Warhammer 40,00 General /40kg/

>>51381790
First for AP2 is too cheap

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ORDO BIOLOGIS BEST ORDO!

BEHOLD THE SACRED HUMAN FORM WITH IT'S GREAT PILLOWY MOUNDS!

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Third for Magos Biologis are fans of greenstuff.
Also we claim this thread for parts. Please assemble to surrender any interesting limbs or equipment to the Medicae Auxilia, thank you.

(Looking forward to converting some squid drones)

I gotta give a heartfelt apology to everyone that doesn't play marines, tau, or eldar. Having to watch those three armies argue over who can fit a bigger dildo up their ass must be annoying. And then to hear us try and include you on the conversation so you feel loved must also be difficult.

>he hehe I sure hate it when you use those flyrants dude, so op
>wooooah man no bane blades, give me a chance at least XDDDDD
>waaahg bro, orks are so cool!

That being said, fuck eldar and fuck tau, tac marines need a buff

>>51381790
Nth for Belakor ascendant soon

he'll usurp Slaneesh throne when Ynnead kill him and as the first ascendant he received patronage above most of it's servants but the forgeworld gargantuan keeper of secrets

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>>51381867
>>51381864

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Zhadsnark makes bikes into Troops, and joins the warbike mob of 6. Zagstruk joins the stormboyz. Tankbustas ride in the battlewagon and looted wagons. Feedback appreciated.

>>51381919
>tfw when want to start playing nids and everyone tell you to use flyrants but you hate how they look
Anons it hurts

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>>51381790

Post your 40k guilty pleasures.

Mine is stealing store and opponent dice

daily reminder that space marines don't have penises because the emperor never designed them to breed

>>51381919
Thanks. Now Cawl exists I can join in to some extent, or at least after I've painted my Warconvo and got him.

>>51381951
disguising, I bet you even play Tau

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>>51381919
>mfw local Marine player actually thinks Reaver jetbikes are unbeatable cheese
>mfw it all started because one caltrop guy got lucky and blew up a Dreadnought with one attack
>mfw he doesn't even just take flamers to hard counter me
>mfw "dude, Dark Eldar are such an overpowered faction, they're even immune to grav"

>>51381976
And then Fabius made better versions that can

>>51381951
When dice behave really well and roll nothing but 6s, even if my opponent gets angry from it.

So what would it be like if all Walkers were allowed to move 12 inches and all Super-Heavy Walkers were allowed to move 18 inches by default?

>>51381919
Does KdK count as marines?

>tfw Daemon of Khorne does nothing for Maulerfiends

>>51381864
Too much flesh.

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>>51381944
HeretEK, thank you. And yes, I certainly am.

Creative freedom is helpful, obviously. Dark Biologis best Biologis.

(Progress on Stormvermin/Ogryn/Tyranid/Dark Eldar hybrid Castellax monsters - good.)

>>51381919
Meanwhile I'm just sitting here with my Crusader squads, durdling around in my Land Raiders, being stomped by even Ork bike-spam armies.

>>51382018
Gorkanaughts would still suck

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>>51381921
is the cover of fabius progenitor...

...but no eldar in this book

>>51381919
>tac marines need a buff
;_;7

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>>51382049

No elfdar but we do get Josh Reynolds pontificating how much stronger female marines are than male marines

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>>51382004
>mfw when blood angels drop pod out the sky and toast everyone turn one with their heavy flamers
>"Dude, ITC says blood angels are the weakest army, even weaker then Deldar!"
>"so if you're having problems then you just need to get gud :^)"

>>51381921
>>51382049
So what's up with Fabulous Bile having a pimp cane anyway?

Aren't those normally only issued to Tech-Priest Domini?

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>>51381944

>>51382074
I don't believe you.

>>51382040

They have more problems than just movement, so that's to be expected anyway.

But it opens the door for other walkers tremendously.

>>51382049
>...but no eldar in this book

Except for the Corsairs, the Harlequins and that time they go to the Craftworld.

>>51381919
>tac marines need a buff
I'm starting to remember why my friend and I hated the marine players at our local store in 5th ed.

This past thread has made me want to re-gear my guard into a plasma-fest. I want to make a marine player cry.

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>>51382108

We get a cringey monologue from Fabius about how females are more deadly than males and that the Emperor should have made the Space Marines female.

>>51382137
So, Fabius is a feminist?
Is that why the emperor's children kicked him out?

>>51382132
It's because of tribal retards like you that the game does not get fixed.

>>51382137
>females are more deadly than males
ya but its tru tho

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>>51382137

>>51382006
>Can breed
>better
its like you want mutants to take over the human race.

>>51382156
>tribal retards
oh because you're so civilized

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Made some quick math on tactical marines vs other troops. No extra gear, no chapter tactics/orders/markerlights etc. Range differences has been noted which might or might not give the edge. No cover saves by default. No break tests included.

>>51382038
The days of the black tide are long gone crusader bro, at least our grav centurions and bikes get +1 to deny the witch tho right?

>>51382195
>I don't know what tribal means

Do you think it's fun to be forced into one of 3 power lists to be viable? Fuck no. I'd trade all grav, all Centurions, skyhammer, the free rhinos and the fucking deathstars in an instant for viable tactical termies and tac marines.

>>51382188
I was talking about he's making them stronger etc.

But there's a difference between mutants and marines.

>>51382195
Look who got triggered there...

>>51382233
maybe a wounds inflicted line?

>>51382268
>>51382233

Wounds inflicted and how much points those wounds equate to would both be nice.

>>51382233
>No extra gear
>Debate revolved about too low price of AP2/3 weaponry

Thank you for the work mate but I think you missed the point

>>51382254
It was you!

Hi, hot head!

>>51382233
Fuck, and the labeling on vanguards are wrong, it misses the "shots" and every other label is misplaced but the math should be right.

>>51382233
>No extra gear
You seem to be missing the point, also
>check'd

>>51382236
>tfw only Psykers in local meta are 1 Grey Knight player and a 'Nid guy with 1 Zoanthrope

Y-yeah, huge help, brother-initiate.

I fucking hate GW for shoving us into the generic SM book. Even fluffy DA llists with bike spam or just a random Demi-Company would fit better into the normal codex in terms of gameplay.

>>51382268
>>51382281
Wounds inflicted is the right-most column. "Saves" should be renamed "failed saves" I guess.

>>51382287
the point was a comparison between tacs and their peers.

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>>51382233

>space marines with boltguns are superior in shoot-outs, point for point
>to every other infantry unit in the game
>except for high-tech dedicated ranged infantry, who would lose to them in melee anyway

truly the Emperor's Finest

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Can I get some suggestions on this list? I'm not familiar with Renegades so I'm unsure about the effectiveness of having multiple quad guns and wyverns in the same list. The rapier lasers are fucking amazing though at AP1.
Another anon mentioned only being able to take one unit of plague zombies but you're able to take as many as you can with the Vraks supplement and gets you an add on to the command squad that allows you to shoot artillery into your own units in combat.

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CADIA STANDS!

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!

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>>51382137
for fucks sake, I was interested in reading that book
time to add Reynolds as another "author pushing a shitty agenda"

Any decent Chaos novels out there besides the Night Lords?

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>>51382137
Well really females are much more robust than males at pretty much every stage of natural development. Even if female muhreens weren't physically stronger than male ones, they'd likely have a much higher success ratio with organ implantation and mental conditioning.

If all he wanted was raw power, why didn't he stick with the Thunder Warriors?

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119278/

Females also show a markedly lower incidence of severe mental health issues, suicide and destructive behaviour, so they might well have dodged the Heresy if Emps had just listened to Malcador when he suggested the Primarchs should be sisters not brothers.

Unfortunately the Emperor is a turbo-autist who cannot into humanity, unlike a certain other God-Emperor who DID create an all-female army of super soldiers who went on to become the longest lived and most successful military outfit in human history.

>>51382310
>>51382287
I kept it simple. It's missing lots of things as it is.

>>51382318
Yeah, BA and DA definitely should have gone into the main codex before Black Templar. Hell, even now BA could be lumped in fairly easily with minimal loss of material (Death Company as Chapter specific unit, let Honor Guard take Jump Packs, make Baal and Furioso into weapon options for baseline preds and dreads, add apothecaries).

>>51382362
>females are much more robust than males

Stap.

>>51382346
The only one that's losing to the Tacticals is the Guardsmen. Everything else is doing a higher % of unit damage to the Tacticals.

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>>51382349

enjoy defending the galaxy's newest asteroid belt while we conquer the rest of the Imperium, whoreson

ive got
>2 archons
>4 raiders
>20 kabalites
>20 wyches
>6 incubi
>1 venom
>24 reavers
>1 ravager
>Tantalus
>various archon court models

Anything else I need?

Im not a fan of the haemonculus cult models, but I might pick up some grots to stick in a raider or something

>>51382346
>I can't read the table
Orks: lose over 12", win unde 12"
Guard: slight win, but guard doesnt have orders
Guardians: lose
Tau: lose
Skitarii: lose

And that's without factoring in that for 15 points the guard get about one more kill per salvo and can take a ton of the things, and all the other undercosted shit around

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>>51381951
When the new unit I've bought and painted one color (so far) has done well on the table, validating my decision to buy it.

>>51382409
more venoms and more kabalites desu

>>51382402

boyz and guardians lose a lot more points to the marines than the other way around, if anything the guardians lose harder than the guardsmen because they have to pay extra for all their eldar stuff while still being GEQ

>>51382087
>DEldar
>Weak
People have this weird perception that they're bad, yet we are more or less mid-tier imo. Of course they are unforgiving, but if people had a brain to actually think about tactics on the table, then maybe they'd do better.

>>51382425

They win against Guardians.

>>51382433
They're by the bottom rung of the ladder, but that's more that, aside from the very top and Orks, the game is relatively balanced.

>>51382402
It'd come down to who gets to shoot first really. And against orks, guardians, and vanguard the tacticals holds the range supremacy. Especially against guardians (69,4% chance of not getting into 12'' range with battle focus from 24'' distance).

>>51382456
They're very underplayed and underestimated. But they do need a buff I'll agree on that.

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>>51382456

>Aside from half the armies in the game, the game is balanced

>>51382477
>four-five armies in the game
>Half the armies in the game

>>51382450
check your math

>>51382433
>actually think about tactics on the table
>drop pod comes down anywhere is wants practically without fail
>heavy flamer jumps out and toasts a squad of guys in a transport
>think about tactics

>>51382431
>>51382450
Guardians are awkward since they win if the SM can't rapid-fire, which is possible (if unlikely) due to Battle Focus combined with casualties.

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>>51382362
obvious bait, so you only get the one (you) from me
>implying woman aren't self-obsessed narcissistic whores
>implying a squad of entirely women would show any loyalty to each other and not be jealous that they aren't the squad leader
>implying the squad leader wouldn't be too busy abusing her position to be of any tactical use on the battlefield

reminds me of the old "mountain top" quote.

also, fucking triggered

>>51382245
Calm down, Calhoun. I play guard and sorely miss the days we were a solid all around army. I don't delve into marines much these days, and I get that a bunch of things are... redundant (I'm still not really sure why centurions exist. They just seem like slightly-stronger devs or slightly-weaker shooty terminators), but where I was coming from is that I'm not sure a buff is in order but a nerf to Tau and Eldar. A squad of your tactical marines up against a squad of my vets would still wipe the floor with my dudes, so giving a straight buff to marines would throw shit all out of whack and cause more harm than good.

Like I said, the crux of it is that we need to see a nerf-hammer, not buffs. Buffs are how we got here in the first place.

>>51382287

Marine combat squad vs. guard special weapon squad with plasma guns.

Marines, 5 dudes, all with bolters. 70 points. 5 shots, give 3.33 hits, 2.22 wounds. Kill 37% of the guardsmen.

Guard, 6 dudes, 3 lasguns, 3 plasma guns. 75 points. 3 plasma shots give 1.5 hits, 1.25 wounds, 3 lasgun shots give 1.5 hits, 0.5 wounds, of which 0.17 make it through the marine's armour save. Kill 28% of the marines.

Bear in mind that the marines are far superior in close combat, are virtually immune to psychology rules and give you free fucking vehicles. Guard can get orders, but marines get chapter tactics. The marines are a versatile unit not especially geared for anything in particular, while the guard are carrying their optimal anti-marine weapons. The marines still win easily.

>>51382493
>thinking drop pods make you invincible to DEldar
Ok buddy.

>>51382387
Apart from the gameplay, Black Templars and Crimson Fists are also the odd-ones out since they're the only non-First Founding chapters in the core codex, though Crimson Fists can be excused since they're just Imperial Fists with a special alternative character and a set of anti-ork Warlord traits.

Just give the main codex one generic unit list that are used in every Space Marine chapter in the book, followed by 1-3 pages of Chapter Tactics and norm-deviations and a few extra pages of special units for every Chapter in the book and you'd be good to go. If everything fails and the rules would be too long, just make the Space Marine codex extra large or keep the core codex limited to only generic tactics, then release a secondary codex similar to Traitor Legions. They could probably get away with that for every single SM chapter except maybe Space Wolves with how they are moving farther and farther away from the norm. Aside from those, you'd have 1-4 unique units, a few characters, one general detachment and 1-2 formations for every Chapter and it'd be more than enough room to flesh out every basic chapter to an acceptable extend while keeping things centralized.

>>51382489
Ignoring the ally-tier codexes, you've got Orks, Tyranids, and to a lesser extent Dark Eldar and CSM as factions that are significantly below the middle of the pack. Then you've got Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, and Daemons as significantly above the middle of the pack. AdMech are also significantly above the middle of the pack, but the average AdMech player is a shitter so it evens out this triggers the AdMech players, but ITC results tell them to accept their shitterdom.

Ok bros, help me out with a 750 point Salamander list. I don't want to get too crazy, still learning. But I'm thinking a core of:

Librarian
Dreadnought with heavy flamer and drop pod
2 5 man flamer/combi flamer tac squads, drop pod
4 sniper rifle scouts w/1 missile launcher
Thunderfire cannon

Not sure what else to do with the 96 remaining points (little less if I got with a Venerable dread). Should I focus entirely on other units?

>>51382495
so why is the average unit of female models in 40k better by far than the average unit of non-magical/mutant men

>>51382137
God Emperor why..

>>51382527
Quote the post where I said that.

>>51382492
>>51382494

Guardians kill just UNDER half the marine squad, while marines do better, killing just OVER half the guardian squad, assuming under 12". Guardians have effective range of 18" battle focus included, while Space Marines have effective range of 24". Space Marines will curbstomp Guardians in an assault. Space Marines win, but barely, and Guardians will do quite well if they use cover.

can dark angels replace a tactical marine with the imperial space marine?

>>51382362
>lower incidence of mental health issues
Because the females were already insane before augmentation took place

>>51381919

Tac marines did get a buff they got free transports and grav :^)

>>51382425

Doesn't factor in that most troops break and run after about 50% casualties while marines are in it till the bitter end.

>>51382427

>Not one single finished miniature in that picture
>This kind of people is who I'm supposed to play with
>Why must life be suffering

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Which of the new start collecting forces is best deal?

I haven't played since 4th edition and want to start over.


I like all factions pretty much.

>>51382591
By best deal I mean most playable and best monetary.

>>51382559
You said you could easily just put a drop pod in anywhere and smash us with flamers. Games don't play out like they do in your head bud. It sounds like you have a vendetta against us DEldar players.

>>51382495
>/r9k/ cherrypicking.jpg
>totally unsubstatiated claims/slurs against women

My two points were;

1. Females are more physically robust than males. I provided a source that backed this.

2. Females are more mentally robust than males. Same source backed this. Even a casual study of suicide rates, substance abuse and violent crime will back this up too.

Female marines would have made more sense. They're going to be physically superior to mortals regardless of gender due to Emprah gene-magics, so why not choose the gender with the more resilient physiology and noticably more stable psychology.

That's not bait, that's an argument in favour. Your reply is just /pol/-tier shitposting.

>>51382567
>expecting anyone to actually play against the Imperial Space Marine
Top kek.

Also, no. RaW only generic Space Niggas can take the ISM.

Rate my Uprising
GSC Cult Insurrection Detachment 1850pts

>Brood Cycle
>Icon Bearer 65p
>3x5 Acolytes, Goliaths, Leaders 3x100p
>5 Metamorphs, 4 Claws, 1 Whip on Leader, Goliath 115p
>2x10 Neophytes, Autoguns, 2 Seismic Cannons, 2 Grenade Launchers 2x100p
>10 Purestrain Genestealers 140p

Patriarch, ML2, Familiar 120p

>Subterranian Uprising
>Primus, Sword of the Voids Eye 90p
>2x5 Acolytes, Leader, 1 Rock Saw each, 2x75p
>5 Acolytes, Leader, 1 Demo Charge 70p
>5 Metamorphs, 4 Claws, Whip on Leader, Icon 75p

Deliverance Broodsurge
>2x10 Neophytes, Leaders, Shotguns, Goliaths 2x110p

Brood Brothers (seperate)
>LRBT 150
>LR Eradicator, Heavy Bolters, Dozer Blade 145p

What do with the last 10 points?

>>51382602
iirc either the admech or tau box was best valuable and both are good factions.

I personally advocate for admech since they're just more fun to play.

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>>51382591

>>51382552
Because 40k is a made up game that doesn't accurately portray real life? Kind of like anything fictional where women are awesome just because?

>>51382545
Tyranids aren't significantly below middle of the pack, they're just monobuild flyrants/mawlocs. CSM are also solid with Traitor Legions. Admech isn't significantly above other codices unless you factor in War Convo which shouldn't be counted since it's more than one codex.

What are other list builders than the shitty one and Battlescribe that doesnt work for me?

Deldar may have been mid tier a few tears ago, but the game has changed fucking considerably. Mechanicus are mid tier, deldar are low tier

>>51382636
How is the the eldar one?

>>51382632
What are the point values like?

>>51382512
>>51382515

You two retards are aware IG are one of the bottom armies above only shit like Orks, and that vets and guardsmen are their worst basic troops right? Oh who am I kidding, you fucking idiots think MEQ is good when Scouts are now BS4. There's a reason Battle Company never takes full squads and nobody ever allies in basic MEQ despite "T4 and 3+ and BS4 on a basic troop? Why are you complaining, I WISH my codex had that!".

Put your fucking money where your mouth and empty skullfuck of a brain is and ally in and play with marines then if they're so good. Eldar ally in Riptide Wings all the time.

Inb4 "lol look at the butthurt marinefag go spam more grav feggit"

>>51382562
>implying guardians won't use battle focus to get back behind cover after they shoot
>implying the tac marines would ever get to see them during their shooting phase because of battle focus
>implying the eldar player won't roll 4+ 6's to wound and auto kill the marines

>>51382512
>but where I was coming from is that I'm not sure a buff is in order but a nerf to Tau and Eldar
>For the lasthour I've been arguing that AP2/3 weapons need their cost raised
Are you literally mentally deficient?

>A squad of your tactical marines up against a squad of my vets would still wipe the floor with my dudes
Except you're wrong, 2 Veteran Squads with 1 Plasma Each beat 10 Tacticals with 1 Heavy Bolter (picked HB because of easy of calculation). The ratio only skews further as you add more points guard just gets the plasma cheaper

>>51382665
Microsoft Excel

>>51382679
rougly 400-500 points depending on upgrades.
too lazy to actually look it up.

>>51382610

To be fair, the lower rate of suicides/ mental health issues in females is mostly due to them generally having an easier life than males.

The modern western female wouldn't probably correlate very well to an average female in the Imperium.

>>51382681

lol look at the butthurt marinefag go spam more grav feggit

>>51382681
But anon I do ally in skyhammer and conclave

Your example was a broken formation, so I'll do that too.

>>51382583
Marines fall back too, they just auto rally

>>51382409
firepower maybe?
no trueborn, scourges?
how do you kill vehicles

>>51382679
Eldar isn't as good of a deal money-wise, and even though they're a strong faction, you'd often be better served just buying Windriders elsewhere.

Tau and Ad Mech are your best bets. Tau is nice because it can run either the formation or a CAD with ease.

>>51382703
Which doesn't hurt them as they can act normally.

>>51382694
Nobody looks at my list if I type it out though

>>51382572
It's also false. Women have higher rates of anxiety disorders and actually he higher rates of suicide attempts than males world wide. However males have a higher rate of completed suicide attempts because they tend to use more lethal means such as firearms, jumping from heights and hanging and make suicide attempts in isolation, whereas women tend to use less effective means, most commonly self-poisoning and are more likely to make attempts at home where they are often found by family members before the attempt is complete.

So no, women are actually more suicidal than men, but are less likely to die as a result of their suicidal behavior because of a combination of factors.

>>51382610
Because female marines would have been str 3 t 3 ld 7

>>51382679
>How is the the eldar one?
the one with 3 jetbikes and a farseer on jetbike
err.
well
dont be that guy

>>51382409
5 Talos to run Corpsethief Claw.

>>51382734
How good is that? (not the anon you were talking to)

>>51382715
The rally counts as them moving

>>51382699

N-no you can't do that, I called in before!

>>51382610
>lets take all our breeding stock and turn them into infertile mega-humans

Brilliant

>>51382723
>more suicide attempts
>when most suicide attempts are done in a cry for attention and not in with the goal of killing oneself

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>>51382725

>>51382710
What is a Form/Cad?

Doesnt an army need two troop and one HQ choices to work?

Did they really change how armies are built?

>>51382749
Marines make up a tiny, tiny portion of the human population, even during the Great Crusade. Any loss of reproductive capability would be so marginal as to be statistically irrelevent.

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>>51382037
Enjoy your "Creative Freedom" to be stuffed in a Daemon Forge, building the same boring Daemon Engines for all eternity, Omnissiah denying scum.

>>51382732
Aren't those like the only new models for Eldar in the past 10 years?

>>51382723
Exactly, women can't even kill themselves properly

>>51382745
When it Regroups, the unit does not make the 3" Regroup move, but
can instead move, shoot (or Run) and declare charges normally in that turn.

>>51382723
This boils down to women having a lower natural propensity for violence than men. If you look at a breakdown of homicide statistics women have a preference for poison as a murder weapon whereas men tend to use firearms or knives. Women prefer to kill in ways that avoid direct violence whether the target is them self or someone else.

>>51382765
Two troops and the HQ is a combined arms detatchment, or CAD. They basically just changed the name.

The start collecting boxes all have formations for the units in the box, so that you can still run an army with those inside even if you don't have enough troops for 2 squads there.

>>51382765
Yes.

CAD is a detachment that's basically the force org chart. 1 hq 2 troops minimum etc.

However there's also formations, which are standalone detachments with specific unit compositions that you can tack onto your force, and have variable special rules replacing the CAD's obsec on troops and reroll warlord trait.

>>51382647
truth in fiction anon

>>51382765
Almost all the start collecting boxes come with a formations where you just run what's in the box, and you get some bonus.

A CAD is a Combined arms detachments, where you minimum just need two troops and a HQ.
You can also make this out of the Admech or tau box.

Last choice is unbound, which is take whatever, but you get no bonusses

>>51382725
You're thinking of female guardsmen.

>>51382810
>>51382793
Why is Tau able to run a CAD when its still only one troop choice.

>>51382810
>You can make this out of the Admech box

No you can't, don't be a retard.

>>51382723
>So no, women are actually more suicidal than men, but are less likely to die as a result of their suicidal behavior

That's because women are calling for help whilst men are actually attempting to end their lives.

Hence females deal with mental health disorders better.

Due to more lethal methods as well, male attempted suicides are massively underreported, no one makes a note of how many times a guy has placed a gun to the side of his head before chickening out, but a women who shallowly cuts her wrists ends up in hospital and on the official records.

>>51382591
The Dark Angels Tac+Rhink box whose name I can't remember. Literally free rhino.

>>51382753
This is a really common and completely false misconception. People don't make suicide attempts if they're not actually willing to die.

>>51382610
If women are so much better then why arent they the soldiers while men stay home?

>>51382815
Let's be real for a minute here, female guardsmen should be str 2 t 2

>>51382825
Farsight CAD would let you take Crisis as troops, I guess?

Hey lads. Had a talk with my mate at Nottingham HQ. Got some shit to say.

1. There is no 'AoSization' of 40k planned. There is, and I quote, 'streamlining' planned. This is shit like replacing BS with a generic 2+/3+/4+/5+/6+ hit roll.

2. 40k is not ending. There is no Age of the Emperor planned per se. Shit will change, but it isn't going to change like WHFB did. He said the plans is for the Primarchs to come back and the situation to be the 'this is it' situation. Everybody brings out their trump cards. This means new mega powerful and cool shit for everybody.

3. In terms of fluff, rivalries are revisited and there is betrayal and side switching. He doesn't know what. He also says (but this is a rumour from him so lots of salt) there will be some minor mentions of the lost Legions. The rumour is in his circle about their relation to the fluff is

>One of the legions was perfectly fine, until they met their Primarch. As soon as they did so, shit triggered and turned them pretty quickly into warp tainted shit. The Emperor ordered the Space Wolves to purge them and said it was due to them dabbling in alien magic and their genetic traits twisted cause of it.

>The other Legion he says (again this is a rumour from him) committed a really bad crime. He came up with the possibility that when the Emperor met the Primarch, the Primarch instilled such insane loyalty in his Legion they automatically did whatever he said. Mate suggests that the Emperor landed with some of the Primarchs Legion, said 'here it is, son' and the Primarch then gets possessed by a dormant daemon, which in turn orders his Legion to fire on the Emperor and the Custodians. The Emperor manages to burn the daemon from the Primarch and the Primarch returns back to loyalty. Knowing he's been tainted and unable to purge an entire legion, the Emperor orders the Primarch and his legion that landed on a suicide run across the galaxy. The others not on planet are told Girlyman is their Primarch instead.

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>>51382783
I love these comics

>>51382825
Because the box of Fire warriors contains 10 of them, while the minimum squad size is lower. You can make two troop squads out of a single box, along with the ethereal for an HQ, Crisis suits as elites, not to mention the various drones.

>>51382610
What's the point of female soldiers if they all end up looking like men anyway? Stormcast do that in Age of Sigmar and it kinda defeats the fetish point of having female warriors.

>>51382610
>1. Females are more physically robust than males. I provided a source that backed this.

Your source said that male fetuses are more fragile, but even then more boys are born than girls. What does that have to do with Space Marines? The source goes on to admit male physical supremacy but says it matters less in modern life, but it would certainly matter to a Space Marine.

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I don't hate people for playing a specific army. When they get a new release, I'm happy for them. If they get nerfed or don't get any good releases, I sympathize with them. If they bring a cheesy list, I have fun anyways. Every Riptide toppled is a momentous event, every squad of jetbikes caught in assault is an exciting round of dice rolls.

But then I come on /tg/ and everyone is angry and hates each other. Don't you guys like 40K?

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>>51382865
They are way too cute. Sadly, I don't really have any saved.

>>51382879
>>51382852
Is farsight the Char?

I would do tau but I feel like I would want lots of Zaku suits and that would be super expensive unless I get things from skeezy ebay sellers/china

>>51382741
Pretty good. The key is that Scout gives them Outflank. 5 Talos buttfucking their backfield will ruin a lot of people's day and the Talos have surprisingly good shooting for such durable combat monsters. The extra VP are also nothing to sneeze at. It's a lot of points, but it can be really effective. The main downside aside from cost is that they're slow, so you need to make that scout move or outflank count.

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AoS Battletome downloads? Im trying to find a link to download all the battletomes for Age of Sigmar but I havent had any luck. Im looking for the new Tzeentch battletome but I'll want them all eventually

>>51382830
>That's because women are calling for help whilst men are actually attempting to end their lives.
No, it isn't. The completion rates of suicide are identical between genders with regard to methods used and place where the suicide attempt is made. And those two factors line up exactly with how women commit acts of violence in general, they do them at home using poisons.

>>51382700

Skyhammer is a terrible formation to ally with and Conclave isn't MEQ. You were told to ally in basic tactical marines, not multi-wound psykers, and Skyhammer doesn't even have tactical marines at all.

>>51382753
>>51382843
Women often fail suicide attempts more than men because they're ways of killing themselves are less 'violent'. A man will drill into his brain to kill himself, or throw himself off a tall building. A woman will OD or slit her wrists. Most medical calls I see from suicide are women who took a load of pills, went to sleep, woke up, felt less suicidal, then started to get ill and called for help. Or slit their wrists and decide 'NOPE'. If I ever come across a man who's alive after a suicide attempt it's down to dumb luck or them not jumping head first off buildings.

>>51382681
>You two retards are aware IG are one of the bottom armies above only shit like Orks, and that vets and guardsmen are their worst basic troops right?

The complaint was that marines were dying too easily because spamming low-ap special weapons in cheap troops squads was too easy. Guard special weapon squads are pretty much the iconic cheap troops with loads of special weapons. What other troops get that level of plasma-equivalent? Skitarii, wraithguard and that's pretty much it.

Yes, there are units which can out-shoot tactical marines, but it's very rarely due to them ignoring the 3+ armour which is what the actual complaint by the marinefriends was about.

>>51382933
Ask AoS general.

>>51382933
Oh shit didnt mean to post in this thread, sorry boys

>>51382934
And that women tend to try to leave a pretty corpse unless they've a point to make

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>>51382865
I forgot the name of the comic you posted.

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>>51382761

>>51382941
No one allies in basic troops though, except potentially Tyranids with GSC troops because the Tyranid troops are that shitty.

Can we take the gender war shit to r9k please

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>>51382844
Poorer physical performance relative to males, less inclination towards violent behaviours and martial employment.

Likely coupled with the fact that any tribes that did have females participating in hunting or warfare were quickly out-competed by patriarchal groups due to the difference in fertility. A very clear example is to compare the fertility rates of Neanderthals (egalitarian, female skeletons show equal number of hunting/violence related injuries) and Cro-Magnon Humans (patriarchal with gender-roles, greatly decreased incidence of female skeletons showing violence-related trauma).

Sending your women out to hunt and fight in a hunter-gatherer society, or even pre-industrial, is stupid, since each death directly impacts the size of your next generation.

But we're discussing a tiny corp of elite, physically enhanced and genetically engineer super soldiers, not a society wide trend towards female martialism. Not impact on fertility and negligable impact on combat effectiveness since the bulk of the astartes superiority isn't from their gender, but from their augmentations.

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>>51382857
However
BS streamlined seems okay. "new mega powerful... shit for everybody" does not.

>>51382997
She started it

>>51382921
The character in the Tau box is an Ethereal.

tau are dumb and so are suits. Old Tau fluff of xeno allies a best

someone in an earlier thread said transports snap fire heavy weapons while carrying troops.

Is that just dedicated transports, or any unit holding troops?

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>>51383010

Yes I'm looking forward to my lasguns needing the same roll to wound grots and bloodthirsters

>>51382909
I think most people agree, it's just cathartic to squabble on the internet over inane bullshit.

>>51383007
Marines would cut down on the availability of high quality females, due to the high mortality rates of gene seed implantation on non breeding females.

>>51382783
Not my task, friend. I have underlings for that. Mine is a higher art. And the Omnissiah is very much real. His Aspects are particularly tangible.

I wouldn't poke too much. I can always use more test subjects.

>>51382427
Bigocto from Ocarina of Time Jabu Jabu's vs Adetus Mustardes

>>51382921
Battle suit Tau isn't too pricey if you focus on Crisis suits. Farsight is essentially a Char expy, right down to the Red.

It's usually somewhat easy to find good deals on Crisis suits thanks to the Start Collecting box being a nice value, though it really depends on how much you're willing to go in.

Marines are male because thats how it is. There are plenty of other factions with women in them. Dark eldar models are nearly 50% female.

>>51383070
>Dark eldar models are nearly 50% female.

It's why I could never collect Dark Eldar.

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>>51383060
Yeah? Well... Um.... Same to you!

>>51382901
You're confusing physical performance with physical health. Females have a noticable superiority to males in the latter, and the former is irrelevent when the candidate, of either gender, is going to be pumped to the eyeballs with geneseed anyway.

Physical health, a stronger immune system etc would benefit the efficiency of the marine augmentation program. Fewer failures = more marines with fewer lives (and geneseed) lost in the process.

So you'd end up with a force that could more rapidly and reliably replace combat losses, meaning great numbers can be fielded at any given time, all for just a statistically negligable decrease in flat-out physical performance compared to male marines.

>>51382857
>There is, and I quote, 'streamlining' planned. This is shit like replacing BS with a generic 2+/3+/4+/5+/6+ hit roll.

I hope to god not. AoS's fixed rolls to hit/wound is one of the worst parts of the system.

>>51383046
I'm sure they'd just slap a special rule onto beefier shit like Greater Daemons.

>>51383092
I know what you mean. Who wants male Eldar?

>>51383096
I mean, the current Ballistic skill system is already fixed To Hit.

>>51383043
That doesn't sound right at all. Vehicles can move half their speed and fire one weapon while snap firing all others, or stay still and fire everything, or move all out and fire nothing

>>51383065
>60 dollars a box of 3

jesus

>>51383092
~dark eldar gives you cooties

>>51383117
the discussion was in relation to open-topped fast transports(DE raiders), which have only the one weapon.

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>>51383096

It seems strange to me that people call for streamlining stuff like to hit/to wound rolls but then celebrate them introducing the clunky, 'keep track of how many wounds this creature has and consult the table everytime it loses one' feature

>>51383094
Gene-seed is closer to having multiple organ donations over a long period. Does either gender have better odds at surviving transplants?

>>51382857
1. Nice if true. We really need shit streamlined.

2. Everyone bringing out their trump cards to a stalemate is going to reach a peak eventually at which point some progress in any form will be necessary, so just delaying the inevitable

3. I wouldn't be surprised if Mars stabbed the empire in the back or simply became independent as well as having traitors among the traitors, mainly Alpha Legion.

Though since this post is probably bullshit, its just speculation anyway.

>>51382988
>it's literally the requirement to take an allied detachment
>not allying in XV8 or scatbike troops
>implying super friends don't ally in bikers all the time
>implying armies don't "ally" in Tzeentch CADs for pink horrors to win tournaments as "Orks (featuring 99%. Daemons) or CSM (featuring 99% Daemons)"

>>51382963
That may play a part but I think that's covered by the part where women tend to use less violent means of killing and tend to kill themselves in places where they would expect themselves to be found by family members (who they probably don't want to find their corpse with their head exploded).

>>51383094
If male marines are str 4, female marines would be str 3. The emperor needed str 4 soldiers

>>51382997
I've stopped coming to /tg/ because of this shit. Once upon a time, thread derails were awesome on /tg/. Now it's filled with /r9k/ (thanks to apustus or whatever that Pepe variation is), /pol/, /tv/ and /v/. Which would be fine, if crossboard shit didn't happen.

/tg/ is now unbearable. Then you have the gimmick shitposters (we all know who) and then we have the meme forcers, the bullshit spreaders (HUR DUR AGE OF DA EMPEAH CONFIRME!!!!!) and people who purposely spoil upcoming fluff because lol.

>>51383046
Mathamatically, the shit works out. The usual argument people go is "hur dur goblins can kill a giant in AoS, they could NEVER do it in WHFB!". Yet if you do the maths, similar numbers of required models exist. 50 odd for AoS, 70 odd for WHFB (and 70 is impossible due to the Rank and File combat system). Nothing much has changed.

Also, the guy said TO HIT, not TO WOUND.

>>51383132
The same rules woul still apply no?

>>51383054
Marines recruit usually from a single deathworld with a tiny population compared to a hive world.

Any loss of breeding-age females would be irrelvent. If it was an issue, you could make the same argument that the marines are essentially culling the top 1% of the males on their recruiting worlds, which would have an even stronger effect of the fitness of future aspirants since males are the competitive gender in human reproduction.

Lose a top quality male who might have impregnated hundreds of concubines in a barbarian culture and you lose much more than if you lose one top quality female who, at best, would still not have borne anymore children than any other woman.

>>51382810
You can't make a CAD, but rather a Dominus Maniple out of the SC! Skitarii box. It's a special formation w/ one troop, on Heavy Support, and an HQ, but the HQ happens to be from a different faction.

>>51382857

Sounds plausible really. Except for the lost legions part, I don't think they need to be mentioned and will not be mentioned.

>>51382633

>SoB pay 2 pts/model less for basically the same troops
WS/I3/S3 means melee is almost never an option unless we want to tarpit with out 3+ saves. We're either S4 Ap2 with an Axe, S6 Ap4 with a mace, or S6Ap2 with a Chainfist, which was taken away from everyone but the canoness because reasons. T3 means we take a lot more wounds and thus a lot more saves than Marines against basic weaponry. The the difference there becomes less apparent against Grav/Plasma, which is more of a problem with the abundance of those weapons than the units themselves. Oh, there's also the whole ATSKNF thing.

>get twice as many special weapons, and ride in Razorbacks that have a Twin-Linked gun, Invulnerable save, double the transport capacity, and cost 15 points less. They've got a lot going for them apart from the 3+ save.

For starters, Immolators don't have twice the capacity. They carry 6 models, which is a minimum squad plus an IC if we want one. Second, their weapons are twin linked, but limited to a Heavy Flamer (which isn't fast), Heavy Bolter (yay?), or Multi-Melta. Third, they have a 6+ invulnerable save, which is not something you can rely on ever. However, immolators are good because they also have a firing point.

The fact that we get 2 weapons is a new thing to this Codex. Before, we were limited to 10 model minimum per squad, which was bad because that meant troops had to go in rhinos. Even with getting 2 weapons at 5, we still don't take many vanilla troops. Dominions get 4 specials, Retributers get 4 Heavies, and now we get command squads for our only source of combi-plasma, which cost the same as space Marines base.

We don't get drop pods, we don't get grav, we don't get long range power, we don't get tough units, we don't get Deathstars, we don't get psykers, we don't get jet bikes, we don't get high volume of S6/7 shots, but what we do get, we get a lot of.

We get melta, we get immolators, we get T3 bodies with a 3+ save.

>>51383179
that's why I brought it up, because I'd never heard that.

>>51382693

According to >>51382515 three plasma guns isn't enough to let guardsmen beat five tactical marines. Why do you think that two plasma guns is enough to beat ten marines?

Let's look at the math...

Ten marines with nine bolters and a HB. Nine bolter shots, six hits, four wounds, four dead guard. Three HB shots, two hits, 1.67 dead guard. 5.67 guard killed per turn, equal to 28% of their forces.

Eighteen veteran lasgun shots, twelve hits, four wounds, 1.33 dead marine. Two plasma gun shots, 1.33 hits, 1.11 dead marine, 0.33 gets hot results, 0.22 more dead guard.

Total marine casualties per turn: 24% of their unit. Total guard casualties per turn: 29% of their forces.

Guard reduce their firepower by less for every casualty they take, but they also risk losing their main marine-killing weapons to gets hot and can easily be broken. Plus they are only good at shooting, while the marines will easily defeat them in an assault.

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>>51383106
>army of only skimpy-armor space elf bitches

>>51383118
Depending on how you kit them out, that's 200 points right there. More if you include the drones you get.

Three boxes could easily fill out most of a 1000 point army.

>>51383165
>>51383178
>>51383156
would buy models like this

>>51383153

Female marines would be the bottom of S4 and male marines would be the middle/top of S4. Just like female humans are the bottom of S3 along with the amputees, cripples, and children, while Catachan are the top end of S3.

>>51383007
>Poorer physical performance relative to males
Friendly reminder that Catachan Veterans and Sisters Dialogus are both S3T3. Sexual dimorphism doesn't exist in the 40k universe.

>>51383195
Yeah, he did say it was a rumour he was talking to people about. He's not into the whole lore writing shit. He just knows the generic 'path'. Which is, Primarchs come back, lots of fights. Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

>>51383180
Except you can leave out a few dudes from recruitment and easily refill your stock. Harder to do with females.

>>51383116
Sure, but things like weapon strength vs Toughness when rolling to wound, and checking opposed WS's in close combat, are a pretty important part of the game. They add more mechanical depth and help with the narrative aspect - it's why AoS fell so flat for me. It was simple, but too weird and counter-intuitive to feel like a proper narrative system.

How to fix BS:
Roll a dice add your BS and subtract the target's cover value: you need to roll a 7 or more to hit.
A natural 6 always hit and a natural 1 is always a miss.

Obviously cover saves are no more.

>>51383153
Male guardsmen and Sisters of Battle are both S 3. How would there be any difference there?

Heck, of you want to argue stats, Callidus assassins are already physically superior to the average space marine in every regard.

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What's the deal with the whole shitfit over female space marines?
I mean, they'd kind of be redundant given the existence of the Sisters of Battle, but all in all I care more about GW blowing up Cadia than I care about the vestigial genitals of the Emperor's 8 foot tall angels of death. But maybe that's just me.

>>51383233

Reminder that Ork boyz and Guardsmen are both S3. The system is flawed to begin with.

>>51383212

Play DE using Raging Heroes Lust Elves. Unfortunately they're like all melee but at least you'll lose every game sexily!

>>51383046
>Ballistics Skill
>To Wound

>>51383236
>Harder to do with females.

Why?

>>51383247
Raging Heroes are ball-jointed, so you can easily pose them differently and slap some guns onto them.

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>>51383162
>>51383249

>implying their going to streamline to-hit rolls which has very little modifiers compared to WHFB and not to-wound

>>51383241
SoB wear power armor.

All of the assassins cost more than many space marines to make.

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>>51383233
Orks are S3 too and they're the size of the proverbial brick privvy.

S3 covers a wide range.

>>51383254
1 female and 100 males can't produce the same amount of children as 1 male and 100 females.

>>51383254
Because more males train for duty and most chapters recruit through voluntary trial of fire for their homeworld natives.

>>51383271

Orks are also said to have strength beyond that of a Human.

>>51383246
>>51383271
To be fair, Ork Boyz are actually the same size and strength as a trained and very fit man, canonically. That's not really that bad. If we had broader stats, guardsmen and boyz would remain S3, but regular humans could be S2.5, or something along those lines. Y'know what I'm trying to say here?

>>51383254
Better to have a bag of seeds and a hundred patches of fertile soil than a hundred bags of seeds and one patch of fertile soil.

>>51383244
>Constantinople Space Edition
>Sad it fell

Wew. We knew it would fall eventually. It's not too much of a problem.

>>51383263
But that's the point. Very little modifers so it's a lot easier for people to go with. Tau's Marker-lights change, that's about it. Cover Saves will be -1/-2/-3 to hit or whatever. I think that's much better.

I mean, you're a guy in power armour, behind a giant concrete wall, some guy shoots you and you go with the cover save, the cover fails, it hits you and magically ignores your armour.

That's why Cover Saves being To Hit debuffs is better. It means hugging cover doesn't result in you getting fucked if a shot gets through (and you can save it).

>>51383247
>Raging Heroes
Cant wait to start my army in 2020

They still havent delivered on most of KS1 and its been like 5 years

>>51383301
lolno, if there were fractional stats boys would be 3,5

>>51383276
Don't remember it ever being stated that marines scoop up 99% of their planets 8 year old males for recruitment.

They tend to just take the best of the best, then whittle it down further.

You wouldn't lose an entire generation to the recruiting cycle. Even if they did, which being 40k logic, maybe they do, you could easily alter that to allow recruiting females across a wider pool so you didn't disrupt their cultures.

>>51383315
Well it will certainly make melee king.

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>>51382427
>d20s on stalks
wew what am i even looking at here lad

>>51383286
That's not what my Primer says m8.

Says Ork muscle is inferior to sacred human musculature in density, which is why they need to pack more of it on to achieve the same result i.e. S3.

>>51383334
They scoop up the very best gene stock though.

>>51383343
spore mines i'd assume

>>51383266
Repentia don't

>>51383368

They used to have a 4+ save

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Here. I made another useless chart.
>Marines have gone crazy and only took grav weapons
>other units took what ever was the best against marines

This skews the numbers a little bit against tacs because grav might not be the optimal choice against these units while it also bloats the unit cost. But my conclusion is still the same. Which ever shoots first will probably win the firefight.

>>51383315
Having cover be a BS penalty would be nice, as it makes taking cover more universally beneficial, while also making BS above 5 more worthwhile.

>>51383410
That's carapace, not power armor. It doesn't change guard stats when they put it on. It doesn't change marine stats when they put it on.

Normal humans are S 3 regardless of gender.

>>51383428
It'd require a pretty serious rework of the all the statlines, as it'd make some units stupidly durable to shooting.

>>51383326
>>51383247
I could always just say the non-breasted ones are flat-chests, r-right guys...?

>>51383276
Not with that attitude

>>51383452
Everyone knows real Eldar girls are flat anyway, so go for it.

>>51381976
But the marine process isnt genetic. Theyrr more like biological cyborgs.

>>51383094
Stronger immune system would actually make the implantation harder. The stronger your immune system is, the more likely it is to reject the organs and fuck your body up--which is why today people looking to get organ transplants spend weeks on immune suppressants to be ready to accept the organ.

>>51383418
That's some good autistic work anon.

>>51383449
Not too serious. BS penalties is how cover used to work way back when, and the game is still using a bunch of holdovers and point costs from those days.

The biggest thing would be adjusting some units that might be a hit crazy with their cover save access along with their armor. Stealth suits spring to mind. Their 3+ armor rarely matters, but it would be a lot scarier if it stacked. Loweing them down to a 4+ would be a somewhat easy fix there.

The problem with gw stats is they never made any good use of 1 and 2.

Small things like grots and cenobytes / servitors should be str 1. Female soldiers str 2, male soldiers/elite female soldiers str 3, elite male soldiers str 4. Apply that same formula to every army and it makes sense

>>51383513
or expanded to 20 scale

>>51383466
Flat-chests are better anyway, desu.
I mean what are you even supposed to do when your sweater-puppies are sweater-doggos anyway
counts as additional close-combat weapons?

>>51383526
>having to buy boxes of d20s
Oh dear god no.

>>51383446
>normal humans are str 3 regardless of gender
And that's the problem. Elves can all be str cause elf men are gay af, but human females need to be 1 str lower than human males

>>51382611
why wouldn't they play against it?

>>51381540
>>51382009

The Siege of Vraks book is split into three parts, right? Which one actually has the Renegade stuff in it?

>>51383563

first one has a nurgle list and the second khorne one

>>51382512
>A squad of your tactical marines up against a squad of my vets would still wipe the floor with my dudes.
I play guard and have actually found that a squad of vets with 4+ armour and only lasgins, can put up a good fight against tacticals, if you stay out of the bolters rapid fire and keep using FRFSRF

>>51383526
>>51383546
d10s would have been a bit more reasonable. I'd say 2d6, but that gets into issues when you have to roll a bunch at once.

Really though, a lot of things are very compressed into the 3 4 5 range of the scale. Having guardsmen be 2 and marine be 4 would help open up a bit more room there for things like Orks to still be 3 while also having room above for monstrous creatures and dreadnoughts.

>>51383563
The 2nd edition is all one book. The three parts are the old ones.

>>51383452
or get gud at making GS tiddies

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>>51383533
this

>>51383513
The difference in strength between a male and a female is, on average, negligible.
A more sensible division would be str 1: grots et al, str2: cultists and untrained humans, str3: trained humans, str4: augmented humans, and so on.

>>51383580
>>51383546

it's already a stat system that goes to 10

>>51383593
Would Skitarii vanguard be trained humans or augmented humans?

Idk that they're necessarily as strong as astartes, but they're arguably stronger than trained humans, given that they're usually >50% machine

>>51383593
>The difference in strength between a male and a female is, on average, negligible.

Do you really believe this?

>>51382697

>
To be fair, the lower rate of suicides/ mental health issues in females is mostly due to them generally having an easier life than males.

Nope, because the same stats that show women having less suicide rates than men also show that women tend to be much more depressed than men.

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Is the landraider crusader with the hurricane bolters shit tier compared to a normal landraider?

>>51383641
The real question is why you feel the need for it to be represented in game terms.

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>>51382915
Whenever I see a picture of this artist I ask myself if he is mentally unable to imagine another face.

Don't get me wrong, it's a very pretty face and I can understand if someone has preferences or even fixations, but it's also pretty boring. This dull expression with those emotionless eyes and a mouth that looks like she forgot how to close it. And they never look like the warriors they're supposed to be, even if they're in battle.


Wow, I never thought that I'm this autistic.

>>51383658
It's better at carrying shit and wailing on grunts

>>51383658

Something's wrong with you if you think the normal LR is good to begin with.

>>51383671
autism

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Out of all the units that can go in a Castellans of the Imperium detachment, which one is the best to have accompany Inquisitor Coteaz and take advantage of his various buffs?

Personally, I'm thinking Centurion Devastators with grav.

>>51383492
Pretty much anything that's really durable now is going to be a nightmare if cover stacks.

>>51383681
>compared to

>>51383593
>>51383625
The trouble is that there needs to be a gap between guard and marines for all the things that should logically be between them, like Orks, Catachans, and Skitarii.

Having guardsmen and cultists both be strength 2 is fine. Training only gets you so far unless it's really intense, and at that point you're catachans. Complete civilians can be at a 1 like grots, which is fine.

Alternatively, you could bump up marines to be 5 on average, and then adjust some of the strength 3 things to be strength 4. That does mean marines have an even easier time of punching apart tanks though.

>>51383641
Not him but a female gorrila will throw you around just as easily as it would a woman. Human sexual dimorphism is minimal.

>>51383625
That's an interesting question, and I think it would ultimately come down to a question of balancing, as the Skits are probably around "3.5".

>>51383641
Yeah. At least more negligible than the difference between a civilian and a soldier, or a super human and a regular human.

>>51383353

>Primer

That made me laugh. Excellent joke.

>>51383688
Deep Striking Scion squads is my bet.

>>51383569
the third one has the nurgle bits in it

>>51383681
well my choices are
>chimera
>rhino
>razorback
>LR/LRC/LRR

so you tell me

>>51383353
You should stop huffing fumes then.

>>51383706
the instant death rules would need to be modified

>>51383714
>At least more negligible than the difference between a civilian and a soldier

Do you really believe that the average female soldier is stronger than the average male civilian?

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>>51383676
It does get rather boring after a while, but when I first saw it I was blown away, and it is still probably the best Sororita art I have seen.

>>51383714

Then have Skitarii be 4 and Astartes 5?
Like >>51383706 said.

In one of the HH novels some marines just budge their way through a crowd of humans and many of the humans die.

>>51383764
Yes? That seems pretty obvious, unless the male citizen is some sort of fitness buff.

>>51383785
That sounds fair. I support it.

>>51383762
Not overly so. Marines realistically should be easily punching their way through guard, even in the cases where guard have multiple wounds. The S 2 T 2 guard aren't going to be much different than their current versions, save for being worse in close combat. That's fitting though, as guard should be having trouble in close combat against Toughness 4 orks and marines.

>>51383767
This one always really bothers me.
>that fleur-de-lis on the right shoulder
>that Adeptus Astra Telepathica icon on the gorget and Chaplet
What did he meme by this?

was choosing guard as my first army a mistake?
i'm halfway done painting my first squad of infantry and I have a start collecting box in the mail and the reality of how many guys I have to buy and paint just kind of dawned on me.

>>51383849
It's not to late to switch to a more mechanized force. I tend to avoid horde armies for that reason though. 40 cultists was a chore enough as it is.

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>>51383625
I'd say generally, a Skitarius is going to win in a physical contest against pretty much any unaugmented human, if nothing else other than they're basically warrior monks who do nothing but train for war, and they all share a super-human stamina to be able to march into theatre.

But not to the same extent a marine would win. A Skitarius fighting a Guardman would hit harder than almost any normal soldier, outlast their opponent with machine-augmented endurance and shrug off damage as cybernetics shut down nerve ending or shunt coagulants through their arteries to stem bleeding.

An Astartes would just pick the Guardsman up and swing them like a club against the nearest hard object and they'd disintegrate into meaty chunks.

Skitarii are superior but not post-human.

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More sororitas

>>51383828
>creed and greyfax both instant death with against a bolt pistol

ok

>>51383802
>Yes? That seems pretty obvious

What's obvious is that you have very little experience in these matters. Throwing a little training at people does not make them significantly stronger, the military doesn't dole out Olympic fitness regimes.
Your average schlub will still have height, reach and muscle mass advantage over a female soldier.

>>51383828
The problem doesn't lie in the Guard being too high, but the Astartes being too low for the fluff. An ideal fix to the situation would be to make Marines S5 T4 (reminder that a Tau Stealthsuit somehow makes blueberries, who are weaker than Humans, S4, despite being designed for stealth operations), Orkz S4 T4 and Guard S3 T3.

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>>51383893

>>51383842
Sororitas assigned to oversee astropaths and BLAM them if/when they start gibbering and growing extra faces?

>>51383723
unfortunately, he doesn't have Deep Strike, so he can't actually accompany them.

>>51383900
Grenade explosions in human faces tend to do that.

>>51382909
I agree with you
I play CSM, Crimson Slaughter. I have learned to just love playing. I accept that honestly I'm the bitch at the bottom of the pile, even with Traitor Legions, my meta is pretty damn toxic, but I run my little Marines with as many Lighting Claws as I can fit into a Black Crusade Detachment and I hoof em downfield any what I can and just accept that I'll get tabled but that hopefully I'll lay in casualties on key targets and maybe kill someone important to progress the Long War however I can.

>>51383708
We aren't talkng about 500 lb female gorillas, we're talkng about 130 lb female humans with weaker muscles than their male counterparts

>>51383937
Oh you meant accompany in terms of actually joining him in a unit, not "accompany him as part of his army".

>>51383900
>Getting shot point blank with a massive bullet that plows through normal body armor and explodes
>Not dying

If it's that big of an issue, they could have it so certain wargear offers a bonus to toughness without needing to throw eternal warrior on everything. Or have instant death just deal double wounds instead of outright killing them.

We're talking a total rework of the system to make statlines more realistic. Of course it's going to cause some weirdness when humans die when shot.

>>51383907
The strength 4 on Stealth suits is so they can actually carry the Burst Cannons.

>>51383802
I'm gonna completely talk out of my ass here but how much can the world's strongest woman bench press? I'd be impressed if it was over 400 lbs. A man who trains for a year or two can bench that easily, not just a soldier, any man.

>>51383949
Fighting against giant green fungal gorillas in space.

>>51383238
I rather like this. Keeps it simple and makes sense in real life. Ignores cover would stay, and would negate the penalties. This could keep lictors, stealth suits, and shrouded scat bikes fairly immune to low bs armies then.

I like the less rolling idea. I just don't like extra math.

Maybe a bs penalty for long range shots as well? Marines shooting at 1" and 24" are just as accurate.

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>>51383907
Depends on the fluff a bit. It varies wildly, sometimes astartes are basically just particularly tough soldiers, other times they're unstoppable demi-gods.

Dan Abnett had three marines wade through a frontal assault into a fortified asteroid base which wiped out half an imperial guard regiment, and there were still going when the guard withdrew. That'd be along the lines of WS5 BS5 S5 T5 W3 I5 A3 LD10 with a 2+ save and 4+ FNP.

Personally I like my astartes as super as possible, dodging incoming rounds and tipping over armoured vehicles, but then you'd have about three marines per 1500pts.

>>51384009
it's 600lbs

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>>51383870
Yeah I'll probably go with the grenadier mech vets meme and pray that it's still viable next codex

>>51384032
Salvations Reach was badass

>>51383967
its not "muh realism" I'm complaining about, its that if you have normal guard and humans at T2 then any human character with more than 1 wound is almost pointless because many factions have basic weapons at S4

>>51384041
Dam not bad, would take a man at least 3 years to match that I reckon. 2 if he's already in good shape

>>51383949
Yes, but you're forgetting this is relative. Ork Nobz are S4. Marines are S4. 2ft tall grots are S2.

The differences between men and women aren't extreme enough to warrant either leaving the S3 category.

>>51384032
I'd like a middleground for TT. WS5, BS5, S5, T4, W2, I4, A2, Ld9, with FnP 6+.

>>51384063
As he said, just change the fucking EW rule or have their armors increase their toughness to 3.

Would really help if you learned to read the fucking post instead of just the green text.

>>51384085
Trouble is you'd have to push everything else up as well, and then you're hitting to close to the cap.

>>51384106
>armors increase their toughness to 3
at this point you are designing a different game; once you have to change every other rule to re balance the game. Just because some fluff says that space marines are supermen

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>ITT: Marinefags demanding core concepts in the game system be rebuilt from the ground up just to wank their faction
You guys can be as bad as Taufags sometimes. Sometimes worse.

>>51384108
>Trouble is you'd have to push everything else up as well

Not really, Ork Boy strength to 4 and give them FnP 6+, little things like that. As much as some writers love to stomp them into the ground, fact of the matter is if we take the average fluff Space Marines are the only ones (besides Orkz to a degree) under-represented by their standard statline in a vacuum of base stats.

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>>51383767
>probably the best Sororita art I have seen.
This one gets my vote.

Since Orks get stronger with every fight they win, how much benefit would it be if an Ork unit in close combat jumps on point of strength for each unit they defeat in combat?

>>51384069
Across most Olympic sports, women's performance is roughly about 10% lower than men's. We're not a species with a great deal of gender dimorphism when it comes down to it.

>>51384142
Bolters would have to go up, otherwise a marine is stronger than his weapon. Then all the rest of the weapons would have to go up to match.