EDH/Commander General - /edhg/

>>51471057
"Most interesting" is just your generic Lazav steal-your-shit deck

Hey /tg/, I recently got the Gay Greek and Daxos Returned box decks and wanna convert/scrap them into a Jenara deck. Any tips?

>>51471496
Return both decks and purchase 70$ worth of singles instead. What you are doing is ass backwards.

>>51471057
I've got a Ramirez pirate tribal, 99% vorthos. That's pretty unconventional. But the deck is also the worst deck in my meta by far, so I almost never play it.

>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have?
I'm painfully boring. My most interesting deck is probably Jori-En. It's a bizarre hybrid artifact cantrip planeswalker deck, and depending on how I've tuned it, it either wins by filtering cards with Jori-En/Arcanis until I can cast something cool, or by dropping a few planeswalkers then nuking the board with some MLD.

It's my second best multiplayer deck, after my deceptive Lazav reanimator mill deck, and as someone who usually builds big fancy commanders, it tends to fly under the radar until it's far too late to do anything. I'm running gitaxian probe, ponder, preordain, brainstorm, faithless looting, serum visions and a bunch of other draw cards I can't think of. Looting effects are awesome in this deck because I'm running a ton of recursion and motherfucking Feldon will come out of nowhere to spew wurmcoils everywhere.

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>>51471057
I recently pulled a foil nu sevala from just randomly opening a pack, and I'm wondering how to do you build her? Umbral mantle and sword of the paruns kind of stuff? Maybe like cheap fatties like lupine prototype? I seriously don't know

>>51472576
Giant Growths and the likes become rituals in Selvala, you just lack a good wincon. If you can do at instant speed there's Hunting Pack but it's hosed by fogs easily.

>>51472640
>checking prices because a different monoG is something I've always wanted to do
>your foil is worth 80 dollars
SAY WHAT

>>51472655
Conspiracy was not open in large amounts making Here and Leovold fairly expensive

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If you could have a non-creature spell as a commander, what would you use? Pic related

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>>51472861
Definitely this one, one of my favourite cards ever printed. If not this then probably grip of chaos.

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How do YOU win with a Kruphix deck? Do you have multiple wincons? How do you stave off aggro? Protect your combo? DO you combo? Why not scrub?

>>51472934
you are playing the most powerful two colours in EDH, figure it out

>>51472655
They really fucked ovee Conspiracy 2's release. Two weeks before Kaladesh came out, meant most stores only ran 2 events for one of the most fun drafts ever.

Wotc is fucking stupid.

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>>51472861
>>51472861
MonoRed handfuckery and burn

>>51472945
I already have. I want to know how other peeps prefer to play.

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Me and a friend have recently started playing magic during lunch at work.

We started with a deckbuilder's toolkit each and have been buying boosters here and there, nothing serious like buying singles.

I'm enjoying it and not taking it too seriously at the moment, and we're looking to get into commander now too with a couple of the legendaries that we've pulled from packs.

Can anyone give advice on how to build our collections and make some casual commander decks without spending too much?

>>51471496
You're retarded.

>>51473059
Bargain bins if you have access to LGS, draft junk from other players. Maybe go and play a draft someday with your friend? It's a fun situation, you might win some packs and pull some goodies.

>>51473059
Go to EDHrec, look up your commander, it also has prices listed for cards. Set a budget, and have fun!
Monocolor and 2color are easier to build for on a budget, but you can always build a deck on a budget with a few exceptions.

>>51472934
Any spell with an X in it's mana cost.

>>51472576
Sell it to me instead. I can't find a foil copy anywhere.

>>51473541
>http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/conspiracy-take-the-crown/selvala-heart-of-the-wilds
Found a bunch. Buy one.

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>>51473541
>60 trump dollars
>'only' 35 euros on MCM

Thank Deity I live in Europoor

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>>51471057
>most interesting deck you have

Kami turbostasis
Nebuchadnezzar/circu lantern control/hand control
Aboshan cephalid tribal
Jin-gitaxias eldrazi (4 blue spells)
Starke act of treason
Yukora/kagemaro creatureless

Umm

There's probably more. ..

>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have?

Nope. But I don't think I play anything that's, "Oh, it's just U/G goodstuff," either. Mostly because I build commander decks out of 90% what I already have on hand and rarely buy singles.

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Ok Im back at it to talk about competitive edh! Anyone here like to play some blisteringly fast combo decks? Looking at Derevi prisony/stax with food chain as a combo finisher. I already have a good bit of the creature and stax pieces but cant afford anything like timetwister so windfall it is!

>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have?

I have an Ixidor deck that makes people laugh. It's this really janky soft lock deck that aims to make your morphs cost significantly less (Dream Chisel, Cloud Key, Stone Calendar, etc), give them flash (Vedalken Orrery, Leyline of Anticipation, Teferi) and then bounce them continuously (Sunken Hope, Cloudstone Curio, Crystal Shard, Erratic Portal, etc). Then you can reuse your morphs a lot to have a constant stream of counterspells and other denial.

Really fun, pretty casual, but one of my favorite decks. Also it's nearly all foil minus a couple of oddball cards (missing Equilibrium and Temple of the False God).

>>51474104
That sounds fun as hell. People don't get annoyed that your commander flips their creatures?

Anyone have experience with Dreamborn Muse in Dimir Mill?
Just found out about her, wondering if its worth including.

>>51474328
I played her in Sidisi and people were usually pretty fast to kill her because she seems scary. Eventually cut her when my meta spiked but if you have a chill meta then yeah man

>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have
Mistform Ultimus tribal?

Not super unconventional but PSZ counters matter as opposed to UG goodstuff and DEN that I've seen.

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>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have

Non-degenerate Animar using almost entirely Morph creatures. Very fun, psychologically. Also very fun to win by killing people with 9/9 morph creatures.

>>51474131
Well Ixidor only turns face down creatures face up and it's not like my opponents play a lot of morphs.

>>51474504
I think he was thinking Ixidron, but he isn't even legendary.

>>51474504
>>51474556
Yeah, I was thinking of Ixidron, my bad.

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A month ago I was confident I was finished with tweaking my Breya deck, but as of now I'm still coming up with ways to improve. who else knows that feel?

I'm currently looking to add winter orb and a way to tap and untap it reliably to hinder my opponents. I'm considering dross scorpion but I'd like to reduce my creature count.
Do you have any suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/c-c-c-combobreya/

>>51474632
S'all good. I always call the card "No Mercy" by the name Death Match despite running both of them I'm various decks. My brain just connects the dots in a stupid way

>>51473949
You have a Kami turbostasis deck? If it's not a bother, could you maybe take a look at mine? I'm not sure if it's actually any good, since I kinda juat threw staples together.

>>51473949
>>51474836
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kamiunism-1/

I'm retarded.

>>51474667
4c has space for a lot of great interactions, it's the commanders with most space for tweaking.

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>>51474100
>Competitive EDH

Food chain + eternal scourge = infinite any-color mana

>>51472399
Idiot.
>>51471496
Pull out the most interesting cards to you. Stick them in a Jenara deck. Simple.

Since Commander is where Wizards adds new Magus cards (Magus of the Wheel and Will), what other strong spells could possibly get put on a body in future sets?

>>51475108
Shahrazad.

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>>51475108
Magus of the Worldfire

>>51475067
Yes, same with misthollow Gryphon. Legacy found this out a long time ago.

>>51475122
DELET
>>51475108
Magus of the Balance
Magus of the Ancestors
Magus of the Mists

>>51475108
Magus of the Biorhythm, even though we already have one in Shaman of Forgotten Ways.
Magus of the Bargain, but lol.

>>51475108
magus of force of will

>>51475108
Magus of the Cradle
Magus of the Academy

>>51475191
>Mists
Pendrell or Necrogen? The first will probably never happen, unless maybe they recolor it.

>>51475108
>Magus of the Spiral
Time Spiral

>>51475245
He probably meant Constant Mists.

>>51475245
We already have Magus of the Tabernacle. They wouldn't print another magus with the same effect as another, I think.

>>51475245
>The first will probably never happen
Magus of the Tabernacle exists-- it's the same thing.

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>>51475265
But Fog is the classic version of that. Constant Mists is more complicated.

That being said, what are some good repeatable Fog effects in EDH besides Constant Mists? I'm trying to do a bit more control in my Edric deck for who gets to draw because I've been getting fucked over by it lately.

>>51475291
>>51475287
Which was printed -- Jesus Christ
>Planar Chaos is the forty-first Magic expansion and was released in February 2007 as the second set in the Time Spiral block
Planar Chaos was a fucking decade ago

is there any way for mono green to deal with the 50000 board wipes everybody runs in edh or should i just resign myself to misery

>>51475372
>it was printed a while ago
... so? He asked about new magi, and magus of the Tabernacle isn't a new magi.

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>>51475379
resign yourself to misery
>play avenger of zendikar
>blasphemous act

>>51475372
Spore frog fits the theme.

>>51475379
How about giving your shit indestructible or something. Like maybe with a card called Eldrazi Monument.

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>>51475379
>what is Caller of the Claw
>what is Fresh Meat

>>51475379
Heroic intervention is dirt cheap.

>>51475439
>>51475500
>>51475513
thanks guys

>>51475379
Heroic Intervention, Eldrazi Monument, Caller of the Claw, Fresh Meat, Fecundity, Ulvenwald Observer if your creatures are big enough

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Anyone got any spicy tech for this glorious bastard?

>>51475623
Words of Wisdom + Well of Dreams

If I have a 2/2 with a +1/+1 counter on it and my opponent shocks it, will it then die if I remove the +1/+1 counter in the same turn?

>>51475724
yes

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>>51475372
>what are some good repeatable Fog effects in EDH besides Constant Mists?
Spike weaver I guess, pretty frail but it has three "charges" and if you can bounce it back to your hand or just flicker it it's sort of repeatable

>>51475834
Haze Frog would work better with flickering I guess

>>51475649
Sorry, meant Words of Worship and Well of Lost Dreams.

>>51475834
That dude's an all-star in Newzuri, Atraxa, or Ghave.

>>51475025
Sorry man I just dont get this mentality. Its a play style my friends and I enjoy.

>>51476008
Not you personally, but a lot of people into cEDH just seem to be douchebags, at least at my LGS. Like I make decks that aim to win and be competitive but I like to have fun with them and play janky cards and synergies.

Luckily Dual Commander has satisfied the appetite for these doucheholes and that can often be segregated to their own, awful format.

>>51476054
Really Id just love to play canadian highlander cause I love brewing singleton but playing with powerful cards. EDH is good cause my local meta is already pretty spiky. I like fun to but fun to me is assembling a a route to get my combo out asap. To each their own.

>>51476096
Understandably, and most of the obnoxious spikes at my meta are annoying for a variety of reasons, their playstyles not really one of them.

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>>51476054
>>51476147
>>51476096
>friend has a 100% nekusar deck
F U N

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>>51476167
>>51476147
I like to look at it as like games to play over a big cup of coffee. I really fucking hate the 2 hour long slugfests where the chaos player recurs thieves auction every turn and the karador player wipes the board every fucking turn. Thats not fun to me. If I came jam like 3 games with my buddy who plays combo marath, that to me is way more fun. Plus powerful cards are sweet to play with.

>>51475421
Exactly. It wouldn't be printed these days.

>>51473059
Which legendary creature got your attention and what kind of style do you like playing?

>>51476455
In supplementary sets? It sure would be. They printed TNN for Christ's sake. They don't care much for supplementary product since it skips standard.

>>51476571
You know as well as I that TNN was a mistake.

Rule question:
>player 1's first main phase
>player 1 wants to move into combat and therefore passes priority
>player 2 casts an instant that does some shit to player 1's board state
>the spell fully resolves
>with the new board state in mind, player 1 wants to cast a sorcery before entering combat

Is this possible? Does player 1 get another sorcery-speed priority in his main phase if someone interrupts the transition away from the phase?

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>>51471057
>Do you play unconvential/unique decks?
Does building and playing colorless even count these days? I remember the idea being pretty crazy in a time before OGW gave colorless decks some basic lands, but I don't know if it really counts anymore.

>>51476585
Doesn't matter if it's a mistake. It got printed, and with printing Magus of the Will, I'm sure they would make Magus of the Tabernacle, considering it isn't even paticularly strong outside of white's color pie (Kataki)

>>51476614
>tfw no domain Eldrazi commander for the colored creatures from ZEN2

>>51476593
Yes. A phase ends when each player passes priority in succession.

>>51476585
Nah, it's fine.

>>51471057

I have a Roon deck that's actually Noyan Dar + Green. It doesn't run any of the usual UGx goodstuff and still does pretty well. Probably my most unique deck.

>>51476677
There were colored eldrazi in RotE. Does everyone forget this?

>>51476593
However, keep in mind you can cast spells during the beginning of combat step, after passing out of the main phase but before attackers are declared.

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>>51476653

>>51476757
Yes I know it exists. The argument was that it wouldn't get printed nowadays. C'mon son.

>>51476717
Is green a good choice to include with Noyan Dar? Since his focus is spell slinging wouldn't Black or Red give better support?

Also I like that idea of subcommanders that have extra color to help like the five-colored Zada deck with Tazri at the helm. What other combinations like that can be made?

>>51476733
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&subtype=+[%22Eldrazi%22]&color=+![C]

Yeah, which of these were you planning on running as your commander, again?

>>51476797
Yes, but saying "the colored eldrazi from Zen2" implies there were none to be found in RotE

To answer your question, you run Karona. Swing, name Eldrazi.

>>51476794

The idea is to keep ramping with instants and sorceries and use that ramp to trigger landfall effects while Noyan Dar's awakening effect goes off, pumping up Darksteel Citadel (typically). It's evolved a bit since it's initial creation.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/roon-of-the-awakened-realm/

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>>51472861

>>51476851
I bet you're fun to play with

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>>51472861

>>51476825
It was a misclick, I meant the original Zendikar block

>>51476868
Absolutely, I also play eggs and high tide EDH decks.

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I'm building this.

Should I go tall or wide? What are essential cards for each? I'm leaning towards wide but I want to keep the core of the deck enchantments, not soldier tokens.

>>51477033
Go wide. If you stack enchantments on Krond, it'll hurt more if they get removed. Plus, multiple enchanents won't repeat the trigger.

>>51475103
How am I an idiot, in what way am I wrong.

>>51475834
Vorel would make good use of it too by doubling the counters every turn

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Loosing your friends 101

>be me playing superfriends, my two other friends play Gitgud and atraxa precon
>at 4 hp and a Narset Transcendant with her emblem in play aswell
>both have creatures in play and are ready to attack on their next turn
>my turn, draw a card, an island. Fuckfuckfuck
> use Narset Transcendants +1 abilty.
>Top deck a fucking cyclonic rift
>mylongestyeaboiever.jpg
> pass round, they play creatures to be able to kill me the next turn
>my turn I have tamiyo in play and pop her ult. Once again mfw I topkek another sweeper.
>this gone be gudd, use my sweeper and get it back to my hand.
>Next turn I'll be able to pop Ajanis ult resulting in them getting all their lands destroyed
>be me with two friends fewer

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>>51477093

Any tips for ratios of what kind of cards for UG Rashmi good stuff? Like, how many counter spells to utility spells to Creatures to enchantments to ramp/mana fixing? This is actually my first time making a deck that doesn't boil down to "Make big creatures and swing to the face".

>>51477101
Stop posting this

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>>51477101
Go blog somewhere else. No one cares here.

>>51476769
It's not that strong of a card, and it's less than 2$.

I don't think you are getting what makes the land strong.

>>51477150
>>51477153
Deeply sorry and will not be proceeding to do it. I mean there must be room for discussions about the commander with the biggest tits.

>>51477143
Rashmi wants a lot of instants so that you can extract maximum value from her, I haven't built the deck so I can't say exact numbers, you should look at some existing decks and see what ones feel right to you then build your deck and play it make changes based on how the deck feels.

>>51477220
I don't think you're even paying attention.

>>51477220
Yes I'm agreeing. I'm saying they would make the card for those reasons.
We agree in this, the land is infinitely better than the magus, that's the point of the magi cycle.

>>51477241
Sharuum or Kalemne, but I'd lean towards Sharuum.

>>51477241
But nobody was talking about anything like that.

It's a solved deal. Everybody knows Kaalia has the biggest breasts of the legendary creatures. Honestly, hers are probably bigger than any other card in the game, legendary or not. C'mon.

>>51477279
>not even a giant
Wrong.

>>51477273
But that's cheating, Kalemne is a giant. Just because she's 20 ft tall doesn't change the fact that, proportionally, her breasts don't look to be anything worth writing home about. They're just normal boobs on her.

>>51477311
You said largest, never said anything about proportions!

Dudes, Shruum is stacked. You cannot deny this.

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>>51477241
Good? No.
Huge tits? Oh yeah.

>>51477382
What do you expect from a combo piece in the command zone.

>>51477382
Plus if you tell her a new riddle, she'd be putty in your hands.

>>51477362
The size of the breasts is only ever relevant if you consider the size of the figure they're attached to. Tits that would be great bangers attached to a wimpy fairy would be mosquito bites on any other figure, so it stands to reason that the essential aspect of the boobs are their proportions relating to the body it belongs to.

>>51474850
>>51474836

This is very similar to mine, nice job!

>>51477412
Dude, that's not true at all. That's what you have to do just to talk to her, read her flavor text:
>To gain audience with the hegemon, one must bring a riddle she has not heard.
You'd probably need an entire book of good shit before she'd let you so much as look.

>>51477279
Hahaha well that backfired. I give up, I aint posting it again.
Ps.Kallia's are quite nice indeed

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>>51477241
If Sharuum counts, surely so do divine fish tiddies.

>>51477385
Would've been so much better if it gave all creatures you cast the Unleash ability.

And even then still wouldn't be great.

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>>51471057
Why cant you get on my sonic the hedgehog levels of cool? Gotta go go gadjet izzet deck and make something so convuluted and stupid that it only has a 3784/1 chance of actually working but never tell me the odds. Make sure to plug yourself directly into the matrix when you enter the infinate and use the best hearthstone card to gain 100 red mana to break rules and win with battle of wits.

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>>51477814
Go away

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>>51477814

>>51477578
>>51477279
wat? I'm looking at her card right now and I don't get what you guys mean.
1. I can barely see them because of the color scheme
2. what I see doesn't look that enormous
She's drana level impo

>>51477944
I had a bigger art version, but believe it, man. If you look closer you can see them. They're practically spherical, desu, it's almost a bit cartoony.

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>>51478074
Different anon, I don't really see it either.

I mean, they're nice, but definitely not biggest.

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>>51478074
>>51478154
yeah with this larger pic they're surely nice but definetely not the biggest in mtg

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this can be spicy in sidisi

>>51478408
Have you tried it? seems fine i guess. What are you hoping to see on top?

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>>51471057
>Do you play unconventional/unique decks?
Hell yeah I do, and it is the bane of my playgroup. everyone is scared shitless of Kozi and I love it.

Yo, anyone willing to help a brother out? With taxes coming up, I should be getting a nice surplus of money, so of course I'm going to be wasting it on cards. There's a deck I've been working on for a while and before I go and order all the pieces, I was hoping one of you kind anons could take a look at my list and see if I'm possibly missing anything, any secret tech I might want to know about, shit like that.

Decklist: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titania-ravager-of-lands/

Also, any songs that deal with the rampant destruction of nature? Preferably on Nature's own part or done in a positive light?

>>51478508
>Also, any songs that deal with the rampant destruction of nature? Preferably on Nature's own part or done in a positive light?
Uh... what?
Explosive Vegetation, maybe? I'm not really sure that what you're talking about makes any sense.

>>51475144
I like you.

>>51478519
I imagine he wants to play a song while whipping out his de(i)ck

>>51478476
post a decklist? i have one too but it doesnt shit all over my play group, maybe its a difference in meta or something

>>51478519
That second part, I mean songs with a theme of the destruction of Nature, done in a positive light. I wanna give the deck a [STAND] name. But before that, deck advice.

>>51478547
Yes, more or less.

>>51478508
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titania-ravager-of-lands/
List looks pretty solid, but i am no green mage so what do i know. only thing i can think of is pic related. if you have omlette of nigger and this you can just grab all the lands from your deck and make a shitload of 5/3s

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>>51477241
Its Nin. Its always Nin.

>>51478570
don't have it on tapped out, gimme a sec to get a nice picture of the list for you. anything to help a fellow Brozilek.

>>51478576
I don't think there are any. You're seriously trying to make a deck in order to name it something clever? Shouldn't you, I dunno, build the deck before you name it?

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>>51478603
this thing. dammit

>>51478408
What does it do, exactly?

>>51478641
The dude just wants a song that works with the theme of land destruction.
>>51478508
Get a alter of her as trogdoor? burn the countryside? sorta loose

if you don't name your yidris deck [W H E E L P O W E R A N D G O] you're a piece of shit

>>51478603
>>51478665
Do you mean Amulet of Vigor? Yeah, I have one. What should I cut for those two cards, if you have any suggestions?

>>51478641
Decklist is done for the most part, just trying to tighten it up and find a good name.

>>51478688
No, never liked that meme/whatever it is. Always thought it was stupid. Thanks though. No songs you can think of?

Hell, I know for a fact /tg/ has a fuck ton of Metalheads, there HAS to be some song out there that puts environmental destruction in a positive light or at the very least, something Nature does on it's own.

>>51477033
don't forget your overshield of dusk

>>51478772
if you use english brackets with normal, spaced-out allcaps text you're a lazy hipster

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Here's my interesting deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-want-to-die-1/
Any suggestions?

>>51478886
Do you mean "Oversoul of Dusk"?
It seems pretty decent, but putting it in a deck with "Krond the Dawn-Clad" seems a bit weird. Did you mean "Shield of the Oversoul"? That makes more sense.

>>51478928
Damn dude. I'm high as fuck. That's what I meant. Also I forgot the flying bit which might make it redundant.

>>51478983
Indestructible for three and +2/+2 for 2(g/w) is nothing to sneer at though.

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>>51478476

>>51476614 here. It's fucking crazy how brutal a good colorless deck can be. The best games I can remember lately are mostly 1v1ing my buddy's Narset deck, because I'm hardcasting shit so fast I can keep up with a deck that plays itself for free.

It's the best.

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>>51478570
heres the list, sorry it took a while. i still need the old titans, a crucible, and a grim monolith. ive got a paradox engine i want to try out, but i havent put it in yet. lemme know if you have any questions.

>>51479073
T A P P E D O U T
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>>51479126
IM SORRY.

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>"budget" list
>600 dollars

>>51479073
what about the mana base?

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>>51479253
the manabase is not perfect, but is pretty damn good. I'm missing Vesuva and my full land destruction package (along with the crucible) which will replace some of the weaker utility lands I am running. I get a lot of value out of my lands in most games.

>>51479468
>>51479073
your decks looks like a real menace from what I can see
I'd love to play against it

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>>51479126
I recently made a Kozilek deck as well, although it's not nearly as strong as the above list.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kozilek-the-glaring-distortion/

I've changed the deck a bit since the image (since I manage to gather like 3-4 new cards every time I play with it).

Overall kozilek just really wants fast mana.

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>>51478679
RTFC

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>>51478508
I have a Titania that I've piloted for the better part of a year now. That being said their are a few cards that I would consider cutting outright from your list:

Fungus Elemental is just bad. You can only activate his ability on the turn he came in, which makes alpha striking someone almost impossible without concordant crossroads-- a card which you should run. There are better options for land saccing, if that's what you're desperate for. Claws of Gix would be a better replacement. Personal favorite of mine is Kudzu, which gives you the added benefit of throwing it on someone's only source of blue, or maybe a Cabal Coffers, if need be. Another great one is Fortitude. It cannot be understate how good being able to both protect Titania, and generate additional elementals is. Not only that, but if someone destroys it, or exiles Titania, the card just goes back to your hand.

Zendikar's Roil, while a neat card, is way to slow for what you want to be doing. A five mana generate a few 2/2s over the next few turns is nice, but is ultimately left in the dust in comparison to the 5/3s you'll be pumping out with your commander.

Rites of Flourishing and Ghirapur Orrery aren't necessary and are counterproductive to your game-plan. You should be able to ramp and generate enough card advantage on your own to not need these cards. All they'll be doing is helping your opponents catch up to you and deal with the threats you'll jzzing on the board once they have the mana. Being able to kill the wrathing player before they have the mana to wrath is crucial towards maintaining tempo.

Part 1/3

>>51479813
Centaur Vinecrasher isn't great. He's just a big dumb recurable beater. Genesis would be a better replacement.

Manabond is a trap. Trust me. When it's great it's great, but when it's bad, oh baby, is it fucking terrible. The only time manabond is good is when you have it in your opener with five or more lands. That's it. Drawing into it, or having in your opener with 3 or 4 lands just makes it into a dead card. While it plus loam plus tranquil thicket is a neat combo, it's not a combo worth running.

I see that there's a token subtheme in the deck from the inclusion of Beacon of Creation, Parallel Lives, Doubling Season, etc. but your aren't properly utilizing the going wide aspect of it all-- the only overrun effect I see is Kamahl. I'd consider dropping at the very least the Beacon and probably Doubling Season, which can be slow and very much win-more.

You also seem to be lacking much card draw. I'd address that.

My only other critique that I feel the need to levy at your deck is your inclusion of cards such as Vernal Bloom, Patron of Orochi, and to a lesser extent Vorinclex and Caged Sun. Big mana is nice, but for the most part Titania does not need very much mana to do what she's designed to do. Once you get to five or six mana you don't need much more to function as a deck. These type of effects are a bit win more, and in the case of Patron and Bloom have the added effect of potentially helping your opponent. What Titania wants is fast, early game ramp, like Elvish Mystic, Priest of Titania, etc. that will help accelerate her out as soon as possible.

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>>51479835
More potential Inclusions:
>Kavu Lair and Elemental Bond
low cmc ways to draw shit tons of cards with Titania
>Greater Good
card draw is good, and this card is one of the best ways of doing just that
>Harrow
Ramp that synergizes with Titania
>Edge of Autumn
Early ramp, or an elemental when you need it-- never a dead card.
>Natural Balance
MLD is great and this is the best you'll find in mono-green, especially when another green player is getting too far ahead. One of my favorite combos is using this in conjunction with a sac outlet for your lands, and saccing down to zero lands.
>Smokestack
For when aggroing them out just isn't an option.
>Natural Affinity
Always the best response to a wrath when Titania's out.

There's probably more that I missed, but I'm not gonna stress about it. I sure hope any of this helps!

Part 3/3

>>51472861
>run this card in a gruul deck
>deck is 87% permanents
>mfw i always get 3 lands then exile Selvala's Stampede
fuck my life.

>>51471057
my special snowflake deck is a Riku deck that is full of redirect/spell copying abilities. Very casual, just ramp until i have a bunch of mana.


Its win conditions is either stealing cool spells of enemies, copying X burn spells, OR my favorite playing multiple copies of pic related.

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>>51480011
FUCK
forgot pic

>>51473059
If your deck got B in it, tainted lands are always your friend, still in that line of thought of having B on your deck? Always get a fucking demonic tutor. Its a must, and you'll never regret it.
Going two or three colors? Get all the signets.
If you got G, Caryatid is neat to have, protects itself and ain't expensive.
Cheap ramp for going mono with any color that isn't G? Thawing Glaciers will save your ass.
Another important question is whether you're going french or normal commander (I prefer normal to be fairly honest.), which means no sol ring and the like if french, if not, get it too.
Always have a board wipe in deck, GR got savage twister, W has a plethora of good wipes that are cheap, R has pyroclasm which is quite cheap for what it does, B got a lot of cheap wipes for weaker creatures like Languish, and G... well, Nevinyrral's Disk is there for us right? however, a bunch of wipes for enchantments and artifacts are there. Of course, if going multi colored do take advantage of mixing wipes. Oh and I forgot about blue, mass bouncing is available too such as Upheaval.

>>51479811
No, I mean, why fucking bother with it? 3 mana for a 1/3 that MIGHT have a useful ability? It's intriguing, I'll give it that, which is why I asked: what does it do that makes it worth a damn? What abilities are you peeling from the top of your library, and how are you making those abilities peelable consistently in a way that justifies running this card?

Faggot.

>>51473059
Buy a preconstructed deck each, and upgrade them as you see fit.

>>51480130
But also look up which ones are either very strong or very weak out of the precons. Most releases have a power disparity from one year to the next. If you get Kalemne and he gets Meren, you're in for a bad time.

>>51480024
>caryatid
Not even close to good enough in EDH, you should never play this over Sakura-Tribe Elder

>>51473059
Honestly, I'd recommend you just pick up a preconstructed EDH deck.

They are pretty well made, and it doesn't take a huge amount of effort to get going.

The most efficient and cheapest way to build decks is purchasing singles online, but that requires wider knowledge of the game, particularely deckbuilding principles and which cards even exist.

Usually EDH is played with more than 2 players, preferably 4, so if you have a few more that might be interested, rope them in. If you don't, there's another variant called Duel Commander that you can follow.

>>51479813
>>51479835
>>51479849
Thank you very much! I appreciate the help. I don't have any disagreements here except of Kamahl. Are you saying I should remove him? Because he's not just for the Overrun effect but also sniping lands when boardwipes happen, plus unlike most Overrun effects, he's repeatable, which is something I really stressed upon. Also, about early game rampers, isn't enter to use those that grab lands, rather than mana dorks, seeing as most of them don't have Haste and grabbing lands is directly helping your strategy?

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>>51480226
>turn 2 sakurai tribe elder while playing Meren.

>>51480226
But those do entirely different thing. At least compare it to BoP or something other relevant.

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>Convert to playing EDH after many months with pals on campus
>Finally get highschool friends back into playing MTG by introducing them to how EDH works
>Play like two normal games before these faggots wanna make a house rule to make commander damage not a thing

>>51480437
play something to make them realize why commander damage is needed.

>>51480437
commander damage was introduced to me slowly because when i started i thought edh was the gayest thing ever, and it made it more like 60.

>>51480437
>>51480453 this
lifegain decks aren't even that degenerate, just drop a Congregate or two against their token deck and watch'em fume. They'll be really into commander damage after that

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>>51480437
>have a resident lifegain player who constantly whines about commander damage.
>kill him instead with infect
>suddenly wants to houserule infect up to some shit like 30
>then beat him with Sorin Markov
>Wanted to then houseban Sorin
I'm glad he stopped showing up.

>>51480433
they are in the same mana slot, and no they do not. They are played for ramp, sakura does it in a way that doesn't vanish along with the first boardwipe, which usually happens 4-6 turns into a game.

>>51475108
Magus of Worlds

you have to pay mana to activate its crucible ability.

>>51480581
Then why would you even play it over the real deal?

>>51480615
Maybe it costs cheaper than its artifact counterpart, and in Singleton, having another one is nifty.

Just like most of the Maguses, really

>>51480564
Well, I wasn't really defending Caryatid. I thought it was 3 mana anyway.
Wipes are meta dependant, where people only have a couple of good wipes they can tutor and best wipes are land or artifact wipes.

>>51479468
>>51479073

i like it

>>51479188
if your not willing to spend some dosh magic isnt the game for you freindo

>>51480615
Why would you play Magus of the Wheel/Tabernacle/Coffers/Moat/Will/Jar over their counterparts?

You don't. You run them as an additional copy, or as a budget option.

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>>51480453
My latest deck is Voltron. They know what that implies. It's blatantly against its purpose.
>>51480509
>>51480453
See they tend to go lifegain routes more often than by some means in their decks but they think commander damage nullifies any reason to try and gain life. They complain that it's an easier means of winning by infect (guess what they'd often complain about back when we played constructed).

>>51480793
Extremely few playgroups are competetive EDH.

So while MLD is the best wipes, it's also the least fun and therefore least used.

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>>51480823
>>51480615
Sometimes the Magi are good BECAUSE they're creatures, situationally speaking.
>Boros deck, no cards in hand
>activate Magus of the Wheel
>draw into gas, Sun Titan
>cast Sun Titan, reanimate Magus of the Wheel
>mfw
this happens pretty often, actually

>>51480321
>Are you saying I should remove him?
Oh, no, I was suggesting you run more. They're great, especially Overwhelming stampede.

Also the dorks are great, because having 3 mana on turn 2 means any amount of 3 drop ramp means a turn three Titania. Also, look at your curve. It really peaks at three, and so being able to cast any number of those spells a turn faster is just more efficient for your deck. Grabbing lands is kind of moot. You should be drawing enough cards and making enough land drops with your extra land drop effects to never really run into any problems with not having enough lands to sac.

>>51480981
Well, I have played in groups where wraths have been more frowned upon than land wipes. Some people can't just tolerate creature wipes.
They're that kind of peope that focus on just playing creatures and don't have any way to recur them like if you wrath you might as well have AWOLed them because they're never coming back.

>>51481134
damn, boardwipes are so common in my meta that you can't expect to keep anything around for a turn, and if you do, you usually win.

>>51481228
Creature wipes are really rare, because no one runs that much creatures aside from few decks like friend's Yisan. Most decks have a maximum of 3 creatures other than the commander.

>>51481027
you can just as easily
>cast wheel
>get Eternal Witness,
>Grab Wheel
>Cast Wheel

>>51481321
In Boros?

>>51481350
No, but in general. The magus cards are almost always worse than the thing they are imitating for a reason. Being a creature is very very rarely a benefit.
Magus of the Wheel takes 2 turns and 5 mana to Wheel with. Not better than Wheel of Fortune in enough cases to make it a fair fight.

>>51481321
Oh, and Wheel of Fortune is also a sorcery, while if in the given example I happened to have Fervor out or an Anger in the graveyard (right after discarding my hand), I can activate it at instant speed. Creature abilities are also much more difficult to counter than sorceries.

>>51481389
>Being a creature is very very rarely a benefit.
No, I don't think that's worthy of two "very"s. One very, maybe. But the fact that it's on a permanent means that it can be placed back onto the battlefield and saved for later with effects like Resurrection, Emeria Shepherd, Miraculous Recovery, Sun Titan, Angel of Glory's Rise, Vindicate, Rescue from the Underworld, etc. Wheel of Fortune can't attack or block when you're short on creatures, either.

Please note that I'm not making a claim like "Magus of the Wheel is strictly better than Wheel of Fortune." That would be wrong and stupid. Wheel of Fortune is an all-star, and it's as expensive as it is for good reason. But Magus of the Wheel enjoys a number of niche advantages over it thanks to the versatility of creature-based abilities.

How many counter spells is too many or too little in a deck not entirely dedicated to counter spells? I'm sitting on about six or seven right now and unsure whether to cut one for counterspell or just cut something else out for it.

>>51481393
Creature spells aren't more difficult to counter than noncreature spells, though.
"gets countered" isn't an argument. You'd need to cast sun titan, and it needs to resolve. You're hinging on the exact same thing that you're telling me Wheel is hinging on.

>>51481452
I'm running 3 in my Hanna, no counting Decree of Silence. I think you're safe cutting one, depending on what they are.

>>51481465
>You'd need to cast Sun Titan, and it needs to resolve.
That's a fair point. But Artisan of Kozilek doesn't need to resolve, and neither does Bruna, the Fading Light, nor do Plains drops if you've already managed to get Emeria Shepherd on the field.

>>51481452
7-8 is a pretty good amount for a deck that wants counters just to stop combo/protect your own combo, it's what I usually end up with.

>>51481497
>9 mana, 7 mana, 7 mana
Not really convincing anyone here.

>>51481539
I don't have to. I already made my point three times now: under niche circumstances, Magus of the Wheel can do things which Wheel of Fortune cannot, because the first card is a permanent and the second one is not. If you're waiting for me to convince you that it's better than Wheel of Fortune, I already told you I can't because it's not. I don't know what you want from me.

>>51480814
budget usually means sub 100, 50, and even 25.

also zada would like a word with you kiddo

>>51481497
>7 mana and 9 mana to recur a 3/3 wheel to the board
>that then needs 2 more mana to use, if you have Anger in the 'yard and don't need to wait until your next turn
Nah

>>51480537
Were they playing Oloro? I feel like they were playing Oloro.
Oloro players whine about
>getting "ganged up on" even when it stops after their life total gets to about where everyone else is
>commander damage
>infect
>if someone won't let them start at 40 life in 1v1
>enchantment removal on their pillowfort

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>>51481623
I'm not saying it's an all star play for heaven's sakes. I don't understand what's so controversial about this. Eternal Witnessing it back isn't something you can do in Boros unless you feel like running, I don't know, Codex Shredder.

There's also the fact that you can cast Magus of the Wheel early on and wheel later on somebody else's turn, for example on the turn before your turn's end step. You'd start the turn with 7 cards in hand and no mana tapped. Yeah, it costs 5 mana in total to do so, but it's spread out, and 5 mana for a wheel isn't unreasonable: Reforge the Soul is that when you don't get the Miracle cost. 5 mana, spread out, for a wheel that's easier for me to recur in my colors than Wheel of Fortune sounds pretty good to me.

It's not even to say I would run Magus of the Wheel over Wheel of Fortune. I thought I'd made that clear, but maybe not. Like I said, I don't know what you want me to say.

>>51481787
I played an Oloro player ONCE in multiplayer and they did all of that and more. They fucking complained if someone attacked them, complained if someone stopped their combos, complained if someone did ANYTHING to them while saying shit like "I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING! WHAT THE HECK?!" My friends and I scooped against him because he was taking twenty minute turns and playing grindy as fuck while not doing much of anything. We decided to never play with him again. Fuck Oloro players.

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I want a fun deck with a good amount of interaction and answers but I dont know what to build. I have the itch to build but dont know where to start

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>>51482031
AND IF YOU POST
>edhrec random
IM GONNA REE

Are voltron decks any fun? Bruna in the OP seems cool but i feel like you can get blown the fuck out by a single grave pact

>>51482031
Dralnu, Lich Lord. Go hard or don't go at all.

>>51481917
Sounds about right. They all play pillowfort with maybe a bit of stax and like one wincon in the whole deck.

>>51482102
Thassa Voltron. She's already a 5/5 indestructible for 3, only hard part is getting to, and keeping, devotion.

>>51482506
and losing that devotion will instantly make all enchantments and equipments fall off, nor does she give herself evasion.

Thassa is fucking terrible as a voltron commander.

>>51481617
and that isnt what the average magic player thinks when he thinks budget

this game is not for poorfags, it never has been and it never will be

>>51482102
voltron is cool if you like one shotting people. there are better voltron commanders though imo

>>51482804
yes it is. 100$ is budget for both modern and standard, legacy is like 300$

>>51483142
thats pretty delusional anon

I just picked up one of these guys. Who should i take out for it?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/za-jundo/

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>>51483165
forgot picture.

>>51482506
>>51482702
just do sapling voltron

>>51483156
It's pretty true. You can build budget infect, soul sisters, budget tron, or budget elves for all under 100 in modern
30 dollar budget magic was just posted today by The Mana Source
and Legacy Burn, Oops All Spells, Belcher, and even Turbo Depths can be built for around 300 without sacrificing consistency.

Any spicy tech for Shu Yun besides the usual "slap cantrips on the field and hope for the best"?

>>51483190
If they didn't sacrifice consistency they'd be the 100% list not a budget list

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>>51483198
I like this.

everyone told me not to play Derevi and I almost stopped thinking of playing cards but now I'm going to run Bant control with Derevi as my only creature no one gonna stop me

>>51483237
can you attach the sword from your hand?

>>51480437
>>51480453
>>51480468
>>51480509

the commander damage rule is stupid and unnecessary. lifegain still wouldnt be a good strategy if commander damage wasnt a thing

its stupid because it makes no sense flavorwise, and because it makes lifegain as a defensive tool, go from an interesting option among many that may or may not work, to something completely and utterly useless and irrelevant

why? magic was designed with lifegain as a functional part of the equation, why did retarded faggot sheldon decide to make this arbitrary rule that serves no fucking purpose?

i hate sheldon so goddamn much

>>51483361

>derevi as only creature

why though? doesnt her ability refer to having other cretaures?

>>51483396
You are either an Oloro player, or someone who has never played against one.

>>51483226
Belcher, Oops all Spells, Burn and Turbo Depths are fully formed, no upgrades needed at 300 dollars.
You've never played legacy, have you.

>>51483396
>t. Oloro player.
Mad we had an answer to your infinite life, I see.

>>51483429
yeah if you want your turn to take forever, you can treat her like an instant flash haste babe birb

>>51483435
>>51483483

as i said, lifegain is not an effective strategy regardless of the commander damage rule

oloro is powerful but he's the exception in terms of lifegain, and i definitely dont play oloro, im not a fan of decks that dont have any interest in casting the commander

commander damage is just retarded, makes no sense, serves no purpose. if you have a low-power meta, you can ban infinite combos, so infinite lifegain is nbd. if you have a normal meta, infinite life is nbd anyway

>>51483178
>>51483165
bumping for answer

>>51483375
What? Of course not, why would you think that?

Story time, /tg/
>playing Slobad I think practically everyone on here has a Slobad deck now vs Rafiq
>He has kind of a slow opener, not much turn 1 or two
>I have t1 Expedition Map, crack it turn 2 for Strip Mine
>He misses land drop, I capitalize on it and Mine him
>next turn play Tangle Wire
>Getting in Slobad beats while he's tapped down
>Play Ichor Wellspring as fodder for Wire
>Lucksack topdeck Petrified Field, get back Strip Mine and hit him with it again
>get enough mana for Scrap Mastery when Wire runs out
>Sac board and Mastery to reset Wire
>Sac Map for Inventors Fair
>Sac for Crucible of Worlds
>Replay and sac again for Winter Orb
>Play Winter Orb and start Mining out his lands
>Win with Slobad commander damage
>guy never got more than 4 mana all game
Who needs to play U to be a control deck?

>>51483529
because equipping is a battlefield thing but I don't know about attaching

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>>51483540
I do not have an artifact deck and I never will

>>51483575

the key here is that the card says it attaches itself to X, when a permanent card refers to itself, it refers to itself as a permanent once in play. any abilities it has only apply when its in play unless they specify that they work in some other zone, this is basic magic stuff m8

>>51483586
Hey some people play myr tribal.

>>51477522
So nothing to add? I've been wanting advixe on it for a while, before I choose to buy it. Glad that there isn't anything wrong with it.

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>>51483600
>>51483575
And for cases where cards function in other zones than on the battlefield, the card explicitly states so.

Like Bridge from Below and Bloodghast.

>>51483600
right it's not just any time you can read the text, like things you can play from the graveyard

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>>51483698
or this bugger

>>51483733
Damn card was basically the invisible stalker of fate reforged limited.

Unblockable creature that's basically impossible to get rid of.

>>51483540
>Who needs to play U to be a control deck?

you were playing 1v1. of course your stax bullshit was gonna be super effective

>>51483540
>tfw you were preaching to /edhg/ about the wonders of Slobad over 3 years ago

I'm glad you guys finally saw the light

>>51483607
Myr tribal is great, I'm so excited to put paradox engine in my myr deck, it should make a lot of my combos easier to pull off.

>>51483505
>and i definitely dont play oloro
So you've never played against Oloro, as I pointed out. Good to hear.
>if you have a low-power meta, you can ban infinite combos, so infinite lifegain is nbd
I played in a four player game last night where the one fellow gained about two hundred life and doubled it twice. He wasn't playing Oloro, so Oloro is not the exception.
>serves no purpose
Balance.
>makes no sense
Is an effective solution to egregious lifegain available to EDH decks and an interesting variation to allow for viable "Voltron" style play.
>is just retarded
And that's a non argument.

>tfw you play Oloro
>run Forcefield, Righteous Aura and Glacial Chasm

Screw your commander damage!

Pretty much have zero lifegain in my deck, the best use of Oloro is to play a proper control deck and have the lifegain offset the life you lose to tax effects like the cards mentioned above, phyrexian arena, mana crypt / vault and random utility creatures swinging your way.

>>51483733
if I understand edh correctly the text words don't count as identity

>>51484238
True, also reminder text doesn't.

>>51484273
yeah like extort thankfully

>>51483165
bumping for answers again

>>51484520
Add
Tainted Strike
Greater Good might be decent here
You've got one half of the Rock and Millions, might as well have Hermit as well.

>>51484589
i meant about adding avenger of zendikar, but tainted strike could be an idea, along with the temur double strike instant

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I have done some tinkering with my Surrak Dragonclaw deck over the months and I would appreciate any input you guys could give short of overhauling the entire deck.

>http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/271576

I am trying to use energy a bit and I feel that Aethertide Whale should possibly be an Aethersquall Ancient.

>>51483540
I play Hope of Ghirapur artifact recursion and it is great, I don't do stax effects but watching the game go out of control with Lifeline because of too much control is pretty good.

>>51483540
I think I'm going to need a list.

>>51484723
Yeah, Hope's been huge for me. I had a guy go T1 Mystical Tutor for Show and Tell and T2 Enlightened for Omniscience and Hope+Goblin Welder and Tangle Wire kept him off mana long enough to kill him before he could cast SnT.

>>51484969
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/slobad-stax-3/
Here you are, I don't have a Forcefield, Mana Crypt or Workshop otherwise they'd be in here. Other than that I'm pretty happy with the list.

Wanted to build a fun, goofy deck that could still pull out a win every now and then for my casual playgroup, and I made this abomination. Tell me how awful I am, guys.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rekidec/

>>51472934
> Needing an infinite combo to win.
> Not overwhelming your opponents with intense card draw and thicc creatures.
> Not using blue sun's zenith as an alternate wincon.
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

I only have room for one more in my OG Sigarda Enchantress deck.

I also included Grand Abolisher already.

Since I literally only have 2 instants, should I pick City of Solitude, or Dragonlord Dromoka for anti-counterspells?

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>>51477607
The only downside is you have to be completely devoted to her. Bassandra isn't as needy.

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I want to play this in my Mizzix deck because of how ridiculous it is but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to win with it. infinite mana and combo off I guess?


>>51485263
do you have enchantment synergy? if yes then run city, if not then run dromoka

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shu-yun-the-double-strike-flying-monk

Help me on this Shu Yun deck /edh/. Too boring? Any spicy tech I should add? Anything that is trash that I should take out?

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>>51485442
>play pic related
>play everything else
ezpz

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Shitter here. I kind of want to buy a commander sealed deck, if only to have something to play with my friends when they get back from college because they don't play standard.
I'm looking into the 2015 ones because Atraxa is like 70 bucks. I understand that the B/G is the best from a playing point, but I like the colors of U/G better.

TL;DR what's the best sealed commander deck?

>>51485138
You need more ramp and kill spells. Looks fun though.
>>51485263
City of solitude cause you use enchantments
>>51485487
Looks weird from the ones I've seen cause you have other creatures like narset.
>>51484723
What cards do you use in hope of ghirapur edh? I've been wanting to make a colorless edh for a while and that guy looks interesting

>>51485644
U/G is pretty solid from what I've seen, Ezuri manages to make small creatures get fucking swole fast.

The Commander precons tend to be a lot better quality than pretty much all the rest of them, you can't go wrong just picking the one you like best, really.

need lists for Mayael. Not sure how to balance ramp and fuckhuge creatures with these colors.

>>51478917
Bumping and deck cycling to try and get some fucking ideas.

>>51485644
I'd personally vote for getting Freyalise's Precon from a couple years ago. I've been able to find it at MSRP at a bunch of stores, and that thing is super fun to play.

But out of 2015, both Ezuri and Meren are head and shoulders above the rest. For Newzuri, add in Sage of Hours potentially, 1 card makes the deck magical.

Ghoulcaller ? Avenger ? Mycloth ? Creakwood ? Ophiomancer ? Endrek

how would you rate the importance of these, anons?

>mana drain should be banned
>lol? there are much worse cards that need to be banned, like force of will
>force of will should be banned
>lol? force of will? there are like 100 cards that need a ban more than force of will does, there's no reason to ban force of will. for example, mishra's workshop is way more bannable
>ban mishra's workshop then
>LMAO you really think mishra's workshop is going to be banned before tolarian academy? fucking kill yourself
>why not ban that card then
>AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA need i remind you about gaea's cradle
>>10 years later
>there's no reason to ban mana crypt as long as sol ring exists
>ban sol ring then
>no

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>>51479126
To be fucking honest, I much rather see a picture of a deck with character over some lines of text without soul.

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>Do you play unconventional/unique decks? What is the most interesting one you have?

Next to my Boon Karador, Brago, Breya and Xengod lays my oldest deck.
U/W tribal birds. It's surprisingly strong and always brings out a laugh and some amount of salt when it swings for 35 in the air.

>>51486566
But Tolarian Academy is banned and has been a long time

>>51487832
well it should be unbanned because mana crypt isnt banned and its way better

>>51474667
you probably won't read this but use Icy Manipulator you dingus

>>51487881
hey, I read it and Icy Manipulator is pretty good, it didn't cross my mind at all and I like it though it is a little heavy on the mana side for my taste
I'll be adding it for now until I maybe find something I like better. thanks!

>>51481291
>3 creatures other than the commander.
Total bullshit

>>51488160
What? Only prevalent creature I remember is Lab Man. Creatures are used for utility, mainly.
Oh, and that's not counting me, I run 7 creatures (if I remember correctly) in my Hanna.

>>51485513

Am I the only one that's expecting this to get banned near instantly? Shit is insane for the new Improvise mechanic/mana dorks

>>51488305
it's a 5 mana artifact that combos with every single mana rock in the game. you can get it out as soon as turn 1-2 with said rocks and it should win you the game at that point. it is very hard to disrupt it since it can be protected with counterspell backup and instant-speed spellcasts to replenish mana, like gitaxian probes and stuff. so basically it's a 5 mana omniscience except it's an artifact so it's way easier to tutor for and yeah it costs half as much

in other words, sheldon will think it's okay because it can also be played in a krenko deck as a way to make more goblins

>>51488340
>gitaxian probes
correction, forgot it's a sorcery. however, cheap instant spells still exist, like brainstorm

>>51488305
This isn't banworthy. You're gonna need a shitload of nonland mana producers for it to do anything. Prophet was totally worth the ban, this isn't near that level. Prophet needed only lands.

>>51488368
>Prophet was totally worth the ban

I'm still salty Prophet wasn't legendary. Coulda made for suuuuuch a broken af commander.

>>51488368
>a shitload of nonland mana producers for it to do anything

really nigga

it requires a shitload of nonland producers? yeah? like 2? a tuned deck needs like 2 mana to cast its average spell, and it's REALLY not that hard to get enough mana rocks to produce 2 mana

and what reason do you have NOT to put those into your artifact centered deck? i can think of like 25 fucking crazy good mana rocks off the top of my head, and you can use those to cast Paradox Engine and then just immediately cast a 0-1 mana spell and oopsie woopsie you have all your mana again and wow now you can cast more draw spells and put down more mana rocks and ayy lmao you have infinite mana now

>>51488340
i agree with >>51488368
in certain decks it can be extremely strong but the fact that it says nonland permanent instead of artifact, creature and enchantment powers it down quite a lot. Just a minute ago I was trying to figure out a combo with itand Giraphur Aether Grid but it'd take too much set up to be worth it imo.
Prophet was on a whole other level.

>>51488449
what the fuck

i honestly dont know how you can't see how broken it is. you don't need a "combo". you just need paradox engine on the board with a single decent mana rock and then cast a spell. any spell! cast a gut shot on yourself! it doesn't matter. once you can cast one spell, you'll get all your mana back and at that point it's gg no re as long

let's say you have a mana vault and a signet. cast a spell with paradox engine out and you'll have 4 mana again. you can use that to cast a fact or fiction and you get your mana back AND more spells to cast. as long as you draw into more draw, you can easily draw your entire deck out while simultaneously casting mana rocks, until you get to the point where you can do whatever, like play labman and mill yourself or just draw into a proper infinite mana combo with your nigh-infinite mana and capsize the whole board to kingdom fuck. you don't need to "figure out a combo" for the card, it combos by itself if you just play a draw/rock heavy deck normally

please explain to me, with reason and logic, why you think it's not broken powerful

>>51488532
>it's gg no re as long you have a single draw/tutor/etc spell in your hand
meant that

>>51488532
it's not as broken as you think because what you want to do with it is play through your whole deck, but in order to set that up you need a few mana rocks, paradox engine itself, and something that let's you draw cards at will. those are 4 to 5 cards at least.
paradox engine and mana rocks by themselves won't let you do anything besides propably let your cast your hand + commander which is strong but not broken.
you're overestimating paradox engine

>>51488600
and you seem to think that gettin mana rocks and draw in your hand is some kind of a magical christmasland scenario, when it's really not. you only need around 18 draw cards in your deck to draw through it entirely with infinite mana. and that's not even counting the fact that you can just put in tons of tutors to take a shortcut to your wincons

>>51488403
Well, it was broken as a 99 as well so it works out.
>>51488442
While I agree that it's good, it's definitely not banworthy. How many draw spells are you running? Because you're not always having them on your hand. Besides, how is PE any better than other good infinites? You act like better infinites don't exist in EDH.
Thw most competitive decks don't run that because it's still 5 mana and usually you can just get what you want with that much mana with Ad Nauseam.

>>51488638
>Besides, how is PE any better than other good infinites?

because it's effectively a 1 card combo in any deck that can reasonably play it. it's not like "these 2 specific cards combo in your deck", it's "this card will combo with 25 of the cards in your deck"

>"there are better cards you can run"

yeah no shit, sheldon is a fucking moron, also see: >>51486566

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>>51488655

Steel Hellkite and Sunscorch Regent

>>51488632
>>51488652
>you only need around 18 draw cards
>only
are you kidding me? if a combo needs to whole deck to be designed around it, it's not good and 18 slots without counting mana rocks and paradox engine is tons of space.
there is tons of better stuff to run
>it's effectively a 1 card combo
now you make me laugh, no it isn't it's a 5 card combo at best
btw is that you desolator?

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>>51488655

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Yidris is the worst.
I ruined an entire game by playing him. I had "waste not" out and cascaded into a few wheel spells, so I basically had unlimited mana. Of course I spent that mana on more spells to cascade. After ten cascaded spells everyone else just gave up. The deck worked perfectly and I won and it was the most tedious and unfun end to a game I have ever had.
If you're thinking of building a Yidris deck, just don't.

>>51488700
I bought the precon and threw yidris in the fucking garbage and use Vial Smasher instead for maximum RNG

>>51488694

One of the coolest cards ever printed in Magic.

>>51488652
Well, the thing is that you're not having PE available in every game and if you're going out of your way to tutor for a 5 cost card that has no immediate impact unless you have a free spell in hand, you're not gonna do much in actual metas.

>>51488700
>Of course I spent that mana on more spells to cascade. After ten cascaded spells everyone else just gave up
seems perfectly reasonable for me.
a friend of mine plays a Savra, Golgari Queen deck that when it goes off it takes ages to figure out if it really does because you'll need to calculate how many mana you can generate and spend to generate more mana and card draw because he uses phyrexian and ashnod's altar.
it's so damn annoying when it wins he barely ever plays it anymore because it's just as tedious to pilot as it is to play against.

>>51488680
>now you make me laugh, no it isn't it's a 5 card combo at best
i guess, if you consider mike and trike to be a 12 card combo as well because you need 12 lands to be able to cast it

>>51488700
>I had "waste not" out and cascaded into a few wheel spells, so I basically had unlimited mana. Of course I spent that mana on more spells to cascade. After ten cascaded spells everyone else just gave up.
I see nothing wrong here just a fun game with Yidris at the helm.

>>51488735
you're just being silly now. why are you so obsessed with PE?
it's just not as good as you think accept it and move on in your life.

>>51488749
it is as good as i think it is, which is "too good"

>>51488757
Yeah, nah.
Not everything is OP you lost to, Desolator. Just fuck off and get back to whining about netdeckers.