Warhammer Fantasy General

What are the rules for Drowning in WFRP 2e?

I'm looking at the rulebook and can see the Suffocation rules, but are there encumbrance rules for drowning? For example, does heavy armor make swimming more difficult? Can you shed trappings/armor/encumbrance points in order to escape drowning?

>>51378313
There are in-depth rules for it in the Warhammer Companion, I think in the river life section.

>>51378290
First for Tilea
http://liberfanatica.net/Tilea_Estalia/Spears_of_Maiden_Colour.pdf

>>51379514
Second for Estalia

http://tinstargames.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/0/2/12026323/swords_of_the_south_bm_2016.pdf

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>>51379514
>Liber Fanatica is back up

Thank fuck.

>>51381626
"Sorry, my horse is a bit racist."

"No-no problem."

"Yeah man-thing not worry-fear."

"HOLY FUCK SOMEONE GET THESE GOD DAMN RATS AWAY FROM ME!"

>>51379822
Zombies are coordinated enough to use guns?

How do you play with Omens?

The first spell of the Lore of the Heavens in WFRP 2e is "Omen," which allows a wizard to divine the future... How much information should I give a player during an omen?

>>51381963
Clues. Different futures, misleading ones and true ones all mixted up.

>>51381963
Don't give any information to them straight. Anything you give should be vague - a sense of danger, a feeling of dread, a faint current of hope - or something that has to be interpreted. Instead of saying 'the undead will attack the Garden of Morr,' have a vision of a skeletal raven landing on a gravestone and rotting dead hands reaching through the bars of an iron fence to try and get inside of something.

>>51381850
They're zombie pirates. He's probably just using it as a club.

>>51381963
When in doubt tell them a mighty empire will be destroyed

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>>51381963
>Have 30 Intelligence
>Cast Omen
>Assume the opposite of whatever the GM says because there's a 70% chance that it's wrong

Or even worse

>Have 50 Intelligence
>Cast Omen
>Cry

Omen is a terribly designed spell and it's probably better that you rewrite it.

>>51382755
It seems to work exactly as it should.

>>51382755
I was wondering about this. Seemed too punishing.

What I'm thinking is degrees of success like from Call of Cthulhu 7.

>Intelligence is 30. You roll a 29.
You get a vague sense of dread (maybe give them Sixth Sense for one in-game hour).

>Intelligence is 30. You roll a 15.
Some weird vision. Taking the Garden of Morr example: you see a Raven behind a locked gate, a skeletal hand reaching through the bars for it.

>Intelligence is 30. You roll a 5.
Something very pertinent to the quest -- like you have a vision of zombies attacking the Priests of Morr.

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Have you taken advantage of the death of the game to homebrew any of the rules?

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As a new Bret player, for a 1500-2k points game... is it worth taking Questing & Grail Knights? I honestly want more heavy Peasants, so I"m thinking that both units would be too point heavy.

Also do Bret players advise just keeping to 5 units for Questing and Grails? I never see units of anymore than 5 at a time?

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>>51381850

Well... not with that attitude.

Follow your dreams anon.

>>51387174
Grail Knights? Yes, though you best be careful with them as your opponent will throw all its magic and shooting at them whenever possible and turn your unit into a point sink.

I never found a real use for Questing Knights. Sure they have Great Weapons but they also strike last, have less armour and cost more. If you want a unit to stick in combat for more than a single charge I'd just buy a tonne of Men at Arms.

I'd also recommend having at least 6 to form a Lance, maybe a couple more if you want to throw a Damsel in there.

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>>51387378
ehh I don't think Questing knights...cause of the great weapons... can have the "lance" formation? Am I wrong?

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>>51382727
> Tell them the Warhammer world is ending...

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I see Warhammer Quest is getting another expansion.

Does anyone here own a copy? I just wanted to know how infested with AoS shite it was. I used to love the old version and Heroquest but I hate AoS's lore and without going into too much detail I want to replace all the non-WHFB heroes with an appropriate equivalent.

>>51387423
Lance formation can be used by knights of any stripe. Actual lances aren't needed. The rules don't represent it, but you should imagine it like the unit has wedged itself into the foe, the 'tip' of a lance that pierces an enemy.

Tomb King player here.

So what books would I benefit from read, fluff wise, besides the Core book and Army book?

Any WHFRP books with any information? Liber Necris?

>>51387739
The Nagash series. Gives you a look into what the Nehekharans were like before they got boned.

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>>51387174
What would you even do with heavy peasants? They've still got horrible morale and will break before even seeing battle.

>>51387760
I read the first two and I will read the last one. Nothing in 1st or 2nd edition of the Roleplaying game?

I saw a guide to the Empire, Bret, Kislev in the OP, is there one with good info on Estalia and/or Tilia and the Boarder Princes.

Never had a group interested in the RP, but I just want the Fluff.

>>51387671

Silver tower ain't bad.

Man I like old WHFB but man the AoS hate is real here huh?

>>51388185
Lure of the Liche Lord, second edition WFRP.

>>51387671
That elf has a very spankable ass.

>>51388164
They can surprise you. In one game I had a group of Men at Arms take a Saurus Cavalry charge, break and chase them down into a Saurus block, break them and chase them into a unit of Salamanders, who they then killed. They did better than my knights in that game.

>>51388203

Well I can't speak for anyone else here but yes I do quite dislike AoS lore.

However, the rules have potential and I think Warhammer would have made a good skirmish game so on that front I quite like AoS.

>>51388405
>>AoS lore
What's that?

But in all seriousness, Warhammer already had a skirmish game. But back when AoS was just rumours I thought it would have been a small scale game based on the Sigmar book series. With fewer models as fights were smaller, outside of the huge battles with Chaos and Nagash.

>>51388493

Yeah Warhammer Skirmish was alright but it was always a side-show to the main game and for that was unfortunately hidden away from most people. Updating it in a hardback wouldn't have hurt either.

We'll see what the second edition (4th?) of the Generals Handbook offers before I completely write off AoS.

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Something that I really like about WFB is that it seems to make sense. It feels like a grounded world in a way I can't describe, where most fantasy settings seem full of vagaries

>>51389852
The early writers were all historians.

It wasn't until those faggots who grew up playing the game got hired as writers that it all went to shit. But as much as they were able to run amok in 40k, their touch was always light with Fantasy.

What they did with AoS is basically what they did with 40k.

>>51389852
It certainly has over the top elements, but there are a lot of things keeping it grounded. Its politics, strategy of armies, relations between foreign and domestic powers, etc. Helps that it doesn't go so over the top where the newest heroes are going into space, becoming Super Saiyans and fighting Space Satan or whatever. It's a setting where the rules matter, and adding things in for 'rule of cool' often detract from it rather than add to it.

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Look what I found.

https://www.amazon.com/Patch-Squad-Inquisition-Warhammer-Sigmar/dp/B01EW0R2CC/ref=sr_1_4?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1485327866&sr=1-4&nodeID=7141123011&keywords=warhammer

>>51387739
Nagash series for background, its pretty mediocre though.

But read the Gotrek & Felix book where they hung with Khalida. That book is great.

I don't think they were really in anything else.

>>51388203
All of us hate all of the lore. Most of us hate all of the lore, some have elements they like.

Almost all of us really hate the new models. There's mixed opinions on the Sylvaneth stuff, one guy seems to have a Fyreslayer boner, nobody likes Sigmarines.

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>>51389897
>>its pretty mediocre though
I'll admit the first book has its problems with the constant shifting between 'rise of Nagash/Nagash has arisen' but they were still pretty good books.

Now Sundering, that was almost salvageable.

>>51389883
Right. You can imagine a normal guy going about his day in the Warhammer setting. Getting some news fresh from the printing press, grumbling over the Kislevite riffraff brought in to act as labor for merchant vessels that are now just brawling around the docks, treating himself to a mug of dwarven ale.

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>>51389877
Someone who grew up as a fanboy got hired then fucked the continuity sideways?

>>51389924
Mediocre isn't bad.
Its just when there's nothing that really grabs you, gets you excited, makes you want to experience it again.

That's the problem with /v/ and /tv/ folk. If its not 10/10 masterpiece they think its shit. There's varying degrees of quality to works, something has to be completely abhorrent-like Age Of Sigmar-before you should shy others away from it.

>>51389933
One of the things I liked best about the Ambassador Chronicles was how the Knight's Panther character insulted the embassy guards due to their shit performance in an exercise where they had to run around the city five times without breaking a sweat, which the knight did while in full plate.

He said that their faces were redder than a Tilean's ass. Prejudice is a good thing when it comes to world building, or at least I think so.

>>51389954
Fair enough I suppose. I was still pretty hyped when shit was getting real with Nagash forging his crown and getting his shit rekt by Alcadizzar.

>>51388185
Nagash books suffer from being typical gw drivel
Lure of the liche lord has some titbits and liber necris is a must read

>>51389983
Just the fact that that insult exists shows how in-depth the world can be. You have one people over here, and another people over there, and the people over here have developed their own ideas about what the people over there are like, and have worked it into slang and insults. In one short story, an Imperial told a Bretonnian merchant to 'stick to making cheese and seducing married women' after tasting his wine.

Once you try looking at any other fantasy universe and seeing how at best insults are probably some made-up word meant to sound unique, it just won't feel the same.

I have a question for all the lorefags.
how exactly are non-athel loren wood elf forests like?

Total warhammer just makes external forests into level 1 outposts that you use for mining amber.

>>51390232
This.

Its a very European thing to imply that every other country are sheepfuckers.
Nobody usually does it in fantasy though.

>>51390254
Sometimes magical, sometimes not. You're more likely to get pincushioned by elf arrows than get flayed by the branch of a mighty oak.

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>>51390254
Generally in Warhammer lore the Wood Elves don't leave Athel Loren other than Orion's yearly Wild Hunt where he just kills Bretonnian civilians for the lulz. They can, using the roots of the world tree, but have almost no reason to.

Kerillian from Vermintide is unique for that exact reason; she's a Wood Elf not in Athel Loren. Same with the character Aenur, Sword of Twilight that Kerillian is based on.

>>51390254
WHFRP has wood elves that live in the Laurelorn forests. As far as I can tell, they have no access to the spirits of Athel Loren, so they have to make do with their own wits. They're like Wood Elves but in a different part of the world.

>>51390294
There are wood elves in the Empire, most notably in Nordland. One criticism of Theodoric Gausser, the Elector Count of Nordland, is that he controls less than half of his province while the elves hold the rest.

>>51390263
I was wondering more like if they were more sophisticated than an outpost with very little independence or more like semi/fully independent realms that have their own glade lords/glade ladies who are autonomous to a huge degree.

>>51390338
With the Laurelorn thing, they're implied to not be related to the Athel Loren elves at all, so they're fully independent, if a smaller community.

I don't think it'd be unreasonable to set up outposts in most forests, however, run by a glade lord who decided he needed to keep a watch over that specific spot for whatever reason. From the brooding pines of Naggaroth to the sweltering jungles of the Southlands.

>>51390397
So, a more traditional total war building approach wouldn't be so out of place for a mod would it?

>>51388371

>Saurus
>breaking

>>51390307

Tehy're elves that live in the woods, not Wood Elves.

This is specified several times in the codex, as Wood Elves are the price Athel Loren set for saving the Everqueen, a portion of the elves that will be forever bound to it

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>>51390255
I love this little bit of fluff.

>>51387671
That artwork doesn't look very warhammy.

>>51390313
They probably help to keep the Beastmen migrations in check.

>>51388203
Reaction to AoS ranges from slightly disgusted apathy (me) to frothing rage (some anon).

>>51387671
apart from Sigmarine who could be replaced with Grail Knight on foot or something, and Fyreslayer who can be replaced by, well, regular Slayer, there's not much nonWHFB in Silver Tower. It IS a Silver Tower of Tzeentch, it's supposed to be located in Realms of Chaos (or phase in and out of them), etc.

If I started a WHFRP game, how many additional points should I give to an unexperienced party, in order for them not to get immediately slaughtered by weak monsters?

>>51390610
So, I am going to assume they won't have sentient tree people as members of the community right?

>>51391291

Exactly. They should be more like High Elves, living in the woods

>>51388185
Lure of the Liche Lord (2nd) and Old World Bestiary (2nd) have some valuable Nehekharan characterization bits.

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>>51388311
Wood elfs can be recognized by dat ass

>>51391367
breedable indeed

>>51389897
Please tell me Felix gets some mummy milf action

>>51391347
got it. Once the high elves come out, I will try and retexture their building models.

Right now my plan is to allow the player to build upward in wood elf outposts so that you can gain more resources by building taller. Elf specific unit buildings and Amber extractors are also buildable to give the player more options instead of mindlessly blobbing around bretonnia and the grey mountains.
Hopefully once the expansion is released I will be able to do more with those buildings on the campaign map.

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This thread has been occupied.
THIS IS SKELETONS THREAD NOW.

Post skeletons.

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>>51391407

It would be a real shame-shame if someone were to field a better tarpit

>>51391498
you mean zombies? yeah, would be a shame.

>>51390294
Kerillian also doesn't WANT to be out of Athel Loren. It's pretty heavily implied that snoo pingas usual got her cursed someho, and she literally has to kill enough rats to lift the curse. She also blames herself for 'letting this evil take root,' so perhaps the skaven stole something from Athel Loren while she was elfing around rather than actually doing her job.

>>51390254
Elven Vietcong.

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>>51391498
I wonder who-what is behind this post-post...

>>51390254
>what the fuck is amber doing in mainland forests, it's normally only found in and around the Baltic Sea (or whatever it's WHFB equiwalent is called)
>what the fuck do forest people need crystallized sap for anyway? forests are full of sap

>>51391501

As sad as it can be, zombies are very ineffective against skaven

>>51391636
zombies are ineffective against anything
point is, you can't Invoke skaven. you can Invoke zombies.

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>>51378290
Just started DMing a rules-lite version for my college buddies

>>51381850
During WHFB 6th edition there was Luthor Harkon's Undead Pirate army list in the White Dwarf, featuring zombie handgunners, massive cannons, sirens and other nice shit.

>>51391367
>fanart
>the same pic every thread
Yes, waifufaggots need to leave.

>>51391813
Good luck buddy. Tell us something about their chars

>>51391848
So much this.

>>51391848
No, we need more waifus.

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>>51391883
Take your cancer back to /twg/.

>>51391894
I've been here longer than you.

I shall drown you in an ocean of druchii and asrai cheesecake.

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>>51391894
>why don't my elves look like AYYLMAOS
no.

GW worked with CA and authorized every unit's design. This is how GW elves are supposed to look. Get used to it.

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>>51391980
>look at me, I'm such an oldfag!

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>>51391988
The art is as inconsistent as ever, here is a video game elf that is closer to the roleplaying game in the second edition, CA just tries to appeal to a bigger market with more human-like elves.

>>51391988
Disgusting taste. Off yourself.

>>51392034
Or perhaps it's the case that elves vary wildly in appearance, like humans.

We do know from multiple canon sources that elves are considered beautiful and sexually desirable by humans and even dwarfs (!).

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>>51392034
>my videogame is more accurate than yours.
GW keeps strict IP control on CA, which includes keeping an eye on unit design.

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>>51391883

>>51392092
>>51392034
here yo go faggots.
Notice the eye that clearly has pupils.

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>>51392101
>>my videogame is more accurate than yours
I never said that. If GW hadn't killed this off, my argument would have been to wait until next edition for how they will vary their design again.

>>51392095
>Or perhaps it's the case that elves vary wildly in appearance
Meh, what a boring answer.

>are considered beautiful
I feel like we had this a million times on this whole board, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are just good-looking humans with pointy ears.


The dev blog on vermintide is quite interesting. I'm trying to dig up where the design for the wood elves in the Total War game comes from, they may even said "just make them supermodels or whatever", but so far I found nothing.

>>51392160
>they write a blog on 1 character. Therefore this character is the more accurate than anything CA made.

CA got models from GW to base their units on. Watch the several vlogs they uploaded on youtube. They based the unit design on the tabletop everyone keeps harping on as the true soul of the game when it's convenient.

GW also had creative control over the book >>51392101 and that presumably included it's art design.

>>51392160
>I feel like we had this a million times on this whole board, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are just good-looking humans with pointy ear

But it does, explicitly, mean they're sexually attractive. Hell, even in Vermintide, Kerillian chides Kruber for staring, though he isn't doing it for the reason. First assumed.

>>51392195
>Therefore this character is the more accurate
Does your whole argument depends on things I never said? This whole thing started on calling you out on being a disgusting waifufaggot and your dirty hands soil everything.

>>51392202
>But it does
No, it doesn't. It measn they are attractive, but not neccessarily that they look 100% like a human with some pointy ears added as a gimmick. Is it so hard to comprehend that someone might be attracted to something that doesn't look like a supermodel, but attracts through things like movement, voice, aura? We are talking about a fantasy creature here, but you are really trying hard to make it mundane.

>>51392202
take Mystique from X-Men movies. she's fucking sexy, but nto because she has good forms - those are average - but because she has a blue skin. sorta made of feather-scale-whatevers.

she's attractive precisely because she's so inhuman.

>>51392269
>you are a disgusting waifufaggot.

No, the elves are literally the waifu race because everyone finds them attractive.

>>51392307
Again, I never debated this. This doesn't change the fact that you are a waifufaggot and pandering to you would ruin this fictional race. Go to /e/ and /h/ if you want elves that are nothing but a masturbation-device.

>>51392269
You're literally fighting a strawman by responding to a portion of a sentence. Nothing in the lore suggests elves have to look human, but they are explicitly attractive. This sets some rough upper limit on how strange they must look.

>>51392287
Mystique is actually a fair example of strange but sexy.

>>51392318
>ruin this fictional race.

They literally are waifus. GW authorized CA to make them waifus just like they authorized mythic to make them waifus.

Their other features don't change because they look like waifus.

>>51392348
>Nothing in the lore suggests elves have to look human
So you agree with me? This is what I'm arguing here.

>>51392350
>Orion is a waifu
Well, according to you, get rid of this guy. Who cares. Delete the lore about him, make the wood elves an all female race and also delete all lore that isn't about them fucking human self-insert characters. This is what you want, after all. Dumb them down to something that is all about guys that don't care about lore can stroke their dick to, the rest is unnecassary. Does this sound like a well thought fictional race?

>>51392401
sounds like AoS fluff to me

So, in WFRP 2, a wizard explicitly may not learn more than one Arcane lore. But can they learn a dark lore if they have an Arcane lore? Vampires definitely can (at the Lord career), but they're, well, vampires. Additionally, can a character have the Chaos and Necromancy lore, for example, if they get the mutation that let's them buy a Chaos lore?

>>51392160

Boring answer or not, it must be the right one, since we see a wide bevy of canon art and descriptions that vary across the spectrum of inhumanity. I always personally preferred the idea that wood elves tend to look much less human than high or even dark elves, to emphasize their feral nature. It would also explain why Bretonnians will straight-faced warn sea elves to watch out for the fae if they go near Athel Loren.

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>>51392401
I've never said they have to look human, just fuckable. This is a thing in the lore.

>>51392401
>muh hyperbole
nice way to miss the point.

CA represented the complete isolationism and force-of-nature of the wood elves perfectly through their techtree, story events, buildings and campaign startpos,
and they made them look (physically) like waifus.

You can grab a rope and hang yourself.

Annoying neckbeards like you who throw a hissy fit when something changes that is based on their autistic projections of what the lore is supposed to be. CA employed actual GW writers to flesh out the factions and be a part of faction design. I will take their word over yours everday, your autistic screeching nonwithstanding.

talking of Wood Elves

>Orion and Ariel
why pick such retarded names for demigods? generic greek myth whatever and a fucking mermaid with seashell boobs. why?

why not call him Oberon? why not call her Mab or Morrigan or something, you know, elf-related?

>>51392482
>their autistic projections of what the lore is supposed to be
I never did that.
>muh autism
Masturbate and get over it.

>>51392503
>ariel
sounds like a nice corruption of Alarielle tbph. I assume its more like the vernacular of the colonials deviated from the homeland. Ariel might have had a few superfluous vowels before the current one was born

Also Orion makes sense because he is THE hunter.

>>51392528
>I never did that.
>YOUR WAIFUING IS RUINING ATHEL LOREN REEEEEEEEEEE"

So, what's the story behind Orion and Ariel?

>>51392604
>>I never did that.
Exactly, I just called you out on posting the exact same pic every thread, stated my opinion on waifufaggotry and pointed at another video game wood elf that had a different design. You were the one implying some sort of canon design with an appeal to authority.

>>51392604
lame-ass greek mythos never make sense for anything other than greek expies.

WHFB Elves are celtic, Wood Elves moreso. ain't there a celtic god of the hunt?

isn't Ariel older than Alarielle? Ariel led the Asrai from Ulthuan back in the day. Alarielle is just the latest Everqueen, no big deal.

>>51392613
they were King and Mage-Queen of the Asrai. they came to live in Athel Loren, made sorta a pact with it, and lived in peace until a whole lot of orcs showed up and started messing shit up. they were losing badly, so Isha and Curnous told Asurian to stick his non-intervention law where sun doesn't shine and made Ariel and Orion their avatars. now, Ariel was already an extremely powerful archmage, and Orion was already a badass, but now she became directly bound to the whole forest on spiritual level and Orion inspired awesome bloodlust in elves and spirits alike, and so they rallied the elves and spirits and kicked all the orcish ass they could find. the end.

>>51392650
There are more than one person posting on the thread and warhammer fantasy barely has any fanart for it whatsoever.

>appeal to authority

Only, Warhammer woodelves are a GW design and "appealing to authority" works when all secondary and tertiary media are based off GW's IP

It's like saying that a guy brewing a concoction in his back yard has the right to call it coca cola and calling him out on it is an appeal to authority.

>>51392660
I was talking about the names themselves not the personages.

>>51392690
Wait, so the everqueen isn't the avatar of isha?

>>51392719
Everqueens are high priestesses. they channel Isha's power, and the whole Everyqueen hive soul shennanigans are Isha's doing, but they are not Isha herself

Ariel and Orion are direct avatars, much like avatars of Vishnu in hinduism. they still retain personality somehow.

>Ulric's flame that is literally part of Ulric burns in Middenheim
>people still believe in gods that are not directly active for some reason
>the least active and legit god is the main god in the pantheon

Imperials are retarded

>>51392709
That waywatcher from vermintide is based on GWs IP as well, this would only be comparable if I pointed at my homebrew setting. This was never really about what depiction of them is more canon, but that their depiction fluctuates and why some might be better or worse for reasons.

>>51392782
Only, her description is that of a single character.
CA used a multiude of elves ranging from orion to your average glade riding mook and based it off tabletop models.

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>>51392818
It's not like she's the only elf with dark eyes or something. That ayy elf has already been posted.

>>51392864
And I posted the official artwork of aenerion's lookalike, and he has regular eyes.

>"Hey, Mr. Gamesworkshop, how should we draw the eyes of the elves?"
>"However you want, absolutely. As long as we get revenue from the books and games, we don't care."

some time later:

>this thread

>>51392889
It's almost like it was always my point that their design can change.

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>>51392195
To be fair, Vermintide is the best researched Warhammer game by a long way and is quite honestly better researched than a lot of GW's own material. Particularly the more recent stuff.

>>51390232
There are some really nice bits of in-depth worldbuilding in Warhammer. One of my favourites is Averland's sun heraldry.
One of the major gods of the southern Empire was once Söll, a sun god and patron of Solland. He also gave his name to the river Soll. And might have been related to the God of Law Alluminas in some way.
Over time, his worship was supplanted by the Sigmarite cult but the final blow came with Gorbad Ironclaw's invasion of the Empire. He killed the last of the cult of Söll and caused so much destruction that Solland was wiped from the map permanently. The aristocracy of Solland fled to Wissenland and Averland in particular. Once there, they intermarried with the Averland nobility and in that way their heraldry - the image of Söll - became the heraldry of Averland.

Of course, the reason Solland was destroyed was for a relatively obscure meta reason. The first maps of the Empire cut off the province of 'Sudenland' to the south. Pic related.
As a consequence, everyone always forgot that it existed. So they formalised that by just writing it out entirely.

>>51391272
None. They should get slaughtered if they aren't careful

>>51391374
He doesn't. But she wants to.and Gotrek keeps egging her on.

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>>51393327

I chuckled heartily. Welp, gotta read it now.

>>51391883
Warhammer has never been big on waifus. It's quite the sausagefest.

>>51391272
They get one free advance, remember. I usually give 400 or 300 additional XP, which is enough to be competent in one thing, but still not tough enough to protect you from playing like a retard.

>>51393228
There are still references of Sudenland separate from that of Solland. Felix Jaeger's red cloak is of Sudenland wool.

does this refer to the former realm of Solland (now Wissenland) or just somewhere else?

Glance at your army. The first model your eyes fall on is the character you gonna play in WFRP.

After 5 replies we'll see how fucked up will the party be.

>>51393416
Empire Greatsword

>>51393327
Gotrek being cheeky? I'll be damned, I gotta see this.

>>51393228
vermintide has a tiny scope since it's a bunch of maps you run around in and whack reddit rats.

Warhammer is a different beast, and places like bretonnia and the empire fit the feelings and sense of the old world perfectly.

Fighting in the rolling plains and sparse woodlands of bretonnia is different than fighting in tunnels and desolation of the badlands.

Vermintide can do a lot of exposition that won't affect the gameplay because the game is not sandboxy in nature and limited in scope.

>>51393408
If I remember right, Sudenland is now a city in the Southlands. Even then, you gotta remember that G&F is old lore, and the reference could be dated. Besides, while Solland is no longer a polity, it is still a recognized place and part of Wissenland, so one might say that such and such was made there.

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EXPLOSION!

>>51393534
>>>/a/

>>51393534
that's Malekith before he got crispy, right?

>>51393228
Is it weird that something I have difficulty wrapping my head around are the maps?

The Empire maps always seem oriented differently to the Bretonnian maps, and the compass that's sometimes included only gives me a vague sense of which way north actually is.

>>51393669
you may want to consider getting a new brain

>>51393416
Can you even play as a Knight of the Realm?

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>>51393700
Knight of the Realm is a tier 2 career, after Knight-Errant but before Questing Knight.

My entry into the party is apparently a Skavenslave.

>>51392103
Females are the only Elves Dawi like.

>>51392348
Remimder that Mystique canonically can grow a functioning penis.

She's not Nightcrawler's mother, she's his father. Mystique had the first lesbian relationship in mainstream comics, and Marvel avoided the moral guardians by saying she can change genders.

>>51392739
Old lore it was the other way around. The Everqueen is Isha.

>>51393755
shave the rat, pass it for ugly halfling

So, uhm, how to make combat non-shit in WHFRP 2ED?

>>51393327
>Sexually liberated with a job
Khalida is oldschool feminist.

>>51393416
Thorgrim Grudgebearer.

>>51393416

How the fuck am I going to play a tomb swarm?

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>>51393758
>stupid sexy elves!

>>51393790
That just makes it the first trans relationship. I...think?

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>>51393408
Sudenland is the name given to the part of Wissenland that used to be Solland.

>>51393444
I like that Vermintide is on such a small scale, because it allows that kind of exploration. Total Warhammer covers the same old stuff everyone knows because it has such a broad scope.
I'd love to see an RPG by Fatshark in the same kind of setting. Something a little less hectic anyway.

>>51393465
Sudenburg is the colony in the Southlands.

>>51393669
It's oriented differently precisely because of the Sudenland problem. The Empire is roughly diamond shaped, so it doesn't fit too well onto a rectangular piece of paper. A lot of the later maps rotate it slightly to avoid cutting off the bottom of Wissenland like on the original map.

>>51392773
To most, the flame of Ulric is just a flame. There's no reason to think that it's somehow a literal part of Ulric, and it's not something I've seen the church claim. And Sigmar is as active as any other diety.

>>51394044
I want Witcher 3 but Warhammer Fantasy.

And thanks, I knew it was Suden-something, that city.

>>51394044
>I'd love to see an RPG by Fatshark in the same kind of setting. Something a little less hectic anyway.
Post-Storm of Chaos would be a perfect setup. Too bad GW are huge turds.

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>>51378290
So has anyone picked up the Early Access PDF for Zweihander? What did you think?

>>51394134
I liked the text. But didn't play it yet.

>>51394085
You'd barely be able to cover a small county in the scope of Witcher 3. I think most people would want to go to more that just one such small are, knowing the scope of the Empire, let alone the setting. I would prefer something Baldur's Gate or Divine Divinity-ish, over a province-sized scale at least.

>>51394044
Random aside, but this is actually a terrible map.

Some things that jump out immediately:
>The Moot goes up to the World's Edge Mountains.
>Frederheim should be on the road to Middenheim
>Ubersreik is about 50 miles west of where it should be on the river Teufel
>The Barren Hills are likewise west of where they should be
>Essen should be on the border with Sylvania
>Typo on Neues Emskrank
>Autistic shrieking

>>51393416
Mordheim Witch Hunter, the young one.

It's a recast also, so I could be someone pretending to be a witch hunter.

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>>51394011
She changes at will, romantic parts are shown with them embracing as girls.

She just used a cock to reproduce with her gf, an ancient female mutant named Destiny who looked like a green grayling when not disguised as an Aunt May lookalike.

The plot was abandoned, like most of Mystique's many romances.

Also, Mystique and Destiny adopted and raised Rogue.

>>51393416
>Countess Marianna Chevaux
Relax, I got this.

>>51394155
Those games scale shit down, too, and honestly I do not miss the borning, clunky mechanics. That wasn't what made those games great, it was the sense of scale and good writing.

I'd accept a province-based game happily. I don't want the Elder Scrolls effect. Imagine just how much detail we could get out of a small province like, say, Hochland.

So the fresh GM from previous threads here. It turns it out is dwarves only party (five of them!) Anons, please give me some plot hooks or adventure seeds you used or think of being nice or maybe you found them out just as you are finishing to read this. Cheers!

>>51394620
roam around abandoned holds trying to find bugman's brews,

>>51394620
Are you against running scenarios? The Karak Azgal splat is right up your alley.

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>>51394620
I got you covered broseph.

Also consider looking for the Book of Grudges, Black Fire Pass and Journey to Black Fire Pass all from wfrp 3rd edition and Stone and Steel from 1st edition. They're somewhere in the archives in the OP.

http://www.madalfred.com/ also has a bunch of dwarf stuff, like a sourcebook on Karak Hirn and an article on Dwarf Religion.

>>51394620
- Trading caravan,
- clearing an old mine or outpost and looking for relics
-?5 brides for 5 brothers,
- errands for a clans [Runesmith, Engineer, Thane,Etc]
- Small party navigating the mountains - warning the hold, fleeing battle, looking for Ores
- small community in an imperial town, grudges to solve with the damn humans, making a profit, no one listens to their reports of skaven

>>51394719
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>>51394719
>>51394731
>>51394783
>>51394816

Oh I am overjoyed by so many responses, anons. May Grimnir bless thee in oncoming battles.

>>51394719
I think I'll add it up to the plot aswell sooner or later

>>51394731
Well I'll check it out, but I've heard it's a dungeon crawler mostly.

>>51394783

I'll start reading now and I'll download those aswell.

>>51394816

I like the last one a lot and sooner or later I'll use it, but I'll keep in mind the rest aswell.

Sorry for the empty answer, if anything else comes up please add it up in an answer.

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>>51394902
>Well I'll check it out, but I've heard it's a dungeon crawler mostly.

It's a city of intrigue with several dungeon crawls added to give you ideas to work with.

>>51395112
Nice! I'll check it out after I finish up on reading heirloom.

>>51394239
Thing is, if you try to do Witcher 3 in The Empire, you're going to have the Skyrim effect. The Witcher 2 covers a ridiculously small area, all things considered, even when scaled down and condensed.

Try to do the same to a whole imperial province, and you've got something that's worse than Skyrim. You know Vermintide? Übersreik is a relatively small city, relatively unimportant city.

The scope of The Old World is huge. Each major province in the Empire is practically a nation in it's own right, and the entirety of the Empire is about as big as the entirety of the real-life Holy Roman Empire. And most of it is a forested hellscape of awful.

Have any of you ever used the Cult of Ahalt the Drinker in your WFRP sessions? One of the few evil, but non-Chaos gods, it seems. Wickerman! Not the Bees!

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cult_of_Ahalt_the_Drinker

I have a vision of my players tracking a chaos cult and spying on one of their rituals in the forest... and watching a group of people rush out of the woods wearing wooden, fetishistic masks and cutting down the cultists with sickles. When the players go out to greet these heroes... they're captured by the Cult of Ahalt to be sacrificed.

>>51395338
Vermintide makes Ubersreik way too fucking big. The population of Altdorf is only just over 100,000 according to Sigmar's Heirs. Ubersreik only has 3,500. The Ubersreik in Vermintide is a fucking metropolis with a retardedly large bridge.

>>51395463
The witch hunter even says that in the game "What an absurdly large bridge for this town"

>>51395463
Those population figures are for tax-paying heads of household (that can be found, censused, and taxed come census time).

The bridge is too big even for Ubersreik as it is, but that seems to be a deliberate thing, a gag on dwarfs being dwarfs.

>>51392447
You can have one arcane lore and one dark lore at the same time.
Also you can't have any witch or divine lore with any of above mentioned

Anyone has political map of imperium in a good res?

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>>51395895

>>51396490
Thank you

is really warhammer rpg 3rd ed that bad ? i might have a chance to by a cheap copy of the core box.

>>51397538
If it's super-super cheap, go ahead, because the resources might give you ideas for WFRP 2e games.

>>51396490
Where the fuck is Sylvania?

>>51398467
officially Sylvania doesn't exist, its part of Stirland


Unofficially the Stirland tax collectors only go there in army size numbers

>>51398638
I thought, no matter what Stirland claimed, they really couldn't exercise any real authority in Sylvania. Most of the human populace actively supports their rulers against Imperial incursions.

>>51399616
You can collect taxes. It doesn't mean your laws reach past the mists.

>>51397818
Despite the End of Times bullshit that piece of it is beautiful, even better if you play scandinavian fitting folk music. The part about Todbringer recognising how good Khazrak would have been as a human is great.

>>51391813
>rules-lite version
care to share?

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>>51399710
It was a dance that had - literally, in an out of character sense - been going on for decades. It was something you could emotionally invest in, and having it finally come to a close at the end of all things is really powerful. Nothing lasts forever.

It's one of the moments I'm glad they didn't fuck up. Probably because there was no twist to add to it.

>>51399862
Simplicity and yet development of this was great, Middenland fitting.

>>51399616
Depends on the point of time you're talking about. Before Mannlet came back, it was ruled more or less by reject nobles from Stirland, with some more discreet vampires remaining around. Since Mannlet returned, fucking with Sylvania is right out.

>tfw seeing the hall of the poison feast in the Vermintide dlc

That was pretty fucking neat.

>>51400945
it sucks that the DLC weapons can't be acquired at the shrine.

I don't think I'll ever get a Warpick

>>51401231
I got one. I'm not too impressed, dawri. Though it is pretty as hell.

>>51400945
Yeah.

Too bad its Skaven only. Proper scary skeletons would have been amazing.

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>>51401461
TYPICAL DWARVEN CRAFTSMANSHIP !

>>51401535
[Kruber Greathammers Internally]

>>51401535
Did a gust of wind blow you off those fae feet of yours?

>>51401535
Wutelgi please stop

>>51401231
funnily enough, I just got a warpick just recently

its okay, still like axe and shield better

>>51393416
My ogre with a cleaver imbedded in his skull

>>51393416
Skaven Assassin

>>51401231
Warpick is pretty fun. Not the biggest hitter, but stills knocks rats arounds around.
Still trying to get the repeating crossbow.

>>51406343
drakefire pistols is where its at

>>51406370
Havent really mucked around with those. Nowadays keep using my red grudgeraker.

>>51406377
got a blue one during the holiday giveaway.

came with targeteer and like 30% or was it 40% ? knockback

works like Sienna's staff so ammo is never a problem

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What are non-destructive type things Daemons can engage themselves in? Surely Chaos isn't so one dimensional that every single thing they do is corrupting, destroying, or bringing about the End Times?

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>>51407076
Plotting to corrupt,destroy, or bring about the End Times?

>>51407076
The whole point of Chaos is that its excess, focused to much on one thing.

It does things until it defeats itself or wears itself out.

>>51391685

Ok, let me rephrase that:

Zombies are inefficient against Skavenslaves, which are cheaper than zombies. Investing part of your magic phase to tarpit a skaven tarpit is not useful either, as not only is the skaven tarpit cheaper, is also cost-free in the other phases

>>51392739

Orion do not retains personality, or at least, the sacrifice's soul is so diluted by all the others that just a tiny part of it sometimes survives

>>51393416

DOOMWHEEL

>>51393416
Marauder Giant


My name is Krug

>>51407076
>Surely Chaos isn't so one dimensional

You're a funny guy.

>>51407076
Well, there was a comic with a Tzeentch daemon in a bottle granting monkey paw wishes. After screwing over the party it laughed at how pleb mortals still was after all this time and went back into the bottle.

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>>51407076
Sources of information or borrowed magical power. Weaker Slaaneshi daemons explicitly act as muses for artists.

>>51407076
>What are non-destructive type things Daemons can engage themselves in?
Slaanesh demons in sexy orgies
Nurgle demons in disgusting orgies
Tzeentch in playing chess.
Khorne... bathing in blood maybe?

>>51407953
proofs?

>>51407968
Tome of Corruption deals with muses. Multiple sources deal with people using daemons for their knowledge. Daemon weapons are explicitly 'daemon as a battery' ways of using daemons.

>>51399862
>castle on helmet
damn that's cool

>>51407076
>Surely Chaos isn't so one dimensional
it is.

>>51407076
>Surely Chaos isn't so one dimensional
More dimensional than dwarves for sure.

>>51408114
1 > 0

>>51389921

>nobody likes Sigmarines.

I don't think anyone would tell you liberators aren't complete ass, that the flying ones don't look fucking stupid with their huge bulk and flimsy wings, and let's not even mention hyperbuff full plate longbowmen.

And yeah, their fluff is stupid. Even divorced from the setting death issue, an entire horde of paladins is an inherently weak concept.

That said, going purely by models and asthetics, I kinda like the Retributors and the new scout dudes. The former for being the best take on the hulking burly golden knight concept, the latter for being slimmed down but detailed up, thus having some actual personality in the models.

>>51408411
don't forget the unhelmed human head, and that of an old dude, which finally gives them that einherjar vibe.

>>51408455

The pelts really help with that too.

>>51408411
Mu biggest issue is that the down syndrome masks that they all have doesn't jive with their bodies.

>>51408529

But anon, that's the FACE OF SIGMAR!

...I think one of the things I hate most about AoS is how much it's dragging Sigmar's good name through the mud. It's making it harder to like the real version of him.

>>51408690
how do we know he wasn't a faggot AoS is showing him to be? that Time of Legends trilogy may well be just imperial propaganda, and probably is.
praise ulric ok.

>>51408718
the time of legends is completely different from every record we have of sigmar in the fluff.

>>51408718
Shouldn't you be wrapping yourself in wolf pelts and holing at the moon?

>>51395463
The thing with the bridge and such is because Übersreik has a lot of dwarfs and contact with the dwarfs, and there's even a huge city wall that connects to keeps and such, much of it dwarf-built.

The figures in Sigmar's Heirs is notoriously off, and was originally based on old European figures rather than what would make sense in the Empire, but the main way to explain this is that the figures represent tax-paying heads of households.

This means that most nobles and a ton of wageslaves, not to mention the homeless, all the children (child mortality is high, but you can probably easily count 5-10 children per household), and so forth, are not accounted for.

It's also possible that this is only for the households within the city walls, which would inflate the numbers even more.

What way could I spice up a hunt for a beast that has been killing livestock and peasants?

>>51408904
>trying to be ironic
>implying there's anything wrong with pelts and howling
>gay dwarf-loving sigmarites thinking manliness is derogatory
bah

>>51408928
add actual spice
as in traces of spices on half-eaten carcasses and stuff
the beast will turn out to be crazed ogre butcher

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>>51408928
Turns out it's Man!

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>>51398467
Sylvania is technically a County within the Imperial Province and Grand County of Stirland, Sylvania bordering the Grand County of the Mootland and the mountain-dwarf-held World's Edge Mountain.

It also presumably borders several other unnamed Counties of Stirland.

I've always found it odd that it's called The Vampire Counts, because there's only really one Count of Sylvania at any given time.

But yeah, the Vampire Counts are de jure technically a part of The Empire of Sigmar, and should, again, technically, heed the call when the Emperor calls. But they also don't pay their taxes, so what can you expect? There's literally peasants in Sylvania that has no idea that they are part of some Empire.

It's funny that it's really just a county, which is probably also why they usually don't bother with it. The overwhelming force of the Empire in it's entirety would be able to completely crush Sylvania, yet it's painted up as being some kind of fair fight. It's like the Imperium and the Tau in 40k, really.

>>51408956
acting like a furry is degenerate.
Sigmar, not Slaanesh ok? Praise Sigmar

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>>51388203
>Silver Tower ain't bad.
:joy: :gun:

>>51409006
they ARE Counts, not simultaneous though. Vlad, Konrad and Mannnfred were all Counts at different points.

also it IS part of the Empire. except Empire is run by illegitimate usurper and thus neither he nor his equally illegitimate Elector Counts can claim any sovereignty over those who know the truth.

once Vlad von Carstein becomes the Emperor he deserves to be, Sylvania will be just like any other province in the Empire.

>>51409030
in fact he could be a cool character. Arthurian legends had saracene knights in England, so why can't there be an Arabian warrior priest, with similar story?

say, a nigga's bro was killed by some chaos cultist gangasta, so he chaced him all across Arabia, Border Princes and into the Empire. when finally cornered somewhere in Averland, the cultist summoned a daemon, and brave nigga would've die, had a local warrior priest intervened, banishing the daemon and dispelling the chaotic magics of the cultist, allowing the brave nigga smash cultist's skull.
then the nigga felt thankful, indebted for saving his life, and also curious about the faith that saved his life, and so became the Priest's acolyte and later a full-fledged Warrior Priest.

characters of Warhammer Quest ain't gotta be random generic dudes, they can be pretty special snowflakes.

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>>51407076
Depends on what you consider a daemon. There's an infinite number of forces within the Immaterium. Supernatural forces that are not malicious are generally not referred to as daemons, such as the "Divine Servants" of the Old Gods.

The issue is that even if daemons act non-destructively, their nature is usually inherently corruptive. Even a Slaaneshi muse that would have you become the greatest of artists is going to slowly corrupt you, because by it's very nature, it could practically consists of the concept of violinism par excellance.

As you become a better violinist, it will become stronger, because you're feeding that concept, but that thing you're feeding? That's all it is. That's all it wants you to do. Forever. And be the best. The best ever. And do nothing except ever excel in that one thing. Your wife? A fucking distraction. Your children? It'll fucking murder them for you so you can concentrate on your violin.

And then you suddenly find yourself in the gutter, snorting a burnt Stradivarius, and a constipation caused by the musical notes you anally consumed yesterday, with strings around your neck that tighten when you miss a note, having recruited Cultists of the Divine Violin that is forcing child prostitutes to dance for as long as the song continues, but you have to keep going because you're the fucking best and the muse told you so, and the ride never fucking ends.

>>51409030


FeelsAmazingMan :gun:

>>51409132
>trying to shill off nonsensical pandering this hard
Nigger what?

>>51409149
that... is awesome. that is what Chaos should've been...


instead Slaanesh is "combat daemon, just faster that God's of War combat daemons"

>>51407076
there is the nurgle carnival, but maybe is one of those things in disguise tho

>>51409060

Isn't Vlad some Nehekaran asshole who came in and put on a new identity?

>>51409224
Neferata's ex, no less. She's a bit miffed she got replaced with Isabella.

>>51409224
Vashanesh, Neferata's husband and one of the first and greatest vampires.

also one of the few vampires who's actually a decent and honourable person

also one of the very few Imperial nobles who's actually a decent and honourable person

>>51409006
The Empire can and has crushed Sylvania. The problem is the whole land is cursed, evil stuff just keeps coming back. And that's ignoring the fact each elector is independent and has their own military issues to deal with.

The vampires also tend to launch major attacks when the empire is distracted or splintered. Being dead their forces also have several logistical advantages.

>>51407076
There were Lawful, Good Neutral and Evil Daemons, but they were dropped after 3rd edition.

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>>51409177
That is what Chaos *was* before it started getting increasingly flanderized, especially in 40k, and became the only "true" threat of the entire world at all times, forever.

Tzeentch became just magic, magic, magic, primarily destructive and lolrandom, of course, Nurgle went from being as much life as he was death to being just another type of necromancy-like corruption, Khorne lost all aspects of honour and martial prowess, and became just rip & tear & nothing else, ever.

But Slaanesh probably suffered the most, to the point where they even ended up canning him in Age of Smegmar, because even GW had even forgotten that Slaanesh is about getting hung up on shit, about excess and pride, and perfection, any perfection, of anything, to the point where it would drive people insane.

Instead, all Slaanesh became was
>lol benis hahaha

>>51409201
I love that aspect of Nurgle, by the way. The Carnival of horrors, the ride that never ends, where everyone is friends forever and laughter is to be had. It really encapsulates the whole "nothing has to end, Anon, come be with us" that is the whole deal with Nurgle - the fear of things ending or changing. The loved one that departs, the childhood friends that grow up, or the loss of a job.

Let's play forever, anon. Just the two of us, here, at the carnival.

>>51409345
There still are, really, in the form of djinn and the spirits of Kislev.

>>51409365
Everything, even the fluff has been dumbed down to THERE IS ONLY WARRRRRRRRR levels, especially in 40k.


And the focus on special characters is corrosive, once they start doing well they become a never ending wankfest or as in Belakor's case "oh he did that thing, just noone knew about it"

How many armies do you guys have? I'm considering starting a new one, but am worried that'll be too many.

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What's a good name for a family-run halfling bakery from Altdorf?

>>51409868
Sweeney Todds Premium Pies

>>51409748
I have one. And in my situation that is too many. I was able to play maybe a dozen games with my ~$600 army. Now no local groups play fantasy. Every WHF general is a feels thread for me. Thinking of making a second so I could get my friends to play, but that would be the same game over, and over, and over.
Feels bad man.

>>51408718
I just disregard most of the stuff Black Linrary puts out about sig ificant figures in the fluff for the same reason I disregard the soap opera they turned the Horus Heresy into.

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>>51409868
Kleinknapps's

>>51387315
doesn't look insane enough
4/10

>>51409868
Shorty McDuffs Edilbe Stuffs.

>>51407746
Template spells also wipe out that tarpit. Followed by summoning more zombies.

>>51410498
>this man-thing think-thinks that is a loss

More-many where those-they came from

>>51409030
That's the sole good hero from it.

Scuttlings are fine too.

>>51409224
Pharoah, since he was Neferata's husband.

>>51409748
Like seven.

>>51410697
To join their kin as zombies.

>>51410725
>skavens die
>vampire raises zombies from dead skaven
>grey seer turns zombies into skaven with Dreaded 13th
>skavens die
>vampire...

a proper battle between a vampire and a grey seer would last 'till the end of the world.

>>51410725
You think-think a PUNY MAN-THING SORCERER could out-spell a mighty-magnificent grand-glorious GREY SEER?

>>51410768
>>51410853
Skaven have finite Warpstone, Vampires can use the life force of their kills to empower magic. Or at least Mannlet can.

Can't find anyone or any group for battles within 100 miles.
Fucking kill myself

>>51410969
By the time-time my warpstone is used-gone, you will be dead-dead!

>>51411031
where are you from?

>>51411083
United States. 217

>Hel Fenn
>literally Hell Fen with double letter on another word
seriously?

>>51411102
You're talking about a setting filled with places like "Tilea", "Araby" and "Reiksland". Too much creativity is not welcomed here.

>>51411123
true that

what if Empire was rules by Lord Vetinari?

>>51411160
>chaos worshippers are legit guilds, have to pay taxes and get special permissions for daemon summoning

>>51411102
Hel Fenn is right next to Vanhaldenschlosse, so I'm going to assume it's a corruption of 'Hal'. As in Frederick van Hal.
The spell is also called 'Vanhel's Danse Macabre' and that was probably his spell too, so there's precedent.

>>51411313
I just looked it up in the 5th edition Vampire Counts book, and he's called Frederick van Hel there.
Vanhaldenschlosse is still spelt with the 'a' though.

I wonder when they changed that.

>>51411123
I like it, the problem is GW acting like the setting is OMGSOORIGINAL.

>>51411313
>>51411504
Also, if we want to read way too far into it, the pre-imperial tribe that inhabited Sylvania were the Fennones. Their name survives in things like the Fennonhügel.
That's a reasonable origin for 'Fenn', but 'Hel Fenn' together like that doesn't make much sense.

>>51411584
This is really part of the problem. Warhammer Fantasy is supposed to be ironically unoriginal. Originality for the sake of originality is shit. The fact that Warhammer Fantasy isn't original is part of why it is.

>>51411823
Yeah.

It started as a war simulator for D&D using D&D minis, then mixed in real life history and Moorcock.

You have to stay true to that for it to work.

>>51411823
Wow, someone got it.

>>51411854
Honestly, the less more cock, the better. The guy is far less intelligent than he thinks he is and his fans are worse.

Has anybody ever used the mini-encounter from River Life of the Empire?

"The Maria Borger, A Vampire Story."

The adventurers come across a slow-moving riverboat which has recently taken on new cargo and has two of its four hands taken ill. It's new cargo, if opened, are two coffins bound for a funeral. In reality, it's a vampire who's been making clandestine night meetings to sap the crew as they oh-so-slowly ship him off to greener pastures. The encounter allows the players (who are expected to be noobs on their first career) to just dump the creature in the water, bury it, stake it, etc as they find the riverboat during the day.

Is this anticlimactic?

>>51412456
What book is that in, and can you give me a page?

The tweest I would suggest is to have the vamp be a strig, and some of the deckhands be strigany, to give them something to try and stop them or kill them if they play stupid.

>>51409132
And even in WFB, the head of some college of magic was actually from Araby, so it's not as if it's a new thing to have some foreigners.

Its not really a bad thing, or a bad paintjob for the model. It just looks like pandering instead of really trying to make a unique character from the Southlands or something. If it is, that's shitty. If it's not, people are still going to think it is anyway.

>>51412556
It's the "River Life of the Empire" supplement to The Enemy Within 3. The adventurers meat Bernhardt Dampfer, a river boatman who's been tricked into transporting the coffin of Graf Orlok, the vampire.

>>51412625
>>51412556
Page 6 of River Life

>>51412325
Moorcock is inseperable from Fantasy though, there's more Elrics than any other trope and GW Chaos is unbalanced badly with the parts of his they stripped out.

I'm not saying revere it, but if you are going to play it at all you have to play it straight.

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>>51412605

That's the thing about the Colleges of Magic, they aren't just schools for wizards, they are one of the Wonders of the Old World.

Jade wizards are actually considered sacred because the work they put into improving farms and livestock was seen by the peasants as miracles. Gold wizards invented chemistry by 2350 and have made thousands of new materials for the Empire. The Celestial wizards literally see the future, just to name a few examples. While they serve critical roles on the battlefield, the support they provide to imperial infrastructure is immeasurable.

So they take whoever comes. Those Kislev nobles that can afford to send their magic-affiliated children to the Empire, do. Because the ice witches will kill magic-sensitive boys. Same in Bretonnia, and Bretonnians will send their children if they catch it early enough, before they get kidnapped. A Tilean diplomat talks about wanting a single college to set up shop in Tilea so much he would kill to do it. The colleges themselves are in contact with Cathay and communication allows the two empires to avoid stepping on each other's toes, and arrange diplomatic meetings should the need arise.

>>51409868
Rogge und Korn

>>51412605
>>51413144
Where do I see the heads of various colleges?

>>51413422

It changes pretty regularly, idk if they are ever listed for the current age.

The few we know:
Gold - Balthasar Gelt, also the Supreme Patriarch
Bright - Thyrus Gorman, previous Supreme Patriarch
Amber - Gergor Martak, we know he was the Supreme Patriarch after Gelt, during the End Times. Since the head of the Amber college is appointed for life, he probably was the head prior to the End Times.

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I probably wouldn't be losing the arms race between me and my brother if I weren't so autistic to spend an hour to over design a "custom" dwarf with a wheelbarrow while he finishes another box of halberds...

>>51410969

It's known that no Seer worth its salt has finite warpstone. At the very worst he'll eat a cannon

>>51391407
Plz do something about the bases.

>>51413570
Amethyst was Elspeth von Draken.

>>51414165
Nice! Used the Miner's kit?

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Would Ynnead work in Fantasy? What factions would help create him? Why?

>>51414961
You could probably turn it into a Keeper of Secret or a Daemon Prince.

For anybody who's run Enemy Within 3, why does Etelka Herzen go to Dagmar's Signal Tower?

She goes to Barren Hills, doesn't find the meteorite, realizes it's long gone... and then goes to the Signal Tower (where she challenges the adventurers). What's going on here?

(Also, for when the adventurers meet Etelka (and her henchman, Ernst), is it really just the adventurers vs. two wizards? or do they have thugs? muscle?)

>>51415038
I mean the character, not the kit. The kit is shit, I can't imagine spending earned money on that.

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>>51414845
>Nice! Used the Miner's kit?

Thanks.

Its 80% Dwarf Canon parts, 20% Dwarf Warrior parts.

There was a barebone wheelbarrow included in the box but no arms for a Dwarf to hold it, so I took some leftover arms from another box and removed the weapons and filed them a bit and then I glued it all together on a 2X square which I also had to niggerrig together. The shells are from 3 Canon boxes since you only get one per box.

I like the result but as always with custom stuff, there is room for improvements that you cant really do anything about now (post glue sculpting takes to much time).

>>51412605
If it was a wizard, I could shrug it off easier. But that's a bonafide Warrior Priest of Sigmar, a deity only known and only practiced in The Empire, and likely practically unknown outside of The Empire and it's closest neighbors.

Not that it matters much, it's all Smegmar shit anyway, it's just frustrating to see how retarded Smegmar actually is. It's like the ride never ends. It's the rabbit-hole of awful. It's the cancer that just keeps coming back.

>>51415062
>She goes to Barren Hills, doesn't find the meteorite, realizes it's long gone... and then goes to the Signal Tower (where she challenges the adventurers). What's going on here?
Yeah, it's a bit weird. The only thing I can find is that the map on the dead horse they discover as they're sailing up the Stir has Dagmar's Observatory marked on it. So she knows where it is. Maybe if she finds it missing from the Barren Hills she assumes (rightly) that Dagmar got there first and goes to investigate.

>(Also, for when the adventurers meet Etelka (and her henchman, Ernst), is it really just the adventurers vs. two wizards? or do they have thugs? muscle?)
Ernst's entry states that he'll hire thugs if he can.

>>51413144
I'm not sure I'd agree that Jade Wizards are considered *sacred*, but other than that, I think that's some really solid points on just how major the Colleges are, and that although magic is rare in the Empire, it's even more rare elsewhere. The Colleges represent one of the extremely few places in the entire world that produces relatively "safe" magic-users, and does so consistently and with directed intent, producing dedicated specialists.

>>51415089
Sure, there are already death gods in Warhammer.

>>51415594
A group of six adventurers on their first career and on their way to their second... How many thugs you reckon would help?

In addition -- do you think an encounter with a River Troll would be too much for them? There's only one of them with a combat career (I made them roll careers randomly) and an apprentice wizard.

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>>51394134
I have it, but I have a few criticisms.

Everything has a needless level of complexity and there's way too much jargon going on. Wound tracking, corruption tracking, alignment tracking etc. Secondly, there's nothing that really distinguishes the individual careers from each other. Everyone in a military career gets the same starting equipment, and it's the same deal for every other career. Thirdly, it tries so fucking hard to be edgy and grim that it hurts, as in, I suffered physical pain in my temporal lobe reading some of the objectively cringe-worthy item descriptions and the fluff piece in the front of the book.

Despite all this, I think it's a decent step in the right direction, but a lot of fat needs to be trimmed.

>>51415540
Well, presumably the survivors from the Warhammer World got all mixed up in the aftermath, so there's no Southlanders as such any more, just people from Sigmartown on Planet Sigmar.

That said, it's strange that some regional god from a specific nation-state became chief god of humanity.
Like some Dragon-Emperor-worshipping Cathayans open a portal and flee the apocalypse only to discover that actually, nah, the real god is some godforsaken fur-wearing barbarian you've never heard of. Not even like a personification of nature, but an honest-to-god bearded savage with a blunt instrument given to him by midgets.

>>51415714
The nature of deities in Warhammer is such that their nature and power changes depending on the nature and number of their worshipers.

Sigmar's place as the pre-eminent god of humanity speaks to the sheer amount of faith in the Empire. Especially given that we know Cathay was more populated.

>>51415685
I am notoriously bad at judging these things. I'd probably use five thugs just so the bad guys outnumber the pcs by one.

A troll could go either way. 6 of them is a big advantage, but if anyone gets into melee they might be in for a rough time. Frightening is also a great leveller.
But if they have access to fire (what decent character doesn't?) and figure out a good way to exploit the troll's stupidity it might be a curbstomp.

>>51415843
None of them have access to fire, at the moment, except the dwarf having a lamp pole. The wizard's apprentice only has petty magic. They're dumb noobs who are excited to trade, one of whom REFUSES TO FIGHT.

In the fight to take over the abandoned boat, he stayed back on the Berebeli to "keep watch" and because he's "not a fighter." Meanwhile, wearing chainmail and a sword. "It's for my own protection."

When they find all the wool on the riverboat, he immediately takes ownership and says he'll act as the broker and sell it in Altdorf for sixty percent. Fucker didn't even fight for it.

>>51415714
The cosmogy makes no sense.

So the darkness of the Warp consumed the world in blackness, and in the Warpy time without time forever/one second the survivors fought Daemons. Sigmar floated alone sitting on the Elf life tree until he saw a speck of light which he claimed, it was the core of the old planet which he named after himself and gave to a hermaphrodite dragon made of stars in exchange for helping him create anew world.

In the meantime, the blackness receded and every Wind of Magic had become a material plane of non-Euclidean nature that is infinite after merging with the shattered fragments of the planet. Each is a different reality, linked only by miniature teleporters that Sigmar built as he and star Falkor visited them. The Incarnates became gods (plus Morathi and anyone Nagash felt like resurrecting) and woke up in the planes they are tied to, along with primitives descended from survivors of the old setting who adapted to the dimensions. The Chaos Gods meanwhile had decided to retreat back to the part of the Warp that was still the Warp to play with other universes other than Slaanesh who fell asleep in a cave on the material plane.

Sigmar gathered the gods and one woman who doesn't cast shadows, and created a city named after himself in the dimension of Light then went about creating civilizations on every plane of existence until the three Chaos Gods and Archaon decided to check on the leftover fragments and saw how much shit happened then attacked. The gods betrayed Sigmar and Chaos took over the infinite planes, while Slaanesh lost Chaos Godhood to Horned Rat while Archaon became the Chaos God of Chaos Undivided. Also Slann turned the clouds of Sigmar City into Lustria 2 without him knowing it and became omnipotent except when they aren't.

Its like Warhammer: Axe Cop. None of it makes sense.

>>51415714
>>51415767
No, it only speaks of what fucking nonsense Smegmar is and how it makes no sense in the context of the Warhammer Fantasy setting.

>>51415540
There's Sudenberg. If nothing else, I think Sigmar's worship is more common outside of the Empire than the Lady.

>>51415957
Sigmar was the supreme human deity for End Times/Age of Sigmar. Ulric was clearly less powerful and acted less in the world -- and the rest of the northern and southern pantheons were even weaker than him. The only comparable god was the Lady of the Lake (who was often rumored to an aspect of Khorne or an elven deity).

>>51415949
To be fair, mythology doesn't usually make sense.
But it should probably be internally consistent at least.

>>51415995
Again, that makes no fucking sense whatsoever in the context of the real Warhammer fantasy setting. This is exactly why End Times/Age of Shillmar constitutes a separate setting, with it's own assumptions and concepts, completely different from Warhammer Fantasy.

>>51416010
I can't really think of a mythology that makes less sense.

>>51415988
Still uncommon as hell. Sigmar is not even worshipped in the neighboring states, let alone known beyond that.

>>51415995
End Times had a bunch of weird points about theology, I feel.

Rhya was suddenly dropped as Taal's wife in favor of Shallya, which makes little sense - she's supposed to be the daughter of Morr, and I'm pretty sure Morr and Taal are siblings or something. And Taal was somehow the strongest of the pantheon instead of Ulfric. I'm not saying that Taal has no warlike capabilities, but he is not a warrior god.

Then there was a death god still in Nekhara - which sort of makes sense because of their focus on death, but I'd always assumed he was simply what we now call Morr, not his own deity.

>>51416131
They skipped the Nehekharan gods almost entirely.

Also, what the hell was up with Valaya?

>>51416131
Shallya being Taal's wife is the most bizarre thing because it not only goes against all the previous background but goes against the basic concept of the Taal/Rhya duality.
Taal is the masculine god of the untamed wilderness and Rhya is the feminine goddess of the rural and agricultural. And they're both about fertility.
The two are so intertwined that the WFRP books list them and their cults together. Tome of Salvation also says that they were originally worshipped as a single entity known as Ishnernos.

Taal being the king of the gods is consistent though. The whole story behind Middenheim, for example, is Ulric being jealous of Taal's command of all nature, so Taal allows him a place of his own. So he finds a mountain and flattens the top with his fist (hence 'Fauschlag').