Warhammer Fantasy General

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First for Someone Picked Up the Rights to WFRP

http://grimandperilous.com/?p=1058

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Are there any cultural things that you wish the setting had included more direct allusions to, to put things like !notFrance and !notGermany politely?

If a new edition of WFRP is released, what do you want to see.

>>51417856
Cool. I hope it wont turn out to be AoS.

>>51418012
Cubicle 7 did The One Ring and a lot of Call of Cthulhu stuff. And they have T.S. Luikart.
I'm sure it will be fine. GW keeps their licensees on a tight leash anyway.

>>51418085
Well, if someone who wasn't GW was writing the fluff for AoS maybe it wouldn't be as bad as it is?

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>>51417856
A glimmer of hope.

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Can I get some pics of Ulric worshipers?

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>>51418530

anyone know what the green pirate guy is named? or if they have his picture

>>51417553
This remains my single favorite piece of fantasy art.

>>51418012

Now there's a scary thought. Who would want to Role-play in that mess?

Here's hoping they leave the special dice at home this time.

>>51419579
Well, 3rd was a complete and categorical failure, and dice-jewing is mostly FFG's thing. Still, I'm concerned they'll make some faggy d20 thing.

>>51419579
I'm guessing half the reason WFRP was picked up was because GW wasn't interested in licencing AoS out as a roleplaying game.

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check out my stones lads

>>51419727

More likely they offered it and nobody bit.

If they had a brain they'd tie it in with the models. I know models aren't to everyone's liking but D&D's seem to sell alright and it might help to bring some people over from the wargame.

>>51420491
Nice, what's it for?

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>>51421028
thanks anon, its for a tonk and a spawn collectively, spawns barely begun but he will be standing on the large rock

>>51421305
Why would a steam tank be in an urban setting? Seems like a place that would restrict it's value.

>>51421305

Nice. You're a brave man using spawns.

>>51421697

It would but if your entire army is based for an Empire city, having one model on a grass base will look weird.

In Vermintide the streets of even a smallish Empire town seem to be quite wide though.

This probably isn't the right place to ask but does anyone have a copy of Dragons Rampant fantasy skirmish rules?

>>51417874
I wanted a Kislev army again.

(But not fucking "warbear" cavalry. Maybe one war bear ridden by the Tsar or Tsarina)

>>51421697
as anon says here
>>51421697

also it would fit thematically for an army on parade, or an army on defence of a city (where do you think the steam tanks live) or just traveling along a cobblestone major road between nuln and the imperial engineers school.
But I get where you are coming from.

>>51421787
thanks anon, I need one for the eye of the gods tables I believe, I'm not sure how much I'll use it but I'll damn well make sure I include it at least sometimes

>>51422116
If there's one thing I hate, it's themed mounts.

It's such low-hanging fruit to give, say, Ulricans giant wolves to ride, or Bears for Kislevites or White Lions for Chracians or Demigryphs for Empire. It's that thinking that gave us those fucking wolf cavalry and the chariot for Space Wolves in 40k.

Now, as it happens, I quite like the Demigryph design, because they're original to a degree. And the White Lion chariot at least isn't cavalry.
But man if bear cavalry don't get my goat.

>>51422116

Give him/her a bear as a loyal pet with a 'look-out-master' roll or something.

>>51422228

I think it gets cringey when they'll ride anything with four legs. Having the odd strange creature per faction is fine, it's when they're riding them. Bears generally don't like to be ridden but can be loyal companions in very rare circumstances.

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>>51422116
It was cool with Tzar Boris because, not only was his model pretty sweet and actually made the bear look big and awesome, but there was a fair bit of backstory to his relationship with the bear. He had to fight it, and then with it, and after his death the bear is still rumored to be hunting his enemies. It was unique to him - as far as I know, the Tzarina rides a horse, and at best some people can train bears for combat, but not as mounts.

But otherwise, I really do agree with you. They have cool enough horsemen as it is, with both a Polish and Cossack theme.

>>51422228
I'm iffy on the Demigryphs myself - sometimes I think they should have gone to Bretonnians, but I like the idea of the Knights of Taal demigryph order in the Empire. But the White Lions are awesome, because you don't expect them to be ridding/used with chariots, let alone in a wargame sometimes. And while Ulrican wolves would be lazy, the goblin wolf riders were a really fun idea.

Now, the one that I say I gotta hate is the Wood Elves riding fucking deer or elk. At least the eagles were kinda interesting, even if a LoTR ripoff, but that was always Warhammer's charm, its loving ripoffs.

>>51422228
I hate the demigryphs.

I liked when there was just ONE demigryph for Bruchner.

>>51422530
Loyal pet is good idea. Give it some stats for fighting and it's a dual-unit like Gotrek & Felix.

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>>51417856
>First for Someone Picked Up the Rights to WFRP
>http://grimandperilous.com/?p=1058

Got me all excited at first, but...

>Modiphius Entertainment
A "please use our system" company that'd be unlikely to actually make a successor to WFRP2.

>Asmodée Group
Literally greedy corporate jewry: the corporation, that'd just assign FFG to churn out condensed turds. I really liked WH40kRP, but the longer they had it, the more apparent it became that they had no idea what they were doing or where they were taking things, and they never liked the d100 system to begin with.

>Cubicle 7
This is the only one with any real potential, but it also looks like a garage operation, and I'm not sure they'd have the capital to actually make good books. The good thing is that they look like they'd be the only ones likely or willing to do a successor to WFRP2, and it'd probably be their biggest IP deal, potentially making them really go for it, as opposed to FFG:s tendency to let it linger in forgotten obscurity, and potentially making them want to go "all in".

Regardless of who gets it, the question is really whether GW would even let them go for something that isn't Derp Times or Age of Smegmar. Post-Storm of Chaos was an amazing, amazing set-up, with enormous potential, most of which was wasted. From a roleplaying standpoint, in the Warhammer Fantasy setting, another point in time doesn't really come close, and certainly not any point in the End Times/Age of Suckmar setting, either.

>>51422914

To be honest, I'm just pleased GW hasn't embargoed Fantasy out of spite.

>>51422914
>slayer
>priest of sigmar (with a swastika on his head?)
>bright wizard
>some sort of mercenary

The only character I can't figure out is who the grey-haired woman is supposed to be.

>>51422997

She's token.

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It seems Cubicle 7 got it. That's actually interesting, to say the least, even if it takes a year or more before we see something come from it.

>>51422984
Considering that the whole of End Times reads as a big "fuck you!" to fans of Warhammer Fantasy, it's almost strange.

>>51422997
The swastika was added because the image kept getting posted elsewhere on 4chan when I needed to use it, back when there was a WFB general and a WHFRP general.

But yeah, it's three obvious ones and two unknowns. I think the grey-haired woman is supposed to be some knight-thing or just a mercenary, I'm not sure if they had thought of the whole Bretonnian Secret Waifu thing yet, and the guy with the raven I always considered as being a cartographer or something.

They should've just gone with the people in the opening story, really.

>>51422116
It's a canon fact that the last tsar rode a bear, but he was incredibly unusual.

The tsarina does not.

>>51422997
The woman appears to be a knight. She's wearing a coat of arms and all.

That would make her rare indeed, but it does happen in the Empire and Bretonnia (albeit in "secret" there).

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>>51423263
Personal coat of arms, whether officially recognized or not, are common in the Empire, though.

There's even a table for generating a personal heraldry in the character creation supplement for WFRP2, the "Character Pack".

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>>51423263
I know a fair few people don't like the idea of women being knights in Bretonnia, even in secret, but I love the idea of people finding work-arounds to really strict rules, or even governments with very strict rules occasionally looking the other way. The best other example I can think of offhand was how in Skyrim, it was implied that the Empire allowed secret worship of Talos to keep going, even when officially it was outlawed.

>>51424275
The way I view it is that Bretonnian culture is such that if you make a token effort to masquerade as a man, then you will be humored as long as you keep it up. Of course, if you aren't a noble, expect no such courtesy.

It's not impossible, though, for a woman to believably pass as a man, so that probably does happen. Short-cut hair, a helmet, and the androgynizing nature of mail and gambeson help.

>>51419579
Kids wont mind. They have terrible taste.

>>51418530
no.
praise sigmar ok.

>>51417856
what are the chances they make a supplement for large-scale combat? D&D had something like that, IIRC.

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>>51418530
Praise Ulric.

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>>51424998

>>51418530
>>51424986
>>51425006
cool khornates

>>51422116
>(But not fucking "warbear" cavalry.
what's the point then? we don't need another Bretonnia, aka "Knightly Orders the Armybook".

Bretonnia without bears is Chaos Warriors with just Marauders and no heavy armoured guys or monsters, period.

wud u pat a skaven?

>>51425201
Nope. They are disgusting creatures and they don't exist.

>>51425246
I would not pet a Skaven, no. They're pretty disgusting.

what army's more fun to play at 500pts (and whatver T9A equivalent is) - Lizardmen or Empire?

>>51423148
>Considering that the whole of End Times reads as a big "fuck you!" to fans of Warhammer Fantasy

Stop being a melodramatic little bitch. They gave a big story to mark Fantasy's passing, that's not a fuck you even if you didn't like it.

>>51425714
That's not melodrama, it's just how it reads. It's hardly a fitting send-off. It was just a counter-setting set-up for AoS, whether you liked it or not.

Have anyone tried to play WHFRP using FATE?
Is it possible or are FATE assumptions so different from WHFRP's so different that running warhammer on FATE would destroy warhammer's "feel"?

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>>51424275
It's a bit of fun, really.
The idea of someone masquerading as a member of the nobility is a common trope and has a decent amount of comedic potential.
It's also a good way for people to play a female character with a certain status without making the world unaccountably progressive.

Man, you know what was a good movie? A Knight's Tale was a good movie. And a perfect template for a WFRP campaign.
The party is, what, a Squire, a Valet, a Herald, a Tradesman and a... Protagonist?
And it has the perfect in media res campaign opening too.

>>51425744
#notmywarhammer

let me #correcttherecord

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>>51417553
So, question: Donyou think that Relic's Britinan mini's would make a good counts as army for the Empire? They mostly include riflemen, Long Swords and a bit of calvary, although they are a bit small. I ask because I really adore the mini's, but I know for a fact that nobody in my group of regulars will bother picking up a whole new system.

>>51427193
I'd be okay with that.

>>51425714
Its easy to see why people get that impression.

It would taker either spite or incompetence to make a 'send off' that unpalatable to fans of the game.

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I'm sitting here, making a WFRP2 character, and I've got 11 gold to blow. What are some good things to remember to buy on character creation?

I've only got the basic kit and the kit of an apprentice wizard, so far. I haven't gotten anything.

>>51417874
Kislev, different kinds of Norse, Araby, Tilea, Estelia, Border Princes, Southlands, Chaos Dorfs, Strigany, Sartosa, Kurgan.

>>51427529
>apprentice wizard
Spell components could be good idea no matter what adventure are you going to have.
With channelling and component you have 70% chance to cast dart.
Sadly we don't know prices for spell components.

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>>51425201
I would with an axe.

>>51425201
Yes.

>>51427062
Well, probably no one would *literally* be a Squire if the party is all commoners in Bretonnia, but you could easily use the career as a counts-as. I think you've got the career choices right, too.

The issue of 'squires' in Bretonnia lore is a bit complex. Even in the RPG, there are sources that mention them, and others that say that they don't eixst.

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>>51427273
So far, it seems that they will cover Handrifles and Long swords pretty darn well, but the "calvary" is far too small. Also, they lack any bows or crossbow mini's, along with artillery of any kind, unfortunately. So I'll need to think of some other Construct miniatures that could fill those roles.
https://torgaming.co.uk/britanan-category/

In WFRP, what source of fire could a character have if he's not a wizard of some description?

I really think a fight with a river troll would spice up my group's travel down the Reik, but I also worry it'd just wipe the floor with them.

>>51428562
Well, if your party is at all smart, they stole or bought an oil lamp before hitting the road, or are traveling with someone that owns one. It makes for a quick and easy firebomb, of course.

Flint and tinder are available, but obviously not useful in a fight. Black powder more explodes than burns. One might throw oil on the troll than chuck a torch at it too.

>>51428562
Lamp/Lamp-Oil.
Torches.
Flint & Tinder.
Molotovs of any kind.

If they're smart, they'll douse the troll in oil or something and then stick it with a torch. If you're mostly after the fire, it could also work to have clubs or maces that have been turned into makeshift torches.

>>51424383
Except strength, and other sexually dimorphic realities. (Which is all that matters in a fight between a man and a woman)

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>>51428851
No, far more important than strength are going to be skill and reach, the latter of which women tend to have a pronounced disadvantage at.

Considering Bretonnian knights usually fight from the saddle with a lance, the horse and the skill of the lancer are more important than any personal strength or reach, though.

Law of averages tells us that female knights are going to be more mannish if they last any time at all, more Brienne of Tarth-y in build. Of course, Brionne poets are probably more inspired by the taboo of a beautiful noblewoman who can also fight, however rare they likely are.

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>>51429035
Speaking of kuhniggits of Brionne, I have an NPC in my WFRP game and am trying to track down Bretonnian songs for him to plague the PCs with, or else period songs that'll be easy enough to use without anyone calling foul.

Any help? Page numbers would be great, too, this game has a hell of a lot of splatbooks and fansplats.

Strangely enough, despite it existing within the lore I can't find any references to tobacco in WFRP2. I'm not sure how expensive I should make tobacco. Any ideas lads?

>>51429720
I'd look at luxuries like wine and brandy to place it. I know they grow it in the Moot.

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>>51429114
Here. I'm guessing 'Carroburg Fayre' is the same tune as 'Scarborough Fair'.

>>51429758
So say, 1 silver schilling for a pouch of tobacco? That should make it fairly common but still a luxury item.

>>51425744
>It's hardly a fitting send-off.

It is, you just don't like the story.
It was a big climactic bash with plenty fireworks.
You can not like it, but it's no fuck you.

>>51427490
>Its easy to see why people get that impression.

No, not really. I can see why people don't like.
But it's nothing but salt to say it was meant as a fuck you.

>>51429846
Seems about right.

How well does WFRP 2e work outside of the Warhammer setting?

I had a mind to use it for a homebrew fantasy setting I'm working on based on the North American frontier in the late 1700's/early 1800's, because RPGs in that time period are hard as balls to find normally and the 1600's of Warhammer Fantasy's setting is close enough.

>>51430386
D100 should work fine, but you might want to stat up mundane animals, and of course create custom careers (pretty easy).

Personally, I also buff firearms to make them considerably more dangerous.

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>>51429035
I figure that fighting from horseback in general might help make things more fair for a lady fighter - the speed and strength of the horse 'multiplies' the strength of your blows, whether you're swinging a melee weapon or using a lance. And the fact that Bretonnian knights are heavily armored probably helps make them more survivable. I could see them getting away with being a little less muscular.

Considering that everyone in Bretonnia is horse-obsessed enough that even peasants would probably know how to ride, I'm not too surprised that a noble lady would be able to make it as a knight. There's even a system in place to give those with little experience some practical on-hands training, i.e. the Knights Errant. They may not survive (and probably would still do worse than the average male knight because they haven't been groomed for it since birth), but they don't necessarily have to be in top military form from the beginning, or go some form of training to find friends or get experience.

anyone have that map that shows old elf settlements in the old world? I need it for something I am doing.

>>51431223
>the speed and strength of the horse 'multiplies' the strength of your blows,
10x0 is still 0.
You would also have to be legit retarded to reduce your wife population in a setting as dark as WHFB. That's a good way to be extinct within 40 years

>>51431468
especially WOMEN FROM THE NOBILITY.
so retarded.

>>51431497
It's not like this is a terribly logical setting in the first place.

>>51431468

1.) Lance fighting uses the horse's strength. The rider's strength is mostly used in aiming and holding the lance steady. A woman could be an effective lancer if she was sufficiently athletic.

2.) Bretonnia does not condone or allow a woman to be a knight. If she IS discovered or unmasked, she's sent home to be disciplined and returned to the life of a woman, or else exiled.

>>51431468
If it's 0, I'm real surprised that they're trying to be a knight instead of being stuck in a bed.

But using your metaphor, even if they only had a strength of 1, the resulting 10 would still be more than an infantryman with a strength of 5. She could get by, even if she's not as good as a strength 5 male, and that's assuming she never manages the metaphorical 2 or 4.

And as another anon pointed out, this is not a condoned activity. Aside from Repanse de Lyonesse, who was somehow blessed by the Lady, there has never been a female knight in Bretonnia that was not doing so in secret.

And Bretonnia is pretty fucking retarded in its population problems anyway, what with nobles obsessed over their lineage and peasants practically forced to inbreed, and hundreds of young Knights Errant being pressured to wander about the country and fight things, and probably die in the process due to lack of experience. With a setting like WFHB, you have to wonder how there's enough men to keep the population going, let alone why they aren't pressuring women to take up arms to replace the menfolk. But of course, 'as many elves as the plot demands.'

>>51429837
Okay, what the hell pages are The Black Dragon Crest and The Heart is a New Strung Bow on? I can never find the fuckers when I flip through the splats, and naturally they're not in the index.

>>51432642
Page 3 of NDM (5 of the pdf)
Page 40 of RotIQ (42 of the pdf)

>>51432782
Thank you.

>>51423148
for a second I thought they were selling WFRP stuff again

What's a good way to fluff a Magic Dart spell for a Grey Wizard/Shadowmancer Apprentice?

>>51433876
the dart is a shadow and it hits the targets shadow and causes harm to the target

>>51433849
If they've gone to the effort of updating the license holder that's probably next on the agenda.

Remember that there hasn't been any kind of announcement yet. Someone heard a rumour, Grim and Perilous confirmed it and then discovered the license thing.

>>51433876
>blast some raw Shadow wind to the opponent
>since they are not attuned to the wind, the sudden influx of magic hurts them

or just an ethereal shadow arrow that only the target can feel

>>51432570
>But of course, 'as many elves as the plot demands.'
Or old world is not as dangerous as it sounds. What we get in books may as well be inaccurate.
If we get info about our world from news we learn that we live on dying planet full of thieves, corrupt officials, murderers, robbers and terrorists and we are on the brink of war that will end the world as we know.

>>51431671
yeah but this is just pushing. Woman in nobility are crucial for peace and alliances

>>51434594
And headpatting.

>>51434594
Not if your only child is female and you want her to inherit under your name.

>>51434880
There's a female knight in the Knights of the Grail sourcebook in this predicament. She's trying to find a way to deal with producing an heir.

>>51434023
Well that's just because the news tends to report the stuff that will get people's attention, and that there's just so much news being reported. Our world has actually been overall safer and better than it was in prior decades.

But as to your point...well, it's really hard to say. Some books make it sound like it's dangerous for anyone to travel on the roads, even well-trained warriors. Some make it sound like even the wilderness is relatively safe, provided you know which parts to stay away from. And who's to say what the people in the Warhammer world think? There were probably people convinced of the End Times being upon them long before that even started.

>>51434594
Maybe they are blessed by the Lady from birth?

>>51435659
There's actually a blurb in Knights of the Grail about how the Lady knows if a knight is actually a woman pretending to be male, and will never make a woman a Grail Knight.

>>51435897
You don't need to be a Grail Knight to be living the dream.

>>51434904
>Knights of the Grail sourcebook
I probably took that idea from this book.
>She's trying to find a way to deal with producing an heir.
That should be easy:
1. Marry third daughter of some nobody noble.
2. Get fucked by lover/random guy.
3. Take your wife for a trip taking a year.
4. Get back with heir that was birthed by your new wife.
If child is not son then repeat or teach daughter how to be a man.

>>51434980
People always tend to repeat stuff that get other people attention.
For example:
Roadwardens come to village and are asked how is it on the road:
>I totally killed 1k mutants and million skaven
While patrol killed one cripple mutant and heard about skaven in tavern but in mind of people forest is full of danger.

Other village will tell about how forest is full of beast and people living across the forest are mutants and chaos worshippers, but nobody ever was in the forest or left the village.

Somewhere else "nobody that leaves ever comes back", such danger. But in truth nobody have a reason to come back to some backwater shithole.

In some big city a man was killed, latter watchman tell a tale about in in a bar wit just a little bit of exaggeration, tale was good so it is retold many times. When tale reaches other end of the city we have full blown chaos cult and "end is nigh!".
For added drama local witch hunters, acting on the rumour start investigation and burning people that makes tale more believable and panic spiral accelerates.

All of above examples makes people truly believe they live in dangerous and perilous world, while it is dangerous but half as much as they believe it to be.

Of course there was End Times or Storm of Chaos but we live in a situation when end times may came upon us in nuclear fire and nobody gives a fuck in everyday life.

Anyone know what the next Made To Orders will be? I saw people saying Goblin Hewer.

>>51436555
What were the first made to orders? I missed it.

>>51437698
Diaz Daemonettes were the very first. Then it was Imperial Guard.

Next up, they asked on Facebook what the best "Order" faction minis to use are. Most of the people were saying they wanted Dwarfs, last I checked.
They put of announcement until they could maximize hype about Ynnead in 40k and Sigmarine Demigryph Knights in AoS.

>>51431326
please respond.

>>51439165
Like all the pre War of Beard/Vengeance settlements? Haven't seen a comprehensive one.

Are there any books about what happens to nagash after he gets killed by Alcadizar?

>>51439485
I think the series moves onto Neferata after that, with Nagash popping up after.

>>51439499
Yeah, I've read the three books about Nagash, Neferata, and W'soran. It looked like the book after W'soran would have had a lot of Nagash in it since Nagash made a small cameo at the end of W'soran's book. I'm reading the von carstein trilogy now. It's okay, but definitely not as good as rise of nagash.

I'm having trouble putting the time line together too, since most of what happened in nagash seems to have been retcon'd.

>>51439550
Yeah, we saw why continuity is such a mess in End Times. They just shove an outline of what needs to happen and the rough plot at a writer who just does the rest up however they want. There's no loremaster to read the first or last draft, the writer pretty much has final say and can make up whatever they want as long as they stick the required components in.
That's why shit that happened in both novelization and End Times book were totally different in a lot of places.

That's why a lot of people just disregard all Black Library now. There's no way of telling what a writer put in and what's actually intended canon. Plus there's folks who prefer Black Library canon, since it has less of the heavy hand of folks like Ward and Thorpe on it.

>>51439550
Try Ushoran's book next. Then Genevieve last if you haven't already, since it relies on the earliest Warhammer continuity and changed so much so its good to disregard where it conflicts. Also the Red Duke short stories.

Would there be any community support for a project to evolve WHFRP 2nd edition into 4th edition, similar to what The 9th Age started out doing for WHFRP?

It would exclusively fix and clarify issues in the original system, like unifying and rationalizing the economy, adding rules for mounted combat, buffing 2h weapons to be useable, etc.

Viable?

>>51439695
>Viable?
If someone wink wink nudge nudge was to pioneer most of the work and kept consistently working on it, maybe.

WHFRP didm't have quite such a big (online) community as WHFB did though. At least that is my impression.

Though I guess for most people it would be easier just to keep playing 2nd edition with a few houserules (like if one guy really wants to use twohand weapons you fix that particular issue).

On the other hand it might be worthwhile to start with collecting those houserules.

>>51439695
Zweihander


Check out the strike to stun forums

>>51439937
Not the same thing.

>>51439695
I'm up for this. I've already done a certain amount for my own campaign - I've totally overhauled the weapons and armour tables for example.
And I've started working on a new economy multiple times, but it's a very complex task.

I'd wait and see what Cubicle 7 are doing with the license first though.

>>51439695
What's wrong with two handed weapons?

>>51440745
A shield is way better.
Or even just a dagger held in the off-hand.

>>51440745
In my group everyone takes what he wants without any thought about optimizing.
Anyway, two handed weapons are only worth to use if the character has three attacks.

>>51440745
Nothing, really. People just undervalue Impact. Also, it's inferior in terms of survivability, which is fairly important.

>>51440679
This is the first I've heard of them. Is our game screwed?

>>51440679
Could you upload armour and weapon tables anon?

>>51444252
They publish The One Ring rpg, which is pretty decent.
And they have T. S. Luikart working for them, who did a couple of books for WFRP 2e.

So I'm reasonably optimistic.

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>>51444389
Apparently you can export from google sheets to pdf. Who knew?

>>51444439
Thank you anon. Ranald blessed me for you appearing in this thread today. How about economics? I found two but one is too much to handle and second one seems to have too low prices and its in my language. I can upload the 1st one if someone wants.

>>51427660
What Not!Country are Border Princes, and Strigos supposed to be?

Also I keep getting Kurgan and Hungs mixed up. What makes them different?

>>51445244
Kurgans are sort of like Turks and Khanates. Hungs are straight up Mongols.

>>51445244
Kurgans are Conan-style 'evil' steppe barbarians. They're closest to the Mongols, but the 'hype' version of them that survivors of their spergings would tell others about.

The Border Princes are more or less a relocated balkans, with all the backstabbery and political irrelevance. Strigos is kinda Romania-ish? Also a bit like Stygia from Conan.

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>>51445244
The Border Princes are the Balkans.
Strigos we don't know, but since the Strigany are basically Romani, south-east Europe fits for them pretty well too.

I think the Byzantines work nicely. They're weird enough for Warhammer purposes at least.

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So, fellow lorefags and RPG enthusiasts, just what do you think is wrong with Mousillon? There are multiple theories on it listed in the Mousillon splat, but do you favor any in particular? And do you think there should be a solution to the problem, a way to save it and salvage Landuin's legacy?

>>51447156
I liked the one theory where Landuin failed and made a dark deal because he didn't want to be the first to die of his bros.

>>51447156
Probably a similar issues like that of Sylvania.

>>51447693
A natural dhar trap? Can't just be that unless there was a major shift in the winds, since Mousillon used to be a fair land. Could be something CAUSED the winds to shift, like >>51447680 suggested.

>>51447156
>>51447680
Pretty sure the dark magic happened after Landuin's death. Probably has something to do with the nobles of Mousillion becoming vampires and wherever the black grail came from.

>>51447837
It could also be an unintentional side-effect of Skaven activity.

>>51447156
I'm thinking Black Knight Blood Dragon Grail Knight.

>>51447680
I'd think it would be people trying to bring Landuin back instead, and irredeemably fucking it up, which would lead into the Endless loop

Or Landuin luring in necromancers wanting to bring Giles back?

> Some dark magics happened in Place -> Place is cursed! -> dark mages/necromancers are lured in -> Repeat ad infinitum

>>51447983
I tend not to think so. Canonically, the skaven outpost there is a mere couple hundred ratties, antarctic lab tier.

>>51447878
I wouldn't be surprised if the Black Grail is involved. Either way, Mousillon is one of the only (THE only?) places where 'trash' undead remain even if their summoner perishes.

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>>51447156
I believe its fall really started with Merovech - the guy who drank the king's blood after killing him in a duel. It sounds like the land hadn't been as glorious as before, and he started dabbling in dark things in turning to gain the might necessary to regain his dukedom's honor.

Before that, I think the land might have just been a natural dhar trap. It's like how Sylvania was always kind of shitty, but it still took thousands of years for a vampire to end up turning it into a place of darkness and evil. It took Merovech dabbling in dark things and attracting evil followers to really turn Mousilion into the dark place it is.

And remember - modern Mousilion is smaller than the dukedom originally was, so it seems that whatever is going on is focused on the land around the ducal capital - it didn't spread into the lands that are now a part of Lyonesse. So having it have something to do with the corruption of the rulers makes sense.

>>51448757
We also know that Maldred and his entire court dropped dead in the middle of a revel during the last big Mousillon war, and not from the Red Pox.

For what it's worth, it's stated on Lexicanum that, after Gilles's death, Landuin fell into a malaise from which he never recovered, and Mousillon declined as well. We do know that necromancy does terrible things to a human body, so perhaps >>51448425 's post has relevance here.

>>51445963
Speaking of Mediterranean cultures, what role did Tilea have in human history in the Old World? Was there a Roman Empire equivalent? That sort of seems to have been prevented by the setting's equivalent to the Germans forming their own confederacy because of Thor-Jesus.

>>51448921
They had Warhammer Leonardo Da Vinci.

>>51448882
I don't see how a guy like Landuin - who was apparently the bestest knight ever - would have need of, or even make use of Necromancy without harming that image. When would he need armies of skeletons or forbidden knowledge? Why wouldn't the holy power of the other early Grail Knights harm him or something?

>>51449008
My working theory is that Landuin was studying necromancy in an attempt to resurrect Gilles le Breton. Perhaps he remembered the power of the necromancer he'd confronted decades ago, and thought to turn that power to a noble purpose. We do know that by this point Landuin had withdrawn from court. Landuin being based on Lancelot, he surely had some great failing in his character or deeds.

It could be that Landuin himself created the Black Grail. We don't know where it originally came from, after all, only that it grants boons in imitation of the true Grail.

>>51448921
Well, 'Classical' as a language must have come from somewhere, and it's obviously Latin.

I remember some references to a 'Remean Empire', but a certain amount of that might have been fan-created. Or possibly from the Dogs of War book, which is just wall to wall puns.

There was Tylos though.

>>51448980
Anything about ancient Tilea? Like what were they doing when Sigmar was doing his thing? Or before it?

It seems like the rise of the great human civilizations are Nehekhara = Cathay > Strygos > Empire > Bretonnia (and the minor powers that are Tilea, Border Princes, Estalia Kislev, Ind, Khuresh, and Nippon at various undisclosed times) . Unless I'm missing some few

Also was Strygos existing at the same time as

>>51449449
I think that Strigos was founded before the Empire. It was however destroyed by the greenskins.

>>51449008
You have the most loyal and devout follower and friend of the King, some truly knightly values

You have the close-to-immortal king being killed by a thrown weapon from a filthy Greenskin

He also knew first hand what Necromancy was capable of, and supposedly, was self-confident and impetuous (again, knightly virtues)

>Why wouldn't the holy power of the other early Grail Knights harm him or something?
Uh oh, Grail Knights don't get to smite undeath with holy power, otherwise they would have wiped out the Blood Knights ages ago

>>51449449
Looking at a timeline gives me these dates:

>Nehekhara
>Founded -2500 (Settra)
>Destroyed -1147 (Nagash's Great Ritual)

>Tylos
>Founded between -2500 and -2000
>Destroyed -1780

>Strigos
>Founded -1020
>Destroyed -200

All dates in the Imperial Calendar, so Sigmar is born at 0 IC.

>>51449648
And Cathay has just pretty much always existed since the time of Nehekhara at least?

>>51449261
So as a gm how could I use classical language in game? 2ed

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I realise this might not be the best place to ask, but does anyone know a good site to get white dwarf PDFs?

I found a good source here: http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/36808103

But apparently the one I'm looking for (pic related) is different US & Australia, the UK version is missing a few cool things.

Anyone got any good sources of period poetry and music I could use for >>51429114 , the Brionne knight? I'm not much of a poet or a lyricist myself, and I don't wanna just have him stop being Brionnese when I run out of ideas.

>>51449904
A lot of academic and even magical texts are written in Classical.

fuck so I didnt put my knights in the storage box properly and the spears have bent, they are already painted, plastic spears. how do I fix em tg

Are we allowed to discuss Fantasy Flight's Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay here? If so, I am a new player, just got the big $100 box set as a gift from my D&D Players, and have a question since I can't find it in any of the books from the set.

>>51449711
GW never gave enough info on it to know.

>>51451769
Yes, but most people aren't interested. 3e was a really bad edition.

>>51451802
Ah. Okay. I was just wondering what the difference between the Advanced and Basic career cards were. Not sure if they're Advanced for being more difficult to play or Advanced because they're similar to Prestige classes in D&D.

>>51451822
In 2e, anyway, you need to finish a basic before going into advanced.

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So, can someone explain to me why any Northen Tribe would want to worship Nurgle?

I get pretty much all of the the other gods, but why worship a deity that is going to get you sick?

Lads, I was a fan of warhammer as well, but you need to let go. The game was shit, hence warmaster, and the lore was just thinly veiled world politics < now + dragons. Sorry guys, go do another game, talking about what was or could have been is detrimental to your mental health. I urge you to explore new games and lore.

>>51452216
Yeah, I just spotted that on the back of the cards. Thought the backs were just background info.

>>51452716

I hope you die in an accident soon.

>>51452668
He makes your body sick. But you don't actually feel sick, on the contrary you feel almost no pain and you gain regenerating flesh, hidelike skin, and the sicker you get the stronger you get.

>>51452716
Is this a copypasta?

>>51452772
A perfect retort. M8, I guarantee I was playing warhammer before you were born. Attacking me won't still the fact that WHFB is dead.

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>>51452785

Yeah I read that. It just seems like the hardy tribes of the North wouldn't want to be associated with being sickly.

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>>51452668
Something you need to understand about the Warhammer world is that they have a premordern understanding of disease. The idea of plague as a result of moral degeneracy or a divine scourge against sinners is still strong. The afflicted are often expected to lay down and die.

In this point of utter humiliation and agony, Nurgle comes to them. Nurgle cares. Nurgle understands their Shane and wretchedness. Nurgle offers brotherhood and a surcease from pain, shows them to view the futility of life as a cosmic joke and to be content in entropy.

And all they have to do is share the love.

>>51452849
>dead.
>248k people played total warhammer in the last 2 weeks.

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>>51452951
That was a rib tickler. Was that an troll?

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>>51452943
There are other ways to come to Nurgle, too. Some worship him as a means to lay their enemies low. Some pray to him to HOLD OFF his plagues, making abominable bargains that grow dearer and dearer as corruption spreads. Some are nihilists, or are awed by the grinding inevitability Nurgle embodies.

>>51452849
shit b8

would people be up for reading some 1000 pt list for 8e? might be fun to read through

>>51452997
Why is it b8? Look friend, my first white dwarf was bought in 1992. You can fuck off if you think you know anything about warhammer. Tell me who Mike Walker was?

Don't reply to shitposters, idiots

>>51452988
http://steamspy.com/app/364360
eat shit.

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So I haven't played in years, I have a VC 6th edition army.

Recently found out a player at the local shop plays 6th edition Ogres. We're gonna start playing each other.

Anything I should know about facing ogres? Particularly as a VC player?

>>51452890
To them it probably represents life, blood, or something.
They have different ideas of Chaos.

>>51453107
What is your point? That the game isn't dead because there is another game that is related? You really don't make a good point.

>>51453127
that warhammer fantasy just shifted mediums you dumbfuck.

>>51453163
Sorry, you're right. I am a dumb fuck for thinking that more WHFB games will be made. Do you have someone who helps you type? Hi this guys wrangler, he is actually delusional. Let him down gently.

You probably don't do you, well. Hard truth son. It is Dead and GW won't licence more games unless Sigmarines. I hate Sigmarines as well but you are going to have to deal with it, some of it isn't bad. (Mega-Armoured)Orruks went well.

>>51453127
This isn't the WFB wargame thread, it's the Warhammer Fantasy thread. Run along back to the AoS general, kid.

>>51453221
So? You don't need live content to keep playing, or enjoy the story.

>>51453221
It's not the warhammer TT general
It's the warhammer fantasy general, which includes the much more successful videogame and the RPG.

>>51453229
Have you even read the conversation? You replied to the wrong person retard.

>>51453237
That is absolutely true, but I would prefer something new. I have boxes of models probably older than you. I have a scream-o-fex from the late 90's still coated it yellow paint. My point is, when the shit moved on, I was with it. Stop being so negative. Matter of fact, I enjoyed every book of the End Times.

>>51453250
Used to be Blood Bowl too, for the longest time.

>>51453267
Then fuck off to the 'something new,' you stupid nigger.

>>51453267
What armies did you have? If you're quitting and had rare stuff, I might snatch them up off eBay.

>>51453267
No one gives a shit about subpar models or boxes that GW tried nickel and diming people with to support their unbalanced mess of the tabletop game.

What is unique about the warhammer universe is the setting, and It is alive and well with the help of videogames and hardware..

GW even went ahead and gave CA TT models to base their unit design on for TW:WH if you want to be butthurt about it.

The setting is fine. GW isn't making overpriced minis for it anymore.

>>51453289
Honestly, I was looking here for nostalgia but only found grognards, no skumgrods. Fuck off to your 'new' as well m8

>>51453291
I have a shit ton of orks, some dwarfs, mordheim buildings and I assume models and ALL the tyranids pre-plastic. except termagants and stealers, the were plastic.

>>51453313
I'm a Dwarf collector, I may end up being a buyer then.

Cheers.

>>51453338
They aren't on ebay, want a pic? I think I can dig some out? Some have metal bases

>>51449627
I thought it just took faith or magic to affect undead. The Lady seems pretty heavily associated with the Lore of Life.

>>51453307
>What is unique about the warhammer universe is the setting

Yes, Europe. Oh you mean the aztec south or the mystical east? Are you actually retarded?

>>51453363
You're not wrong, but other than highly specialized branches of Death magic and the Cult of Morr, most faiths and magics aren't fine tuned for it. Vampires are the only undead who instinctively fear the divine, and even then no all of them.

Late in life Landuin wasn't receiving visitors, either.

>>51453395
Well you are completely wrong. After Nagash kill everyone in the south the dead started walking. Whether that happened previously in the chaos wastes is questionable but it was Nagash tha created all undead.

>>51453387
exactly how many other settings had a mishmash of aztec dinosaurs, HRE humans that weren't in a state of decay, Green fungus people that went around acting like your average tottenham hotspurs fan?

>>51453429
Don't confuse Orcs with Orks.Orcs are a bit shit, Savage Orcs was the attempt to save them after Orks turned out so much more fun (Thank you Andy Chambers). Gobbos were better in whfb. Also, you can see every inspiration they had. hear jes or john talk about any and you know where it came from, you can read it.

>>51453413
Nagash invented Necromancy, undead existed without his say or through independent means. See Drachenfels, or spontaneous warpstone zombies.

None of that has anything to do with the post, anyway, which is a reply to the question about whether magic/faith hurts undead. The answer being it can, but usually doesn't unless directly applied. 'Holy radiation' is limited to a few limited things.

>>51453469
>See Drachenfels
Like I said, chaos. Nagash created the undead.. It was only after his spell that undead rose OUTSIDE the chaos wastes.

Also, fucking drachenfels. Have you even read it? This is classic /tg/ response.

>>51453507
I have. Drachenfels is not drawing his power from the Chaos gods, he had it long before he started casual worship of them.

>>51453467
and how many settings had all of them together?

Go fuck yourself and move on to a better setting. You don't need to recruit people on the fucking WHFB general.

>>51453387
Hey redshirt, nothing you do is going to make us buy your Sigmarines or Fyreslayers.

>>51453526
And it was fan wank and nobody liked it, it isn't and wasn't canon. This board is just filled with people who want to like obscure things. It is fucking sad.

>>51453529
>>51453546
This is typical of paranoid schizophrenia. Do you lads live alone? If not go ask your mum to book a doctors appointment

>>51453584
Drachenfels is canon, redshirt. No one here is going to buy your sigmarines, redshirt.

>>51453595
But they come with free tendies now, just pluck of a 4 legged emu

>>51453467
I always hated Orks though.

>>51453609
Not even AoS players like those things.

>>51453620
Whoops, sorry. Let's re-write history because this fatty hates Orks. Please, forgive us.

>>51453636
I can't be bothered being sarcastic about that retarded comment.

>>51453651
Savage Orcs are the only good non-Goblin greenskins GW made.

Orks are just Goblin Space Marines.

>>51453716
Yeah, I said about savorcs. You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about if you think Orks are gobbos. Later m8, enjoy being 17-23. You will miss it.

>>51453750
What's 17-23?

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>>51452716
You say this on a korean paper show that is an internet dinosaur, where people regularly talk about games that are years old, if not decades and out of print?

>>51453844
He's a salesperson, dude, it's his job to use viral marketing to pressure people into adopting the new product.

>>51453526
Someone that is drawing power from the warp is drawing power from the Chaos gods, whether they know it or not.

>>51454181
Wrong. Drachenfels' first resurrection predates the coming of the Old Ones.

>>51449904
Classical is used a lot by the churches, especially the southern gods of Myrmidia, Verena and when outside of the Empire, probably Shallya too. A lot of texts and books are also written in classical.

Among academicians, it's probably common in terminology, allowing you to draw conclusions based on words used and such, with entire books written in classical, too, especially ancient texts. Among the churches, holy books are probably often written in classical, and church officials likely use some form of church latin.

>>51454254
Irrelevant. I never said anything about the Old Ones.

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Why are Shieldbearers so stupidly fun?

>>51454282
There is no Chaos to grant powers before they come and the gates are sundered.

>>51424773

But Sigmar is an Ulric-worshiper....

>>51452668

Because Nurgle listens.

>>51449449
Read the Tilea project, we use the known facts from the warhammer timeline to extropolate some fun stuff

>>51424773
Sigmar was a neat guy when he was human but godwise he is shitty.

Send help /whfg/, I need another encounter for the first session and I'm all out of ideas. The party's starting in Altdorf and I can't think of anything to stretch out the session.

>>51455572
What's your basic plot? What are you hoping to achieve?

Some character info would also be useful

>>51455789
The plot: Travelling down to the Border Princes to retrieve an artefact for the Gold College
The characters: An apprentice wizard, a mercenary, two soldiers and a barber-surgeon

I've already got an encounter planned where they get pickpocketed and need to reclaim their money, but it's very generic and am looking for something else to spice up the session

>>51455067
I dunno. He comes in handy against vampires.

>>51455811
- cart breaking, a beer cart loses a wheel and nearly 40 barrels roll at high speed down the street. Chaos as Mocs try and snag the free beer, the barrels burst into shops and break limbs of those in front of them. The players can sell the contents for cash or just try and claim a barrel for themselves
- horse trading, navigate the fun world of fishy horse deals
- contract work, bodyguards for a day or even a bit of PI work. There's a notice board with a dozens of bits of paper old and new and each one is a help wanted or advertisement. Maybe the wizard spots signs of a dodgy cult or expensive grumpier for sale
- Pub brawls, always fun. Especially if you wind up with a bag of diamonds by mistake... ones that belong to Larry 'the hammer' Freikopf or the Duke of Carroburg depending who you believe when you get them valued

>>51455924
>Mocs

Should be npcs, phone autocorrect is annoying

>>51455924
Thanks man, you've given me an idea.

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Newfag here. Is there even a slight chance that GW will resurrect WFB? Surely they must have noticed the backlash and the shitstorms AoS caused?

I became interested in WFB relatively recently and wanted to try it, but it just seems like such a hassle getting enough units for an army today (not counting the prices).

>>51456017
I'd say there's like a 5-10% chance. At best, we'll get Mordheim back.

>>51455996
Np, let us know how it goes

>>51456017
There a 4th ed mooted but in terms of mainstream support wfb is dead.


It's for the best, gw writing ability and respect for its own lore/world plummeted from 2000s onwards and the End Times was the culmination of a rounded world becoming essentially capeshit

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>>51456043
>and the End Times was the culmination of a rounded world becoming essentially capeshit
Sad but true.

>>51456042
>>51456043

I see. I know this is the wrong thread but would you say 40K is going down the same drain or would it be worth a shot?

>>51456017
use ebay anon, I bought 25 assorted chaos warriors for 20 dollars

>>51456017
WFB is dead sadly and GW is an idiot, so don't expect to see a new edition. WFRP however may be getting a new edition.

>>51456091
It's down the same route for sure. I think it has more chance of survival though as you can patent Space Marine Bloodxcretors more than say Elf Pikemen

>>51456091
It's definitely going the same way.
I'd say if you like the minis and the rules, go for it, it doesn't matter if the setting dies.

>>51456091
Lore-wise it's getting shittier (but not ending the world). Rules-wise is staying the same I hear.

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>>51456120
>>51456115
>>51456112
>>51456110
>>51456101

Thanks for the advice, I'll think about it.
This is clearly one of the friendlier boards.

>>51456043
I think the over focus on special characters being plot important kinda started with the Storm of Chaos when they proped up Archaon and Valten as supervillain and superhero.

>>51454941
Where can I read it? I can't seem to find it in the links at the top.

hey, I am trying to create a custom unit for my total warhammer mod and I need a little lore question I need answering.

Do wood elves have some basic infantry below the eternal guard? Like the melee equivalent to glade guard units?

>>51456368
http://liberfanatica.net/Tilea-Estalia.html

Here you go

>>51454392
Of course there was. Chaos has been around since forever. What you thought the rest of the universe and the immaterium didn't exist before the coming of The Old Ones to this backwater planet?

>>51452997

Sure, post 'em

>>51456017
They've relaunched a few old games recently, so maybe one day in some limited form.

hey I've been learning to play warhammer with the regiments of renown gameset for 8th editon and I'm having a blast though also forgetting many rules, such as break tests until the last 3 turns, and my wood elf opponent forgetting hatred and fear for the dryads for a few of the cbs

There are 3 of us that play, Me with empire along with a chaos player and the welf player(8 frickin dryads)

How on earth do I beat dryads as empire for ROR. my last game I tried taking bowman but holy hell they sucked
currently my ror list is as follows

1 leader :Reikscaptain
1 Empire knight with lance
1 Greatsword
3 swordsman
2 bowman

to say the least my match against the dryads was slaughter, the only redeeming aspect was friedrich my reikscaptain having the prestige of being the only one in my army to actually kill dryads, which he managed to wipe 5 of with his army long dead before he fled the field due to warband rout on 1 wound.


anyway how the shit do I kill these guys

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What the fuck?

>>51457628
>fap fap fap

>>51457628
At last I can masturbate to Warhammer official art without any of the guilt.

>>51456990
This isn't 40k.

>>51455067
>personally intervened to kill Drachenfels

>shitty

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Would you use this prayer to steel your fellow man?

>>51457628
I'm missing something here...


It's a book published by gw done years ago?

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>>51457628

>>51457628
I don't get it. What am I missing?

>>51458942
>>51459041
It's posted on a fapsite

>>51459062
Heraldry is super sexy.

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No wonder no one remember's Wissenland's colors - they're amazingly boring.

>>51457628
You can sometimes find non-lewd artbooks on sadpanda. I remember finding Yoshinari Yoh's artbook on there.

>>51459249
There's even Tails gets Trolled on it.

>>51456017
If GW ever "brings back" Fantasy, it will be like this:

They add a section to their site for Warhammer Fantasy, which is all of the models still being made under their original names. Buying from this section gives you square bases at extra charge. They bring nothing back that they squatted. The 8e book pops up as a digital download, at full price.

That's it. It'll never be fully resurrected. But given they put square bases in the newest AoS starter set, they may have realized they can take advantage of the existing market refusing to play AoS that are still GW's beaten wives.

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>>51457628

>>51454326
The concept is impractical, but awesome.

Just like hauling the Anvil of Doom to a battlefield on its stone base, probably weighting a thousand pounds, and fucking Thorgrim's throne.

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>>51459543
>they may have realized they can take advantage of the existing market refusing to play AoS that are still GW's beaten wives.
Pic related. Yes, I am one.

>>51459543
I believe if a lot of people buy from the WFB section, they would make new/bring back old models for the setting.

>>51459667
People didn't buy from the WFB section back when it was still a supported game. It's the entire reason of AoS existence.

>>51459696
They didn't buy models because most people completed their collections decades ago, most of what they did was rereleases of existing models that looked worse than what came before as well as large kits that the existence of artillery made useless so nobody bought them except as shelf pieces or for lulzy games.

Had GW expanded into subfactions like they are doing with 40k and AoS, it would have sold. That's what Dogs Of War was, expansions of armies, until GW squatted them to focus on core armies (that everyone already had).

Storm Of Magic was where they decided "We don't need this game to sell well" basically, by releasing a shitload of large models that had garbage stats.

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Damn, the 9th Age fan galleries have some neat conversions.

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>>51459791

>>51459744
What of the things you listed would be different in >>51459543 case?

If Space Marines are GW's favorite 40k faction and Shitmarines are GW's favorite AoS faction, then what faction was GW's favorite for WFB?

>>51459859
Elves.

>>51459840
Nothing.

All they'd be doing is selling existing models with square bases if anyone wanted them. It would cost them nothing, and help mitigate the PR problems they had with people who refused to move onto AoS.

That's why its a "resurrection", not a resurrection. There would never be another edition or new content, unless that new content is shitting out some 8e stats for Stormcasts. It would just be "Hey, we remember you guys exist, need square bases, and are still buttmad and thus not spending money on us."

Again, the ONLY reason they would do this is because it would cost nothing for them to do. They haven't pursued legal action against the 9th Age guys likely for the same reason, its free advertising.

>>51459744
This. I disliked or didn't care for most plastic kits after 6'th edition.

>>51459859
Chaos

>>51459859
Warriors Of Chaos.
Daemons in the fluff, but were very neglected in terms of models.

Otherwise probably the Empire. They were made the complete main characters of the game to the point that Lizardmen and Tomb Kings just kind of existed and stagnated in lore.

>>51456173
Trad games require in theory some degree of social acumen.

This can be true or not, I mean, the sweaty neckbeard stereotype is older than vidya, but our pursuits are less isolated than those of videogamers, as more of our staples require other people to play.

As you can see there isn't currently a solitaire thread on the catalogue so. . . .

>>51456017
The guys that bakclashed and burned armies on youtube weren't buying in the first place, and if you trust GW reports AoS is selling much more than WHFB did.

So, no, absolutely no chance.

You can still make a WHFB army pretty easy just by choosing one of those whose minis are still sold for AoS and buying square bases for them.

>>51459859
Chaos.

>>51459859
skaven or vampires due to the quality/quantity of updates

>>51459915
Yeah, which is why I find ridiculous >>51459667 this scenario.

>>51459946
The guys that burned their armies were burning mostly miniatures made in the last ten years, so they did buy at least one full army.
I trust GW reports on finances as much as I trust the words of Donald Trump regarding crowds.

AoS is probably selling the same or better, but GW are not to be trusted.

>>51459946
That stupid asshole who burned his minis later started playing Sigmarines.

What the fuck is burning yours minis going to do anyway? It's not going to unbuy your army and GW is not going to care.

>>51459966
But that anon is also correct.
Why do you think they are doing Made To Order? They're taking advantage of leftover interest in old models.

If they resurrect the Goblin Hewer like rumors currently have it, then it won't feature in AoS. It will be to sell to those who wanted one but never got it (AKA Fantasyfags). They do this at a greatly increased price and only make it available for a week, maybe longer if they decide Made To Order is a great business model past the current experimentation period. But it still happens.

>>51459995
>That stupid asshole who burned his minis later started playing Sigmarines.

Holy shit this is golden.

>>51459995
I think it was more of a vent for great frustration than anything actually meant to achieve anything.

Also, the first guy to burn his army is playing The 9th Age. Lord Tremendous. Not Stormcast, that was a later guy who copied the first.

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>>51460010
Its not true.
Lord Tremendous burned his Skaven army in protest, and was the first of a few to burn armies. He plays T9A now using mostly third party minis.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Tremendous027

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>>51459744
There was also a HUGE barrier to entry, since the rules were a mess and once you figured them out, the meta blatantly favored swarm tactics...which just so happened to be the most expensive armies. Funny coincidence, that.

Of course, there are other downsides to the swarm meta: tons of assembly, and the painting...

>>51460049
This.

Instead of AoS, they just needed to push Warhammer Skirmish. Include a copy of the rules of that with the starter sets, and market it as the first step.

Like X-Wing. X-Wing tells you that one you finish playing starter set games with two TIE and one X-Wing that you should aim for the standard game size, 100 points. Then tells you the next game size up that has the big ships like the Tantive IV is 200-300 points.

That's what Fantasy should have done. Include the rules for Skirmish, say that its point size 500-1500, then say that Fantasy Battles is 1500-3000.

>>51460083
They could market it as "two games in one!"

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Oh hai, wuts goin on in dissa thread?

>>51460426
In reality, who in GW looked at the Pigmys and thought, "This is a great idea. This will sell millions!".

>>51460719
there was a time when things weren't supposed to sell millions

>>51460719

This is GW, what did you expect?
Rationality?

Didn't there used to be a WFRP General?


I've been looking at running a campaign, and was hoping to get some pdfs, but I haven't seen it for a while...

>>51460885
This is it.

The wfrp general comes and goes, only way to keep it permanent is to fold it in with the wfb one

>>51459859
Chaos (Warriors mostly)

>>51459859

Actually I think >>51459949 has a point, Chaos was the initial favourite but more recently its Skaven.

The more recent army books tended to gloss over the "chaotic inventions go BOOM!" aspect and low morale of Skaven armies. Those fucking huge LD10 skaven blocks and super spells... nasty shit.

>>51460885
WFRP is a core part of this general, all books/pdfs should be in OP's pastebin

>>51460083
no AoS do good for the investors AND cleaned all WHFB grognard that plagued the hobby. its win/win

>>51460885
pdf links can be found in the OP, are you missing something in particular?

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Would you protect this beard?

>>51461962
I do wonder why if dwarves are so protective of their beards, they don't cover them up. It seems like an axe or sword would ruin them.

>>51462261
Hair as thick as a dwarf beard seems like it would be really hard to cut through
Plus, you have the angry midget to contend with before you can do any beard chopping

>>51462261
Some dwarf helmets have beard armor.

>>51462261
Because there's no point to having a big dick in a society that revolves around big dicks unless everyone can see it.

>>51461922
>pdf links can be found in the OP, are you missing something in particular?

I don't see any WFRP links in the OP. It looks like its all just WHFB, So, I guess I am missing something?
(Okay, upon opening all the links, the second "resources" one is WFRP? Cool, would have been nice if it was labelled. Like, it literally doesn't say WFRP anywhere in the OP)

I've got just the basic core rules set, with GM vault, GM kit, creature guide and Edge of Night on order.

Haven't even played the FFG version yet, so still collecting materials so I can learn it well enough to run a campaign (since that's the only way I'm going to get to play it).

>>51457628
My sides.

>>51417553
>>Resources (Armybooks, Supplements, Fluff, Crunch)
>http://www.pastebin.com/8rnyAa1S
>http://www.pastebin.com/0e6RuQux

The link to the WFRP 3E torrent doesn't work for me, can anyone else access it or is it dead?

>>51458000
Actually, according to the Old Fluff, it is :P

>>51462723
That was explicitly declared non-canon.

>>51462876
Lots of shit was explicitly declared non-canon.

The whole Old World is basically non-canon at this point :P

>>51462612
That's why codpieces exist, anon.

>>51463133
Because our society no longer requires a huge cock to prove you're a man.

But if the only two marks of pride were dick size and how much gold (not wealth, gold) you have, our troops would be floppin'.

>>51462723
According to the same fluff there's Chaos Gods of Law and a neutral Chaos God destined to destroy the others, and that the Chaos Gods can act benevolently.

>>51463468
But you don't want to get kicked in the family jewels you treasure. That fucking hurts, and even if you force your way through the pain it would leave you much more ineffective. And that's not even taking decency into account, or how some troops will be too short to mass muster.

Whereas with a beard, you can risk it getting harmed without it hurting you. It's easy to freely display, no one minds showing it off, and you can always grow it longer. Notice that dwarves don't have an equivalent of a sports car to make up for stubble.

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WhFB thread?

And no love for terrain yet?
Heresy!!

>>51463752
Thread's almost dead, but I like your terrain. The stone fences especially are a nice touch, and the contrast between green and brown.