/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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As I said, I'm going to be re-posting this for the next few threads so as to ensure maximum exposure. One more thread after this one.

Anyway...

FINALLY...it's done. The Vampire Monster Manual. 108 pages worth of generic NPCs for you to throw at the peons who show up to your games. I mean the player troupe. Whatever.

56 Clan vampires, 18 Bloodline vampires, 17 ghouls, 17 other supernaturals, 29 mortals, and 23 animals. A total of 160 NPCs, suitable for any chronicle taking place in the modern day.

Remember that these are meant to be generic things to throw at your troupe, NOT a replacement for hand-crafting a character for your chronicle yourself. The Prince and Primogen and so on of your main city should be made to your specifications. But when your chucklefuck players decide that, no, they don't want to stay in Boston, they really do need to go over to Worcester for God knows what reason. Or start a fight with the pizza delivery guy that they themselves called over to their lair. Or whatever.

Enjoy!

THIS IS FOR YOU, /TG/. I DID IT ALL FOR YOU.

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WE

>>51393387
>WE

Can't push a book and meet a sales quota to save your life. Yes. We know.

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>>51393387
WUZ

Talk about Changelings, motherfucking summer court son

>>51393342
>Do you ever set your CWoD games in the 90s, to better match the game's original aesthetic?
No because I was too young to remember most of it.

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Is Tamaura a Changeling??

>>51394171
>>51394156
I have no idea who that is, but unless she is a Changeling PC or NPC, then no, she isn't a Changeling.

>>51393342
I do. My current campaign is set in 1990 shortly after taking of USSR yoke

>>51393342
>Do you ever set your CWoD games in the 90s, to better match the game's original aesthetic?

No. But I've set a few games in the 1980's to avoid having to deal with cellphones.
It leaves characters a LOT more vulnerable without forcing an explanation as to why they can't just call for help.

>>51394259
>tfw you play Mage and you never use cell phones, because telepathy offers more privacy

There are simple ways to avoid cell phones as the solution to everything in modern-day games, and it's as simple as "your enemies have agents in the NSA".

>>51394332
I think trying to claim that the Bloods and the Crips have agents in the NSA would strain credulity.

>>51394362
If you're running a mortals game it's a bit more implausible, yeah. Any other gameline, though (including Hunter)? Absolutely.

>>51394259

I considered doing exactly this but ultimately decided instead to set the game in a shitty city with shitty cellular / internet infrastructure.

>>51394372
People that deal with the Bloods and the Crips don't tend to have enemies with agents in the NSA, no matter the game line. And how would they know this in the first place?

>>51394332
I was thinking more in the case of small scale stories.
Such as mortals being stuck in a town ruled by a ruthless vampire lord, and they aren't allowed to escape and spread the word of what has happened.

>>51394464
From the other end this becomes very interesting. Why does a vampire try to keep another from becoming the ruthless lord of a small town? It breaks the masquerade.

When I told my players we are playing in the 90s I was warned that they are not puting any trenchcoats and sunglasses on. Shame

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>>51394598
what about leather trench coats and sunglasses

>>51394581
You can be a ruthless lord without revealing that you're a vampire.

>>51394667
This is how I dress irl

>>51394667
Jesus Christ man why would you show this to people?

So are the supernal realms the transcendent reality that, say, gnostics would want to ascend to? Since the fallen world is a a "shadow" of the true supernal realms, like what real-world gnostics believe

If not, what is the transcendent reality?

>>51394951
No. The Supernal realm is more a realm of Platonic forms than the "true reality". It's where truth, meaning, and definition come from.

Think of it like the source code for reality. The physical world is the compiled program. The program is nothing without its source code, but at the same time the source code for an uncompiled program just sits there doing nothing useful.

>>51395021
And Ascended beings become code, in this metaphor. Just self-aware code.

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>>51394913
because it tickles my pickle

>>51394332
>Not playing the superior Technocracy and using magic cell phones.

Can we talk about Hunter? I have never played Hunter, but I like the concept and I am looking forward to 2E. Do you think all Hunters will start with dots in the Profession merit, or do you think they will make a new mechanic to make cells different from mortals? How do you think Endowments will work, or will they just be c&c specific merits? Do you think it would be possible to play a game all the way from tier 1 to tier 3?

>>51394951
Don't think of it as a place, think of it as a state of being. A Being cannot exist in the Supernal because there is no such thing as existence in place beyond the crass material realm. The closes you have are the Souls of Archmages in which lower beings, the the Archmage itself and emanations of it's soul can exist.

Sleepwalker hubby and Mage wifey. How does this marraige work? Hubby was a sleepwalker longer than wifey has been a mage?

>>51395430
there is existence in a more expansive definition of existence

>>51395467
Ultra kinky sex.

>>51394362
>I think trying to claim that the Bloods and the Crips have agents in the NSA would strain credulity.

Not really as much as you think, given that both Bloods and Crips in VtM were created either by a vampire or in response to vampires, and then grew until the Crips and Bloods were too large to handle, which led to regular mortals, hunters and other vampires (primarily Ventrue with the Bloods) manipulating and controlling them.

>>51395467
Poorly. Even sleepwalkers don't really understand the plights of god like beings. The wife likely feels alone constantly.

>>51395467
The hubby awakened the mage wife with his dick.

>>51395467
If it was the other way around it would probably have worked, but as it is now the power imbalance will break the relationship.

>>51395363
I never really like the concept of "tier game". You can easily play a group of well-equipped Malleus Maleficarum hunters going after a single not very powerful demon or a group of schmucks out to stop a cabal of powerful cultists. What organizations the hunters belong to shouldn't limit their targets.
As for what I hope the hunters get as bonus, not too much, hopefully. A free dot in professional training, some exclusive merits remade from the old books, maybe some minor hedge magic, a small bonus against memory altering effects, tactics being easier to learn. Risking willpower is already pretty good. I also hope they don't insist too much on the Hunter-slasher relationship. Hunters with low morality should become cold and ruthless or get locked in a mental ward, not suddenly develop superpowers and become serial killers.

Do Justiciars and Archons wear operator gear when on missions?

>>51396114
Ah, what I meant about changing tiers was growing your own organization from a bunch a guys who try to shoot ghosts into a global conspiracy, but I get what you mean. Do you think supernatural resistance should be available even for street level hunters with no powers?

>>51393342
>Do you ever set your CWoD games in the 90s, to better match the game's original aesthetic?

all the damm time, mostly with vampire as it requires a lot of era-plays otherwise it has this stupid scenario in which the PCs in 2 years have almost as high disciplines as elders.

Character progression in wod is kinda wonky.

>>51396244
I'd say yes, even if extremely limited in scope and power. Something like a +2 (irrc) against Lunacy like they had in Spirit Slayers and things of the sort. Hunters are generally a cut above the average Joe, even if not enough to really stand out.

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Bout fucking time the magefaggots have been put into their place. It only took 13 fucking threads.

>>51396420
Even if they were it certainly wasn't by that tool you posted.

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>>51396420

>>51393940
What kind of lawnchair would a summer courtier be made into?

>>51396516
>>51396534
>>51396548
YOU LOSE

>>51393940
>summer
What a pale imitation of its superior honorable brethren, the West Court. Their mantle even does what the court espouses to, War. Unlike the Summer Court's poop tier sort of Stamina esque buffs.

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>>51396548

This kind

>>51396557
Summer Court def loses in a lawn chair fight, one of the weakest Courts and its contracts fail to carry through the court's themes enough to actually stand a chance.

>>51393365
You are a good anon and will be rewarded in the next life

>>51393365
I'll thank you every time you post it. It's really great!

>>51396420

>Bout fucking time the magefaggots have been put into their place

You think they're gone? You're delusional. They always win. This is just going to be the 14th mage supremacist movement. We should just make a separate thread for them.

>>51396764
Really the vamp-fags needs to be exiled so the rest of us can talk about the actual games instead of how Caine is shit tier compared to gods and them getting all butt hurt and arguging for 14 threads.

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>>51396557
>YOU LOSE
Literally the only thing keeping vampfags from running away screaming and crying. It's fucking hilarious. They're grasping at straws at this point.

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THEY'RE COMING BACK

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>>51394259
>>51394332
Honestly I find it more hilarious to leave cellphones in. In my Mage campaign right now one of my PCs is legitimately considering calling the cops the next time vampires or King Arthur or some shit shows up to mess with them.

Just go "Hello police. There's some lunatics in LARP gear on my lawn!"

>>51397086
The guardians might put the thumbscrews on if you get sleepers involved.

>>51397158
Ascension.

These threads are dying.

>>51397872
without mages who keep the conversation flowing, what do you expect?

>>51397872

The time of the general is hopefully coming to a close, and if we're lucky /wodg/ will be the vanguard.

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What's your favorite Discipline?

I'm really wondering why (how?) the mage supremacy meme got so powerful all of a sudden. Fourteen threads is obsessive. It feels like a coordinated attack sometimes.

>>51395733
I don't see why the Sleepwalker being aware of the supernatural for longer would matter? I would think it would make things easier because he would be more used to whatever his wife was doing.

>>51398029
Thaumaturgy, or that crazy shit the Saulot have.

>>51397872
It's do to Mage supremacy. Hostile posting like that drowns out other content and nobody wants to stick around a thread full of trolls.

>>51398038
It makes people mad.

>>51398029
Dominate and Protean, two classics to play proper vampires.

>>51398038
You people won't stop taking the bait

>>51398141

Magefags seem to come out when Vampfags boast about how awesome they are. The Magefags then proceed to boast about how much more awesome they are compared to them. Shitting out lawn chairs left and right.

We should all just stop talking about Mage and Vampire.

>>51398247
Every time it seems to come down to some bible thumping (vamp) asshole thinking their precious book is cannon to World of Darkness in any way.

>>51396557
I use Fate 5 to weave a destiny of Cain being caught sucking a mountain of dicks in public

>>51398267

Vampires are Christians. Mages are Atheists.

We get it. Now shut up you whore.

>>51398293

No. Not until God is our fucking gimp.

>Mage Supremacy

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Stop taking the damn bait, hook and line folks.

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Okay here's something to talk about that isn't Mage supremacy. Where do the fansplats [Genius, Princess, Leviathan, etc] fit into the Tier List?

Whats their power level?

>>51398293
>Mages are Atheists.
No need to blindly worship a higher power when you are one, unlike those blood sucking goth cucks.

>>51398379

The bait must flow.

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>>51398387
>Fansplats

Well, anon, they're automatically shit-tier because, y'know, they're fan splats.

>>51398387

No one fucking cares about non-canon shit.

>>51398293
In this moment, I am awakened. Not because of any phony exarch’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my gnosis.

>>51398412
>>51398419
Alright fuck me for trying then.

How bout that Mage supremacy then? Lets talk about Caine vs Archmages for the thirteen time today.

>>51398436

>Cain vs Archmages

>Archmages win

Next question

>>51398436
Its unfortunate, but there is a severe lack of material to analyze for every fan splat. Less then even the currently least supported CofD game (Which I want to say is Beast atm).

>>51398436
Cain, you lose

>>51398445

>Next question

Which splat makes the nicest lawn chair?

>>51398471
Bastet, they come upholstered and with a purring massage function

>>51398436
The problem with discussing fansplats is that they are... difficult. They have such a wide arrange of thematics internally (like, Genius is the 'OWoD Mage gonzo plus kitchen sink in NWoD,' Leviathan is unfinished and the power scale is out of whack and it's full of minutiae like 7 forms and shit, and Princess is just contradictory and weird). I can't think of any other 'well known' fansplats that aren't like, 1 page affairs or conversions of other things.

There's very little to talk about with them.

>>51398468

>Cain, you lose

The only thing Masquerade whores are holding on to.

Typical Christian vampire faggot

Your joke character sheet means nothing to us.

>Mage Supremacy

>>51398468

This was already discussed. Cain's "You fucking lose" sheet isn't canon. Not to mention it only applies to Vampires. You might as well say that God can't beat Cain. Nice logic, eh, Vampire asswipe?

>>51398029
Protean. I long for the day when I can play a vampire who turns into a shark and swims up someone's drain to attack them in the bathtub.

>>51398521
That fish that swims up pee streams into aurethra is a better use of animal form.
Turning into a shark after seems pretty solid though.

>>51398029
Auspex because I inevitably make an investigative character in every splat. Protean because playing up the Beast's themes is fun.

>>51398559
I just love the image of a shark head popping out of the bubbles next to a very surprised bather.

>>51398559
Steve god damn it I don't care how much sense it makes we don't want to hear about your weird fish cock vore fetish

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>>51398598

>>51398623
Nice

>>51397931
>without mages who keep the conversation flowing, what do you expect?

Aspel posts about cultural Marxism and complaints about non-standard pronouns and SJW sidebars.

Given a choice, I'll *always* go with mage supremacy.

>>51398247
Right. Let's talk about Beast

>>51398887

Beast? The crossover splat? The creatures meant to fuck with other supernaturals? Mages are still the best at that.

>>51398887
Dickeggs dickeggs heroes did nothing wrong build a wall and make richt pay for it.

>>51398887
Beast was sub-Brucato tier writing. And on top of that the Core book was only half rewritten. It makes me sad inside. 2nd most regretted kick starter for me.

>>51398029
>What's your favorite Discipline?

Spiritus

Holy mother of FUCK

The Magefags are literally NEVER going to leave

I'm fucking OUT of here

>>51399062
Good. We don't want you here.

>>51399062
Watch out, I told the door spirit to hit you on the ass on your way out

What do the Magefags gain from ruining our Chronicles of Fagness?

>>51398029
Vicissitude

>>51398247
You do realize vamps and mages account for 90% of these threads right?

>>51399192
Nothing. Which is why its clearly the Caine/Jesus-loving sodomites who are responsible.

>>51399272
That's only because no one likes Werewolf except furries and the last Published CofD Core book was awful.

Will these threads be used as evidence that there is an autism epidemic rampaging throughout the states?

>>51399321
Sooner or later magefags will simmer down.

Either that or instead of having a single WoD general, we could have a CWoD general and a NWoD general. Or if we're feeling crazy, a single Vampire genera (Masquerade and Requiem), a single Mage general (Ascension and Awakening), and so on.

>>51399377

That's not going to stop the Magefags from invading. They're the GOD FUCKING BORG.

Okay, so CofD is supposed to be horror, right? Where is the horror in Werewolf?

>>51399400
>They're the GOD FUCKING BORG.
You're thinking of Threat Null.

>>51399469
The knot

>>51399469

>Where is the horror in Werewolf?

When a Thyrsus sorority party invades their territory

>>51399498
But that's not horrifying, that's the best part
>>51399507
That's just Mage being Mage, doesn't have to do with Werewolf specifically

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>>51399400
Well, there's also the novel approach of ignoring them. That's what I've decided to do.

On that note...Clanbook: Caitiff. Would anyone be interested in it if I started writing it? It would draw inspiration from Outcasts and Time of Thin Blood, of course, but my goal would be to make it a full Clanbook in the vein of the actual official ones, complete with a history of Caitiff through the ages, general Caitiff opinions on the other Clans (at least seen through the eyes of one particualr Caitiff), sample Caitiff characters for players, writeups for famous known Caitiff (Stone Man, Mukhtar Bey, Joseph Pander, etc.), and so on, all of it written as though a more senior or experienced Caitiff was talking to one who was fresh off the boat, so to speak.

Plus I'd include a bunch of sample Disciplines that Caitiff could be inceptors for. Mostly probably stuff converted from Requiem to Masquerade.

I'd even include a pretentious opening story! You gotta have a pretentious opening story.

Is there interest? Well, even if not, I think I'll make it anyway, for my own personal satisfaction if nothing else.

>>51399507
>Thyrsus sorority party

That's terrifying. Easily a final boss fight for any Werewolf pack.

Gaining calluses post-embrace would be impossible, right?

>>51399560
Yeah that'd be cool

>>51399469
You can lose control and hurt people, spirits will hound you for the rest of your life, and you have a need to hunt that if ignored will make you crazy.

Your standard Werewolf enemies are other Werewolves, spirits, humans, humans possessed by spirits, and Shartha which are horrible animal/spirit hybrids although the most numerous are the spider and rat ones.

>>51399377
Or, and this might be a crazy idea, what if instead of generals people made specific threads for individual interesting topics?

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Lancea Sanctum > Ordo Dracula > Invictus > Circle of the Crone >>> Guy Fawkes mask faggots

>>51399560
That sounds awesome.

>>51399647
Ordo Dracul > Invictus > Carthians > Lancea et Sanctum > Circle of the Crone

>>51399646
The problem with that is these threads are already slow as balls, even with all the shit posting. Splitting them would mean you'd just have 5 dead threads instead of one semi-active one.

>>51399646
Specific threads have narrower focus, which means less replies, which means they're more likely to fall off the board. Some might argue that this is an appropriate form of Topic Darwinism, of course, but for my part, I say just post whatever, wherever.

>Mage Supremacy

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>>51395585
>Ultra kinky sex.

>>51399560
Please do so. Caitiff are really starting to draw my interest, and I'm considering playing one in an upcoming VtM game.

>>51399685
This guy knows what he's talking about.

Vampires are fucking disgusting.

>>51399990
Meh.

Ordo - Brood - Invictus - VII (Houses) - Crone - Lancea - Carthians

>>51398029
Vicissitude, because i'm an edgelord.

>>51400138

>Vicissitude

Because how else is one going to acquire a vagina?

>>51398029
Kineticism

>>51400164
Can Vampires be corrupted by banes and get Fomori powers in OWoD? If so Savage Genitalia.

>>51400199
usually no but there are like two types of banes that can do it. i believe that one of them takes over and the other gets pwned by the beast and the vamp just gets weird powers.

What's the perfect Anti-Vampire Mage? Which Arcana can fug over a Kindred entirely?


...No. I'm not a Mage supremacist.

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>>51399622 >>51399666 >>51399918

Well, some guy, a dubs, and Satan say I should do it. Far be it from me to go against the will of Satan.

Got a cover image ready and everything.

Keep your eyes pealed! Also, more people should make homebrew stuff for WoD and post it.

>>51399685
Eh, you got it partially right.

Ordo Drcaul > Invictus > Lancea Sanctum > Circle of the Crone > Carthians

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>>51400320

Mind, Death and Forces. Maybe Matter. Fate Is also a good way to "fug" Kindred politics.

Pretty much half of the Arcana is capable of griefing Vampire society. They're not really compatible for crossovers.

>>51400320
Forces
>create sunlight
>aquire bitches

>>51399560
That sounds really good, mate.

The best part of reporting shitposting is that it hides the shitposts in question.

#themoreyouknow

>>51400540
SEE >>51400354

>>51400581
These threads are already so devoid of posts having any less sounds awful.

>>51400617
Maybe you should post then. Breed out the inferior shitpost race with glorious Master Race Quality Posts (TM)

Let's talk book collections. How many of you have printed copies instead of a bunch of pirate .pdf? And how big is your personal collection?

I used to have an epic collection, if I stacked all my books they came up to my shoulder. Sadly I had a massive psychotic breakdown and lost the lot. I'm rebuilding, slowly, 2 or 3 books a fortnight, but at this rate it's going to take a few years to get back to where I was.

>>51400476
Why not spirit? I can't think of any discipline that would protect a vampire from an attack from twilight.

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What's the bloody point of this game?

>>51400691

Nothing. Mage does it all better. You can't fuck with other splats like a Mage can.

>>51400671
I have the entire print run of Demon: The fallen, most of the Year of the Scarab, as well as a good 1/5th of the printed Mage books, and I'm slowly acquiring more (Gotta catch em all). I've got a smaller collection of mostly core NWoD books with a few choice supplements.

PDFs are handy but there is just something about print books that I like better.

>>51400691
Being a sociopath abuser who claims hes teaching people with his gross human rights violations.

Before the rewrite it seemed more about sadists who had to indulge or their inner monster would lash out. I think it was better before they tried to force the gas lighting 'teaching' aspect into the game.

And that's before you get to the game being a half rewritten mess. Hard to say what the point is now.

>>51400677
I think Anon wanted ways to mess with Vampires, not ways to summon entities which literally cannot be harmed by most factions, and can Blast you to death without risking their own safety.

So Death and Mind deal with most of their powers, whiel Forces allows you to manipulate them with their two biggest fears, Fire and Sunlight.

>>51400726
Oh, I also own more LARP books than a sane person should have, but I'm pretty sure that barrier is a pretty low number in general.

>>51400691
To work as a glorified bus driver for your monster friends and add cool locations to your soulhouse.

>>51400766
>Owns almost all Revised VtM
>Owns almost all Laws of the Night/Mind's Eye Theatre books
>Owns all Requiem
>Owns all Lost

>>51400677

Mages are the best at Spirit magic. Even better than Werewolves.

>>51400763

>summon entities which literally cannot be harmed by most factions

This is a good point. The Spirit Arcanum is a very powerful thing to have.

>>51400691
>We could've had Technocrats: the Conspiracy or Yandere: the Lovesick instead

>>51398387
I'd probably peg Genius just above Mage and Princess above Werewolf. A Werewolf would probably kill a Princess in a straight up fight without much difficulty, but Princesses seem a lot more versatile to me, and that counts for alot.

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>>51400843
Forgot my image

>>51400843

No one cares about non-canon fan-splats. Because they're always terribly written with total disregard for everything vital in CofD.

Princess is fucking SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>51400861

Copy pasted from the previous thread. Far more accurate.

God Tier
>Archmage

Top Tier
>Prep Mage
>Loud Demon
>Fresh Mummy

Middle Tier
>Mage
>Demon
>Sin-Eater
>Mummy
>Beast
>Werewolf
>Promethean

Street Tier
>Changeling
>Vampire
>Surprised mage
>Prep Hunter
>Hunter

>>51400754
This by over a thousand percent.

The internal justification - that the Beast is somehow "Teaching a Lesson" by violating and torturing people who "had it coming" because of something they said or did, or didn't say or didn't do - smacks of juvenile revenge fantasies. A major theme of Vampire was the slow erosion of sanity through telling oneself such justifications, but Beasts get away with it completely.

Even worse, it seems to enforce crossover for crossover's sake alone, with no real justification other than "we are family / I've got all my sistahs with me".

Finally, the Heroes are painted as the villains of the piece, and constantly reinforced as such, but after the rewrite it says that they are made to do what they do by the same Primordial Dream that makes the Beasts. So they're villains for something they can't help doing? But when Beasts do something they can't help but do they're Too Beautiful For This World?

Basically it's the lowest point in WW/OPP history. It makes Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand look like Citizen Caine.

>>51400843
How does Genius do its super powers? i.e. How'd you place them above Mages? Not a supremacist question more wondering how Genius works. Also does it fit into the greater CofD cosmology?

>>51400671
>Let's talk book collections.
I have almost all of VtM, including all of KotE and KotEK, half of dark ages, 2/3 of werewolf and mage. 1/3 of changeling. all of hunter and demon. A few wraith books. all the old MET books and the new BNS book. All the End of the world books. all the ingame book of nod style books. Many of the old novels including the essential wod collection, the quintessential wod collection, the clan book compilation, all the demon and hunter novels, truth until paradox, all the end of the world novels, the horizon war trilogy, book of the kindred, all the old VtM harper collins books.

working on the rest but my funds are somewhat limited and many of the missing books are very expensive.

>>51400963

All the fan-splats are stronger than the others. They were made by people with down syndrome.

>>51400983
>all the ingame book of nod style books
I forget about these. I buy them whenever I see them at used book stores because they are interesting and can make for good props in a LARP.

>>51400963

>cosmology question

Genius doesn't fit into CofD for that very reason. It feels out of place entirely. The only worse fansplat is Princess.

>>51400948
>Changeling above Vampire
>Mage above Loud Demon
A loud demon is stronger than a prep mage or did you forget demons get an exploit that allows them to copy any other splats abilities this includes mages.

>>51400671

I have in my physical library all the mage revised line + book of worlds, all the W20 line, some important apocalypse books from revised. All the important forsaken books (so all except blasphemies, chronicle guide, territories, night horrors and war agaisnt the pure), all the changeling the lost and mage the awakening lines. And i am working on getting the good requiem books and all the V20 line before paradox pulls the plug on them.

>>51401024
A man after my own heart. I have six copies of the Book of Nod, 'cause I catch them for like $5 a pop. I need the Erciyes Fragments to complete the collection.

>>51400691

Cocaine money.

>>51400955
Say what you will about the edit, The View From Without sections had some good stuff.

>THE VIEW FROM WITHOUT: MENKHAF, ESHA-HEBSU
I remember your kind, but you seem…different. Unfocused. Hungrier, somehow. I saw you before, but you haven’t always seemed so desperate to feast.

What is it that has changed? I think that people — living people — know too much. They have learned too much,
and what they have not learned, they can create. I think that, perhaps, they don’t need your lessons anymore.

So, of course, you must make yourself a purpose. It is terrible not to have a purpose. It is death.

>>51401027

>A loud demon is stronger than a prep mage

Wrong. A prepared Mage that knows their opponent inside-and-out is effectively invincible. They're magic batman. This is something that Dave has been adamant about. I can agree otherwise, however.

>>51400863
>No one cares

Why must you refer to yourself as "no one"? It's not good for your psyche to deny your own existence, Anon.

>>51400998
Don't pick on kids with Down's Syndrome. They're nicer people than you'll ever be.

>>51400963
I'll preface this with the fact I haven't read Genius since it first came out, but like mages, they can produce pretty much any effect they want. They need time to do so, but they need not deal with Paradox or Sleeper witnesses, so there's less for them to worry about while doing so. Granted, though, if you catch them with their pants down it's all over.

>>51401133
You can't be nice unless you are smart enough to make the choice.

>>51401133

This is true. I wish I had used another insult instead. Downies are the most gentle people on this planet.

>>51401037
Are Paradox really likely to pull the plug on production of those titles completely? Last I checked there were plans to keep milking the POD cash cow until the sun explodes.

>>51401057
What the actual fuck does any of that have to do with Mummy?

>>51401147
They are smart enough to make the choice. They know right from wrong, which is more than I can say for some Anons. Are you jealous of their innocence, or their purity? Either way it says terrible things about you.

>>51401063
A loud demon is a prep mage. They can use any splat ability there is as long as they seen it. Dave B is a colossal mage fanboi

>>51401027

A prepared and observant Mage is the strongest thing under an Archmage, period.

Changelings in general are just beefier than your average Kindred.

>>51401213

>A loud demon is a prep mage

You are fucking retarded

>Dave B is a colossal mage fanboi

So you get angry when Mage turns out to be the strongest gameline, and blame the writer for its core them of unlimited potential power? Good goin' Anon!

>>51401259
>core theme of unlimited potential power

A lot of people seem to ignore this. It's one of the biggest premises of the game. The other would be mystery and pushing (Paradox)yourself too far.

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Stop pissing off the magefags by questioning their alleged superiority.

>>51401335

>alleged superiority

>implying It isn't true

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>>51401369
Look, we don't fucking care. We just want to talk about all the other splats without you fucks constantly REEEEEEEEing over goddamn everything.

You know what, fine. Mages are the stronkest. You win. Now what? Are you going to start having an autistic meltdown whenever someone discusses a game that isn't Mage? Is that your fucking plan?

I even like Mage but the magefags in this general make me feel bad about talking about it

Which 2E are you looking forward to most: Changeling, Geist, or Hunter?

What is the best Path and why is it Moros?

>>51401421
Has Mage supremacy always been this bad?

>>51401467

deviant

>>51401470
I'm like 95% sure its been this bad dating all the way back to usenet.

>>51401500
>Deviant

Written by Mage supremacist Dave Brookshaw.

>>51401470
No, it started about 14 threads back when Aspel was finally defeated. It's just a bunch of trolls who think it's funny to derail the thread. Half of them haven't even read the books, they're just children who've learnt how to get a reaction, and like the toddler throwing the word FUCK as loudly as they can at church, they can't tell the difference between good attention and bad attention. Report them and move on.

>>51401500
I'm also excited for Deviant but it doesn't even have its own section on the onyx path site

>>51401527

can deviants become mages?

>>51401580
I would assume/hope whatever is done to them prevents the soul from awakening because the last thing CofD needs is cross templates.

>>51400816
>This is a good point. The Spirit Arcanum is a very powerful thing to have.

It's an under appreciated arcana that's for sure.

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>>51401552

>Half of them haven't even read the books

This seems like such a childish thing to say when you don't necessarily agree with someone.

>>51401500

I can't fucking wait for Deviant. I got a lot of inspiration after watching Stranger Things. Or just re-watching Akira.

>>51401601
>It's an under appreciated arcana that's for sure

Almost as much as Prime. Which is nowhere near as bad as some people say it is. Imbued Items are awesome.

>>51401653
My favorite part of Prime has always been phantasms. Or turning your body into a phantasm by adding some life. Lets you theme your constructs however you want.

>>51400671
>How many of you have printed copies instead of a bunch of pirate .pdf?

>TFW I had every Mage 1e printed book, but they were all destroyed in a flood

>>51400691
>What's the bloody point of this game?

So mages have someone to turn into lawn chairs, and absolutely no one, not even the vampires, will complain.

>>51401607
It has nothing to do with my personal opinions. Objectively, shitting up the thread by spamming the two word phrase "MAGE SUPREMACY" and constantly ranting about lawn furniture is not funny, is not productive, bores the shit out of every moderate user on this board and pushes out sensible conversation. That is a fact. Ultimately it doesn't even matter what you think, it's a violation of global rules to post /b/ material outside of /b/, and that's what this has devolved into.

>>51401777
>posting /b/ outside of /b/
>literally the only topic of conversation in dead threads
Not really the same things.

>>51401580
Can Hunters?

http://theonyxpath.com/now-available-more-individual-dark-eras/

>>51401741
That's fucking terrible!

I keep wondering what I'm going to do if the bushfires threaten my home. I'm not sure I can justify loading the car up with TTRPG books if we have five minutes to pack up and evacuate before the fire front moves through.

>>51401796
All but some of the weirder Tier 3 Hunters should be mortal enough to Awaken. Unless the ST wants to convert the game to Mage there seems to be little point in doing so.

>>51401186
Mummies are old enough to have seen Beast back before they were harmful pointless atavisms. And they'd know a lot about how important it is to have a purpose. A mummy essentially IS a single driving purpose every time it's brought back to life, and as soon as it loses or fulfills that purpose it rapidly returns to death.

>>51401777

Are you the same Anon that got legitimately mad over on the previous thread? You need to calm the FUCK down, ma'am. The Magefags thrive off of people like you.

>>51401795
It wouldn't be a dead thread if it wasn't for the shitposting.

Some of us are actually trying to contribute. Apply some ointment to your sore anus and give it a try.

>>51401808
This looks pretty dope. I wish they'd make something like this for the OWOD, but the closest they've come was a book for W20 about the War of Rage.

>>51401867

>same Anon from previous thread

I'm pretty sure it is.

>"IMA REPORT CHU FOR BREAKING ROOL NUMBAH TREE"

Fucking pathetic. Reporting someone for pissing in the piss pool, as another Anon had described it.

>>51401867
I don't reply. I report and move on. You should do the same. The "Magefags" will have a lovely ban to sit and think about how supreme they are, and we get a breather.

>>51401916
You seem to be struggling under the delusion that I care what you think of me. You also seem to be under the delusion that you're somehow immune from board rules. Whatever. Give my regards to your psychiatric care facility.

>>51401917

Good luck with that, ma'am

>>51401917
If your plan was viable and any one agreed with you their might be less mage posting. But it isn't and no one does.

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>>51401945
So much salt from this one person.

So where does Lancea Sanctum peform mass? Do they just sneak into Catholic churches at night?

>>51401945
>Getting this mad over memes.
Have you considered medication?

>>51401971
Are you saying you enjoy a steady diet of pure shit?

>>51401917

Perhaps you should just migrate over to the actual OPP forums instead of bitching about 4chan.

>>51401998
That's what I would be saying if I agreed with it being shit. Which I don't. So I'm not.

>>51401998

You're easily the pile of shit here, ma'am.

>>51401974
Enough salt for Carthage.

>>51402008
Perhaps you should read the board rules before you post. You know, like the main page and the admins ask you to.

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Magefags actually pissing off an Anon. They're just too good. Pure entertainment in all honesty.

>>51402018
So you enjoy /b/? Great, go there. This thread is for discussion of the World of Darkness products. That's why it's called "World of Darkness General".

>>51402054
>>51402085

>You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

I've not seen anything in these threads that actually violates the rules.

Though you being a pissant might violate /tg/s rules
>1. BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER.
>2. PARTY ON, DUDES. (AND DUDETTES)

>>51402085
You do know Mage is a world of darkness product right?

>>51402099

Everyone report the angry Anon.

>>51402099
>Trolls, flames... off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases

Looks pretty simple to me. We'll see what the Mods think, won't we?

>>51402099
Good point on that.

>>51402114
I'm fuckin' doin' it.

>>51402125

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK

>>51402112
If we were discussing Mage, that would be fine. But constantly spamming the same drivel in a cut-and-paste fashion is not discussing it. Flaming anyone who questions an opinion, or worse still posts a different opinion, is not discussing it. It leaves discussion behind and becomes trolling.

I'm officially finished explaining myself to you. Follow the rules or enjoy a ban. End of discussion.

>>51402160

>MAGE SUPREMACY
>MAGE SUPREMACY
>MAGE SUPREMACY

Is anyone else annoyed that they never offer discounts on POD titles? It seems like every time I get some hyperventilating email going on about HUGE SAVINGS it's for overpriced .pdf files.

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>>51401026
>>51400963
I like the lore for Princess, even if it doesn't overly fit into the rest of the game, simply because of the concept alone.

Magical girls in the World of Darkness. What could go wrong?

Genius I'd say fits into the setting great, except for Bardos [pocket-dimensions]. Thats really the stickler for crossovers and the thing that makes it seem more like oMage. The rest of Genius fits in perfectly, and power-level wise I'd probably put them just below Mages.

Generally Geniuses are less versatile and have to prepare their powers in advance [in the form of creating Wonders] but Havoc is far more generous then Paradox. Also a particularly stupid Genius is one of the few things that could alter the cosmos to the same degree as an Archmage can, via time travel. Though since Geniuses can't just hole up in their own magical self-dimension they aren't exactly safe doing so.

>>51402160

Woah! Calm down, ma'am. Your salt levels are tad bit too high.

>>51402199

Stop talking about Genius like you think it's canon. It doesn't fit in CofD at all.

>>51402199
The most Genius-style film I ever saw was this French film called "Kamikaze". This crazed inventor loses his shit at the news lady and figures out how to turn his TV into a death ray pointed at whoever is on the other side of the camera.

In the end... the government SWAT-teams him to death just as the cops get there, on the basis of National Security

That film was made 20 years ago. When I think about how many cameras there are pointed at the public these days, I wish someone would make a remake.

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>>51402218
Your hate-boner for fansplats isn't going to make people stop liking them or talking about them. Yes, they aren't "canon". Technically no other splat in the nWoD is canon to any other splat except in crossovers. Who gives a shit?

Thematically Genius fits CofD if anything better then Mages. All the game-lines are based on old horror movie tropes, and I'd say "the mad scientist" fits much better then having gnostic sorcerers in there because reasons.

>Vampires
>Werewolves
>Mummies
>Doctor Frankenstein
>Gandalf

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...

>>51402199
>>51402252

Can you two explain Leviathan to me next?

>>51402218
World of Darkness is customised by every ST that ever touches it. Who are you to tell him what not to include in his games?

>>51402256

>Genius fits CofD if anything better then Mages

You're a moron. Genius belongs in oWoD. Not CofD. It's a blatant copy of the Technocracy. Even the name "Genius" is a blatant steal.

>>51402281
An owodfag lurks.

But I agree nonetheless. Genius never clicked with me.

>>51402264
Short version you're one-third Mesopatamian fish-god, and are far stronger then the average human being [or even supernatural for that matter], all your powers and flaws are based around the seven sins, but you're hopelessly outdated in the modern world, all your races accomplishments are buried deep beneath the sea or sand, and humanity has basically excelled far and beyond past what you could do even at your height.

The theme is senility and old age, and whether the Leviathans will find some niche for themselves in Man's world, or lash out as the sink into the metaphorical sea of history.

Also I hear their mechanics are very broken at the high point of the game, to the point of ruining the initial theme. Like, I'm pretty sure Leviathans can turn into kaiju at the end levels.

>>51402199
How does the morality scale/power stat work? are there any innate powers past their sphere equivalents?

>>51402264
Leviathan is a huge nod to the works of HP Lovecraft, and as such, quite thematically appropriate to the World of Darkness. Players are members of an ancient aquatic race whose glory days are thousands of years behind them.

Closest film I could compare it to is "DAGON", an adaptation of the short story Shadows Over Innsmouth, only instead of setting himself on fire, the protagonist accepts his nature

Apparently it all started as a semi-serious attempt to make a fan splat based on the Creature from the Black Lagoon.

Not "Creature from the Blue Lagoon", that was Brooke Shields. *laugh track*

I remember getting the Demon: the Fallen book when it released, and found it pretty neat, but I rarely if ever see it brought up in these threads. Is there a reason for that? Was it just not well received?

>>51402368
>Demon: the Fallen
It came at the end of OWoDs popularity so many people have never played it. I have the books and would love to try it out, but I've never actually met anyone who actually played.

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>>51402281
>>51402310
As someone with a massive boner for Old Mage, you're full of shit.

Geniuses are nothing like the Sons of Ether except in terms of their powers. Everything about the thematics clashes completely.

The Sons of Ether were enlightened Scientists who knew the true way of doing Science and were using it to build a new tomorrow in a subjective universe.

Geniuses are lunatics arguably possessed by alien-intelligences whose worldviews are patently false, theories are complete nonsense, find it very difficult to even do science in the normal sense much less a 'superior' sense, and whose inventions work on principles even they can't understand or replicate.

Being a Son of Ether is shiny and optimistic and about kicking in an oppressive organizations teeth while studying the weird and amazing with Science!

Being a Genius is about having your mind blur with impossible falsehoods that nevertheless create working inventions, and striving to avoid falling into madness even worse then you already have, while desperately trying to get enough money and resources to keep your dreams pushing forward for just one more day, and what lines you'll cross to do so.

>>51402383

A lot of Demon discredited the lore behind Masquerade. Especially the Judeo-Christian aspects of it. Though so did Ascension, with Archmages creating universes, and Apocalypse with Gaia and the Triat trinity thing going on. The fans kinda just ignored it.

>>51402342
I'm not as familiar with the mechanics as I am the fluff, but basically you have Inspiration as your power stat, and Axioms as equivalents to spheres, which set the rough basis of the kinds of Wonders you can create.

Your morality scale is Obligation, and its broken by Trangressions. Basically minor breaks are not having a social life [you make a check at the higher points if you don't talk to another human for like 48 hours straight] and major breaks are things like orphan-powered teleporters [you even get a mechanical bonus if you make your devices through morally questionable means though]

Going too far off the edge makes you turn Illuminated, basically totally mad scientists who live in a bubble of their own madness a la Marauders.

>>51402368
>>51402383
A secondary problem: because the book was released so late, it had a limited distribution. That means that the resale value is artificially high for original prints.

I would love to give it a try, but I understand it needs some houserule-love to make it work. For example, unlike Mage and Tass, there's no way to "store" excess Faith. All that's needed is a rule about Reliquaries or storing Faith in some other holy object, and no doubt that would have happened in a 2nd edition, if only WW hadn't killed the Golden Goose....

>>51402396

>Sons of Ether

Why are you assuming I'm talking about Etherites? This conversation is going nowhere, regardless. Genius is a copy of the Union. Agree to disagree.

>>51402456
Genius is even less like the Technocracy, then. The Technology is all about using bleeding-edge, just-out-of-reach tech that they'll eventually disseminate to the masses. Genius is about using ridiculous false theories and models because you like those better and they work just fine for you, which is how the Etherites do.

>>51402456
No not agree to disagree, Geniuses are nothing like the Union.

The Technocratic Union use technology based on modern science, Geniuses usually use sci-fi crap based on discredited beliefs.

The Technocratic Union had massive power in politics, media, academia, etc. Geniuses are madmen who are lucky to have influence in a local college.

The Technocratic Union weren't lunatics possessed by what are possibly programs of the God-Machine that lets them build pseudo-science.

The games are nothing alike, and I say this as someone whose read Guide to the Technocracy and Genius. Their themes are completely at odds. I assumed you meant Etherites because at least Etherites were mad scientists instead of actual scientists.

>>51402513
>The Technology
Technocracy, rather.

>>51402513
>just-out-of-reach

I don't like jumping in, but. The Unions assets are described as "hundreds" of years more advanced than current technology. Especially the Void Engineers with their Dyson Spheres and various machine planets.

Etherites is a good comparison to Genius, btw.

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So I've been working on some werebeetle Fera ideas as a fan supplement to WtA. An ancient race that somehow survived the genocides of the Ananasi and are making a resurgence, if not in the real world than in the Umbra.

I'm still digging for themes, but so far I have a lot of emphasis on scarabs, the sun, priest-kings, architects and a vibrant warrior/guardian caste think samurai and kabuto helmets, Japs love their bug motifs on armor and in their tokusatsu heroes I kind of want them to have a role in Egypt somehow, even if it was from afar unlike the Vampires, Garou and other Fera, but I'm not sure how to link them to it yet.

Pic related was a big inspiration.

>>51402218
>Stop talking about Genius like you think it's canon. It doesn't fit in CofD at all.

if shit like beast or Deviant "fit" with CofD then i dont see why genius shouldnt.

>>51402559
In terms of powers, yes, but not in terms of themes or ideas.

Sons of Ether are optimistic, and more importantly they're right. The universe really does work like they think it does, and if it doesn't, they can make it do so.

Geniuses are far more tragic beings who are living a lie and may be possessed by possibly malevolent math spirits. They both have ray-guns and jetpacks, but in terms of everything else they really don't have much in common.

>>51401467
>ead by spamming the two word phrase "MAGE SUPREMACY" and constantly ranting about lawn furniture is not funny, is not productive, bores the shit out of every moderate user on this board and pushes out sensible conversation. That is a fact. Ultimately it doesn't even matter what you think, it's a

neither, i am looking forward to actual rules for the pure and belial brood.

>>51402256
>Technically no other splat in the nWoD is canon to any other splat except in crossovers.
This doesn't exactly make Genius any less non-canon than it already is
>>51402541
One of the many reasons why I thoroughly enjoy Genius
>>51402584
>Werebeetles
I really like this idea. Especially the Egyptian theme of it.

>>51402642

I was going to draw themes from every culture they have any sort of presence in. So Egypt, Japan, iirc some parts of India, etc.

>>51402611
I already know how Genius works, Anon.

Just got VtM 3d edition. What else do I need to run a campaign?

>>51402687
Goth makeup and fake vampire teeth. Some tomato juice helps.

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>>51402584
Scarab: The Resurrection

The Theme: Revival. The Scarabs are powerful werebeetle creatures who survived the genocide of the other were-races by burrowing underground in mass graves deep below the surface all over the world. Now they're slowly returning and are making a resurgence. The setting is very optimistic deciding the coming Apocalypse. There are thousands of beetles left to awaken, this war has just begun.

Castes: Scarabs are divided into five castes, based on varying types of beetle.

Dynastinae: Sometimes called Hercules, Dynastinae are massive hulking creatures in their were form with thick armor and large horns.

Scarabaeidae: Or dung rollers, the Scarabeidae are beetles who are small, filthy, and prone to trickery. They make up for their small size with various magic-like effects based on ancient Egypt.

Allomyrina: Also called Kabutos, Japanese caste, very fast.

And thats all I have for you so far.

>>51401037
>before paradox pulls the plug on them.

Why the fuck would Paradox pull the plug on a company that has minimal overhead and milkable IPs? Fuck's sake, they don't even do publishing runs anymore, every book is PDF or print-to-order.

>>51402423

>A lot of Demon discredited the lore behind Masquerade

Like what?

>Archmages creating universes

How is this possible, exactly? Can you elaborate?

>Gaia and the Triat

Don't know much about them.

>>51402584
Not all Egyptians believed Ra was responsible for the sun.

There was once a cult that venerated Khepra. Khepra was the god of change, metamorphosis and "becoming". This cult maintained that Khepra pushed the sun across the sky in the same manner as a dung beetle pushes a ball of dung, and that it was Khepra who created the entire universe. "I Became, and the Becoming Became".

The cult was largely pushed out by the Ra cultists later, but the use of beetles (particularly scarabs) continued as one of the charms Mummies were buried with. Even today street vendors sell small glazed clay scarabs, marked with the craftsman's signature.

Maybe they could have survived in the Dark Kingdom of Sand? Few Fera can venture into the Underworld, and it fits the Egyptian theme very nicely.

>>51401981
If they're a major force in the city they probably have their own private chapels so mortals aren't all "Geez, Monsignor O'Reilly keeps bleeding all over the Eucharist, but I don't wanna say anything because he seems like he knows what he's doing"

>>51402668
>>51402642
>>51402584

Actually wait, hold up, did the Ananasi genocide ALL the other wereinsects or just the wereants? I don't have my copy on hand to trawl through. Could someone confirm for me?

>>51402736

I just found this, its about the scarab beetle in cultures around the world. Pretty interesting!

>Europe
The ancient Greeks and Romans adopted, to varying degrees, the Egyptian
sacred scarab. This took the form of employing the scarab primarily as a good
luck charm without incorporating the Egyptian components of ‘‘life after death’’
messages to the ‘‘keeper of the balance’’ during judgment in the netherworld,
or sun god symbolism. Two scarabs, apparently from northern Syria, were
recently found on a Bronze Age shipwreck discovered at Uluburun in southern
Turkey (Pulak and Bass 2002). A unique gold scarab naming Nefertiti was
found in the wreck. Nefertiti was the wife of the heretic 18th Dynasty Egyptian
pharaoh Akhenaten (1352–1336 B.C.), the promoter of monotheism in Egypt.
The trading vessel sank approximately 1,300 B.C. and was probably of the
Canaanite culture (Bower 1984, 1989). Elsewhere, on the island of Crete, handsized
representations of rhinoceros beetles (probably Oryctes sp.) have been
excavated from a Minoan shrine dating from about 1,600 B.C. (Klausnitzer
1981). The Romans especially had great faith in the scarab’s protective powers,
particularly in battle, and many artificial scarabs have been found in Roman graves dating from before 400 A.D. Until recently, the only scarab, indeed the
only beetle, ever to appear on ancient coins was a sacred scarab and its dung ball.
Only a few ancient Greek and Roman coins bear its likeness.

>>51402779
>Can you elaborate?

Please don't ask such questions. We already had enough wank about how Archmages can fist fuck Cain. It's mentally exhausting.

>>51402687
An ST screen to hide your notes (home made out of cardboard with a few notes on the most commonly looked-up rules will do it if you can't get a used one), somewhere between 50 - 100 ten sided die in colours to your personal taste, plastic slips and whiteboard markers for character sheets so they don't get messy and 1 - 4 friends you can rely on to not ruin things for everyone else.

All other books are optional. Some add depth for the setting, some add character creation options, some give you advice and inspiration for running games; none are essential.

Have fun!

>>51402883
And here I always thought ST screens were for hiding dice rolls and pretending like you know the rules.

>>51402736

Do you think there should be any sort of Necromancy, life magic (not Magick pe se), or so on in the Egyptian theme of it for scarabs? At the very least I think they should probably have some great gifts for Protection or a knack for making protective Fetiches and wards, maybe even Rituals for it.

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>>51402841

So changing, metamorphosis, cycles. Got it!

>>51402779

>How is this possible?

Forces 9 / Prime 9

>>51402850

>It's mentally exhausting

Yes. Yes it is. it doesn't make it any less true, however.

>>51402779
>>A lot of Demon discredited the lore behind Masquerade
>Like what?

Although Lucifer noted the "uncanny accuracy" of a certain tribe of desert-dwelling Israelites, the books suggested that before the Fall, the world resembled one of the endings of Ascension; namely, that all possible worlds co-existed at once. Dinosaurs walked the earth, but step sideways and so do the Insect Races, step sideways again and Adam and Eve chilled in Eden, step sideways again and the One Tribe hunt the primordial forests...

The split between the world of spirit (Umbra) and the Tellurian began, then, with these realities breaking away from each other.

Vampire contradicts this by taking a largely objective approach, some players argue. However this only applies if one places stock in the Gehenna scenarios. Individual groups are free to explore alternatives - that all Kindred are in fact a form of Fomori, for example, or that the Setites were right all along and the Egyptian Gods were the only Gods worth a damn.

>>Archmages creating universes
>How is this possible, exactly? Can you elaborate?

The book Masters of the Art featured Spheres wwith power levels 6 - 9. To describe them as overpowered is a serious understatement. One of those abilities is listed as being able to create a new universe, another is to level the existing one. Obviously these powers have never been invoked because the WoD still stands unmolested, so the sanest explanation relies on Quantum Physics. Any Archmage creating another Universe or destroying their own has actually created a parallel universe where that possibility plays out, leaving everyone else to continue in their own timeline.

>>Gaia and the Triat
>Don't know much about them.

The Changing Breeds of the WoD tell stories that in the Beginning was the Goddess Gaia, who created herself and all you see, physical and spiritual. To oversee Creation, she created three mighty spirits, the most powerful to ever Be. (1/2)

>>51403057
(2/2)
The Wyld, raw chaos and potential, who would shape new forms into being. The Weaver, stasis and order personified, who would give these shapes cohesion and permanence. And The Wyrm, the spirit of Balance and Entropy, who would devour things when their time came.

The problem was that somehow the Weaver became sentient, and highly distressed that the Wyrm was destroying her creations. So she bound the Wyrm tightly in her webs. The Wyrm thrashed against it's bonds, maddened by pain, and partly broke free, only now it had become a spirit of Corruption and Destruction. The Wyrm seeks to destroy the entirety of Creation to free itself and end it's pain, and it will drag all of us down with it. It's servants are legion; Pentex, Black Spiral Dancers, Fomori and Banes thrive on pain and suffering.

None of the Triat are truly "good", however. The Weaver will fuck you up bad, and the Wyld can do just as big a number on you.

Stopping a bleed Life 1 or 2?

>>51403057

>Obviously these powers have never been invoked

Which may not actually be the case as Mind 9 was described as "extremely rare". Implying that these powers have, in fact, been invoked.

I do like your idea going against that matter, however. Very similar to the theory proposed in Imperial Mysteries. Still a theory, but still.

>>51403139
I'd just use bandages and avoid the paradox.

Why "take off your pants to fart", as the Chinese would say?

>>51403139
Clotting minor bleeds is doubtless Life 1

>>51403177
>Mind 9

Quite literally the most powerful ability ever stated in the oWoD setting. They don't even list 10-dot Spheres. This by default makes them an even bigger Plot Device than 10-dot Disciplines which are actually described and defined.

>>51403178
Last session ended with a bunch of mind controlled gangbangers crashing a truck through the front door of the curio shop we were hunting down a lead. They're out cold and bleeding internally according to my mage sight. I don't have the dots to heal them but I'd like to stabilize them before we get the hell out of dodge.

>>51403177
>Which may not actually be the case as Mind 9 was described as "extremely rare". Implying that these powers have, in fact, been invoked.

Perhaps the incalculable amount of Paradox made the effect temporary and erased all memory of it?

OWoD canon makes mention of a crazed Etherite who attempted to conquer the entire planet with zeppelins and death rays. The Paradox backlash re-wrote history so that it's remembered as the over-reaction to Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" broadcast.

>>51403222
In NWoD/2e I think it would fall under the practice of Ruling (Life 2) but would only last for the duration of the spell and would still require mundane first aid to be lasting. With out some probably vulgar (unplanned at a shop) Life 3 Perfecting spell they don't really seem like they would heal much.

>>51403276

Mind 9 is both far too grand and far too subtle to actually be affected by the Consensus.

>>51403338
It doesn't even need to be rolled does it? Don't you just become the ur-mind by having that understanding of reality?

>>51403367

It's wording implies it, yeah. Regardless, once it's cast it's permanent.

>>51402820
Yes, all Insect races were destroyed by the Ananasi, other than the Moths, they were destroyed by the Weaver.

>>51403327
The clotting itself will be lasting in my opinion. I'm not sure if it's compelling with reach or a ruling effect.

>>51403445
If I'm wrong and you can force the clotting with lower practices I agree.

>>51393365
I want to suck your dick for this.

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>>51403019

This is already better than the last fera fan supplement I came across (were-horses, apparently written by or for horse girls).
Keep at it. That subtitle is the same one some of the OWoD mummies have tho.

>>51403057

>Archmage commentary

Damn, never realized how powerful Mages could become. Definitely eats Cain and the Antediluvians for breakfast.

>>51403538
Depends on how strong an Archmage they are.
The strongest? Certainly.
The weakest? Not a hope in hell.

>>51403057
>Demon multiworlds stuff
Seems interesting, did the Time of Judgment/Endgame material for the line do anything with it?

>>51403554

>Depends on how strong an Archmage they are

This is another good point. Mages vary in power far more dramatically than any other gameline.

One must also remember that Archmages can become Exemplars, Celestines and finally Oracles.

>>51403477
I'm not gay, but I do appreciate the thought.

>>51403596

You could always just pretend that it's a chick. Hopefully the guy doesn't have a beard.

>>51403019
No necromancy and definitely no magick with a k. Have the scarabs magic instead revolve around more subtle sorcery effects.

Like controlling thousands of their namesake like in the Mummy movies.

The core message however should remain doubtless optimism. The New Kingdom has begun and soon the thousands of sleeping beetles shall cover the world like a shroud.

Threats of apocalypses and antidiluvians and other angst should be met with strong laughter, since the initial scarabs [which is who the PCs should be, either recently revived scarabs from ancient times or recently turned normies] are but the first wave.

If anything the plot should revolve around finding and awakening the rest of their sleeping [and more powerful] brethren.

>>51402987
Nope, if you look at the scans in the MEGA, you'll see they contain all the tables you'd have to flip through the book for. Werewolf, for example, has damage tables for weapons, the Delirium table, Renown requirements, Strength chart and the combat sequence.

>>51403538
The problem is that by the time Mages get to that level they rarely keep their marbles. The Archmages mentioned in the books are mad as hatters. Medea has gone full Marauder, Porthos regularly walked the halls of Horizon naked and talking to himself, and Voormas literally wanted to end the entire Universe from a fear of death.

Technocracy Archmages are so far into Clarity that they don't even care about the realities of life on Earth anymore.

So really, they'd be saying "Caine who? My catalogue of every molecule in the solar system is far too important to waste time on such trivialities. *mutter mutter*"

>>51403809
>Porthos regularly walked the halls of Horizon naked

He would also kill an apprentice for touching his favorite yogurt.

His midnight kitchen snack raids were legendary.

>>51403584
To the best of my knowledge only one outcome from Ascension had that as a possibility. Everyone Awakens, everyone has their own reality around them defined by their own personal Paradigm. Everything becomes true, for someone somewhere. Everyone is an Archmage in their own right, but the limits of their power start and end with them.

It was one of the more upbeat endings, but roleplaying "after the end" would be extremely difficult.

>>51403880

Not new thread

Actual new thread; sorry about the earlier mix-up.

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