A moment of Silence for Cadia and 40k Times of Ending

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>>51375735
Fuck Cadia.

>>51376514
/thread

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>>51375735

40k isant ending

Although I checked the 40k general and its taking more bait then ever

>>51375735
How many billions of guardsmen were on cadia?

>>51375735
F

>>51376548

Well its the 40k general

Half of the posts arent even 40k bait

>>51376576
A value less than the flashlights lost.

>>51376548
>40k isant ending
Yeah sure.

No worries friend, we still have Attila and Catachan.

>>51376576
850 million were on Cadia. 2 million survived.

>>51379235
How did this happen?

>>51376576
At least it wasn't that planet that had more guardsmen then there were particles in the known universe

>>51375735
dammit I thought this was a Dragonball thread when scrolling past

>>51379830
Because the Imperium doesn't give a shit about the lives of its people and just left them there to die.

>>51379992
Isn't it important to protect Cadia?

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>>51379893
Here you go

>>51380023
Old armless had already destroyed the pylons that made it special, so the Imperium saw no more reason to defend Cadia and abandoned it.

To ruin the liars and shitposters:
Cadia was destroyed by being hit with pieces of the ruined Blackstone Fortress, most of which were the size of small moons.
The impacts shattered the planet.
Rescue operations were cut because the Imperial fleet didn't have the numbers or firepower to make planetside pickups and hold off the Black Fleet.
Everything else other than this is a lie.

>>51376548
>40k isant ending
prepare your anus for age of shitmar IN SPACE.
You may as well start rolling for anal cirmcurfance before space skaven eat galaxy

Will the Imperium attempt to cover up the fall of Cadia?

I CRY EVRY TIEME !!!!

>>51380146
On the other hand... maybe we'll actually be able to use our minis for something besides Kill Team?

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No one cares.

>>51380153
They cannot cover up the expanding Eye. It will grow bigger in the skies of every world in the galaxy.

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>>51380047
>Old armless had already destroyed the pylons
Now how did that happen on the very definition of a "fortress world" in the imperium of mankind?

>>51380153
>cover up
what are y talking about, citizen?
why would we need to cover up such a glorious victory?
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/01/18/cadia-another-imperial-victory/

>>51375735
40k has always been the Time of Ending.

>>51375735
I didn't read the new lore.

Why did the Eldar help retreating the survivors?
A future favor exchange, maybe?!...

>>51380829
So they can team up with the Imperials in Warhammer 40,000: Age of the Emperor™

>>51375735
Ok. Since I can't afford to drop $50 on a book for a game I can't afford to play anymore just to see where they are taking the lore, would someone please enlighten me on what the fuck is going on with The Gathering Storm?

>>51380893
>So they can team up with the Imperials in Warhammer 40,000: Age of the Emperor™
YES

>>51380978
It's in the links in the general, you lazy fuck. Too poor to afford bandwidth too?

>>51381391
I checked that you fuckwaffle.

>>51381740
No, you didn't.

>>51381807
Oooh there it is. I was in the wrong link. Thank you.

>>51380282
Blackstone fortress. It got destroyed in the process because the Phalanx was able to instantly teleport in from Segmentum Solar right on top of it and blast it, but before it went down it was able to clear the way for Abaddon's forces to destroy the last of the pylons.

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>>51375735
A shit tier novel and GW should feel bad for commissioning it.

>>51381999
I can't find it in the Mega. Where did you see it?

>>51382196
It's in the first mega link under the PDFs section, the Datasheets and Supplements section.

>>51382127

but FoC was awesome.

>>51382084
Wait, is this the same Phalanx that's currently the battlefield for Warsmith wossname + Be'lakor the liar vs IF 3rd company + Legion of the Badasses?

>>51383067
The premise was awesome, the execution and details thereof were absolutely garbage and were riddled with either subtle inconsistency with the theme of the individual faction's mechanics/history, stuff that only barely made sense by a stretch of the imagination, Topknot being incompetent again and a lot of plot that felt like it advanced because plot.

>>51383136
>Topknot being incompetent again

What? He won. He just indulged his pride while covering all the bases just in case something happened.

>>51383206
>He won.
Only through one of the biggest asspulls in GW fiction, turning off the Warp affecting Imperium more than Chaos.

>>51383206
He did win, yes, and as a commander that's decent enough, but he had plenty of opportunities to do better that he didn't take and got wrecked by some characters he had the chance to kill because he was basically at monologue levels of hubris.

>>51375735

who wrote the supplement?

Is that /tactical genius/ alive?

>>51383248
He won before that. He had set up the Black Stone Fortress so it's rubble would crash into Cadia with exterminatus level force. The ground war was just for the lolz. The imperials lost before boots hit the ground.

>>51383411
He got added to Trazyn's collection, so he'll pop up at the last minute to save the day.

>>51383421
Yeah sure anon, Abaddabadoo had it Just As Planned all along, hence why he started wandering about the planet he had set to blow up.
Oh, and don't forget how he can teleport without the warp too, guess Celestine just didn't believe in herself hard enough.

>>51383411
He got pokeballed, after doing nothing that was even remotely tactical genius-y.
That was more disappointing than anything else in that book.

>>51383628
I'm still waiting for """"""Cadia""""""" to be revealed to be Stubb's 100 baneblades.

>>51383248
Are you an retard? A serious question. You fuvk didn't even read the book. The Pylons working is what allowed the Imperium to win on the ground, not the other way around.

>>51383461
>Yeah sure anon, Abaddabadoo had it Just As Planned all along, hence why he started wandering about the planet he had set to blow up.

He did out of pride. Just one last battle before he blew up the planet.

You would have known that if you read the book.

>Oh, and don't forget how he can teleport without the warp too, guess Celestine just didn't believe in herself hard enough.

The Pylons did not cut off the Warp completely. The text says that there was a small but closing window to the warp in the planet. That's why some daemons and psykers managed to retain their conntection to the Warp in the battle.

This is all in the text that you somehow didn't read. Moron. GET OUT.

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>>51380325
How the fuck are the Heretics ever going to recover?

>>51383665
You seem pretty mad anon, is it because your favourite character can never win without the entire plot bending over backwards for him?

>>51383261
>but he had plenty of opportunities to do better

Like what? Specify.

>got wrecked by some characters he had the chance to kill because he was basically at monologue levels of hubris.

He tried to kill Celestine on the spot but was blinded and paralzed by Grayfax's mental assault.

He grabbed Creed and said the total of two sentences to him before attempting to crush the life out of him. That's not a monologue.

From the Pylon working to the Grayfax being there and actually helping was Trazyn's doing. Utterly unforeseen.

>>51383724
I am mad at a cunt spreading lies. We have enough of that already here. It's simple thing to stick to the facts.

How could you be so wrong? How can you say that Abaddon won because of the pylons? This is utter fiction of a fiction. KYS now.

>>51383763
Oh poor anon, maybe when GW kills 40k's popularity by expecting everyone to like Abaddon you'll find a new game and won't pick the worst, shittiest faction to shill for.

>>51383804
I don't care what you like.

It's not about like or dislike. It's about you lying over here. What's your excuse?

So what did the Space Wolves do? Or the Bangels? The Templars? UM honour company? Or half of the Fists?

Also, how are the Bangels simultaneously defending Baal and Cadia?

>>51379235
Sounds about the average survival rate for Cadians

>>51383827
I'm having Fun.

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>>51383461
He muses on that fact.
He says how he worries that he is making the same mistake as Horus by committing to the ground assault for personal pride.
Turns out he was right, maybe if were lucky that will be his arc, learning not to go face to face with foes he's already beaten for personal reasons.

>>51383724
>Loses a personal fight to pride.
>Suceeds overall goal due to preparation and foresight?
Thats not the plot bending over backwards.

I'd rather have Age of Sigmar with the General's Handbook in space, because as dumb and simple as it is, it's still better than the mess 40K 7E is.

40K might be playable if we banned all the shit that got introduced in 6E and 7E like allies, fortifications, superheavies/GCs, multiple detachments, flyers, psychic phase, etc.

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>>51383732
Not lose a Black Stone Fortress?
Thats a huge fucking loss.
He could have wiped out Cadia and not risked his ground forces as much. He let pride get the best of him and he got stabbed for it.

>>51383079
This is immediately after that battle. The Imperial Fists and Legion of the Damned won that battle, then immediately teleported the Phalanx to the upper atmosphere of Cadia to fight Abaddon.

>>51384410
Did Be'lakor recieved an Imperial Fisting?

>>51384409
Another guy who didn't read the book. The Blackstone Fortress fired at the Cadia in attempt to destroy the planet with its Warp beam. The Null Array shield (Thanks to Trazyn's help) nullified the beam and protected Cadia. This necessitated ground forces to land on Cadia to shut down the Null array.

Then another unforeseen event happened when the Phalanx appeared above Cadia (due to Be'lakor's failure) and destroyed the Blackstone Fortress.

Now can you be less of an idiot and read the story?

>>51384448
The Chaos Gods, for some reason, refused to help Be'lakor and barred any daemon, that aren't already slaved to Be'lakor, from manifesting into the Phalanx to help out Be'lakor.

Be'lakor thinking that the Chaos Gods and their legions will help him out now that the Phalanx is in the Warp, used up his forces in suicide rushes. He quickly realized that folly when no daemon came from to help him out and no divine aid came his way. He was abandoned. The Firstborn of the Gods was forsaken. The Imperial Fists and Legion of the Damned wiped out the last of Be'lakor's daemons and the IF captain rent Be'lakor's body with his power fist forcing Be'lakor to escape into the Warp.

>>51375735
So the guard finaly broke.

>>51384978
Did anybody ever cap that planet broke before the guard did post.

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>>51384978
>So Cadia broke
FIFY, heretic.

>>51385127
See
>>51385146

>>51385146
They would have avoided this if Cadia was a planet made of guardsmen

>>51385995
Like Schindlegeist IV?

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>>51375735
>YFW the crons build a whole new pylon and park it right next to the eye of terror

>>51384406
>allies
>fortifications
These are fine
>superheavies/GCs
I think it would be interesting if Superheavies could only damage other superheavies, that way you could have titans slugging it out in the background but it won't affect Herohammer, or your infantry.
>multiple detachments
This is not fine, though I like how some people homebrewed it so that instead of two detachments at 2000, you had to put AT LEAST 2000 point in one detachment before starting a second.
>flyers, psychic phase
I don't mind them, but I can see why others do.

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>>51383387
>Stragetic retrograde advance
FUCKING HELL

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>>51385146
AVE IMPERATOR

>>51384410
How the fuck did they do that ad didn't get blown to bits with warp-exit collapsing and crushing their ship? The only two factions that ever pulled in-system Warp exit are TS (who can control the currents of Warp and have a god that controls the Warp Stoerms on their side) and Orks (who think 75% loses are acceptable).

>>51379235
There're now two million more badasses in the galaxy.

>>51391105
Luck, warp shenanigans, the Legion of the Damned chilling on board, take your pick.

Also because it's the goddamn Phalanx and is an archeotech item in its own right.

>>51389961

I think the issue with Flyers/Psychic Phase is that not every army can interact with them equally.

On one hand: Space marines have custom fliers in-faction and powerful psykers.
On the other: The Sisters of Battle have neither fliers in-faction nor psykers.

I think a better thing than a psychic phase would have been an Orders Phase or some other more neutral term. So Psykers can throw powers, Necrons can Assume Direct Control and Sisters can fall on Faith all in the same phase.

>>51391311

Don't forget 'St Celestine being a beacon for imperials in the warp'. She turned up with SOB lost for thousands of years as a result of that.

>>51375735
Wow it's literally nothing.

Cadia's destruction will mean exactly jackshit in the long term.

>>51383136
Sounds like every other bit of 40k fluff, and you're complaining now?

>>51391534
>Cadia's destruction allows the Crimson Path to be a possibility
>a heretofore impossible idea is now possible, but that's nothing

>>51378962
Also Necromunda. You can even use the Cadian miniatures for them - you just paint them Black and Grey instead of Green and Tan.

Chaos in FoC are like the new Tau fluff

Chaos has a bubble of stupidity that affects non chaos. Just like when the Imperium goes mentally retarded when facing Tau

Looking at you Pask, I'll never use baneblandes... goes and rides a baneblade

Chaos and Tau have several layers of plot armour

You see kids, Cadians ARE the Imperial Guards in terms of miniatures. Problem is, they look too generic for GW to enforce their IP. So out with Cadians and something special snowflake looking with retarded faux-latin name will replace them soon enough.

>>51375735
I thought you'd be happy the plot progressed at all.

>>51391881
Why? 40k is a setting.

Let's the setting is WWII if the "plot moves" you could end WWII and killing the setting.

Not exactly the same thing but moving the "plot" around is killing the setting.

A lot of shit can happen in 40k as it is.

Not sure if I explained my self.

>>51391687
Nope, the Imperials weren't portrayed as idiots and they had plenty of elements stacked n their favour. They lost because Abaddon outwitted them with something they could never possibly have imagined.

>>51376514
Fpbp

>>51392025
Explain.

Right now Imperium losing the battles in Cadia is nothing but plot armour.

Hell Imperium losing Space battles against chaos. You know Chaos have less, shittier and less capable fleets than the Imperium.

Battles in Space and ground in Cadia being lost by the Imperium against chaos is only possible by plot armour.

So please explain

>>51392106
>You know Chaos have less, shittier and less capable fleets than the Imperium.

Source?

The Black Fleet was assembled in a period of 10K years. Made up and built by all the Legions of Chaos including some daemonic help.

In the Gothic War the Chaos fleet proved itself the superior to the Imperial fleet until the Eldar arrived.

>Explain.

-The Null Array which Trazyn fixed up which prevented Cadia from being one shotted by the Blackstone
-Celestine out of nowhere
-Trazyn turning the side of the war with his collection. Literally stopping the Cadians from being overwhelmed
-Trazyn helping Cawl turn on the Pylons
-Grayfax out of nowhere blinding Abaddon preventing him from killing Celestine

So on and so forth. Even after event came in in favor of the Imperium. That' plot armor.

>>51391845
STEEL LEGION STANDARD GUARDSMEN MINIS WHEN?

>>51392218
>Celestine out of nowhere

That's kinda her MO. I'd not really call 'Regular source of divine intervention doing exactly that' plot armour.

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>>51392244
Vostroyans, son. I'd give my left tit for those guys, with their wooden flamers and silly hats to be the standard face of the Guard.

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>>51392305
>Vostroyans
No, Necromundan Spiders.

>>51392218
Gothic war was special because it was impossible for chaos to have a fleet that big in that area of space

The imperial navy was outgun and outnumber and still hold the line.


Again. The black stone could not touch Cadia with the Imperial fleet in place.

Suddenly the fleet in Cadia was gone.

So the plot Necron was use to defend against the chaos plot armour.

FoC was Imperium missing and losing shit with no explanation.

The most defended position in the Imperium crawling with battle harden and used to fight chaos shit. Suddenly incompetente and missing stuff.
Needing asspulls to defend against asspulls

I wanted a chaos victory not this Tau victory for chaos

>>51392431
>Gothic war was special because it was impossible for chaos to have a fleet that big in that area of space

It isn't. It's practically the same scenario in the Cadian sector except the fact this time the Chaos reinforcements kept coming.

>The imperial navy was outgun and outnumber and still hold the line.

They got outmanoeuvred for nearly the whole duration of the conflict. Abaddon ran all over place and made the Gothic sector his bitch.

And it isn't the first time a Chaos fleet completely dominated a sector. Abaddon in one of his Black Crusade spent 17 years owning the Imperial fleets and ravaging an Imperial sector.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/9th_Black_Crusade

>Again. The black stone could not touch Cadia with the Imperial fleet in place.

Except the fleet was overwhelmed the amount of traitor vessels storming towards Cadia from the Eye.

I see no source for your stuff about he Chaos fleets.

>Suddenly the fleet in Cadia was gone.

They weren't gone. If you read the book, then you would know that they were crippled and stayed at Cadia's orbit to act as defences against the invading Black Fleet.

Then the Blackstone arrived and pretty much sealed the deal on who controls Cadia's orbit.

>The most defended position in the Imperium crawling with battle harden and used to fight chaos shit. Suddenly incompetente and missing stuff.

Just words with no proof behind them.

>>51392606
Ok you are just trolling.

Gothic war was the equivalent of Syria pulling a US size navy over Hawaii.

Still the Imperium defended.

Also did you just imply that Cadia is not one of the most defended planets in the Imperium?

Top fucking kek


Keep your Tau plot armour honey

>>51392305
Hairy tit, sexy tit, or hairy sexy tit?

>>51392952
>Gothic war was the equivalent of Syria pulling a US size navy over Hawaii.

Which is the same in Cadia. They were facing the largest Chaos invasion in history. Larger than even the HH.

>>51390520
That means retreat, right?

>>51393440
>Larger than HH

Fucking how?

>advancing the story

Honestly why though

>>51393814
More daemons and shit. Horus Heresy isn't actually that big an incursion relative to how big Chaos is. It's like how the Space Marines aren't actually as significant a head on force as the masses and masses of IG.

>>51394060
I do not know half of the marines legions.

Pretty hard to do that again specially with no stable source of marines, beside stealing geneseeds from loyalist.

Some how Chaos has more marines and man power than the Imperium.

I know that is not true but that is how it sounds

>>51380325
>several regiments were lost in the strategic retrograde-advance

tippity top kek

Shit got Blacked Legioned.

>>51391507

Sisters do have flyers, they just belong to the Imperial Navy and thus are only available from FW.

The solution for the armies who don't have psykers would to possibly be taking a page from AoS where armies without wizards still have priests and anti-wizard units.

>>51391845

Cadians can stick around due to them being in other places besides Cadia and the fact that the lore says that plenty of planets use Cadian equipment as a template.

>>51392007

Settings can advance and I think the only people who believe otherwise only know of 40k and Fantasy where the only reason advancement hadn't occurred was because of the writers putting themselves in a corner by having the latest events being the end of all things. Thus they had to either stagnate, go through with what they wrote, come up with a bad reason why it's suddenly not the end of all things, or retcon.

The difference between 40k and WWII is that WWII has a set beginning and end, 40k does not have a set end. 40k can easily advance a little more before stopping again, using the excuse that a stalemate basically exists between the alliance of the Imperium and Eldar and the 13th Black Crusade. Perhaps could say that the latter is technically winning but it's a struggle for every inch of ground due to the aforementioned alliance and interference from Orks and Tyranids.

>>51394049

Probably because being stuck in a stasis where you can do nothing but write about this is the end and endless retread the possibilities that could happen gets boring. The GW Design Studio also seemingly doesn't have it within itself to do self-contained campaigns like you find in Imperial Armor nor perhaps a desire to examine events that have taken place in the past.

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>>51392354
Old guardsmen best guardsmen.
>Tight pants
>Reasonable pauldrons
>Rad haircuts

That guardsman in the foreground has the same face as the lelf.

>>51394790
They look like manlets, though.

>remove planet with basic guardsman model
>remove basic guardsman model for Age Of Emperor

checks out

>>51375735
>reminder that Abaddon couldn't win on the ground so had to blow it from orbit.

>>51394973
>Reminder that even though you got the answer on the test right you didn't show your work so you still failed

That's how you sound

>>51379992
no they didn't, there was an evacuation

>>51380047
Abaddon destroyed most of the planet by crashing the Blackstone Fortess wreckage into it.

>>51380103
This.
It helps to actually read the fluff you're talking about guys

>>51383628
What? Most of the book before Celestine turns up is about how Creed is the only one holding the Imperial together

>>51383841
Wolves and Templars are bothe featured quite a bit, and the Fists blow up the last Blackstone Fortress with the Phalanx.

Bangles and UM are mentioned as being there, but thats it, although Trayzn releases a bunch of 30k Ultramarines during the final battle

>>51395005
No need to get butthurt becase Abaddon couldn't win the ground war. Its okay anon, its just a game at the end of the day.

>>51395098
Actually, Abaddon was winning on the ground. Trazyn slowed him down and the Pylons allowed the Imperials to win. Without Trazyn, The Imperials would have lost much sooner.

>>51395205
But Trayzn was there.

Abaddon got shanked and had to retreat, the pylons meant that that was his last chance to teleport away, but they also helped him by depowering Celestine and making the imps loose faith.

basically Imps won on the ground, but Abaddon won strategically and in space. Classic GW 'both sides win but also lose', can't upset people too much after all.

>>51382127

It was a novel?

>>51395278
Abaddon winning the space battle was insulting. Hell winning anything was much of an asspulls that it cheapen everything Chaos did.

Most defended system after Sol. Some how crumbles like cookies. Only held together by Creed and Celestine love juices... the Fuck?

>>51395408
had to happen because otherwise the story is over before it began.

Its not like the fleet disappeared or was wiped by warp fuckery at least. Just ground down by a huge naval battle.

>>51395278
>But Trayzn was there.

On a whim.

>Abaddon got shanked and had to retreat, the pylons meant that that was his last chance to teleport away, but they also helped him by depowering Celestine and making the imps loose faith.

I am sick of people not reading the book. The Pylons suddenly working fucked over the Chaos forces and forced Abaddon to withdraw since if he stayed any longer he would crashed when the Blackstone fortress came down.

>>51394866
That's because GW cannot into proportions.

>>51394968
Necromunda still stands, even if Cadia does not. You use the same models, you just paint them Black and Grey instead of Green and Tan.

>>51395513
>Necromunda still stands

Right in the path of the Crimson....Path. It's gonna die.

>>51395503
I did read the book.

The pylons fucked over both sides, but the balck legion were 'encouraged' by Celestine and the imps losing their faith powers (which yes, I think is bullshit, CSM should be more fucked over).

And Abaddon withdraws after being shanked, he doesn't crash the Blackstone until he's back on his ship.

>>51395537
>implying that Chaos will be able to do anything to a world ruled by Kal Jericho, Former Bounty Hunter
>implying that Chaos won't be scourged and purged by the Redeemer

>>51395441
Again chaos fleets are shit.

Even during the Gothic war, when chaos had the element of surprise, more ships and guns than the Imperial navy. The navy stop him long enough for Eldar help and reinforcements to arrive.

Chaos fleet are shit even when having bigger numbers.

The Imperial Navy has excellent ships, moral, numbers, logistic, tactics and strategy.
Might be slow to respond but that's it.

Unless they fight Tau, for some reason the Imperium forces go full retard when facing Tau. Even named characters known for never going full retard. Do that when facing tau

>>51395583
While crunch-wise in BFG Imperials are better than Chaos, fluff wise they're roughly equal.

Also the navy doesn't always have great strategy, plenty of captains and admirals in the fluff are foolish or overcompetant aristocrats.

Also how did Imperials go full retard in FoC? They come off pretty well, especially Creed.

>>51395555
>I did read the book.

Lies.

>The pylons fucked over both sides

The Chaos side more so than Imperials since their daemonic army was evaporating and they were losing their powers. Only the Black Legion were boosted in morale. The rest of the wrabands and legions weren't.

>And Abaddon withdraws after being shanked,

Nope, read it again. Abaddon wanted to stay and finish off Celestine but he was running out of time and the warp was closing.

>>51395583
Here we go again. The Imperial fleet in the Gothic sector stopped nothing. Abaddon joy ride all over the place.

>>51395798
Re-read the book, the legion of the dammed disappear, Celestine's light dims, 'faith and valor fade', the Black Legion, who are the only CSM mentioned in the final showdown, 'take strength' from seeing the emperor's light fade and "The battle for the nodal cavern shifted" in Abaddon's favor.

Abaddon's withdrawal is really inconsistent to be honest, he and his guys teleport out as its the lats chance, but then it talks about other chaos forces being picked up by Thunderhawks. It seems a bit of a plot hole that he couldn't hang around and just by dropship rather than teleport.

bad writing desu

>>51375735
So the galaxy is fucked now right? The Eye isn't just a warp storm, it's a tear in reality through which the warp is constantly spewing out of. Without the pylons the Eye can just keep expanding until it consumes the whole galaxy.

Ironically the only people that can save the imperium now are the Necrons.

>>51395906
its slightly more fucked than it was already, but I'd wait to see what GW does with this before calling time on the setting.

They might just add it to the background as another reason why the galaxy is just on the precipice of the end, leaving the clock even closer to midnight but not tipping it over.

>>51380234
>They cannot cover up the expanding Eye. It will grow bigger in the skies of every world in the galaxy.

In couple of thousands of years in most cases.

>>51395906
Or the Cadian Pylons pass their RP save and nothing bad happen.

To be honest unless forcing plot armour nothing can defeat the Imperium but itself. Or an enslaver plague.

Necrons to few, chaos needs plot protection, Eldar to few, Orks are Orks, Nids can be stop in space since they suck there.

>>51396067
>Or the Cadian Pylons pass their RP save and nothing bad happen.

They're literally submerged in lava, crushed between tectonic plates, and uprooted by searing winds.

Personally I'm hoping the Necrons just fly in and build a dyson sphere around the Eye. The most lolnope anti climatic ending ever.

>>51375735
>tfw humanfags don't even recognize who really won the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiUfnIzbVM

>>51395958
Nope, it's doing that rapidly. It's moving at higher than FTL speeds. The Cadian Gate has already been filled out.

>>51395946
Actually, it's majorly fucked. The Pylons are stated to be the only things preventing the Wrp from consuming the galaxy. Now most of them are destroyed. The Eye is going to destroy the galaxy and there is nothing foreseeable that can prevent hat.

>now are the Necrons.

You mean the C'tan. The Void Dragon built the Pylons but now he is dead (sharded).

>>51396370
You missed the point, we don't know yet how much that'll be developed, hence why I suggested waiting, there's already several ways the galaxy is doomed, it doesn't mean GW will take it all the way.

Heck for all we know one the other Gathering Storm books will interrupt it.

>>51396370
40k galaxy was already majorly fucked bro, thats the point of the setting.

>>51384839
But Failbaddon still have Planet Killer, with can destroy Cadia with one shot that can't be nullified.

>>51396335
yeah but the light from the expansion still has to reach those other planets so even though the eye is expanding rapidly the other planets won't see the change for along time as the view they have of the eye of terror at the moment is also an extremely old view depending how far away they are in light years. Like if the eye of terror expanded by 5 light years today but the planet is 100 light years away they won't see the difference in the night sky for a century as the view of the eye of terror right now is already 100 old since light takes that long to travel from the eye to the planets surface. It's the same thing with a supernovae you observe on a telescope it's probably a thousand years or more after it happened but the light from it is only hitting your eyes now.

>>51396532
This.

>>51396875

No he doesn't read the book faggot

>>51397201
In BL supplement he have. In FoC PK haven't been destroy or even mentioned

>>51396532
>>51397180
You compared a guy who has cancer with a guy who has cancer who has been set on fire.

>>51397354
>In FoC PK haven't been destroy or even mentioned

It was mentioned it was destroyed in a previous battle READ THE FUCKING BOOK FAGGOT

>>51397354
Which means it's in another area of space away from Cadia. So why risk it when he can use the remnants of the Blackstone Fortress to finish the job just as well?

>>51397419
No. 40k was always set before the apocalypse. That's why progressing the story never made sense.

>>51397447
Can you give me some citation? Because I was searching info about PK in Foc and there was none.
And no need to be rude bitch.

>>51394060

Please explain how topkeknot has more astartes and footsoldiers than the whole fucking Imperium in his fucking biggest fortress world?

It's not like the chaos marines are buttfucking eachother to spawn baby chaos marines and as far as demons go you can say that the Imperium has a shitload of ways to counter them.

It's just plain plot armor to say that ababababdodnd could take the most important world in the imperium after Terra with 2 or 3 tricks. Why would be the door to fucking hell undefended against demons? Where are the Grey Knights and the thousand of Space Marines chapters the Imperium has and abababadbn doesn't?.

It's just stupid how GW is pushing a shitty character no one likes. Even retconing the fluff to make it easier for him.

>>51400602
The main problem with FoC is that they rushed war on Cadia. We have one short book about fights on best defendet wrold in Imperium, while Shieeld of Baal, Fenris Santcus Reach etc are 2 books.

>>51397605
this.

>>51400602
FoC does make it clear that there are tons of imperial armies and chapters involved, but as >>51400652 says as its only one book the war feels rushed, most of the book is right at the end of the war, after the imperial have been ground down to fraction of their starting strength. We should really have had at least 2 books, with FoC being the second and the first going into greater depth about the overall war leading up to it.

you do kind of have a point about CSM numbers, but then thats never really made sense, they always have as many as the plot demands. The amount that should be left, especially of the original traitor legions should be tiny.

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>>51375735
SILENCE EVERYONE! FOR CADIA!

>>51383387
Who are these for if knowing about the Archenemy is verboten?

>>51401295
The High Lords of Terra.

>>51400602
Fuck off. How many times you need to be told it's daemons. Horus never harnessed the full power of the Warp.

>>51397605
Before only humanity was fucked because or all these xeno invasions and demon incusions yhat threatened to stretch the imperium to breaking point. Now the galaxy is fucked forever. Reality will be overwritten. The milky way becomes an unsightly mass of warp stuff for all time.

Young xeno won't come after humanity envitably dies to pick over the corpse of the old imperium. No tau surveyors finding out the foundation of this world is a actually kilometers deep hive city. They'll be demon chow too

>>51406054
Yeah, that was always going to happen.

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>>51380103
Finally! I grow tired of people that didn't even bother reading the book and still open their mouth about it.

Here people, have a nice lengthy resume of the book, instead of reading bullshit trying to sum up a huge book in a few lines, leading to huge inaccuracies or straight up lies.

>>51383724
>Doesn't read the damn book
>Gets called out on it
>"Y-you mad?"

There is a point at which you need to stop buddy.
Abaddon winning is fine. It was always meant to be, since 2003 for fuck's sake. And I say that as a staunch Imperial.

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>>51385146
Damn right son.

So, which races will go the way of the tomb kings?too good for this forsaken earth, rest inpeace my sweet tomb kings[\spoiler]

Will they add in rak'gul?

Will they bring back squats?

Will macha finally lose her virginity?

Will matt ward make a glorious return?

Pls respond

Name predictions?
Warhammer 50k?

Warhammer 1million

Warhammer infinite?

Only war?

>>51408079
Age of the God-Emperor.

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>>51407626
>it was meant to be
>chaos lost in the 13th black crusade campaign
>was meant to be

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Posting best guard in honour of best fortress world.

>>51407626
You do know that GW butcher the chaos victory during the Eye of terror campaign.

Mostly due to chaos being OP broken during that time.

And well every Abaddon victory has been "lol I totally accomplish my secret objective guys! Even if I lost everything while doing so"

To be fair Chaos marines are just like some Syrian armed forces. In the gran scale of things they don't matter unless they get plot armour saves

>>51408481
Numbers have never been much of a factor in Warhammer fluff. There is as many of something as the author wants it to be and fuck logistics.

>>51408142
Chaos won in EoT, though.

>>51408481
Mister no proof is here again. Still spouting your headcanon?

Lets try something canon. A chapter of 1000 marines are able to decimate an entire sector on their own. Source is the 6th ED CSM codex "renegades" section.

>>51408142
Barring all the discussions about retcons, etc etc, it makes sense that one planet is not enough to hold the whole damn traitor legions and the rest of their armies.
Again, I'm an Imperial through and through, but it is naive to think that Cadia could single handedly stop the Crusade.

>>51408544
A crusade that's larger than anything Horus ever commanded with the backing of all the gods.

Nurgle helped the most....

>999.M41 The Plague River

>Nurgle’s minions carry his cauldron to the steps of his manse, where he tips open the vessel and pours an immense, plague-filled river through into realspace. The river wends its way into the Cadian Sector, unleashing a jaw-dropping array of filth-bringing Daemons. As the Imperium shudders beneath the first salvos of Abaddon’s brutal conflict, Nurgle seizes the opportunity to distribute his finest epidemics ever further. Diseases infect hive worlds and seep behind fortress walls, weakening the defenders of the Imperium at this most crucial hour…

>>51408521
>6th edition

Come back when you play during 3rd edition, the actual eye of terror campaign.

Chaos won the 40k game basically due to their op double lash and other things like the old leaf blower iron warriors.

During the Battlefleet Gothic games, chaos lost hard.

That said the issue is not that Cadia assploded. Is how lame the entire thing was. For fuck sake any other world invasion had 2 books.

The entire FoC was rushed in a way of clickbite news that is why the bitching happen.

No one is saying the Cadia shouldn't fall but how FoC happen? It could perfectly been a random world in a random sector.

Not the bloody Fortress world that stand against chaos for ages. Give it some dignity to both Chaos and Imperium.

>>51408634
>Come back when you play during 3rd edition, the actual eye of terror campaign.

Same shit. Chaos dominated on the ground war.

>No one is saying the Cadia shouldn't fall but how FoC happen? It could perfectly been a random world in a random sector.

Read ze book. When the book starts, the Imperial fleet was already grounded down and the Cadians were pushed back to their last fortress on the planet.

They skipped the boring fighting and went to important parts about Cadia's fall.

>>51408119
That was called the Great Crusade

>>51408573
Exactly, Chaos had never been so strong while the Imperium so weak.

>>51408634
double lash was 4th ed 3.5 had deamon bomb wordbearers and op deamon princes

>>51408667
>Read ze book. When the book starts, the Imperial fleet was already grounded down and the Cadians were pushed back to their last fortress on the planet.

I think they might have started Fall of Cadia where the Eye of Terror campaign ended, actually.

>>51390529
i was about to say something about pol but thats a witty shoop, good job /pol/, for once in your lifetime you were creative

>>51408749
Exactly. That is what they did.

>>51408062
>Will they add in rak'gul?
Rak'Ghol.

Dunno, they are FF made, but GW should make them into a faction.

On the other hand GW would rather bring back Squats rather than make a new faction that actually is more original than their shit currently.

>Will they bring back Squats?
Well they are retconned back as a background abhuman species, but it will require twenty years until they consider to bring them back as a faction.

>Will Macha finally lose her virginity?
I bet Rhonan will tap her in DoWIII.

>Will Matt Ward make a glorious return?
He's back for some time.

>>51408667
>Same shit. Chaos dominated on the ground war.

Not that anon, but as I remembered it well, they retconned Abby's conquest of Cadia into simply securing a beachhead on the planet.

So now that cadia is boomed what does that mean for the imperium? Wasnt cadia the biggest defense agaisnt the countless black crusades? Sure the imperium still has a lot of troops but now they'll need to spread themselves even more thin than they already are. I dont know all the details about 40k but this sounds like a prime time for abbadon to try his hands at it again.

Also im surprised. The story got advanced holy crap. If this is cannon its god damn huge.

>>51408062
>So, which races will go the way of the tomb kings?
IG.
>Will macha finally lose her virginity?
She is dead already.
>Will matt ward make a glorious return?
He already did it, by uniting Eldars, sorry I mean aeldars.

>>51408405
>ammo tube is also a barrel
how the fuck does that store ammo AND shot?

>>51376514
That was Slaanesh's plan. Pity about the boom

>>51409544
Last time someone asked about Squats at an open day or something, they were extremely clear that they will never ever come back. They're not interested in that, and nobody else is. It's a damn meme at this point.

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>>51376612
>>51378817
>>51380146
>>51380184


OH GOD I AGREE WITH YOU ASSHOLES NOW


NOW A FUCKING CRAFTWORLD IS GONE

>>51410632
It's not like those are important. I would be more upset to see Commorragh be destroyed.

REMEMBER!! CARIA FELL BEFORE THE GUARD DID!

If dubs press f to pay respects.

>>51410971

I think it is gonna be destroyed anon

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>>51388516
They BUILT THOUSANDS of them on other planets. It is why chaos cannot run rampant.

God dammit people learn to read. Abbaddon used the last 12 crusades as a distraction to destroy pylons on a path to Terra. Cadia was the last one.

The red path is literally a breach in the ancient necron pylon system that reaches all the way to Tera.

>FFS

>>51410067
By having faith in the Emperor.

>>51392278
Legion of the Damned fucking where?

>>51411018
Cadia tried to desert. So it was shot.

>>51411058
It can't be worse than the WHFB. That was heartbreaking. Mostly because it was horribly written.

>>51408079
Warhammer: Infinite War

>>51411301
Covering up your failures by saying "Just according to keikaku," does not, in fact, make them successes.

>>51411058
>>51410971
It's not gone. Turns out craftworlds are made up of a whole bunch of smaller ships. It just split into its components. Biel-tan is a fleet now instead of a craftworld.

>>51411348
>worse than WHFB End Times

>>51411018
F

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So GW seems to be doing a 3 leaders for each faction thing so far for all this End Times stuff right? But none of the 3 for the Imperials on Cadia were marines.

So. Return of 3 loyalist Primarchs for a war of the three kingdoms style battle for the throne of terra? Wich one guys?

>>51375735
Chaos Propaganda.
GW TO THE GAS CHAMBER

>>51410596
Pity.

We have space elves, space halflings, space ogres and now space catgirls, but not getting the space dwarfs back? That's stupid.

And GW doesn't anything with the Demiurgs.

The only thing we have is a scribble about them, some sketches and a ship for Tau fleets in Battlefleet Gothic.

>>51411560
I was going to say, the Demiurgs have a biching role in BFGA Tau trailer and in gameplay as well.

>>51411520
Hmmm.

Dorn is good at fortifying and sieges.

Leman is a overall fighter.

Corvus is about stealth and guerilla.

Jaghatai is about speed.

Lion is more of a tactical specialist than Rogoute.

Roboute is all about logistics and empire building.

If I have to choose someone who can lead the Imperium, then it would be Gorillaman.

Yeah, he's a control freak, but the fact that he pulled it off with Ultramar makes him a great candidate.

>>51411589
It is almost like the game was made by people who cared about thier product

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>>51409877

>>51411392
None of the Black Crusades were failures. They achieved their secondary and primarily objectives. You guys still think that the Crusades were about taking Cadia? You need to die, anon.

>>51384978
Cadia broke before the Guard did.

>>51412764
Depends on the regiment.

>>51412711
that's still a silly retcon, GW needs to realise that Chaos/Abaddon can have a couple of losses and still be a credible threat

>>51411520
Dorn is actual dead, his body was recovered and his bones are the holiest relics of the Fists. Russ is just AWOL, or is he back now? I know Fenris is kill but didn't keep on top of how or why. Is he back with the 13th Great Company to wolf the enemy's wolf at the Wolftime?

I think Guilliman is going to come back, he wrote the Codex and his impossibly healing in the stasis tube seems like it'll pay off.

Corax, the Lion, and Jaghatai might all still be alive somewhere and could come back.

Vulkan will only come back when the orks form another great Waaaagh! like the Beast did and the waaaagh energy vomits him back out or something.

>>51412878
They only found Dorn's hand didn't they?

>>51412878
Fenris isn't kill dude, this is the problem with getting your lore from on here, its bloody chinese whispers.

And Russ isn't back. Yet.

>>51412853
>GW writes Chaos losing something
>anons: HAHAHAHA Armless failure LOLOLOL

Not going to happen. Enjoy your Archaon 1.2.

>>51412951
I've honestly been trying to stay out of this 'is it end times? Is it just the plot moving?' shit for a year or so to let it get ahead of where I'd be jumping in and a bit less immediate. I'm only here because I was curious how Cadia was kill and am satisfied with what I saw. Guard kicked ass, the Imperial Fists blew up a blackstone fortress, Necrons were cool, and then the planet exploded because of crashing death fortress.

Did the Phalanx make it out? The Fists are some of my favorite marines, I'm glad they didn't lose their insane three way battle when hurtling through the warp. I figured they'd only get wrecked at the end of the Crimson Path as it got to Terra.

>>51412878
>Vulkan will only come back when the orks form another great Waaaagh! like the Beast did and the waaaagh energy vomits him back out or something.

I take this back, Creed probably meets Vulkan (A metal giant in a scaled cloak) at the end of Cadia to be spirited away and live. Vulkan really just will not stay dead even when literally vaporized by ork magic.

>>51412853
Nope. That was always memes and never canon.

>>51413250
That was Trazyn who put Creed in one of his tesseract labyrinth...

>>51413029
Yup Phalanx made it out, although it took quite a beating.
Fists continue to endure, best vanilla marines confirmed.

>>51413250
>(A metal giant in a scaled cloak)
It's Trazyn. Don't be stupid. They mention on the previous page that Trazyn was going to capture Creed.
There has never been any proof that Trazyn has Vulkan, ever. And now we know the giant in baroque armor was a Custodes, so even that bit of hinting was wrong.

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>>51413388
I'd believe that too but the scaled cloak and noting it was a giant seems like a Vulkan nod to me. We'll see eventually I guess

>>51413396
The Emperor protects

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>>51413427
>scaled cloak

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>>51413416
>Don't be stupid.
You can't make me! Don't you know willful ignorance is how you keep the daemons out?

>>51413396
>>51413427
Walls fail, Fists do not.

>We have an entire book from the Grey Knight POV about how Logan Grimnar almost started another Space Marine civil war over his refusal to let the GK and Inquisition purge the survivors and IG of Armageddon who saw a daemon invasion and evidence that a Daemon Primarch is a thing
>the Wolves then allow the GK to put every Fenrisian tribesman after the Siege of Fenris because they probably saw Magnus the Red

Who okayed this? This is the Wolves' recruiting population, not just IG they fought beside or innocent civilians. What are they going to do, import a bunch of new feral worlders and use their own knowledge of Fenrisian culture to restart the planet or something?

>>51413612
Because Logan know he's fucked. Wolves suffer heavy losses and have Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus demanding purge. If he try to resist fenris could just be blown up from the orbit.

>>51413612
The wolves were extremely weakened afterwards, so didn't feel they were in a position to say no, plus a lot of the purged tribesmen were actually tainted, ie: mutataed and shit.

Also they didn't purge all of them, there's still a sizeable Fenrisian population left, read the book dude, its in the general.

>>51413704
I am now. I was just reading the wiki to catch up on what I missed, and it manages to imply it was a total purge of the Fenrisians through I guess limited use of space to explicate.

Think this ongoing metaplot is going to fuck up any of the books we'd been getting before? Because I really wanted the last Christ Wraight book about the Wolves given how the last one ends with Jarnhamar going rogue. Ingvar is best Space Wolf

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>>51401039

>>51413416
how do we know the baroque armour guy is a custodes?

>>51414806
he shows up as part of the guys Trayzn releases, along with vostroyans, 30k ultras and some tanith

>>51414855
ahh ok thanks

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>>51414884
Read >>51407593. It's the most elaborate summary I could find.

Over a decade too late.

>>51414989
the full book is also available on the 40k general

>>51417167
There's that as well.

>>51375735
I don't play 40k. I know a bit of the lore and read a Cain book or two but I am no expert.

So can anybody explain what is actually going on? And why this may/is a good/bad thing?

>>51390529
Wow that's amazing... wait... TIL 40k (30k) has caps ... wait...

>>51391195
Who were then subsequently shot by their commissar.

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>>51408405