groups and characters.
Are you people really this game starved?

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>>51478240
>more thinly veiled "the oni gets railed"
>loli twins being treated as they should be
>Prostitute and Literally Who nowhere to be found

as expected

>>51478261
This is clearly DHB, can we really say he deserves to be in a game based on these characters?

>>51478695
No one deserves anything it should be done by merit of application.

>>51478674

Nope, they're just fun groups!

The Armored Symbiote talent says that it provides a set of light armor with "no max Dex bonus". Does that mean it has an infinitely high max Dex bonus, or a max Dex bonus of +0?

>>51478261

>>Berserk Game

Link?

>>51478695

I really liked five monkeys with guns before it became voodoo witch doctor.

>>51478683
>No one memes your character
>The character you built to out Espagnoll Espagnoll.
>The character whose main class was designed by a degenerate
>The character who will literally own a 2000 gp custom fitted slave collar sooner or later
>The character with Calistrias Deific Obedience

Feels weird man.

>>51478774
+0 would mean having a max dex bonus. Armored Symbiote has no maximum, meaning infinitely high.

>>51478683

Wait, who's the Literally Who?

>>51478455
>Symbiotic Slayer
What's this from?

>>51478835

>2000 gp custom fitted slave collar

But why? What could she possibly want one of those for?

>>51478832
Well the new rules imposed make multiple character builds more difficult as anything that gets class levels was shut down.
Which is probably for the best as text based would be ruinous with everyone running multiple creatures.

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>>51478835
>2000 gp custom fitted slave collar

But why? For what purpose? For herself? WHY herself?

>>51478455
Give me number six, that was always my favorite tager.

Is having a dedicated crossbow-reloader for multiple party members (enabling them to skip a whole feat and/or dual-wield without magic items) optimal child abuse?

>>51478901
>>51478866
Could be a masterwork tool of some sort. Gives a bonus to handle animal?

>>51478840
Okay, that's what I figured. Thanks.

>>51478455
Hmm, I like the one fifth from the right.

>>51478911

Nope! Abuse those orphans however you want, it's not like anyone will stop you.

>>51478911
Not really.