Warhammer 40k General

>>51385609
First for Dark Eldar! Long live the Dark City!

>>51385620
Hell yes! Long love the Commorites!

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>>51385620

>>51385620

See, this is how it should be.

>>51385609
Nth for the God-Emperor of Mankind.

Also, nice picture, OP. It's nice to have a classic around again.

2nd for 'my army'!

>>51385609
That's an old OP.

It's time for WHAT ARMY DO YOU GUYS PLAY/ tg/?
Post the army you would describe yourself as playing most. Pics optional, bur recommended.

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We demand Astartes gender parity!

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>>51385620
When Vect the big boss man himself becomes playable again, what's your wishlist for his kit?

Thought experiment, how would you try to fix weaker codexes and units if the only thing you are able to adjust are points costs (of anything, including the base cost per model, the cost of options, and the cost of gear/relics)

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I used tank shock to knock a squad of ork boyz off of an objective, into charge range of my terminators.

It made me feel like a tactical genius.

>>51385669
Dark Eldar. I'm surprised theres so many who play DEldar on here! Or maybe it's me and one other guy... :(

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>>51385676
>ultrafaggot

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Thanks Donald Trump!

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>>51385669

Been playing them since 4th edition.

>>51385680
The army's first and only D weapon...Why the FUCK isn't the Void Mine one?

>>51385669
My camera shit itself to death in a violent display of technological gore, so I have no pictues to provide, but I play Guard.

I'm actually just getting back into 40k after a long hiatus that started mid 5th edition, no bully

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>>51385609
>tfw WS3 I3 A2
>on the super speed melee walker

>>51385669

No pics of them right this instant (WIP) but I'm playing a pretty filthy Eldar/Dark Eldar list. I own enough points to play either independently but in celebration of the impending merger I'm running them together.

What are you working on /tg/? Got any games planned? Played any games recently?

And to perhaps generate some constructive discussion, in opposition to that abomination of a previous thread: what do you want for you're armies (not faction, army) Primarch equivalent, and what would you like to see your army do in the "gathering storm"?

>>51385609
Who here uses terrain and fortifications in their games?

If you do use them, what do you use?

I personally use two Imperial Bunkers, a Firestorm Redoubt, two Defense Emplacements, two sets of Walls, and a Vengeance Battery, in varying combinations depending on the game. It makes my Chaos Marines significantly harder to kill, especially when you place Havocs in the forts with Autocannons and use the lines to bolster Noise Marines.

>>51385706
[laughing dreadnoughts]

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What does everyone think of stormcast marine conversions? I think they make good Blood Angels.

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>>51385686
Price everything in the Tau and Eldar codexes reasonably for their effectiveness. Decrease the cost on the effective units in weaker codexes. Stop giving people free units and models for formations. Etc etc etc.

>>51385737
I want to use one to convert into Silas Alberac, but I feel they're still too short.

>>51385699
40k shit on Amazon is always overpriced, WaffleAnon.

>>51385737
They're very clean from an angles perspective, so they make good Blood Angels and even Grey Knights, but work poorly for Salamanders, Iron Hands, etc. which use a lot more detail and are blockier.

>>51385669
Khorne Daemonkin.

>>51385706
>tfw Daemon of Khorne does nothing for Maulerfiends
>Furious Charge is wasted on S10
>Hatred (Slaanesh) is only useful against Slaaneshi daemons
Why is it that it seems like Mark of Khorne would be better on Daemons of Khorne?

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>>51385703
>since 4th
>still has unpainted sisters

>>51385737
not a fan, the scale tabards and non-bell-bottom greaves just don't do it for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvuYAOJi8M
I've watched this trailer about 20 times. Theres just something about it. Maybe it's my love for the Eldar, the music and the models all mixing but I don''t know. I fucking love this trailer.

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>>51385696
We're here anon, we just suffer in silence because Orks and 'nids arguably have it worse than us.

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>>51385790

r8 please

1850 Renegades of Vraks/Chaos Space Marines

Renegade Command Squad:
Ordnance Tyrant with Covenant of Nurgle: 85

35 Plague Zombies: 105
35 Plague Zombies: 105
4 Field Artillery: quad launchers, +8 extra crew: 144

3 Heavy Ordnance Battery: earthshakers, militia training, +6 extra crew: 193

3 Leman Russ Exterminators: militia training, multi-melta sponsons: 450
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79

Fortifications: Skyshield Landing Pad: 75

_____________
Allies: Chaos Space Marines

Chaos Lord on bike: Lightning claw, Powerfist, MoN, Blight grenades, Sigil of Corruption: 170

5 Chaos Marines: MoN, Plasma gun, rhino: 140

7 Chaos Bikers: MoN, Combi-melta, 2 meltaguns: 222

>>51385732
At least Maulerfiends can move faster than you.

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>just put my Grey Knights up for sale
>they were my first army
>imperial agents did nothing for them and that was my last hope
>they are just so bad and I haven't played them in sixth months
>every time I get ready for a game of 40k I always find myself reaching for my guard instead of my GKs
>the models are badass and the lore is cool but I'd rather have an army that is better supported, has more viable units, and brings me joy to play

Anyone else have feels bad stories of giving up on their army?

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>>51385696
Let's take a tally. Post your something from your DE no matter how unpainted they are.

Pic is my Grotesque conversions that I still need to paint.

>>51385706

You say that as if it's supposed to have the Weapon Skill of a Dreadnought or Deff Dread or something.

>>51385669
My models are all at home but am I really the only guardfag in this thread?

>did I forget today was the scheduled wyvern fapping session or something?

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>>51385822
I3 means they'd be able to kill it before it could strike anyways.

>>51385792
Ork player here, best I ever went against Deldar was when I blew up about 80% of the dudes transports first turn, the rest of my shooting proceeded to do almost nothing for the entire game, even his succubus tied up my warboss because of that melee invuln shit and I know succubus are one of the worst hq choices for them.

His basic infantry destroyed my boyz at range and then in combat, his incubus destroyed my meganobs as well as his succubus.

It's not that Orks are worse than everything, it's just that the people writing the codex forgot they were BS2 and I2

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>>51385817
Anon, if you love them, keep with them!

Things might be terrible now, but they'll come a time when the meta changes and you may regret giving them up.

Unless you have to like, pay for a house or college or something.

>>51385821
Wish I could downsize my photos to show you. For some reason they're always 4mb+

>>51385817
>not just taking off their heads and making them a homebrew chapter to be used for any MEQ army
Anon you've failed me. Above all, you failed yourself.

>>51385816
>drop pods exist
>chaos 'noughts can even teleport in
[continued laughing]

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>>51385737
They make pretty cool Grey Knight Terminators.

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Pic related is my WIP
OOP Female hereticus inquisitor with Force Staff
Munitorium Priest with Mace of Valaan
And a Canoness with Sister of Silence's long sword and arm shield, because why not.

>>51385752
>Waffle-anon
More like cheese eating surrendering monkey-anon
I know about prices but I have a 150€ amazon gift card to spend (untill 2025 but yeah...)

>>51385850
My phone pictures are huge, too, but I send mine through Discord, DL them to my PC and in paint resize them.

>>51385873
But Maulerfiends are Daemons, so they can teleport, too?

>>51385878
>frog terminator heads
Nooooo

>>51385845
Succubi actually aren't bad, its just that Deldar are usually a bad choice to play close combat wise so they don't get a lot of play.

That's rough though. I've gone up against some mean Ork lists in my time, but almost all of them had a juicy center of bikes that are hard for the Deldar to ignore.

If you play Dark Eldar right against low tier armies, a good player can have an answer for most everything that isn't bullshit, and given how your tranports went up in smoke I'd wager it was a bad way for your dudes.

What do you run, anon?

>>51385901
can they? I thought it just gave them the 5+ save and weakness to stuff that blows up daemons.

>>51385890
Good idea. I want to show you one of the poses I did for one of my Kabalite warriors

>>51385881
What's your favorite kind of cheese?

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>>51385669
Inquisition, but really mostly Guard.

>>51385913
Daemon gives Fear, Deep Strike, and a 5++.

Khorne Daemonkin Maulerfiends have Daemon of Khorne, which gives the afore-mentioned stuff as well as Furious Charge and Hatred (Slaanesh) for about 20 extra points, iirc.

This does nothing for them because Maulerfiends have 2 power fists and are S6 base.

>>51385946
>Deep Strike

Not anymore.

>>51385921
In this order:
Roquefort
Riptides
Bleu d'Auvergne
Conté (12 months old)
Camembert/Brie

>>51385855
>my home brew army of 10 marines and 5 termies

I don't really like where Vanilla marines (or any marines in that case) are at really

>>51385849
I waited a year after I decided I totally didn't like them, the army count is just so retardedly small no matter what since each unit is a psyker with a power sword, they're just gonna be done like thousand sons when they do get updates

I'm gonna keep a the codex, a squad of termies, a dreadknight, and draigo just in case they just become amazing in 8th

But right now I would just prefer to have an army I actually find joy in playing instead of waiting and hoping as they collect dust on my shelf

>>51385792
Former 'Nid player here. Nids never recovered from the gutting that they received with the 5th ed codex. The 4e 'Nid dex is objectively one of the best and most balanced codices ever written. Having 1 viable list and 1 cheese list does not a fun army make. Not sure where they're at right now because I stopped paying attention in early 6e to spare myself the heart-ache.

>>51385845
The succubus is one of the best options because she actually does something and does it for a reasonable price.

Archon costs a shit ton of points if you give him any equipment and he's still kinda shitty.
Haemonculi just mills about uselessly.

>>51385985
They haven't gotten better, flyrant spam is still the only viable tryhard list, I honestly feel bad when I play a nid player, and I'm playing guard

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Boom. My Kabalite warrior pose

>>51385964
>crying about letting go 15 minis
>crying about model count at low point games
News flash, GK are literal shit at low point games

>>51385817
Anon come on, don't do that.

>>51386025
It fucking works yes

>>51385964
>playing an army only because they're powerful and dropping them when they become shit
You started playing in 5th, didn't you?

>>51386018
Have they gotten a 7e codex yet? Or are we just waiting for Age of Teh Emprah at this point?

>>51385812
Anyone? First time ever making a list with the new Renegades

>>51385913
>>51385959
I still love Maulerfiends.

GW, pls buff

>>51385961
>brie
I like you.

>>51385850
Uploading them to imgur and then resaving them usually fixes that.

>>51386025
>>51386046
Nice. Almost like he got caught off guard and is acting like he didn't. Going smaller on the image size doesn't hurt either. I reduce mine to like 60% of the file size.


>>51386035
News flash, GK are literal shit at all point levels.

It hurts, anon...

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>>51385961
>no whiz
>no jalapeno cheese spread
>no cheddar (mild)

>>51386091
I'll try to re-size it

>>51386035
You don't get it do you anon? That's how many marines I had at 1850

But yeah that's one reason I don't feel bad about flipping them, rebuilding my army will be pretty fast and cheap

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>>51386091

>>51386051
Nice try but no, Started about a year and a half ago

GKs were shit when I started them, but I played them anyways, despite loosing 90% of all games I plays, I just really didn't enjoy having like 5 units on the board and being way more limited in options than almost every army out there, they are just so inefficient and rely on one or two dice rolls to decide the game

Trust me I tried to make them work, I tried to play them and ignore how shitty they were, but finally I was like fuck it because guard is 100Xs more fun even when I loose

>>51386170
Damn, it didn't re-size

>>51385817
I play Orks and Deathwatch.

The FAQ makes me want to sell both.

I'll probably keep Orks, since they're at least fun to model and paint.

>>51386170
>>51386185

Yeah it did. It's 717kb down form 1.96 MB

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>>51385817
>giving up on their army

Giving up is for pussies and fags, dont be a heretic and sell your army, be a real Imperial man and tough it the fuck up.

I've played Black Templars through thin and thinner and all we got as an 'update' was a force organization chart in an edition where thats outdated and you bet your candy ass Im gonna use the shit out of that thing.

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>>51385698
Stormcasts can also look pretty good as Minotaurs.

>>51386187
Deathwatch are bad?

>>51386098
> industrial cheeses made of plastic
> no glorious dick smell when you open your fridge
I pity you, anon

Does anyone else get physically I'll when they see 2 of the 3 people at the beginning of the Warhammer Community page?
I'm all for who ever playing GW games, but Christ. The one chick grins like a fucking horse and the other is such a land whale I could tell at first she was a fucking she

>>51386219
that is pretty nice

>>51386244
>this triggered by the appearances of some fairly normal people
Here's your (You).

>>51386221
>can't take shotgun + bolter anymore, and don't have access to bolt pistols. So no assaulting unless you give up all shooting
>paying for a special weapon means you have to ditch the bolter, which means you're paying points for special ammo you're not using
>can't take dedicated transports anymore
>Beacon no longer works as written. Is now just an overpriced locator beacon.

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>>51385669
Space wolves
Crimson Fists
Deathwatch/Inquisition
Orks

>>51386291
Jesus, my friend swears by them, and said he'd wreck me and my DEldar with them. He's probably right ;-;

>>51385912
I was running a blitz brigade with a cad of ork boyz, some lootas and a meganob + Painboy + Warboss squad

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>>51386277
>this is normal
Do you happen to live in the United States?

>>51386219
That's actually kinda baller.

The problem with Tau is not that Tau is actually a stronger codex than Eldar, Marines, or Daemons.

The problem with Tau is that it's very, very, very easy to build a very strong casual-stomping without trying very hard. All Eldar lists are strong, but in order to go fucking insane with Eldar you need to do a very specific build. The same thing is true with Marines and Daemons.

With Tau all you have to do is buy like three fucking units (often considered the "cool units" of the codex) and bam, you're smashing shit left right and center, so there are a lot more of these Tau players stomping a lot more faces who claim they did nothing wrong.

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>>51385676
I just want some guardswomen

>>51385881
where did you get the custom models?

>>51386111
Well you made a meme Draigo list and it fell flat on it's face.. It happens. Iron Hands makes good use of terminators but I know you said you aren't interested in marines.

>>51386244
Anon, I know you don't leave the house much, but people don't look like your animes.

>>51385812

First observation is that I don't like Basilisks, and you realistically have only one troop choice that's going to be moving anywhere quickly, and it doesn't have Objective Secured.

If it was my army, I might pick up some Vets or Disciples in a Chimera. Slap Carapace armor on them.

>>51385933
I play inquisition, but its mostly skitarii with inquisition on the side these days

>>51386277
Anon the prairies of the Midwest where the land whales roam and 'cheese' is considered a food group... isn't the whole world brah

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>>51385961
>Riptides
Don't think I wouldn't catch that!

Mmmm... brie.

>>51386358
it would be canon too

>>51386358
Yeah I've played guard for about a year now and I'm starting to get pissed

Like not even a $10 upgrade sprue online with some heads with ponytails or just a little bit more feminine faces?

>>51386358
>>51386399
Try out Victoria miniatures

>>51386371
You're saying you'd drop the basilisks entirely? I'm not too crazy about them either.

>>51386358
I thought that was an craftworld eldar guardswoman version of the sexy dark eldar commissar.

Am disappoint.

>>51386399
You can't assume their gender just by looking at them.

>>51386414
cheapest pie plate launcher around, S7 against shooting

how can you even resist

>>51386371
>>51386414
>hating on THE artillery piece
drop the quad launchers
quad launchers are for people who have given up

>>51386399
The Cadian kit is older than your tenure as a Guard player by a factor of ten. What would you know about waiting for updates?

>upgrade sprue
Literally why would GW do this? If they were making alternative sculpts to add diversity to an ancient kit why not just remake the kit?
Also
>implying women are an upgrade

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>>51386376
and corn

corn is good to

>>51386244
Both of the grils are pretty uggo, but I'll assume they're great people on the community team.

>>51385669
Recently I've gotten hooked on what I call Tzeentch Daemonkin (Rubrics, Sorcerers, Horrors {old blue horror rules,} and Big Birds.)

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Hey guys, I was considering building my inquisition detachment as rouge traders but was having difficulty with finding bits for them that suit. Would this be an alright proxy for a hellrifle on my inquistor?

>>51386431
Yeah but isn't being forced into line of sight for more than half the game bad?
>>51386436
>drop the quad launchers
m8 they're almost as good as wyverns at what they do while remaining more survivable, on a skyshield the crew even gets a 4++

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>>51386412
everybody says this and they aren't quite as good as you hope, and always more expensive than you think they should be

>>51386476
Forgot to mention that any help with good sites would be greatly appreciated.

>>51386496
>they're almost as good as wyverns
that's why I said, they're for people who have given up

do you guys think we will get any new guard models? Even if we do how will they look? They've used the same sprue since 3rd edition I think?

>>51386363
Dude I'm starting to suspect you have never played with or against GKs

All this assuming to try and make yourself feel smart like you're two steps ahead of everyone is just making you sound ignorant

I ran draigo exactly 2 times in a list under 2000 points, I never used palidens more than a couple times either because the ability for a deathstar is just nonexistent

GKs are just crazy expensive, and you have to spam the 3-4 viable units over and over

My Lists looked like this

1-2 Lvl 3 librarians
2-4 squads of purifiers in rhinos (who just got nerfed btw from the FAQ)
2-4dreadknights
1-2 squad of termies

Sometimes I would throw in a storm raven or something but really everything is too expensive and using the same units over and over left some massive weaknesses in your army that couldn't be filled

>>51386476
>hellrifle
I have this issue too, I've no idea what might count as a hellrifle or conversion beamer, there is almost zero art and so on

>>51386470
>Both of the grils are pretty uggo
I don't think that's fair. The girl on the left would probably be qt if she stopped doing her krenshar impression.

>>51385873
hellbrutes can totally teleport in, provided you have that weird rule where they bring cultists with them.

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>>51386473
I hope you like being denied on a 4+ that can be boosted to a 3+.

>>51386516
GK are basically anti-daemons and not much else

>>51385873
ignore this
>>51386527
I'm a retarded faggot who read too fast.

>>51385686
Decrease the price of Rubrics. They're good mind you but 23 points a model ruins their effectiveness. At the end of the day they're still a marine.

>>51386502
Do you have any experience with them? I was looking at them as alternatives for infantry until recently.

>>51386502
Just throwing out a suggestion. Not like there's many other options.

>>51386476
>>51386523
Hot-shot lasguns are what they are.

>>51386514
>do you guys think we will get any new guard models?
Infantry? eventually

Honestly the only real problem with the kit is the lack of special weapons and the fact that it's got a shit load of wasted space. It's the catachan infantry squad that's in real dire straits.

>>51386527
Nah man, it's the "take three hellbrutes and they get deep strike" formation. It's sweet, and the crazy table isn't much of a detriment when you're already in their faces.

>>51386540
Another GK player chiming in.
We suck even at being anti-daemon. They have better psykers, better shooting, and better assaults.

>>51386523
Skitarii transuranic arquebus or Ranger guns.

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>>51386523
Yeah it's really obscure in it's description as well but I think a ww2 aircraft cannon or mg will be what I'm using

>>51386550
>he's still bitter about the hellgun meme
A hellrifle is completely different from a hellgun. One's a snazzier lasgun a snazzgun if you will and the other's a daemonic flintlock rifle that shoots Rending daemon jizz on its enemies.

>all this arguing over statlines
>tfw you play Guard
>tfw your statlines will never, ever, EVER change for the better
>literally the only changes you will ever see are nerfs to make Guardsmen even more incompetent
>'kek they're normal humans so they should be S1 T1!'
>tfw your army will eventually be rendered legitimately unplayable by power creep in all other armies that you can't compete with because no buffs

>>51386502
Get just the heads and stick them on guardsmen bodies. They'd be more or less indistinguishable in combat gear anyway, unless you REALLY want titty armor. Then it's green stuff to the rescue.

>>51386516
Oh and inquisition allies with coteaz and a couple pimp squads breathed life into my army for a couple months but that was pretty much it, he works way better in my guard army

>>51386512
They're also counted as a non compulsory troop choice in IA13
Are you implying I should just go wyverns? Like I said, they're alot less survivable

>>51386550
>Hot-shot lasguns
the hellrifle for the inquisitor has a different weapon profile to a hot-shot lasgun; its not the same

>>51386572
all we need is cheaper shit, our old characters, lumbering behemoth and a few others.
shit's gay yo, we didn't deserve that nerf with the 6th ed dex.

>>51386585
>non compulsory troop choice
are they?

That's kind of cool. Though I still hate quad mortars/wyverns on principle.

>>51386572
>tfw been hoping for terminator reworks since third edition dropped

>>51386523
>hellrifle

Grab a Hotshot Volley Gun or a Hot-shot lasgun and put some purity seals on it or model some chains and scripture on it, basically pimp it up so it looks more arcane or weird or just special.

>>51386572
But why would you care about your guardsmens stat line when they should all be driving heavily armoured tanks and operating artilary?

>>51386514
probably not, they put out genestealer cults with the same box. when you get your 8th codex update in 2-3 years then maybe

>>51386555
>>51386540
i don't have the face for how much joy i take in bullying grey knights with my daemons

>>51386572
allowing the sarge to take a lasgun instead of a mandatory laspistol and CCW would help

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>>51386550
Does anyone have a canon picture of one of these things?

>>51386635
>codex update in 2-3 years
please no
this dex is so fucking weak

>>51386533
Filthy Khornate, how can you hope to ply your mind against the Changer of Ways?! His mighty Magicks shall rip your dice asunder!

>>51386602
>Baneblade costs 75% of a fucking titan
>killed by a stiff breeze in comparison to other units of similar pointcost
Don't even get me started on the fucking FW Tau bullshit that costs almost the same and drops 7" D blasts. Baneblade is so badly overcosted.

>>51385817
>>51385964
>>51386091
>>51386179
What makes them so bad? I played Grey Knights in 5th and then dropped the game in 6th so I didn't see what made them so awful now in 7th? Are they just not strong enough for their points cost?

>>51386544
Also make swapping inferno bolter for warp flamer free

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>>51386642
the empire master engineer is a decent fit for a hellrifle inquisitor

>>51386677
> Baneblade is badly overcosted
> Not talking about the stompa being 50% more than a baneblade and being complete shit with it's weapons loadout that will miss 90% of the time except with 1 gun

What do you guys use for a epub reader?

>>51386717
>he didn't read OP
WE PUT IT IN OP BECAUSE FAGS LIKE YOU KEPT ASKING REEEEEE

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What's a better idea for a CSM army:
A Noise Marine heavy Emperor's Children warband called Singers of Love and Hate
or
A Slaanesh following Iron Warriors warband with a lot of hazard markings called The Hazards of Love

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>>51386705
Alright I'm going to kitbash this with a transuranic arquebus and that should be that done.

>>51386658
gotta suffer the sins of the leafblower list, sorry. it's a wild guess honestly. i figure 8th is this year or next (maybe 2 years if they keep putting out campaigns/supplements). first release is probably gonna be marines of some. if i was in charge i'd do sisters, nids, orks, dark eldar, guard, grey knights

>>51386693
slow, lack of ranged support, heavy reliance on dreadknight, change to weapons, weary of their lists from 5th

>>51386709
Not to mention one of its guns can literally "run out of ammo" one a 1/6 chance every time you fire it and it's out for the whole game.

>>51386730
Im scared of Chrome

>>51386585
Does non compulsory troop choice mean they count as troop choices, but you still need two OTHER regular troops for a legal Combined Armies detachment? Sorry if I am retarded for not seeing this.

>>51386342
The longer I look at the picture the funnier it gets.

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>>51386609
It's really cool!
The Ordnance Tyrant allows the army to select Artillery, Strike, Heavy Ordnance and Bombard batteries as Elite choices as well as Heavy Support, and Field Artillery may be taken as non-compulsory Troops.
When a model within 12" of the Demagogue (HQ) fires a barrage weapon, they may place the template over friendly models without the usual restrictions.

>>51386705
>>51386735
it looks more like a jezzail that you get with the skitarii dragoon kit

>>51386709
Well yeah, but that's just expected of orks, you know? I feel you, brother.

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>>51386677


Yes, but Super-Heavy tanks are inferior to Super-Heavy Walkers or Gargantuan Creatures.

> bullshit that costs almost the same

If you mean the Supremacy Armor, that's nearly a 200 point difference.

>>51386752
> Slow as shit
> Not even good in melee because
> I1
> Not good at shooting because it's best gun is S10 AP1 on a 700 point model
Nah guys it's excellent, it has like 12 hullpoints that makes it good, right?
Right?

>>51386766
The jezzail is fuckhuge. It's not small enough to pass as an infantry longarm.

>>51386765
>turns that take hours each are really cool

>>51386766
I'm not getting fucking dragoon just for a gun to kitbash with another gun I'm buying.
I might just take the drum off that machinegun and call it a day.

>>51386775
its shorter than a transuranic aquebus

>>51386570
>>51386587
>>51386642
Nevermind then, thought they were the same thing.

>>51386757
They don't count toward your minimum requirement but when running static artillery you NEED bubblewrap to protect against deepstriking, the ability to get it in lowcost hordes like plague zombies is great.

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>>51386416
Sorry. Here, have some sexy DE.

>>51386765
basilisks are better suicide weapons, i think. The quad launchers have a higher chance of scattering onto your chosen unit and splatting them.

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>>51386769
>If you mean the Supremacy Armor, that's nearly a 200 point difference.
What? The points difference is like 60.
Want your Baneblade to have sponsons? They've basically the same price. Want all the trimmings? The Ta'unar is fucking CHEAPER.

>>51386757

That's exactly what it means.

>>51386782
just get it from a bits site
fuck I'd send you my spare one

>>51386769
>Ta'unar is 600 points
>Baneblade, with no extras, is 540 points
>200 point difference
Okay.jpg. Sponsons cost another 50 points and add badly needed extra firepower. Aside from the main gun and demolisher the BB may as well be armed with squirtguns.

>>51386555
Another GK player here, everyone joked about how no one would play daemons against me because I'm grey knights and would wreck them

>tfw I never won a game against daemons
>tfw grey knights suck in every way against daemons
>tfw daemons might be the worst matchup for GKs
We are the emperor's jokes

>>51386816
I'm australian, the bit would cost less than the shipping desu

Rolled 6, 2, 4, 2, 4, 5, 2, 3, 6 = 34 (9d6)

>>51386676
Rolling to deny 9 charges.

Assume I've spent a single blood tithe for Adamantium Will.

Denying on a 3+!

>>51386795
So even if something becomes non compulsory troop choice, you still must take two other normal troop choices. Got it.

>>51386811
They could honestly cut the base price down to 300 points and it'd still be fine in the current situation the game is in.

>>51386399
Statuesque Minis has good heads. Good bodies seem to require a ton of kitbashing though.

>>51386837
To be fair GK stood a better chance against daemons before all of those formations came out.

If people played daemons in a fluffy way and brought a big daemon and some medium dudes and the rest as troops it would be a different story.

>>51386815
OK thanks for the clarification anons

>>51386837
>never won against daemons
Are you me?

>>51385669

Vostroyan IG & SoB.
Sisters feel a lot more powerful, but I have a soft spot for my carapace troopers.

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>>51386399
Victoria Minis are fairly good; if pricy. They are truscale rather than heroic, and thus are a touch slighter than plastic Cadians, but it's mostly noticable if you try and mix them in a squad. On their own, they tend to be OK. Their Not!Cadians and Not!Modrians are great, the others look good but I don't actually own any, so can't speak to personal experience.

Raging Heroes' Toughest Girls in the Galaxy line are very nice too, a bit more cheesecake and a bit pricier. Scale-wise they are, like Victoria, a tiny bit smaller but at the usual distance for play it's not too noticeable.

Chapterhouse has a lady-guard squad set; the detail isn't as good as Victoria or Raging Heroes IMO but the scale is a touch closer to GW.

If you just want heads, Statuesque Miniatures has a variety of lady-heads in multiple styles. The Pulp and Heroic scale heads both work excellently with GW bodies.

>>51386762
It's the t-rex arms.

I don't see a painting general so..
I stripped my minis with Dettol today due to changing colour scheme. I got most of the paint off besides some of the original basecoats in tighter corners. Is it worth putting them in again for those few bits or am I good to spray over again?

>>51386839
bloody bogan cunt

>>51386811
Goddamn I never knew the Baneblade was BS3 base, you'd think all the targeting shit they had would help out a bit...

>>51386800
It is not enough. Offer me the DE Commissar.

>>51386885
You can take a toothpick to try and scrape some of that out, but provided the paint isn't too thick in the crevices you should be fine to spray over them. Just make sure you rinse and dry the models thoroughly.

>>51386811
sometimes i forget that 40k had proper lords of war at one point. i still remember my plague marines being mulched by the one

>>51386891
now that i think about it, shouldn't it be bs4 by default since it's crewed by senior or veteran guardsmen? i mean it's a moving huge relic so it should have the best in the company motorpool

>>51386891
Oh yenah get fucked cunt I'm just gonna hit up me local GW and use a fuckin ratling mounted on the fuckers shoulder.

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>>51386800
>your face and hand will never be the bra of a sexy space elf dominatrix
>mfw

>>51386811
>>51386821

Either it's gone up in price or I'm rusty with the points cost.

I could have sworn is was 400 points a while ago.

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>>51386359
Got the female inquisitor from eBay at a good price since her Inferno Pistol was broken
Priest is from eBay too
>mfw my whole 3000 pts army is from eBay at the exception of Verydian and 2 Exorcists
Mace + Staff + Torch bitz are from Trolls Under the Bridge
Female head is from Statuesque miniatures, as /40kg/ suggested me
Arm Shield is a Custodian Guard tabard iirc

>>51386918
see >>51386887

>>51386918
Meant for >>51386887
Sorry champ

Is Chaos not garbage yet?

>>51386891
Yeah, they can get a BS4 commander for a common Russ. But for a rare and (supposedly) incredibly powerful superheavy tank? Nah, you're gonna miss 50% of the time.

12AV on the rear still upsets me to no end. If Tau can have a T10 9W walker with 4++, I can damn well have at least 13AV on my butt.

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>>51386473
I am in the middle of learning to accept my inner big bird.

Before now, I played Corsairs.

>>51386821
>>51386811
>>51386769
>>51386677
Do you bros even guard?
Everyone knows the baneblade is the shittiest variant
>shadowsword is hilariously cheaper and brings the D
>stormlord beings the dakka and melts infantry
>stormsword or whatever it's called has an AP1 S10 ignore cover apoc blast and can end the conversation when it comes to jink spam

Yeah baneblades and their variants are too much of points sinks especially compared to pask who fills the same niche, but they are amazingly fun for casual games

>>51386939
yup, literally tier 1

>>51386942
In all fairness I don't think anything should be compared to the tau'nar in terms of balance but yea it should have some cool shit going on and maybe even the option for an 5+ invuln ala the emperors grace

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>>51386839
so turns out the trasuranic aquebus is quite similar in size

>>51386734
I really like both of these, glory to the Dark Prince, anon.

>>51386939
See: Traitor Legions
Rev up those relentless havocs!

>>51385878
These are fucking aweful.

>>51386963
My favorite thing about the baneblade is how it comes with a little officer on foot. Do they still have rules for escape hatches? Vehicle crew surviving and denying victory points was always cool to me.

>>51386859
Every son of titan is unified in sucking cock against daemons

>>51386953
Good luck on your path of Change brother. May the Lord of Fate guide us to victory!

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>>51386939
Nurgle loves you

>>51386963
>eryone knows the baneblade is the shittiest variant
Yeah, we do. But that guy asked about Baneblades, not its variants.

The Shadowsword is shit for its points. Its gun is great, but not with one shot at BS3. I'd rather take a Macro-cannon Aquila Strongpoint, or better yet Vortex silo. Also, the Eldar Lynx exists.

Stormlord is decent because it's a transport and firing platform, and can shoot twice.

Stormsword has a cheese gun and is usually banned.

The Stormblade is the most legit variant. Not worthless but not broken either. I forget how many points it costs though.
>oh look the FW variant is the most fun

>>51386975
At that cost, the Baneblade really should have something to prevent it from being glanced to death by Warriors or some such bullshit. A target that big with NO save of ANY kind is bogus, tank or not. I would fucking kill for a 5++.

>>51386984
Alright I might just use a transuranic arquebus that I can hopefully get off a mate and maybe chuck a melta bit on the end to add some inquistoriality.

>>51386999
The little officer is great as a commissar/commander

>escape hatches
The crew is considered removed from play if the vehical is destroyed, was this not a thing at some point? Can some old fag guardsmen educate me?

How viable are Alpha Legion for traitor legions? Is Army wide infiltrate even good?

>>51387012
>comparing any unit to the lynx in terms of power for points

That's just not fair anon

Also my excuse for shadowsword over strongpoint is my fortification slot is used up by the void shield generator, of course if it's apoc that point becomes moot...

>>51387023
yeah there is like a square muzzle at the end you might want to clip off, get some purity seals and you're game

>>51387033
Just the Tau ejection system. Never for vehicles.

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>>51387033
>Can some old fag guardsmen educate me?
not limited to guardsmen

but anyways, you know how that ultramarine pask dude can get out of his tank after it blows up? In 3e all imperial vehicles could buy an upgrade to do that. If they survived the game, the opponent wouldn't get any victory points for blowing up the tank, which was huge.

In 2e every vehicle, period, had crew sizes and if not directly killed they could survive, escape, and potentially crew other vehicles that had crew members killed (because some of the damage results would kill a tank gunner/driver/commander).

>>51387068
>comparing any unit to the lynx in terms of power for points
>comparing any unit to the wraithknight in terms of power for points
>comparing any unit to the ta'unar in terms of power for points
It's almost like the unfair things that nobody should compare anything to are in a league of their own, right?

>>51387043
Infiltrate is very good. Although half of their decurion rules being seemingly deleted by the FAQ knocks them down a bit. They're probably middle of the pack for TL now.

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>Consider selling my black templar since they're old and I don't use them anymore.
>Hear about fall of cadia stuff and decide to see the rules first.
>Respawning hateful crusaders charging across the table led by a literal angel of death.

Hell yeah BTs. What a terrible mistake I almost made.

>>51387043
Anyone?

>>51387106

I think they're still on the top 3.

>>51387107
Let this be a message to everyone. Never sell your models. You will always regret it.

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Has this paint scheme been referenced anywhere else for AL marines?

>>51387106
I heard the cultist stack means it doesnt go to a 3+, because they are technically separate rules. So 2d6 and both are a 4+ you get 2 units back

>>51387088
he dies with the tank

>>51387117
DG, WE, and EC are pretty clearly the top 3. They might be fourth, though.

>>51387096
I usually like keeping talks on things being outclassed in codex, technically the shadowsword is one of the best ways to bring the D in a guard army, seeing as there's only like 3 units that have D that aren't titans that the guard can take, despite it being super inefficient compared to the lynx/wraithknight/tau faggot shit

>>51387096
Alrighty then.

/tg/ how do we fix the wraithknight?

>>51387134
>If the tank is Wrecked or suffers an Explodes! result, Sergeant Chronus is treated as a passenger. (Note that if the vehicle does not have an Access Point, he will have to perform an emergency disembarkation). Assuming Sergeant Chronus survives his vehicle's destruction, he uses his own characteristic profile and special rules as normal from that point on.

>>51385669
Tyranids and GSC. I am probably going to play deathwatch or dark angels next. Anyone here know which they prefer and why?

>>51387158
>30-50 pt increase in base cost

Done, what do it get?

>>51387125

Incorrect - the FAQ stated they do not interact in any meaningful way.

>>51387137

I don't think EC are as good as people think they are given the overall cost. I put them in DG, WE, AL, EC.

>>51387158

As an Eldar player - bump the cost by around 50 points and it probably starts to even out.

>>51387160
I thought he was talking about pask

>>51387185
"ultramarine pask dude" is most likely referring to chronus

>>51387177
That's so shitty goddammit. I fucking love what little Alpha Legion lore there is and Alpharius is my fave.

>>51387177
>>51387169
Why would only 50pts make such an enormous difference?

I'm sorry but it's still pretty damn cheap for what it is even at that points cost

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Bought a box of the new Scarab Occult Termies for myself as a birthday gift (lol) and played this list earlier against my necron little bro... Won and had a ton of fun with the new TS Legion rules!

So now that the rules don't interact, is there a point in running cultists for Alpha Legion now? I was thinking Infiltrating raptors sound sexy

Do you think Blood Angels are GAY?

>>51387209
Puts it closer to knight levels in points cost

>>51387229
They're pretty gay, but not as gay as you.

>>51387169

Try 200 point increase.

>>51387198
AL are still good. The just have this weird rule that does nothing on their decurion now.

>>51387241
>>51387221 <<<

>>51387229
Y E S
TWICE GAYER THAN THE EMPEROR'S CHILDREN

I MEAN THE EC ARE PRETTY GAY BUT AT LEAST THEY DON'T
DECORATE
THEIR
TANKS
WITH
BILLBOARD-
SIZED
FRESCOES
OF
HALF-
NAKED
CURLY-
HAIRED
MUSCULAR
OILED-
UP
DUDES
IN
SATIN
ROBES

>>51387236
Someone's had their deathstar D-sworded and stomped to death

>because we all have :(

Will there ever be supplement that doesn't feature the imperium? We all know that space marines are the big sellers, but how sweet would something like a narrative eldar vs necron campaign be, or something stupid like... I don't know tyranids vs chaos daemons.

>>51387221

Outside the rare case where you run them in a CAD not really.

>>51387209

It is still cheap but a 50 point increase basically means not being able to take a unit of scat bikes with him (51 points base, 81 points for a decked out squad) which actually matters. It generally makes him closer in cost to knights which he is the equivalent of.

>>51387236

Probably not necessary, that puts it at 500 points which is past Knights and similar other LoW. It probably needs to sit at, base, about 350.

>>51387233
It is basically objectively better than the knight, though?

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>>51385669
Currently play Night Lords (post and pre-heresy)

Working on building up a small Sisters of Silence force. Did they ever work together during the Great Crusade? I know Sevatar was on the "magic sucks!" side of Nikea.

>>51387263
>>51387263
Because marine players will bitch about it. Now shhhhhh

>>51387257
There's nothing gay about admiring the naked male form, anon.

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>>51387280
ugh marine players are the worst, and marines are the most boring faction by far

>>51387257
That's just their vampire a e s t h e t i c anon, they are supposed to have a duality to them, you have the faggot ass nipple armoured sang guard, but you also get mephiston, who overcame the black rage from pure willpower, then ripped a squad of orkz apart using nothing but his broken naked body and mind bullets

>>51387265
What's the best way to run Alpha Legion now 1000pts?

>>51387257
Hey, you know what they say: "If it ain't baroque; FIX IT."

>>51386218
>don't be a heretic and sell your army
What if my army is Tau?

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First Ork of the Waaagh, lads. Picture's not caught all the colour in the model for some reason, but rate it, /tg/.

>>51385669
I play space marines with an impractical amount of dreadnoughts.
I lose a lot

>>51387272
Make those lightnings as fiiiiine and thin and tortuous as possible my man

shoot for the black metal logo aesthetic

>>51387295

Organize the fans of your favorite faction and outsell space marines if you want to see change.

>>51387295
SHHHH YOU'LL START MAKING THEM BITCH ANON

>>51387221
Sure. Cultists are still very solid and AL still give them infiltrate which is very handy for a speedbump/distraction/tarpit unit. That said, you may now consider getting your cultists from other formations like Helcult or even a CAD rather than exclusively through The Lost and the Damned.

>>51387301
the night lords do the vampire thing better

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>>51387313

>>51387326
What other units work well with Alpha Legion? Infiltrating Havocs... oh god

>>51387165
Dark angels, death watch can't really stand up on its own as a codex.

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>>51387314
Then you burn your army, to stop it from spreading even more skub.
It is your DUTY.

>>51387295
uhhhh marinephobic, much?

>>51387342
Havocs don't get infiltrate. It's only Chosen, CSM, and Cultists.

>>51387351
FUCK

>>51387346
I need the money badly enough to allow the skub to spread. Only to someone I know.

>>51387314

Own that shit. Strut through your shop while blasting gay dance club music while all the gue'las give you the stink eye or fall to their knees groveling in misery.

>>51387346
MC vs Walker

>>51387351
Oh well, maybe I should just run a standard chaos warband?

>>51387361
But the problem is that I don't like Tau, and didn't figure it out for real until I was already 1850 points and $450 in.

>>51387325
>half a dozen posts bitching about marines
>FUCKING MARINEFAGS BITCH SO MUCH

???

>>51387385
Read the last thread.

>>51387385
I am Alpharius

>>51387356
Chosen get the same weapon options you'd want to infiltrate anyway. More expensive, but they'll get the job done.

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>>51387295
I hate Marines, inside and outside of the fluff. The only Marines that are even redeemable are the Deathwatch, because they kill Xenos and don't afraid of anything.

>>51387359
That's even worse! It's like giving your friend herpes!

>>51387400
How do I make chosen though? And if I were to use regular marines where do I get special weapons from?

>>51387267
I mean not objectively
>Immunity to S4 vs immunity to strength 5
>3+ (which you'll rarely get to use) and FNP vs 4++ which you'll almost always get unless you're sorrounded
>ranged D vs no ranged D (I have no argument for this)
>higher initiative mastercrafted D sword but no ranged weapon with a 5++ in CC vs Dsword with no invuln but harder to hurt in CC because armour 13
>raped by grav vs molested on a subway by grav (very important for current tourney meta)
>died vs explodes (which is better depends on if it dies in your gunline or theirs)

There's a couple more that I can't remember right now, but I'd say wraith knight is more frail but hits harder, while the knight is harder to kill but doesn't rape as much ass imagine if it was Pokémon the wraithknight is darmanitan and the knight is metagross

>>51387305

At lower point levels I like a small warband with a cheap auxiliary. Most of the units would focus on the delivery of large amounts of special weapons to give me the benefit of weight of wire.

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>>51387398
mai husbando

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>>51387414
I hate xenos as much as the next guy, but Deathwatch are easily the most boring Marine faction rules and modelwise. Their codex is just shittily written in every way.

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>>51385669
ORKS!

I have a game planned tomorrow so I'm going to shitpost on /tg/ with it.
I don't know why but I can't stand shooty armies, or rather, armies that stand back and shoot. Whatever army I play I must have a nice big fight in the assault phase.

>>51387419
>How do I make chosen though?

Get loyalist marines, paint them in loyalist colors and give them guns. Done, Alpha Legion Chosen.

>>51387393

Why would you drag that shit in here for no reason? Keep it in the last thread, dumbass

>>51387137
>tfw Thousand Sons are the only God-specific legion to get good rules

Feels bad man. I like the new units but their price just destroys their usefulness.

>>51387435
>trust no one, not even yourself

>>51387375
Chaos Warband is REALLY good on its own and Hidden Deployment is a great rule for your infiltrating dudes. I'd probably still go AL Insurgency Force, although you may want to just grab some cheap Spawn for your Aux choice like most other legions do.

>>51387414

DW are the worst marines because they take everything bad about marines and double up on it. They are the new super special GK Sues. Literally the MIlitarum Tempestus of marines

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>>51387464

>>51387456
>no reason
I'm not the one who kept memeing about Marine players being whiney cunts, but anon asked for proof and I gave it.

>>51387435
Is that alpharius or omegon in the front?

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>>51385669
Skytaryy and Cylt Mechanycys

>>51387493
Officially, Alpharius, but no one really knows.

>>51387295
You misspelled Tyranids
Marines are a really close second though.

>>51387493
Who knows man. But I mean, I am Alpharius

>>51387497
> that nut

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>>51387442
I may be biased, I got into 40k by playing an AMAZING campaign in the Deathwatch RPG, so I have a soft spot for them.

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>>51387419
The "official" Chosen minis are in Dark Vengeance. Although I like >>51387455's idea, particularly if your CSM dudes are actual CSM for contrast.

>>51387471
Should I run a Minimum chaos warband and spawn for 1000 pts? What should I run on my chaos lord? Sorry for all the questions

>>51387509
In my force, all the Skitarii Vanguard have radium-glowing augmetic dicks, and they tea-bag their victims like in Halo

>>51387524
Melee chosen. ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew

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While we're on the subject of points.

Why doesn't GW just adjust points costs as the game goes on?

There's no need to re-balance all the rules in the codexes when you could literally just increase/decrease the points cost of strong/weak units.

You could still sell people codexes for the rules alone and have a separate app, army builder, or website for points costs.

>>51387510
Deathwatch RPG is alright. It was written before the 7th edition Deathwatch releases and portrays the faction well. The new codex literally changed all of that, and was a terribly-written book to book.

Also >>51387473 basically explains most of what is wrong with the new fluff.

>>51387419
They're equipped with cc weapons and pistols.

just give them those and some more bling.

>>51387490

The only whiny cunt I see here is you

>>51387346
Fuck everyone I'll still take railsides over missiles for blowing up tanks.

>>51387577
then read
the
last
thread

>>51387570
Trust me I have like 15 melee chosen. I want special weapons chosen though and I haven't a clue where to get the speshul weapons from

>>51385821
Start collecting box just came in, do I get a point?

>>51387577
the entire last thread was marine players going REEEEEEEEE over the idea of female space marines

>>51387543
that would take time and effort

>>51387463
>1k sons are the only god specific legion to get good rules
>1k sons
>good

what are you smoking anon and where can i get some? from what i saw here it wasn't that great for 1k sons since they're still expensive for little pay off. to say nothing of magnus

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>>51387493
This should be fun

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>>51387552
Shit, really?
I haven't gotten the Deathwatch book yet. The only official Deathwatch thing I have right now is the Codex: Imperial Agents, and I might keep it that way, if only to preserve the sanctity of "my guys".

>>51387603
and you are whining about that

>>51387526
I'd start with a core of Lord, Chosen, 2x CSM, Bikes, Havocs, and a Spawn yes. Particualrly for 1000 pts. that should still leave you a few points to customize here and there.

Mindveil is a really strong choice for a AL Lord and helps him catch up to his infiltrators and then lets them do serious work with hit and run tricks. Sigil of Corruption, Lightning Claw, Power Fist is the standard fighty Chaos Lord. But I could see just going something like Mindveil/Viper's Bite/Sigil if you're tight on points. Maybe with a power Axe for emergencies. I could be wrong about the exact optimal CL build though.

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>>51387598
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Space-Marine-Plasma-Guns

bits sites work too.

>>51387599
Welcome aboard!

>>51387614
It's a plan. Post-FAQ the only useful Deathwatch units gamewise are also found in Imperial Agents anyway. All you miss out on are the faction-specific formations, but they're all boring as absolute shit.

>>51387543
IMO, the ideal would be for the Codices/BRB to be available for digital access, you purchase the BRB once and each Codex once,.
Then GW and their imaginary playtest/balance team would update and adjust costs and units periodically, like the way online vidya games are balanced.