Warhammer 40,000 General

First for Dark Eldar. Remember that Ignores Cover weapons are broken and should be removed from the game.

>>51444179
The Flock to the Front Line rule that the Castellans of the Imperium possess fits for the Imperial Guard but doesn't really fit for Space Marines, Inquisition or Sisters of Battle. What should it be replaced with for units from those Codexes?

2nd for the Omnissiah and the Machine God

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Culturally what has changed from the Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus and now the Black Legion? What has tactically changed from their Horus revering days to now under Abbadon?

Do they still behave like the Sons of Horus or could you consider them a new group entirely?

We still can't buy BL books on amazon? I was prepared to give them 16 whole American dollars for the new knight book.

I feel like spending 5 minutes on google finding a copy to steal will be easier than registering an account on their site.

>>51444240
The Black Legion is a mesh-mash of everything. They are nothing like what the Sons of Horus were.

The only thing that unites the Warbands of the Black Legion is their fantical hatred (more focused than other legions/warbands) of the Imperium and their fear and loyalty for Abaddon who is a messianic figure to them.

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FIRST FOR DA ORKS!
WE MAY NOT BE DA FASTEST BUT WE HIT DA 'ARDEST!

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Dark City Best City

>>51444297
>S3

Black Legion players, how do you kit out your Lord? Jump pack with the Raptor Talon you definitely took?

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So I've just finished building a sizable IG army and I've turned my attention to my mostly unpainted CSM army. The ones that are painted are Iron Warriors and I intend to paint the rest the same. The one issue I have is after looking up the cool new Legion rules in Traitor Legions I've noticed they seem somewhat... lackluster. Are they actually as bad as they seem to be or am I missing some key element somewhere?

>>51444319
>Power Klaws
>S8/9
>S10

>>51443883
He enslaved them just to build a statue of him.
No idea about total warhammer but I image they put a gork face on it.

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>>51444299
Lightning raid champs reporting!

>>51444329
>I1
Laughingbloodthirsters.gif

>>51444326
Their Warlord Traits and Artifacts are lousy (though they're one of the three Legions that can give 2+ armor to a Daemon Prince, which can combine with Daemon of Tzeentch...).

Obliterator Troops are rather solid though, and Tank Hunters on them AND Havocs is really solid. Autohavocs were mathematically "decent" (good for Chaos at any rate), so Tank Hunters makes them do what they should do, which is pop Rhinos and stuff.

Their super-detachment is also neat if for some reason you want to run a maxed-out Chaos Warband for a lot of Obsec, and just take an Armored Crate as your Auxiliary so your Autohavocs re-roll 1s to hit.

Or you could be cheeky and run three solo Vindicators (and mandatory Warpsmith, sigh) as your Auxiliary, giving one Badab War Legacy so it can outflank, and be disruptive.

I "suppose" you could do a Dinobot build, but I feel Word Bearers do that thing better, since their emphasis on Summoning means they'll have a better chance of getting Cursed Earth in the first place.

>>51444379
>>51444297
>WE MAY NOT BE DA FASTEST BUT WE HIT DA 'ARDEST!
>NOT DA FASTEST
As in I1
>HIT DA 'ARDEST
As in S10
Make sense now?

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>>51442168
>>51442376

Then, we learn Later that this Freebootaz Fleet is led by no one less than Kaptin Bluddflagg, now fully canonized!

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6faqXut_oQk

>>51444424
>HIT DA 'ARDEST
>he doesn't have HQs with strength D

Would new Celestine look good in Order of the Bloody Rose get up?

Not feeling Brass/gold look

>>51444321
MoN to avoid getting S8 instagib
Always sigil
always meltabomb
weapons vary

>>51444424
>Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage
>I1
>S:D

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>>51444442
>SD I1
>Gets killed by 'Eadwoppa's Killchoppa

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So, this. Is there anything to it?

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>>51444179
I claim this bread for the Omnissiah. Blessed weapons for everyone who isn't an alien or an edgelord.

>>51444491
But every real army has 4++ on their HQ's

>>51444499
>What is the Mega Force Field?

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>>51444495
Hi i am an alien AND an edgelord
can i hab one?

>>51444493

People are surmising that with the new sneak peak preview that people are saying could be / is probably Draigo it could make sense we're going to get a new Draigo vs Mortarion grudge match

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>>51444472

Saint Sailor Moon would have a day teaching every sister to be less dickish with everyone and use only the power of Friendship like her to boost allies

Does 40k Canonically have time travel/time rifts?

>>51444499
>tfw Bloodthirsters only have a 5++ and a 3+

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>>51444517
No. Edgelord Aliens are too heretical.

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So has this already made the round here? Wish I had a source.

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>>51444526

ok

>>51444511
>4++ against shooting
>100 points

what is the best way for tau to bust through AV 14?

crisis suit w. fusion blasters deep striking behind or close enough to get the extra d6 to AP roll?
lots of hammerheads and heavy rail guns?
stormsurges and those strength D rockets it carries?
broadsides pining for those lucky sixes to glance them to death?
commander farsight himself cutting through them with the dawnblade?

>>51444535
Wish you'd check the fucking thread.

>>51444527

Sort of, ships drop out of the warp from 8,000 years ago

a pre-fall Eldar ship dropped out of the warp oblivious to everything

also the Inquisitors has an Ordo Chronos faction to prevent time travel dickery

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>>51444299

Best city confirmed

>>51444535
Couple of posts above you. Also, last thread.
Also also, an entire seperate thread.
Consensus is that it may well be legit, as the GK aegis/psychic hood points towards either Draigo or Stern in plastic, with everybody betting on Draigo, and Mortarion was horribly emberassed by Draigo the last time he showed his ugly mug in real space.

>>51444566
And Ordo Chronos failed.

>>51444527
None on purpose, but yeah.

>>51444566

Ordo Chronos...tell me more anon

>>51444593
Well, Motarion is the old model of primarch. Clearly the Nu-Primarchs like Draigo are superior.

>>51444491
Haven't you heard?
Bloodthirsters can get strength D at their native initiative of 9.

SKULLthirsters are the new hotness.

>>51444526

>As if Celestine wouldn't do that when she leaves the Webway and travel to the Order's Headquarters

>>51444608
They track time disturbances, go there and kill everything to avoid time fuckery.

>>51444612
Isn't that only on a roll of a 6 though?
That isn't a reliable way to gauge the effectiveness of wargear though.

>>51444632
It is when you have 7 attacks + rampage, on average that's at least 1 strength D attack.

>>51444373

That's the Harlequin map.

>>51444612
The D axe is collossal, so I1.

>>51444608
They tried to stop time funk but disappeared.

>>51444209
So should jink.

Also IgoUgo.

>>51444652
Yes, so take skullreaver instead.

>>51444664
Sorry but this is a 40k thread.

>>51444612
Nope. Dthirsters are I1. Their axe has Super Unwieldy.

What do you guys think of the Gangs of Commorragh box? I just picked it up, why is the stunclaw so shit? It's literally Hellglaive -1.

>>51444664
The axe affects the model and not the weapon. Dthirster is always I1.

>>51444566
Don't forget that occasionally you can arrive at your destination thousands of years in past.

>>51444683
Scan the rulebook and upload it here. Do Et!

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>>51444431
I really do feel like DoWII really, really captured the feel of what Orks are in the 40K universe.

>>51444692
Now that's a Kaptin.
>>51444431
Now that's it man.

>>51444684
Put it on the other Bloodthirster?

>>51444668
>>51444675
>>51444684
You have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, I'm not saying take the meme thirster with the huge axe, take a bloodthirster with a skullreaver.

gimmie a second to quote it.

>>51444431
Every time is see a ling with that comic i hope someone has actually done a singalong with ragdolled game assets.

>>51444691
I can take pictures I guess. Stand by for dump

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Rate my test figure

>>51444747

since patrick is voicing only JJBA atm, i think he would agree to make it, but his orky voice would be a bit rusted

unless he's working voicing some 40k games secretly

>>51444659

Jink can be removed if I can take Flickerfields on Raiders again.

how many people here magnetise or otherwise switch out different weapons on things like dreadnoughts or crisis suits (or any battlesuit for that matter)? it seems like it would be nicer to have the option of swapping weapons on a model when you want to change your list around but obviously you cant do that if you glue shit on. obviously its all aesthetics but it would help with keeping track of individual units and their loadout.

also whats the deal with a crisis suit set of sprues giving you 4 of each weapon so you cant have 3 with the same weapon twin linked unless you bought bits or some shit.

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>>51444179
Does anybody have a PDF of Warhammer: The Face of Battle?

>>51444777
Well if it's gonna be a proper homage it'll also need a chorus

If we turned the clock back and dropped superheavies, gargantuans, flyers, formations and allies out of the game, would it really that much more balanced than it is now?

>>51444734
>skullreaver 30 points
>S user ap2 melee, anathema, specialist weapon
>rolls of 6 to hit are resolved at strength D
>take a 20 point greater gift
>blade of blood
>specialist weapon (2ccw bonus), you gain rampage just for having it
>ws10 i9 s7 (furious charge) a7 (rampage) ap2 6s to hit are strength D
That's SKULLthirster

>>51444804
Absolutely.

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>>51444762
First is reference sheet, which has all the special rules and stats.

>>51444860
>>51444762
Thanks, anon.

hey guys i just started getting into 40k.
how often does GW release new miniatures? do releases like armored assault, gangs of com and the triumvirate always happen as quickly as they do?

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>>51444860
Combat drugs are very very nice btw.

>>51444775
Betterthanmine/10 Its really good my dude/Lady

>>51444775
I really like the flecktarn design of the camo.

I wouldn't want to paint 200 dudes in it, though.

Looks good, but it also looks like a lot of work. Keep it up.

>>51444545
Onager Gauntlets and Haywire grenades charging in melee

>>51444775
i like it

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>>51444881
All the experience level stats are here. Your dudes rank up over time in campaign.

>>51444804
If nothing else, it means when designing a take-all-comers list, there's less you have to keep in mind. You don't need to worry about what'll happen if you face off against someone who brought three flyers, or a whole army of Knights. Reducing that kind of hard skew would improve balance a little. It isn't going to drasticly alter the power rankings - Eldar and Tau will still be on top, Orks and Tyranids at the bottom - but I think the worst of it would be filed off in casual games.

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>>51444902
Here are weapon stats, which shows the annoyingly inferior stunclaw.

>>51444804
Nope. CAD only would just make Eldar better than everyone else even more, since they get Scatter Laser troops.

Rather, formations need to be a "tradeoff" almost, a mix of bonus, tax, and maybe the odd drawback. Like, I would be ok with the Riptide Wing IF it required said Riptides to "act as one unit" for all intents and purposes except "extra Victory Points" and not getting "Fire Team". You know, something that isn't "Take a unit that is one of the best units from an army, remove the need to take any other part of the army as a tax, and give it lots of bonuses with no drawbacks."

>>51444804
No, because the game was never actually really balanced.
Eldar would still be the top army, SMs would still out-shoot everything of note, Tau would still be all around powerful, and the bottom armies would still be at the bottom because all the shit you mentioned hasn't made them better.

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>>51444917
I'm not including stuff like "What's in the box", "What is dice", and the fluff, but all the rules are here.

>>51444804
No. There would still be grav, d-weapons, invulns everywhere, stacking fnp, stacking psychic powers, muddy nonsensical rules and Eldar.

>>51444917
That's disappointing they don't give new options/loadouts for Hellions.

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>>51444936
Murderpack is my new favourite word.

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>>51444949

>>51444936
>12 miniatures for 50 bucks
>select the models
Yes GW, because there is so much to chose from your overpriced piece of shit box

>>51444949
Phil Kelly really likes to use the word Murder in whatever he does. I wonder if he's hiding something from his personal life from us.

I mean, the MURDER SWORD Chaos Space Marines have was a bit memetic, but then 7th ed Space Wolves have MURDERFANG, with MURDER CLAWS, and MURDERLUST!

>>51444775


I love the heads but don't like the spekle pattern, looks like he's wearing pajamas

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>>51444960
Sorry that some are sideways, I'm using my phone for this. I'll give you guys some good HD stuff when I get home.

>>51444949
>MURDER

>>51444791
>I'm fine with x being removed as long as I still get some variant of x.

>>51444805
>tfw only play KdK
>can't customize Thirsters
>can't give DPs a 4++

>>51444692
Is she balding or is that a hairstyle?

>>51444961

>Four kits for less than the price of 2 plus a game
>Overpriced

Buddy calm the shit down, slightly less than half normal price is pretty close to the actual value of the product.

>>51445004
>actually defending GW

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>>51444961
It comes with 16 models, is good deal.
>>51444982
The hunter quarry stuff is a lot of fun in practice desu, even if it seems weird.

>Read about news so far for Ynnead / Avatar of Ynnead

He consumes / absorbs Eldar souls

How is this any different than Slaanesh?

>>51444804
>flyers
Only a handful of flyers in the entire game are worth a shit, and a single AA unit is usually more than enough to render them a moot point because they are outrageously fragile.
Why are people mad about them? I mean, who can run massed flyers outside of IG, and most players don't even have enough to be of worry.

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>>51445012

>>51444993
You'd think the army that focuses on demon summoning and shit would allow more flexibility with them.

I forgive this because of the 60pt Axe of Khorne with a thirster in it

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>>51445029
The break rules make the Dark Eldar seem like cowards, which they are.

>>51445011

I'll defend them the moment you go from complaining about the million and one real things to complain to... This.

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>>51445044

>>51445030
Goredrinker on a souped up DP is bretty gud.

Though I realized that it's a better idea to probably just take a regular Thirster or Super Thirster seeing as my DP ends up being 270 points.

>>51445020
So does the laughing god. Keeps old slutnesh from getting hold of the souls at least

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>>51445052
Campaign rules look enjoyable, if a bit forgiving.

>>51445022
Almost no one at my flgs ever has flyers. I don't even need dedicated aa to kill them. The worst I've ever had to deal with was 2 storm ravens that I just shit all over when they stopped to drop stuff off.

>>51445022

Personally I find flyers and FMC's annoying less because they make the game harder, and more that they're generally unreasonably hard to remove without bringing a unit that's incapable of hurting ground targets.

Which is sucky in that it feels out of the excessive carnage based spirit of the game.

>>51444775
Good camo, through I'd make his rifle casing and hard armour identical in colour to add continuity

How large is the employee discount for GW?

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>>51445062
On choosing MURDERPACKS and "special jobs".

>>51445074
I'm kinda not sure what tone of green to make his rifle yet, but it's the difference between having a black wash on it or not, so I guess I'll pay more attention to it next time.

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>>51445101
Subplots. Make sure to watch out for Scourges who want to gas you.

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>>51445117
The very forgiving casualty rules on this page. I'm thinking fo changing it to 1-2 death, 3-4 injury and 5-6 fine.

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>>51445140
The Dark Eldar black market and you.

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>>51445157
Training seems to be a good idea, especially for leaders to get tons of skills.

>>51444881
>>51444860
Can you redo these?

>>51444968
So what does he do when writing Tau

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>>51445166
Finally, the rules for SKYWARS, wars that take place in the sky!

Tell me if you guys cant read any of the pictures, I'll get a new one up.

>>51445189
Rapes their lore like he was a demented sex starved serial rapist.

Holy shit this is actually pretty close to Necromunda

>>51445157
whats in the red box
post contents

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>>51445176
Sure thing.
>>51445213
They're my coasters.

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>>51444881
>>51445176
Manoeuvres, showing Hellion Superiority.

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>>51444326
Look at your detatchment, now back to me. Look at your infinite fortifications, now back to me. I hate you. I've always hated you. I'm going to tear your house down.


Im on the Phalanx.

>>51445140
>The very forgiving casualty rules on this page. I'm thinking fo changing it to 1-2 death, 3-4 injury and 5-6 fine.

1 in 6 is not very forgiving. It's about the same as Necormunda, Mordheim and Gorkamorka.

When you are actually playing the game, you will be glad it's not 2 in 6.

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>>51445213
Here are my sweet Frank L. Wright coasters.

>>51445280
Pretty cool. Good taste

>>51444775
Better than spooky headless guardsmen.

Really sick paintjob. Looking forward to seeing you post them regularly.

>>51445279
I just think the game should be more lethal, considering it's played miles in the air at high speeds, where noone wears much armour and weapons are very deadly.

>>51445321
Not sure if sarcastic or not

>>51444775

Pretty boss dude.

>>51444796
Anybody?

>>51445326
Also, collisions can't kill you, which makes no sense.

>>51445378
It's an art book, not many upload pdfs of those.

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>>51444796
With this occasion I am also bumping my request for the Gothic and the Eldritch

>>51444545
Piranhas
>tfw when your only melta model explodes a smokescreened land raider turn 1 while jinking

>>51444326

>2 wound terminator devastator tank hunter troops
>regular devastators have tank hunters too
>bionics on everything
>can take as many fortifications as you want if you run a Grand Company
>one of the few Chaos armies that can give a lord or daemon prince artificer armor
>that one special item they get that shoots out haywire shockwaves

seem decent enough to me

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>>51445441

>>51445499
Is Tau vehicles in everything a new meme?First in Marvel now here lol

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>>51445390
But the pictures in it look so purty.

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I'm a newfag and I have a question about equipping a model.

-If I have a Ministorum Priest from Imperial Agents codex, can I select multiple weapons from Ranged options? Like, replace his Laspistol and CCW with 2 shotguns for example.

-Likewise, does that mean a Captain from Space Marines codex can equip 2 power fists?

-Lastly, since this is similar wording but not quite the same, can a Ordo Malleus Inquisitor take 2 Hellrifles?

I'm not trying to "munchkin" anything, I'm just asking to make sure I understand it correctly.

>>51445499
lewd

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Should I equip an Ultramarines tac squad with a Flamer or Plasma gun and a Heavy Bolter or Missile Launcher?

>>51444499
[Impotent Tyranid wailing]

>>51445522
>-If I have a Ministorum Priest from Imperial Agents codex, can I select multiple weapons from Ranged options? Like, replace his Laspistol and CCW with 2 shotguns for example.

1) Learn 2 read.
2) reread the first sentence in the options entry

>>51445280
That's some sweet art deco.

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>>51445522
God-Emperor those models suck.

Also.

>Equipping your Priest with anything but an Eviscerator and Shotgun

>>51445522

Yes, you can do this, but you can't dual wield long guns, only pistols, unless you're a monstrous creature or have a multi-tracker, so why would you?

Also why would you dual wield power fists when you could go power fist + lightning claw instead for an option of speed vs power depending on what you are fighting?

>>51445540

Ask yourself what you want the tac squad to do, then go with the appropriate weapon

>>51445574

nevermind, >>51445559 is correct, a priest can only take one weapon from the ranged weapons list

so if you wanted to dual wield ranged weapons on a priest, you would need to go laspistol + plasma pistol

>>51444530
It's a double negative.

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Out of Swooping hawks, Fire Dragons, Dark reapers and Warp spiders, which one's the better to cut to fit them in a Aspect host?

Ain't got enough to field two ranged hosts.

>>51445564
>art deco

It takes me 18mins to paint one of my Tempestus Scion models, how quickly does everyone else paint?

>>51445582
I dunno, I'm building it as an 'introduction to Kill Team' squad, but I don't play Space Marines. I just know the weapon profiles from the BRB and basic SM statline of 4 across the board, sorry.

>>51445631
>18mins
How

>>51445631
>spray gaunt
>dip in quickshade

>>51445631

I've spent upwards of 3-4 hours painting a single guardsman

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Still waiting for the greatest Imperial there ever was.

>>51445631
I've been painting Celestine and Gemini in 4-6 hour blocks for just over a week...I'm a really slow painter.

>>51445624
Well I don't care much for art so don't know the names for styles, but that sort of geometric patterns is heavily feature on deco buildings.

>>51445540

>Flamer
Good at killing infantry, even inside of certain transports, also close range suppression against assault troops, BUT you will need a transport to get you there, and tactical squads are meh in close combat. Better served in an army like Black Templars, Space Sharks or Chaos where you can take assault marines(sans jump packs) as your basic tactical squad equivalent

>Plasma Gun
All-round good against everything, but will occasionally blow up in your face, though your chapter tactics mitigate this. Allows your marines to dominate firefights against other space marines.

>Heavy Bolter
It's kinda meh, tears apart infantry and light vehicles at medium to long range but isn't super reliable. Cheap in points though. If you are planning on camping an objective and nothing else, not a bad way to go, expect to have to snap fire it half the time though.

>Missile Launcher
Also pretty meh, gives you an anti-vehicle/MC option that's (lol)AP2, an anti-infantry option that's (lol)small blast, and an anti-flyer option that you won't be using unless your opponent brought air support

Go with plasma, I'd say.

>>51445636

What are you sorry about? If you plan on fighting armor, take a melta. If you are fighting MEQ take flamers or plasma, etc.

>>51445631
I've finished painting one mini in... the last 9 years.

>>51445668
Good Lord, I'd die. I started out with guard and the though of painting the horde of miniatures was too much for me.
>>51445660
I'm no Duncan, and it's only fatigue colors, armor colors, and two different colors for some of the edge armor bits and fiddly bits. Plus a wash. Looks decent on the tabletop but not so great close up.

>>51445662

That's not painting.

>>51445614

Warp Spiders are the WAAC option. Cool kids run Dark Reapers.

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Painting up some conscripts right now /tg/ what are you lads up to?
And tried to make them look pretty weathered so hopefully it doesn't look too shit.

>>51445636
A melta will one hit kill multi wound T4 models which may show up and can also kill tanks. A krak missile will do the same.

What's the difference between Forgeworld and GW?

What's the difference between Doom of mymeara and Suppliment Iyanden?

Can I use Hornets in my 40k list?

DO I need to be playing Apoc or need permission to run Mymeara formations?

>>51445719
Sorry
>spray gaunt
>paint carapace and gun with basecoat
>dip in quickshade

>>51445684
That's fair though, she's like a center piece she needs to look good. I know I'm going to have trouble with my Knight, I can't avoid brush strokes on vehciles so I keep having to strip and try again. No brush strokes on my infantry though.

>>51445723
That's a funny way of spelling Howling Banshees, Mon'keigh Aeldari weeb.

>>51445725
Walking the three miles home from GW.

>>51445737
Sections of same company
The content
Yes
No

>>51445691
Alright, Plasma Gun sounds like a good idea! Debating between Heavy Bolter or Missile Launcher now. I've heard Heavy Bolters are really good in Kill Team though, so there's that.

>>51445699
Yeah, I figured.

>>51445765
Those aren't a ranged aspects tho.
Hurr durr shurikan pistole XEXEXEXE

>>51445718
Post pics

>>51445737

>What's the difference between Forgeworld and GW?
Forge World is an auxiliary company that focuses on fleshing out certain factions' lore and providing rules for less common units. Their models are always resin and don't look as stupid as some of the GW ones. Their rules tend to be about allowing people to play gritty armies rather than rule of cool special snowflake armies, and are usually better designed and balanced. Emphasis on "usually."

>What's the difference between Doom of mymeara and Suppliment Iyanden?
They are two different supplements. Iyanden lets you run a wraith host in a CAD iirc, Doom of Mymeara is a complete expansion with all-new units some of which are grotesquely overpowered

>Can I use Hornets in my 40k list?
Yes

>DO I need to be playing Apoc or need permission to run Mymeara formations?
If the formation is marked "apocalypse", yes

>>51445725
Procrastinating, I started converting Black orcs into 'ard Nobs, but halfway through i realised I'll never use them.

>>51445636

You definitely don't want a flamer in Kill Team. They're worse than a bolt pistol in KT.

I find the plasma pistol quite good because it can also toast a rhino/sentinal.

HB vs ML:
3 shots, 2 hits, 1.33(T4)/1.67(T3) wounds. 0.44 unsaved on a marine.
1 shot, 0.67 hits, 0.56 wounds. 0.56 unsaved on a marine.

Against AV11 - 3/2/0.33 vs 1/0.67/0.44

I'd go heavy bolter. Much better against anything that isn't a marine or rhino and not much worse against those.

Once again, frag missiles aren't even worth considering.

>>51445829
I'm currently out and about, but I can when I get home.

>>51445853
>all-new units
It's all just updated units, only new contents is thee alternative Core detachment and some formations featuring the existing FW stuff.

>>51445614
Of the four, I'd bin off the Fire Dragons, since they need a transport to really do anything. Hawks and Spiders can Deep Strike and are fast enough to get into the action without support, and Dark Reapers have the range to sit back and plink away all game, but Fire Dragons aren't any good unless you buy another unit for them.

>>51445691

>an anti-vehicle/MC option that's (lol)AP2

"an anti-vehicle/MC option that's (lol)AP3" is what I meant. The point was that it's not AP2, which is a huge deal.

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>>51445853
>play gritty armies rather than rule of cool special snowflake armies

>>51445870
>I find the plasma pistol quite good

Plasma gun, I meant. Pistol is shit.

>>51445274
I love you.

>>51445879

Skathach wraithknight is new, I think, though using one outside of apocalypse is the stinkiest gorgonzola cheese imaginable.

The rest of the units are new for a player who just has codex eldar, they are expansion units.

>>51445897

I was talking about 30k armies, badab armies, kriegers, elysians, mymearan eldar, renegade guard, necron flayed one hosts, etc.

But yes they have some stupid stuff too.

>>51445885
Hmm, hadn't considered them, but now you mention it that's means I can just go with my carry case if I dont have to log a serpent around.

>>51445908
>Skathach wraithknight is new
Ah yeah, completely forgot it existed, only eldar LoW i touch is the Avatar.

Are there any no-nos when it comes to designing a Space Marine chapter symbol? Any design or symbolisms I should avoid because they break cannon or whatnot?

>>51445559
>>51445592
Sorry, I didn't understand the rules for infantry in that you can only choose 1 weapon when shooting. And gunslinger special rule is a thing for pistols.

Also I am still new to this. That was a dumb question.

>>51445938
Other factions symbols.

>>51445949
how about a laurel leaf? Is that acceptable?

>>51445943

Yeah, you can take the plasma pistol + laspistol if you really want two guns, but that's 15 points for one AP2 shot per turn at 12" on a guy who is only BS3 and has abilities related to melee. Don't do it.

>>51445961
They have skulls, scythes, burning skulls and severed limbs on canons symbols, laurels only have the advantage of being a bitch to do.

>>51445943
There are no dumb questions, just obnoxious responses.

>>51445991
Will you make me a meme?

>>51445961

Nothing wrong with laurels, many chapters use them.

Even other chapter's symbols are acceptable to some degree if it's on the shoulderpad, as long as you paint them in colors that are clearly different than the canon chapter's colors. Look at how many chapters have a hawk head or talon as their symbol, for instance. Like real life heraldry, there are common charges, and you're not stealing someone else's heraldry if you have the same charge but a different color scheme.

What chapter aesthetic were you thinking about designing?

>>51446012
No?

>>51445897

>field any single given HQ from Triumvirate of the Imperium set against a Tau player
>Tau player immediately pulls out the Stormsurges

whats the fucking point of even buying these new products

>>51446066

Greyfax is not stormsurge-worthy, the other two are though

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>>51446066

>W-W-Why won't my opponent let me cheese?! It's not fair!

>>51446066
Why even play 40k?
No really not sarcasm, think about it why are you still doing it? Why continue to support this part of your life?

>>51445870
>>51445905
Oh, cool! How much points is a 10 man Ultramarines tac squad with Plasma gun, Power Sword, and Heavy Bolter? And what are the Ultramarines Chapter tactics?

>>51446096

because bolters make me happy

>>51445631
Probably around 20 minutes for really low effort things like cultists. For Marines and more detailed stuff I usually take an hour or two, and larger kits multiple.

>>51446149
I'd love to see some of your work.

>>51446098

That's 180 points, 190 if your sergeant is a veteran sergeant, you may as well give him a combi-weapon for the full 200.

Ultramarines Chapter Tactics = you get to use each of the combat doctrines once a game

>>51446098

Use the list builder in the OP.

https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marines(7E)#Chapter_Tactics

>>51445748
>>51445719
>>51445662
>>51445631
>>51446149

I need to find a formula whereby I can do an entire space marine minus head in 10-15 minutes of painting (not counting the time it takes to move stuff to prime). So far it seems to be

>prime the base color
>paint basic layers
>dipbrush the shit

>>51445614
B-but white and green were both Tommy.

>>51446012
Shutup Milhouse

>>51446182
Dang, I already built the sergeant with a pistol and sword. 190's closer to the 187 of the 8 man Raptors KdK team I built.

If you don't mind, could you post the Combat Doctrines and Tac Squad rules and statlines? I don't own C:SM, unfortunately.

>>51446175
Sadly I don't have any pics on me. I don't usually like showing it off anyway, since I get more self-conscious about things I'm otherwise satisfied with.

>>51445614
What about shining spears?

>>51446066
Heh, we got Tau players thinking of taking Triumvirate HQs, too.
http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25226

>>51446264

>he doesn't have the tactical squad rules memorized off the top of his head

repeat after me:
4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+

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>>51445750
>>51445684

Here's her WIP status right now. I'm currently doing leadbelcher coats where needed.

>>51446274
Don't know any seasons with 8 rangers.

>>51445811
>>51445853
What should I avoid adding in to my Mymeara list due to power level concerns? Do things become Okay at a certain powerlevel?

>>51446293
That's a statline, I mean the USRs of SM Tac squads and the Combat Doctrines, mate. I assume Vet Sergeants have 2A and Ld9, right?

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>>51446321

>>51446348

Main codex overpoweredness:
Windrider Jetbikes with max heavy weapons, Warp Spiders, Wraithguard, Wraithknights

Mymeara overpoweredness:
Warp Hunters, Skathach Wraithknights

>>51446321
Looks pretty good except for that gaudy hair.

>>51446182
Where can you find the chapter tactics? I've flicked through the SM and Dark Angels codex and didn't spot them, but not sure if I'm looking in the wrong spot or just missed them.

It'd be nice if it stood out as much as in the TL supplement.

>>51445280
The architect in me approves.

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>>51446382

>>51446388
I still need to get to it. That's just the basecoat. My friend wanted them with white hair.

>>51446387
Well if I'm bringing wraithguard what do I do to make them less op or do I just say fuck it and go balls to the walls cheese?

>>51446366

You are correct about the Veteran Sergeants.

Everything has And They Shall Know No Fear.

Combat Doctrines: Ultramarines get one of the following each once per game for one turn each:

Tacticals re-roll misses, everyone else re-rolls to hit of 1

Devastators re-roll misses shooting, everyone else re-rolls shooting to hit of 1

Assault Squads re-roll misses melee, everyone else re-rolls melee to hit of 1

(smurf players correct me if that's wrong)

>>51446382

>celestine: ego queen alexis edition

>>51446382

Better gay than gray.

>>51446348
Erh
Lynx is literally a Lord of War granted squadron and Heavy Support status
The Hornet is a nasty customer too, through less so without pulse lasers.
Wraithknights of all varieties are shunned.

Don't spam full hosts of Warp Spiders, Scatterlaser Windriders and D-schythe Wraithguards, moderation is key.

That's about it.

>>51446429
Just don't give them D-Scythes. With the regular Wraithcannons, their damage output isn't all that different from a unit of Fire Dragons.

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>>51445829
Not my best photo, don't have a lightbox, and the look better on the table then in your hand.

>>51446389

Chapter Tactics are in the SM codex, the rules section in the back iirc.

Dark Angels have their own chapter special rules unique to their codex, SM codex chapter tactics is an overarching rule to condense a bunch of different chapter special rules into one book.

>>51446424
Get better friends Interesting what are you washing it with?

>>51446439
Thanks mate!

>>51446441
That hurts, you know that?

>>51446464
you need to goatee that goatee

>>51446473
I can't decide if I want to thin down some Drakenhof Nightshade or Nuln oil with Lahmian Medium. Currently more towards Nuln oil.

>>51446444
>>51446460
Why are Dscythes cheese when they rely on flamer templates and are S4?

Is my codex out of date?
So wraith cannons are okay then? What about the CC wraith blades? Is there a weapon type I should avoid?

>>51446464
REALLY needs something to break the monotonous metal.

Weapon casings at least, maybe some armour trim too.

>>51446490
Noooo, that's such a small detail and I have shaky hands.

>>51446502
Your codex is out of date, they're D weapons now.

>>51446502
>S4
S:D
S4 is only for the purpose of Instant death.

>>51446512
Orginally I had the fatigues painted black, but I really didn't like the look of it since I was trying to emulate the look of the Stormwind Guards from Warcraft.

>>51446502

Your codex is out of date. In latest codex D-Scythes autowound/pen on a 3+ and each wound/pen becomes d3 wounds/pens.

What container do you people usually put your minis in to strip em?

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Is Slaanesh just magical realming for 40k?
Is this why she will be squatted?

Man I love playing Soulstorm with mods. I used to dislike Ultimate Apocalypse but it really grew on me, so much fucking choice.

>>51446571

?she's?? not about to be squatted

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>>51446485

>>51444992
>having a problem with wanting protection vehicles that can get wrecked by bolters

Is GW rushing the Gathering of the Storm book? They announced the next book while FoC was still fresh out of release.

Does this imply something? Desperation or are they rushing it along because something big is going be released.

>>51444545
I use Shadowsun and Commander together with 2 single fusions deepstriking. None of that buffmander shit though. Commander tanks for Shadowsun with Iridium Armour while she gives him Stealth, Shrouded and 3d6 jetpack.

4 BS5 fusion blasters will fuck up AV14 within melta range and you have both the mobility to get the fuck out of dodge and the defence to survive anything risky.

>>51446522
>>51446525
>>51446537

I suppose this is what I get for buying a codex in a third party store.

So wraithguns and not dscythes. E Z.

>>51446640
Also Puretide chip. Tank Hunters all day erry day.

>>51446634
My impression is they want it to feel like it's coming all at once, everything is going to hell together etc

>>51446634

Repeatedly said that this year is the 30th anniversary celebration of 40k so they want to make this a big event.

>implying Gathering storm is the only big release this year

>>51446611
Use cover like everyone else.

>>51446709
Well, yeah. Season 2 of AoS should start soon.

I've been waiting all day to get home and paint. All I've done is paint a fuckhuge axe, fill some knuckles in silver, finished brass trim on a dozer and washed some metal mesh.
I AM ALREADY BURNT OUT

I just want to get this Lord of Skulls finished for display

>>51446709
blood of kittens has the rumor that gathering storm will kick off a two year ending of times event, and finish with 8th edition

>>51446321
i don't know how the fuck you people paint so goddamn well but i'm mad jealous, my celestine looks nowhere near that good

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>>51446532
Pardon shitty shoop

>>51445631
10-20 hours to paint a marine

>>51445631
Ill get back to you when i paint my next gant

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>>51444493
The wings keep making me think of a giant fly, like Beelzebub, which would be fitting as fuck since Nurgle.

What are some good brushes that aren't terribly expensive?

I'm just getting into painting seriously and the ultra-cheapshit brushes I've got are definitely not going to cut it. I just can't drop $100+ all at once on a set of top-tier brushes, nor do I want to until I learn to care for them properly.

>>51445631
30-45 minutes per terminator or chaos space Marine.

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Ok I'm sad that basically this is the only SoB list that is rather functional at this point level.

Any further suggestions?

>>51446802
I can see myself adding that extra gun color, but my hand is too shaky for the stash.

>>51446888
Only did that one fer a laff anyways.

>>51446873
Someone remind me what's the final verdict on transports re-spawning with unit? Y/N?

>>51445631
Roughly 2-3 per Fire Warrior.

I don't REALLY enjoy painting though, to be fair. Hobby-wise I far prefer conversions/kitbashing. Painting also makes me very restless so I'm very easily distracted. I'd do an undercoat and go watch something for 10 minutes. Another layer, another 15 etc etc.

>>51446905
It was a good chuck, I won't change the armor trim to gold only on person preference.

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>>51446916
Yes as long they are dedicated transport for troops.

But since the fucks can die before the squads or viceversa you can end with squads respawning without transport or transports without squads.

List with more dakka for a bit higher points

>>51446923
Takes me three hours to paint one of my Fire Warriors, but I also fall into the trope of "Tau who don't like painting."

Perhaps I am simply /too/ autistic to want to spend that long painting a mini?

>>51446950

You have an easy 10 points to spend, yet.

Khorne Daemonkin or Word Bearers?

>>51446950

Also, I can totally field this minus the repressors and Coteaz as long as I use the old Celestine model.

>>51446950
Why haven't you spent those last 10 points though?

>>51446916
Yes. However, I believe that the rules dictate you have to leave a wrecked vehicle in place to count as difficult terrain from then on. That'd mean you'd need backup vehicles in case one gets wrecked and has to remain in place and respawn at the same time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>buy fall of cadia
>has like 5 pages of rules and the rest is pictures and stories
>the 5 pages of rules make constant references to codexes I don't own
>the triumvirate box came with rules for the new heroes anyways
im starting to feel like I got ripped off. good art work and stories at least.

>>51446464
buy a small detail brush and stuff like goatees will be easy

>>51446985
>>51447011
Beside 2 Storm Bolters for the exorcist I'm out of ideas.

Honestly I have no idea how it would work, neither does GW.

So I started a small force of LatD and since there seems to be a lot of /LostSouls/ lately, I want to ask what should I get next? Im going with Arch-Heretic Revolutionary, but all I have now is a RCS(5 models for now) and 2 squads of 10 vets, everyone in chimeras. I was thinking about a small platoon and then a wyvern/basilisk, but I dont really know.

>>51446964
I wouldn't call you autistic but you should strive to at least slather on a basic colourscheme. MY problem is just because I find painting in general tedious and I'm a perfectionist. I HAVe to try my best, which makes me take my sweetass time to do a tabletop standard paintjob. It's not because of Tau (Dare I say they're fucking easy to paint) as I have plenty of Chaos and a bit of other factions.

When you see something as a chore, your mind cannot focus and will look for any fucking reason to wander. If I'm trying to come up with ways to cobble together a mini from spare parts, I'm focused. When painting, even a noise off the street has me getting up to have a look. If it's not in you, you just have to accept that and find a way that works for you without leaving your minis as grey shit.

>>51446873
>No new cannoness
>Exorcists no where to be seen

It's like you don't want to precision A8 AP1 that specific model.

My LGS is now doing 20% off all GW products because since AOS hit sales have fallen by three quarters. I haven't played since 4th but I saw some people playing Kill Team, what is a nice GOES FAST army for that?

>>51446888
Fuck up faces until you can paint them. Seriously. In the future, you're going to find your earlier paintjobs shit anyway, so might as well use them as a learning experience.

>>51447078
Getting a 4+ save against weapon destroyed results is always good on an exorcist. You could also upgrade the retributor superior to a veteran for LD9, and I'm partial to melta bombs myself to discourage vehicles from coming close.

>>51447096
Craftworld Eldar go the most fast and hit the smashiest.

Dark Eldar are the fastest but have slightly fewer SPEED potential. But they also require you to have your dick out while you fight to assert dominance.

Should Renegades and Heretics be able to be promoted to Daemon Princes? If so, should it work in the same way as CSMs (winning challenges) or would some other method be more appropriate? Would alternative methods (like capturing objectives or destroying enemy units through various means) be available for Chaos Space Marines and/or Renegades and Heretics?

>>51447096
>get some ork bike
>paint them red
>???
>Fast

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>>51447019
I don't understand what you were expecting, or why.

>>51447137
I'd argue that any cultist who earned that much favor would be upgraded into a space marine or equivalent before a Daemon Prince.

>>51447130
>craftworld eldar get +3 to run and charge moves
>run shoot run
>engines that boost going flat out

>dark eldar get...

>>51447137
The Lost and the Damned shouldnt be able to become a DP for a reason that they are mostly about quantity, not about quality. Even though it might happen, and it happened, in the fluff, an odd Daemon Prince will just jump in to die without any support. Your army is full of shitty shooting and tarpits, a DP wouldnt have a place in there.

>>51447085
If you ain't doing huge platoons of respawning meat and more pie than a cake shop you're doing it wrong.

Might as well play stock IG with different paintjobs.

>>51447078

You could upgrade two troops to meltas, add melta bombs, put a loud hailer on something, Dozers on something else, add a combi to a sisters squad, ect

>>51447095

Exorcists are too unreliable for Veridyan., and that also means you're shooting infantry with your only long range anti tank.

However, Retributers are a good choice for Veridyan.

>>51447125
Oh I know, this isn't my first medicore paint job.

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>>51447141

>>51447175
Goddamnit anon, I just want to play my fluffy list. I dont like Master of the Horde, so no respawning goodies for me. Also, I`d rather give my platoon fanatic than MAYBE get them back. Also, I like melta vets in chimeras. Just tell me what to get next and I`ll be happy.

Anywhere I can find the kill team rules?

>>51447078
>Honestly I have no idea how it would work, neither does GW.
After some quick reading I found the following:

>A Wrecked vehicle is destroyed. If the vehicle was a Flyer in Zoom mode, it suffers a Crash and Burn! result (see the Vehicle Damage table). In any other circumstance, a Wrecked model is left in place, and is treated as a Citadel scenery model with the difficult terrain type.

However, a model that explodes IS removed from the table (I thought that in old editions you had to put a crater in place, but apparently not anymore). In other words, you need to bring spare transports if you want to have a wrecked vehicle respawn with flock to the front lines.

I am totally going to rules lawyer this should this happen to an opponent next tournament.

>>51447242
But that's just it, IG does meltavets in chimera *way* better.

>>51447146
Like I said I really like the artwork and stories, I mostly got it for collection purposes because Im the kind of person who likes that stuff on my shelves. but I definitely am not pleased with all the cross referencing of other codexes.

>>51444240
They operate in warbands
They contain non Sons marines
Often lead by sorcerers
Literally suck daemon dick

>>51447255
There's a killteam general on TG that has the rules pdf as the main file every thread.

>>51447264
I want to run 2 units of meltavets, thats it. After that I`d rather focus on more HERETICAL things. I mean, I`d maybe think about MotH if I didnt need 20 fucking boxes of guardsmen just to use it. And thats just 2 platoons.

>>51447170
Open topped dedicated transports in 2 flavors.

>>51446382
Shit. Do I make a My little Pony joke, an Adventure Time Joke, or a Rainbow Bright joke?

Either way, if your hoping for her to attract the enemy player's attention you have succeeded.

>>51447186
>Implying you can have exorcists or retributors but not both

Just FYI, Fires of Cyraxus has been canceled so GW can push Gathering Storm.

Playing at WW in March, with two eldar players on my team, and crons, deathwing, and ravenwing.

I play Tau, would I be right in thinking taking the item give interceptor be a good choice, intercepting with riptides and broadsides?

>>51447332
Whatever, wake up when Raid on Kastorel-Novem 2nd comes.

>>51447332
[citation needed]

>>51447085
Fill up your HS choices with Wyverns, field artillery and Rapiers. All preferably in units of 3 to get as much HS in your army as possible. Then get another CAD and add more HS.

If you aren't planning on running Fanatics or massive amounts of Enforces, a Small Daemon CAD or Formation to get a DoC Warlord is a good idea. The warpstorm table is quite good, although resolving it is somewhat of a hassle.

An Aegis Defense Line is something to consider once you get to a level where people start bringing flyers. Also depends on the amount of terrain you play with, can go from meh to amazing if it's the difference between no cover and an Aegis.

>>51446464
Not bad for 18 minutes per model

>>51447353
Some cunt on the internet.

>>51447306
Here's something else craftworlders get
>assault grenades

>>51447165
Can you become a CSM past the age of 30?

>>51447369
Thanks, I think I might try for a lighter grey on the fatigues, add a little more contrast.

>>51447390
sounds legit

>>51447369
Makes me wonder if Duncan is actually so fast that he does finish painting minis at the speed of the scene-wipe effect. It's just added in to allow us to think he's human.

>>51447288
Cheers, Is the thread up now? I'm not finding it.

>>51447361
Alright, I guess Wyverns will be easy to get, and rapiers arent TOO overcosted, even if I count in the 5 renegades I`ll have to add. The biggerst problem is the field artillery, but I may just pass or get a basilisk.

Im retarded and dont know what DoC means, sorry. I suppose Daemon of Chaos? But I dont think I`ll be getting any of those, not a big fan od daemons.


And I shall get an aegis, most boards in my LGS are short on terrain and I need some cover saves for my traitor guardsmen.


Thanks my dude.

>>51447401
Chaos can do a lot of stuff. If I recall, there's one story where a cultist murdered the Chaos Lord of the army in his tent, stole his armor, then went out onto the battlefield. Khorne gave her enough booms that apparently nobody could tell the difference.

Also, Warp smiths are often brains in jars with mechanical replacements on par with marines.

That's why I said marine or equivalent

>>51447423
Sometimes when it screen wipes and it comes back he will have painted something entirely different than i thought on the model and i freak out a bit. Also anyone seen his new tutorial on making Salamander skin. Seemed less black than i thought it was going to be.