Warhammer 40k general

1st for drop troops

>>51454571
Second for terrain

>>51454584
And wanting D-99 lists posted

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2nd for Slaaneshi Eldar United

>>51454595
Fuck.

>>51454595
Third for things which won't and aren't happening.

Slaanesh is doomed, the Eldar are on the rise. EMPIRE NOW.

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>>51454595
I'll never submit to anyone and neither will my Kabal

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Turn one I'm deep striking all 3 flyers.
Everything else aside from the command squad is in reserves.
Everything deep strikes within 6" of the hq since homing beacon on turn one.
The command squad will hide at the back objective camping under cover and boosting squads with long range ground scanners (priority on the executioner squads) or run up through cover to provide a close up homing beacon. (it doesn't say you can't use long range ground scanner if you run right?).
Also deep striking both heavy bolter turrets in sentry mode (18" 360 degree) and the lascannon one is deployed in point defence mode (90 degree arc but longer range) at the top of a building to shoot from above from the backfield
standard squads are used to screen executioner squads from assault troops with the flamer while they take on mcs and vehicles.
Any questions?

>TFW you go to bed, three generals pass, only reply is 11 hours old.

>>51454644
Cut the bloat, it's 3-4 times longer than it needs to be.

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>>51454655
oh yeah, oops forgot to remove the rules and shit, new pc with new battlescribe.

>>51454655
> some dude responding to something directed at me
Don't be a dick

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I am a very new player with Blood Angels army and I had a problem on last match, and that problem was artillery (astra militarium specifically). What the heck should i do with that? With one blast he destroys almost all of my troop. Should i simply dont care about casualities, just spread infantry and get into melee asap (10 death company with jetpacks)? Or somehow counter it with my roaster (get my own artillery)?

Also is deeps strike on Death Company a good idea and can i charge after landing a drop pod?

>>51454644
The list seems to rely extremely heavily on the plasma dudes, although I suppose the flyers offset this as they can deal with AV/MCs and hordes on their own.

Looks good, but if you're DSing your executioners within 6" of your Command Squad it seems like they wouldn't have a great threat range because of how protective you'd need to be of your CS?

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>>51454660
It's not being a dick, it's constructive critisim.

If i was a dick i'd call him a useless retard who need to lean how to BS before he posts, but seeing as the UI IS a mess, I don't.

>>51454684

Maximum spread, 32mm bases if you can, hide out of LoS to force scatter, deep striking things to threaten or take out the artillery, using your own artillery such as Quad Mortar Rapiers.

Blood Angels are pretty weak if they can't do their specialty, which is basically melee and melta.

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>>51454689
Well the plasma squad will always be effectively twin linked and you're right, i'll probably keep the cs back since they're so vulnerable. Also don't forget the melta squad, I have an alternate list where I run two 5 man plasma squads with 4 plasma guns and a vox instead of the meltas, but I keep them there since I only have the lascannon and the missiles for S8 and up.
This is the other list.

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My first ever models painted.
How am I doing?

The Father of a Salamander

>Ah, son, you're back!
>I heard from the Pattersons you made 9th Company - Decimater or something like that. Haha, always knew you liked those big flamers.
>You got that there power fist with you today? There's this big lump of plasteel in the back that just won't... No? Ah well. I'm sure it'll be here when you next visit.
>You meet any ladyfriends out in the big black sea?
>Your Ma? Ah, no, she passed a couple of decades ago. Accident in the forge. You know how clumsy she was around ledges... All feet and no leg, hah...
>Oh, nearly forgot! You're a proud grand uncle now, you know. Tibby's boy made head forger a few years back. Found himself a lady, and next we knew, he twisted her a ring and she pushed out a little girl. Suzabel. She's a real beauty. While you're here, you really ought to... Another time then.
>Tibby? Well, he went the way of your Ma. Assembly line went whack, spewing big chunks a' metal all over. The 'priest told me Tibby did his hero thing, "Just like my brother," you know, and tried holding the loose belt with just his powersuit arm. Said he saved a few lives before it split, but you know how it is with them 'priests. Could have just been trying to keep my morale.
>Oh, I have that vid-album you asked about last time. Let me just- You sure? You seemed real keen on it then... Alright. I'll leave it be.
>How's that Damien you mentioned before? That scout brother you initiated with? Orks? Ah, son. I'm so sorry.
>If you stay the hour, I can whip up your favorite! I'm no Ma, but we- I, well, after last time, your Ma and I decided to always have some in stock so we'd be ready at any time, haha!
>Not today? Aright, son. Keep doing the Emperor proud. Your doing me proud, you know. Me, your Ma, Tibby - all of us. We love you, son.
>Next time, if you can drop a vox when you land, I can gather the rest of the family, so- you know. Little Suz will be a woman then, you know.
>Bye, son.

>>51454765
gotta head off, it's getting late in aus, g'night guys.
cya tomorrow. (writer of the d99 lists)
If you need tips go to the 1d4chan d-99 7e tactics page.

>>51454795
Cheers for the help dude

>>51454779
Good for a first ever, though i'd say every colour needs a second layer and the eyes need to be coloured in.

>>51454786
I didnt get a permission slip for this feels trip

>>51454808
Oh, it's still a work in progress, I figured I'd do eyes last.

I've done second coats, am I watering down too much?

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First attempt at a new 1850 points list, long time sisters player trying to use new imperial toys.

Not sure how to go about optimizing this

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1850 Aspectdar list.

Trying to get some games in until GS2 lands and I'll have to decide whether to keep them.

>>51454819
Well the red and blue are rather dark and dull, so a third might be in order, robes and aquilas are a bit on the dark side too.

Though it may all be down to lighting.

Anyone else fantasize about Chaos daemons skullfucking Tau capitives to death?

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GIVE ME THOSE STEAMING HOT OPINIONS

Which army has the BEST troops unit in terms of effectiveness for the points?

Who had the best (most broken) troops unit of all time?

>>51454858
Oh yeah, my lighting is utter shit.

The red especially is somewhat dull, though, and the blue is probably dark because it's Macragge Blue that I put with a little leftover white I had out.

I'll give em another go-over next time I'm working on em.

Cheers.

>>51454885
Ork boyz

:^)

>>51454885
>Which army has the BEST troops unit in terms of effectiveness for the points?

Windrider Jetbikes with Scatter Lasers, no contest.

>>51454895

lol
Real talk though, I REALLY wish orks were better.
Their entire codex seems like it hasn't been buffed since the faction was introduced.
If anything, they seem worse.

>>51454899

Interesting.
Care to explain further?

>>51454899
I still have no fucking idea why GW put those pieces of shit in troops. They used to be fast attack.

>>51454885

Because point costs always matter, those two categories are basically the same thing. Make something cheap enough and it'll be the most efficient. No matter how overpowered something is, if it costs more points than it should be, it's not going to be good.

>>51454786
Next do the father of a Minotaur who's can't afford presents cause those dirty fucking tallarns keep taking the good jobs, the damn socialist governor keeps raising beer and tobacco prices and the AdMech conspiracy is targetting him personally so his lottery number never come up, not even hsi daily Aquila scratch tickets win.

Oh and make him permanently disappointed in his son not begin chapter master after spending a full decade in the chapter.

>>51454923
Samm-hainn

Should just return them to FA and then do a Core choice where they're obsec with 1/3 heavy weapons.

Maybe a let the full acess riders have a auxilliary formation with a vyper escort that gives them the old laser-lock.

>>51454922

How new are you?

>>51454885
chaos space marines

>>51454858
Just checked it on PC, instead of my phone, and yeah, the lighting really doesn't help.
They're much less black in reality (although still very dark) etc too.

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>>51454922
27 PPM

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>>51454964

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>>51454964
This closer to reality?

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Probably a dumb question, but an important one right now nonetheless.

In the Wrath of Magnus book, the rules part, it lists all the formations that can be part of a Thousand Sons Grand Coven on pages 36 and 37. Three of these formations (Lord of the Thousand Sons Legion, Daemon Engines, Legion Armoury) only contain a single unit and have no special rules. Are these still technically formations that can be taken in a Battleforged army, even outside of the Thousand Sons Grand Coven? Or are they only for that specific uber-formation?

I can't see anything that would make them not formations and therefore not usable outside of it, besides their lack of special rules. Can anyone clarify this?

>>51454979
That one needs to be edited with a not-white backdrop.

White backdrops are "better than nothing but not a whole lot" tier as it fucks with flash, lighting and light temperature detection.

Grey, tan or ideally blue to light grey gradient is far better.

>>51454976
does battle focus allow them to flat out?
if yes then well that's just another dollop on the shit sunday
if no then why did they leave that rule in?

>>51454923
Because when they were Fast Attack, Samm-Hain armies could move them to Troops. When the 4th edition Codex dropped, the old Craftworlds supplement was rendered null and void, and Jetbikes were moved to Troops to facilitate those armies.

The problem isn't the bikes themselves. Unlike, say, Marine bikers, Windriders are still garbage in combat and aren't astonishingly tough. It's the fact they can all be given a heavy weapon. If they brought back the one-in-three limitation and maybe made them a point or two more expensive, they'd be fine.

>>51454987
Yeah, somewhat.
The red probably isn't that vibrant still, but outside that pretty close.

>>51455007
No, only Run.

The left it in cause it's attached to all living eldar.

>>51455009

They also have a fucking 3+ save for no fucking reason, meanwhile. Reavers have a 6+ save. Hell, most Aspect Warriors only have a 4+, so why the actual fuck do guardians have a 3+ save?

>>51454902
Everybody else a part for de and tyr got stronger. The ghaz "update" was a joke. Finger crossed for next edition

>>51454993
No, they count as indepent formations only if they have their own dataslate somewhere, as it stands they are just fillers so you can take a single commander or a vehicle in the decurions.

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>>51454987
those are so dark I'm not sure if they support Luther

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>>51455033

Do you have a source for that somewhere? Not that I don't believe you, I just need to be sure that I have it stated somewhere that those aren't formations.

>>51455026
>Reavers have a 6+ save.

5+. The bike's armour confers a 5+ save, just as the Windrider's bike confers a 3+. Lowering it to 4+ would be pretty justifiable though, and might make Shining Spears more attractive if they retained it at 3+.

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>>51454979

>>51454779
Overall decent start for a beginner, but here's few pointers:
- Try to tidy up the lines between the red and the metal, as well as between the green and metal on the backpack. Use a small brush for this.
- The white looks a bit thick and chalky. When painting white, always clean your water and build up from light grey to avoid having to apply too many layers.

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>>51455062
For (you)r printing pleasure.

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>>51455046
Honestly I think it's just that a formation to classify as such needs to have more than one unit in it. I have no idea where it's written on the rulebook but common sense makes me think that way. Also if you want to make your army with only single units you can just go unbound.

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>>51455071

So there's no absolutely clear answer one way or another? That sucks. Guess that's GW for you.

>>51455083
They aren't a independently available formation because they don't have a formation datasheet.

The Detachment creates a "artificial" formation to let them be taken.

Eldar codex has it too with all their phoenix lords, special characters and the avatar as one man formations just to make them available to the detachment.

>>51455083
There probably is somewhere in the many rulebooks and FAQs but as GW doesn't care about simplicity you just have to agree with your opponents whether you can or not or call an Administratum team to go find it in the archives.

>>51455042

What's the best way to brighten up the green?
It's just straight Caliban Green at the moment, which is what I thought the go was.

>>51455064

I've been having a lot of trouble with the white. It looks like it had air leaking in or something, and has mostly dried out.
When I watered it down it just became super runny and unusable.
I'll keep in mind neatening up lines next time I get to it, thanks.

>>51455071
>I have no idea where it's written on the rulebook

Don't have my book to hand, but check the box-out that describes what Formations are, in the chapter about organising your army before a game. I think it says that a Formation needs its own datasheet, which tells you what's in it and what bonuses it gets. Which would rule out the little add-ons the other anon is describing, since they don't have separate datasheets.

>>51455046
40k works backwards, it's forbidden because it's not written it's permitted.

No logical conclusions, extrapolations or parallels, permitted, it has to be written.

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Show me your dudes! I wanna see your dudes!

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Stolen army fag got from yesterday here still missing his babies.
Come back to me badly painted thirster, daddy loves you

>>51455124
Which ones? I've 9000 points of models.
About 50 points of them painted, 2500 points primed.

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Feedback on this book?
Also, where the fuck can i download a decent epub version?
> inb4 amazon

>>51455112
>What's the best way to brighten up the green?
hard for me to say as i tend to use vallejo and those things are finicky.
I would have suggested taking a base coat of a mid line colour, mixing it with (parts permitting) a slightly darker colour for the shades and working your way down and mixing up for the raised areas.
I know that isn't an extreme revelation but that's all I got if i don't have a paint on me
I play green skins so i am used to the greens otherwise

are plague marines happy?

>51455135
What happened mate?

>>51455146
is anyone truly happy?

Is the hellrain brigade good to use with the remaining squad being a 5 man melta squad

>>51455150
Not gonna repost what I did yesterday, but I left my stuff at a friend's flat, we're not friends now, he won't give my stuff back

>have no one to play with
>cant find the will to build shit
>cant find the will to paint what's done
>haven't done a model in over a month
>first one in about 3 months
>haven't played a game in I don't even know

I don't even know what to do anymore. Part of me just wants to pack up everything and forget about them. There's nothing in my area, and no one wants to start it up, either. We've tried, and two games stores have failed.

>>51455184
You finish by constantly posting your models here and WIP to get feedback
Then you ask around you FLGS/GW to play with OR you look online to play the online version via tabletop simulator

>>51455151
yea kharn is

>>51455146
No, they are just content.

>>51455184
Ive reduced my hobby to just getting a box ot two occasionally. Painting it up and playing solo games.

>>51455184
>have no one to play with
>cant find the will to build shit
>cant find the will to paint what's done
>haven't done a model in over a month
>first one in about 3 months
>haven't played a game in I don't even know
Sounds like you need a different hobby then.

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>>51455196

>You finish by constantly posting your models here and WIP to get feedback

I have. Pic related is the last I did. There's no motivation there. Painting them is one thing, but if I can't even use them, then why bother?

>Then you ask around you FLGS/GW to play with

Like I said, I tried. Two different LGS stores failed to get it off the ground, and a third, which is over an hour away, has a table with great terrain and no players.

As for the GW, that's 2 hours away, and down sized to a small closet.

>you look online to play the online version via tabletop simulator
Then why would I build/paint anything?

>>51455234
Solo games? That just sounds sad, man.

>>51455238
Yea. I guess I do.

>>51455261
Why not do commissions then? That's a pretty sweet NL

>>51455261
>Solo games? That just sounds sad, man
Do you watch porn with other people? No. Then shut up.

>>51455112
>What's the best way to brighten up the green?

you could mix some white in.

>>51455298
What if he does?

>>51455290
Thanks.

I've thought about it because some DnD people asked for their minis, but I honestly don't think I'm at a commissions point yet.

>>51455298
>>51455310

I have, actually...

Looking to build a Genestealer Cult army, really like the sneaky tactics involved. Anyone here have any insight on them?

>>51454993
They aren't formations. Nothing on those pages says that they are, and they don't have Formation dataslates.

>>51454835
Using Mutants with SoB

Fucking disgusting.

>>51455332
Man, sad.

>>51455184
It sounds like a logistical issue.
Consider playing online. You'll have plenty of opponents and you won't need to build or paint anything.

>>51454835
Oh forgot to mention change the multi-melta for meltaguns.
Personally I like HF+F+CF and TL-MM on the Immolator

Unless this centurions are BT you disgust me

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Adding aberrant into codex when?

>>51455332
>I honestly don't think I'm at a commissions point yet.
Free or cheap commisions, gives you practice and word of mouth.

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>>51455384
You high?

>>51455359

Playing online doesn't have the same feel, though. Years ago, my friends and I would hang out and play and paint and build. We'd play on the kitchen table or even the floor of my one friend's apartment. We'd make a day trip to the GW and play there. Once the local shop opened, we played there. It was fun hanging out and playing, and you just don't get that online.

>>51455395

Yea. Maybe. Idk. I haven't been to the shop in awhile. If I see them, well we'll see.

>>51455408
Do you still have to buy Deathwatch Overkill to get the model?

>>51455416
You got a library with log hours an dactivity room, or community centre with free spaces?

Do a "warhammer for beginners/500 point" games monthly.

>>51455420
Yes.

>>51455433
Fuck, youd think having them in the codex GW would wanna sell the model standalone.

>>51455420
You can also use Ghouls/Wracks with the old push-fit genestealer arms and/or heads.

As for the mining implement there's loads of used plastic dwaves for sale cheap.

Not easy but adds a shitload of variety, and with a grand total of... 2 poses on the official models you'll need it.

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>>51455443
1
Metal
Character
20 years old

>>51455146
Plague marines are mostly brain dead, but they are also usually described as sullen and bitter

>>51455135
Where did they get stolen from?

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>>51455443
Battle nuns here. Come back when your model range is legal everywhere in the world

>>51455431

It's a good idea, but no. There's a CC in town that went to for a little bit. I tried while I was there and didn't have any success.

The hold that MtG has I this area is astonishing. Even X-wing isn't picking up here. There's a couple that plays occasionally at the one store, but it's always just the two of them. The further away store has them on display, but I never saw them sell or played. It's all MtG and occasionally YGO.

>>51455164
Call the police then, he has stolen goods and you have evidence that it is yours

>>51455492
Wat, where are they illegal? lol

>10 Rubrics /w Soulreaper Cannon: 290pts
>Wraithknight: 295pts

Epic balance bros! :^)

>>51455476
Technically the AoBR models are still pretty cheap on the bay. No idea why they didn't just do a simple three-model box for them yet, though.

>>51455499
China probs, referring to underground revolutions are huge nono.

>>51455184
Interact with an online community. Share your progress and ideas. Bask in praise and feel motivated to improve. Try to follow tutorials. I live in rural China so this is how I motivate myself

Starting up a Dark Angels army.

I am not sure what to do here. It looks like I am going to have a very synergistic army, with tacticals in troop slots, and then a mix of Ravenwing and Deathwing to support each other. Right?

The idea is to buy a couple of Dark Vengeance boxes with a dude who wants the chaos models for a diorama project he is making, but I guess I'll need models aside from those, right?

So how do we fix Chaos Boons?

>you roll d6, then get to pick between five choices, so no more +1BD on your 2CCW Champion
>one of these allows you to pick spawn, but you are not required to do it
>after third duel victory you get to choose if you want to turn into Prince. Boons get via other means don't count towards this

>>51455507
Yeah man, why the fuck do the rubrics marines get 10 wounds? They should only get 5 models for that price.

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>>51455416
I remember playing a game over 4chan with a anon who complained about having no one to play with.

The warband of Gurgle vs the sons of Magnus. I wonder what that anon thinks of the new TS rules.

>>51455549
>Wraithknight has like eight Wounds, +3T and better saves, and he doesn't lose effectiveness with wounds on top of that

Eldar player go and stay go.

>>51455559
Thats bro as fuck anon.

So as an anon looking to get into 40k what's the best place to start? I know the majority of the lore, races, rivalries, the massive amounts of heresy and screaming "Blood for the blood god." But what factions a good starting place for someone new? Space Marines? Imperial Guard? Tau?

Also great place to pick up source material fairly cheap?

Any 3rd party make decent Inquisition plastic? I really want to build an Inquisition army, but not exactly excited about dealing with that much resin.
I'm thinking of converting black templar or grey knights for the Crusaders, but beyond that I'm stumped.

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>>51455566
Can't remember who won because we somehow ended up taking 7 hours for 5 turns.

The little squares are rubrics, the triangles were either forge fiends or mauler fiends while the paper next to the skull cannon was his terminator sorcerer.

Solo playing is a perfectly legitmate way to enjoy wargames. In fact how they were originally enjoyed.
Not everyone has the time or patience to find suitable people to play with.
For me all the enjoyment from warhammers has been everything but playing with people. Which I just don't care about.

>>51455563
It has 6 you whiny little piece of shit.

>>51455585
anything that can stay away from an overabundance of special rules is a good start

space marines and imperial guard and good for this because you can get away with an army that's straight up tanks and dudes, with some cool shit on the side thrown in and you don't have to worry about all sorts of edge case special rules.

>>51455585
Start collecting + armoured assault if you, they're really good deals.

It's better to start the faction you want and learn the hard way rather than a beginner friendly faction.

>>51455559
>no los blockers

How the fuck can you play like that

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>>51455540

Like I said in my other post, I put my stuff here and WIP, and I've seen my progress over the years (Pic related is about 8 or so years of difference). The motivation just isn't there. I bought new paints, a new detail brush, masters cleaner, a proper water palette, and yet here I am.

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Does anyone know some cute color schemes for Cadians?

I think I want to paint mine purple, but I'm not sure on the secondary color. Gray fits, but it's kind of boring. Yellow and orange can look interesting, but they clash too much. Khaki might be okay, but it might be too close to the skin tones.

Wasn't sure if this belongs in the general or wip.

I need to greenstuff some masks for my renegade guardsmen, you guys know how to make something pretty simple?

>>51455644
Take a break then. Come back later

>>51455644
I've had on and off breaks, sometimes as much as one year without picking up a brush.

But when I do paint I do it all the fucking time every day. My ex hated that, as sometimes I would get autistically engrossed in it way too much.

Total noob here, is is even theoretically possible to filed an all flyer marine list?

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>>51455650
Fun coincidence, I'm starting a purple/orange Genestealer cult scheme.

Joined two of my quick paint schemes test prototype (acolyte in progress of base coating).
I just need to differentiate a bit more the purple clothes from the purple "armor" part.

>>51455710
I do like they shade of purple. What made it so shiny?

>>51454571
Anyone else remember when games stores used to have nice tables?

>>51455720
GW shop in Warsaw has a nice table for AoS but I guess you could also play 40k on it

>>51455719
That*

>>51455659
I was thinking gas masks but they are too hard for me.

>>51455719
Excess of shade (and strong lighting for the photo). I may try to apply a layer of Genestealer purple before shading of all the purple clothes I order to have them "stand out" more from the body armor.

But I'm pretty happy with the overall aspect of the scheme.


>>51455720
Remember when store had other table than the generic sector imperialis.

My GW in luxembourg in the early 00's even had a custom made tank factory.
I'm also nostalgic of the table presented in the 3rd rulebook.

>>51455720
no, and I've been playing for a very long time

The only way to guarantee not-shit terrain is to just give up and bring your own in the trunk.

>>51455184
having friends urge you to get into the game and when you finally buy some models they either move away or switch to another tabletop

that happened to me. i got a start collecting box and several 40$ models plus all the paints and brushes and weeks later they announced that they are now investing in bolt action

>>51455759
Tell them to fuck themselves

>>51455741

The large GW store in central Manchester just has tables with a scattering of GW scenery on them. They're useable, but before GW started selling their own plastic scenery kits the stores all used to have neat home-made set-ups. The first time I went to a GW store.... circa 1990-ish, they had a great, DEEP city terrain, on different levels with underpasses and overpasses.

>>51455749
How about just cloth masks?

>>51455750
Ready-made terrain has made stores lazy :P

>>51455759
Lol. Well thats a shit game so they'll crawl back.

>>51455772
Yeah, the one I was talking about is pretty flat, becasue it AoS. So kinda sucks, my renegades will have to buy an aegis to get some cove....
Goddamnit GW


>>51455778
I was thinking cloth masks, but some anon told me they wont look good made of GS, and if Im not too good with it they will just look like blobs on a face. Also, I want to paint the masks brass, so cloth might not be the best idea.

>>51455694
Short answer, no.

>>51455659
Maybe just do bandannas that cover their mouths?

What's a good way to get that sort of diamond pattern on harlequins? My friend just game me his army, and I kind of want to paint them up and try them

>>51455772
>>51455797

I remember that all the stores were encouraged to scratch build their own city when Codex City Fight was released.

>>51455806
That sounds good, I could paint a mark of khorne at them. Now, I need to learn to make them.
Thank anon.

>>51455823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQmMr4RK5NU

Not 40K modeling, and it's french, but this could be a good reference.

>>51455637
>daemons vs thousand sons
They don't need it, neither of them have any kind of real shooting.

>>51455802
Damnit. Thanks.

>>51455750
I really like the orange on the genestealers and stuff, I'm just worried that it would look like the penal legion for guard.

>>51455720
My store has decent tables, but all of the scenery was donated by players even though it's an official GW store.

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Hey, so my buddies and I are all getting into 40k after years of interest, and we've all started on our armies.
My one friend who has played before but is starting Orks with us got my other friend and I the start collecting boxes and books of our choosing, Dark Eldar for him, and Tau for myself.
My question is, for my crises suits, is there any recommended load outs? I'm not going to bother magnetize get yet.

>>51455854
>>51455821
Yeah. All the stores were, whenever a new game was released too. Desert boards for GorkaMorka. Large Mordheim boards. Etc. Etc.

I make scenery sometimes. I was attending a local gaming club, in a library. Donated a couple of pieces of scenery.... nothing special, ruined buildings made from foam-card. The thing was on their table every week. Then they got in a fight with the cleaners and got themselves banned. Muppets. They all sit in the pub playing MTG now :/

>>51455797
Experiment maybe.... you might be able to texture the masks with a piece of damp cloth to make it look like rough sack-cloth.

>>51455839
Wow, the translation was suprisingly good. I`ll try it out, but it might make me want to kill myself at 40k scale for so many models.


>>51455901
Yeah, that might work. I was thinking about some kind of metal mask, not even full, so it will blend with the brass helmet, but I might use rags for my normal squads. (Im getting an idea here; Metal masks for desciples in my RCS, bandanas for vets and rags for everyone else.)

>>51455854
I didn't thought about the fluff of the Cult yet.

I started by wanting to start a Tyrannid Army, and definitly wanted to try a very bright orange/yellow carapace on the gaunt.
Then I fell in love with the cult models and potential playstyle (like their lore since years ago).

My idea was that the member of the cult would try to emulate the colors of their new "gods", thus the color scheme. I imagined being set as the classical religious cult among that started to grow among the upper class of a merchant world.

But a cult born from an insurection of a Penal World may definitly be an idea. I mean, as long as the administration and the guards are contaminated (and they may the first to be given that I admit that they are the part of the population that is the most in contact with off world ships), the cult is basically free to grow as it want.

... And I remembered by the "look like penal legion" was for your guard army. Then I guess that you may try light or deep blue for the "clothes" part, or an other variant of purple.

>>51455942
I sure wish there was a thread dedicated to fluff of /OurDudes/. Posting it here feels like shitposting.

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>>51456034

>>51456014
then make one man, I'd post there

what's the most horrible thing in the 40k universe?
would you like to be a citizen in the IMPERIUM

>>51456014
desu, I pretty like the personnal fluff stories. Like the guy that posted the stuff about his Raven Guard/Thousand Son Blackshield chapters a few threads ago.

>>51456014
Make one. ^-^

The general idea for mine is that the Cadians are survivors from the fall. The purple is a symbol for rememberance for those lost. (All Cadians have purple eyes.)

Generic and a bit fanfictiony, but eh.

>>51455942

Sounds fine to me! It could be awesome.

>>51456034
Consider investing a 100pts into that 4++ forcefield.

>>51455899
in lows points, i find that flamer+melta work the best

What's it like playing warhammer 40k regularly? I haven't played in 5 years and not by choice. I have too many responsibilities and live in a remote area. I just keep painting models and dreaming of playing.

>>51456089
>>51456103
>>51456073
I did a thing. I tried, really. I wont be able to contribute right now, but I will later on. Sorry.

>>51456147

>>51455563
+4T, same save and 6 wounds. That's 1/4 right. Pretty good for an npc army player.

Ok guys I have a question. I really really wanna start up a sisters army, and I found a conversion method i like, so I could get started but I am hesitant for two reasons. Well really its kind one big complicated reason, but the gist of it is that I don't know when and if official models will come out and I usually play at an official GW store and I'm worried that he wouldn't let me use a conversion in his shop, What do tg?

>>51456143
Sweet, I'll look into it.

>>51456200
Rumors are that they will release plastic within a few months. I would hold off for a bit and see.

what is a conversion method? what do you mean by that?

>>51456159
Shit, it has Toughness 8? Funny how that faggot complaining about "muh 6 wounds" forgot to correct T part as well.

Also, it has FNP, right? That's what i meant by better saves. Plus

>"like"

Means that i am guessimating. My point remains - it is overall more durable than a squad of Rubrics, so that "10 wounds" faggot is full of shit.

>>51456152
lots and lots of dice

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>>51455484

>plague marines are literally zombies

nice meme kid

>>51455499
21 years old. That is the oldes legal age for drinking/driving/sex/guns around the world.

vanguard skitarii tin stormtroopers,eh?

>>51456226
Wraithknights are just an outright broken unit. Anyone who can't admit that are either inexperienced, lying or just stupid.

>>51456278
>Increase their cost by 100pts
>They are still better than Knights

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>>51456234
I pissed off an opponent for hitting one tac squad with like 70-80 hits/wounds (IIRC) from 3 wyverns.

All the dice! :D

>>51455612
Fagdar players, everyone.

>>51456266

Welllll i mean they don't deep strike and have no meltas. I was kinda suprised about that myself actually as someone who started with skitarii and then looked into expanding into scions when i compared the stat lines

Base all your horrors on 25mm.

Get a bunch of 32mm bases painted pink, blue and orange, add magnets to specify what variety of horror they are.

Field mixed units to look all chaotic n'shit. Fluff it as a thick sea of horrors specific brands of which are impossible to pick out.

As, for 20 pinks, you'll only ever need 40 horrors on the field at once, if you already own 20 you need only buy one box of blue/brimstones with this method instead of goddamn four.

Is it possible to make good use of Chaos Termis in any other way than termicide? They're really cheap in pointscost after all, but can't really figure out where they'd fit in.

Heres a tip for all aspiring nid players. Dont fuck up when painting termagants cause stripping them is hell because getting at all the detail on the chest with a tooth brush is a pain in the ass.

>>51455547
1d6 with 1nothing, 2 +1a, 3 +1t, 4 +1s, 5 +1w, 6 +1 inv, 2 consecutive 1 or 3 in the whole game is spawnhood, 3 results of 6 you have to roll over your god number in a 2d6 to become a daemon prince, non marked characters get all the results from 2 to 6, it will not die and eternal warrior but can no longer get further favours.

Question for you lot: as a CSM player, do vindicators come in units of 1-3, or just 1? Battlescribe says the former, but I can't find a clear ruling for why

>>51456234
Sounds comfy. I'm so lonely.

>>51454595
Why is the ole Cuck in here? I thought he was for cyberpunk threads?

>>51456369
What about 100 points increase with sword and sun cannon becoming base option and the D shooters become a 35-50 upgrade

>>51454885
Th' Emp'r'r is Trump?

>>51454885
>Which army has the BEST troops unit in terms of effectiveness for the points?
Windriders, Crisis suits

>>51454885
Necron warriors are the best basic infantry unit in the game.

>>51456596
Reguades vets tho

>>51456648
Meant reneguades*

>>51456596

Well, Crisis is more shoving some specialists into the troops slot to make room for more MC battlesuits and broadsides, but it's certainly effective.

I wouldn't really call them good at being troops though.

>>51455839
>the whole video is out of focus

why though

>>51456647
Skitarii Vanguard would like a word.

>>51455031

Speaking of Ghaz, is there any way to make the core detachment for the Ork Decurion cheaper other than taking it bare bones?

>>51456714
You just need glasses. ;)

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>>51456748
No. And now you know why its a steaming pile of shit with no customisation.

First day of the Masters League at my shop today /tg/. I'm playing against Ultramarines Battle Company today. What are your hobby plans today?

>>51456789
I need to finish stripping one set of cadians, and to paint the other 80 in due time.
Send help.

>>51456789
finishing a helbrute

>>51455046
It's a formation if you can find a datasheet with the formation icon and formation requirements. If all you can find is a datasheet with the trooptype icon, you've got a unit. If you find a unit that can be taken as a formation-element in a detachment, you still have a unit.

In order to field the "formation" w/o the detachment, you will need the formation datasheet, with the formation icon.

Or play unbound.

>>51455923
Well, if you can get some Oyamaru/Instamold, you might be able to copy a mask from another model and stamp it onto them?

>>51455062
Not using the lazers background? For shame, sir!

>>51456787

Why doesn't the Mek Boy stuff include dreads and kans?

That decurion seems like it was only built around selling new models.

>>51456200
start small with the basics only
1 immolator
1 exorcist
2 squads of battlesisters
1Cannoness

from the recent Cannoness Verydian and Celestine models it should be clear, the style stays similar, so you can add to the force when the new comes out

>>51456804

What do you strip your models with? I go with either Simple Green or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (US here).

>>51456811

Do you run him by himself or as a part of one of the formations?

>>51456842
You answered your own question.

>>51456873
Mean Green, knockoff simple green that does the same exact thing but cheaper. First time stripping but it takes forever.

I blame it more on having to strip 30-40 models at a time, though.

>>51456873
>Do you run him by himself or as a part of one of the formations?
whatever

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>>51454786
I didn't ask for these feels, aon.

How are Dark Eldar fairing this edition? Looking at a few army options and their rock balls speed seems like fun.

>>51456842
Because it's a rushed job, they just rerelased old formations stick them together and called it a day

>>51456954
middle of the road

Not trash-tier, but no super optimal choices.

>>51456897

Yeah big batches makes it tough. I have a Scatbike sitting in Isopropyl right now because I dropped it mid prime yesterday and it feel in a pile of leaves and dog fur.

>>51456954

I play Dark Eldar pretty often (I own all 3 variants of Space Elves). They're a very tough army to play but they're a lot of fun and the more you play the more you'll find they can compete. They're never going to be top tier but you can win consistently with them.

>>51456787

The Goff kill mob is about the most viable of those formations isn't it?

You could throw that in with a burna bommer or dakkajet skwadron and have a pretty nice 1500 point army.

what is 40k generals idea of a 'fun' tau army to fight against? looking to get into it and tau seem cool for various reasons but see a lot of people being pissed off at stuff like riptide wings and stormsurges and stuff, so im wondering what would be reasonable or not a waac type army that would still be fun to play while remaining competitive.

>>51457038
Just not taking Riptides or Surges goes a long long way. There are still some bs OP Formations but it's mainly the raw undercosting of the insanely strong MC/GC suits (Ghostkeel not included).

>>51457038
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Riptide is "OP". It's not. They're the Tau's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tau player would know that some well supported fire warrior unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh Battlesuits or muh Riptides" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the battle suits. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tau players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>51457038

Optimized Stealth Cadre focused Tau (I want to build that army so I'm going to assume its fun to play against).

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>>51454786
Ah, it's raining

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>>51455650

>>51454684
Not a filthy loyalist player buy could you drop pod melta squads into his backline to take out his artillery before it hurts you too badly?

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>>51454786
>I barely know my father
>I'd probably ignore the shit out of him, too.

Feels good, man.

>>51456987
So you wouldnt recommend them for beginners?

>>51457195

Ultimately I'd pick whatever you like. Its an expensive hobby - its tough to pick up a beginner army and then switch a different one. I think you're better off getting what you want and getting your head bashed in until you learn to be better.

>>51457193

That fucking red termagant is bothering the shit out of me. Why is he there, what is he doing, what the fuck.

>>51457270
I think that he is supposed to be stylized flame.

>>51457270
It's probably supposed to be used as a base for a flamer blast from that Dread
It looks passable from this angle and at this resolution and shit every other way
But then it's a Tau player so just having painted models is enough to wow the local crowd

Whats a good sneaky army?

>>51457270

Clearly he is being launched out of the Stormsurge's crotch at the leviathan.

>>51457038
Just don't take a riptide wing, and stormsurges should be in games of 1850 points or higher. If anyone calls you WAAC and refuses to play against you if your list meets these conditions, you probably didn't want to play against them anyways.

>>51457296
Genestealer Cultes.

>>51454786

But that sucks because salamanders actually like people

>>51456673
Nah, too weak and squisy per point, easy to remove from capture points.

Using Crisis suits as Troops, means trying to remove enemy obsec, not utilize your own.

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>>51457270
I don't know. His post doesn't bring it up.

>>51457291
prepare for some more painted tau.

>>51457069
I've been saying this forever. It all comes down to know how to counter and play around riptides. I've seen KDK beat tau with 2 riptides and a stormsurge handily.

Anons, are Grey Knights a beginner-friendly army?

>>51457358
>painted tau
>posts xenos allies
Nice but I said TAU. As in battlesuits. As in what your local WAAClist looks like, not what the collection of someone who's probably a cool guy and has had a collection of them since 4th edition probably looks like.

Are you a butthurt Tau player or something? Grayer Good is a meme for a reason. It's uncanny. I used to be one of four Tau players in my local store and only I ever painted

>>51457362

I've played pure Khorne daemons from the Daemons book and ran down and tabled a triple riptide list.

The secret is to shove 40 flesh hounds up your opponent's ass.

>>51456200
First learn that rumours for plastic SoB are never true.

The rumour of plastic SoB next month/year is a thing since WH from 3rd.

If not going for third party, just go for chinaman recast. Other wise you are going to wait years for totally true plastic SoB models

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>>51457384
Butthurt? Meh. Just posting painted Tau which I find in abundance.

WAACfags care about winning, not painting. They only paint if there's a "best painted" category at the local tourney. Being Tau is besides the point.

>>51457394
Yeah the dogs were what won the game for my friend too.
Tau have a bunch of great options, but people only seem to pay attention to the power picks.

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>Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows
Does that mean I can get away with serving Khorne by only killing bad people?

Can I become a khornate batman, /tg/?

>>51456555
check traitor legions

How do you finance your hobby lads? Do you have a high and steady income or make sacrifices for it?

>>51457409

Are we still in the month where plastic sisters started coming out? Because I think we still are.

Funny that.

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>>51457442
Confirmation bias is strong.

>>51457432
>that xv15
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I WANT IT NOW

>>51457450
It's basically what Death-cult Assassins do, though some do it less intentionally than others.

>>51457450
Yes. Khorne only cares if you use magic or are Slaaneshi.

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>>51457432
>Tau player has a drawer labeled "Secretions"

>>51457460
Which one? Verydian was a one time only resin model. That suddenly is on production due to money.

Celestine is an Imperium HQ that happens to have the SoB faction.
For bloody sake the cow doesn't even have AoF and the bonus it grants are rather ass with SoB.

Call me when SoB have an actual plastic range and not a single model (with wounds that can hit people) bundle up with other stuff.

Again till we see actual new model range. They are just the same useless rumours from 3rd

>>51457455

I have a fairly normal income I just live way below it so that helps. Also I budget - it helps. I know I can spend around 150 dollars a month on my hobby so even if I don't spend that I put it on a gift card.

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>>51457468
They are elusive.

>>51457468
>>51457473
Interdesting.

Are there codes of conduct for the servants of Chaos? As in, Nurgle worshipers being forbidden from tangling with forbidden lore, or Khornates not allowed to have sex.

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So with all the power creep that has left a few factions like Orks in the dust, I was wondering. How good were Orks in older editions? Were they truly a green tide of murder happy bruisers commin' for your dudes?

>>51457464
I'm totally stealing this scheme. Where did you find it?

>>51457644
There was a time like that, especially after the Deff Rolla FAQ in 5th.

It did not last that long though

>>51455408
>Pick is +2 strength ap3 unwieldy
>Hammer is +3 strength ap2 concussive unwieldy

They can't take extra weapons so two-handed and specialist weapon doesn't matter. So why would you ever take the pick over the hammer?

>>51457636
No, you don't understand the gods. From your post it seems like you read on 1d4meme. For example, Slaanesh is the god of excess, not sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. They can fall under Slaanesh, but only if taken too far. Understand what I'm saying?

>>51457644
There was a time where choppas didn't allow a better save than a 4+ so boyz would chop marines to bits like they were nothing.

>>51457695
so would Slaaneshy also be the God (?) of autism?

>>51457644
Back in third the normal boys made any armour save 4+ or worst

See those terminator? 4+ save
Those biker marines? 4+ save
Those guardsmen? 5+ as usual

Later, biker nobz with how wound allocation worked. Basically you had to wound each biker before anyone would go down.

>>51457725
Not of Autism, but doing something willingly to a obscene degree
>I'm going to be the best sculptor so i will finish this perfect statue in 1 session, using 1 set of tools, with 1 bit of marble

>>51457725
Khorne would govern autistic rage.

Tzeentch holds the greatest neckbeard wisdom.

Nurgle has no hygiene.

Slaanesh is excessive masturbation.

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>>51457658
The public Tau facebook group.

>>51457743
And then IG came out and could annihilate a 500+ point Nob Biker squad in first turn.

After that The Green Tide got quite popular, but it was the beginning of the end.

>>51457695
No

>>51457464
I'm aware of the other factors at play, but that still doesn't mean that hounds aren't good for tieing up a shooting army while the rest of the army follows behind.

Is there a comprehensive list of independant formations and shit like that?

There are so many extra books to slog through without even being able to tell if anything applicable to your army is in them to begin with.

>>51457793
blood of kittens has one

>>51457644
in 3rd / 3.5 when the codex first made drastic changes to the ork style around that era orks were really good.

Later in the 5th ed tourney scene orks became really good again despite their codex showing its age because the meta was so hard towards vehicles that foot slogging orks really threw 99% of army compositions for a loop.

So your answer is 1 to 3 times orks have been good since 3rd depending how you look at it.

>>51454885
Tyranid tervigon.
3+ save T6 W6 MC that spawns free obsec haunts (in a CAD), and can take a MC drop pod for pinpoint objective control/haywire template madness.

>>51455164
so he keeps your models hostage?

What happened to the mega? Where are my freepubs?

Is there a golden number of ablative bubblewrap wounds in gun line guard?

>>51457797
Awesome, thanks senpai

>>51455496
>>51457823

He did it years ago and waited too long to be able to prove theyre his.

He needs to punch buddy in the mouth grab his stuff and leave, then completely "I dont know what youre talking about." the incident to anyone who asks about it. As lie or not if hes smart his word will outlast a known junkie.

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>>51455164
lol just shoot him

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>>51457785
Oh, did you mean on the tabletop, people ignore "lessor" units, allowing you to use them to precision-target enemies and objectives while other units act as distractions?

Yeah, no doubt.

My bad, anon. I thought you meant Tau Players only select the strong units when list building, ignoring half of their codex.

>>51457811
Tervigon a shit

>>51456987
>all 3 variants
There's 4

>>51456954
Go eldar corsairs instead
They're dark eldar but better and have options from all eldar codex's

>>51455710
Would definitely suggest drybrushing the armour, personally not a fan of the drybrush paints but ushabti bone is a decent highlight for jokaero or troll slayer orange. It really picks out a lot of detail, also agrax is great for orange.

>>51456787
Are the flier squadrons anygood?

>>51457676
They come stock with rending claws, so the pick provides an extra attack.

>>51455164
I fucking told you to get the police involved if you want them back you told us the guy was suicidal and a drug addict your army is GONE, more than likely sold on ebay

>>51457901
are rending claws specialist weapons?

>>51457914
it's Britain post-Brexit

odds are he's the same

>>51457843
Lowest multiplier to protect against a 25% break test.

>>51457930
What?

>>51457918
Are power picks?
I'll give you a hint, the answer to both questions is no.

Which side of the Heresy would the Void Dragon likely have supported if it had an interest in the conflict at all?

>>51457914
>>51455164
Ain't his dad some posh newmoney?
Lean on him and mention being forced to go to the cops.

That should provoke a "return that guy's shit or you're cut off" response.

>>51454779
THIN YOUR PAINTS

jokes aside, maybe thin your paints a little more.
Not at all bad for a first miniature.
Tips I can give are:
-really put effort in to precision and clean lines and edges, it's worth the time and effort.
-try adding a wash and higlighting, or wash then base colour again then higlight.
Also try overall lighter colours, it might be the pic but it looks very dark

>>51457676
most cults weapons are same as dark eldar, they get the rule just from being equipped. So usually you have rending no matter what.

>>51457874

Corsairs are a FW list which, depending on your local group, can be a problem (not in my group thankfully).

That said I forget to count Corsairs as a variant given that I just consider them to be bits and pieces of CW:E and DE. I have about 20 reavers and 4 converted corsair venoms for them, need to do up a really fantastic Prince.

I think if you're going to stand alone Corsairs are better but CW:E and DE allied together is a fairly potent list.

>>51457450
>Does that mean I can get away with serving Khorne by only killing bad people?
You can start that way, but if you live long enough, you'll see yourself become the villain

>>51456034
Completely shit on by GSC turn one/10

>>51458014
>If you live long enough, you'll see yourself become the villain
Nice meme.

>>51457455
Disregard females, acquire currency.

>>51457450
First it's the unredeemable villains, then the violent offenders, the pickpockets, the cheats, the jaywalkers, the ones in the way, the ones that complain, the ones that clearly think you're wrong, the ones that waste your time by hiding.

>>51457892
You're talking as if anything in the Ork book gets formation bonuses.

The flier squadron is just take an Ork flier.

>>51456455
Best I ever did was hit a 10 strong group of terminators with 15 burna boyz in a battlewagon. covered 8 of them. Guess how many lived.

>>51458031
It's true though in this case. Khorne's corruption will erode any noble intention, honor or sense of justice

>>51457676
Rending Claws count as a ccw.

>>51457455
Dont jump from flavor of the month army to flavor of the month army.

Pick the few armies you like and flesh them out over time, eventually youll have a massive model count and be able to swap out lists or keep up with edition changes with minimal money and effort.

The secret is finding the armies you really like and planning for the long term, not jumping around with every new release like some out of control whalezilla.

>>51457979
Could go 1 of 2 ways.

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>>51457010
>Orks
>Viable anything

I mean you would have a bunch of useless min 10 man boyz, i guess you can add 2 boys to each and throw 'em in trukkz, but we know how shit Trukka boyz are. Hell you would probably have to leave one behind to give your Warboss and his handful of no upgrade nobz a Trukk

Then you get kanz and a 'Naut which suck shit, and your entire walker presense is really just two cheap Deff Dreads, but they'll lose to any other walker. And then a handful of fliers that fall apart if anything looks at them and barely do any damage, and you have no reserve buffs so who knows if anyone will show up.

So in short, you wouldn't have a 'nice' army, but you certainly would have..An Army.

>>51458085
>Khorne's corruption
Nice meme.

>>51458152
In the new GSC heavy meta, my friend borrowed my ork walker army list and won a 12 man tournament.

>>51458188

How'd they manage that?

>Be interested in all things warhammer for at least the last 15 years.
>Can literally spend hours reading shitty fluff on 1d4chin, lexicanum and other wikishits.
>Don´t have the money to spend on minis nor time / skill / will to paint.
>Want to actually learn how to play

Is tabletop simulator a viable option?
>Bonus is I could potentially play X-wing miniatures with my brother.

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>>51458188
>Orks are good if you play a very specific local meta and basically tailor a bunch of walkers versus the one army that struggles with that guise!

And then the whole store clapped

>>51458313
>GSC
>struggle with walkers
>rending on everything + a million attacks
sure

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Don't mind me, just posting more painted Tau.

>>51458268
It's possible to play 40k with TTS, though it's better suited for X-Wing IMO

>>51458459
By the Emperor, how heretical!

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>>51458459
[Need for exterminatus intensifies]

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>>51458159
>>51458031
>>NICE MEME
literal cancer

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>>51457555

>>51458313

Nobody struggles against Walkers, so that argument goes out the window.

>>51458577
>literal cancer
nice m e m e

>>51457771
>Green Tide

Those were the days. It was stupidly easy to make a fun, fluffy Ork army that also worked.

I never won any games by a landslide, but every game I was in was a blast to play.

Any recommendations for a small army bag?

>>51458635

The Green Tide is still winning games for Orks isn't it?

>>51458053
Fucks sake GW.

So i joined into 40k half way through 7th and never felt a ed transition before how is it usually. Do most armies suddenly drop in meta or what?

>>51457892

I think the Dakkajet ones get Tank Hunter against enemy flyers.

It's been a long time since I last played warhams, but I'm thinking of getting back into it. Looking at a 1000pts list, I wanted to make mechanised guard. My goal for this list was to have nothing walking, and this list does that and fits barely under 1000pts, but will it be in any way competitive. It also means I can't take any fun elites or anything because all my spare points are tied up in the tank commander.

Anyway, the list:
HQ
Tank Commander (2 Leman Russ without sponsons)
Troops
2*Platoon Commander
4*Guardsman Squads
6 Chimera Dedicated Transports.

Works out at 990 so I have room for a single piece of wargear across the whole army.

>>51458756

Depends on how drastic the shift. More often than not codexes cause more meta change than the edition shift itself. Obviously the power of specific lists changes through the process but most of the time you're left with a shifted but not entirely shaken meta.

Whats the diffrence between LatD and IG on the TT? Both make use of big blobs, both spam artillery. At least thats what I`ve been seeing most times when playing agianst them.

>>51458789
One of them worships a rotting corpse.