/btg/ - BattleTech General

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>>51389445

>>51389445
Sure looks better than the old bitch in Mechcommander 2.

What are some cool variants the Cappies have developed for mechs they don't actually build? Refit kits might be the term.

Like I just used their PPC refit of the Clint and it's a big improvement in my eyes. I was kind of surprised they made one for it.

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So bringing over the discussion of OST aesthetics from previous thread. We have a design that has been basically untouched visually since the early Knutson and Loose illustrations. Lewis doesn't count since he is shit.
Shimmy's redesign has caused dissatisfaction.
Where do we go next visually?
The whole point is to capture notable design motifs and bring them forward, onto the new art.

>>51389663
fuck off

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I mean, do you triple niggers want battle eggs? I can do that. My goal with this whole sprite project is to provide a nicer visual experience in MegaMek.

>>51389663
>Where do we go next visually?
I kind of want a halfway mark between the old Macross art and something more striking. One way simply is to take some weapon mounts current used in 3025 reseen art and kind of paste them in places of where the weapon mounts would be in the original anime art, I don't want to lose the original egg shape as that's very striking and works well with the concept of one company making various models.
I haven't really been on board with much of the Ost- art for a long time as it's been rather clumsy.

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>>51389788
Thanks, I can dig it, Ostmann Industries is a unique company in lore, and I want to do the whole OST series justice. I'm not Flying Debris though. I'll post some variations later for feedback again. Gif related, but only jokingly.

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>>51389764

i want battle eggs

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>>51389882
Not a prob. I really enjoy your hard work.
I do find it a little silly that the original mech name for the Locust in the Crusher Joe anime was "Ostall." Oh you, Battletech!

I was watching a Let's Play of Mechwarrior 4 and in one mission the mechs use "drop cradles" to deploy onto a the battlefield. When they touched down the cradles split and fell off. Is this a real thing or was it invented for the game? I can't find any reference to it on Sarna or elsewhere.

>>51390206
They're called "Drop Cocoons" and are part of the standard extra weight in a dropship's drop bay via the construction rules.

In fluff IIRC, this feature was first showcased on clan dropships in the invasion. The IS tended to use jettisonable jump packs and regular jump jets for hot drops. Nowadays, you hardly see it in fluff. It's almost always jumpjet hotdropping.

>>51389764
Emphasize the head area panels a bit more. The shoulders and pecs should flare out a bit and the center chest should be a bit sunken. And slant back the spotlight just a tad for more detail.

If you have the old mini, it will give you a better sense of the proportions. It's not fully round like that.

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>>51389555
>I was quite attractive in my youth, Sang-wei!

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Reposting because I'm not sure if the faget who asked for this edit got it.

>>51390300
>uses Capellan rank
>pic of a Drac

Shamefur dispray.

Although the Capellans, true to Fast & Furious: Language Drift, got military ranks full of wrong to join the glorious DCMS. Truly it's the new Concord of Kapteyn.

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>>51390290
thanks for the feedback.

I'll revisit this hot mess tomorrow

>>51390260
> It's almost always jumpjet hotdropping.
It's not an either/or though, drop cocoons are for entering the atmosphere and are shed before hitting the ground, so jump jets/packs are still necessary.

>>51390502
I can't tell them apart

>>51392741
Which makes it even more Capellan, old school Capellan specifically, back when the emblem had a katana and shit.

>>51390941
>You literally posted a retconned picture, though
[citation needed] + irrelevant anyway because my point still stands

Are the leaping rules not in the new Battletech Manual?

>>51392881
What leaping rules?

>>51392924
From TO. Climbing and leaping and whatnot. Rules for level changes beyond 3 with all the risk that goes along with.

>>51392797
I would post a source if the forums were up, but for now it is common sense that shimmyseens are the canon appearance of the mechs and the old art is not valid.

And your point is not valid since the picture you posted is not Battletech anymore, it is similar to use a macross pic to justify where's Archer cockpit is located

>>51392950
>I would post a source if the forums were up
holy shit they're still down.
What the hell did they fuck up? Does this have anything to do with the boxed set being in the catalyst store accidentally?

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>>51392950
>and the old art is not valid
I'm an old grog and will use the old art alongside the new stuff until the day I become the new emperor.
>fuck the Catalyst police

>>51392940
Ah. No, only the sprinting rules made it in.

>>51392950
>and the old art is not valid.
[citation still needed]
Find me a Shimmyseen that is the -2D. I'll wait. What I have seen seems based on the art I posted not the egg shit.

>And your point is not valid
It's even more valid since shimmy's art proves my point. This isn't even debatable unless you're just confused.

>>51392979
Doubt it, since the store and OF are separate (the store is still up).

>>51393029
Didn't the store go down too at the same time? It's back up, but I recall not being able to access the store either.

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>>51392950
Looks consistent with how I've seen other people draw the Ostroc.

>>51393012
That's unfortunate. Seems like a common-sense - if highly situational - rule. We spent quite a bit of time looking for it in BTMb last night.

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>>51389663
How's this?

>>51393061
I kind of like that version of the Ostroc, but what is that second mech firing the PPC in the second position. I don't recognize it.

>>51393057
Can't say, sorry. I never tried to access it at the same time, and haven't heard from anyone that it went down as well.

This is definitely the longest the OF has been down since the attack that lost the whole forums back a few years ago, which worries me. Still pissed that Deathshadow just dropped his backup without notice and took off, so that no one has a copy of all those posts.

>>51393101
Gladiator GLD-4R

>>51393101

The one jumping in the background? That's a gladiator. Drac 55 tonner.

>>51393068
I think it's the "highly-situational" part that left it out. They said only the easiest and/or most commonly used rules would be added.

>>51389445
Capellans eh?

When did Xin Sheng really start?

I've look at the original TRO 3050 and it looks like the Cappies were technologically better off than I thought before. How bad were they really in 3050?

I just wonder looking at how things are now if it isn't a good thing Hanse hit the Confederation instead of the Combine in 3028.

>>51393134
>>51393137
Thanks guys. That's a mech I don't have a lot of experience with.

How would you organize these?

>OTT-7K Ostscout
>CLNT-2-3T Clint
>VND-1R Vindicator
>HBK-4G Hunchback
>WVR-6R Wolverine
>OSR-2C Ostroc
>CPLT-C1 Catapult
>TDR-5S Thunderbolt

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>>51390147
>"Ostall." Oh you, Battletech!

I joyously discovered that I had not thrown out my old Ostall (Locust) model. It's just in really bad shape, and I think one of the "toes" is missing. It's gonna take a lot of work to rehabilitate this lad!

There's also a Spartan (Archer) in there in similar condition. The rear-firing lasers are a lost cause.

>>51393963
Lance One:
Thunderbolt
Catapult
Ostroc
Hunchback

Lance Two:
Wolverine
Vindicator
Clint
Ostscout

Unfortunately, your choices are hampered by MP. The Catapult is the odd man in its lance with the jumping MP, but I prefer to put it in with a pile of other heavies so it's not immediate target though it does fit since after dumping the LRM magazines it gets in close with the rest of its lance.

The second lance all jumps, and the Wolverine and Vindicator can act as backstops to the Clint and Ost.

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For the tech between 3030 and 3049, how much of that is Helm Core stuff and how much original innovation by the Houses?

>>51394080
The Hatchet and the corrosive liquid single critical Double Heat Sink are all the Houses could recover before the Helm core. And that chart is fucked.

>>51394080
>3039-3049 tech recovery
You should honestly ignore that stuff from those sources. It's a bigger fucking mess than retconned Star League design availability.

But to answer your question, it's all Star League tech. Non Star League is stuff like Ultra's that aren't 5's. LBX's that aren't 10's. C3. etc.

Well, except the hatchet. That's 100% homegrown tech. But they can't even get that straight. The hatchet was invented by Team Banzai in 3025 but that chart gives it to the Lyrans in 3022.

>>51394169
Interesting that the first LBX remains the best all the way through BT history. Even the Clans couldn't improve it significantly.

>>51394148
>>51394169
The chart did confuse me more than a little. I've been reading TRO3050 and it said the Capellans had no progress with technology (except TSM) until the FWL helped them in 3046.
Then this chart has stuff like them getting endo-steel, streak, CASE, pulse, ER, DHS, FF armor, gauss rifles, etc before 3046.
Since the fluff had the FWL giving them Helm Core tech in 3046 I'd have expected the League to have a lot of that tech well before the CapCon. I dunno.

Lance 1
TDR-5S Thunderbolt
WVR-6R Wolverine
HBK-4G Hunchback
CLNT-2-3T Clint

Lance 2
OSR-2C Ostroc
VND-1R Vindicator
CPLT-C1 Catapult
OTT-7K Ostscout

Lance one is the command lance. The commander, a distant cousin of the Archon, pilots the Thunderbolt(family 'Mech). He's an experienced Lyran commander with over five hundred confirmed social functions under his belt. He's banging the Wolverine pilot, so she gets XO position. The Hunchback is piloted by the commanders cousin. The Clint is an indentured servant of the Hunchback pilot.

The Ostroc pilot has by far the most actual combat experience, so he's been sidelined in the cannon fodder force. The Vindicator and Catapult are both salvage, piloted by relative nobodies that nobody will miss. The last pilot in the cannon fodder force is considered a political liability and is therefore piloting the battle armor. Hopefully that situation will sort itself out if you get my drift.

>>51394406
this in reply to
>>51393963

>>51394351
>The chart did confuse me more than a little.
Probably because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
It should be removed like discount kebab after a night out

>>51394299
I suspect that was the intent, that the LBX 10 was made back in the heyday of the Star League so the other IS ones ended up not as good. Which is kind of ridiculous given the IS had been studying lostech and making LBX-10s to Star League spec for years by the time they got to making the other sizes in addition to referencing to captured Clantech versions as well. And crunch wise it is absolutely ridiculous, especially for the LBX 2 and 5 since the originals are too goddamned heavy in the first place.

>>51393196
3052 is when he took over and it really kicked into gear.
3050 they were okay, but 4SS it was in periphery state-tier trouble.

>>51393196
>How bad were they really in 3050?
On the very brink of collapse. Military spending like the last days of the soviet union meant they could stay almost in the running tech-wise, but their military was falling the fuck apart and almost 50% mercenaries, and their economy was nonexistent
Read 20YU for a more complete picture of how utterly dire their situation was

>>51394507
I think it was more than 50% mercs IIRC

>>51394528
That's completely dependant on how you count the Big MAC, since they're 1/6 of the entire CCAF in 3050. If you don't count them as mercs, it's under 50, if you do, it's over.

>>51394148

>And that chart is fucked.

The tech retcon has been in for a long time now. Take a look at the Tech Manual some time.

Whether we like it or not things like that are canon.

>>51394549
I count em as mercs until XIN SHENG

>>51393973
They use to sell these basic model kids in the 80s at the same time as Battletech was pretty much new. They were generically called R.O.B.O.T. and they were just Macross machines from the Valkyries to the ground mechs. I had a boatload of those and built them for a long time and kind of used them as silly decorations for the mechs in the old 2nd Edition main intro game.

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>>51394885
>used them as silly decorations for the mechs in the old 2nd Edition main intro game.

If you positioned the feet just about right, they would *almost* fit in a hex on map. Playing was clunky, but you could still do it.

>>51395088
I knew a guy once who had a bunch of those minis. He redrew the classic introbox map at 2× scale on 2-inch hexpaper he'd gotten somewhere so that the scale would look right, it was pretty cool. He also built a bunch of buildings and vees out of lego at the same scale, which was very neat. Wonder if I've got a picture anywhere

Is it just me or are all the dragons and grand dragons really undergunned for their weight?

>>51395208
It's not just you.

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Rate my Mechengineering.

>>51395208
They are fast and pretty well armored. So yea undergunned. A fun mech even if not the best. Once you go Grand Dragon you can't go back to the AC one.

>>51395208
Such is the struggle of the fast heavy.
Plus they're 60-tonners, and 60 tons is a shit weight. The Dragon woulda been better off at 55 tons, really

>>51395248
kek/10
Would use

>>51395274
The SLDF felt the same way, which is why they bought the SHD-2H.

>>51395218
>>51395261
>>51395274
So, how would you fix it, while keeping the same speed profile?

>>51395274
but 12pt kick

>>51395426

The Intro-tech Grand Dragon is actually fine for the era.

The 3050 "upgrade" fucks up by going to an XL Engine, being over-sinked, and turning an extra ML to the rear.

>>51395426
The Grand Dragons aren't bad (though the 3050 one needs to unfuck it's rear-facing gun issue). The base dragon really is just dragged down by it's AC/5. Give it a LL, two more MLs and two more SHS and it's suddenly an actually good mech
Also, replacing the LRM-10 with twin 5s and more armor is always a good (if a little cheesy) option

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>>51395515
>The 3050 "upgrade" fucks up by going to an XL Engine, being over-sinked, and turning an extra ML to the rear.

I agree that it has too many heat sinks for what it does, and, like >>51395564 said, the rear-facing guns just seem stupid... but the XL engine could have been a big deal. I think the designers wanted to keep the profile and armament similar, so rather than install a 300XL engine, which would have saved 9.5 tons, they installed a 360XL, which only saved 2.5 tons. Had they gone with a 300XL (and still upgraded to double heat sinks, even if they didn't add any more than it already had), they could have really kitted this beast out... but I think that would have lead to a radically different machine!

>>51395682
With the 300XL... Maybe an AC-GR swap? That would be interesting

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>>51395682
>>51395703
I like this one. Admittedly it has JJ, but unless you swap to an LRM-15 or something, the extra mobility is good.

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My new Grand Dragon scout mech to compete with Phoenix Hawks and Wasps / Stingers. This this madness?

>BTW the latest Mega Mek Lab (I do use Skunk but it's not on this comp) won't register the critical spaces for an XL Gyro.

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>>51395515
>The 3050 "upgrade" fucks up by going to an XL Engine

Everything else I agree with you on, but an XL is absolutely <required> to give a fast heavy Mech enough tonnage to mount a reasonable payload. XL engines are what allow "heavy cavalry" Mechs to exist in the first place.

With that said, the 3050 "upgrade" to the Grand Dragon is shit for the reasons you mention.

A Grand Dragon -5K which goes 6/9 and has Endo can be a really solid design, see attached. Good punch at all ranges for bracket fighting, not oversinked, and 95% armor. It's only possible because of an XL engine.

XLs are not inherently bad, like a great many idiots believe.

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>>51395718

Here's one that happens to be similar, again swapping out the autocannon for a gauss rifle. I put rear-facing lasers on it solely because of the Orpheus's appearance (I think those are actually supposed to be components to some kind of mag-lev system), unintentionally mimicking the Dragon!

>>51395426
My fix on the 3050 grand dragon is to put the MLs forward, go to endo, remove the oversinking, and either add 6JJs, to create the ultimate bugstomper, or replace one of the MLs with a LPL. Maybe also do the LRM swap like >>51395564 says for more armor

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>>51395821

Going 6/9 doesn't help it though. I mean, yay, it can keep up with Stormcrows and shit, but it's still going to get raped by Clan Mediums, and even a few lights. Decent Clan Heavies are going to completely shred it.

That being the case you may as well be as big a pain in the ass as possible to kill.

If you fully redesign it to be a fast-moving energy boat or something then yes, 6/9 absolutely makes sense but if you're retaining the weapons loadout of the Grand Dragon I'm less sold on the idea.

I don't believe XLs are inherently bad either. I just think that you can't get enough out of one, either at 5/8 or 6/9 on the Grand Dragon to make it worth using one over a SFE.

Are there instances of occupying clans letting the people of a planet maintain their original culture, or do they all get Kerensky'd? If there are, which clans typically do it?

If a mech has two physical weapons (eg one claw/axe in each arm), can they attack with both like with punches or are they limited to physical weapon per round?

>>51396334

>Are there instances of occupying clans letting the people of a planet maintain their original culture,

Yes, the Wolves do this and the Sharks/Foxes mostly stick to their own enclaves and leave everyone else alone. The Ravens haven't meddled too much in the OA either.

>or do they all get Kerensky'd?

Everyone else gets Xin Clanned.

>If a mech has two physical weapons (eg one claw/axe in each arm), can they attack with both like with punches or are they limited to physical weapon per round?

I think there is a SPA to make more than one physical attack per turn but other than that optional rule the only way to make more than one attack per round is if you are using Punches or Claws.

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New to BT, but I saw this on the booru. What is this gold mech?

>>51396438
I think that's the jinggau, not sure though

>>51396285
>I don't believe XLs are inherently bad either. I just think that you can't get enough out of one, either at 5/8 or 6/9 on the Grand Dragon to make it worth using one over a SFE.

The crux of this argument is that you think that the Grand Dragon should not exist.

You aren't wrong, but still.

>>51396438
Viking II(c?) I believe

>>51396438
>>51396453

Non-canon kitbash.

>>51396453
Jutting torso is similar, but it just has one pair of gun arms.

>>51396453
Checked sarna, I don't think it's the Jinggau.
>>51396462
It looks close to a Viking IIC, but...
>>51396481
this guy is probably right with the stubby little arms and gun pods.

I hope this is right. Thanks guys.

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>>51396462
>>51396438
It's a viking IIC with different side arms and hands

>>51396438
Definitely an interesting kitbash. Strange color scheme though.

Torso and missile pods (sans covers, which are custom I believe) are from the Viking. Torso laser clusters are from a Stone Rhino variant. Legs are heavily modified Viking legs (stripped the gun knees, changed the feet which is why they look a little off). Don't recognize the arms at all.

>>51396523
Legs are wrong too (missing the gun knees, wrong feet). It's a kitbash.

Has NEA been around lately? I wanted to mention I saw something in a TRO that seems to contradict his introbox pdf.

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>>51396523
Thanks bro.
>>51396555
>Definitely an interesting kitbash. Strange color scheme though.
I love gooooooold!

>>51396460

No, as I said the problem with the Grand Dragon is that given how common it is for the Dracs (pobably around 1/4 to 1/3rd of the DCMS is some flavour of Dragon) the problem is how little you gain from going to an XL.

Extra speed won't help you with the Clans, who go that fast or faster. Nor will it help you against the FedCom, who will just Gausswall you at the same range.

Similarly, going to a 300XL won't get you enough guns to challenge the Clans or FedCom unless you change from the ER PPC/LRM-10/ML model to a fast-moving flashbulb design, probably something that has two standard PPCs, a bunch of MLs, and C3.

An SFE upgrade of the 3025 version gets you something that's still quite mobile for a heavy, has the same firepower as the 3050 upgrade, but is substantially more rugged than an XL version so when used in swarms it's a bigger pain in the ass to kill.

>>51389555
That wasn't the chancellor.

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Thoughts on the Hermes II?

webm unrelated except I was thinking of naming it "Xin Sheng cultural revolution"

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>>51396632
>make a grand dragon variant yesterday on a whim
>go to btg
>see this conversation

Well, I guess this is as good a time as any to post mechs (I also have a 6Kr variant which swaps the MRM for two SSRM4s and C3 Slave, and a 6KA variant that removes the CT ML for Apollo V).

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>>51396840
>racist as always lol

So... this laundry detergent causes yellowing and shrinkage?

>>51396874
>MRMs
>ever
why.png

>>51389555
That wasn't the Chancellor. The woman from MC2 was the leader of Liao forces on Carver V, Mandrissa Anita Cho. She's not even a member of House Liao, just a Capellan trying to reclaim a planet the Federated Commonwealth took from her family when they killed her husband prior to the FedCom civil war.

>>51396738
This guy knows what's up.

>>51396937
Because you want to make use of the Accurate Weapon (MRM-20) quirk?

>>51396937
Because I like MRMs. I know they aren't very good, but I still like them. And if others don't, that's what the 6Kr is for.

>>51396438
Viking IIC, Launcher doors look like they're off of a limited edition Catapult, arms look awfully like Black Angel arms.

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>>51396891
>So... this laundry detergent causes yellowing and shrinkage?

It promises to banish dirt to the land of wind and ghosts.

>>51396580
>Has NEA been around lately?

No, actually. He's been talking locally about getting a new show together, so he's probably got a ton of work to do.

What's the problem? I can get it to him next time I talk to him.

>>51397189

The problem is that he's a cheating pedo tranny-loving faggot who needs to be shot in the back of the head to put him out of all of our misery. Just like everyone from your bullshit cheating shithole of a city. Every fucking one of you needs to die in a goddamn fire, and if I can ever manage to drive up there and figure out where you cheating fucks play, I'm going to make sure that each and every one of you dies just like that.

>>51397189
It's nothing major, and maybe a retcon I didn't catch before. I just read in one of the TROs (3039 or 3050 iirc) that the Assassin is most common in the Free Worlds League, but NEA's intro pdf has it listed as most common with the Dracs, Feddies and Lyrans.

>>51397333
Man I thought you fell into a vat of acid and died. Could you please?

When did Crud factories open on Ascunsion and Bernardo? Or were they always there since the game started?

And when did the Longbow factory on Emris IV reopen?

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>>51397383

Pretty sure that's a retcon, but I'll let him know. Still, it's not like it affects anything major, since the Assassin is one of the spare Mechs which doesn't get used in any of the actual lances.

>>51396438
>>51396555
>>51396596
Just an aside, but it is not painted at all, just raw pewter with warm environment lighting.

>>51396555
I think that thing is bare pewter under a yellow light.

>>51397522
Yeah I know. Just caught my eye while I was reading.

>>51397383
>>51397522

TY for heads-up. Yes, I've been working.

OK, so the Assassin fluff is a clusterfuck.

TRO:3025: Everybody BUT the Capellans has the ASN. It outright says Liao has no working ASNs. It says that Davion has enough of them to warrant the ASN-101 variant. It says that Marik has a bunch. It implies that Kurita has a bunch of them (Amphigean LAG) and lost a huge number of them to the Lyrans. The Maltex Corp produces ASNs in Combine (Unity) and Suns (Errai) space.

TRO:3050 (OG & Revised): Gives no relevant deployment info.

TRO:3050 Upgrade: The Lyrans had enough ASNs to try a LFE variant circa 3062. Suddenly the Cappies have a fully-functional ASN line on Hellespont. They export large numbers of ASNs to the MAF and TDF.

TRO:3039: It's all Marik, all the time. Also, there were only 3 ASN-101s. The factories are still on the other side of the Inner Sphere from the FWL.

Basically, I couldn't tell you why I limited the ASN in the way I did, given that was ~2 years ago. There's ample evidence to make the ASN available to literally everybody (though I'm almost positive I disallowed it to the Cappies because it explicitly wasn't at all available to them in 3025). If I were to guess, I'd say I disallowed it to the Mariks because all of the fluff about "having enough of them to make a variant" went to everybody else, and the factories for the ASN are all on the other side of the Inner Sphere.

Oh, and the Tactics&Painting Guide from the IntroBox flags the ASN as a "Davion" Mech (pg 12), which certainly would have influenced the choice. I used that guide first and foremost, specifically because it came with the IntroBox and people looking to paint their IntroBox minis would be confused if my PDF and the Guide disagreed.

Certainly, it's not like you'd be breaking anything by adding "FWL" in the ASN entry. The Mech doesn't get actually used by any of the lances in the first place, so it doesn't change much to allow it to be FWL-flagged.

>>51398073
I like how detailed your answers usually are, even if it's just me spotting blurb in TRO 3039 and asking about it. Thanks for the response.

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What's your favorite Purple Burd mech/tank/battle armor?

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neat

>>51398705
>What's your favorite Purple Burd mech/tank/battle armor?
>Albatross
>LRM Carrier
>Good ol IS Standard

>>51398705

Albatross because it's fun. There are better mechs, but it's like a 95-ton swiss army knife. Also I like to use the Longinus battle armor a lot, or the Achileus if I'm being a dick.

>>51398996
The Longinus is great, as far as BA goes. It's basically the Inner Sphere equivalent of the Toad, with it only having the jettison-pack requirement.

>>51399014

>tfw the nice things the League gets aren't mechs so no one notices

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>>51398765
>Awesome goes in all fields

>>51399014
It could have been so much better if they went with 10 armor and arm-mounted OSSRM.

How are most Heavy Mech Lances built in the sphere?

Thunderbolts, Archers, Warhammers and Marauders?

>>51399049
>posts worst Awesome
Nigga you went full retard

>>51398073

Never figured you for a feddie apologist, NEA. Why would you give them anything else? Don't they have enough Mechs designs already?

>>51399214
Those four plus local common machines make up the bulk, yeah. Also, the Crusader is actually very common, it's just that nobody likes to play it because it sucks

>>51399371

>just that nobody likes to play it because it sucks

Because of that arm exploding business?

I like it in spite of that.

>>51399387
It's more that 90% of it's post-3025 variants are complete trash
Although it's 3025 variant isn't great, either. Too many explosives, not enough sinks

>>51397417
Is this not new?
What's this dude's problem?

>>51399435
What variants are good? I like the look of it and want it to be useful.

>>51399503
He's been at this for years, but sporadically. Probably whenever he gets out of jail, he shows up for more psychotic hate shitposting

What are some signature House Dai Da Chi mechs?

>>51399631
Isn't the Lao Hu one?

>>51399631

Xin Sheng ones since they got the pick of those.

Sha Yu, Men Shen, Ti T'sang, Jinggau, Yu Huang, anything with Stealth.

>>51398705
Awesome, Awesome and Awesome

>>51397333
Oh, its this guy again. I bet you're a ghost bear, aren't you?

>>51399508
I'm gonna repost another fine anon's analysis.
One thing to keep in mind is that with even the slightest bit of customization allowed, some of the shittier cruds are very easy to make OK.
Part 1:
>Cruds:
This is gonna be a long one. The Crusader has always kinda been the "special kid" in the Unseen class. Sure, the Locust has haemophilia and the Rifleman shits itself uncontrollably, but the CRD just sits in the corner rhythmically banging its head against the wall, eating paste and screaming obscenities at random. Anyway..
CRD-2R: Pops a pair of Streaks-2 in each leg, and amazingly removes the CT bomb. This is literally the only Crud that can take an ammo hit and keep on ticking (the -7L can survive one, but is reduced to a pair of MLs).
CRD-3R "Crael": Quad sixes feeding off of a single ton of ammo in the CT, plus a ton of MG@ in the CT. Drops the LRMs for claws, but doesn't add jets. It's.. well, it's interesting to play in Solaris.
CRD-4BR: Double torsobomb in the CT. Which is incredibly retarded given the perfectly good CASEd ammo bins in the side torsos. At least split up the fucking @MG into half-tons in the side torsos, guys. Hell, drop the Streak system and put a ton of SRM ammo in each leg, it'd be fucking safer.
4D: Um, they swapped the MG@ for a heatsink. Slightly better. Pulses and SSRMs on a unit with 4/6/0, though? Pass.
4K: Same speed/ammo/pulse problem, now with shittier LRM launchers and better SRMs.
5K: I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's a fairly decent MRM unit. Cheap C3s support.
-5M: A better-than-average 3050s upgrade, and one of my favorites. An ammo blow still kills it, but the side torsos are relatively packed and the wreck is salvageable. And an AMS actually sort of makes sense on an LRM boat.

>>51399508
>>51399854
><cont>
5S: CASE in the center torso. Baby Jesus he'p me. Should have used Endo to get jets and some more ammo.
6M: An efficient brawler with decent critpacking. One of the better Cruds.
7L: If the RT goes, the 'Mech is useless. And there is SO much ammo in the RT. Uses its Stealth efficiently, and fights a lot like a Catapult. Another "good" CRD.
7W: Slow, MML-focused. fireworks factory. Has about the same ranged firepower as a stock Crud, but brutal up-close. Makes a decent bodyguard, but not the most intelligent use of Artemis.
8L: A nasty piece of work. Great at fucking with heat curves, has the ammo to play with mines or Infernos (more warcrimes than you can shake a Liao at), good speed, brutal punch at all ranges. The best Crud IMO - too bad it kinda acts like a WHM.
8S: HGR and jets. Low armor. At least it doesn't have a Small Cockpit?

>>51399732
>>51399718
What PS would they be on average and what weight class do they favor?

>>51399503

The short version is that the Cincy Battletech group is too good at what they do, and when they had a several-year-long stretch of dominating the play at GenCon (because nobody wanted to play the Blakists, so the cincy group went and did it en masse), some people got exceptionally butthurt. It got to the point where at least one person deliberately broke into cincy player accounts on the official forums, copied NDA'd information, and released it so that CGL would kick the cincy people off the demo team and out of GenCon. He bragged about it here several months later and released the passwords so we could verify for ourselves that he was telling the truth about getting the cincy people back.

It partially worked - at least two cincy people were outright kicked off the demo team, and the other 5-6 of them who helped out CGL soon followed after since they didn't want to work for the company once CGL'd been notified of the facts of the matter and refused to reinstate the people in question, or even apologize privately. It's too bad, because it was extremely obvious to everyone that the cincy people were some of the best players, playtesters, and GMs which CGL had access to, and it was even money whether they would be running the whole demo team by this point. The GenCon Battletech and Leviathan events have very clearly gotten worse since they left.

Anyway, every once in a while he comes here and spews bile. It's probably one of the reason's NEA can be easy to bait; after getting actually hunted for half-a-decade by somebody who's outright trying to ruin his life, I'd be pretty goddamn touchy too.

>>51399902

>8L: A nasty piece of work. Great at fucking with heat curves, has the ammo to play with mines or Infernos (more warcrimes than you can shake a Liao at), good speed, brutal punch at all ranges. The best Crud IMO - too bad it kinda acts like a WHM.

The Project Pheonix one is the one I think about when I hear the word "Crusader".

It's also the one the Sphere generally uses after the Jihad isn't it?

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>>51397510
I think the first (IRL) mention of Crud manufacture on Ascuncion and Bernardo is in TRO3050. 1SW confirms that there was some level of military production on those worlds (at that time held by the Confederation) but doesn't indicate that the Crud was included, or even that it was 'mech production. FR2765:CCAF mentions that Kallon, at that time, intended to open multiple Crusader plants in the Confederation, but doesn't say where. It's not too much of a stretch to guess that the factories on those two worlds are it, and they've been making Cruds since at least the start of the Succession Wars.
1SW could be referring to the Earthwerks factories on those two worlds, but all we know about them is that they would eventually build the Flea.

TRO 3039 mentions damage to the StarCorps plant on Emris IV in 3014 (apparently enough to halt Longbow manufacture, but not Warhammer production, according to the same book) and comments that the rebuilding is nearly complete. It neglects to say if it's nearly complete in the time the book is written about, 3039, or the time of the book's in-universe publishing, 3073.
TRO:Project Phoenix lists Emris IV as a Longbow manufacturing site though; that book's in-universe date is 3067 and the writeup puts that variants introduction at 3061, so either way 3039 (or shortly after) is the more likely answer.

>>51400088

Poking into other generals and seeing shit like this is why I play 40K. Sure, we've got some real man-children in our fanbase, but I've never heard of any 40K fan going to far as to try to ruin somebody's life or career over being assblasted by a fucking game.

If that's what your fanbase is like, it's a good thing your game is dying out.

>>51400656
Literally never heard of this before today.
Fanbase is overall pretty good.

>>51400656
Not sure why'd you base your playing habits on what some random loony might be doing, but we don't even know if it's real. Could be just some stupid anon story: not like there's any evidence outside all-anonymous 4chan.

Where are the special rules for units found?
Specifically House Dai Da Chi, if they have one?

>>51400656
>tfw I don't have the ERPPC b8 image
fug

>>51400831
Having been here for the above events and knowing the Cincy group, I can confirm that it happened. I know, another voice on 4chan, but it definitely did happen. Go to GenCon or Origins and talk to the Demo Team about why Cincy doesn't do it anymore, they'll confirm it too.

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>>51400831
>>51400656
>>51400874
I'll do you one better

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>>51400656
>>51400874

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>>51400831
>Could be just some stupid anon story:

Not just a story, I'm afraid. Here's the archive capture of where fuckstickanon revealed aforementioned password.

>>51400984

Jesus H. I love BattleTech, and my cousin was a huge player back in the day. But I would run screaming from a community that toxic. Hope you got a good local scene...

>>51400984
I remember it happening. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible that instead of some CSI Cyber dude both hacking the BT forums AND forging an IP address in order to smear a guy for the stated reason that Cincy runs their games too well (lol, jesus), that it was just DW giving us his password because he was done with BT and didn't give a shit who had his account. Every once in a while some person comes in here frothing at the mouth saying, "hey guys, death to Cincy, we have this anthrax", and then immediately after there's always Reasonable Guy to explain that "in case you all forgot, here's this terrible injustice that occurred".

No doubt DW was fired. Maybe it was even for a shit cause. Doesn't mean he can't be behind this.

>>51401159
>immediately after there's always Reasonable Guy

Have you ever considered that there's 4-5 cincy guys who are here regularly who interact with him on a very regular basis. Also,

>Doesn't mean he can't be behind this

Aside from it being completely, impossibly, out of character, you have some serious paranoia happening there, anon. Blame the jews while you're at it.

>>51401277
I say it could be the guy who has access to his own password. You're arguing that a) instead it was a leet hacker with forum hacking and IP forging abilities who struck because he was mad at how good Cincy was, and so I'm obviously the paranoid one.

Up is down, black is white.

>>51401341
As someone with a background in infosec, it's not super far-fetched, really. Assuming it's true, of course.

If he was using the same username and password at different sites (which is totally possible and plausible), and one was compromised and part of a dump (like maybe the massive Yahoo hack?), one could log into a vulnerable site, get that info from a forum backend (many of them openly show it like vBulletin).

With the same user/pass shared across sites, it would be trivial to go in and get his info. Of course this makes a few assumptions, but none of it is outside of the realm of possibility.

>>51401341
>with forum hacking and IP forging abilities

Guessing a password on a forum is hacking now? Also, whose talking about IP forging. By >>51400984's own admission, fuckstickanon figured out DW's IP address from the Cincy BT website, took screenshots of NDA'd material from the OF, and photoshopped DW's IP address over top of his own IP address in the bottom right corner of posts (since the IP address of the accessing computer is what appears there, not necessarily that of the account holder).

That's not elite-level hacking shit. That's something anybody with a bot program and a couple of days to kill can do. As to whether somebody can be motivated enough to pull something like that, have you ever BEEN to a fucking con? "Autistic man-children" doesn't even begin to describe the bottom 20% of this player base.

As to whether he did it to himself for some reason, hell, I'd believe CGL did it themselves before I'd believe he did that himself. Again, it's retardedly out of character, and since he was still with CGL when this happened there'd be absolutely nothing to gain. Afterwards? Yeah, maybe if he was bitter enough. But he sure as fuck didn't seem that bitter in person, so as far as I'm concerned, your musings are simply an attempt to retroactively whitewash what happened.

Can we talk about real battletech for a while? We're about to have to face a shitton of Society forces (about 2 trinaries) with 2 binaries of mid-range non-elite Clan stuff while we wait for our dropships to come rescue us. Any good ideas?

>>51401436
>If he was using the same username and password at different sites (which is totally possible and plausible)

The second post in >>51400984 makes that exact claim. DW was running the same password on the OF and on Cincy BT, and the guy used the ability to log into DW's Cincy account to pull his password, then log in to the OF account, screencap NDA stuff, and slap the new IP over the IP field in the bottom corner.

How plausible is that?

>>51401506
Fairly. All it takes is for that password to be known. Given the *vast* number of password leaks out there, including from major sources, it's not hard to link together accounts on different sites. As I said before, a lot of people reuse the same user/pass across different sites. It's for convenience of remembering.

>>51401457
>We're about to have to face a shitton of Society forces (about 2 trinaries) with 2 binaries of mid-range non-elite Clan stuff while we wait for our dropships to come rescue us. Any good ideas?

Stop playing Clannershit.

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>>51399854
>>51399902
Thanks to you and whoever wrote the analysis.

>>51401825
10/10 hearty chuckle

>>51399902

>8S:

> Low armor

So put it at the back of the Lance then?

>>51397333
Whole lot of talk and not a whole lot of evidence.

>>51401825
Cute, but is there a higher resolution of that one?

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>>51402270
Can't remember where I found that one in the first place, but apparently there's more to it. Unfortunately it's not higher resolution, wish it was.

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>>51399942

IS Elite so 2/3 on average.

Not too sure about their weight average but thanks to XIN SHENG XIN SHENG they probably fall in the heavy to assault range. Dai Da Chi are the most elite and second-best regarded of the Warrior Houses and probably 4th-best for supply (Death Commandos, Red Lancers, House Imarra, DDC) in the Confederation too. nothing is said in their FM entry one way or the other.

>>51400842

FM: CapCon.

>>51402330
The Roc was is cute, but I wonder what someone would do with some of those butt-ugly initial proto mechs with faces not even a mother could love.

For Megamek, is it possible to set enemy reinforcements? I want to set up a skirmish that involves striking fast and hard against an enemy compound, with the punishment of if I take too long I'll have to fight more enemy forces that will likely overwhelm me and cause me to take heavy or total losses.

>>51402797
Yes. Just change the deployment round to what you want for the reinforcements.

Which Clan is the lewdest?

>>51403109
Currently I would say Mad Falcon.

so I just spent 10 minutes making a RAC/5 shadow hawk. Only to discover I just cloned the 5D, minus full head ejection. oops. Still, glad to know when I refit half a company of them, there'll be a manual for it.

Monomech lances get talked about a lot in the fluff, so I'm wondering, in canon or since that likely doesn't exist, what fraction of lances on average would be set so? 1 in 10? 1 in 4? How about for mercenery units as compared to house ones?
Era-wise I'm thinking of 3025 and the late 50s in particular

>>51403547
>or since that likely doesn't exist
Or since that likely doesn't exist, your best judgement
Fucking backspace shit

>>51403547
Cappies would have mono lances of Vindicators because that's a lot of what they have. The Dracs would have a lot of mono lances of Panthers and Dragons.

>>51403547

Dracs have full battalions of 3025-vintage Dragons in the late 3050s, so there's that.

Mostly it's a thing with the SLDF era. After that it's pretty rare aside from specific designs and mostly then for the Dracs who have monoculture Companies and Battalions. The only other one I can think of off the top of my head is the Suns with all-Valk Lances.

>>51403624
Quite a few training battalions or companies with the same units, like Chameleons or Stingers, with only the instructor running something different.

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>>51396569
>>51396555
>>51396523
>>51396519
>>51396491
>>51396481
>>51396462
>>51396453
>>51396438
Yall niggas don't even Norseman.

>>51403547
>>51403562

Don't worry about the typo. Actual canon that everybody recognizes as canon and everybody agrees upon doesn't actually exist, so your first thought was correct.

>>51402382
Are the Capellans the best faction?

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What's your favorite medium mech? Any faction, any era.

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>>51404148
I'm a Lyran player.

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>>51404160

>>51403359
Megameks's advanced search options are nice for those moments when you have a mech idea but want to see if it basically already exists.

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>>51404160
Jokes aside, this mech has never let me down.
But also close second is vindi.

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>>51402388
Something like this.

>>51404148
Hunchback. Just so many good times with the old Ghetto Blasta in RPG play. Nicknamed my ride that due to the AC/20 and its housing looking like a shouldered boombox.

Damn solid mech even outside RPG play.

>>51404148

Shadow Hawk. I like to bump up the piloting because it's BV cheap and use it for charges.

>>51403926
I can't find a Norseman on Sarna. Where is this located?

>>51404148
Shadow Hawk because Dougram and reasons.

>>51404438
I've seen that and like what was done with the protos, but silly valentine's BT memes with these? How would that work?

>>51404148

For Inner Sphere, I've always had a soft spot for the Trebuchet.

Counting Clans, I just like those super-fast Clan Mediums, like the Fenris and the Dragonfly.

>>51404117

Yes they are, which is why you suck if you like them.

>>51404438
Who's the artist here?

>>51406334
FlyingDebris.

>>51404117

They've been riding high since 3052 and have access to some of the best stuff in the game. Their selection isn't quite as good as that of the Suns but it's not that far behind and they're doing a fuck ton better in the fluff.

Some of the best special unit rules in the game too.

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>>51405749
Pretty sure that its that one dude on LotB that kitbashes minis and commissions Shimmy to illustrate them. Shimmering Sword's deviant art will have the info.
>>51406334
shameful

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>>51404148
The Wolverine. All variants but as a Drac player, mostly the -6K.

>>51404311
I would give a lot of C-bills if the bloody Enforcer-4R had another ton of AC ammo.

>>51404148
Wolverine first, then Hunchback, Ice ferret, Omni Firestarter and both Blackjacks

>>51403926
How do yo handle crits and damage distribution when you have a mech with 4 arms?

>>51407227

By punching you in the face four times. Problem solved. N E X T!

I've been challenged to draw a mech from between 3055 and 3067 in FlyingDebris' style.

Which mech should I re-envision?

So far I have general ideas for the Falconer, Thanatos, Black Python, Kraken and Templar, but I gladly welcome any other suggestion that could be considered highly iconic for that particular decade.

>>51408039
Merlin or Striker. The Striker especially could use a facelift.

>>51408039
Penetrator. Those derpy legs... phallic gun arms... it's just messed up. I don't know what anybody could do with that thing and it's mini penis AMS in the crotch.

>>51408039
>>51408130
Do the Verfolger.

>>51407227
I think those side gun-pods... arms, whatever on the direct sides of the torso pretty much is either counted as part of the torso, or it's a retarded thing where the stubby arms and gun pods are all one crit area. Either way, it's kinda weird.

>>51408130
Strike seems interesting, though it and Merlin personally don't ring too many "Now THIS is TRO3055-3067!" bells.

>>51408159
Penetrator, hm, gonna give that a look.

>>51408210
Verfolger certainly looks visually interesting, I'll give it a quick try as well to see if any inspiration hits me.

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>>51408296 (You)
Forgot pic, heres where I'm at with the Templars quick rough sketch. Trying to go for a mix of MW4, the original concept with some flying debris shapes and visual styles.

>>51408318
Not that anon that suggested the Templar, but it's really nice. Would pilot with my waifu in the back seat feeding me grapes as I stomp about the countryside causing mayhem. I like.

>>51408318
Your templar looks good, but not too different from templar III (that was made to look like MW4, your inspiration)

You should compile your work in a site, I like your style but I don't even know how to search for your work

>>51404148
I'm really fond of the Dervish

>>51408039
The Cestus
Please, it's my only hope
(Alternatively the Falconder)

Why does Diamond Shark get the Jade Hawk?
Surely JF doesn't sell them, right?

>>51408039
Thanatos please
>>51408979
But why?

>>51409031
jade Hawk is not a JF mech. In fact, everyone but the Jade Falcon can get the mech

It was planned as such, but the original engineers fled the crazy falcons and gave the project to the Foxes with the condition that they didn't sell the mech to the falcons

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>>51410654

not enough late night shitposting

>>51396840
bump for answer

Making an underwater/amphibious mech as a dumb gimmick. How necessary is HarJel?

>>51396840
>>51410752

It's a stable, if rather underwhelming medium. Some variants are decent, like the -5SR or the -5SA. Others, like the -5ME, are flat out confusing.

>One gun
>It's a LGR
>fuck it, let's put DHS on it anyways

Trump dump bump or as Capellans would call it all hail Coleman the bringer of light and doom of Davion.

>>51410825
Do you like losing torso sections because of breach damage? Do you like killing your pilot because his mech got plinked in the face underwater? If you said yes to either of these, then no, HarJel isn't necessary.

>>51410898
>Do you like killing your pilot because his mech got plinked in the face underwater?
Huh, SSW say I can't install harjel in the head because it contains the cockpit.

TRO 3039 has me slightly confused on when some mechs stopped being produced and when they reentered production.

So, for example, the Highlander -733 was now in production on Corey around the 4th Succession War?

>>51410898
Can't put harjel same spot as the cockpit though, so only MASS will help you there.

>>51411283
>>51411321
Correct. I'm still pissed over that, and forgot the ruling. Sorry. Anyway, HarJel is good for torso breaches, if nothing else.

>>51411296
Sort of. Hollis Incorporated was basically doing garage work, refitting -732 models it seems.

>>51411341
The phrasing almost suggests Corey had a working production line.

>>51411365
Since the factory was destroyed on Corey in the First Succession War, no. Custom-build implies hand built.

>>51411395
What about the Guillotine, Thug and Black Knight? Did they stay in production anywhere during the Succession Wars?

>>51411429
The Guillotine and Thug were retconned as being in production at Irian Battlemechs Unlimited and Earthwerks Incorporated, respectively, while the Black Knight was OOP since 2820.

>>51411429
Black Knight wasn't, but apparently production was restarted at some point after the Clan Invasion.

How large is the technology gap between the Clans and Sphere?

Is it a century or only a few decades?

>>51411565
That's a very hard question to answer given the tech progression occasionally going into negative values and progression in general being slower than the real world.

>>51409242
This is all I have on the Thanatos so far. Rest of the legs are an even worse garbled mess that I don't dare show.

>>51411965
>progression in general being slower than the real world.
If anything it's not a matter of being slow, but just being kind of weird and progressing in varying intervals.

From the Mackie the TH goes from primitive to modern tech in about 30 years, to most of TL tech within around 100 years after that, then not much happens outside a few things here and there like the ERPPC, then the Clans jump to Clantech in about 40 years after the Exodus, despite having nowhere near the resources of the Star League, even if they possessed the knowledge.

The Star League era slowdown makes some sense given it was supposed to be mostly peaceful, but you still have Jonathan Cameron's military buildups in the late 27th/early 28th centuries, though a lot of that was towards SDS and shit. But you would think someone, somewhere in that time would have figured out how to make an ER medium or ER small laser, or an LBX AC other than the 10, etc.

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>>51412340
Thats the second time I fuck up posting an image...

>>51412365
Wouldn't use it as a Thanatos, but it has what it takes to make a decent Rampage.

>>51412350

Trying to make Battletech fluff make sense in your head is a sure way to die of an aneurysm. It is a madman's mix of FASAnomics and racism.

Hush, child, and enjoy the giant stompy robots.

>>51412592
Eh, I guess its the cockpit that's giving you the impression.

Guess I'll just flatten it out a bit.

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Wait, so it's only called the Grand Titan in the FedCom and everyone else calls it the Titan?

Wuhhhh

>>51413162
>Wait, so it's only called the Grand Titan in the FedCom and everyone else calls it the Titan?
Grand envy.

>>51413162
There was a Battletechnology design at the time called the Titan, though it's now been canonized, so it's the Grand Titan everywhere, I guess.

>>51412592
Yeah, I disagree, I'd use that as a Thanny all day long.

Got my first game in last night. Well, my first game since last March. It was a three player free for all. 5000pts per side.

My Lance was an interesting Steiner force. ATLAS AS7-D, Hunchback HBK-G, Zeus ZEU-6S and Commando COM-2D.

My brother fielded a Lance of PPC mechs consisting of a Vindicator VND-1R, Awesome AWS-8Q, Banshee BNC-3E *He took this one just to mock me since I'm a Steiner guy* and a Cicada CDA-3C.

The third opponent was a friend of mine and his first time playing. He brought a Star consisting of a JagerMech JM6-S, Panther PNT-9R, Cyclops CP-10-Z, Assassin ASN-21 and a Dervish DV-6M.

Saddly, we had to end before we could start the third round of combat. Both of the other players decided my Atlas was the scariest thing on the field and teamed up until they could destroy this. They ignored my Hunchback, which took out my brother's Cicada with it's AC/20 after missing with both of its Medium Lasers. We ran out of time because we kept having to turn to the rulebook and cheat sheets from the Introductory Box Set to make sure we were doing everything right. Since I was the only one to destroy a Mech last night, I was declared winner.

All in all, it was a good game. We agreed to meet as Chaos Games And More in Pueblo every Thursday to play Battletech. My brother and the friend are part of my D&D Adventurers League group that plays on Wednesdays at the same place. We just need to get the last remaining member of my D&D group to get hooked on Battletech.

>>51413476
I haven't played tabletop in ages. I've been using MegaMek. How long did your game take?

>>51413508
We started around 8pm and only had until 10pm to play due to my friend needing to head home around then. All three of us were technically new, I've only played about 3 to 5 games, depending on if you include games that don't use BV or not. We arrived at the store around 5 and D&D Adventueres League ended at 8 so I busted out my 3039 Record Sheets I printed out for the mechs in the Introductory Box Set, which I also had with me.

It was the new Box Set that came with the Mad Cat and Battlemaster. I actually forgot to bring the Battlemaster 3039 record sheets, so no one played it.

>>51412365
Looking sharp.

>>51413578

That'll speed up dramatically with practice and memorization of the basics.

>>51413876
I can't tell if btg is invading the OF or if the OF is invading btg

>>51413922
Enlighten a newbie. BTG and OF?

>>51413508

What's the best way to get into playing MegaMek as a newbie with no knowledge of the actual tabletop rules? I downloaded it and tried mucking about with it but I don't think I'm quite getting it.

>>51413939
This is BTG battle tech general
OF is Official forums.

>>51413992

This is kind of like asking what the best way to learn to be an electrician is without getting an apprenticeship. You may learn by trial and error but even if you succeed it's going to be a painful experience.

Just download the Master Rules or the Manual from the links in the OP.

>>51413939

BattleTech General and Official Forums.

>>51414101
>>51414112
Ah, yeah. I made a post about last night in the OF too. I frequent the OF often, or at least use to. Before the shop closed down its first campaign.

>>51413992
That's a tough one. Megamek definitely wasn't designed for a user that's not familiar with the rules.

I'd say take a gander at the quick-start rules to get an idea of how everything works.

https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-classic-battletech-br-quick-start-rules-pdf-1

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How does the Thanatos hold up in the tabletop game? Only ever used in it MW4.

>>51414205

It's utter shit. I mean, there are worse ways to spend 70 tons (like a Hatamoto that's lost one PPC and one SRM-6) but it's nothing you'd want to choose over the numerous better 'Mechs available to the FedCom powers in that era.

Is Michaelson Heavy Industries like the only VTOL manufacturer in the Inner Sphere?

>>51414205
Nothing much good to say. It's got an MRM 20 stock as it's big hitter that should say something.
Just for giggles the Felix varient is funny because all doise rocket launchers, plus a spare mpl

>>51414205
Decent speed and jump profile, but otherwise unremarkable.

>>51414376
No

>>51400895
It happened, but what's repeated over and over is only one exaggerated side of the story. For instance, the only result was NEA getting fired from the agents. There were no other firings, no bannings, nothing (but people did leave after that), and no proof of that has ever been shown, just anon talk. And the only proof that someone hacked into his forum account was a store receipt.

Meanwhile the IPs for all logins (until the password was released) all link back to NEA. Could have been faked, sure, but didn't seem likely.

Meanwhile, NEA choose to leave the OF behind (who could blame him), but there was one login later on (no posts, just a quick login), again from NEA's IP, and immediately afterwards the account password was released here on 4chan. Weirdly enough, the password was similar to one of NEA's email addresses, so either he had a real weak password that a stalker could have easily gotten to (backing up his story), or he or a friend changed the password to something nowhere close to any of his passwords and released that, in order to back up the story.

Lastly, the screen cap that caught CGL's attention was ultimately irrelevant. It dealt with a feud going on with NEA and AK on the OF that had landed both of them in some trouble, but once led to 4chan, all the badmouthing NEA was doing (and defending-then and since-NEA has always been fair), and that ultimately was just too much of a breach of Code of Conduct. NDAs or screenshotted posts had nothing to do with the ultimate decision.

But, this is just another anon post after all.

>>51401457
>took screenshots of NDA'd material from the OF, and photoshopped DW's IP address over top of his own IP address in the bottom right corner of post

Totally possible, but wasn't the case, since not only the IP of the post was reviewed by site admins, but all NEA's logins, ever.

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>>51414686

A) This subject is boring
B) For you to know that, you'd have to be an admin there, so we definitely aren't going to believe you given everything else we've seen out of you fucks
C) So, have a picture dump

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>>51414895

>>51414835
>>51414858
>>51414878
This begs a question from me.
What are your favorite physical features on various mechs. This doesn't have to be an entire design, just features. Like you like the stocky legs of an Archer with the old "X" on the sides, or the missile box "ears" of the Catapult and Mad Cat.
It's like asking if you like a girl's rack or eyes, or whatever. What floats your boat aesthetically?

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>>51414920

Don't really have one. Although I'll do the opposite and say that I think that Mechs with no distinct arms are hugely overused. Mechs that are just a torso and a pair of legs, and a gun attached at the shoulder are much, much too common. Sometimes it works (like the Rifleman). Most of the time it's awful (like the BTG/TRO spoiler art that Muninn released a bit ago, or that Davion Warcrimes Mech).

>>51414992
>Davion Warcrimes mech
Which one?

I definitely agree with what you said, with my personal biggest offender being either the Fafnir or the Vanquisher.

>>51415019
>Which one?
Maybe the Scarecrow?

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>>51414686
>And the only proof that someone hacked into his forum account was a store receipt.

Toronto Agent here. The man's proof was a store receipt timestamped from a store 20 minutes from his house, and when the timestamp on the post was like 30 seconds from the receipt. Without a mobile device, posting that was outright impossible...and it is <extremely> well-known in the Agent pool that he doesn't own mobile devices. It was simply impossible for him to post what you claimed he posted; the receipt demolishes that accusation on its own.

More importantly, aside from myself and my wife (whom he sent the defense to for a read-over before submitting it), nobody but Ray and Joel should ever have seen that defense. Which means you're Ray or Joel, and you're posting NDA'd information. You're goddamn right I'm screencapping this entire thing and sending it straight to Randall. You're disgusting, and the more I think about it, the more I think Team Cincinnati was right for quitting out on you people. I wonder how you'll run games if James's entire crew walks out the way we considered when we first learned about this?

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>>51414920
Forward canted cockpits and chicken legs

>>51400895
>>51414686
>>51415074

I'm sorry, but who the fuck are you people exactly and why are you taking a shit on this thread?

>>51415151
Some stupid drama from earlier in the thread. Ignore them.

>>51409313
That's
odd
why didn't they rename it?

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>>51415193

Mostly to piss off the Jade Turkeys, probably.

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>>51415074
I know it was mentioned on a thread a long time ago, but I always thought Lori looked like actress Corinne Bohrer. I had such a crush on Corinne back in the day so when I got the Gray Death Legion book I felt conflicted about my old crush / waifu being a pilot.

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>>51415204
Well that's a worthy reason I suppose.
Adding to the art dump.

Who did these old CCG art? It rocks.

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>>51415282

I'm not really sure. I don't have any of the cards anymore to check the art credits.

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>>51415276

We're almost there...
New thread
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>>51414579
What are some others in the Clan invasion era? Every VTOL I find in the TROs seems to be built by MHI.

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>>51414686
Who was NEA on the OF?

Stormfury?

>>51415526

Haha what.

Darrian_Wolfe or whatever the spelling and underscores were.

>>51415610

Wait, you idiots fired your best demo guy over something for which he had a solid alibi, because he disagreed publicly with somebody who has, in the years since, been proven so completely wrong that they retconned the rules for which he was responsible? And, again, over something for which he had a completely solid alibi?

Jesus fuck you people are goddamn idiots. Go back to the OF and stay there.

>>51415074
hey dave

>>51413476
Is there any reason the star was composed entirely of IS mechs?

>>51416388
solahma

>>51415913
Pretty much completely wrong. But so what.

After two day of gruelling hiking, I have discovered that Australia has thoughtfully made cell reception available at the top of their tallest mountain. Thus, I am able to observe Australia Day weekend by joining in the national pastime - shitposting.