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>>51442721
>or compatible with 5e or Pathfinder

>>51442721
>perfect record of human history destroyed because an insecure cum dumpster
Fuck Korra she is only good for cocks sleeve.

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>>51442741
Hey, it's fun. I don't judge your choice of *insert obscue 7d3 drop the lowest -4 system here*, don't judge mine

>>51442721
I'd use OVA or Valor, they're keyed to anime ideas already and let you do all the bullshit you need to do with no compromises or having to awkwardly repurpose other games' mechanics.

>>51442750
100% agreed. I prefer to pretend that she didn't exist.

>>51442721
Aaaagh! They were MAKING a Avatar RPG on a brand new system once upon a time... then ran out of money or interest or something.

Good I would love to see some of the design notes...

>>51442721

Personally, I still maintain Fate is one of the best systems for an Avatar game.

Mostly because it's more freeform, and combat is designed around either doing damage or creating advantages/disadvantages. Part of why the bending battles in the show were so entertaining was because they were as much about the combatants' creativity as their actual skill. It's literally about using the environment against one another. This is a lot easier to convey when you have baseline "Bending" rolls coupled with stunts to represent specific abilities like redirecting lightning or Aang's air scooter. Bending was never meant as something you should abstract into spells per day.

Fate is also good because it doesn't really have caster supremacy, which lets whoever wants to play the Sokka character not get thrown to the sidelines. Sokka did have some issues keeping up with the rest of the team, but he he also had a lot of skill in areas which mean jack dick in a 3.5 or 5e system.

>>51443400
Fate would definitely be a good choice. There's also a pbta hack called Legend of the Elements floating around that seems like it would be pretty good

>>51443151
Oh man, the feels...
Huh? No, not about two lives well-lived; about the fact she lived long enough to be in the shitty sequel.

>>51443806

The other issue I realized D&D has is it's got a heavy focus on acquiring and using magic items. Which are not really a thing in the Avatar shows. The closest you ever really get to something like that is Sokka's space sword, and that was a +3 weapon at best. And he got it near the very end.

I think I've heard of Legend of the Elements. Weren't there a couple threads on it a long time ago?

>>51442750
Wait, when did that happen?

>>51443951

In Season 2, Korra somehow managed to get herself in a situation where the bad guy was able to physically destroy her inner Avatar spirit. She gets it back, but it became impossible for her to ever communicate with her past lives.

>>51444006
Ah, that's what I thought you were talking about, but I wasn't sure.

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>>51443837
I found this literally like 2 hours ago today. Hope its good.

>>51443951
When the retarded "Spirit of good" asspull parasite that was apparently living inside her and every other avatar but no one bothered to mention it till now gets bitch slapped.

But man, the fact that that fight erased the past avatars is a pretty fucking apt metaphor for the ruination that Korra's shitty plot inflicted on the series.

Jesus christ this is a show for kids that finished years ago and I am STILL mad.

>>51444019

Honestly the it wasn't totally her fault. But at the same time the revelation the Avatar was just a human soul merged with a Lawful Good Vorlon was really lame.

I've been seeing a few mentions of Valor (>>51443020 and in a few other threads) and googling brought up someone building Batman in it. Seems pretty solid with a very uncomplicated core dice mechanic ([d10 + mod] vs. [d10 + mod]). A bit crunch heavy, ESPECIALLY in character creation, but once you start playing it's straightforward stuff--basic addition and subtraction. Very strong emphasis on character building. An AtLA campaign would be a fun use of it, I think. I might convince my usual group to give it a shot.

If not that, then Fate or Fate Accelerated

Strike! could possibly do it. It even has an AtlA-like mini setting-seed thing in the core book.

Only if you like your combats tactical though.

>>51443400

I can see the value in Fate but IMO the lack of a strong combat system kinda undermines it. In something like Avatar, the fights were central to the storytelling, so while the narrative focus makes sense the fights themselves lacking mechanical weight would seem a downside.

It's why I prefer Legends of the Wulin as a suggestion. It's the best high action combat system of any RPG, as well as being a unique blend of crunchy mechanics and narrative sensibilities.

The downside is that the books is an awfully edited clusterfuck, but if you can get past that the game is really damn good.

>>51444740

I agree Fate needs a but more substance to really capture the Avatar feel. But abstracting bending combat into crunchier rules is a tricky undertaking though. The bending techniques aren't abilities out of a spell book. Even specific moves were something a bender incorporated into his form rather than just doing it itself.

Basically, for good bending mechanics the system needs to treat bending like a martial art instead of magic.

>>51445023

This is why I recommend Legends of the Wulin. It's the best martial arts RPG out there (IMO, anyway), and it has the right amount of looseness in its approach to things. Techniques can be fluffed in many different ways and the core system gives you a lot of default options you can use to represent various minor Bending tricks.

>>51445023
There are a lot of "specific" bending techniques (the squid thing for water benders, Aang's air-orb riding thing) and a lot of benders use signature styles, like Ba Sing Se secret service using the earth-gloves, or Combustionman.

>>51445088

Like I said, most of those are special moves the benders incorporate into their forms.

It's not like a Katara ever pulled out her spellbook and cast her 4th Level Water Whip, with only two left for the day. That's what I'm getting at.

>>51445409
Oh right. I just thought you meant there are no set techniques; which on some level is true I guess, but yeah, no vancian casting (if anything, the vancian casters would be the non-benders who use equipment that has ammo and other consumables).

>>51445453
>Vancian mechanics for objects and tools
That'd be a fun way to represent a tinkerer/engineer sort of character.

>>51442721
Legends Of The Wulin ftw.

>>51442721
>>51442741
Unfortunately PF already sort of has that with the Kineticist Class.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-classes/kineticist
I say unfortunately because while the class was obviously inspired by those shows they don't really function at all like Avatar benders and the class generally sucks.

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>>51445470
Yeah, one of the reasons I like effects based systems is that you can just grab a wizard and refluff it as an eccentric tinkerer dude.

Magician for example could be the inventor who's prepared, but with limited resources (star), the inventive improvisational type (chaos), or the crazy self destructive type (blood).

How would you guys deal with enemy variety? Just use different nations and mix the bending styles or would you include spirits aswell? Also how would you do it in say Legend of the Wulin?

>>51442721
One of my buddies ran a game (set pre-ATLA) using Reign and it worked pretty well. It has been a while since I thought about it but I believe the mundane martial arts components of various elemental styles were Martial Paths with fluffed effects (the reason the attack has +1 width is because your fist is on fire) while the blatantly magical effects (I can fuckin' fly) were Schools of Magic.

One thing I really liked was that since Martial Paths were roughly balanced against each other he could easily do antagonists who had a Martial Path that wasn't bending and still be dangerous.

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>>51444054

So would Sokka be a Warrior or a Scholar?

>>51444054
I'm running a campaign in this system, it does work very well

>>51446614
he'd start off as a warrior and either take a bunch of scholar abilities as advancements, or switch playbooks entirely

>>51446705

But his martial prowess never really declines. In fact he only gets better, especially when he learns swordfighting.

I know Sokka as a person is a total outlier in his own universe but it's still fun to try try assigning character classes to him.

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>>51446540
Let's see what we have to work with. There's your garden variety bender(fire/earth/water/air), those that have learned a few more tricks like lightning, blood, healing and lava. We've still got swordsmen and archers. Chi-blockers are always fun and the shock-gloves are pretty useful. There's even not!space-marines, not!titans and a watered down version of jedi if you wanna go there. Last, we have spirits that can come in any shape and have some pretty trippy powers.

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>>51446747

>Playing in Korra times

>>51446747
Who're the Jedis? I get the rest is from LoK and i'm not really keen on the mecha stuff. I also feel like humans in different flavours may get a little samey.

You wouldn't happen to have some good ideas for spirits would you? I can say i really liked Hundun from the video game, so i guess something like that would be pretty great, but i think i would have to refluff the spirits from LoK a lot to use them.

>>51446843

Don't forget the Avatar world has a large plethora of weird and aggressive animals the players could run into. Including dragons, depending on when you set the game.

I don't know what the "Jedi" he's talking about are.

>>51446741
>But his martial prowess never really declines
mechanically why would it, when you switch classes you keep anything still relevant from your old one, and as a scholar he could still take warrior or hunter moves with his advancements

>>51443238
One of the old Avatar homebrews, as far as I can tell, has decided to up and make an unlicensed Avatar MMO instead. So it's basically guaranteed dead in the water.

>>51446944

>Avatar MMO

Yeah nothing quite says "Avatar" like a bunch of teenagers calling me a no-skill faggot in a global chat

>>51446823
Playing in Korra times, BUT, the Equalists assassinate Korra before she arrives.

>>51447030

Egh, I'm still not a big fan of the Korra era. It looks cool yeah, but I found the quasi-medieval Asian aesthetic of the original series much more appealing.

Also the mech suits and the fucking giant robot were dumb.

>>51447153
Those never need to happen. You could also put it immediately after Liberty city's founding

>>51447201

>You could also put it immediately after Liberty city's founding

Then you've got adult Aang running around.

Honestly, I still maintain the Hundred Years' War is the best setting for an Avatar game, partly for that reason. Any large-scale issue facing the players would undoubtedly catch the Avatar's attention. And unless he is a kid like Aang or a fuck-up like Korra, there's not going to really be anything the players can bring to bear either for him or against him.

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>>51442879
>Hey, it's fun. I don't judge your choice of *insert obscue 7d3 drop the lowest -4 system here*, don't judge mine
I'm sorry you appear to be lost, this is a place crated for the sloe purpose of discussion and critique of each other's choice and preferences in tabletop fun so if you don't mind PF is shit and 5e is shit for this I will now dump the supplementary material for >>51444054 because my patience and charity knows no limit.

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>>51447340

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>>51447365

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>>51447378

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>>51447405

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>>51446843
>>51446857
>Humans and higher animals have the potential to become deeply connected to one another, thus enabling Pathik, Huu, Aang, and potentially others to locate living beings out of sight and detect their thoughts and emotions by tapping into their chi.
From the wiki.

Basically, by studying chi and chakras, which is an energy that surrounds us and binds us, one can learn to connect with others and the universe. Chi-blockers are taking the first few steps in truly studying it and you can always expand from there.

As to playing in korra times, just have it be a few avatars later. If you're worried abut tech being too advanced, remember that 4 portals into the spirit realm were opened and who knows what the fuck kind of consequences this will have on the physical rules of nature after a few decades.

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>>51447437
Look at that there's even a rulebook in singles format if you prefer to read it that way.

>>51447451

That's not exclusive to chi-blockers though. Chi-blocking is just another martial arts technique.

Part of what Pathik and Huu tried to teach Aang is everything being connected is a fact, not a belief. And anyone can theoretically tap into that. It's more Daoism/Buddhism and less "study".

>>51447487
Didn't mean to imply only chi-blockers can do it, only that to be able to chi-block, they'd have to start learning about chi and chakras and such. Same for water benders that are learning to heal with their bending. They just need to start focusing that training inwards, on their own minds and bodies.

>>51447451
For my game I went back, like really far back and just ripped off the Romance of the Three Earth Kingdoms and a bunch of classic-is era stuff.

As for the Avatar I just killed him, really if you're angling to take over the world the 1st thing you want to do is put that fuck in a cell or a coffin so that's what Water Caesar did.

>>51447612

>really if you're angling to take over the world the 1st thing you want to do is put that fuck in a cell or a coffin

Even then one of those options is much more viable than the other. I see Water Ceasar wasn't very forward-thinking.

>>51447612
I go for a future avatar losing their minds and creating a massive, oppressive empire and reshaping large swaths of land because, why not? At some point, plucky rebels rise up, raise an army and siege the stronghold. Cue huge explosion that rocks both the physical and spiritual worlds, and rewrites even more geography. Fast-forward a few centuries and you've got myriad kingdoms and city-states doting the land, warring with each other. Both worlds are closer than ever, physics isn't exactly what it used to be, spirits roam the land and the avatar hasn't been seen since. Also knights wearing power armor, because why the fuck not.

>>51447612
> Romance of the Three Earth Kingdoms

I love it.

I like the idea of using China as a setting instead of the Earth of the Avatar series, which is minuscule. China is made up of three Earth Kingdoms, Japan and the Chinese-controlled islands (such as Taiwan) are Water Tribe, Fire Nation could either be to the north (where Mongolia is supposed to be) or the south (Burma/Laos/Vietnam) or both. Air Nomads are true nomads, and China/Tibet have enough verticality for some scenic Air Temple locations.

It also opens up the possibility of different kinds of threats, strange magicks from the west, iron men on iron horses, that kind of thing, to really shake up the dynamic.

>>51447645
You say that but his blew him up in Avatar State and didn't really plan on having a world for him to come back to if he just regular killed him.

All of book one was the party getting framed for the hit and fleeing everyone until they got his spirit back together with one eventually becoming the new Avatar thus fucking with the cycle to fix it.

>>51446692
Can you offer any details or advice about running the system? I'm looking through the rulebook now, and it seems like a simple enough system to run, but I'm getting the sense that I'm missing something.

>>51448768
Rolling should not be as common as you're used to, more thing twist and change round the outcome of a single roll in this system.

>>51442721
I like to pretend that anything past the end of the original show is non-canon. That includes the comics.

>tfw Zuko apparently cucks Sokka

>>51448832

> That includes the comics.

Especially the comics. Basically just fanfiction given a green light from producers.

Does anyone wanna try and get a session going? There seems to be enough interest.

>>51448855
I'll be putting together a game on Roll20 some time in the near future, I need an in-between game while I flesh out my 5e setting. I just need a few days to do a quick write-up and I'll put it up in the Gamefinder thread.

>>51448891
Got a discord? Would love to talk about it and what it'll be about.

>>51442721
I saw one for like 4e ages ago

dunno if its shit or not

>>51442721
So, if there is a session can we all assume Korra is non-canon in-universe fanfiction?

>>51447266
The first solution to that is to stop throwing your players into large-scale problems. The second is to remember that the Avatar always needs people working with them, since being in multiple places (or solving problems that can't be solved with overwhelming force) is not one of their gifts.

That said the absolute best era to run a game, especially if you're trying to avoid Avatar interference, is immediately following an Avatar's death. Which gives you about 16 years before the next one begins dominating current events.

>>51447266
We could play it during the 100 year war and have Aang have been killed?

Our best option is honestly an alternate universe.

Maybe play it far in the future and disregard Korra? So no liberity city or dumb shit like that.

>>51449973

> Which gives you about 16 years before the next one begins dominating current events.

Yes and no. Even before the Avatar is revealed, the world is impacted by him. Most of the world's major players have a vested interest in the Avatar and his agenda, and shrewd leaders and groups will work as early as possible so they're not caught off guard. Probably the most dramatic example is Sozin wiping out the Airbenders in anticipation of the next Avatar's arrival.

Granted, this is a pretty interesting environment for a game. Everyone's waiting and looking for the Avatar, and that alters the social and political environments for the players.

>>51450134

Why does Aang have to be killed? It's not like the world as it exists in AtLA only came into that form the moment he came back into the world. You have a hundred years of time where the world more or less looked like it did in the show.

>>51450160
We can assume that Aang is still frozen, sure. Not sure how that'd impact things in this new reality.

The time of Avatar Kyoshi is a good option, because she lived to be like... 200.

i use a modified qin: the warring states+ shaolin and wudang to play an avatar the last airbender rpg

>>51452974
>Avatar Kyoshi
The most no-nonsense avatar we know of, who will shut you down hard and permanently if you threaten the peace.

>>51453090

Fortunately, the world is a big place and the Avatar is only one person.

I too don't much like the idea of playing in a timeframe where the Avatar could feasibly show up, but at the same time they only ever seem to focus on the world's big threats. If player character actions are kept on a small scale, then most likely they'll go their whole lives without ever encountering the Avatar.

Really it seems the only way to attract the Avatar's attention is waging destructive wars. Or messing with the spirits.

Man yeah Korra was a bit dumb but I liked her, and this is only 40% because her design makes my dick so fucking rock hard I can't think straight

>>51453147
Couldn't we play in a setting where the avatar is grievously injured and has to go into hiding? Maybe have the plot be about the different factions trying to find him?

>>51453179
I felt the same about Asami. But we must not let our dicks make us forget what a god awful sequel Korra was and how badly it defiled the lore and setting.

>>51453179

Korra's design was top notch, which is pretty standard for both shows. though I really didn't like the design of the spirits in LoK

Honestly Korra wasn't a bad character at first. It wasn't until around the end of Season 2 I started getting annoyed with her, because by that point it was obvious she was never going to change or learn any kind of real lesson. Aang went through a lot of growth throughout his show. Korra didn't. Aang also had a strong moral foundation, which Korra also lacked. She was basically just a weapon the writers pointed at each season's villain. There was no substance to her. She would've worked great as a supporting character. But as the Hero? She fell flat on her ass.

>>51453212
There was great potential to be mined in the tale of the warlike avatar stuck in the middle of peace, if she had fucking learned a single goddamn thing. Fucking Finn from Adventure Time gets better and deeper characterization than she did.

>>51453212
I hated her all the way through, especially with how she took her airbending training.

Tenzin was the one good thing about the show and Korra was never truly humble about her training.

And yeah, spirits look fucking stupid in LoK. And giant mechs? Fucking really? BENDING LIQUID METAL?

>>51453321
The use and then overuse of plotinum was pretty bad too.

>>51453361
It was so stupid, the entire thing. You can tell they lost the good writers.

I especially hate the fucking retcon as to why the avatar exists and what it is. Not even Lucas fucked up that bad.

>>51453466

Which is weird because Beginnings was still the best part of the show. It just would've worked better as a short film with no connection to the franchise.

Before Korra, I'd always figured the Avatar had its genesis in an ancient, shapeless spirit of the world as a whole. Basically a spiritual personification of the show's meta-them about how separation is an illusion.

The revelation it all boils down to a spirit of Lawful Good felt really out of place.

>>51453212
So first season ok and don't bother with the rest of them?

>>51453361
Not just that, but also the way that metalbending turned into some kind of magic magnet power really irked me. Earthbenders have to worry about momentum, waterbenders need to consider it at the very least, but metalbenders? They can throw a person around by a tiny piece of metal attached to their wrist like it's nothing. This gets especially bad in the last season.

>>51453321
At least there's the rape porn.

>>51453513
The art style of the Beginnings was good, yes, and it'd make for an alright wuxia tale. But it was shallow and didn't grasp concepts that the show previously established.

Like how all bending was originally one thing, and that the nations learned their individual styles via careful observation. The revelation that lion turtles just gave it to them? Stupid.

Not to mention it doesn't even get it's own "yin/yang" symbology in regards to Raava and Vaatu, since it boiled it down to WHITE GOOD BLACK BAD.

Even simple stuff like getting yin being female aligned and yang being male aligned was ignored for it.

If they wanted to explore another layer of that they could've dealt with wuji, the infinity that yin and yang comes from. That'd be a great way to establish the origin of the avatar spirit.

>>51453550

First season is okay.

Season 2 starts strong then takes a hard nose dive.

Watch Season 3 for a menacing bad guy and a really good look into the spiritual philosophies behind airbending.

Season 4 is just as bad as Season 2.

>>51453555
It's stupid, because metal bending worked via bending the earth fragments within metal. You don't ACTUALLY bend the metal.

You have shit like them bending liquid metal near the end, lava bending, etc. It's all so goddamn stupid.

Another pet peeve of mine? The harmonic convergence. Korra's idea to try and merge the spirit and physical world was bad enough, but the harmonic convergence would've made a lot more sense of it were the air acolytes that got airbending. Hell, remember those guys that were using mechanical gliders at the northern air temple? Aang even says they're like airbenders. Why wouldn't THEY get the bending, instead of a bunch of random earth nation guys?

>>51453597
season 3 is honestly the best.

still not as good as any season of TLA though

>>51453550
The problem for me is that when the show bothers to figure out what it wants to talk about, what it wants to evoke from the audience, it chickens out not even halfway through and butchers the message into an unrecognizable, self-defeating mess. You just can't help but to smell the cowardice coming from the creators.

>>51453597
>>51453550

First season is wasted potential. It had cool ideas like the equalists, bender crime syndicates, gang warfare, etc but it completely mishandled them for a stupid plot twist and a forced love triangle.

Not only that, but another problem with LoK as a whole is that most of the fights suck ass. They seriously boil down to element punching, almost literally in Korra's case.

>>51453676
Take away any depth and subtlety there could have been to the bender/nonbender issue as well as all the beauty there was to bending, add in a useless sport and horrible love triangle(that diminished everyone involved), top it off with some Deus Cry Machina and you've got the first season.

>>51453663
I thought it was made by the same people who made the Last Airbender.

>>51453721
The ones who weren't involved either had a very important hand in giving us The Last Airbender or the creators of Korra bought into their own hype and faceplanted when confronted with the complicated questions they raised in Legend of Korra and the subtlety necessary to even come close to answering them (if even possible). They took the cowards way out every fucking time.

>>51453597
The villains of season 3 are a great concept that are absolutely wasted. They're not even properly explored or explained beyond "Hurr durr true white lotus"

>>51453718
God, the bender/non-bender divide was such a good idea. But we never actually see the benders oppressing anyone like they apparently are, not to mention we never hear about anything like qi blocking schools that you'd think would be important.

I thought they were building Amon up to be a supreme qi bender, but nope, they did the stupidest goddamn thing possible with it.

>>51453797
Which is a shame. Zaheer was pretty cool in how he twisted the airbender teachings, but the rest of his crew kinda sucked.

Nothing will ever top the "Dark Avatar" in terms of sheer stupidity.

>>51453771
Could had been they where not expecting to do more then one season or what you suggested with the important one's missing.

>>51454229
>Could had been they where not expecting to do more then one season
They were not and planned around one season.
The thing is, they only had one season with AtLA, but they wrote for three and they got it because people were hooked in.
Korra was poorly planned, no wonder the last season didn't even get a proper run on telly.

>>51454229
>>51454260
They knew they had one season to work with and that season kinda sucked. No one forced them to tackle the issues they decided to tackle in Korra season one. Plenty of shows have handled themselves better with less episodes and heavier subject matter. They knew they might only have one season and fucked the pacing. They decided to make the whole equalist thing the focus of season one and chickened out not even halfway through. They pandered to the shippers and made everyone in that godforsaken triangle look bad. They just kept giving us shit we never asked for while dragging everything under.

>>51454383
And to make matters worse, they didn't learn from any of their mistakes throughout it.
I would honestly have preferred they had done nothing after the final episode of AtLA.
No comics, no games, nothing.

Why can't good things just end anymore?
There always has to be this extra thing, then that, then a new series or a reboot or a recap-of-the-first-season-with-poorly-casted-actors movie.
I don't understand why good things can't be left as-is.

>>51453550
Season 1 is ok I guess...
Season 3 really is ATLA-level, the villains are just perfect and there's more of Aang's children which is always nice.
Season 2 is pure garbage and Season 4, though it has some good stuff is just Season 1-level.

>>51448768
due to the way combat works one succesful hit from the players can take down any NPC, as such the only way to make fights interesting is to deny them the chance for that one hit, mobile enemies who need to be pinned down, enemies with a solid defense to break through, large groups of enemies. Getting around those will require your players to do stuff other than attack which will make sure the fights aren't over instantly and make them more interesting to.

on a more specific note: how strong waterbenders are depends on whether or not there is nearby water supply, when there is there a bit OP, when there isn't they're kinda weak. Having a game with waterbenders in it means the places fights take place should be a good mix of the two to keep things balanced.

>>51453845
I'm kind of annoyed we never got a flashback of Zaheer fighting before getting airbending

>>51454485
>I'm kind of annoyed we never got a flashback of Zaheer fighting before getting airbending
I'm annoyed the Red Lotus wasn't a 2-3 season plotline incorporating the spirit world shenanigans.
Zaheer and his homies were fuckin ace.

>>51454383
To be fair plenty of shows have handled themselves just as bad if not worse as well.
>>51454415
I think we all know why they can't let a good thing end; the moment you do end it is when money stops coming in and you need to come up with something new. To be fair here as well the series left open enough questions when it ended that comic's could fill.

>>51454521
This. They and the Equalists would have made such good multi-season enemies.

>>51454665
Even two seasons each would have been great.
Equalists would have made for good intro "villains" especially if Amon wasn't just a waterbender if they'd been fleshed out over time, rather than being crammed into and resolved in one season.

As for the Red Lotus, they'd make a good Ozai replacement as BBEG, but again, one season is far too limiting a timeframe, also factoring in Korra's seasons having less episodes than AtLA.

>>51454735
What would have made it great to have all of them around for most of the show (at the same time even) is that LoK kinda explored political ideals clashing, with the Equalists being a stand in for communism, the Red Lotus being anarchists, Earth Kingdom being a monarchy, and earth bitch being a fascist (with liberty city being the designated democracy).

It could have explored different forms of governments and ideals clashing. Korra being caught in a 5 way power struggle, and having to choose who to support, and coming to terms with how they all have a point that is worth listening to, and possibly incorporate into Liberty City's democratic process, even if on the surface they are all antagonistic.

>>51454863
What baffles me most about all of this, is that these threads, regardless of board, always have better ideas that what they went with, like the one you posted.

>>51454863
Also, Korra should have went through an arc around the end of the first season where she realizes she can't just punch problems away.

Fuck, just have her defeat Amon, then an episode or two later, Equalists are still around, they have a new leader, and now they also have a martyr. Have her realize the reason Equalists exist isn't Amon, it's because being a non bender in LC fucking sucks with bending triad around (and even without it, your options are way more limited). Hell, have a few benders join the Equalists, because with Amon gone, their powers are not in danger anymore, and the anti bender idea turned more to pro non-bender.

>>51454884
They didn't have the time. Doesn't make the results any less bad but...

>>51454914
>They didn't have the time.
Didn't stop them with AtLA.
They wrote for three seasons, they got three seasons.
They wound up with 4 for Korra, but half-assed it the whole way through.

>>51454485
How do airbenders stack up?

>>51454581
But everything past the show is awful. The comics are awful, the movie is awful, Korra is awful.

Fuck, I'll take the movie over Korra because at least the movie gave us the rad version of the airbender tattoo.

>>51454863
I think the Equalists are more anarchist than communist. Maybe libertarian? I dunno. Their "equal" thing doesn't seem to be about class, give, who is bankrolling them.

>>51454914
Honestly I'd have Amon be a fucking revolutionary chi blocker. Maybe have him actually have studied with the lion turtle and applied the energy bending knowledge to it. Having a villain that can fight benders toe-to-toe would be awesome.

Fuck, the setting even has the perfect long ranged chi blocking weapon: chopsticks!

>>51454954
>How do airbenders stack up?
So the stat which governs airbending also governs talking things through and meditating to solve problems. Similarly the effects of airbending are basically to increase the mobility and to control their opponents' positioning (keep people at a distance, blow them around, etc) which means they have a lot of freedom to maneuver around the battlefield. This winds up making their optimal tactic: try and talk things through, if that fails run away, then meditate until you come up with a solution.

There is a variation of this once they unlock the mastery move (every class has a special ability which unlocks when they train with a master), the airbending one is that when they Move With Intention (the move for maneuvering in a fight) the next thing they do uses the stat they use for airbending, this means that suddenly airbend-move with intention-attack becomes a really good combination, giving them an option for offense as well as the above

>>51455037
That sounds kind of depressingly shitty for most of the game. Especially since airbenders are portrayed as rather kick ass in ATLA.

>>51455060
>Especially since airbenders are portrayed as rather kick ass in ATLA
worth remembering that Aang is a master airbender, also I said that they're better at talking and meditating than fighting, not that they suck at fighting, I'd actually say that airbending might be the strongest of the -bending moves

>>51455069
I know Aang is a master airbender, but we see Tenzin's kids kick ass and that was before Jinora was a master. Hell, Meelo is like 7.

Huh, so how does that work? Is it because their bending moves don't really do much damage wise, or that they don't scale well with the stats?

And regarding waterbending being OP/UP, what do you do if they pull a Katara and carry water with them?

>>51455113
>what do you do if they pull a Katara and carry water with them?
On this note, what if someone wants to tear water out of plants, the air or hell, even people's bodies?
What about bloodbending?

>>51455136
Or the clouds?

I don't think bloodbenders can tear water out of people though, can they?

>>51455113
>Huh, so how does that work? Is it because their bending moves don't really do much damage wise, or that they don't scale well with the stats?
The different bending moves have different uses, water is the most generic it's just 'when you manipulate water...', then fire is 'when you attack using fire...', earth is 'when you manipulate the terrain...', and air is 'when you manipulate air to control the area...'
so only fire and water are directly used for damage, air and earth just use the combat move (it can be fluffed as using air or earth but mechanically it's still a separate thing) meaning that while a good water/firebender is automatically good at attacking an air/earthbender has to be good at bending and attacking separately (at least until air get their mastery thing)
so it's an offensive/defensive split, earth and air are really good at stopping their opponents doing shit, water and fire are really good at going on the aggressive but are more liable to take hits in the process
>And regarding waterbending being OP/UP, what do you do if they pull a Katara and carry water with them?
that's the default assumption, they carry a limited supply of water, when they bend they choose between making it more powerful and conserving their supply, conserve it and their move becomes easily the weakest of the four, don't and you run the risk of losing all your water

>>51455136
>>51455143
there's a move for that, if taken then they can spend chi (reasonably important resource) to treat any environment as having ample water supply for one scene

as for bloodbending there's a move for that so yes it's an option

>>51447938
>Japan not being the fire tribe
Nigga what are you doing, Japan is OBVIOUSLY the fire tribe you twat. Water tribe is vietnam and thailand, earth is china like you said, and tibet is obviously air.

Like... how can you fuck this up so badly.

Mongols don't get bending powers, they're the vanilla fighter threat, hence the great fucking earth wall.

>>51455204
>>51455236

I see. Sounds fun, since I wanted to make a beefy airbender.

Doesn't their mastery render their combat skills redundant?

>>51455253
None of them are that clear cut. Fire nation is Japan mixed with high society imperial China. Earth tribe is ancient China mixed with Korea and even some old west style influence.

Air tribe is a mix of Tibetan monks, Shaolin monks and even some minor Mongolian influences. Plus they seem to be ethnically white.

Water tribe is obviously inuit and native american designed, but they have chinese elements and even some ethnic siberian tones.

It's all a mish mash, is my point.

>>51455254
>Doesn't their mastery render their combat skills redundant?
stats have more than one use so those skills still have other uses, also their mastery move only applies after a succesful Move With Intention, so if you just want to airblast someone without doing a wallrun or something first then you're still relying on your combat skills

>>51455301
Ah, sounds neat. Man, we really need to get a group together. Anyone reading this wanna DM?

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>>51455253
> Not wanting firebending Mongols tearing over the countryside, burning everything from horseback

>>51455389
>not thinking airbender archers on flying bison aren't cooler

Also.
>Avatar
>horses

>>51455418
If using China as a replacement setting I'd imagine that regular animals would be in, but y'know, also with Sky Bison.

>>51455418
>Horses
Horseducks! Or even horsegeese.

>>51455451
What is it in ATLA? Ostrich horses?

>>51455463
It's all kinds of weird shit, but mostly ostrich horses.

>>51455445
Personally I'd take influence but keep the setting. The fucked up chimeras are half the fun.

>>51455473
>Personally I'd take influence but keep the setting. The fucked up chimeras are half the fun.

If using LotE and every player has a potential animal companion, there could be some interesting ideas thrown around. I don't know if I have the right sort of creativity for these hybridisations, but some of my regular players will take the idea and run with it

>>51455517
There's stuff on the wiki. I like the idea of everyone having an animal companion, since that was pretty much how it was in the show.

Even Sokka had Hawky for like four episodes.

>>51443151
>literally nothing about Sokka in LoK
That's the real tragedy

>>51447030
Playing in Korra times, but the Equalists are still around after Amon because literally nobody defeated their arguments.
Fuck, Amon being a Bender manipulating them all just proves their point.

>>51455551
Well, we know from the comics that Suki left him because she wanted Zuko.

So odds are he never reproduced and died alone. What a great fate for a beloved character!

Don't forget making Toph a total skank! And Aang a terrible father!

>>51453845
Here's an idea: Vaatu manages to separate himself from Rava at Korra's death, and puts himself into someone else at the same time Rava does.
Now this guy is fighting to not listen to the devil on his shoulder.

>>51455570
I'm honestly okay with those other things though. Shit like that happens.

>>51455286
Waiting for island waterbenders with haka that create crashing waves

>>51455322
I would, although since I'm british they players would need to be in a close enough time zone (or just willing to play at really weird times)

>>51455619
Well, there's already hillbilly swamp benders.

>>51455591
I say we just pretend Vaatu and Ravaa never existed. Have it to a stupid scientific theory cooked up by someone in-universe. Maybe have the whole Korra storyline be a series of pulpy novelscrolls.

>>51455627
How weird we talking? For reference it's 6:32 AM here.

>>51455668
>How weird we talking? For reference it's 6:32 AM here
well if you're 7 hours behind then since I can play at about 1900 you'd be gaming at midday, which could be alright

>>51455813
Works for me.

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>>51455570
>Well, we know from the comics that Suki left him because she wanted Zuko.

I knew the series after the end of the first show was shit, but my God I didn't realize just how bad it got.

>>51455668
>let's just ignore canon material
Always the weakest option, in my opinion

>>51455890
Not if the canon material is shit.

>>51455890
Not when it is retarded. Although tuning it into something better would be better. But sometimes you can't do anything besides chopping off a rotten part.

>>51455953
How about an Avatar who has to deal with things on his own because Korra's not a very good spiritual guide and can only suggest violence?
/co/ had an idea for an Earth Kingdom avatar who was a sandbender in the Si Wong Desert that didn't really care for the outside world and the entire "first season" was New Guy's Quest to Give a Shit, and all the new nations (after the post-Korra balkanization) are gunning to influence him in some way

>>51456058
Is that Avatar supposed to be a player? cause you'll need a true masochist for such a role.

>>51456082
Nah it was a "let's 'make' the next series" project deal, not a game. Like one of the first things we had decided on was that we were still beholden to Standards and Practices, so we couldn't do, say, "glassbending" (firebending heating sand) because that would cause bleeding and we can't have that in a Christian manga. It was TMNT rules, basically: blunt force trauma is fine, but edged weapons never cut organic targets.
For a game, I would always always always restrict the Avatar to NPC. No one player should have all that power.

>>51455567
Their arguments were dumb, and Amon's solutions even dumber. Knowing the truth, the equalists should have to ve desiluded at best, and suiciders at worst.

>>51455551
We know he became judge.

>>51455354
I ran through this, and it's actually pretty okay. There are even hybrids to cover all your bases.

The classes aren't mechanically that interesting (although earth benders' ability to directly protect allies instead of marking is pretty new), but it covers most bases. Would rather not comment on balance.

>>51455846

It's like the people who wrote those comics actively want to undo everyone's character development.

>>51455890
Ignoring the Vaatu/Raava thing is like ignoring midichlorians. It's the only way to preserve what made the story interesting.

>>51442879
5e and Pathfinder are both terrible bases for a game based on Avatar.

>>51456704

I'm not sure if he was an actual judicial official or if he was a member of Republic City's council. IIRC they handled things like that as well.

Honestly, serving as a statesman and ambassador for the Southern Water Tribe seems right up Sokka's alley.

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>>51455570
I considered reading those comics. Now I am considering otherwise.

Toph X Sokka is OTP. I will not repent.

>>51458498

>I considered reading those comics. Now I am considering otherwise.

Those weird chibi vignettes they did early in the third season have better writing and substance than the comics.

>Toph X Sokka is OTP

Zero romantic chemistry.

>>51458520
>>51458498
In LoK, one of Toph's grandchildren was very Sokka-like. Dunno if just for the joke, or if there's an implication there though.

>>51448848
How is that different from any other written material

>>51453090
>The most no-nonsense avatar
Kyoshi was the most isolationist, Yangchen was the most no nonsense

>>51458584

As in the comics actually read like the writers were elevated internet randos who until that point wrote AtLA fan fiction.

Honestly they reminded me a lot of the cringier stuff from the Star Wars EU. Lots of great character development undone because the writers wanted to play around with their poor understandings of Zuko and Aang some more.

>>51458545
I think that was just an accident desu, thought it is true we never got the fathers name. The other father was some guy named Kanto.

>>51455890
The problem is that the canon is inconsistent and doesn't make sense if you listen to all of it. In ATLA the avatar power came from the spirit of the earth or the cosmos or whatever. It was pretty non-specific. What was clear, however, is that it didn't come from inside him, hence the whole "Chakra opening to receive cosmic energy" thing. I mean, for fuck sake, they even screwed up the origins of bending; which was pretty fucking explicitly stated in ATLA before Wang and his retarded adventures.

>>51458707
I wouldn't say it was all that explicit in Atla, it was just that people studied animals/the moon and evolved their energy bending into elemental bending, we still didn't know how they got the original bending to begin with. That said it still doesn't work with Wans story since that one explicity states bending originates from Lion Turtles, and atleast four different lion turtles at that.

>>51458520
>Zero Romantic Chemistry

They had more chemistry together than Suki and sokka. Or Zuko and Mai. Out of everyone in the Gaang they got along the best together because they were both sarcastic, usually easy going, and had somewhat flexible morals; unlike the uptight and moralistic Katara and Aang.

Not to mention she clearly had a crush on him.

It actually had more build up than the lesbian shit between Korra and "my life is suffering" Salami.

>>51455813
>>51455827
ok we have a GM an one player, any other takers?

>>51458759

>They had more chemistry together than Suki and sokka

You mean the person responsible for a good chunk of Sokka's character development?

Toph's crush on Sokka was fairly evident, but he never once shows any interest in her. Remember Toph also seemed to crush on Zuko as well at the end.

The only real "moment" Sokka and Toph ever had was Sokka explaining to her why she should lay off his sister. Sokka had more romantic build up with fucking Ty Lee than he ever had with Top.

>It actually had more build up than the lesbian shit between Korra and "my life is suffering" Salami.
Toph/Sokka had zero build-up, but that shit had less than zero build-up.

>>51458746
But it DOES explicitly say it came from them. Remember the "Cave of the two Lovers"? It specifically said that the FIRST two earthbenders were the lovers who learned via the badgermoles. And when zuko and aang go off to learn fire bending from the sun warriors, the warriors explicitly state that the first fire was given to man by dragons, who taught them to fire bend. Aang even says the first airbenders were airbison.

Now, you could argue that those are myths and that bending is actually some weird genetic thing since it actually seems to run in families and be divided by race as opposed to, say, being something that anyone can learn like the stories seem to imply.

Either way it doesn't mesh with what Wan's story.

>>51458840
Don't forget water benders learning from the Koi.

>>51458840

>bending is actually some weird genetic thing

It's not. At least not in totality. Bryke actually did say Sokka could have been a waterbender but his natural skepticism kept him from ever developing it.

As for how bending came to be, I'm willing to believe it was these special animals passing on particular forms of bending energy. I think the original mythos was in a more ancient time people were much more in tune with the universe's cosmic energy. But then the "illusion of separation" meta-theme began seeping in, and the world started taking on the patterns you see in the show. The Avatar is some kind of hold-over from the world's earliest years, before all that.

At least that's how I always imagined it.

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>>51458838
Ok, what we should say is that SOKKA had no build up towards toph but toph had plenty towards sokka.

Suki and Sokka had characterization and shit together but that only came AFTER they ended up together. THey just suddenly liked each other. Which I guess is what they did with Sokka and his Moon lady fling but eh.

Really only Aang and Katara have true romantic buildup.

Toph still best girl, I will fight you.

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>>51459007
To be honest Sokka was a total pussy magnet, you can really have him end up with just about anyone and make it work.

>>51458840
I'm just basing it on the lion turtle in atla saying they bend the energy within themselves before the Avatar. Could still work with the myths since those could have learned to earth/fire/waterbend from their respective sources, i was just saying we don't know the origin of energy bending.

And yeah either way Lionturtles granting people super powers doesn't fit with any of it.

>>51459040
I would like to point out that if Sokka ever went to stay on Kyoshi after the war there's no way Ty Lee didn't screw him

>>51458838
>Sokka had more romantic build up with fucking Ty Lee than he ever had with Top.
They would've made a cute couple.

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>>51459007

>Suki and Sokka had characterization and shit together but that only came AFTER they ended up together.

Eh, yes and no. Suki was the source of Sokka's first real character development. She was basically the reason he grew past his early-series sexism. Later on she did admit she had something of a crush on him when they first met, but that was after he displayed some genuine humility and respect.

Thing to remember is Sokka is charismatic and authentic. Two traits women generally really like in men. So it's not much of surprise girls tend to fall for him pretty quickly.

>>51459137
Nah, I think Sokka's something of a monogamist. When disguised as a Kyoshi warrior, Ty Lee started hitting on him and he just uncomfortably reminded her he was with Suki.

>>51459264
Probably but I'm glad they didn't go all out with that. Her flirty attitude towards him was funny but an actual romance between them would've been corny as fuck.

>>51459326
>Probably but I'm glad they didn't go all out with that. Her flirty attitude towards him was funny but an actual romance between them would've been corny as fuck.
But that would be hilarious.

>>51459914

I would have, but adding in a romantic arc where Ty Lee chooses between Sokka and her friends would have seriously bloated Season 3. There was already so much going on. They didn't set themselves up for it and it would've just felt a little forced.

>>51444054
The only reason I watched that show is to see what became of ATLA's main cast. I dropped like a bag of flaming shit after they did this. IMO it was going pretty good after season one. I didn't develop a seething hate for it until the S2 finale.

That being said, I haven't lost hope. I'm praying to god that they decide to run a new show set in between TLA and LOK if they ever do decide to keep milking the cash cow

>>51460015
It will always be shit until they get an actual writer in. See, the progression of the series is very much like the progression of the starwars franchise.

Bryke, like Lucus, thought of the original idea and world, but basically all the heavy lifting in terms of characters, world and story came from other writers. Check out the credits to ATLA and you can see that almost all the writing came from one or two guys with some cooperation with the show creators. However, much like with SW, once the original series was a success all the credit went to the creators and they became massively conceited and got rid of anyone who challenged them. Korra was lacking many of the major writers from the first season and Bryke (or at least one of the pair) are the main writers on many many episodes.

At this point we just have to wait for cartoon network to buy the rights and then pump out a buttload of uninspired nostalgia bait.

>>51460015
I wish i had the hope you do, but they way the LoK Comics are going they just confirmed what i feared would happen, so to me the franchise is lost in Brykes hands.

>>51460152
The ATLA comics were terrible, and they were based off a good show.

>>51460216
I agree, but they weren't written by Bryke, they're just approved by them. LoK comics are written by Mike directly.

>>51460246
Maybe they're mostly just idea wise.

>>51460296
idea guys?

>>51460296
Maybe but that would be a good reason to take it out of their hands and give the reigns to someone else who can incorporate their ideas if he wants to, instead of them having full creative control and make another LoK.

Unfortunately, the way it is going Avatar is stuck with Bryke making comics about post-Korra times until they get bored of it (allready happened actually) and it gets forgotten by everyone. I doubt Nick is going to sell the rights to anyone else, and i doubt many would be interested in buying them anyway.

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>>51455570
>So odds are he never reproduced and died alone
I always saw a lot of Sokka in myself. Guess we're more alike than I initially thought.

>>51460355
Korra as a series and a character strike me as a creator's pet for Bryke.

They don't get that we don't like it.

>>51460246

>LoK comics are written by Mike directly.

Which is weird because Mike actually wrote some of the best episodes of AtLA.

I'd always figured Bryan was the less inspired writer of the two as he outright admitted his favorite parts are the cheesy teen romance.

>>51460417
He wrote them WITH other people. Not alone.

>>51460415
Oh i like Korra, but i don't like how the world reacts to her and how she seems to luck into a solution every season.

>>51460417
Either way he is writing Bryans teen romance continuation with the comics, i have no hope they will turn out good.

>>51460489
I like the IDEA of Korra, but she's an awful character and really unlikable. Only moreso because she KEEPS BEING RIGHT and nobody really calls her out on her shit.

Like UNLEASHING KOH ON THE GENERAL POPULACE. Even a sufficiently angry panda spirit was enough to terrorize a city.

>>51460489

>Oh i like Korra, but i don't like how the world reacts to her and how she seems to luck into a solution every season.

I still maintain Korra would have been phenominal as a supporting character. Sort of like the show's new Zuko or Toph. But as the Avatar she just didn't work.

My favorite part was right at the end, where fucking Tenzin comes up to her and tells her she's accomplished more in three years than most Avatars do in their whole lives. Which felt really weird coming from the guy whose dad was one of the single most accomplished Avatars in history.

>>51460489
>I like Korra

Literally why.
She's a dumbass marry sue who consistently bullshits her way out of things via bad writing.

>>51460551
I like a strong, overconfident and impatient character that is not too knowledgable about the world. With a duty forced upon them that they gladly accept but have to try and find their own place in the world and an identity outside just their job.

I think Korra lives up to all that, but since the world just bends over backwards to make her right and throw solutions to every problem at her we don't really get the pay off to any of it. So i like Korra the character, but dislike how the world and writers treated her, because they didn't use any of the things i liked about her. Truly a waste of great potential.

>>51460542
You forget that in Korra they buttfucked the spirit world into a realm of generic cartoony anime fursonas who don't give a shit about anything. The only thing that came of her opening up a gateway to another dimension full of elder things was some overgrown places and a sidekick for jinora.

Oh and fem-hitler's death star robot made of platinum JESUS CHRIST THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THIS SERIES.

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>>51460623
>I like a strong, overconfident and impatient character that is not too knowledgable about the world. With a duty forced upon them that they gladly accept but have to try and find their own place in the world

We've seen it before.

>>51460623
But she never develops beyond being a vapid cunt. That's the problem: prideful and impatient characters are supposed to LEARN HUMILITY AND PATIENCE.

>>51460629
It's fucking stupid because things like Koh still must exist, so I guess that's a bunch of deaths on her hands.

And yeah, the mech was so fucking dumb. As were the rapid tech advances, considering ATLA was barely bordering on steam punk.

>>51460677
Yeah Toph was great too. Though i feel like Toph was a bit more cynical, while Korra was more enthusiatic and "happy" compared to toph. Atleast for the first 4 episodes, after that she felt different, especially during book 2 and 4.

I guess it just comes down to personal taste and what we focus on.

>>51460723
I don't consider her to be a vapid cunt. Thought i agree she didn't learn humility and patience, but for me thats a problem with the writers and show, not the character.

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>>51460542
>>51460723
Koh is absolutely one of the most underrated villains of the whole thing, and I was sure that the bridge to the spirit world being opened would lead to a Koh subplot.

>>51460837
What shame that outside of that episode his only appearance was in some comic that revealed that he is a literal motherfucker.

>>51460748
Its a problem with her character because her character was unrepentant vapid cunt that everyone loves for no reason and who gets everything handed to her or is the result of luck.

>>51460837

>"We'll meet again, Avatar"
>Never meet again

I don't think Koh would've worked as an actual villain, but I definitely would've liked to see him again.

>>51461143
to be fair, him and the avatar are both immortal, then meeting again is highly likely

>>51461143
I always assumed Koh meant they cross paths every six or seven cycles.

>>51461167
>>51461187

That's why it would've been cool if he met Korra.

>>51461299
Korra would've gotten her face stolen easy.

>>51461332
Aang had the big benefit of having been a zen-Buddhist monk.

>>51461749
And have being 12.

So, session anyone?

>>51461876
Well, depends: which system?

...wait, no it doesn't, I don't have time for another game right now.

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>>51455846
>>51457681
>>51455570
>Well, we know from the comics that Suki left him because she wanted Zuko.
That didn't actually happen. It's just that Suki became Zuko's bodyguard and Zuko has way better chemistry with her than his actual girlfriend/ex, which is why people ship them.

>>51455551
>literally nothing about Sokka in LoK
>That's the real tragedy
He was the Water Tribe representative for Republic City, became chief of the Southern Water Tribe, and was part of the group that took down the Red Lotus the first time.

What about we try to come up with some Adventure hooks for Avatar games? I'll try starting with a few.

>A farming community has lost livestock and crops to a strange sickness. Some farmers explain that the spirit(s) have left and that the village is cursed, others blame some strange travelers living nearby.

>The Historical department of Ba Sing Se has started hiring travelers and adventurers to find artifacts and scrolls regarding acient bending societies. They are currently funding an expedition to the firenation isles to research the Sun Warriors and their culture.

Not very original i guess, but hopefully it can get us going.

>>51462083
> There are bandits in the hills, you've been asked to get rid of them

A lot of standard fantasy tropes will translate just as well to an Avatar game.

>>51452974
Only because the creators forgot about the Avatar before her and were too stubborn to admit they were wrong.

>>51453090
>The most no-nonsense avatar we know of, who will shut you down hard and permanently if you threaten the peace.
tired of this meme

>>51453361
>>51453614
>lava bending
Existed in the original

>liquid metal autism
It's kung fu magic.

>>51453640
I'd say 3 is better than Book 1 of Avatar. There were a lot of mediocre episodes that people handwave away because of Korra hate/worldbuilding.

>>51462155

>tired of this meme

Not really a meme. People do often overstate Kyoshi's heavy-handedness but she was definitely the harshest Avatar we know of.

>>51444055
Yeah the whole thing was layer upon layer of lame. Even the whole humans living on turtles thing was riddiculous. And the first avatar was a douchey guy who just got lucky. The good vs evil spirit thing also shits all over the ying-yang theme that was developed in AtlA.

>>51455890
Dude, you totally can.
It's like ignoring the eight season of Scrubs.

>>51463449
I meant ninth. My bad.
I had already erased it mid-sentence.

>>51463048

AtLA presents the Avatar as sort of the world's check against both humanity and the spirits. Whenever one or both threatens the balance, he's supposed to intervene.

But after LoK, I just don't know what's supposed to be going on. It really is best to just disregard the series.

>>51464114
LoK ruined everything.

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>>51460392

>is the only supporting member of the Gaang who didn't survive
>only moment we see of him is Yakone hurling his ass around with blood bending
>if he even had children or grandchildren, none of them show up ever
>Katara is the only one who ever talks about him and even then it's just to remind audience he's dead
>Aang, Zuko, and Toph all got statues. Sokka gets nothing
>Fanbase cares more about pushing the imaginary love triangle between Zuko, Katara, and Aang than they ever will about Sokka's life

The guy's entire life was never getting the same recognition as his friends

And thirty years later the guy was still chipper enough to brag about his boomerang.

>>51466097
Of course-- it's the only thing that kept coming back to him.

>>51454884
A large number of people will without fail stumble upon something better than two guys.

>>51458798
I'd take up on that. (In GMT.)

>>51458623
>elevated internet randos
Like Bryke themselves then?

>>51460551
By no metric can Korra be considered a mary sue, she loses every important fight and is always cleaning up after her own failures.

>>51462243
>she was definitely the harshest Avatar we know of.
Yangchen was such of fucking terror of an Avatar that Kuruk who followed her lived like a frat boy his whole life because no one would start shit.

Kyoshi isn't remotely heavy handed. She only interacts with Chin the Conqueror when he comes to her village and she doesn't even bother to fight him she just turns her hometown into an island and he dies accidentally. With the rebellion in Ba Sing Se she also doesn't give a fuck and only intervene's when the Earth King gets desperate enough to fuck with her and even then she just trains some people and then fucks off again.

>>51466893

Korra is a weird subversion of a Mary Sue where she constantly fails but everyone around her pretends she doesn't.

>>51466955
>and even then she just trains some people and then fucks off again
You mean the Dai Li, aka the Earth Gestapo

>>51466893
What makes a mary sue so annoying is the obnoxious fact that the universe will bend over backwards to make the sue's life easier and justify it's worldview. Sure, one of the most common forms of that is by having the sue win every single fight ever, but that's just a symptom. The sue lives in a universe that sucks their narrative dick and makes a show of doing so. Another way this can manifest is by having everyone the sue likes be good (no matter what actions they take) and everyone who's mean to them be unrepentant scum.

>>51443400

I've been overhauling Fantasy Flight Games Edge of the Empire for my Avatar Homebrew.

Let's get a discord together for when this thread inevitably 404's?

What weapons do each bending style suit best?

>>51470061

Airbending has the staff, obviously.

Zuko had his swords but I don't recall him using them in conjunction with fire.

We see an Earthbender swing a pair of hammers around.

Tai Chi, the basis for waterbending, actually does incorporate the use of staves, spears, and straight swords like what Sokka used.

>>51442721
Savage World's has an Avatar fan book.

>>51442750
>>51444006
>>51444019
I'm not sure I'd really hold it against Korra that she didn't smack Vato or whatever his name was around, she was the first Avatar to face a that thing in 10000 years and the only other Avatar being the first guy, and even he fucked up hard and everyone died.

>>51446614
A warrior scolar.

>>51470100
Well, I mean aside from the obvious. I imagine earthbenders could get a lot of mileage out of a meteor hammer, and I imagine airbending jells well with a guan dao.

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>>51470200
well Bagua (which airbending is based on) does make use of swords like this pic here (simply enough called a bagua sword)

>>51470399
Looks like a really oversized dao to me.

I'll admit Bagua is a style I'm not terribly versed in. Can't separate my toes.

>>51470399
The bagua dao is not a combat weapon, it is a training tool. The idea is to master the motions at a slow pace with an oversized sword so that when you switch over to a proper sword you have the motions down and your body can handle the weight easily.

>>51462040
He has no legacy and no children, which is how you measure impact in stories like this.

>>51462083
>Get back Sokka's sword.

>>51470114
Which is in French, I hope you speak it!

The Savagepedia one is utter shit.

>>51461764
Twelve year olds are known for their poker faces

>>51466097
Literally all he talks about in his brief scene is just reminiscing about the old days.

>>51466097
>The guy's entire life was never getting the same recognition as his friends
Equalists should have rallied around him as their symbol. Notice he's the only nonbender in your post.
Man, what if Amon had been Sokka?

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>>51474042
>Literally all he talks about in his brief scene is just reminiscing about the old days.

>Hey everyone, remember back when my friends thought I mattered?
>Neither do I


>>51474141
>Man, what if Amon had been Sokka?

Would have been retarded and a slap to the face of the previous franchise. Even by LoK's standards.

I make jokes about how Sokka was the low guy on the totem poll, but it's important to note he never really thought he was a waste. Even though he could get a little mopey at times, he was always totally committed to his friends and what they stood for. There's no way he'd become an actual terrorist committed to tearing down everything his family built.

Besides, there's a good chance he and Bumi II bonded like crazy over their normie status.

>>51474685
>Hey everyone, remember back when my friends thought I mattered?
>Neither do I
Please. It wasn't even that.
It was reminicscing about benders. It was during Yakone's trial. Someone said that the idea of bloodbending without the full moon power boost was impossible. Sokka gets up and says "bro I killed a man who was firebending at me WITH HIS MIND"

>>51474738

It's just a joke, Anon.

I still find that scene funny though. Mostly because it reveals Sokka's one true love will always be Boomerang.

>>51474812
Well, Suki left him to try and fuck Zuko, so...

>>51475104
>first romance option gets turned into the moon
>second one lefts him for a scarred monarch
>third sacrificed herself for the greater good

Guess that his only successful romantic relationship ended up being with his right hand.

>>51474141
>Man, what if Amon had been Sokka?

Sokka's Master is the episode that single-handedly debunks everything the Equalists stood for. Go figure.

>>51475482
>Sokka's Master is the episode that single-handedly debunks everything the Equalists stood for. Go figure.
What do you mean?

>>51475447
Who was the third?

>>51475525

Not him but it plays up the idea non-benders are every bit as capable of unlocking insane potential as benders. Mastery isn't restricted to people who can throw fireballs around

A key theme in the series is tribalism is a lie people tell themselves. The Equalists were honestly just as bad as the Fire Nation in terms of pushing a segregationist narrative.

>>51475595
>A key theme in the series is tribalism is a lie people tell themselves.
Funny, considering the politics of the creators

So what's up with Avatar and fathers?

>>51475525
Exactly this >>51475595

>>51475591
The boomerang.

>>51475591
>>51475863
Nah, boomerang came back.
Space sword left and never returned.

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>>51475788

Ancient narrative element found in literature for most of human history.

Turns out our parents have a huge affect on us, regardless if they actually did anything or if we just made it all up.

I never liked how people took Bumi, Kya, and Tenzin's exchanges to mean Aang was a shit father. It's pretty obvious he was just a little distracted. Which is understandable given he was juggling the responsibilities of parenthood, rebuilding a dead civilization, and being the Avatar. We should take what his children said with a grain of salt, especially since children are probably the most unreliable narrators you can find regarding their parents.

>>51475895
Yeah but they're all portrayed as bad.
Pretty much the only one the audience isn't supposed to be mad at was Hakoda.

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>>51475933

Does Wang Fire count as a dad we're supposed to like?

>>51475895
>especially since children are probably the most unreliable narrators you can find regarding their parents.
I'm reminded of two different bits from Christopher Titus. From the "Norman Rockwell is Burning" special:
>My father never missed a drink, or a smoke, or a chance to get laid.
>He also never missed a car payment, or a house payment.
>And I never went hungry, although sometimes he did so I wouldn't have to.
Then either Love is Evol or Neverlution, a self-help guru got him to realize that his father didn't spend all his savings and most of his cash on custody battle fees because he hated him.

>>51475788
Being an avatar isn't a 9 to 5 gig and you don't get week-ends off. Kids will never be able to wrap their heads around that fact.

>>51476063
>>51475895
>implying it's just Aang
Ozai Azulon Iroh Hakoda Mr. Beifong the Machinist Mr. Sato Korra's dad Eska and Desna's father Yakone

>>51476134
Bataar Sr was a cool dad tho. Irrelevant, but cool.

>>51476134
Yeah, that's just Bryke's daddy issues coming up. That aside, it would take very mature and level-headed kids to understand the role their avatar parent has to play and that missing birthdays and important events is just gonna be a fact of life. Especially so for an avatar that has to handle the fallout of a hundred year war and the founding of a new city, among very many other things.

>>51476134

Iron and Hakoda aren't examples of father's the audience is supposed to dislike. They're presented as complex people who had more going on in their lives than just their children. Both were loving and responsible fathers.

>>51463048
I liked the Avatar Wan stories a lot.
As ridiculous as that world was in some ways, it was miles ahead of the world in the Korra era.
Bending just became mundane as hell in LOK, which could have been dealt with in an interesting way, but instead just was lame as fuck.

>>51476328
Probending was a mistake. Not only did it reduce bending to fighting, but it muted the movements that allowed for such great animation before

>>51476374
Not just that but all the laborers shooting lightning and the entire police department being metalbenders.
Fucking lavabending.

That shit just went too far

>>51476440
gee earthbenders
how come you get to have TWO advanced bending arts
Honestly I was cool with metalbending and lightning becoming more commonplace. There's no reason why lightning wasn't available to average firebenders beyond the royal family keeping it secret, and Toph had literally just invented it. Why wouldn't she teach it?

>>51476491
I'd have preferred advanced arts to remain rare and have more people use basic bending in a non-combat role; explorethe finer art of bending being lost to the world in some ways.
I think that would have gone well with the equalist arc

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>>51476374
>Probending

At the beginning, it was supposed to be a lot more intense. Pic related was the original idea. But then they cut this because muh equalist drama or something.

>>51476763
That's not just more intense, that's straight-up changing the rules.
Earthbenders can no longer affect terrain, which is LITERALLY THEIR STRENGTH

>>51462040
>Way better chemistry with her then his actual girlfriend
Kids today do not understand goth couples.
Seriously, Zuko and Mai are the cutest Drow ever.

>>51466097
...The sword never fucking shows back up, does it?
Complete fucking waste of a series...

>>51477125

Eh, I never really bought Zuko's relationship with Mei.

I could understand her interest in him, but the whole thing kind of felt like he just went with her because she was the only girl around who liked him.

He had a lot more chemistry with that Earth Kingdom girl he met in Tales of Ba Sing Se.

>>51443020
Tried OVA.

Couldn't handle breath of fire, or FMA type effects and characters. Determined it's just another generic RPG with anime art.

>>51442721
Has a better option been suggested than GURPS or LoW or FATE?

>>51442721
M&M, if you dont dislike its game mechanics in play.

>>51477156

In some fairness, his sword was just a sword.

Its material was unique and it had a lot of significance to him personally. But it would've contributed nothing to any of the characters. Except maybe as a memento for Katara.

>>51453550
Watch Season 3. It's easily the best.

>>51442750
Although I got triggered by the homo acceptance agenda that show pushed, you can hardly blame korra for that fight, considering what she was fighting against.

>>51468768
Can you share please?

>>51477439
>>51477439
http://is2.4chan.org/tg/1485629402560.pdf

We just need to get a group together.

>>51444723
They went a bit too deep with that serial-number file imo...

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>>51476491
I can agree on metal bending, since it seemed to be primarily a harder type of earth bending with the added difficulty of no one knowing how it could even be done.

But Lightning in Atla is something else entirely. Just look at the episode where Iroh teaches it to Zuko. It requires focus and stillness of mind to even go off properly, no way a group of random joe smoes can do that, and in a factory setting no less.

I gotta say though that i found Lavabending really interesting but Bolin got it too easy. It also kinda steps on the toes of firebending being really hot and all.

>>51478488
I think it makes sense that the techniques became more widely accessible; we also don't know if maybe the guys in the factory using lightning aren't using a weaker/non combative technique.

Bolin getting lavabending just like that was an asspull, but it sorta makes sense because of his mixed heritage maybe?

>>51478538

Might also have something to do with the spirit fuckery which gave a bunch of randos Airbending.

>>51478538
I don't see why heritage would have anything to do with it. I don't think any other sub-bending style was a mix of different elements so i don't see why Lavabending would be.

The thing about Lightning bending just seems to be that it isn't something that would become much more common place just because of accessabilty, it is said to require some pretty intense self reflection and control of your own mind. It's almost like some high level meditation, it would take a lot of training and time to get right and no amount of sciencing would help with that. And it's not like those lightning benders are especially focused or spiritual or anything, Mako is a street kid and they all make decent, but not amazing money from the job. You'd expect such a difficult and rare skill to atleast pay well but it doesn't.

>>51478648
About that...why did it give it to earth nations primarily? Wouldn't it have made much more sense to give it to the guys with the gliders living in the air temple? Aang even says they remind him of airbenders.

>>51478970
Earth benders are like chinese. They are by far the most numerous.

>>51478970
Tenzin went to the Northern Air Temple, and guess what? There was no-one fucking there, they all died off or left a generation ago.

I'd wager that it was just a random luck-of-the-draw among all non-benders, and because of the sheer size and population, surprise, surprise, most of those random few turned out to be earth kingdom civilians.

>>51478970
There's pretty much no explanation as to why or how that happened other than Bryke thinking it was cool and them wanting to give korra a feat that is legendary.

>>51479033
It gave it to non-benders, though.

>>51479070
God that's stupid. I had thought they'd rediscover airbending. But I guess Korra was the series that made it damn clear that bending was genetic, even though that's retarded.

>>51479070
>There was no-one fucking there, they all died off or left a generation ago.
But why doe?

No really the whole episode with them was about Aang letting go of his preconceptions of who could squat in his culture now that they were all dead, it felt really obvious that he would go back there and rebuilt the art or they would discover it themselves.

>>51479498
It was almost like the writers forgot that they existed, there was no mention at all of them during the Korra seasons.

>>51479071
> Bryke thinking it was cool and them wanting to give korra a feat that is legendary.

That last part is really weird, considering none of that was because of any real action on Korra's part. The harmonic convergence was going to happen with and without her, and all she did was decide to leave the gate open because humans "lost touch".

my personal head canon is she had no idea how to close it so just announced it was intentional to save face

>>51442721
5E has the Storm Sorcerer, Wot4E and Sun Soul monks that are pretty avatar.

>>51480157
Oh i agree with you on that, but seeing as everyone seems to be giving her credit for it i think that was Brykes intention.

>>51476491
>>51478488
Rules for lightning are inconsistent even in ATLA. Azula is off her rocker and she still can lightning bend.

I'll argue that water is more OP since they've got a fuckton more specialties.

>healing (how does manipulating water let you heal wounds like magic)
>plantbending
>bloodbending
>spiritbending somehow

>>51478538
>Bolin getting lavabending just like that was an asspull, but it sorta makes sense because of his mixed heritage maybe?
Lava isn't fire+earth, it's just molten earth.

I didn't think it was THAT much of an asshole. He did fight with Ghazan a bunch of times, and even when he could lavabend, he still was barely keeping up with Ghazan until Mako helped out.

It's not as bad as Katara instantly being better at bloodbending than Hama.

>>51482526
>every type gets suptypes
>except air

Fuck you, Bryke.

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> Thread slipping into the abyss

Adios, muchachos.

>>51482940
It's not too late, my friend.

We can still get a group together.

>>51483095
There'll be another thread, no doubt, and I'll probably throw something up on Gamefinder as soon as I've done some prep.

>>51467146
They weren't the Earth Gestapo when she trained them.

>>51478488
>It requires focus and stillness of mind
No it doesn't, Azula does it on screen in the middle of a nervous breakdown. Maybe if the royals had spent less time keeping it a secret someone would have discovered the easy way earlier.

>>51483205
Got a link to a discord or something? Might be cool to chat it out with people and hammer shit out.