How do you Paladin?

Start out with an idealistic hero.
If the DM lets him be a hero, great.
If it's a setting where everything is going to punish anyone who tries to be good, than I fall hard and become a blackguard.

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>>51466227
You dream the impossible dream, of course.

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>>51466227

>>51466320
In the book he regains his lucidity and renounces his adventures as madness that he is ashamed of.

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You fight Saracens, Chinese knights, harpies, evil wizards, fly to the Moon. Of course.

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>>51466227
With dance

>>51466227
Scroll of featherfall.

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>>51466227

There's no "you" in paladin, only an I and a Pal.

>>51466543
that sword grip bothers the fuck out of me.

>>51466568
Could easily be a ceremonial sword.

>>51466568
It's the dog's sword, they are supposed to be like that.

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>>51466227
Gotta smite all the evil.

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Like so

>>51466227
If you prefer urban fantasy, read Dresden Files, the books with the Knights of the Cross. Michael and Shiro are how you Paladin.

If you like comedy, read Discworld, the nightwatch books. Carrot is how you Paladin, Vimes is how you Grey Knight.

>>51466227
Focus on the small picture. What I do after the battle is just as important as what I do during it. Care for the injured, the orphaned, the widowed. If bandits attack the town, repair the damage they caused and secure the town before pursuing them.

Let the fighters and Vengeance paladins cut corners and shout about the "greater good". I became a paladin to help people.

>>51466227
paladin whose god once ordered them in a dream to kill all the other players

2 down, 3 to go

nobody suspects the LG

>>51467373
yawn

>>51467464
Sounds like you're not cut out for this.

>>51467482
What if I'm just tired?

>>51466227

By having ten million different clones of yourself, all with your face. And a horde of Otaku who eat that shit up.

>>51467505
Then it seems odd that you would reply to my post to say that. Unless what you're saying is that you're tired and you don't have a place to stay for the night.

>>51467533
Woah there.

Okay, you won. I'm out.

>>51467567
Please, please, I wasn't trying to out-paladin anybody, except maybe a little.

"Thou wert the meekest man", says Sir Ector to the dead Launcelot. "Thou wert the meekest man that ever ate in hall among ladies; and thou wert the sternest knight to thy mortal foe that ever put spear in the rest."

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>>51466227
I really want to be a hero in one of my games.

I DM for my friends. I DM for my friends' friends. I sometimes play games other people decide to run.

But I've never been able to just play a fucking hero; it's always about 'lesser of two evils' or 'lel, you're too weak to save these people' or 'casualties of war' shit. Just for once, I want to play a game where any of us can actually save the fucking day without 'muh darkness'.

I really just want to be a hero and do some basic heroism in a game someday.

Pic related, I suppose.

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>>51466368
And?

The fact is that he tried to live up to those impossible standards of people who never had the burden of existing in our world; the regaining of his sanity is portrayed as a travesty and a tragedy even in the text.

Too much sanity may be madness, but maddest of all, to see the world as it IS and not how it SHOULD be.

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>>51466227

Well, first, I play a fighter, and then base their mode of conduct around a moralistic philosophy of some sort. Then I politely refuse to play games where they included a class designed only to spur arguments.

Anyone that tries to play a Paladin without first reading Three Hearts and Three Lions needs to be stopped from playing a paladin.

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>>51466453
Kick a goat to the moon, or at the very least to the top of a mountain

>>51467325
>Michael Carpenter
My melatonin-enriched compatriot.

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>>51466227
Like this.

I must protect the party.

My paladin of choice appears at a casual glance is a large suit of armor that behaves like a bizzare combination of dark souls Solaire and Robocop. I loved that guy.

>>51467028
Damn you, now I have to read that manga again and see if she is worthy of being a paladin.

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WHO DARES BATTLE THE SARACEN

>>51470284
>poles and prussians
>saracens

Go to Spain or England if you want to kill moors that badly.

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>>51467454
>mfw everyone hated Robespierre because he drained the swamp(tm)
He dindu nuffin wrong except the Cult of the Supreme Being, that was full retard. He kept harping on about how degenerate atheists are, but instead of going Full Catholic he created Christianity without Christ.

>>51470305

Teutonic Knights went to the Holy Land too.

The line is from the Saxon song "Crusader" and from its context the knight is clearly back in Europe recruiting soldiers for the Crusade.

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BUT AS I LIVE, THERE IS NO EVIL THAT WILL STAND

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>>51466227
Gods are overrated. Paladins of Ideals are where it's at.

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>>51466227
MY IDEALS ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD

>>51466227
Don't be the team's morality mom. Don't be the stick in the mud.

Be the example. Be a guiding light.

>>51466227
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Powder_Keg_of_Justice

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>>51469486
How I feel in my current game not being able to do anything to help anyone.

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>>51466227
Annihilation of the Whore of Babylon.

>>51470284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhDbaah9DQ&nohtml5=False

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>>51466227
Shouldnt it be HOW DO YOU KINGU? in the context of Seibah?

>>51471112
>Lacu-chan! Give ekusukariba!

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>>51466227
like the first and only paladin i played this guy

>>51466368
The paladin fell.

>>51469628
Would that mean that Roland was the Cavalier?

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>>51471451
>YOU ARE HUGE, THAT MEANS YOU'RE A HUGE INFIDEL
>CLEAVE AND SMITE, CLEAVE AND SMITE YOUR SOUL

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>>51466227
By mourning every time a dead god's name is spoken.
Then murdering the fuck outta who said the name.
>Happy sanguinala!
>Blasphemy!
https://youtu.be/HTJwhS0-Y7U

>>51467028
How are you gonna post something like that and not mention the source...?

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>>51467373
I love GMing for a party with a Paladin like this. Watching their reaction to the logical consequences of being unable to not take an absolute "feel good" moral high-ground once in their life is great.

I think my favorite one was when the Rogue and the Fighter tried to kill the Paladin in rage after he refused to let the party pass by a small amount of people suffering while on the way to intercept the antagonist, leading them to being able to incinerate multiple villages, including some close friends of some of the party members.

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>>51466227
>not one Mumen Rider in this thread

1/10, see me after class.

>>51472025
I was just about to post him.

Mumen Rider is a true hero.
Saitama is also a good example. When he catches Mumen Rider after he failed to beat the Sea King, all he had to say was "You did fine. Nice fight."
The kind of character that it shows, that he's quite possibly the most powerful being in the universe and he still sees Mumen Rider's effort as valuable.
That's how a high-level Paladin should behave.

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I am but a man trying my best to right wrongs, with nothing but my sword, my shield, and my faith that God almighty walks beside me.

>>51472229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ypHGP3ImU

I actually used this same speech when playing a paladin and fighting a dragon in rise of Tiamat, the other players and dm loved it, also got the last hit on the dragon.

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A paladin is someone who does their best for as long as they can stand, because they feel obligated.
Anything else is just so much pointless talk.

>>51471966
There's more than enough information in that image for anyone interested to find it anon.

>>51472853
I found it shortly after I posted. I'm just a crossboarder from /a/ and it (at one point) was considered good form to put the title in the filename. It still tickles my 'tisms when people don't.

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I paladin the only way I know how. TO DREAM THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM!

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"Nakano Jin'emon constantly said, 'A person who serves when treated kindly by the master is not a retainer. But one who serves when the master is being heartless and unreasonable is a retainer. You should understand this principle well.'"

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>>51466227
To Defend: this is The Pact, but when life is scorned and damage done, The Pact is Vengeance!

>>51466837
How to Faggot.jpg

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>>51473441
>Serving a disgusting and immoral person just because he outranks you
No wonder Japan went full retard in WW2.

>>51466368
That's why I prefer the musical.

>>51473680
You'd be an awful paladin, then.

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>>51473720
>Implying a paladin isn't loyal to God first, God second, God third and worldly authority fourth

>>51473760
>implying your God is anything but a master

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>>51473680

It actually is a good principle because the definition of heartless and unreasonable changes from one person to another the retainer should always be loyal for the order to be held. It is the same thing in an army hierarchy really. Your commander might be a total failiure but if you refuse your superiors orders because you think it is wrong the entire structre collapses and there can be no army in the end.

Also this is how i paladin.

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i really like the way this guy does it

>>51473441
>Hagakure: a bureaucrats daydreams

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Pic related. I feel like people rarely find a way to portray even clerics or paladins as well learned in scripture and very faithful to it; even if they're willing to jump in front of a dragon due to a sense of justice that aligns with their god, they don't seem religious.
>>51472025
>>51472205
Good shit, I was hoping that he wasn't going to get left behind in the old flavor of the month pile.

>>51473888
I read it because I'm joining Trump's military soon. I needed to prepare myself to die somewhere near the South China Sea.

“Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day when one’s body and mind are at peace, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by arrows, rifles, spears and swords, being carried away by surging waves, being thrown into the midst of a great fire, being struck by lightning, being shaken to death by a great earthquake, falling from thousand-foot cliffs, dying of disease or committing seppuku at the death of one’s master. And every day without fail one should consider himself as dead.”

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Long time lurker, english not my first language, so bear with me.
I wanted to ask, if my playstyle as a paladin is a valid one. I try to be understanding and kind to almost everybody I meet (so much that i tried to talk down a naked, bloodied man in the forrest, later it turned out he was a werewolf ,and not the good one), but after repeated failed atempts to estabilish a friendly connection to a NPC (for example, a ships captain, who refuses our help in extremly stupid fashion), I start yelling (IRL and in character) at the NPC's, generally being quite rude to them and renoucing any kind of cooperation with them in reasonable situations (so if by accepting the help of the said NPC my char wont horribly die, i will do it, but grudgingly).
tl;dr > my paladin is half kind hearted dude and half a mouthy and extremly angry type of guy.

>>51473720
Paladins usually aren't loyal to lords

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>>51473969
please refer to >>51473785

>>51473988
>>51473785
>japaboo doesn't realise sucking your manager's dick and respecting your god's will isn't the same thing

>>51466227
Pretty well, apparently.

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>all these LE jackasses and LN vigilantes trying to pass themselves off as paladins
I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.

>>51473801
It's a good principle for organizations that need a clear chain of command and discipline to function, but this seems largely untrue of Paladins, at least in the fantasy sense. The loyalty to a God and set of principles is treated as a very personal thing driven by personal strength of will, not institutional group functioning. Paladins usually operate alone and are judged objectively not by their orders but by their Gods.

This, of course, doesn't have to be the case for all instances, but general thrust of Paladin discussion and analysis has been that blind adherence to a code of words rather than a spirit of ideals to guide your boat by is the wrong way to Paladin.

>>51473936

I like this. So your character acts prim and proper at first, but when the people you are dealing with continue to be assholes, you drop the facade and go full "LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHITSTAIN"? Good stuff.

>>51475246

Well if you didnt approve it you would not have followed that god in the first place anyway. Retort was against the above persons reply to the nakano quote.
But i have to agree that most people try to play the paladins as people who rely on word by word interpretation whereas it is only one of the interpretation methods. It is not that wrong approach but can definetly use some alternatives.

>>51471112
Did Saber even invite her own son (female) to her party?

>>51466846
Yes.

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>>51472749
>Dat filename.
Truly. Sayaka is an example of a paladin that couldn't live up to its ideals, mainly because she didn't quite understand what she was fighting for.

The true paladin is the one that, when being hurt, suffering from injustice, and all bad things in the world, thinks "I don't want this for any other person". Sayaka didn't pass that test.

Pic not necessarily related.

>>51474517
Just read that Saturday. Good shit.

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>>51466227

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I haven't played a paladin in a very long time, but if I were to do so again, I'd probably just play them as a Stoic.

The basic idea behind Stoicism is to cleave to the four basic virtues (Courage, Honesty, Temperance, Wisdom) and to pursue a greater civic duty to better the world around you without regard to either pleasure as a good or pain as an evil, as these are just illusions of the senses that get in the way of pursuing a virtuous existence. You're supposed to accept things that are outside of your control, and try to better what you can. Beyond that, they were also deterministic, and likened our existence to that of a dog being dragged behind a cart, who has the choice either of resisting and carrying on, or going along with it peacefully, but will get dragged behind that cart either way.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/stoicism/

Above is an article from Stanford about the phiosophy, and they're usually a pretty good introduction. Below is Meditations, the personal journal of Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, in which he reflects on his philosophical lessons as a Stoic. It wasn't intended to be a philosophical work (or to be published at all) but is both an important work of the philosophy (for showing how the philosophy works in practice to an extent) and serves as a pretty alright entry-level text to the philosophy.

http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html

It's a somewhat dry translation, however. If you enjoy it, I recommend picking up a more modern version.

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>>51474517
>It's another "good = nice" faggot
You know what that attitude leads to? Virtue signaling. Look how well that's working out for Germany and Canada. There's nothing more repulsive than a 'nice' person sacrificing others so he can feel good about himself.

>>51466227
My honor bound barbarian swore fealty to a prophet of her goddess, and serves as her bodyguard/space heater .

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>>51478419
>Look how well that's working out for Germany
Any minute now

>>51478419
Read the good book and try to be less angry, anon.

>>51478419
>Look how well that's working out for Germany and Canada. There

Canadian here. It works pretty OK for us.

>>51478506
This. Stop listening to /pol/ memes

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AnCap Paladin.

Economic freedom and personal property sovereignty > all, except NAP violations.

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>>51478491
You know Hitler was a confirmed Islamophile who considered Berbers to be Aryan, right?

>>51478497
>Read the good book
You mean that same Good Book where Jesus brandishes a whip, calls the Pharisees snakes and vipers, publically shames them by asking them if they've ever read the Torah and advises his followers to use shame tactics (turning the other cheek, giving your shirt when someone asks your cloak etc.) and got angry multiple times (rigtheous indignation they call it)?

The good = nice delusion is one that is incredibly modern, and the result of moral relativism. If we cannot decide what is right or wrong objectively, what remains are our feefees.

>>51478506
Did you check out what happened today? Ironically the very day after Justin "if you kill your enemies, they win" Trudeau criticized America's new immigration policy? If it didn't cost Canada six promising lives, I'd call it poetic.

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>>51478549
>You know Hitler was a confirmed Islamophile

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>>51466227

>>51478419
The thing is, a paladin should be concerned overall about the effects of their actions, good that does not create good is not good in any sense that matters, and part of this would involve more than just being a psychotic murder-machine that kills everything they see as evil.

The problem with paladins is that most people playing them don't apply a consistent ethical or moral philosophy to them, and instead go with a bizarre mishmash of kneejerk assumptions and idiotic memes.

Nobody should be allowed to play a paladin without first having a rudimentary grasp of philosophy.

>>51478549
>promising

Debatable, desu

>>51478583
>good that does not create good is not good in any sense that matters

That's a huge can of worms.

>not being a Paladin of Evola that literally rides a tiger

>>51478549
>Did you check out what happened today? Ironically the very day after Justin "if you kill your enemies, they win" Trudeau criticized America's new immigration policy? If it didn't cost Canada six promising lives, I'd call it poetic.

Part of maintaining a consistent ethical stance predicated on freedom means accepting that bad things will occasionally happen in pursuing this. This is a fundamental core of the liberal values that drive western society. I'm sorry that maintaining a consistent ethical stance when it gets a bit difficult is too much for you.

It's tragic those people died, but our society will continue on, and will not cave to the demands of terrorist filth.

>>51474517

It's what happens when /pol/ invades.

>>51478627
And what does that consistent ethical stance mean? Because the multiculturalism and "openness" Trudeau and his ilk are pushing for is the exact opposite of that: it's compromising with other ideologies that are clearly and evidently incompatible with whatever core values Canada claims to have.

Limiting the influence of these foreign cultures on the local culture (in which Trump is far from alone, look at Shinzo Abe's refugee policy for example) is a consistent ethical stance. "Tolerance" (in the modern sense, not the classical liberal sense) is the virtue of the virtueless.

At best the most open a society can be while still consistently defending its core values is what Charles de Gaulle argued for: very minimal migration with the explicit intent of 'abosrbing' the new groups. By which he meant they were to become as Frenchmen as much as possible, not to be accepted for their 'diverse' and 'vibrant' outlandish culture, for the last French president truly deserving of that title saw that as a detriment rather than enrichment.

>>51478611
>Evola

Absolute trash. He was a garbage philosopher that contributing nothing.

>That's a huge can of worms.

Indeed, consequentialism isn't without its faults. Which is why I don't advocate hard consequentialism. But any ethical stance that isn't built upon "what will this look like in practice? will it make a genuinely better society?" is nothing more than idealistic trash meant to make its adherents feel superior.

Even Kant built his ethics in part on what he felt the resulting society would look like.

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>>51478672
>every single thing I don't like is /pol/

>>51478700
People mistaking edgyness for a political stance seems to be.

>>51478672
>>51478731
>making offhand nazi/crusader/elf jokes is now a /pol/ thing
Thanks Trump

>>51478693
>And what does that consistent ethical stance mean?

You maintain a liberal society established with a structured rule of law to maximize the freedoms of its populace while maintaining a relatively stable social order.

>limiting the influence of these foreign cultures

Would require compromising the liberal values western society is built upon. They're still expected to abide by the law, and that's enough.

>Shinzo Abe

Terrible example. He's an authoritarian historical revisionist with close ties to an totalitarian organization. His stance isn't consistent, it's just autocratic.

>At best the most open a society can be while still consistently defending its core values is what Charles de Gaulle argued for: very minimal migration with the explicit intent of 'abosrbing' the new groups. By which he meant they were to become as Frenchmen as much as possible, not to be accepted for their 'diverse' and 'vibrant' outlandish culture, for the last French president truly deserving of that title saw that as a detriment rather than enrichment.

Any value system worth regarding leads by example, and doesn't need to strongarm people into adhering to it. Canada is doing just fine as a society, you're Chicken Little style fearmongering doesn't change this.

>>51478672
>implying pol and tg aren't inherently the same thing
>longing to live in a fantasy world where might is right and women know their place

>>51478700

>Fee-fees
>Virtue signaling
>Complaining about immigrants in Germany and Canada in a thread about fantasy paladins
>'AnCap Paladins'
>Hitler
>Check out this terrorist attack guys right after Trudeau criticized America's immigration policy, it's almost poetic

If it smells like a /pol/, talks like a /pol/, looks like a /pol/, and acts like a /pol/, it should probably get the fuck off the board.

>>51478779
Even Robert Howard had strong women in his stories. There's more to fantasy than Gor.

>>51478549
>six people get shot in Canada
>SEE YOU CANT TRUST FOREIGNERS BAN THEM ALL ITS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE SAFE

>twenty children killed in Burgerstan
>ten thousand people shot annually
>GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE ONLY PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED LIBKEK

>>51478817
Burger lives don't matter desu.

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>>51478792
>Hitler jokes are now /pol/
>fucking AnCap memes are /pol/
Oh come on

>>51478769
>You maintain a liberal society established with a structured rule of law to maximize the freedoms of its populace while maintaining a relatively stable social order.
Yes. How is a limited migration policy and wishing to maintain cultural homogeneity in contradiction to this?

>Would require compromising the liberal values western society is built upon
You're kidding, right? Even the "country founded on immigrants" America had very strict limitations to immigration until the 1960s. Am I supposed to believe America only became a liberal society that respects rule of law and individual liberties since the 1960s?

>He's an authoritarian historical revisionist with close ties to an totalitarian organization.
Citation needed. The closest hits I get for "Shinzo Abe totalitarian" are some articles about his desired revision to the constitution to limit freedom of speech. Is this worrysome? Yes. About as worrysome as "hate speech" laws in Europe or Merkel's crusade against "fake news" in which she intends to involve facebook.

>Any value system worth regarding leads by example
Correct
>and doesn't need to strongarm people into adhering to it
The "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" attitude is considered 'strongarming' now? Seeking to maintain the hegemony of the native culture in its own lands is 'strongarming'? Wait a second... are you using the American definition of liberal here? Because that'd explain a lot.

>>51478844

Hitler jokes are fine. Trying super hard to compare Hitler to [your ideological enemy of choice] on a board about traditional games, is not.


>AnCap memes

Always been /pol/.

>>51478844
Certain demographic has been in constant nazi panic ever since the madam president failed to get elected.

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>>51478895
>>AnCap memes
>Always been /pol/.
(You)

Can we just make a /pol/adin thread and then an actual paladin thread? Kinda tired of board immigrants refusing to assimilate into board culture.

>>51467325
I hope Karrin's gonna make it

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>>51466469

>>51466227
>Cant even have Paladin threads anymore without /pol/ projecting.

I want off this ride.

>>51478869
>Yes. How is a limited migration policy and wishing to maintain cultural homogeneity in contradiction to this?

No society has ever, ever had that, the establishment of the French Republic you were lauding earlier involved the suppression of several cultural, linguistic, and ethnic identities. You can't be liberal while forcing people to conform to your culture you goddamn moron.

>You're kidding, right? Even the "country founded on immigrants" America had very strict limitations to immigration until the 1960s. Am I supposed to believe America only became a liberal society that respects rule of law and individual liberties since the 1960s?

See above. Inconsistent application of these values doesn't change the fact that society was still built upon liberal values of freedom and democracy, which forcing people to give up their values contradict. Every nation on earth already has limited immigration. Have you actually bothered to try and immigrate to another country?

>Citation needed.

Shinzo Abe's association with Nippon Kaigi isn't exactly a secret. Avowed conservative monarchists that regularly try to deny or downplay or even laud Japan's role in ww2.

>The "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" attitude is considered 'strongarming' now? Seeking to maintain the hegemony of the native culture in its own lands is 'strongarming'? Wait a second... are you using the American definition of liberal here? Because that'd explain a lot.

Let me ask you: how exactly do you intend to enforce this?

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>>51478985
Paladin here, where do I sign up?

>>51479029
4 more years. 8 if we don't learn our lesson

>>51479056
/pol/ was shitposting everywhere long before Trump

The only solution is to rangeban everyone that has ever posted on /pol/.

>>51467454
>implying he wasn't chaotic good fallen to lawful evil

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>>51479056
Everytime I see a post like this, I like Trump a little more.

>>51470341
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT? BECAUSE I CANNOT.

he is burning.

>>51479056
>pol opinions didn't exist pre trump and will disappear once he's gone XDDD

>>51479056
2 if he gets impeached when democrats could get control of congress.

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/leftypol/ is out in force again today, it seems.

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Pic related is pretty much a perfect paladin.
>lawful good
>devout
>humble
>loyal
>deeply religious
>dedicated his whole life to protect his people
>ready and willing to pierce all the evil, even if it will end up costing him in long run
>believes that pretty much everyone can be redeemed
>batshit insane and has cannibalistic tendencies

>>51479034
>the establishment of the French Republic you were lauding earlier involved the suppression of several cultural, linguistic, and ethnic identities.
>You can't be liberal while forcing people to conform to your culture you goddamn moron.
Wait, you're saying the French Republic isn't liberal?

>See above.
You are! You really are! So let me get this straight: everyone has been doing everything wrong and had no idea how the hell liberalism worked, there was no rule of law and no guarantee of fundamental civic/human rights until in the 1960s the borders were thrown open and this all severely backfired? Assuming that's how it works, I think we can all safely say liberalism is shit and we need to go back to whatever not-liberal system there was before.

>Nippon Kaigi
I admit knowing nothing about them and having to read up on them, therefore I'll drop everything related to Japan for now.

>Let me ask you: how exactly do you intend to enforce this?
I would say that for many countries in Europe it's already too late, but if I could somehow turn back the clock I'd simply use De Gaulle's solution: let in extremely minimal numbers of immigrants from non-compatible cultures (for European countries this would be anything outside of Europe and North America), perhaps even to the point of having a (strict) yearly quota, and preferably spread them out over the country as much as possible. This will make it impossible for parallel societies to form and will force them, not through intimidation but by necessity, to assimilate with their surroundings. In such a situation, settlement colonies like Molenbeek would be unthinkable.

Also, a more reason based humanitarian policy. Instead of throwing open the border as soon as there's a conflict thousands of kilometers away, I'd argue for active military involvement in the region, perhaps not for combat but certainly for relief and the building/guarding of refugee camps in the region. This helps all parties involved much better.

>>51479056

/pol/ was shitposting everywhere long before Trump entered the political scene. They'll shitpost long after he's gone. We can only call them out.

>>51479194
>Wait, you're saying the French Republic isn't liberal?

Sort of. When it was being established conclusively as the France we know now, it was under Napoleon, and certainly wasn't liberal.

>So let me get this straight: everyone has been doing everything wrong and had no idea how the hell liberalism worked, there was no rule of law and no guarantee of fundamental civic/human rights until in the 1960s the borders were thrown open and this all severely backfired?

No, I'm saying that the consistent application of liberalism has been a slow, uphill fight since the ideal first became a thing. Consider thinkers like Spinoza or Locke, and then ask yourself if any country every consistently applied what they wrote about. Even liberals of the time acknowledged this, hence the formation of ideas such as Whig history.

You also completely ignored the fact that borders have never been open in any country, immigration is still a strictly limited process in... well everywhere. Taking on a few refugees is not the same as open borders.

>I would say that for many countries in Europe it's already too late, but if I could somehow turn back the clock I'd simply use De Gaulle's solution: let in extremely minimal numbers of immigrants from non-compatible cultures (for European countries this would be anything outside of Europe and North America), perhaps even to the point of having a (strict) yearly quota, and preferably spread them out over the country as much as possible. This will make it impossible for parallel societies to form and will force them, not through intimidation but by necessity, to assimilate with their surroundings. In such a situation, settlement colonies like Molenbeek would be unthinkable.

Enjoy your labour shortage.

>Instead of throwing open the border as soon as there's a conflict thousands of kilometers away

That isn't what happens, and you know it. Countries have set numbers of immigrants they take in, and they take them in for a limited time.

>>51479194
>for European countries this would be anything outside of Europe and North America

Tbh colonials too should be on the no entry allowed-list.

>>51466227

Old school hero, basically. You are honorable, you have principles, and you try to do the right thing. Sometimes, you stumble, but you stand up. One other thing - there are things that you may do, if things are bad enough, and there are things you will not do.

Also, you know the three laws of robotics? I imagine paladins sort of have a similar hierarchy:
1. Do no evil or, through inaction, allow evil be done.
2. Follow your code and be honorable, as long as it does not conflict point 1.
3. Do what you will, as long as it does not conflict point 1 or 2.

To be honest, though I see it as sort of the same as playing a LG fighter, cavalier or ranger. If you can be a hero, good. If not, be as close as you can.

>>51479216
> BAAAAW IT WUZ HER TURN!
Your tears are delicious.

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>>51466227

>>51479280
>Enjoy your labour shortage.

At least around here this labor shortage situation does not seem to have been improved by importing foreigners.
>mass unemployment
>we need more foreigners to combat labor shortage
>take in 3rd worlders
>they don't get employed
>unemployment numbers rise
>return to step 1, rinse and repeat

>>51479364
Where are you from? Here in Canada, our overall unemployment has been a consistent 6-10% (with a few spikes up to just shy of 12) since the mid 70s.

>>51479339
>Implying I wanted a literal criminal in office
>Implying the only reason people can dislike /pol/acks is the American election

I didn't want you faggots here before the shitshow of that election and I don't want you now. You whine, cry, and shitpost on every board you can no matter whether things are going good or bad. Your only goal is to subvert everyone you can find to your way of thinking until we're all marching in lockstep to your tune. You are cancer, in the literal sense, and I want you excised.

>>51479437
Would someone post that screencap of the dude posting with a picture of a cartoon bird comparing them to furries? It's years old now and still fucking true.

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>>51479478
This?

>>51479280
>I'm saying that the consistent application of liberalism has been a slow, uphill fight since the ideal first became a thing
That is obviously true, but I think that in the "forerunner" countries (America, France, maybe some others) the whole situation has more or less been entrenched by 1870. An irresponsible migration policy is not part of it, nor should it be part of it considering no state has obligations to its foreigners other than perhaps mantaining certain fundamental human rights (and no, migration is not one of these rights).

>Enjoy your labour shortage.
As that other anon said, not only do third world immigrants often end up becoming unemployed (example: in the Netherlands, on average only 35% of asylum seekers have a paid job after 15 years of residence) but there are alternative solutions to this. I think of for example AfD's "babies welcome" policy (long story short: a natalist policy that seeks to encourage 3 child families) that was rejected by the German parliament for being "reminiscent of Nazi policies". Because any solution that isn't taking in more unassimilatable immigrants is Nazi. Thirdly, this is clearly a fallacious mode of thinking: you want the people to serve the interests of the economy, when it should be the economy serving the interests of the people. "Filling" the labor shortage with third world immigrants may help in purely financial terms, but it also destroys social trust and cohesion (https://lirias.kuleuven.be/bitstream/123456789/84600/1/20100708110945526.pdf), one of the cornerstones of a functional democratic/republican regime. This would in fact make mass migration the most anti-liberal thing you can do, as it destroys the very foundation of liberalism.

I was hoping this would turn into a Fate thread

>>51479517
Exactly. Thank you.

>>51479526
>An irresponsible migration policy is not part of it, nor should it be part of it considering no state has obligations to its foreigners other than perhaps mantaining certain fundamental human rights (and no, migration is not one

WHAT FUCKING STATE HAS THESE OPEN BORDERS YOU IDIOTS COMPLAIN ABOUT?

>>51466227
As an alcoholic and glutton who rides a ram. Believes heavily in freedom

>>51479526
Why do you fucking morons strawman your opposition to assume that they just want to open the fucking borders? Every country on earth has limited immigration. What we propose is not treating immigrants like subhumans or putting bans on travel to and from specific countries, which are both against liberal ideals.

As for the rest of it, supplementing a declining labour force (as population always declines in developed country) with immigration is basically required at this point, because the alternative is being left behind in the all against all of nation against nation that has been the reality of international geopolitics since forever. That "three child" thing wont change the fact westerners largely don't want to sacrifice their incomes, leisure, and ambitions to pop out kids.

>>51479646
Perhaps not exactly unrestricted migration, but to name an example I'd call Merkel's refugee policy (for which she downright ignored the Dublin agreements) irresponsible. Or France's and Britain's pulling in of third world migrants by the millions in the 60's and onward.

"Open" may be an exaggeration, but it was nowhere as limited as it could've and should've been, leading to the decay of social cohesion that link I sent you elaborates on.

The government could solve this immigration issue by Simply not using tax dollars to fund it. Accept the fact that half the country doesn't wanna help and the other half does. If someone took money off you every month and donated it to charity without your consent you'd have every right to be pissed

>>51479705
>Perhaps not exactly unrestricted migration, but to name an example I'd call Merkel's refugee policy (for which she downright ignored the Dublin agreements) irresponsible. Or France's and Britain's pulling in of third world migrants by the millions in the 60's and onward.

Give exact numbers.

>"Open" may be an exaggeration, but it was nowhere as limited as it could've and should've been, leading to the decay of social cohesion that link I sent you elaborates on.

My apologies, but I'm not clicking some randomly suspect link. Got something academic?

>>51479699
>What we propose is not treating immigrants like subhumans or putting bans on travel to and from specific countries, which are both against liberal ideals.
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/world-war-ii/resources/immigration-policy-world-war-ii

You do know that restricting migration and the rights of migrants from risky areas in the world has happened before and is little more than common sense, right? Or should 1940's America have treated Japanese and German migrants the same as Canadian ones?

>>51479738
>Give exact numbers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/germany-says-about-1-1-million-asylum-seekers-arrived-in-2015
1.1 million, with already multiple reports of misconduct, mass rape and even terrorist attacks over the past two years. Admittedly the idea is that they'll go back one day, but we both know that this isn't really viable considering how many of them aren't even Syrian (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/migrants-are-disguising-themselves-as-syrians-to-gain-entry-to-europe/2015/09/22/827c6026-5bd8-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html).

>Got something academic?
The University of Leuven isn't academic enough for you?

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Kill everything that doesn't match my criteria for "good" and say it's "for the greater good and peace". Baby orc dilemma doesn't work on me, the character is too unhinged.

>>51479766
>Or should 1940's America have treated Japanese and German migrants the same as Canadian ones?

Yes. They should be subject to the same laws.

>1.1 million, with already multiple reports of misconduct, mass rape and even terrorist attacks over the past two years.

Treat them like other criminals. It's not fucking difficult.

>The University of Leuven isn't academic enough for you?

Didn't know it was that. I'd still rather not click it. Besides, a single paper on a subject doesn't make it absolute fact.

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>>51475969
A Paladin who doesn't risk falling doesn't hold himself to a high enough standard. Everyone had their own demons, and sometimes facing them is too much.

If you were to ask me "Do Paladins ever break their code of conduct?" I would answer "Yes, every Paladin fails from time to time."

It's only when that failure is too much to bear that a Paladin falls, you know?
Sayaka is a great example of a fallen hero.

>>51480318
I hope that you'ren't trying to imply that Sayaka ever was a hero.

Once played a generically "ANYTHING THAT ISN'T DOGMA IS /HERESY/" violent Sister of Battle ripoff in a Final Fantasy-ish modern fantasy sandbox. It was actually boring after a while because she wouldn't really accept anything that violated her church protocols, even when her branch, while dogmatic, wasn't about shooting everything on sight.

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>>51480377
She wanted to be. She tried to be.
Trying your best is the first rule of being a Paladin.

The only thing she lacked--the thing she needed--was a proper mentor to teach her how to smite ALL the evil.

>>51479106
lololol not with the way democrats are driving away moderates

>>51479428
unemployment numbers in the US BLS are actually generated stochasitically (that is to say predicted using a formula and data from the last 5 years) and then is revised to a surveyed number.
Something fucky is going on with this, because reported unemployment in the US is 5%, but the 25-54 labor force participation is cratering

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>>51482235
justice

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>>51482330
J U S T I C E

I'm uploading a book I wrote about Paladins to 1d4chan right now.

>>51482213

>>51469628
Unironically the best character from those games.

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>>51466227

>>51479106
While the house can bring charges, it's the Senate that impeaches.

And the Democrats mathematically can't take control of the Senate in two years, most of the senators up for reelection are democrats already. They can really only lose ground.

Trump is going to have to rile the fuck out of his own side to get impeached. Not saying it's impossible, but it is not nearly as likely as Huffpo wishes to fantasize.
>>51466227
Loyalty to God, Loyalty to Companions, Loyalty to my Leige, in that order.

Justice, Mercy, Charity, in that order.

Beacon on a hill, not a Catholic school nun.

>>51482187
US unemployment statistics only count people participating in the workforce. Out of work for a year? You no longer count.

>>51466227
I still don't understand how people make images like this

>>51478419
What you mean high standards of living, good education, healthcare systems, civil obedience, jeez youre right, thats awful.

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>>51483292
Pic related.

>>51475893
From what i can see there, no. Those are all artoria variants except for nero. Suit is from zero, black armor is alter. The casual clothes is "mysterious heroine x" which is just a gag assassin thats really just saber pissed at the saber face meme.

>>51480472
Frankly speaking, wouldn't homura be more paladin-esque in this case?

Sayaka wanted to be a "Hero", but Homura simply wanted to save an innocent, in this case madoka, even at the expense of her own life, sanity, and everything else. Despite never actually succeeding, I'd call that more paladin-esque than sayaka's hero ideal worship. She even attempted to help the other girls in their specific circumstances when it was possible, despite them never listening and dying as a result.

If i'm remembering it correctly, her and kyoko are also the only two to not go witch, excluding the portable games which are never canon (or rather, only canon to themselves).

Considering the threads general consensus that a paladin is one that helps those in need (or "Does good" and must resist the despair of failing and other such issue's so as not to fall, homura fits that bill better than most characters i can think of at all.

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Man, this thread was so good before people fed the trolls.

Anyway, pic related is a good way of playing paladins.

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>>51485402
Also, it's mirror opposite, which is also a good way of playing paladins.

>>51485424
Is this some jeanne d'arc and gille de rais shit?

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>>51485525
>gille de rais
>paladin

>>51485601
That was more on the "Beat men to death with their own spines" thing.

>>51485635
Why would gille de rais do anything to /save/ the lives of children?

>>51485601
>frog by lineage
>goes batshit after losing his waifu
>dedicates life to killing normies
>his second name is literally "of Ree"
Coincidences?

>>51485660
Did you miss the second half of that thing where said paladin snapped, killed god knows how many people to make a raft of spines to ride into hell to kill satan, all for one "waif"

"they'll wonder why i did it", etc etc. did you read the image at all anon?

>>51484417
No, you simply did not learn the lesson they sought to teach - that your strength is as meaningless as the strength of her sacrifice.

>>51485721
you have me seriously confused here anon. Isn't that exactly what i said? Also, where the fuck do i fit into this? i was talking solely about homura there.

>>51479800
You're Paladin-ing explicitly, flat out wrong.

What you think is good doesn't matter. The world of D&D is not some wishy-washy-subjective-morality place like actual reality. Your power doesn't come from your perception of good and evil, it comes from the literal, quantifiable good and evil that actually exist as forces in the universe.

So enjoy being an unhinged, featless fighter.

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>>51466227

>>51466227
Not like that.

Saber is such a bad Character.

>>51472736
I'm gonna need some sauce on that video.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQXy84W2AZU
I'm genuinely surprised no one brings up this scene. Any time this thread pops up NO ONE remembers this scene .

>>51486820

I didn't remember that scene and holy fuck, that's perfect.

>>51466271
>not sticking to your ideals even in the face of a cruel world.

Those are the best kind of Paladins.

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>>51467509
>>51485809
Agreed. Saber is just a terrible character, a terrible king and a terrible, terrible example of a paladin. She has about the same relationship with the actual bro that is King Arthur as the new Ghostbuster movie has with the old.

She's a poorly made copy with no character nor redeeming quality that is only good as fapping material for sickos.

Whenever you must paladin, think "What would Saber do in my stead?", and then DON'T FUCKING DO THAT.

>>51487187
Nah she's pretty cool.

>>51477304
Again. What are some other good philosophies that could be used for paladin-type characters? I know Kant is basically a shoe-in (I think there's even a variant Kantian Paladin out there for 3.5 somewhere).

How about an Epicurean paladin? Whose aim is to secure the ability of others to be free from fear and secure enough in their basic necessities and comforts to pursue lives of virtue.

How about a Stirnerian egoist paladin?

>>51466227
>typical setting
Honorable knight, but try to be cool about it. Have fun, buy a round for the party now and then, occasionally tell the bard his lecherous ways will only lead to sadness, and bring God's fury down on the enemy. Example: Theodore Roosevelt

>grittier setting, idealism not feasible
Grey Guard. I don't like the way the world is, but good is good and bad is bad, and anything questionable I do is to stop something worse, it doesn't matter if some people don't understand. Example: Elliot Stabler

>grimdark setting
Blackguard Judge Dredd. I am the LAW, a monster for monsters, a terror for the terrifying. Compromise encourages weakness, trust invites betrayal. I have done terrible things to create a realm of safety and stability, and anything that threatens that will be brutally put down. Example: Darth Vader

>>51473680
Oriental philosophy in a nutshell. Don't rock the boat, don't disrupt society, be happy with where you are, ambition is bad, change is bad, and when you read between the lines you see how it's all about how being a mindless sheep who obeys his master is good. This was all written by the masters, by the way.

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>>51487543
Soren Kierkegaard's ideals are soaking with the purity of a Paladin.

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>>51484417

A paladin fights for ideals, Homura fought for madoka. Maybe she cared about the others at first but after so many tries she stopped caring.
Think of it like this, you are playing a game with your main objective being to defeat the boss and save one NPC. There are also 3 seconday objectives you can finish. You try again and again countless times to do it but you fail again and again. At some point you just ignore the secondaries and focus on your main objective. It is natural really.
A better example for a paladin would be mami.

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>>51487187
>Agreed. Saber is just a terrible character, a terrible king and a terrible, terrible example of a paladin.
So I checked out the show a bit, and the only character I really liked was Alexander the Great. Anyways I did a bit of research on the show to see how and if they handled Mordred, and apparently Merlin made Saber a dick girl to reproduce at some point.

Couldn't take the it seriously after that.

>>51471261
>DOOMGUY
Truly the greatest paladin to ever live.
RIP AND TEAR

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>>51488684
Memeskander is pretty shit too, so far the best Fate kings seem to have been post-Enkidu Gil, Solomon, David, and Ozymandias.

>>51484417
Homura was only in it for her own selfish love, though. She had no compunctions about harming anyone if she felt she had to--but she also didn't want to. That makes her Neutral, if you ask me. Probably Lawful Neutral.

>>51488543
Mammies was in it for selfish reasons as well. She was lonely.
It wasn't malicious, but it was selfish. It isn't enough for a Paladin.

>>51466227
By the law. No time for the grey. White or black is way I go by.

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>>51489463

When you think about it every paladin, no everyone has selfish reasons. It is in our human nature. Even the most sincere acts of self-sacrifice has some selfish bits in it . It is about fullfillment in most cases. If sacrifice brings you fullfillment you are content with giving away your life.
I think being a paladin is about finding fullfillment in keeping order, and doing good deeds.

Also mami had a strong sense of justice and due to that she became lonely even amongst other magical girls because most fought for the soul gems while mami fought whenever she could to keep the world( atleast he city) safe. The reason she was lonely was because she was fighting , not the other way around.

>>51470350
would a paladin who fought for the idea of Natural Law (like the Greeks and Aquinas) be valid?

>>51466568
What's so wrong with it?

>>51466227
>He wanted to go home. He wanted it so much that he trembled at the thought. But if the price of that was selling good men to the night, if the price was filling those graves, if the price was not fighting with every trick he knew....Then it was too high.

>>51483901
>except nero
She's next to alter. Clockwise from 12, it looks like it goes MHX, Zero, Lily, ???, Okita, Saberlion(Carnival Phantasm), Bride, Alter, Nero. Unless you're implying Nero isn't another Seiba

>>51472025
>>51472205
>>51473891
I think people are too hung up on making heretic crushing zealots. You ask me, bad asses like Mumen Rider and Joshua Graham are way more interesting examples of "holy" men than your typical paladin. Or how about a paladin who comes off more as your friendly local priest but kicks ass in combat while encouraging the party to take the LG path

>>51478779
>women know their place
everyone conveniently forgets all the bad ass female characters there are in fantasy literature the moment politics gets involved.

>>51489836
>mixture of damsels in distress and no characterization beyond tits&ass
>badass

Might as well go and use the Mein Kampf as an example of jew positive literature.

>>51489836
why are you responding to bait?
are you retarded?

>>51489860
>He thinks that Mein Kampf is just 300 pages of Hitler screaming "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS"

>>51489868
yes

>>51489860
You got Eowyn in Lord of the Rings
Goldmoon in Dragon Lance
Valeria, Zenobia and Red Sonja from Conan
Casca from Berserk
etc etc

>>51489699

Not that guy but i am an attorney so i can answer your question.

Natural law tends to be very subjective in its essence. It is impossible to apply because it contains subjective values in itself and those change from one person to another. Person A can justify his actions by his value system alone but that wont hold true to Person B's values. Therefore the law must be objective in its essence for the order to be held. The source of law has been a subject of many debates , in middle ages thomas aquinas said that the source comes from the god. In modern law system it comes from the social contract and at the top of the system sits constitution and international agreements . It is therefore best to uphold a positive law system in which normative law is the basis of all.

Now as for your question the answer is no, someoen who is following natural law cannot be a paladin, he is someoen who is guided by his own belifs and virtues alone. An ordinary person. To b a paladin you have to uphold a higher rule system that is not self imposed. (Wheter it be divine , organisational or social)

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>>51489916
>admits futility of task
>keeps doing it anyways

>>51489753
Joshua Graham is a cool, interesting character and all, but as a paladin figure he is teetering on the edge when you meet him, and unless you intervene he WILL fall. The whole point of the character is that his past is filled with rage and brutality that affects him to this day, despite what he tries to tell himself and others.

The choice at the end of that story isn't about morality (after all, few characters deserve wasteland justice as much as Salt-Upon-Wounds), it's about therapy.

>>51489916
>Casca from Berserk
>literally a rape lobotomy victim

You've pretty interesting standards when it comes to badass, m8.

>>51490106
To be fair, if Berserk actually got some fucking plot advancement or, y'know, even some chapters, she might be able to move on from the childish catatonic rape victim shell she's been stuck in.

>>51470350
Bah, someone beat me to it.

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>>51490106
>>51490153
I think we can all admit Berserk's high point was the Golden Age arc

>>51490593
Oh, undoubtedly

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>>51479056

>>51490644
I'm holding out for 12

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>>51490644
>mfw he manages to convince congress to remove the limit on presidential terms and becomes president for 16 years like Roosevelt

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>>51490644
AH
AH
AH
AH

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>>51490644
>>51490693
Now that I think about it, Trump would be a great way to play a paladin.
Think about it; a noble but uncouth and foolish paladin, fighting mercilessly against all odds against the corrupt nobility he was once part of, all for the good of the downtrodden commonfolk.

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>>51466227
YER BLOOD'S GONE BAAAAAAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYXaWWVeS2U

>>51487187
>>51487263
Saber is the worst fate character and is only popular because there are plenty of asians with a blonde girl fetish who wish they were shiro.

>>51490829
you mean
>talking about all those things
>actually just in it for the cash
>so much cash

>>51479083

the vatchniks are getting paid now so they /pol/post worse than ever.

It's kinda sad to think that somewhere in the bowels of the kremlin, there's a guy who has to read all the shitposting before he signs a fucking receipt off for reimbursement.

Just sitting there in the dark in front of the false warm glow of his monitor, muttering to himself "how does posting on a board for little children's games help... you know what, never mind, it doesn't matter, none of this fucking matters"

every so often the people in the officer above him hear a distant cry of "WHY IS ULTRAMARINES ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THIS BULLSHIT!?" but are not paid enough to pay it any attention.

>>51491054
Yup

>>51490829

>succubus offers to piss on him
>level drain as a constant effect until he washes it off

>>51491031
Nips have terminal shit taste when it comes eurowaifus desu. 90% of time it is either a buck teeth Brit or Fingolian.

>>51491067
>he wouldn't shitpost on austrian scheisseporn boards for the glory of the motherland

фaшиcтcкaя yблюдкy

>>51491168
Welcome to the American politics, both parties could be running the exact same candidate and the other party's candidate would still be called Hitler/Antichrist.

>>51491054
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/

Literally the exact opposite of the objective truth, though.
He's a billionaire, with a B. He doesn't need money.

He's in it for change, my friend. Change and the adulation that comes with it.

>>51491259
This. If Trump has any selfish intentions (as most politicians do), they are motivated by ego, not by greed.
Nothing wrong with ego if you're actually doing something worthy of it, imo.

>a random millionaire has caused more change in his couple weeks of office than a guy who ran a platform build around it made in 8 years

>>51491168
>their candidates
You are making a lot of assumptions there, son, especially this twisted logic that a person has to be a saint in order to call out shitty behavior in others.
But oh no, I've been /pol/-trolled in /tg/.

>>51491372
That's what I figure, too.
It works well because his ego means that he will want people cheering his name in the streets at the end of 2 terms--that means he has to, effectively, solve all the problems.

Since he's already defeated effectively the entire establishment of both parties, the media, and large swathes of left-biased popular culture to become President after everyone wrote him off... I can't discount the chance that he succeeds.

>>51491441
Provide evidence for your claim that he's in it for money, then, or you're talking out of your ass.

>>51491441
You don't have to be a saint, and neither does your candidate, but that doesn't mean you get to be a hypocrite.

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>>51466227
the only way to do it

>>51489463
>Mammies was in it for selfish reasons as well. She was lonely.
>It wasn't malicious, but it was selfish. It isn't enough for a Paladin.
Paladins aren't heavenly beings incapable of flaws. Ultimately they are still human, being selfish is a part of life. A hero who fights to save the world does what they do selfishly, because they love their ideal of what the world could be, and want it to come to fruition, even if they don't live to see it. It's still selfish, just not perhaps in the way one would expect.

>>51489706
the grip is incredibly short.

I can just feel my wrist breaking trying to wield something that big one handed

>>51493295
There's a difference between "I, personally, want to make the world better" and "I, personally, am willing to let you choose to doom yourself because I am lonely."
She meant well, but she is no Paladin.

>>51472025
Have fun sucking at your job.

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>>51493424
Being a Paladin isn't about power, anon.
It's about grace, kindness, and mercy.
Generally Paladins are defenders first and punishers second. They only destroy evil because it threatens the good things in the world.

>>51493571
>It's about grace, kindness, and mercy.
That sounds more like a cleric to me.
>Generally Paladins are defenders first and punishers second.
Bullshit, it can go the one way or the other way, but even if I agree on your definition for paladins, I say it again.
Have fun sucking at your job.

>>51470846

I don't know why the remaster nerfed that voice so hard. Compare to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjmXsyggZRA

>>51482719
Eventually I want to play a not!Krieg. Shadowrun would work best, some kind of street scum that beats the shit out of anyone who is bad.

Then hands out candy to the kids before giving them piggy back rides.

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>>51493660
"No one expects much from me.
They think a C-class hero won't be much help.
I know that better than anyone!
I'm not good enough to be B-class.
I'm weak. I know that much.
No one has to tell me I have no chance of beating you.
I already know that.
And yet, I must try.
It's not about winning or losing!
It's about me taking you on right here, right now!"

Don't you get the message?
It's not about winning or losing--it's about doing the right thing, because it's the right thing to do.
A Paladin will choose to die fighting against long odds, because it's the right thing to do. It doesn't matter if it's futile.

A level 1 Paladin, played properly, will stand against a Pit Fiend alone to defend a stranger, because that's what being a Paladin means. If you don't have a sense of justice that makes you willing to defy reason, you're not a Paladin. You're just a Fighter who spends too much effort polishing his armor.

That's why Mumen Rider is the best example of a Paladin--because his job is to protect people, and he's more than willing to die, if that's what it takes to buy just a few more minutes. He won't stop standing back up until he is physically unable to stand up anymore, because that's what a hero does.

>>51490634
Fantasia was bready good imo

After being a forever dm finally get the chance to play decide to make a lawful good paladin. want to go full nice guy and try and defend as many people as I can since I really enjoy the heros journy type narrative. I'm really exited until I remember that the party barbarian is full chaotic stupid, cant read and killed a squire for being sassy when offering to teach him.I hope that maybe there won't be a conflict but in the first few minutes he's already threatening npcs, nobody else minds except me so to avoid conflict I change my alignment to chaotic good and outlook to "smite evil by any means" Kind of upsetting but it was still fun just hope that one day I'll get to play a full on lawful good pally without having to compromise

>>51466227
cynical, assholish, thinks everyone is trying to rob him, does good shit anyway while saying "this is'int going to end well"

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>>51472025
I like you, anon.

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Lawfully. Evilly.

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"Is the fox evil?"
"Yes"
"I smite it"
In reference to a dead witch's familiar.

>>51497517
Your spiky waifu is shit, anon.

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If I see people being attacked by things that are evil but are clearly way way stronger than me and they slaughter them in seconds can I justifiably not intervene as a paladin without falling

>>51489962
>he isn't reaching for the impossible
You certainly wouldn't be right for the thread.

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Can a Paladin dish out brutal punishment without worrying about falling off grace?

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>>51466227
>>51466227

All my Paladins tend towards this.

>>51466543
I made my Paladin Steed a dog once.

The dog was Fluffy the Third, Slayer of Vampires. Fluffy was also knighted and given his own land in the end.

>>51482719
Pretty much the best character to use the psycho angle. He was actually fighting against it and tried to do the right thing.

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>>51466227
>>51466227
Full racist bastard from a barbarian culture.

"You're culture is wrong and an offense to the Old Spirits. Join me... or die."

May or may not have gotten me into fights. I was good, but anyone who wasn't from my homeland was an enemy... and who cares what you do to your foes.

My motto, and core belief that granted me my powers was the same answer Conan gave when asked what is best in life.

Only time I played a Paladin too.
No one could think I could play one properly.

But after that campaign, I was slapped with the "No paladins for you" rule.

>>51499068
Yes. I think that Gygax said something about it being perfectly okay for a paladin to do shit like cut of a man's hands for stealing.

>>51498252
M-metatron tho

>>51500150
>says he serves metatron
>is actually a filthy deviant with a face
Remove Juggs

>>51479587
It has. The demon of /pol/ is always fated to rear its ugly head. Or did you want Nasuverse?

>>51466368
>Attempting to explain the finest written work ever created
>To the sub 90 iq hordes of /tg/

It's a work as useless as jerking off a corpse.

Here is how the average /tg/tard thinks of quixote
>MOOOVEEEEEHH!11
>HEZ DA GUD GUY xD
>LE IMPOSSIBLE DRREEEAMURRUUUUU
>LE SO EPIK HE THINK GIANTS REEEEALLL LE PALADIIIIIN xD

Things /tg/ won't ever get about Quixote
>He is the og that guy
>He is a deranged old man
>He is an annoyance and hindrance to EVERYONE around him
>He got "knighted" on a whore house by a very tired of his bullshit owner
>He eventually regains sanity enough to tell people to fuck off and then dies (spoiler, but most of /tg/ is too fucking stupid and thick to even read the book anyways)
>He is a selfish idiot to absurd levels (from forcing his farmhand to follow him to beating up a chariot driver and two monks for no reason)
>Exists as a device for Cervantes to shit on things he didn't like, mostly and foremost political things and knight novels
>There is 2 official books and 1 famous fake one written in theory by many spanish writers that where mad about Cervantes (as Avellaneda never did anything else), this is referenced on the second book (from Cervantes) as being utter nonsense and dogshit, as golden age spanish writers where huge shitposters, although cervantes wasn't among them (usually)

>>51469520
>>51473691
>>51471263
Case in fucking point.

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>>51491452
>>51491372
>>51491259
Trump went to the Broskandar School of Politics.

>>51499068
It depends. Any paladin worth their salt would have to weight the potential good that person would go on to do with their hands against the bad. A paladin's punishments are meant more for encouraging good than punishing evil. Vengeance is empty when it stifles holiness, if you get my meaning.

>>51487086
Dead kind?

>>51470314
So,Gnosticism?

>>51502521
I'm not saying eviscerate a guy for jaywalking, instead going full rip-and-tear on a group of bandits that are well known for raping and murdering innocent people. But slaughtering those bandits to the point where it's scary, making people question your grip on reality.

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>>51466227
Like this

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>>51487187
Actually it's canon that Saber was an excellent king. Testimonial via Merlin and Lancelot. The only person that thought she was a failure was herself because she wasn't 100% perfect and didn't live a normal life because she was too busy trying to be perfect and create Avalon.

And if you're someone that's only seen Fate/Zero you're supposed to understand that Iskandar was only charismatic and nothing else, he had no idea what he was talking about and was WILDLY irresponsible, but that was the point. He was meant to be charming in his complete ignorance of responsibility and carefree pursuits of passion. But as the fate the killed him originally showed, he was not at all a good king.

Then you had Gilgamesh which is the complete opposite of Saber, 150% selfish.

As someone that's really into the Arthurian legend I'd have to say of all works Saber is honestly my favorite take on King Arthur. You don't get much more noble and selfless than trying to wish yourself out of existence so someone else has a chance of being a better king than you!

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>>51506675
It's such a pity that the actual best king to ever live hasn't been in the natsuverse yet.

>>51506675
And yet new materials have shown that Gil was better king than Arturia.

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>>51467418
>booger hook on the bang switch while jillyjallying on your sofa
Absolutely not Lawful.

>>51506820
Nah, Gil shows his true colors with his desire to destroy mankind. Did you not pay attention to Fate?

>>51478826
Replace "burger" with "black" and that's pretty much on the spot for the vast, vast majority of shootings in America.

>>51466227
Most Paladins are such radical moral anachronisms they might as well not even exist.

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>>51506785
>Not Saint Louis
Bitch please.

>>51507754
>Literal philosopher king
>Somehow worse than French Hammurabi
Opinions this bad should be illegal.

>>51507822
>Literal saint king
It's kind of hard to trump that, mate. His legal reforms only add to how good he was.

>>51506965
that was his edgy teen phase, he mellows out later

>>51466368
And he fucking dies the second he does that.

>>51478549
A white dude shot up a mosque. Gosh dern mooslams

>>51466368
The second part of the book was writte a decade after the first and had an entirely different tone than the first one. Cervantes was a different man at that point. I think its fine to discard the second book.

>>51508542
You're missing the point so much it's silly anon. But keep on denial missing the point OF THE FIRST FUCKING BOOK.

>>51507891
Yes, because he was old, that is the moment of "redemption" he has and one of the only few seconds of sanity (other than calling avellaneda's book dogshit).

>>51487543
I think epicurianism is an excellent basis for a paladin. Especially since it often has a strong pro-social element.

>>51478480
I bet he "heats" her holiness at night too...

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>>51506965
>not knowing about babylon

>>51471261
>doot doot

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>>51466227

>>51506965
He was trying to bring humanity back to the way it was during the Age of Legends. And that involves killing off most of humanity so there's more magic for the survivors to use.