Are all superhero settings utter shit?

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I think most superhero settings are pretty cool. What I find fascinating are the settings which were created to intentionally mimic comic book universes without ever actually being one.

Sentinels of the Multiverse has become one of my favourite in that respect, since despite being a board game franchise they have a surprising amount of lore, character and continuity backing it all up, along with faux-comic pages for various events. It's really nice when someone puts in the effort into a background and setting even if it might not be entirely necessary.

>>51410121
Why can't you use capital letters or the return key?

A superhero setting kind of has to be based around superhero comics (or spinoff media like movies) to be a superhero setting. There's merit in exploring things going differently, but is a tabletop setting really the avenue for that? Even if I wanted to play a game based in a setting that looks at how superheroes would go in a different way, I'd rather just play in the Watchmen setting or something than something unrecognizable.

Actually, an RPG set in Watchmen sounds amazing, so thanks for that.

>>51410121
>why are they so cringe?

Because you're probably on the spectrum.

>is it because of /tv/?

No.

>what are the mistakes of marvel and dc?

Too many to count.

>what to avoid in superhero settings?

Asspulls and Retcons.

>can you even imagine how different shit would be if some individuals were born with superpowers ever since prehistory?

You mean like Heroes and Demigods?

>>51410476
This, the only real mistake of superheroes is a refusal to finish stories before they start a new continuity, this is why else world's and one shots often get the most attention, they have endings.

And when a story doesn't end it stops being a story, and the characters stop being characters, they become franchises and plot devices

>>51410572
Like Dragonball.

>>51410610
Basically? Yeah.

>>51410610
You know who knows how to do this? Transfomers. When a story reaches its end, they move on telling either a new story in that universe, detached from the previous conflict, or they move to a whole new universe to explore different ideas and events without bogging down the previous story

>>51410476
>You mean like Heroes and Demigods?
I agree with the whole post, but this is something I wanted to point out specifically. The more I read, the more I'm convinced that superheroes are the myths of the modern age. The basic premise of both boils down to essentially: People with incredible skills and abilities go on grand adventures. Though at the same time, I guess with everyone knowing about Joseph Campbell and Star Wars, it shouldn't be that surprising.

>>51410572
>>51410664
The problem with endings is that, in comics at least, we're supposed to believe we're watching these people's lives as they live and change. And while lives end, life doesn't. Imagine if Bruce Wayne actually dies. Does that mean there are no more Batman stories to tell? No, because of the people he left behind. Now Dick Grayson becomes Batman, then maybe Damian Wayne does. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people talk about how much they'd like to see the kids in the DCU grow up and start having their own adventures. Superhero comics will never really end because there's always more to tell.

>>51410922
So cape comics are inherently slice-of-life?

>>51410922
That's part of it, back to the transformers example, in Japan g1 continued with headmasters, masterforce, and victory, each a passing of the torch but never fully disconnected, often with characters fr past works rising up

In America we continued with g2 and later beast wars and beast machines, similarly passing the torch, even in their latest cartoon it's mostly focused on bumblebee rising up as a leader in his own right as the primary story of optimus had been told already

>>51411833
I wouldn't say that exactly, I think it's probably just publishers realized they can create drama through superheros' civilian lives as well as their hero lives.

>>51411952
Yeah, I think you have a point. Like, it would be entirely possible a superhero to retire then someone else takes their place or something, so I think that could work. Though on the other hand, it takes quite a while in comic book time for all that to happen. First they have to become the hero, then find a protege, train them, then retire, the repeat with the successor. I guess... I guess if it were easier to become a superhero it would be easier to tell those sorts of stories? I don't even know where I'm going with this now.

>>51412316
The issue is that years have passed and it actually feels set to pass from Bruce to Dick, Hal to kyle, Goku to Gohan, but instead of sticking to it, they play it safe and revert any progress that happens and ultimately as time passes with this, deaths reverting, mentors resuming their star role, we see a world settling into narrative stasis as nothing gets done and we stop expecting any change or conflict to matter in the end

At least characters not named prime or tron get to stay dead in transfomers consistently

>>51412645
Yeah, true. I can't tell you how pissed I was when they made Dick step down from being Batman. God, I hate all this New 52/Rebirth shit, it's just been killing all the progress that's been made. Fuck Hal, he's evil, kill him. Barry, you should've stayed dead, because it's your fault everything's fucked now. God I fucking hate silver age fanboyism.

>>51412839
I respect rebirth for one single thing, trying to move away from being fucking depressing, but honestly my favorite recent DC comic is probibly the Ame-Comi run, it was short, it was fun, it wasn't berfeet of tragedy, but it was also fairly creative with the characters it used

I've actually been running a "super hero" setting for about a year and a half now in wild talents with a custom setting.

It's kinda like comics i guess, but in practice it's more like gang warfare mixed with pro wrestling.

My advice, don't have the world continue on as normal after powers show up, they're too much of a game changer for that to really be believable unless it's literally the day after.

Also, make sure powers are well defined and consistent. It rewards planning since players can figure out counters, and makes things feel less ass pull-ish.

Also, weird and varied powers are a great idea. If you have two people who do exactly the same thing, scrap one of them.

One final thing, make sure the power matches the person. Like you don't need to do what worm does where the power is directly a by product of the person's personality, but don't do what comics do where the power could belong to anyone else and still make sense

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>>51413041
Wait, recenty? Didn't Ame-Comi come out a few years ago? Jesus, it's been so long since I've actually read any DC or Marvel comic. Really the only comic I bother with now is the Transformers comics from IDW. Because like the anon said, they actually fucking go somewhere (even though he was talking about the cartoons, the same applies to the comics). And MTMTE has some of the best writing I've ever seen.

And speaking of Transformers cartoons, I'm sorry, but I didn't like Prime at all. I honestly think Rescue Bots is better.

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>>51413101
>Also, make sure powers are well defined and consistent.
Fucking christ, thank you. Ill-defined powers are probably my biggest pet peeve right under "Status Quo is God".

>don't do what comics do where the power could belong to anyone else and still make sense
I don't really understand what you mean by this though.

>>51410121
You posted this same exact thread like 5 days ago. Word for word. Give it a rest.

>>51413192
sorry yeah i always have a hard time explaining that bit.

Think about the flash for example. Why is his power super speed? Looking at his character, super speed doesn't really tie into anything going on in his life. It's just something he got in a freak accident.

What i guess im trying to say is, why did that specific character get that specific power? Make them fit, it makes for better characters most of the time

>>51413255
So... every character has to be given a power for a specific reason? So, no mutants or metahumans, no aliens, no Spider-Man, etc.? That seems... I really don't like that. I mean, part of what makes characters heroes is that most of them didn't choose their powers, the just got them. But they decided to use them for good regardless. Maybe I'm just not understanding your point though.

>>51413192
Oh man, early-mid 1990s Image Comics are just the best.

>>51413211
Learn to ignore threads you don't like.

>>51413344
i meant more like giving general powers a flavor that fits the person, but yeah like i said i suck at explaining that bit

not exactly tailoring the power exactly to them, but no matter what the power is it's going to reflect it's user in some way. Like, how do they use it? Do they try to be non lethal? have they thought of any unique applications for that power that others wouldn't have thought of?

(English isn't my first language, let me know if that makes sense)

>>51410121
go read Worm
setting doesn't have a lot of the issues that others have

>>51413442
What are the "issues" that other "superhero settings" have? Honestly, I wish people would stop saying "superhero settings" because that doesn't really mean much, it could mean almost anything. Sure, most of them fall under "like reality unless noted" but then you get oddballs like Prophet or Rai.

>>51413442
dude worm is one of the best settings i've seen in a while. i actually used it as a source of inspiration for a game im running

>>51413429
I think I can kinda see what you mean. I'm still not in total agreement though, since "Bad Powers, Good People" and the inversion can always be interesting. Like, say you have a pacifist. An actual pacifist, would never throw a punch in his life. Now, something like creating psychic barriers would make sense, he can shield himself and others from harm. But let's say he gets a power like killing anyone he touches. Seeing how that person copes with that, and how their powers change them, can also be interesting to see.

Honestly, I'm kinda tired of "Oh, the guy with fire powers is a hothead, and the guy with ice powers is cold and analytic." Sure, it fits the characters, but it's been done so much I just want to see something, anything else.

>>51413153
That's fair, RiD probably won't be your cup either, that said I only avoided the excellent comics to speak in layman's terms

>>51413192
That was something I've always wanted to see with superman, seriously play up his solar resivour and make it core to fucking everything, use too much heat vision, he can't fly as far, etc.

>>51413402
I really have the image of... Image as being everything wrong with the 90's, but I have to admit that I loved Supreme, and actually really enjoyed some of their relaunched titles like Prophet and Bloodstrike. Do you have any recommendations for good Image comics?

>>51413611
Yes, I realize why you didn't bring them up, because they don't follow the "new story, same world" thing you were trying to demonstrate.

>>51413442
Too depressing

>>51413563
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the "hot head with fire powers" thing is also a pet peeve of mine. Worm's trigger event system is a good example of what im trying to describe

like, a girl is stressed that her parents are getting divorced, so she triggers and gets a power to force them back together, except its the ability to compress space (brings them physically back together, but not emotionally)

or a dude who's dad is dying of bone cancer, and what he wants most is to be by his side and have more time with him, so he gets the ability to stop things in time for a few minutes if he touches them.

so you don't really get the power you want, but it still kinda fits in an asshole genie sort of way

>>51410121
I would love to play in a humorous campaign where we act as attention whoring vigilantes with a large costume budget with equally ridiculous enemies.
Think more towards Tiger and Bunny and less Marvel and DV.
Could be a lot of fun as long nobody try to use the campaign to insert any awkward Aesop fable bullshit.

>>51413631
Heh, sort of like how dragonball is both everything right and wrong about fighting anime

>>51413669
It's based on very base computer like interpretation of the mental desire

>>51413692
yes exactly

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>>51413627
Go for it man. Make a character with the powers and go full weird with it, like stating outright he's a plant person or something. But I do want to point out that "too much heat vision" was actually a problem with The Eradicator when he was around. He had to wear special glasses because he was ultra-sensitive to sunlight, and he could fire blasts from his hands rather than just his eyes.

>>51413669
>>51413692
Huh, that does sound interesting. Been meaning to read Worm for a while, I just never get around to it.

>>51413725
It's more something you take ideas from than enjoy reading.

>>51413742
also sadly correct

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>>51413631
>I really have the image of... Image as being everything wrong with the 90's, but I have to admit that I loved Supreme, and actually really enjoyed some of their relaunched titles like Prophet and Bloodstrike. Do you have any recommendations for good Image comics?

I know that it's probably mainly nostalgia, but I was 12 in 1992, and for a kid in the middle of flyover country whose only exposure to comics was the Marvel, DC, and Archie titles that my local grocery store carried on their single spindle rack, the new presence of Image Comics with their glossy paper, vaguely Japanimation artwork, sexy girls in skimpy costumes, and actual red (not CCA-approved black) blood was a tremendous shock.

My favorite Image title of all time is The Maxx, which doesn't exactly fit neatly into the rest of the shared setting, but whatever.

Based on the titles you named, I would suggest checking out Gen13. Start at the beginning with the miniseries. You might also like the original run of Stormwatch.

If you want to venture further down the rabbit hole, check out PRIME and some of the other Valiant/Malibu capeshit titles that were launched around the same time as Image was formed. PRIME was pretty neat because it took the traditional Shazam story of "nerdy boy who can transform into a superman" but set it in a semi-realistic 1990s where the kid gets bullied by bigger kids, gets mocked by girls, and generally has a miserable life that's slightly easier to relate to than Peter Parker's high school career.

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>>51413672
Read Hero 9 to 5. It's a parody of superhero comics where all the male supers are ripped and the female supers have giant breasts, and there's a douche in the Avengers/JLA analogue who brags about being brought back to life so many times that Jesus has nothing on him.

>>51413742
>>51413757
Really? So, good ideas, poor execution? What's the problem exactly, dry narration, slow pace?

>>51413768
Not that anon, but the entire Reign of the Supermen arc was designed specifically to justify the creation of a bunch of #1 FIRST ISSUE COLLECTOR'S ITEM COLLECTABLE TRADING CARD INCLUDED polybagged foil cover bullshit.

>>51413725
Interesting, my primary inspiration was the Ripple/Hamon power of the sun punching powers and how that could tie with his ability to absorb yellow sun power, I also had an origin to explain why they looked so human, inspired by a previous variant of superman, the man of tomorrow, that title from what I have read is because in earlier drafts he was literally a man of tomorrow, kinda like what booster gold pretends to be, but I like the last son of krypton too, so I decided that Clark would actually be the second superman

I don't want to go too deep into it, but a time loop is involved that ties the supermen, krypton, brainiac, and doomsday all together

>>51413768
it was the author's first go at writing a book, and the inexperience shows. plus its a web serial so it's 100% first draft quality

I'd still say its a decent read though, and i actually like some of his later stuff a lot

that being said, i do think worm is a must read if you're going to make a super hero setting, it's that solid

>>51413768
Why should he brag about being incompetent enough to need to be resurrected that often?

>>51413766
Oh wow, you really lived in a different era.

I think I actually downloaded The Maxx a while ago, just never got around to reading it.

Heard of Gen13 and Stormwatch. Wait, aren't those DC series? Oh wait, those are titles they bought later, right? OK, just please tell me Stormwatch isn't like The Authority, which I know is a continuation of Stormwatch, because I started reading The Authority recently, and it had some of the worst narration I've ever seen in a comic. Anyway, loved DV8: Gods and Monsters, so I hope Gen13 is good.

Prime might be interesting. Have to admit, I've only heard of it from people mocking how bad the costume is.

>>51410121
>why are they so cringe? is
I blame the Comic Book Code. and the fact that Companies don't want to kill off valuable IP.

So you get 2 dimensional character that aren't' allowed to fail, die or grow in any meaningful way.

A lot of the more indi stuff is pretty good, but some of it is a bit grim derp as a reaction to main stream cape stuff, like Worm or The Boys.

>>51413803
Uh... yeah, I know that. Why did you bring that up?

>>51413806
Yeah, I think in that case it would be better to make a setting of analogues so you don't have to be bogged down by previous continuity.

>>51413823
>100% first draft quality
Wait, what? I'm not exactly a writer myself, but I would never put my first draft out as a finished product. I mean, you have a schedule to keep, but still...

>>51413827
It's not like supers die just because they're dumb. Sometimes they go out saving the entire world. He was just drawing an analogy between himself and Jesus through resurrection, and said that he has more right to be worshiped because, if Jesus gets worshiped for combing back once, and the super came back twice, why worship Jesus over the super?

>>51413872
>I blame the Comic Book Code
Personally, I don't think superheroes would exist without the Code. I don't like it at all, but still. I mean, because of the Code and Seduction of the Innocent, pretty much all comic book genres except superheroes died off. It is really shitty how companies, like DC, used the Code to put their competition out of business though.

>>51413495
Retcons

>Tech Inconsistencies (and this one PISSES ME OFF THE HARDEST)
"if there are super-genius people out there, building shit with REAL SCIENCE and writing shit down as they do. then why are there STILL not affordable flying cars" because once you have the science to tony-stark, you can engineer SO MANY THINGS. if you can make an adaptable AI and can create more than one then you can change labor dynamics. mass-less propulsion systems(Iron-mans thrusters) means there is no real barrier to distant space travel and no reason not to be colonizing Mars.

>power-bloat
this happened to superman who started as just "a man who can fly, is really tough, and really strong" became a almost totally god-like entity that only loses when he fights with a handicap.

>Immortality side effects (what I call the Elf Conundrum)
if there are immortals that have been around since the dawn of time there would be an effect on events. even a self-policing group would have a few troublemakers, and they would have caused trouble sooner than just the current era(as is nearly always the case with comic book settings)

>Primordial powers
if people with superpowers have been around so long there would be a few more craters and a few less mountains. because conflict is a very human thing. they'd be the super-weapons of most eras. even people on the order of Jessica Jones, The Punisher, Spider Man or Dare Devil. the "street-level" powers. it means that more dictators, tyrants, governmental leaders etc. etc. would have been assassinated through history severely changing it everyplace.

>>51413651
yeah, well, so is a lot of the world. if you want to setting build you have to keep that in mind.

and as far as settings go, Worm is solidly built enough to bounce planets off of.

>>51413518
>i actually used it as a source of inspiration for a game im running
do tell?

>>51413827
>>51413952
Also note that his entire character was being an arrogant asshole, so it's not like his statement was supposed to make much sense anyway.

>>51413968
Personally, I've always just had the idea that the super world is more or less like or world because the superheroes and supervillains just sorta cancel each other out. Sure, a supergenius might be able to devote all his time making a cure to AIDS, but then how would he save the world from the supervillain's newest doomsday weapon? But really, at the end of the day, it's just a consequence of the medium. It's the same reason supervillains can't stay locked up forever, because then you'll have comics about Superman mowing the lawn and typing up news reports. Not exactly the THRILLING TALES OF ADVENTURE comics try to be.

>>51413952
Yeah, the code was definitely a reflection of the times, but it's hard to deny that it stifled creativity.

>>51413952
it was written "live" the guy spent about a week on each chapter and then uploaded it, but yhing is he'd worked on the setting for about 10 years before hand so it's both incredibly fleshed out and not at the same time

>>51413968
>"if there are super-genius people out there, building shit with REAL SCIENCE and writing shit down as they do. then why are there STILL not affordable flying cars" because once you have the science to tony-stark, you can engineer SO MANY THINGS. if you can make an adaptable AI and can create more than one then you can change labor dynamics. mass-less propulsion systems(Iron-mans thrusters) means there is no real barrier to distant space travel and no reason not to be colonizing Mars.
Yeah. This is very true.
Even if Stark tech is patented. He's got to be a total rube, not to be producing the tech for consumer use and making a huge profit before the patents lapse, or someone straight up steals the tech.

>>51413968
>>51414028
And as for retcons, as long as the retcon is better than the thing it's replacing, I really don't mind. Like, I don't think anyone's mourning the loss of the Falcon being a pimp.

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>>51413869
DV8 is a spinoff of Gen13 featuring the edgy evil version of the Gen13 kids.

Stormwatch is a bit like The Authority in the sense that they're a UN-sponsored superhero team with a satellite headquarters.

>Wait, aren't those DC series? Oh wait, those are titles they bought later, right?
It was seriously disconcerting to see Grifter appear in a DC cartoon. I loved the WildC.A.Ts cartoon.

Oh! Check out WILDC.A.T.s too. You'll probably recognize some of the characters (like Grifter) from before they were bought by DC.

Pitt was decent, but the creator had some major issues with getting his shit turned in on time.

If you REALLY want to go nuts, I can upload my copies of Alan Moore's "1963" later today. This was a parody of the Silver Age comics, specifically the poor treatment of writers and artists by the editors. The scans I have are missing the (fake) ads and letter columns, which is a shame because that's where the most dense comedy is buried. It was originally designed as a six-issue miniseries that was supposed to culminate in a crossover with the modern 1993 Image characters, but there were some disagreements between the different creators, some people couldn't get their parts turned in on time, and eventually the project collapsed before the crossover could be produced.

I know I said The Maxx was my favorite, but 1963 is a close second.

>>51413968
>severely changing it everyplace.
Yeah. That's why I tend to keep the rise of Supes relatively recent.

Maybe a handful in WW2 with a reason why they disappeared, and a handful more for Cold War era stuff.

Recently ran some one shots in an ongoing campaign in WW2. Basically the characters play as super heroes and have to stop Axis Heroes and super tech to keep WW2 on track.

>>51413968
mostly the whole "people influence the powers" and a certain... well that one character that spoils everything to even talk about. basically think if it was just eden when things went wrong, as a result the system is kinda different, case 53's are just a "natural" thing that happens and arent really understood by most of the setting

biggest change is i also took a lot of inspiration from roadside picnic, so artifacts (really minor powers usually) are also a thing, and at least some of humanity was able to at least see something coming a few years in advance

I'd need to do a write up to explain it really, a summary just makes it sound like a cluster fuck sorry

>>51413872
You know the Code hasn't existed for several years, right

>>51413952
>Uh... yeah, I know that. Why did you bring that up?
Because you asked somebody what the problem with Reign of the Supermen was.

>>51413725
>I just never get around to it.
go for it.

it gets better by chapter 3 or 4

>>51413742
this is also true

>>51413823
>so it's 100% first draft quality
eh, he's been systematically editing things.
I'd say it's almost down to 88% First Draft Quality

>>51413952
>I mean, you have a schedule to keep, but still...
the schedule he kept was 1 chapter delivered 3 times a week WITHOUT FAIL for several years...
he had no time for a lot of editing he was to busy coming up with stuff.
now he has to edit a 1.65 million word monstrosity all on his own.

>>51414028
perhaps you have a point.
however you'd still have a LOT more political killings because heroes kill/imprison 'badguy' leaders and villains kill/imprison 'good guy' leaders.

>>51414075
but it isn't always...

>>51414069
this is the biggest hedgehog in my prostate because I HAVE an engineering degree.
the scene in the first Iron Man movie where he'd designing the Mark-2 gave me the BIGGEST BONER.
not because of the suit but because of the graphical design program he had access to.
really.
just that software and the hardware to run it would net him Billions of dollars.
that was a nearly INSIGNIFICANT detail in the whole movie...

>>51414114
ah, the Captain America type.
these work, but as you go back further and further in time you have to weaken powers more and more. this bugs me.

>>51414141
>well that one character that spoils everything to even talk about
I need more context clues...
the Barefoot Contessa?

>>51414216
the garden of eden and zion the promised land, but also yes

>>51410121
cringe isn't a fucking adjective you god damn abortion of a human

>>51414144
I'm well aware of that.

But now there's a lot of content for children using the same IP. If they've got tiny titains and Saturday Morning cartoons, they can't really have extra dark content with the same characters for adults using the same IP.

They could create new capes for more adult stories, but the major players seem loath to try and launch (and support) new things.

>>51414267
I see.

this metaphor/code banter is kind of fun...

>>51414216
also, capes as they exist in worm are present, but are rare. really rare, and they stopped showing up over time

>>51414308
it is isnt it?

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>>51414107
I know DV8 is a Gen13 spinoff, that's why I mentioned it. But really, Gods and Monsters, I love that comic. Hmm, I think it was like the last thing Wildstorm did too.

I've read WildCats Version 3.0, and it's honestly one of my favorite comics of all time. I've been meaning to read the other volumes as well. I started volume 2, but I had no idea what was going on half the time.

Thanks for the offer, but 1963 is on ReadComic, so I'm fine. Yeah, I do despise silver age fanboyism, so I really love how Alan Moore, in Supreme at least, is able to show off the strengths and weaknesses of the era. He's really not afraid to make fun of some of the crazy stuff they did. It just comes off as far more genuine than the fanboy stuff does. Oh good lord, the absolute worst I've seen of trying to emulate an era, though it was the golden age, would be that Gail Simone comic about retired superheroes, I forget the name. Absolutely disgusting, she barely makes an effort. I think any real comic book fan with even a passing knowledge of the golden age would realize how superficial her rendering of it is.

>>51414144
I was asking about Worm.

>>51414216
>the schedule he kept was 1 chapter delivered 3 times a week WITHOUT FAIL for several years...
Scheiße... And here I am, barely able to keep up a journal.

>but it isn't always...
Yes, unfortunately. Like retconning Falcon to being a pimp in the first place, for example. But just like tropes, retconning is a tool, it can be used for good or bad.

>these work, but as you go back further and further in time you have to weaken powers more and more. this bugs me.
Pfft, why? We were talking about myths and legends earlier, just use that.

>>51410805
Well duh. You just figured that out?

>>51414307
>But now there's a lot of content for children using the same IP. If they've got tiny titains and Saturday Morning cartoons, they can't really have extra dark content with the same characters for adults using the same IP.
Oh, I see what you meant.

>>51414334
I don't think I ever actually read any DV8, just an issue of Gen13 where they appeared.

>>51414216
>the biggest hedgehog in my prostate
Worm had a pretty alright explaination for it.

I sort of preferred the idea that whatever causes super intelligence (mutation, cosmic rays whatever) also causes an intense urge to hoard technology.

Now I really want to play a Superhero game

What's your favorite power level for games?

Street Level?
Normal Supes?
GALACTIC Superheroes?

>>51414432
survivor that lucked into a shit power, then work your way up over a few years

>>51414432
I love the "work your way up" attitude so they can look back and think of how they never expected their life to end up there

>>51414452
So... Hunter the Reckoning?

>>51414452
>work your way
>>51414452
>"work your way up

I get what you mean. But it always felt a bit weird for me. I mean you should definitely gain more skills over time. But there's only so many reasons I can think of for the characters powers to grow more potent.

>>51414432
Street-level with superpowered teenagers on the run from The Man.

I got a question, what do you think are the most under rated powers?

>>51410121
The big problem in my opinion is power creep, once power creep sets in you end up going over the deep end in an attempt to stay interesting. Oh also time travel is shit and needs to be avoided like the plague.

If our world had super powers a god race would develop and take over. The comic The Boys takes on the subject pretty well, though way to graphic for some peoples taste. The Boys is an alternate time line were the nazis created a super serum right at the end of the war, and still lose. So the US takes the serum, lets an arms manufacture see what they can do with it, and you end up with super heroes by Vietnam. It gets fucked up and shows how headanistic super powered indivduals could get. The Boys is named after the group the CIA puts together to put the fear of god in to the heroes to keep them in line.

>>51414432
Kind of want to do a super hero game with a twist.

Like Post Apocoplytic+ Supes
or Supes+ Zombie Outbreak
or Supes set in a different time period like Medieval Europe, during the Reformation, or Cold War capes.

>>51414503
well i mean you'd obviously hit a cap. i meant mostly get as high as you can

>>51414550
Superspeed. God, I just want to see a comic where a speedster slaughters a bunch of other supers with his bare hands before they can even react. Grimderp I know, but still.

>>51414550
I wouldn't call them underrated, but any sort of Mental Powers are really terrifying. Like the world would be incredibly fucked of Xavier ended up being a bag guy.

Jessica Jones did a really good take on Mind Control.

>>51414585
I'm actually doing a sort of post apocalyptic supes game right now, my take was super gang warfare with certain high level supes trying to impose their own various interpretations of common law. It's also contained to a sort of isolated super city, so whoever "wins" the city is posed to steam roll the rest of the setting, but each district has it's own gang to over come,

>>51414372
>causes an intense urge to hoard technology.
I thought the explanation was "they don't write down how they do it, some of the components are exclusively made using a manipulator power, and since nobody is versed in the science, the only way to repair it is to give it back to the tinker that made it, or another tinker that has a compatible power."

>>51414432
street level.

>>51414334
>Pfft, why?
because there is basically nothing in ancient greece that had a snowballs chance in hell at stopping or even slowing down the likes of the Hulk or the Juggernaut. Deadpool or Wolverine just walk off every injury.

Tony Stark in the Renaissance or early Gothic era turns shit

>>51414550
the right sort of healing powers can be fucking horrifying, see shining diamond from jojo for an example, but really healing is a game changer

>>51414600
Super speed isn't that overpowered. It just gets ridiculous when it's not given any sort of cap. When they're basically the ability to stop time, they're too powerful.

>>51414585
>Supes+ Zombie Outbreak

Two suggestions:

Marvel Zombies

Afterlife with Archie It's not a capeshit series but damn is it good.

>>51414653
he was giving his own take, but yeah in worm, tinkering is an actual power, it's why a lot of tinkers aren't actually experts in their fields, their powers do most of the building for them, and tinker powers have subtle effects that mean normal people usually cant reproduce the effects even if the process is followed exactly, since a lot of fine tuning was done by the power

>>51414614
>Jessica Jones did a really good take on Mind Control.
especially the actor they picked, and how he played the role of the man in the purple suit...goddamned terrifying, and as a result, FUCKING PERFECT.

>>51414600
watch the new The Flash TV Show.
it's on netflix. even if the science and technobabble physically hurts you watch it anyway.

>>51414673
go read worm.
the character you want to look at is Amy Dallon A.K.A. Panacea.

another potentially GODDAMN HORRIFYING power

>>51414708
>he was giving his own take,
didn't catch that part.

still agree though

>>51414711
i have read worm, i just think of her power as more biokenisis than healing

>>51414673
It's crazy diamond you philistine! Also he's got nothing on gold experience

My personal for under rated powers is limited shape shifting, even if it's just one alternative form, it can make leading a double life all that much easier

>>51414653
That's worm's explanation. I was offering an alternative one.

>>51414653
>hell at stopping or even slowing down the likes of the Hulk or the Juggernaut.
Yeah, but that's what other supes are for.
>Deadpool or Wolverine just walk off every injury.
Not really. Guns give them problems, there's no reason to assume spears, arrows and swords wouldn't. Without guns or adamantium they're less powerful too.

>>51414696
I've read it. I really liked it.
I wish they did more.

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>>51414585
>>51414585
Playing around with time periods is always fun. Zombies... ugh, no thanks.

>>51414614
>Jessica Jones did a really good take on Mind Control.
To be fair, I haven't seen the show, but I think there are a lot better uses for mind control than rape.

>>51414653
What? You're talking about a setting where literal gods and monsters exist. I mean, you realize you're talking about a time period where people with superhuman abilities were killed, and you're saying that others with superhuman abilities can't be killed here? Why would you say that?

>Tony Stark in the Renaissance or early Gothic era turns shit
Why? Just because you can't think of a way to do it well, doesn't mean it can't be done well.

>street level.
You know, I really don't want to say that this explains everything, but... I think this explains everything. Could you please do me a favor and read Marvel 1602? It's only eight issues long.

>>51415379
>1602
It was great. I loved it.

I think Tony Stark would be great in either of those periods. A rich noble with davinci esque gadgets.

I could even see the iconic Ironman suit (unpowered) with a glider attached and rockets slapped on for limited flight.

>>51415379
>To be fair, I haven't seen the show, but I think there are a lot better uses for mind control than rape.
I think it's more about how the show approached having a powerful mind-controller character, as anyone who's watched the x-men animated series knows most shows pull out some serious bullshit to stop them insta-winning

>>51415457
>I think Tony Stark would be great in either of those periods. A rich noble with davinci esque gadgets.
>I could even see the iconic Ironman suit (unpowered) with a glider attached and rockets slapped on for limited flight.

There was a DC Elseworlds issue from the 1990s where Batman was born during the Renaissance. You might enjoy it.

>>51415532
Hmm, I guess you have a point. Oh god, now that you talk about bullshit, there was this guy, Mister X. Basically his power is "always wins a fight". You wouldn't believe how flimsy some of the excuses for his losing were.

>>51415619
>"always wins a fight"
That should be fairly easy to defeat though.
Just make him win enough Pyrrhic victories, until he gives up.

>>51415379
>but I think there are a lot better uses for mind control than rape.
more like "full use of a hot girl who is also capable of flipping trucks with little to no exertion"
and the character of the purple man makes "a companion" a justifiable goal...

>>51415457
> suit (unpowered) with a glider attached and rockets slapped on for limited flight.
immersion broken, consult your nearest univeristy physics dept. for a book beatdown...

>>51415379
>Tony Stark in the Renaissance or early Gothic era turns shit
oh, I didn't finish the scentence...add "complicated and overpowered" to the end of that phrase...

>marvel 1602
I'll look it up.

>You know, I really don't want to say that this explains everything, but... I think this explains everything.
???
I was expressing a preference here. not contributing to a debate...

>>51415619
>always wins a FIGHT
there are ways around this, don't fight him, or give him nothing to fight.
unless this includes silly conceptual shit like "legal BATTLES" or any kind of competition.(don't know the character)

>>51415684
also yes.

>>51415865
>univeristy physics dept. for a book beatdown.
Kek
It's supes. None of them pay any attention to physics.

Besides a glider+rocket engine isn't that far from the realm of possibility.

>>51414432
I love the scrapper with an apparently weak but versatile power. I enjoy seeing how they would use their power to get out of situations others can't. I think that's why I never really got into opm, actually. Once you can solve pretty much any fight with one punch or otherwise weirdly op powers, it just gets boring as hell. I like seeing people lose, find out what they did wrong, and then come back for round 2.

>>51415865
>oh, I didn't finish the scentence...add "complicated and overpowered" to the end of that phrase...
I repeat my previous statement where I express a belief that it can be done well. And just to make it clear, I will define "done well" here as to exclude anything that renders the character complicated and/or overpowered.

>I was expressing a preference here. not contributing to a debate...
OK, maybe I'm completely off, but the things I here from you remind me of people who think superhero comics are dumb and childish, and think that the only part of it worth reading is the street level, very gritty stuff. Basically, these are the people who only read Punisher MAX and The Boys. I do accept I could be entirely wrong about you though, just trying to explain why I said what I said.

>>51415684
>>51415865
>Mister X
He's a street level guy and he's addicted to the feeling of killing people. I honestly don't think he'd ever stop fighting unless he was up against a super he knew he couldn't beat. Then again, the comic I'm taking all this from didn't exactly have stellar writing.

>>51416032
>Once you can solve pretty much any fight with one punch or otherwise weirdly op powers, it just gets boring as hell. I like seeing people lose, find out what they did wrong, and then come back for round 2.
That's a lot of shonen in a nutshell.
>Trains, fights until he loses, trains some more, rinse and repeat.

>>51416032
>I love the scrapper with an apparently weak but versatile power.
Examples?

>>51411833
All character based stories are inherently slice-of-life, the people just happen to live in interesting times.

>>51416064
It didn't even have to be training to be honest. A lot of powers can me mitigated with preperation.

>>51416051
>but the things I here from you remind me of people who think superhero comics are dumb and childish.
nah, I have a Science Degree and a hard-on for real tech with real science, seeing shit like some of the supers out there breaks my suspension of disbelief like a half-brick through a church window.

I can appreciate a good story, but I like it more if they would stay out my good clean science. I could watch Iron Man because he broad-stroked a lot of things. but the "particle accelerator built inside a house" was almost too much. I like Dare Devil, Hawk-Eye, Black Widow, Arrow, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and The Punisher because there is little in the way of actually justifying powers. just extraordinary people being extraordinary

>and think that the only part of it worth reading is the street level, very gritty stuff.
nope, I just care less about "Billions/Millions/Thousands of mostly unnamed people saved", than I do over "Dozens/Handfuls/Individuals saved". small stories, small powers, little to no fanfare.

>I do accept I could be entirely wrong about you though, just trying to explain why I said what I said.
noted, understood, and perfectly fine.

>>51413255
Personality based powers are shit in a cape setting. That's how you get crap like;

>HOT-BLOODED FIRE GUY
>Ice Queen Ice Queen
>Stubborn Mountain Man
>Flighty Wind Woman.

It works if some people are like that, but if everyone's like that it's awful.

>>51410121
>/tv/ shrieking about capeshit

jesus christ how many threads have we had on this

>>51414680
>Super speed isn't that overpowered.
>It just gets ridiculous when it's not given any sort of cap.
How is that not OP?

>>51414550
Super-senses of any kind; sight, hearing, etc.

>>51414653
>nothing in ancient greece that had a snowballs chance in hell at stopping or even slowing down the likes of the Hulk or the Juggernaut.
Hercules has literally fought and beaten both of them, Thor has as well.

>>51416339
>ersonality based powers are shit in a cape setting.
Agreed. I think it's more interesting to see ones that have little or no reflection on their personality, or are the opposite.

>>51416481
That's like saying fire based powers are OP, because you can set everything in the known universe on fire.

Or mind control is overpowered because you can control everyone in the entire world to kill themselves simultaneously.

Or that flight is overpowered because you can destroy the planet when you decide to move at faster than light speeds.

None of those powers are bad, if they're given limitations. Super speed is one that, for no apparent reason, is rarely given any sort of limitation or power cap.

>>51410121
Just ones that try to be everything at once, like Marvel and DC.

>can you even imagine how different shit would be if some individuals were born with superpowers ever since prehistory?
That's the setting of Amazon's treatment of 'The Tick'.

>>51416634
Don't forget super strength is OP because you can use it to throw the earth into the sun.

Same with telekinesis.

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>>51416653
>can you even imagine how different shit would be if some individuals were born with superpowers ever since prehistory?
Why would it be so different? Maybe we'd have ancient tales of extraordinary creatures, or people with extraordinary abilities. Wow, could you imagine?

>>51417022
Pretty much this.

Since this is now sort of a Super Hero Gen.

Got any cool character ideas you've been wanting to try out?

Can always use more ideas for NPCs and Villains.

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>>51417396
Been wanting to do a Dr.Dinosaur knock off.

Also
>"Socrates"
>An advanced ai/robot of unknown origin.
>Found sweeping the halls of the local university.
>When asked why he responded
>"Seemed like the thing to do at the time"
>Claims to have no memory before he found himself holding a broom in the middle of the university library.

>>51416332
OK, I can see the appeal in that. So, out of curiosity what are your favorite comics? And how do you rate Marvel's Netflix shows? In my opinion, Daredevil Season 1 is still the show to beat. Season 2 was good, but I felt like the Punisher was... I dunno, just too good to be in a show that wasn't his own.

>>51417396
I've had this idea in my head for a while about what's basically an Aqualad expy. Moderate super strength and toughness, gills, that sort of stuff. But he also has control over water, and he's a surfer. So his main method of travel is using his control over water to create a small flying wave that he surfs on. I dunno, I just liked the concept of it.

>>51410121

I think the major problem is the order of creation. The writers/artists come up with the hero first and then work backwards to create a world and villains that fit them.

All you have to do to fix that is start with the setting, not the characters.

>>51417803
But the setting for superhero comics is so often "Like reality unless noted." How would you change the setting then?

>>51410121
What if there were no superpowers, but secret identities were common?

>>51417771
>bearing in mind I don't read comics in high volumes

Deadpool
>down to earth
>jaunty
>action seems to focus more on small places/spaces

The Darkness(only the first dozen or so volumes)
>it may be a primordial power (see>>51413968) but it's not an immortal character with 1000s of years of fucking about.

just starting some of the Daredevil comics(because of netflix)
mostly I just read stuff that looks good on the shelf at the half-price bookstore. I also read SOME anime and lots of books, but I've been in a slump because unemployed.

>rate the Netflix(I'll include the other superhero shows I watch)
gonna say.
Daredevil season1
>they picked really good for Wilson Fisk
Jessica Jones
>fantastic presentation of a villain
The Flash season 1
>a really Feel-Good lighthearted supers show, pretty good soundtrack.
Luke Cage
>I don't think I am black enough to appreciate all of this show. (I am strongly reminded of Michael Carpenter from the Dresden files)
Daredevil season 2
>the Punisher was cool, but all that shit with The Hand bugged me pretty hard
The Flash season 2
>like season 1 but with more darkness. loses more points with the technobabble
Arrow season 1
>nothing TOO crazy. dark, gritty, and flavorful series.
DCs Legends
>the Crazy Train starts here
and then any subsequent season of Arrow
>there are no brakes on the crazy train

can't wait for either the Iron Fist show, or the combo show they are going to do using Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and Iron Fist

>>51417771
Saw a villian team sort of like that. One was a sort of water elemental, and there was a due with wind powers who rode him via a surfboard.

>>51418015
I can dig it. Sort of like the Watchmen sans the blue guy.

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>>51418015
I think I have something for you. I didn't get too deep into it, but the premise seems to be that the anonymity (you) love was destroyed, so now people try to be anonymous not just online, but in their everyday lives as well.

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>>51410121
Superheroes are best done when treated as a fun adventure rather than some edgy social commentary for mature adults like myself

FFS niggers running around in tights beating up the mentally ill and poor

It's a joke

>>51418247
>beating up the mentally ill and poor
You say it like it's bad thing.

>>51418391
Ancapball pls

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>>51418155
>Deadpool
Yeah, one of the more recent series I thought was pretty cool, with Shiklah and Deadpool's daughter. Seeing the relationship with Evan carry over from Uncanny X-Force was a definite plus. Actually, yeah, I think UXF was really good at merging the completely fantastic elements of comics, with the grittier, darker elements. Loses steam after the Dark Angel Saga though.

>The Darkness
I tried getting into that a while ago, couldn't do it. Though that was much later in the series, after some confusing crap about rebooting the universe happened.

>Daredevil
Mark Waid was annoying, but the guy doing it now is pretty good.

Wait, you... you buy comic books? Seriously?

>Flash
Really good, last season dragged though, and Barry's behavior kinda gets annoying now in Season 3. Technobabble generally doesn't bug me much, unless it's something I know is wrong. Like, in Star Trek when they say something like "Oh, we use plasma, they just use ionized gas."

>Arrow
Season 1 was good, 2 was better, 3 not so good, 4 was a fucking chore. 5 is middling. I honestly don't really care at this point if it gets cancelled or not.

>Luke Cage
Good show, but I felt like it dragged on a bit too long. Loved the pimp stormtrooper outfit though.

>Legends
Watched an episode or two, gave up. Time travel is a definite turn-off for me.

>>51418247
>social commentary
I hate social commentary in any entertainment. Like, I want to be entertained, I don't want to sit here and have you lecture me about how you think the world should be. Oh my god, I'm getting Starship Troopers flashbacks.

>>51410922
Dick and Damian's "Batman and Robin" is the most interesting the Batman comics have been the last decade. Bruce should've stayed dead and fuck anyone who says otherwise.

>>51418155
>>51418440
I feel all the Netflix Marvel series shit their pants for the last episode.
Kilgrave sucked the last episode of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage sucked after Cottonmouth died but it became complete shit once Diamondback became a prominent character, the rooftop fight in Daredevil season 2 is among the most boring shit I've seen in a season finale. The lackluster season finale of Daredevil season 1 almost looks good compared to the complete shit final episodes that followed it.

>>51410174

SOTM is pretty damn fantastic. Mostly because it doesn't try to be edgy bullshit like Worm or a 'This is a depressing social commentary'. It knows what it wants to be: A good, enjoyable superhero setting that embraces the serious and the goofy in equal measure.

I mean, it's hard to not look at The Luminary's 'Taken out' card and feel a bit sad for the former Baron Blade but it's also got stuff like Guise or half of Sky-Scraper's shenanigans.

>>51418747
You're right about Luke Cage.

I liked the endings for Jessica Jones and Daredevil Season 1.

>>51419220
>edgy bullshit like Worm
Worm wasn't even a little edgy.

>>51419336
Other than the final hallway shot I struggle to name a single thing I liked about Jessica Jones' final episode. Too me it was a complete trainwreck that made the build up of the entire series feel completely wasted.

>>51419345

It literally has a scene where they kill a baby. It's pretty edgy.

>>51419419
>Bad guys do bad things
It's not really edgy unless those things are accepted as good or necessary.

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>>51420065

I dunno. Things can be edgy without them being seen as the good thing.

As the counterpoint: Nemesis, a terrible edgy comic. The villain did this.

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>>51420189
I think it was after Nemesis I decided to just give up on Millar. Hmm, might have to read The Unfunnies to see him at his worst though.

>>51420280

Oh god, the Unfunnies. I'd purged that from my mind.

>>51420189
I read the whole thing as tongue in cheek and enjoyed it. Taken at face value (admittedly the intended way), it's a shit show

>>51420189
Don't forget that the villain impregnated the girl with her brother's sperm.

>>51420336
Do you read ASBAR the same way?

>>51414585
You know how TSR created iconic D&D settings for 2e? Stuff like Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, etc?

I wonder what a TSR era D&D Superhero setting would be like.

>>51414648
You do remember that time Hercules held up the world on his shoulders, right?

>>51420358

>her brother's sperm
Her GAY brother's sperm to be precise. Everyone's getting violated!

>>51420541
It's always funny to read about mythology and realize how ancient people knew fuck-all about how the world actually worked. Like the Greek legend about some guy with two fathers or something, because his mother fucked both of them in the same night.

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>>51418015
Then you have pulp novel "masked mystery men." Good shit.

>>51420632
I know, right? Or how Chinese and Indian mythology have units of time that are simply beyond the scope of the existence of the human species? Now I'm thinking of the Monkey King leaping greater distances than the circumference of the Earth.

>>51420691
I still never understand the oddly specific numbers you see in some Asian mythologies. Like, how did they even calculate some of these numbers?

>>51416634
>because you can set everything in the known universe on fire.
You'll run into natural barriers like a lack of fuel in many places.

>mind control is overpowered
Yes it is.

>flight is overpowered because you can destroy the planet when you decide to move at faster than light speeds.
That's superspeed being OP not flight, thanks for agreeing with me.

>>51416710
Super-strength, is limited by your physical range

>Telekinesis
Is indeed OP, resulting in the Green Lantern problem.

>>51420065
Heroes are specifically prevented from stopping villains from doing bad things.

>>51413442
I couldn't stand Worm, personally. It was like it didn't want to be liked, so I didn't. I just chalk up all the fanboys to the internet having no taste.

>>51422001
A few of us were discussing it earlier, and the conclusion was that while the setting is top-notch, the writing just isn't there.

>>51410121

Story board stuff like the Clone saga beforehand so it doesn't end up contradicting itself halfway through. The concept itself wasn't anything horrible, but the writers obviously didn't develop it to the extent they should have when they decided to begin the arc.

In fact, more than any tropes, most of what causes comic worlds to fall flat is the fact that over the multiple writers that drive them very few of them communicate in a satisfactory way which leads to a ton of sloppy handwaves in order to make things work coherently, and when you pile handwaves upon handwaves eventually the verse' starts straining under all that inertia.

Also, personal opinion: don't touch the multiverse beyond meta. It kills the narrative.

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>>51422142
>Clone Saga
Yes. Have you ever The Life of Reilly? It analyzes the Clone Sage with someone who has a ton of inside knowledge, and it's just amazing how many little mistakes combine to form this huge fuckup. It's like watching a fifty-car pileup happening in slow motion.

>Communication
Yes. It's all right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Grant Morrison is probably the worst example I can think of for this. He didn't give a single fuck what others were doing with Batman or even how the New 52 reboot changed everything, he just kept on going without any regard to any of the other writers. Which I think on a personal level is incredibly unprofessional, and on a company level incredibly shortsighted. And it's not the only example, look what he did to Magneto. He decided to wipe out decades of character development to turn Magneto into a two-dimensional bad guy villain because that's what he wanted, and he said he didn't like how the movies made him sympathetic. If you ever want to tell actual good stories with all your lines of comics, you have to prevent people from doing shit like this.

>>51416032
>I think that's why I never really got into opm, actually.
Sounds to me like you where expecting the wrong thing from OPM

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>>51414432
Love Cosmic craziness but the most group is willing to do is Street to World level heroics

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>>51415457
Stark is in the sequel to 1602

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>>51418247
This anon knows whats up
Comics don't have to be aimed at children but they should be an entertaining colorful adventure, filled cool characters, fantastic powers, outrageous super science and magical nonsense

I want to read comics to be entertained by a fantasy world that only tangentially resembles our own, not reminded of all the shit that is wrong with the Real World

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>>51420658
All of the Dynamite Entertainment pulp/public domain stuff is great
They took a bunch of characters no one has cared or thought about for at least 50 years and made fantastic stories with them

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>>51422781
I always like the really oddball Lanterns. Do you have the pic where he takes on the Sinestro Corps virus?

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>>51422932
>Do you have the pic where he takes on the Sinestro Corps virus?
No I don't unfortunately
But have a pic proving Captain Boomerang is worthy of being a Flash villain

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>>51423053
That's so fucking dumb. I love it.

>>51422343
Yeah, i recognize it's not for me.

>>51416032
>I think that's why I never really got into opm, actually. Once you can solve pretty much any fight with one punch or otherwise weirdly op powers
You read OPM for fights by every character who isn't Saitama, and by seeing them react to when Saitama shows up.

For example, the fish king arc had a long, long succession of heroes trying their best. There were mid-tier heroes fighting off lower-ranked fishmen, then king beat them, then higher tier guys showed up and tried to fight him, Genos doing good but getting slagged by shielding a bystander with his body and so on. Culminating in one, lowest rung, completely powerless dude on a bicycle trying his best.
And then Saitama arrives and makes blended sushi. The action is now on seeing how the bystanders and other heroes WTF at it.


Although, because of they aren't focus characters,
>I love the scrapper with an apparently weak but versatile power. I enjoy seeing how they would use their power to get out of situations others can't.
isn't present much. There's constant pretty amusing flow of side-characters to get worfed up but that's it.

>>51410121
I have fun in superhero settings.

>>51422030
>>51422001
pretty much this. the story is Meh-tier but the setting is what makes it a worthwhile read for a GM running a supers game...

>>51418440
>I hate social commentary in any entertainment. Like, I want to be entertained, I don't want to sit here and have you lecture me about how you think the world should be
the issue is it's almost impossible to avoid, in any work of fiction, especially those dealing with a good vs evil conflict, the authors' ideas about morality are going to come through in the story (for example 'batman is a hero therefore he shouldn't kill civilians' is a moral judgement made by the author that killing civilians is wrong), the author will also write a story which 'makes sense' meaning that some aspects of their worldview will come through in things like character motivations and the consequences of different actions. And unless the author in question lives in a complete bubble their views are going to be affected by the events going on around them.

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>>51410121
This thread again, huh? Didn't get enough (You)s the first time?

>>51418603
Bruce deserved to rest....

>>51425760
But if the author's views on morality are conventional, it's not lecturing, because they're not saying how the world should be.

>>51427009
>But if the author's views on morality are conventional, it's not lecturing, because they're not saying how the world should be
so what you're saying is that it's not lecturing when the reader agrees with the author? because there will always be a reader for whom it isn't their view who will feel lectured to

>>51413442
Stabbing myself with a rusty spoon is more fun. Fucking shitdark crap.

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>>51410121

I think city of heroes had a pretty interesting system for how things were handled.

Superheros were pretty much all actual law enforcement, with administration, certs, salaries and everything. Almost anyone else who didn't do things by the book was technically a criminal/vigilante.

>>51427043
Reading comprehension, seriously. Lecturing requires intent. There's no reason to lecture people on what is commonly understood. Only people who want to change how the world works would resort to lecturing the audience. You can't really lecture people about what's commonly understood if they understand it, because it's not going to change anything. It would be like trying to lecture people that water is wet, or that the sky is blue.

You might look at something that doesn't match up to your morality, but if the writer made it thinking it was normal, or that it was normal when it was made, it's not really a lecture to you, because they didn't take you into account. Like, I saw The Birth of a Nation, the old one, once, and even though its morality is very different to mine, it wasn't lecturing, it was just presented as being normal.

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>>51427417
Reminds me of COWL. Good series.

>>51427446
I'm learning of so many cool obscure comics from this thread

>>51427417
Same on My Hero Academia, but mostly because most the population technically has superpowers and there was a long period of chaos and anarchy before the system was put in place

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>>51428317
Gigantic. Godzilla meets The Truman Show.

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>>51428317
Not very obscure, but read Prophet. Superhero comics taken to their extreme logical end combined with a space opera.

>>51428555
Nice, all I want is a comic where status quo isn't god, if some one invents a Cure for cancer in their universe it better be world changing

>>51420993
I think you might be retarded.

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>>51428620
WildCats Version 3.0 was pretty good at that, since the entire comic revolves around a guy making an invention that changes the entire world. Unfortunately it doesn't have a great conclusion because it was cancelled, so there are a few plot threads left hanging, but it's still one of my favorite all-time comics.

>>51422673
They made a sequel?
That suit is kind of dumb.

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>>51428752
Three. New World, Fantastick Four, and Spider-Man. Not him, and I've never read any of them though.

>>51428823
Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to check them out.

Do your settings have people like Deadshot or Batman in them? Those that don't technically have powers but can still compete with the actual superhumans by being skilled enough.

How do you handle them, do they just get accepted without question or are they considered to be "lesser" heroes/villains than powered people?
Or do they straight up not exist as no normie is insane enough to try what the big boys are doing?

>>51430298
Depends on their gear, in my world batman would need strength enhancers in his suit by default to keep up with the league on missions but his head is still his greatest strength

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>>51430298

Batman does not compete with anyone by being smart. He competes by having super tech, Superhuman physicals and everyone in the setting being genre blind(including him)

Worm has the tinkers who build miracle machinery and occasionally construct power armour.

Meh, not the most constructive use of their talents but they do have the excuse of being a bunch of utter crazy people put on a path towards conflict by The inter-dimensional illuminati and some eldritch space whales

>>51410121
There's nothing wrong with superhero settings, most of them take place in our normal world + people with superpowers. As for what the world would look like, exactly like ours does now except mythology would be considered history

>>51430952
>Worm has the tinkers who build miracle machinery and occasionally construct power armour.
I liked how the ability to create advanced technology actually was considered to be an just as much of a superpower as any other in Worm.

One thing I never understood about The Incredibles was how the Syndrom was upset about other supers and not fitting despite having every right to be counted among them, you'd have to do some real mind gymnastics to say that Syndrom isn't superhuman with his intelligence and inventions.

>>51430952
>batman is not smarter than everyone
Quality bait

>>51431050
Considering that Mr. Incredible, his idol, just blew him off, he was probably pretty crushed by that. Besides, superheroes were basically outlawed the next day, even if he were a supergenius, it probably wouldn't help going around and calling himself that.