/srg/ Shadowrun General

>>51380607
>Lifestyles edition: Tell me about your runner's crib, and any nice little touches that make it unique and comfy.
My streetsam's shitty apartment is neither unique nor comfy; it is much the same as all the other shitty apartments in his building, perhaps with one important difference: his shitty apartment only has 1 illegal Aztlan immigrant living in it.

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>>51380607
Hi, /srg/!

So I stated the conventional Tomahawk missile in Shadowrun 5E for fun also because I plan on throwing one at my players for laughs.

I had to base it off of something in the book, obviously. I figured that high explosive rockets would be the military standard for explosives put into rockets/conventional warheads. Because Shadowrun doesn't actually have a weight system, let's pretend that 1 rocket equals 1 kilogram because that makes it easy.

An HE rocket deals 21 damage, -2ap, and -2/m. Because of how explosives work in Shadowrun 5E is Rating = DV, which would mean that an HE rocket contains 1 kilogram of rating 21 plastic explosives.

Doing a basic search, the weight of the charge located in the warhead of a Tomahawk missile is exactly 450 kilograms. That means that a Tomahawk warhead has 450 kilograms of Rating 21 explosives. According to the rules of Shadowrun, the damage value of an explosive is the Rating of the explosive times the square root of the number of kilograms used rounded down. Square root of 450 (rounded down) is 21.

This means that a Tomahawk missile would have a DV of 441, with -2ap, and -2/m. But this gets better.

The rules of Run & Gun, page 176 state that a large enough explosion creates a background count. So far, the highest statted explosion is 25kg of rating 25 explosives that does 80 DV with a background count generation of 3.

Background count increases to by 1 for every 20 points of DV over 35 but it caps out at 3 for normal explosives unless you put "exotic matierls" like a dirty bomb, chemical weapons, astral bacteria. If you decide to do that, then the background count of the detonation would be 20. If it kills anybody, it would create a permanent background count of 20. That means that a 441 meter mana void.

TL;DR: A Tomahawk missile in Shadowrun would have a damage value of 441. If built in a special way, can create mana voids.

>>51380719
>TL;DR: A Tomahawk missile in Shadowrun would have a damage value of 441. If built in a special way, can create mana voids.
Yeah, but it would be outside of the hands of most runners so why bother with it?

>>51380719

Delete this, there are players on this board.

>>51380745
Because he's gonna shoot one at some runners.

>>51380607
>Ork Underground
It's called The Seattle Underground.

>>51380696
>his shitty apartment only has 1 illegal Aztlan immigrant living in it.
Ironically, immigrants from Aztlan is not really a problem in the Sixth World and you don't need to worry about them taking your jobs or whatever because they already completely and totally control a significant portion of the global economy and probably provide you with half of everything you eat and use in daily life.
Instead people have massively more immediate and legitimate reasons to fear Mexicans crossing the border because they are much more likely to do so with a very large army and with very advanced weapons and magical support.

So basically instead of angry southern white people hating on Mexicans for stealing their jobs they hate on them for being mortally afraid of their lives of them.

>>51380607
We somehow got an old firehouse, I'm trying to install a hidden door under the pole but that seems too obvious

>>51380778
But why? Why are they even being targeted by this? Who is going after them with a weapon that destroys entire blocks and small office buildings?

>>51380841
I dunno, it's almost a century old. Maybe it slipped into the hands of some paranoid drug lord somehow.

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My Decker's apartment is in a spot where buildings are terrifyingly tall but horizontal space is at a painful premium (Montpellier homebrew setting), meaning most cheaper residences are a bit like upscaled coffin-hotels turned on their end: Two floors connected with a metal ladder inlaid into the wall, with just enough room for an average human to lie down (trolls might get away with it if they lay down corner-to-corner). Pretty much every square inch of floor has something on it, and cleaning is a matter of being very careful with a hand-vacuum and duster.

The real nice part is that parking-spaces also have the same design-principals: Cars are held in place with mechanical clamps and tilted until they're vertical, so as to squeeze every bit of space possible out of parking-lots (if a car isn't able to be tilted or if the owner wants his ride to always be ready, residents can pay extra for a more conventional parking-space).

>>51380827
Who you gonna call?

>>51380859
But what have they done to provoke something so extreme? Why is he using it on them instead of his rivals in business? More and more questions keep getting raised here!

>>51380901
Because they are his rivals? They burned down his drug factory? The face fucked his daughter?

>>51380745
>outside of the hands of most runners so why bother
>most runners

>>51380924
Kane isn't most runners. And while I've not heard of him having one, don't tell me you'd be surprised if he did.

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>>51380607
She lives in a concrete basement with no windows. It's as spartan as can be really, the only stand out feature is that under the fridge is a secret room filled with guns. Also a bunch of work out equipment and a small meditation mat with incense.

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Is this a functional build for a Decker that can hold his own in a fight to a basic degree? 3 is a little low to start with in Pistols, but having a 9-AGI cyberarm knocks the dicepool up to 12 (14 with smartgun-enabled firearms and cybereyes), along with Jazz and cyberware to knock initiative and armor/physical-resist up a touch.

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>>51380745
It can destroy quite a bit of stuff, actually.

>>51380859
>>51380901

Well, I'm pretty sure the game doesn't have any big missiles that has stats aside from just hand-wave instadeath like the Thor shots.

I can see a ton of useful reasons for it, actually. Say they do a run against the military and they raise some alarms, and once the military decides that there is nothing they can do to stop the crazy ass runners from stealing something they don't want getting out they just launch a Tomahawk at them.

Anybody with a standing navy could have these, like how the UCAS apparently has a Nuclear Carrier off the coast of Seattle.

Tomahawks are great missiles, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just simply improved on the internals and just kept pumping them out.

>>51380607
>Lifestyles edition: Tell me about your runner's crib, and any nice little touches that make it unique and comfy.

My Lifestyle is Medium.
I live in loft in the Elven District of Downtown Seattle, which has a workshop for my computer-making bits and a community rooftop garden nearby so my food is a bit better then average.
It definitely costs more then a Low Lifestyle, but everyone in the neighborhood thinks I'm just a "Matrix security contracting specialist" (which I guess I technically am, just on the other side of the law) and I provide basically free help with the building's Matrix security protocols and help everyone with their computer hardware for free, and thus I don't need to worry much about my neighborhood screwing me over.

I tend to NOT bring my work home with me, just to ensure that my running and living remain as separate as possible for safety and comfort.

>>51380939
Guy is barely a runner at all since he runs what amounts to an entire pirate fleet.
He can assemble a team of runners entirely composed of people who WORK for him, which is not a runner at all really.

>>51380939
Thing is, Kane's turned down the idea of hijacking a military submarine (Source is Used Car Lot from 4e, I think) on the possibility it might contain WMDs and get him in more hot water than even he'd be comfortable with. As soon as any word got out that a runner was in possession of what >>51380719 described, shit would get uncomfortable very fast.

>>51380607
>crib
My runner sleeps where they drop.
Street for life.

>>51380990
>A 15 story medium office building takes over twice the damage as a 16 story large office building to bring down

CGL can't even keep their rules consistent within the same table

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>>51380719
Utilizing the same logic, the GBU-43 Massive Ordnance Air Blast would be 1,932 DV and, if using exotic materials, would create a background count of 95.

Anons, what would happen in a background count of 95?

>>51381326
We learn that we should not extrapolate the rules for explosives to heavy military ordinance, which should be left in the realm of GM abstraction.

>>51381326
You find yourself momentarily paralyzed and surrounded by five giant individuals looking down upon you, throwing humongous dotted cubes around the unmoving forms of you and your friends.

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>>51380607
He lives in a rooftop 'apartment' that's basically a big industrial AC unit that got gutted and turned into living space. It's pretty ramshackle, but it's got running water, electricity, bootleg-as-hell matrix access, and it's hard to find and damn near requires climbing gear to access.

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>>51381412
mfw one of the giant figures is me

>>51381377
Funny enough, the stats on the Tomahawk create a pretty accurate blast radius. Dunno about the MOAB though.

>>51380719
You should really be looking at the naval weapons rules from Cyberpirates

Considering making a rat shaman

1. Should I go full mage, mystic adept, or adept?

2. What spells are fitting of a rat shaman? Illusionary I would assume, but anything else? Detection?

>>51381766
I'd say go either mystic adept or adept with adept spell once or twice. Focus on infiltration and detection spells. Illusion isn't a bad idea but you can always just hide in the vents.

>>51381789
I've never been good at making mystic adepts. Any pitfalls I should be wary about? Also, since I'll be picking up the mentor spirit... I assume as a mystic I get to choose one of the advantages? I assume I don't get both.

>>51381834
Honestly the only person I've never seen not mechanically gimp themselves making one is a friend who is a munchkin par excellence. I guess with having to split attention between powers and spells you have less selection overall for accidental trap choices or something.

>>51381834
I do believe you choose only one advantage, yes.

As far as building one, I'm not too great at shadowrun yet (outside of a regular spirit-agnostic physadept, which amounted to 'get improved reflexes 3 and 10+ dice in pistols and go ham').

I'd suggest getting one or two versatile detection spells and dedicating the rest of your PP to boosting your infiltration skills (not getting bonus dice, I mean things like 'fitting through spaces smaller than your head' or 'never leaves footprints.' You can get 12 dice in stealth at chargen, that should be good for a while.)

>>51381869
I'm contemplating doing magical crafting, but what with my low skill count it looks dicey. I'm brushing up on what is actually important when it comes to magically crafting, but my current Sum to Ten is
Metatype: D Human
Stats: B
Magic: B Mystic Magic 4
Skills: B
Resources: E

I was considering spending my magic skills on Spellcasting and Assensing. Suggestions?

What would be good concepts for the Dependent negative quality other than the typical "I've got kids at home" ?

My GM wants to play around with it and I think it could be fun, but I really don't see my young dryad face having kids yet.

>>51382056
Disabled or impaired parent could be one. Or even a live in girlfriend/boyfriend. I played a human Decker with a dumb as shit Troll Father she had to take care of constantly. It was pretty fun actually.

>>51382056
A grandparent or parent maybe? Retarded cousin or sibling?

>>51382056
I once did it as a low level gambling/BTL debt.

Mostly because the character had the dice to not have to worry about normal addiction rolls most of the time.

>>51382056
Make a step in the other direction, have an elderly parent at home.

Or you have a partner living with you and all the hanky panky keeps you busy.

Or you provide shelter for homeless people or take care of orphans.

Basically anybody who seeks a lot of contact to you without being (too) usefull.

>>51382056
Runs a street orchard for her area, pays for all the fertiliser and non-copyrighted seed herself.

>Lifestyles edition: Tell me about your runner's crib, and any nice little touches that make it unique and comfy.

Doesn't get touched in our group at all, which i find kind of sad.
The rest is good though (and its IRL), so its alright.

>>51382114
Hey Yekka, how do I report issues to you? I tried making an account on Dumpshock, but the forum doesn't want to send a verification email.

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>>51382178
issues.chummer.net, [email protected] or here, basically. I prefer to have issues raised on Github since it makes it easier for me to pester you for more detail if it's more than a quick fix that's required, and helps me not lose track of everything.

>>51382230
Will do, thanks!

>>51382056
Other than younger siblings/cousins which are effectively the same thing? Well, there's older family relatives as others suggested, perhaps an old teacher if you have the Sensei quality as well. There's also the possibility of that friend or family member who always says he's on the verge of a breakthrough that will make him a rich man and you just don't have the heart to tell him it'll never work.

Thanks for the ideas everyone ! I think I'll either go for the elderly parent or >>51382114 if the GM allows it, it's really cool and original.

>>51382230
Nevermind, I went through the issue logs, and it seems you're already addressing the one I was going to bring up. Nice work!

>>51382364
Which is it?

>>51382382
When taking the infected Quality, Chummer doesn't subtract 1 from your Essence, which doesn't take away from your Magic either. I made a character and kept having to remind myself what my Essence and Magic was. No biggie.

>>51382010
Go Magic A. 10 spells are just too good to not take.

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hoi

technomancer book out yet?

>>51382674
Nope

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>>51382691
better luck next time I guess

>>51382652
I can't think of ten spells I'd actually want to have though, I mean...I'd be fine with like five. Also, I wouldn't know what I could decrease in order to afford it.

I'm comfortable with the idea that my character isn't going to be a super all powerful mage right out of chargen. Adepts are as far as I dabble in this game concerning magic, so I'm a little out of my element here. I have been looking at the Enchanting rules though, and it sounds kind of cool to have that kind of character.

Question though, can non magic users use your preparations? Or do they have to be a magic user to say activate the command word or something?

>>51380607
Small, crummy, apartment. Bare floorboards, piles of laundry, old takeout containers and the only thing passing for decoration is the table covered in computer parts and half-built terminals

Should I read core ruleboog 2nd printing or Master Index Edition if i want to get into SR 5e?

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>>51382871
You're a decker, ain't ya?

>>51382962
Yep.

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>>51382056
A blind and paraplegic little sister who is his sole reason for running.

Come to think of it, Lelouch would be an awesome face. Lots of mental stats, maxed out con and acting, aspected magician. What spells would he use?

>>51382522
Ah, yes. I keep forgetting to do something about that. The order of operations doesn't play super nice with Chummer's logic for Essence, since you'd technically have to pay for a point of MAG straight away; I may have to code up a special kind of Essence deduction for it, but it's a bit of a mess.
>>51382957
Master Index Edition is the newest printing.

>>51383057
Thanks!

>>51383042
Control Thoughts is an absolute must. I'd actually stat him as a social adept with that as his only spell (via adept spell).

>>51383042
Lelouch (what the fuck kinda name is that supposed to be anyway?) would just be spamming Manipulation psychic spells constantly.
Control Thoughts, Mob Mind, and Influence pretty much cover everything he can do, perhaps with some dips into Compel Truth, Control Emotions and Mob Mood.

He'd likely practice Black Magic as a tradition due to it's heavy emphasis on power, manipulation, and control as well as his utter ruthlessness when it comes to attaining his goals.

Hate to be a pest /srg/, but I was wondering if Anons would be willing to share their favourite pictures of Shadowrun-type night clubs/dive bars and the like. I need some inspiration for some designs and decoration.

>>51383057
I've been having issues with opening files in updated instances of Chummer, is that something unique to me or no? Like I need to keep about two or three iterations of it on my computer since newer PCs who join a game make their sheets in their most recent version.

Also the mentor spirit list is incomplete and someone in my group has Horse but that's just us remembering to use notes. I'm way more concerned about the update issues

>>51383297
It's an anime name.

>>51383383
Give me an example. Generally speaking, Chummer should never fail to load an old character, unless that character has data faults that haven't been accounted for. New versions of characters are largely not backwards compatible with older versions.

>>51383443
I'm opening a file in build 178 right now. When I try to open in the most recent, which the changelog says is 191, the whole thing crashes and the crash notice box says it was unable to start correctly.

>>51383508
Show me the file?

While we are on theme about homes and explosions.
What would happen if someone decides to drop a grenade in my house's basement where I keep all my gear? Have around 3-4k rounds of ammo,20 HE and stun grenades, 15 smoke, 10 teargas and few 7seven. Oh and 3 frag rockets.

>>51383524
Its still in char gen mode, I'm helping a new person make their sheet. Is that the problem here? Except the finished PC sheets do the same thing. I'll upload it to mediafire if you want a copy in a bit, I'm trying to fix some other computer issue right now. My antivirus software keeps locking down the latest version when I launch if I hadn't disabled it because it thinks it is unusual, and now everything is fucked up.

>>51383562
Depends what kind of grenade and where it lands.

A fragmentation grenade hitting the floor will shred some stuff but the chance of a chain-reaction of sympathetic detonations caused by shrapnel alone is very low. More potent explosions or grenades landing directly on or next to shit though? That'll level your house, easily.

>>51383357

Honestly I think pretty much anything goes. There's a glitzy side to Shadowrun whereby many bars and clubs will adopt all kinds of crazy themes and weird aesthetics to stand out from the competition. You've got AR to add another dimension, and in some rare cases even astral space might be involved.

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>>51383635

Forgot my pic

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>>51383654

>>51383627
More explosives it is. If im to go down Im taking the neighborhood with me.

>>51383619
Honestly I'd start out by making sure everyone's using the same version. 5.178 is over a year old. If the character loads in that but not in the latest, then I'm going to need to see the file to know what's wrong with it.

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>>51383181
>>51383297
Thank's guys. Time to make a new character

>>51383749
I'll do some talking in my group later then, see if everyone can open their sheets in the most recent version or see if the problem is on my end. And if so I'll get ahold of you via email.

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>>51380607
It was a high rise apartment in one of Seattle's better neighborhoods. It had everything. I was gonna pay it off.

Then the Triads found my Mutaqua friend hiding out there.

>>51383357
There's a kaiju themed one somewhere, the waitresses wear costumes and the floors have AR skyscrapers and cars that run from them

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>>51384198
Oh god, just capture that blood mage already and shut up about your apartment.

>>51382819
>I can't think of ten spells I'd actually want to have though, I mean...I'd be fine with like five.
And so would I, until I needed that 6th spell.

>>51384812
That's part of life, right? Can't prepare for everything.

I'm sad I've run out of skill points and I don't have all of the skills I want. Heck, if I could trade two spells I should know, for karma, I'd be ok with that.

>kill a man as part of a job
>years pass
>suddenly, the man's kid comes along and tries to kills, citing revenge for his father as a motive
>the kid is a chump, it would be as easy to take him out non-lethally as it would be to take him out lethally
What do? I'm not sure what I'd do with my streetsam...maybe he'd kill the kid same as if some random ganger attacked him, but then he was a dumb kid who went into a violent career for reasons that were stupid in retrospect, so maybe he'd knock the kid out and try to explain to him that in the grand scheme of things I'm just a tool that the corps and syndicates use to wage their secret wars against each other and his father was just a man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>51384989
Too much is left out of this description for someone to make an accurate suggestion.

>How did they find out it was you
>Explain what "as part of a job" details. Was he the target, or was he wrong place wrong time security guard?
>What is the streetsams moral compass in relation to killing people on the job? For nonlethal means, or is it dog eat dog?

Answering questions like these help to answer the question itself.

I mean, this could just be the GM going "Hur dur moral dilemma" and there's really no right or wrong answer.

Are there stats for some kind of ape or monkey critter anywhere in 5e? I had this idea with the Shapechange spell to shapeshift into an orangutan every time I get into a gunfight and use my spell hits to pump AGI

>>51384989
Up to you. If you play the amoral hedonist murder-bot street-sam then just kill the fucker and be done with it.

If you play a more moral and sane character that just does things as necessary evils and you try to avoid casualties then explain it, and if he still feels strongly about it, knock him out. If he comes back, hill him.

Or, if you want to retire your character, just let him do it.

If you wanna be cuhrazee, goad him, let him get the first shot off and then kick his ass.

>>51385133
>How did they find out it was you
Let's be honest here: if you're a good shadowrunner, it should be a complete fucking mystery to you because maybe you don't keep your tracks squeaky clean, but you clean them up enough so that no snot-nosed wageslave's kid punk can hunt you down.

That said:
>Explain what "as part of a job" details. Was he the target, or was he wrong place wrong time security guard?
Let's assume a security guard scenario, because if the father is the target then the kid probably has a good idea of who his really enemies are, and by real enemies I mean "the guys who hired you".

>What is the streetsams moral compass in relation to killing people on the job? For nonlethal means, or is it dog eat dog?
That's up to you, as I'm asking this in a "what would your character do" context.

>>51385284
>I had this idea with the Shapechange spell to shapeshift into an orangutan every time I get into a gunfight
>into an orangutan
That's awfully specific.

>>51385432
Or a chimp, or some other kinds of ape or monkey. Anything with the dexterity to hold a gun.

>>51385459
>Anything with the dexterity to hold a gun.
What's wrong with skipping the shapechange and just being a metahuman again?

>>51385482
Free stats.

>>51385482
My AGI is awful and every hit on the spell roll let's you increase one physical stat of your critter form by 1.
Eg. If I get some kind of ape form with 2 AGI and get 4 hits, I now have a physical form with 6 AGI, not the 1 my real form has.
Also I kinda assumed shapeshifting into a different type of metahuman wasn't allowed

>>51385482
>>51385546
Besides that, I also have the added hilarity of playing a monkey running around in body armour with a big gun.

>>51385340
OH, you're asking as a thought experiment. I thought this happened to you.

Its been a while since I've played a murderhobo streetsam. If I could knock the kid out I'd probably try to talk to him. Explain that it wasn't anything personal, wrong place, wrong time, and by saying that isn't going to bring him back. I mean it's a long shot in order to talk your way out of something like that, but just try to explain the best I could. Tell him that I'm going to knock him out and dump him somewhere safe, but if he decides to come after me again, I'll defend myself this time. Suggest he try to move on and live their life.

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Question: Do Condition Modifier Penalties from injury apply to Natural Recovery? Can you be in a situation where you have so few dice that the Critical Glitch on Natural Recovery kills you?

>>51380990
4e, the Emtacar Cruise Missile did 40P, -20AP for penetrating hardened facilities.

>>51386462
Wound penalties apply to everything except for armor and recovery, afaik.

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what do you guys think of the Shadowrun PC games?

I assume it's just me, but is any one else having the issue in Chummer that it's not showing any magic related skills? It's showing me nothing from the Sorcery, Conjuring, or Enchanting skill groups, or Assensing. The only thing I can get the skills tab to show me is Arcana.

Even using the drop down menu to show me "Attribute: MAG" shows me nothing.

>>51386979
they're pretty alright but would have been much better if they upped their writing game
especially the reveals in both Returns and HK

>>51362751

Shit. Try the Caroline Spector novels, like Worlds without End.

>>51384760
Good news is we found the blood mages.
Bad news is they brought an attack helicoptor.

Better news is if I survive I'm gonna start a drug empire.

>>51387039
I personally am of the other opinion where I feel the writing was on point, especially for the reveals, but the gameplay was only just passable.

>>51386979
They're pretty good for what they are; isometric RPGs in the SR setting with a nod to the mechanics.

>>51387553
This anon's got it. The writing is pretty good in all three, though Dragonfall is the strongest, but the gameplay is only OK. I can't tell how many times I've taken cover, only to find that 1. I took cover from the wrong angle (diagonals are jard to judge) and 2. my cover blocks my LoS to my intended target altogether. Why can't I pop out and shoot around a corner?

>>51382819
Heal
Improved Invisibility
Levitate
Influence
Trid Phantasm
Control Thoughts
Pertify
Fashion
Opium Den
Ice Sheet
P/M Barrier
Hot Potato
1001 Detection spells
Rituals
And you can't think of 10 spells you like?

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Why are the MCT Seven series so expensive but yet so garbage? I just want to get my daughter an intro drone (she's taking after her old man!), but for that price I might as well get her a full-size Pelican and she can have it carry her backpack, or a Renraku Caddy Ammo Drone (probably gonna remove the clip holders before I let her take it out in public, though. The neighbours would get the wrong idea). Hell, for one grand more I can get her a full-on GM Nissan Rotodrone.

Any recommendations? I'm actually kinda leaning more towards a Horizon CU^3. It's small enough to keep her out of trouble, and she'd get a kick out of taking some midair selfies or trying to walk in third-person.

I had an idea to help out my gun kata adept that has max agility and reaction but all of 2 strength:

Shock Spurs. Ranged weapon attachment, costs 500 nuyen, requires melee hardening. A simple action causes small spurs to pop out of the weapon's striking surface, which spark with electricity. These change the weapon's melee damage code to 9s(e) and give it -5 AP. The spurs hold 10 charges, after which they are useless until recharged. While plugged in, they regain 1 charge every 10 seconds. Wireless bonus: Activating the spurs is a free action, and the battery pack charges by wireless induction at the rate of one charge per hour.

Yes, no, maybe?

>>51387963
The CU^3 is a great little drone for what it is, though you'll want to spring for the professional version if she's going to be doing any serious acrobatics with it.

>>51387796
I decided to go with
Detect Life, Extended
Spatial Sense, Extended
Heal
Critter Form (Rat)
Deflection

I bumped My Magic rating down because I wanted more skill points. Still have Magic 5 though.

>>51387980
Just carry a Stun Baton in one hand and your gun in the other. Pistol whipping and Stun Batons both use Clubs, so you don't need to double up on skills.

I mean technically in 5e Improvised Weapons like a Pistol/Rifle don't have an attached weapons skill because they neglected to actually state it, but in 4e they used Clubs (except for the Fork and Chain).

>>51388081
I'm pretty sure Run and Gun notes that pistol whipping a bitch uses clubs, and it's hard to dual wield like my favorite action trids if I need to have a stun baton in one hand.

Also, why the fuck does Gun Kata have Opposing Force (Block) rather than Parry? If it's designed around using your pistols for everything, shouldn't it boost the one that uses your clubs skill? I know parrying with a firearm is retarded, even if it's melee hardened, but still.

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>>51388005
On the second thought, pick whatever you want to have fun. Cheers!

>>51388286
I was going to post my character for review, but I have no idea how to save as a pdf with Chummer hahah.

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>>51387993

It *is* her first drone, so I was gonna get her something cheap in case she wrecks it (lord knows I trashed my share as a kid). She would love the extra capability (and dad would love to play with it too while she's at school), but I don't know if I can trust 6000¥ of drone to a middle schooler if she switches it to manual control and crashes it into a tree.

But I guess that'll make a good teachable moment when she has to fix it "herself".

>>51388341
Use the Save as PDF button in the Print window.

>>51388353
It's not there, so I assume I have an older version. I'll check for updates. Thanks!

>>51388401
Odd. After updating it simply crashes on startup.

>>51388431
To what version? What's the error?

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>>51388431
Got it to work. Chummer still wont display any of the MAG associated skills though, so I have 5 active remaining spent on:

Spellcasting 4
Assensing 1

>>51388487
The problem occurred using the updater in Chummer. After I just went to the github and downloaded the zip and replaced, it worked fine. Still odd about the skill display though, I don't think there's a checkbox or something I didn't mark.

>>51388506
Oops, sorry. from version 5.189 to 5.190.3.

>>51388488
Weird, I just noticed it doesn't display the Enchanting group I took at rank 6, or the Conjuring group I took at 1.

>>51388568
I noticed when hovering over the Sorcery, Conjuring, or Enchanting Skill group button, they don't display the skills within that group. I noticed in .189 when hovering over the Sorcery skillgroup, it displayed the skills within the group twice.

I'm not sure if that information is relevant.

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>>51388488
Your character is a fucking disaster, sorry. At this point it is easier to make a new one from scratch than to fix this one.

>>51388568
Special menu, hit Reapply Improvements.

>>51388620
Hey wow, thanks! That fixed everything, sorry for being a retard about everything.

>>51388612
What do you mean? The character is shit in general, or just the that the sheet is messed up I might as well upload another one? If it's the character that's shit, I mean... Not much I can do about that.

>>51388654
>The character is shit in general, or just the that the sheet is messed up I might as well upload another one?
Both desu.
Your character just can't do anything well despite having high skills and stats priorities. It is all over the place but lacks focus.

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>>51388735
Here's the fixed character sheet. I mean, I was kind of going for some kind of infiltration type of character, but with magic. It did kind of turn out to be focused a lot towards making foci I guess, so I could do that as well. But yeah, I can see your point.

>>51388791
Use advanced text formatting, not whatever that is. Copy/paste to pastebin, then link here.

>It did kind of turn out to be focused a lot towards making foci I guess
... Don't do this. Taking Armourer is ok - if you fuck up with armourer, you might ruin a gun. Fucking up with crafting foci strips you of essence and magic, by which point you might as well just take the PC out behind a shed and top them.

How useful is a character that's just 100% Infiltration and movement abilities?

>>51388883
How often does the GM spring combat onto the team, or make it a required part of the game?

>>51388918
Absolutely no idea. This is a new group, and we've got a Summoner, Decker/Rigger, Leader/Face/Gunslinger, an Orc or Minotaur Bounty Hunter, and a Doctor who's also covering mechanics and eventually 'ware installation.

We appear to be missing an infiltrator, primary combat guy, non-spirit Mage, and dedicated Face. I'm not huge on doing faces and magic feels exploity and just too easy, so I've been toying around with doing the other two, but I'm not sure how much combat there'll be since this is ostensibly a black trenchcoat game.

>>51388873
I used the save as PDF function from Chummer and uploaded the file. I thought that was what everyone used?

So you're saying don't allow a PC to actually do the foci making? Because of the process involved...Huh, I guess that makes sense. What do you suggest I spend the 6 group points on in general?

I should probably state, my group is kind of low key when it comes to the game. It's not expected that you have to bring hyper specialized operators to every game, unless it's said before hand that you should. I'm kind of just looking to build a Great infiltrator, with good secondary support skills. Maybe I should get some more spells, and possibly go some kind of medic route?

>>51388983
He means use the Formatted Text-Only sheet and copy it to pastebin. It's arguably easier to read, since I don't do any logic to control page breaks and such.

>>51389099
Yeah I don't know how to do that, and I am aware I must look like a complete retard.

>>51389180
I'll just...Go back to lurking.

>>51389194
Print -> Text Only.

Is getting 8 Edge actually worth it?

>>51389204
pastebin/com/EK3CcRhW

>>51389250
Having literally nine lives is pretty neat.

>>51389284
Get back to reading, omae.

>>51389284
>>51388983
>What do you suggest I spend the 6 group points on in general?
I suggest dropping back to Skills B for 5 group points, and putting that into Sorcery. Better yet, a skill group where you're going to use all three skills. Skills A is something of a trap, in that you'll often overreach in trying to use all those skill points, and won't have the attribute points to back it up.

Possibly also deciding between Adept and Mage, because it's easier to build for.

Also, if you insist on the Colt Agent Special, get a backup clip of Capsule Rounds for Light Pistol ranges. Otherwise you're only able to shoot targets at Taser ranges. Automatics are still generally the better choice.

What is the max armor you can get in Shadowrun Hong Kong?

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How would you build the medic from TF2 in a way that would stay somewhat true to the source material while also being an effective member of a runner team? Talking 4E here.

Campaign idea:
Kids next door-themed go-gang

>>51390008
I believe it's maxed out at 10.

>>51390093
That's what I swear I read somewhere in the game, and that's what one of the characters has, but it's stopping me at 9.

>>51390085
Oh man.

You know that would mean it would have to include KND villans.

KND villans.

In SR5.

Shit man, I can't handle that.

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Is pic related supposed to represent any particular drone?

Could it work as a Strato-9?

What skill covers cleaning up crime scenes, disappearing bodies, and generally erasing evidence?

>>51390919
Your creativity.
Besides that, I'd go with related knowledge skills, eg forensics, chemistry and so on.

>>51390919
Knowledge skills:
Police Procedures (Forensics) is the most straighforward one, to know what the pigs will be looking for (and remove it).

>>51390919
Any number of skills depending on what exactly you're doing. Perception, for one. Maybe palming. If things get science-y then biology and stuff.

Most importantly though:
>>51390955

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If you use this power, and you have Adept Spell, does this allow you to negate the Sustaining penalty for as long as you're sustaining that spell, assuming that Magic > 4?

>>51380607
This came up in another thread, but now I am legit curious.

How would you adapt Shadowrun into a stone age setting?

>Watch own back
>Throw straight
>Keep stones
>And never, ever deal with dinosaur

>>51390986
I don't see why not.

>>51390914
Add rotors to the side and it could be a rotordrone.

Or maybe it could be a VTOL based rival desing to the rotordrone.

>>51387963
From parent to parten, you might want the thing known as "Bust-A-Move", it could even be a Teddybear or a Transformer toy.

Just make sure to slap some 3rd World A corp sign and language on it so nobody suspects that it IS a souped up animatronic from the blackmarket.

Also i would give your offspring 3 marks on it and designate myself as the owner... maybe add a inbuild taser on wich only you have marks.
You know, keeping the family safe.

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>>51391010

Can pic related work for the MCT-Nissan Roto-Drone? (Medium sized)

>>51391140
Scale it up a little bit and it should do the trick. Medium-sized goes roughly from 'big dog' to 'troll' in size; 50 cm would fall in the small category.

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Can someone explain the "Pink Mohawk\Black Trenchcoat" terminology to me?

>>51391561
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275773/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475394/
Pink Mohawk.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105435/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122690/
Black Trenchcoat.

>>51391561
Pink mohawk: punks doing fun things. Exploading cars, mad chases and body count in the dozen. Think action movie.
Shades/Black Threnchcoat: The super realistic tacticool operators. By the end of the run the corps wont even know it happend. Think gritty realism.
For both just imagine what type of person would wear this things and you would mostly get it.
On a side note if I wanna use some kind of inspirarion for good roleplaying do i stick to edge regain or think of something else?

>>51391561
Pink Mohawk => Focus on (over the top) action with the preparation for said action taking a back seat; think 'the expendables' or 'The A-team'

Black Trenchcoat => Focus on planning, preparation, covering all your angles and misleading the opposition before and after the run, with the action itself taking the backseat; think 'Ocean's Eleven' or 'The Italian Job'.

>>51391561
As far as I understand it there are two axis:
>pink - black
>Mohawk - Trenchcoat

The first gives the types of characters in the game. If all of you are normal persons who just do their jobs to are black. If you are specials, that stand out due to their actions, appearance or connections you are pink

The second axis is more about how serious you are/how much you plan. A trenchcoat team would plan and prepare a lot, to make the actual run go smoothly. A Mohawk team would just go in mostly blind

The most common are Black Trenchcoat and pink Mohawk (and this most characters are on a line between then), but black Mohawk and pink trenchcoat also exist

As with most things the extremes should be avoided
To black trenchcoat and you basically plan to much. It leads to stuff like "don't kill any guards or your life is ruined" or "if you don't have 2e59 R6 Fake SINs you are shit
To much pink Mohawk and it gets silly, no consequences

>>51391561

Pink Mohawk: Played like an over the top action movie. High adrenaline, no fucks given, consequences gone by the wayside. Carchases without getting swatvanned or attack choppered, or fucked up by too much backlash.
Hotline miami or any of the fast furious movies.

Black Trenchcoats and Mirrorshades (aka mirrorshades). Slick moving professionals that oughta dress like matrix agents. No drag, slick ops, usually 'realistic' consequences and simulationist-driven storybuilding where details can come back to haunt players. The kinda game where its a more serious heist atmosphere meets tradecraft. Perhaps oceans series minus silly moments, or leverage for the same. Johnny mneumonic done serious. Dial 0, ask for Operator jokes.

This leads to occasional mixups of terminology like pink trechcoat(semi-serious but action when its needed) or double mohawk.(when one mohawk is not enough to describe what you're doing).

Basically its a handy ballpark for not just the flavor of the game, but hints at the gming style, what to expect - and what's appropriate to bring to on your sheet, chummer.

For example: as homework, to calibrate your mohawk detector, please take a look at this character sheet and respond to this post saying what style of game it would fit into appropriately.
http://pastebin.com/d2MrefLm (this is not my work. it is hilarious.)
Okay? go.

>>51391655
Hot neon pink Mohawk with blades attached, just for the edge

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>>51391620
>>51391645
>>51391647

Ok, I gotcha. "Pink Mohawk" is more rule of cool, and "Black Trenchcoat" is real world=real consequences

But isn't this less of an issue with the GM's interpretation of the world, and more in line with the fluff that "shadowrunners are all kinds" ?

I mean, if you've got a runner team thats got a teenage decker screaming "hack the planet" and a former corporate security wetworks specialist - you have your two divisions right there.

I thought this was an intentional design idea in 4th ed? The whole concept that in the 2070's, being a shadowrunner is part of popculture - its cool. As such, you have this division between the old guys, the professionals, and the new kids, the ones drunk on the romanticism of living the life of an action trid.

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>>51391655
>http://pastebin.com/d2MrefLm

Good lord...

>>51391693
The answer is yes.
Both mohawks and shades exist and there are sometimes teams of both. Thats why most games are in the midle.
But the gm is there to tailor the game for best storytelling and maximum fun. If your players are all shades the jobs and world shifts to match the tone of the game. Same for mohawks

>>51391693
Not really, dude. It's a matter of the tone of GMing.

>>51391693
Execution matters the most. Even your teenager hacker prodigy can be black trenchcoat, just like your former corp assassin can go pink mohawk; it all depends on how the players behind the characters play them.

>>51391655
The more i scroll the funnier it gets

>>51391693
The GM decides the tone and enforces it
In a pink Mohawk game you can just drive into the bank with a humvee, blow the vault door of its hinges and escape after blowing up some police cars in the inevitable Chase scene
But try that in a black trenchcoat game and you will suffer

>>51391730
>Not really, dude.

Was there a massive fluff change in 5th? I'm not at all familiar with 5e

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>>51391746
>The GM decides the tone and enforces it

So if you have brand new players, new to the setting and the rules, do you think Pink Mohawk is the better way to go?

>>51391693

Black trenchcoat is not really real world = real consequences. Sometimes the GM will fuck you over just because.
For sometimes, in real world, pink mohawk is a legit way to succeed at making money.

>>51391768
Probably best to have a chat with them and work out what they're expecting/hoping for from the game.
Try and get everyone on the same page and go from there.

What is the maximum rating of a sensor that you can put into a Custom Ballistic Mask?

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>>51391653
>>51391655

Quote and screenshotworthy posts
t. screenshoted and attached them for future reference

>>51391768
In my experience, it's easier to tell a newbie "you're a robber, go steal 'McGuffin' without getting caught by the cops." and start with a more black trenchcoat approach. As usual, YMMV.

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>>51391775

Well, inferring from the characters I got, its more toward the "Black Mohawk" part of the spectrum

>>51391655
>http://pastebin.com/d2MrefLm

>no ammo

Obviously some gay as fuck black trenchcoat homo who is also a faggot

>>51391620
Come to think of it, there was an asian movie I gave up trying to find a while ago. It's about a guy who wants to win a martial arts tournament. He trains by punching a concrete wall and other crazy stuff, but gets his ass handed to him in the last fight, which pretty much ends with him headbutting the other guy's fist hard enough to break it. That was a good mix of mohawk and consequences, but I haven't found it outside of a chinese bootleg cd.

>>51391780
2. It doesn't fit on the housing list for anything higher.

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>>51391693
No, black trenchcoat is "over the top GM fiat wannabe tryhard Operator".

"real world" would be the crossing point of all axxis

>>51391827
Tbh this is fairly accurate. Black Trenchcoat is an objectively bad playstyle that's almost always ran as "Nyah nyah stupid players, you didn't say that you did this inane little detail nobody would reliastically care about, you failed it and they catch you and you die~"

>>51390085
>>51390143
Goddamnit, now my childhood nostalgia has been triggered.

>>51391844
What you said is the extreme, which is bad just like extreme pink mohawk. As >>51391827 implied most games should avoid going into any extreme

>>51380607
>Tell me about your runner's crib,
In one of my campaigns my players share a villa on the French riviera, the street sam bedroom being pretty standard, the shaman bedroom being a weird mess of dreamcatchers and various magical junk and one matress trown on the floor with a sleeping bag. They also have a garage with a workshop for the sam's drones, bike and car.

In my other campaign, the face/medic lives in a comfy house full of cameras in the outskirts of Monza, the razorboy lives in a former swimming pool with his dolphin friend, the street sam lives in his car and the decker lives in a warehouse with his gang.

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>>51391655
>http://pastebin.com/d2MrefLm
>1,400 Remington Roomsweepers

>>51380607
>Tell me about your runner's crib
If anyone remembers the tales of my drug addict Face\Gunslinger, this is his apartment...

>Corey's apartment is 1C, the ground floor. It contains a garage with a handy stairway into the apartment. 1C is also a studio, and only partitions separate the various rooms. Corey's upped the security, including multiple AR cameras, Biometric door and garage locks (all AR controlled), all thresholds guarded by tag scanners (connected to AR alerts), and hefty security bolts.

>Inside, the walls are AR controlled, to display either paint that enhances incoming light, or vistas (if the outside weather sucks) The carpet is also made with AR controlled light shift fibers, so the carpet color can match the walls. Several robots monitor the security systems, climate control the apartment, & keep it clean by vacuuming, washing, and picking up stray clothes\items. The food processor can make just about anything, and it tastes pretty good, with an AR controlled alert for any Krill or Seafood.
>Other appliances: washer\dryer, dishwasher, fridge, soykaf maker.

>House Processor is set to wake at 8AM, instantly display local weather, tint walls to let in as much light as possible, and tune the trid into stock reports, urban brawl reports, firearm design discussions, and whatever Amelia Rain movie is currently playing. Soykaf maker set to be ready at 8AM, and food processor to prep protein waffles with breakfast staples. All with soft music on and playing through the houses virtual surround sound. All priority Commlink calls are set to override the house network and display through any convenient sources (trid, walls, etc). House processor is primarily interacted with via the Amelia Rain virtual person program.
>The wake process does not occur if Corey isn't there.

Amelia Rein is a trid actress that my Face\Gunslinger has a waifu crush on. Thats just half of what I wrote.

>>51391653
Okay now I have players who plan a fucking lot, but their plans always involve explosions (the distraction kind or the destruction kind) or other shit like glue bombs. I tend to put dire consequences on their actions but they respond to this with even more balls-to-the-wall plans. Their characters are kinda normal (ex-military or gangers) but they tend to become more and more edgy in their downtime as they go up in fame.

What the fuck am I running ?

>>51391907
Also my own character in another game lives in the basement of an abandonned apartment building, behind a reinforced door, with his electronic devices and his psycho virtual gf.

>>51392003
A cluster orgy
It's like a cluster fuck, but multiple at the same time
Also, how do you respond?

If all else fails, talk to them

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>>51391655
>700 roomsweepers

what kind of monster is this?

So is it possible to have a "biozombie" as opposed to a cyberzombie? A guy who's got so much bioware that he's in an essence debt and is only kept alive by magic?

>>51392003
What does take up most of the game time: planning or blowing shit up?

>>51392030
>Also, how do you respond?
Recently they had a team on their ass. I used PR6 mook profiles (the "Azlaner" commandos in the NPC section) to try to get them, but they killed them. They are pretty much blacklisted by AAA megacorps who won't deal with them except with APDS, so they sell the organs of whatever is stupid enough to hunt them. Now I'll start hurting them in the assets, probably starting by threatening the hacker's gang turf with milspec.

>>51392114
Planning.

>>51392030
>If all else fails, talk to them
Also we all love that game, but it's a constant escalation.

>>51392151
>but it's a constant escalation.
Then there are two ways this can end, and both of them are TPKs.
>>51380719
>>51381326

>>51392143
>Planning

Then it's a trenchcoat game. A pretty wild one, but a trenchcoat game nonetheless.

>>51392107
Current cyberzombie technology requires the use of an Invoked Memory Stimulator so you couldn't have a pure bio cyberzombie, but it's actually rather difficult to get enough pure bioware to push you that far over the limit anyway.

>>51392222
But is is possible, if impractical compared to a cyberzombie.

>>51392175
>Then there are two ways this can end, and both of them are TPKs.
I wouldn't put past them to actually try to shoot the missile with loads of bullits

>>51392355
Yeah, but what will that do other than trigger an airburst?

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>>51392030
Just let them have their fun.
Our group had to retrieve some artifact from the London underground and the J. provided the ordonance for this.
We only used about a quarter of it, so atm I'm running around with a Cyberarm smuggling Compartment filled with plastic explosive.

>>51392469
>atm I'm running around with a Cyberarm smuggling Compartment filled with plastic explosive.
Gee, I see no possible way that could go horribly, horribly wrong.

>>51390069
You don't.

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>>51392492
Not really.
Plastic explosive is a pretty safe product, you can't trigger it with stuff like stray bullets or similiar bullshit.
It needs a specifc electric current to detonate, so as long as you don't feel the need to jack off a transformation station, you are as safe as a runner can be.

>>51392568
>It needs a specifc electric current to detonate
Still need to worry about tasers, taser clubs and stick'n'shocks.

>>51392360
Well, if they are 250m away, by RAW they are safe.

>>51392656
If.

>>51392669
There is plenty of ways to avoid detection or jam the missile guidance as well.

Hell, if all else fail the decker can still try to deck it on flight.

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>>51380987
>tfw only just realised the pdf got fucked along the way
Well then, take two.

>>51392681
This right here. Have the decker get enough marks on it to get into it's guidance system, then send it into space.

>>51392583
Luckily not.
Those are powered by normal batteries and according to the description in the CRB (or R&G?), these don't have enough juice to power electronic detonators.

>>51392222
>>Current cyberzombie technology requires the use of an Invoked Memory Stimulator
Didn't you read Chrome Flesh? They upgraded that to a nanocybernetic Flashback System.

>>51380785
t. Renraku rebranding shill.

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>>51380990
>Well, I'm pretty sure the game doesn't have any big missiles that has stats aside from just hand-wave instadeath like the Thor shots.

The Avenging Angel drone from R5 is the equivalent of a modern Tomahawk, a fast and semi-independent cruise missile used by GOD in the most serious situations. But the AA is equipped with 'a single fuel-air bomb, capable of leveling an entire city block'.

And I don't think fuel-air bombs are statted out anywhere.

>>51393227
>used by GOD in the most serious situations
So what this means is that if a Decker causes enough shit to happen on the Matrix, GOD is eventually going to throw their arms in the air and just launch a fucking thermobaric missile at the offending IP?

Because that's pretty fucking cool.

>>51393284
That is exactly what it means.

>>51393284

Yeah, but you need to attract a lot of heatto get to that. Like, took over SkyGuide and imminently going to turn every consumer plane into a cruise missile, or hacked Zurich Orbital and currently rm -rf /'ing the financial system.

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>>51393284
I love that GOD has their own line of drones, designed for escalating situations.

>Doves, tiny disguised flyers, constantly swooping around, sniffing out illegal signals
>Malakim, larger-than-people sized quadcopters loaded with jammers and non-lethal weapons to cut off hackers and direct ground troops
>Avenging Angels, when you are just really tired of Rami Malek and his unreliable narrator bullshit

>>51391817
>>51391908
>>51392041

The funniest part of all this is scrolling past all of the reaper's shotguns, going all the way back up and going 'holy shit'.
And then you get to see his edge score that you glossed over at the first glance.
Edgiest mofo in the game, inDEED.

>>51380607
Say I wanted to make a Face who's a real con man. Prefers using words to fists/guns because a) he's a lazy shit and b) he'd rather not get beat up.

Obviously runs are going to go wrong and combat is inevitable. What side speciality can a Face do on a run where talking won't be nearly as useful and combat is well and truly prepared for. I don't exactly want to sit on the sidelines being deadweight and I don't think my fellow chummers would appreciate that either. Best thing I can think of is some stealth trickery to help the team out from the sidelines/backline.

>>51380607
Sub basement below his favourite bar. Pretty much the entire place is stark concrete, since he's new to running and we just scraping by on his rent before now. The few furnishings the basement contains are a comfy chair, some decent speakers for listening to classical music, a soft couch, a mattress on the floor, and a well stocked booze fridge.
The corner has been turned into a hermetic lodge, cluttered with precisely placed ornaments and fetishes, and he plans to get an earth spirit to dig out some tunnels to help with the Feng Shui when he attunes the ley line running through it.

This system seems really bad, but the setting seems really fun. It hirts me.

Also, >clips

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>>51394158
Suppressive fire. Organizing drones to keep a lookout and secure the less dangerous areas (run off your commlink, one at a time). Pretending to be the corpsec director and sending teams in completely wrong directions/into ambushes.

>>51394346
The clips thing is a joke; the explanation is that normies kept using the word clips for everything, so eventually /k/ gave up fighting it.

>>51394158
Put some points into automatics and get one or more guns with full auto capability. Even if you've got piss poor aim and you haven't got much in the way of recoil compensation, suppressive fire is always a nice thing to have in a fight.

>>51394404
Those are neat ideas but
>Pretending to be the corpsec director and sending teams in completely wrong directions/into ambushes.

Tell me more. I'd love to play mind games with the enemy.

>>51394421
True. Can always lay down suppressive fire. Maybe put points into first aid too so I can at least patch people up as well.

>>51394404
>the explanation is that normies kept using the word clips for everything, so eventually /k/ gave up fighting it.
Which is funny because magazines are in-vogue now, and SR itself is schizophrenic about when it wants to call them by their proper term or not (see: Explosive Magazines) so I just override that worthless fluff and call 'em by their proper terms. Mags are mags, clips are clips.

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>>51394586
1) Get decker to hack into site's comm network

2) Get decker to spoof your commlink to appear to be the security director

2b) Either get cheap small drones or, if the Decker still has low Overwatch, get them to get into the security sensors. Set off sensors first so alert goes out, then get on the comms and direct people to that area (especially enemy mages/highly augged dudes/paracritters and other major threats)

3) Get the infiltrator to find the real security director and stab the shit out of him so he can't contradict you

Change it up by pretending to be a wageslave trapped in a closet by a colleague going psycho, a belligerent Lone Star patrol pursuing a criminal who insists on meeting site-security in person, a visitor who got lost and is now accidentally in a high-security area, etc.

>>51394627
>Mags are mags, clips are clips.
What's the trick to remembering which is which again? I've been told before, but I keep forgetting.

>>51394586
>I'd love to play mind games with the enemy.
Hint: check Acting skill group.
Also
>not abusing Command skill to boost your allies' initiative in combat
so pedestrian.

>>51394685
Sounds tricky but amazing if the team pulls it off, thanks.

Other Face question but who's safe to con? Or maybe a better question is how far can I be a greedy dick and play other people? Megacorps are probably off limits, as are Johnsons (though you can negotiate better pay with 'em) but how far can I trick people out of their cash/assets/into backing down to save my own skin?

I realise this is probably just a general 'How to Face' question but there's different types of Face and I want to play a sleazy and tricky but still humorously charming one.

>>51394158
Which edition?

If fourth: Decking. Being a hacker is cheap and only costs money.

>>51394787
5th, so unfortunately it may not be so easy.

>>51394739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_con_artists
Read, trogga, read!
Read their stories and learn.

>>51394739
My suggestion as for "who's safe" is to ask yourself how much trouble failure will bring down.

If the answer is nothing that you might not already bring down or just a little bit more, go for it.

If the answer isn't one of those two, well, try not to do it without using Edge and possibly not even then.

>>51394689
>trick
They look rather different.
Mags are "those boxy things".
Clips are, well, little clips that ammo are attached to. They can either be in magazines or hang out free (like in machine guns).
It's really not that hard to do, there's no trick involved. It's like asking how to tell the difference between red and blue. Just don't be a fucking dumbass like the grognards at CGL and you should figure it out.

>>51395097
>clips
desu this has been a thing since 1st Ed, so you can hardly call it CGL's fault.
They even accknowledge that its wrong in the books

>>51394158
>Elf (or worse Pixie)
>Aspected Mage that knows only Summoning
>Charisma-based tradition

Be the glib motherfucker you want and let your Spirit(s) do the heavy lifting when the fecal matter collides with the spinning air circulation device.

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>>51393508
>when you are just really tired of Rami Malek and his unreliable narrator bullshit

I know alchemy is subpar but if I really wanted to do it, what would be the best spells to use?

>>51394158

If Adept paths are still a thing in 5th edition, you can go "Speakers Way"

>>51395540

Kill [metahuman]

>>51395540
Manablade, wield a fucking lightsaber.

Suboptimal but I've always wanted to do it.

>>51395632
>suboptimal
>he doesn't build for character and flavor instead of minmaxing

I think I'm the only one that actually does this in my group and it's bitten me in the ass more times than I want to admit.

>>51395662
It's not that I'm mimaxing usually, there's already a dedicated mage in my group and two other players alternate playing adepts so I never get the chance.

>>51395662
You can combine both though.

Also:
>manablade
>suboptimal

Is this life?

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>end of job in Hong Kong approaching
>will be back in Seattle soon
>know that is just part 2 of a mini-campaign
>know that GM has run this min-campaign before
>know that GM has an archive of missions and mini-campaigns
>commit cardinal sin and read up on future missions in the mini-campaign
>in order to complete mini-campaign we have to go to Tsimshian lands, Europort, Arkansas, and one of Russia or a god damn space station
>also one of the missions starts with an EVO killteam breaking into each of our dwellings in the middle of the night, with Mr.Johnson offering to pay us 3 months rent for a new Medium lifestyle on top of the usual payment
>MFW I just to drive around Seattle in my customized ride being a badass streetsam doing badass streetsam things with the team for money, not any of this globetrotting overarching plotline bullshit, but on the other hand these are some well-paying jobs
I think I'll just express my mild distaste for travelling to the GM so he gives us a few runs in Seattle before getting back to his mini-campaign. Gotta get nuyen for gear for those really dangerous, well-paying jobs.

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How Lovecraftian do the deeper astral planes get? Is there any source material talking about it in depth?

>>51395323
I don't care about what some dumb liberals in Chicago who couldn't even predict Seattle becoming a cultural hub think about firearms.

>>51395662
>he doesn't build for character and flavor instead of minmaxing
You know, if you pick the right characters and flavors you can do that AND minmax with ease.

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For a combat-focused infiltrator with a little bit of forensics and other things, in a group that seems fairly laid-back, would this be workable, or does it need tweaks? If so, what?

>>51395715
Honestly, unless you're talking about force 2 or so, manablade is probably the strongest combat spell force for force. Probably one of the better to ban club members along with Turn to Goo, if I'm remembering the name right.

Powerblade, on the other hand, is pretty nicely balanced as long as you don't cheese high force with reagents and/or 'ware to bypass the stun you will take.

>>51394158
A true and proper Face can be a Face absolutely everywhere, and that includes combat. No need for guns, you have skills like Leadership, and if you're an adept, powers like Commanding Voice, to use.

>>51395735
How do contacts work in a game where you guys travel?

>>51396317
We pay for long-distance calling, that's how it works. Oh, and there are also temporary contacts that are just there for that job.

is sleeping tiger hackable?

>>51396317
Legwork in the sense of seeing if the guy we know happens to have heard of somebody local.

Or better yet, has a local friend we can give some patronage to.

>>51396808
If its wireless is on, yes. EVERYTHING is hackable as long as it's connected to the Matrix

>>51396841
The bigger question, of course, is "can I do something worthwhile with this."

In most cases, it's at best a cheap way of tracking somebody because they're probably not going to protect all their random stuff, but just as easily, it can be thrown (or turned off if a guy's paranoid about being followed via pants).

For the Tiger, you could do something about the Ruthenium, so that might be useful or might not. Depends on how you're tracking the guy.

>>51396897
>In most cases, it's at best a cheap way of tracking somebody because they're probably not going to protect all their random stuff,
Most of your personal shit you should be running through your PAN which means you'd better pay up for a decent commlink.

>>51396897
>random stuff
I wouldn't really call the armour "random stuff"

Tattooed on qi foci are still subject to foci addiction rules right?

>>51396944
>>51396953

Armor, yeah, that's important. Depending on the armor, though, the pants or belt or socks may be other things may be separate and not thought of by J. Random Target.

Although depending on the person, they might have the socks turned off so that it doesn't remind them to wash the spare socks.

>>51396992
Yes, they're still Foci. Tattoo Foci are just really hard to steal.

>>51396992
Yes, but remember.

It's about active foci, not just possessed ones. So if you have 30 force between your tattooed and normal foci, but only ever use 5 force at a time, your Magic 5 ass won't get addicted to focus use.

But have 7 force worth active at once and then you're going to have to check for addiction. (I'm assuming that you don't go cold turkey on all foci at that point.)

so in SR4e I'm going to be playing an elf banshee

in keeping with the loads of discussion on pink mohawk / black trenchcoat, this game is probably going to tend towards black mohawk. action but with consequences.

how should I deal with being a banshee? yes I know most banshee become literal retards but using runner's companion you can actually play them, which imho leads to sort of a blade situation? he's a smart/sentient elfvampire, is where i'm getting at

how would you handle feeding? the other players?

I'm running him as a hacker/decker who got unfortunately bit and has to life with it but he's also got the compulsion: combat monster, so probably once he's in combat its gonna be composure tests not to go gun down and eat people

>>51398057
Keep in mind that your preferred method of feeding is to scare the shit out of someone, chase them until they drop, then feed.

>>51398164
would that include spooking them using mistform, gunning them the fuck down with ex-explosive rounds and then feeding on them while somewhat still warm?

what is defined as being dead dead? just heart stopping, brain stopping? when does the essence leave your body?

tho I guess i could use flechete rounds, kneecap people and feed while they're mostly kinda alive. less resistance and the added benefit they dont develop a fetish out of it and stalk me for more

>>51398057
You need to rethink your fundamental approach to Shadowrun.
It would take too long to say exactly how much your character depends on being special and edgy instead of having a more relatable character, how much you'll piss off the other players and how your character is written like an edgy animu main character instead of a character who can actually meaningfully interact (and cooperate) with the other runners, so I'll shorten it down.
You really seem to have a funky grasp of exactly what roleplaying is, how group balance works and that you're playing with other people.
Calm down, for fuck's sakes. I understand that it's easy to get excited when you first start roleplaying, but you need to remember that you're not playing the main character. You need to make a character, at least on your first few tries, who actually has a reason to cooperate with the other runners without harming them, who doesn't depend on GM fiat, who doesn't have their specialness (or martyr complex) as a main character trait, and in general one that fits in with the setting and the group so that they can meaningfully roleplay instead of getting a mangled impression of roleplaying from playing GM-fiated edge monsters with Combat Monster.

For a rigger character, aiming for a drone army (and therefore forgoing the control rig in favor of a good RCC), would the following options be viable?

1. Getting a Horizon CU^3 and have it follow her around, directly connected to her datajack via the included 1m cable.
2. Using the CU^3 as her primary means of self-defence via a light pistol mount with stick-n-shock (assuming this is for going down the street to the stuffer shack - going on runs means bringing out 3-4 rotodrones with alphas).
3. Completely ignoring the perception skill, instead relying on the CU^3's sensors and her Electronic Warfare skill.

>>51398242
my group consists mostly of new players to shadowrun who barely know the setting, some of which seem to barely care about the setting and make all sorts of characters.
you seem to be making tons of shit assumptions on all sorts of things. ofc i didnt sum up my whole character background because we all have other things to do. this is nowhere near a "main character", i'm mostly gimping myself by spending so much points on banshee which gives no direct input or help to what my character does, which is some stealth/infiltration and mostly hacking in general.

so far we don't even have a reason for the group to stick together so yeah, I don't currently have reasons to cooperate with the others as I don't know who they even are.

I don't see how playing a banshee infected player so thoroughly steps me into the dark and edgy shitlord PC type when its a background choice for him, to distinguish him from yet another hacker mcgee who's an urchin and learned how to hacking by browsing deep nodes, which I guess is exactly what you'd have me create instead?

>>51398349
In order:

1. You may want to buy a longer bit of cable.

2. Get the Baretta 201T so you can also do simple bursts, I'd say.

3. Make sure to upgrade the sensors so that it has more visual options (and possibly other options) so that you can see more.

>>51398450
I figure the 1m is probably good enough for day to day things, but it's not like a 3m cable is that expensive. 2 and 3 are givens. Standard setup would probably be a camera (flare comp, low-light, thermo), omnidirectional mic (select sound), directional and laser mics (select sound), ultrasound, radar, vision magnification, and maybe an olfactory scanner - all at a rating equal to the sensor array of course.

What's the average flight time on a minidrone anyway? Is it ever stated?

>>51382010
Question since I'm new:

I've seen other anons like yourself posting here without an ABCDE priority, but so far as I can tell from chummer you have to have one of each. Are there rules for doing what you've done or is that just a common house rule that people are using?

>>51398349
Don't you need a control rig anyway?

>>51398594
Sum to Ten. I don't remember what book it's in, google it.

>>51398594
They are using Sum-To-Ten
Every priority gets a number (E:0, D:1, C:2, D:3, A:4)
you then have to chose your priorities so that in total they add to 10
should be in run faster IIRC

>>51398594
There's an alternative chargen method called sum-to-ten, which works like this:

Priority A is 4 points. B is 3, C is 2, D is 1, and E is 0. As long as you have 10 or less points spent after selecting your priorities, you're good. It's a little more flexible than prioritygen.

>>51398599
Nah, only if you want to jump in. You give up some bonuses from the rig, but a RCC lets you command multiple drones with a single action, and you can run autosofts on it that go beyond what your drones can normally handle.

Lets say you've got 3 MCT-Nissan Rotodrones with Ares Alpha mounts. Normally these can only run rating 3 autosofts for maneuvering and targeting, since their pilot rating is 3. The RCC lets you run up to rating 6, and share one copy of each autosoft between all your drones (though you still need specific model/weapon autosofts - a Nissan Rotodrone Maneuvering soft is useless for a steel lynx, for example).

They'd only have 9 dice for targeting unless you upgrade their pilot programs, but between full-auto fire and having 4 of them, it should be OK.

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>>51398639
>>51398665

>>51398594
How the fuck did you not see sum to 10 as an option in character creation? Do you not think? Do you not seek out things?

>>51398215
>kneecap people and feed while they're mostly kinda alive
>chase them until they drop [from exhaustion]
Do these two things actually sound similar to you?

>>51398744
It's not in the core book. Chill out, chummer.

>>51398744
Bad day?

>>51398762
>>51398767
It's literally right fucking there in Chummer. The only possible way he could not know about it is if he didn't look at the dropdown method, which is blatantly clearly false since he already talks about not using an ABCDE priority when Chummer locks you into karmagen unless you change to priority.

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>>51398744
because what I see is this

>>51398811
Oh. Well that explains a lot, and it's not right. Try updating.

>>51398811
What fucked-up interface is that? Are you... on Windows 10 or something?

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>>51398825

>>51398825
>Try updating.
That retard has to be on a fucking dinosaur version of Chummer, because it's has sum to 10 support for years. Years!

>>51398836
unfortunately. I use a windows 10 partition on my laptop for work and since chummer install was an .exe I just went ahead and used that

>>51398877
You fucking imbecile. How's that corporate cock taste? Go to hell.

>>51398868
>dinosaur version of Chummer
it's the one I got from the OP a couple days ago

>>51398893
It sure as fuck ain't, you goddamn little liar.

>>51398888
Why do you think shadowrun looks like such great escapism?

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>>51398908
Take it easy, omae.

>>51398913
>unironically being a corporate drone
Just fuck off already, you won't be missed.

>>51398888
>he thinks the work is as a corporate wage slave
>he thinks he works for them
>he doesnt realize the guy IS them

>>51398970
Even worse. Just fuck off.

>>51398893
What version does it list in the titlebar?

Hey Yekka, I think I may have found a bug. Really minor: the Directional Microphone sensor seems locked to 1 capacity no matter it's rating. I have various drone setups with omnidirectional/directional/laser mics, all rating 3, and the directional mic throws a fit when I try to put in a select sound filter and rating 2 audio enhancement. Neither of the other mics seem to care. Not sure if this is intentional.

>>51398893
You may have to check boxes for books to use. I would assume if you're not using the book with Sum to Ten in it (Run Faster?) it wont show up as an available choice.

When I first installed Chummer, none of the boxes except core was checked, so it took me a few minutes to figure out why I had so few options.

>>51399415
Wrong. I unchecked absolutely everything, and even used a fresh .exe.... and wouldn't you know it, sum to 10 was there.

With the bug promotional pen, Chummer5 forces placing sensor functions, when it has 2 capacity for sensors. (ie; 1-2 rating 2 single sensors at 200¥ each)

Outside of narco and pharma+ grade drugs are there any ways to lower the duration of negative effects from drugs?
Nephritic Screen got my hopes up but it lowers only the duration of the drug itself.

What is the best Reaction/Initiative augs? Whats the down sides? Are there any traps to look out for? Clever combos? Never ran a street sam till now. Playing 5e. Im also curious about how to make a good brawler/grappler or if i should just shoot shit

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>the you realize how similar the real world is to Shadowrun

>>51399415
Nope, the only build method that's locked behind an option is life modules. Thing is, having Karma and Priority enabled ONLY would indicate that the build version is like... 5.142 or something.
>>51399314
Directional Microphone is the Sensor Function. Microphone, Directional is the sensor audio device.
>>51399811
Whups. Will be fixed in next build.

>>51399985
Move-by-Wire for the roleplay.

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>>51400014
We can always move to Roanapur, omae. Become shadowrunners and get cool names like Dutch or Rock,

>>51399985
>brawler/grappler
Why do you use a slash as if those are interchangeable terms?

>>51400063
Regarding the microphone: I'm adding sensor functions - the camera, omnidirectional microphone, and laser microphone all have 1/[1] capacity, and it increases (to 2/[1] and 3/[1] and so on) as I increase the rating. The directional microphone stays locked to 1/[1] no matter what rating it is. I can add video/audio enhancements to the other sensor functions normally, it's just the directional mic that's broke.

Also, has radar been removed from sensor functions? Can't find it anywhere in 5.189.53.

>>51400014
>except without any of the good parts
All the corporate dicking, none of the fun toys, thanks life.

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>>51400148
>tfw too much of a corp bitch wageslave to be a shadowrunner

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>>51399985
>the best

depends on your aim

Wired Reflexes + wireless reaction enhancers for highest hard reaction possible (Wheelman, Meleefighter abusing Riposte)

Synaptic Acceleration for the most essence friendly

Move-by-Wire when FAST is not fast enough and essence is overrated.

Drugs if w/e, feel free to combine them with the stuff above.

>>51400655
>Move-by-Wire when FAST is not fast enough and essence is overrated.
MBW 5e is for when you just want a flat, reliable initiative score, and (GM pending) the option to keep using drugs.

>>51399985
Are you sold on street sam? Because a physadept can get pretty baller reflexes, a stupid dicepool for unarmed (or your skill of choice) and some other neat toys like combat sense and killing hands/nerve strike.

>>51400762
What was it like in past editions?