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DOOMRIDER SAYS STOP ARGUING YOU FUCKING KHORNATES edition

seriously stop arguing sub-edition

>THIS IS THE ROSTER CREATOR. DOOMRIDER WILL RAPE YOU IF YOU ASK FOR IT
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>Not always current PDFs:
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>Up to date FAQs
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>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
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>Forge World Book Index:
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>The Black Library (Beware the Doomrider)
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2nd for No.
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>>51375092
I have no clue
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>>51375092
Fourth for this guy should be shot in the back of the head
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>>51375073
>KHORNATES
The nickname is Khorne-flakes as it implies them being largely harmless AND flakey
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>>51375095
Please man, don't
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>>51375111
Trips of truth.
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>>51375111
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You guys are all aware the "no"fag is probably fucking Carnac, right?
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>>51375073
10th for recursive hiding kills the shitpost
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>>51375141
Can someone make a poll so we can solve this democratically?
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>>51375111
Check'd

You can choose what aspect of plastic army men we argue about.
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How FUN are imperial knights

also fucking ironstriders. things are a bastard to make.
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>>51375146
I just assumed we were all aware of that fact
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>>51375158
No because attention feeds the shitposters, and they'd resort to IP spoofing to skew it anyway.
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>>51375158
http://www.strawpoll.me/12186395
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>>51375158
http://www.strawpoll.me/12186398
Just fuck my shit up senpai
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>>51375146
Who is Carnac?

>>51375111
check'd
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>>51375146
Nice try carnac trying to throw us off the scent
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>>51375158
Because that worked so well for America, right?
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>>51375177
No
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>>51375191
correct
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daily reminder: the true warp/slaaneshi music will always be hardcore

https://youtu.be/qyQ5zMCc_AI?t=44s

I'm the cardinal of carnage
the poisonous priest
dont bother praying to your E
there's no avoiding this beast
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reposting

I want to get up to 1250.
What, if anything, would I need to pick up to get a decent list at 1250?

I was thinking another talos or a chronos.

or possibly a razorwing.
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>>51375158
http://www.strawpoll.me/12186412
Probably one already made at this point
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>>51375196
I mean, better than Hillary, but honestly that's like saying "WELL AT LEAST MY OPPONENT WAS ONLY A RIPTIDE SPAMMING FAGGOT INSTEAD OF A WRAITHKNIGHT AND SCATBIKE SPAMMING FAGGOT.
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>>51375218
What is your 1000 DE list?
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>>51375218
forgot pic.
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>>51375223
>misrepresenting the question
What's even the point?
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>>51375234
Whats the plan for your archon?
It strikes me that you should just run a 10 point court instead and save 50pts
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>>51375238
It's literally the question being asked with both supporting arguments.

see>>51375179
Get BTFO
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>>51375234
Here's my 1000 list, I luv it <3 Some anons here helped me with it which I'm eternally thankful for
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I'm still looking for improvements on this list so I can stop posting it
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>>51375258
fluff mostly, and I don't have any of the court units. Ideally, I'd like to deck her out with a blaster and possibly the huskblade, maybe a clonefield so she can just shred shit in melee.
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>>51375169
>imperial knights
Depends, but if you mean a pure 100% IK army? Not fun at all
Turns the game into an even more Rock-Paper-Scissor game where you can usually tell the outcome by a simple question:
>How much Anti-tank did they bring?
If the answer is enough, the IK player gets tabled.
If the answer is not enough, the IK player burns down the AT right away and spends the rest of the game crushing everything with his (now) invincible Knights
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>>51375185
You are. I am. >>51375298 This guy is. We all are.
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>>51375223
>not using infiltrate as such
But that's wrong.
The FAQ makes that part very clear, regardless of the "can they charge on a 6" question. Servoskulls stop it if they're doing it during deployment, the rules make it clear they're infiltrating.

GSC players are the tau of melee armies.
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>>51375234
>>51375218
Give your Archon some waregear and some kind of bodyguard.

Shadow field, soul trap, husk blade, four incubi and another venom.
Try to feed your archon some easy challenges to make use of soul trap, it's not the best choice in the world but I think it's the best way to run an archon. If anyone throws any ap2/3 your way go full man mode and try and tank it on your archon, either he dies in shame or wins gloriously.
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>>51375314
Yeah I repost my list alot, pretty Carnac move. I'm just not getting answers to my questions sorry guys
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I hope I never make another ironstrider again. Tech Chickens suck dick to make.
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>>51375334
I picked you at random, my point being everyone is Carnac.
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>>51375298
Any particular reason you're running a double sigil of corruption? You'd be better off just deciding who will cop the wounds and put it on him, and then get another bike.
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>>51375298
split bikers for extra melts
plas on the troops instead you lack AP2
why the quadruple discipline split on sorc?
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>>51375298
>2 heldrakes
what is this 2014?
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>>51375324
But Celestine is broken op model. Unlike ripetides, stormsurge, bikes, Wraith knight, free transport and upgrades formation, etc, etc, etc.

She is part of the problem, but not out right Tau, Eldar and marine easy to Spam broken.
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>>51375347
>I picked you at random
I demand you prove it.

If you can't I'm going to assume you have some personal vendetta and call you a faggot.
You're not a faggot, are you anon?
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>>51375361
also, 2 heldrakes but no ld debuffing relic?
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>>51375298
Honestly, I would drop the Sorcerer and split the Bikes into two units of 5 or so. Grab more Melta that way, plus 3 Warp Charge doesn't really cut it as Psychic armies tend to go big or go home.

Also, I would probably give Havoc Launchers to your Havoc Rhinos if you really want to keep them, because your Havocs will probably want to be dismounted anyway (only 2 fire points on a Rhino after all), and this lets the Rhinos be cheap Obsec.
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>>51375374
I am. So are you. So is every other Anon here, Just like we're all Carnac.
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>>51375400
Are we also all alpharius
:^)
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>>51375360
I'm running sigil on my sorc as I'll likely be running him with the spawn given some play testing
>>51375361
>split bikers
I'll try to work that in, I wasn't sure about the blob of bikes honestly.
>Plas
You're right
>quad discipline
It's showing that on the list builder but I'm forced to take Nurgle discipline which honestly isn't bad. All my bikes are getting +1 on their jink due to stealth and the Nurgle primaris that gives an enemy model Gets Hot is just amazing
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>>51375419
No, Alpharius is Carnac.
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>>51375371
>But Celestine is broken op model
wow, have you been playing sister so long you think THAT is OP?

just wow
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>>51375437
I was making fun of people saying new Celestine is broken as fuck.
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>>51375424
Instead of running the sorc with the spawn, just add him to the split bike squad, the spawn should be a non-offensive backline capping unit if you aren't going to fully flesh out the unit.
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>>51375430
But is Carnac Alpharius?
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>>51375437
People don't use her with sisters, they use her to buff their space marine squads.

Either in a biker squad or in a dev squad to make their grav cannons relentless.
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GW just told me to check my local costumes or post office for my lost package... How the fuck do I ask for a lost package if they didn't give me anything to identify the package.

Hey mr postman do you have my package?
Sure anon I'll manually check millions of parcel just to look for your stuff

Are this guy for real?
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>>51375498
>in a dev squad to make their grav cannons relentless
Well that would be very stupid of them, seeing as relentless isn't conferred onto a unit.
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So about Ayn Rand
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>>51375333
something like this, then?
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>>51375392
>>51375475
So I'm at an impasse, keep the sorc or mitigate the points?
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>>51375342
Are they that difficult to assemble?
I want some but it sounds daunting and I don't want them to oook stupid
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>>51375498
>tfw friend thinks I'm a WAACfag now because I used the Wrathful Crusade to table him

Us Black Templar players can never catch a break from bullshit.
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>>51375531
Yeah, looks good. Just need to somehow find a way to spend 9 points.
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This one is my list. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. I feel it has a good mix of speed, board presence, MSU melee, psychic fuckery, and almost everything is Objective Secured with this.
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>>51375539
It probably wont' be as big an issue for you, but I have dyslexia / dyspraxia so the smaller objects were pretty frustrating for me to deal with which lead to a little more difficulty than I would have expected. neat model, though.
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>>51375555
would haywire grenades do well on the archon, do you think?
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>>51375523
Well it should have your name and address on it. It will also have GWs address on it as they did ship it to you.
Post offices should be sorted and may even have a place where they store boxes that couldn't be delivered.

Do you have a tracking number or anything?
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>>51375571
Yes, very much. otherwise he wouldn't be able to harm walkers in close combat.
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>>51375571
Any character in a DE army that can should take Haywire Grenades. Cheapish haywire tosses are one of the few tools DE have vs vehicle-heavy armies (that, and Caltrop Reavers).
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>>51375570
>dyspraxia
...Is butterfingers a diagnosis now?
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>>51375073

Is Age of the Emperor still happening?
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>>51375570
Ah okay. They're just so cheap point wise for what they do, I want a cavalcade or whatever the formation is but they cost more than $1/point
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>>51375590
>>51375589
god, fuck reavers and their bizarre point cost.
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>>51375545
Anon old Celestine, Seraphim and Dominion where broken according to our Eldar and Taur players.

Yes those kind of players the one that brought 3 ripetide to 1000 points games and scatter bike Spam.

If their waac netlisting no skill is not autowinning they bitch and moan
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>>51375594
hue. it's not so much clumsiness for me, but a smaller degree of fine motor control and some lack of feeling in my fingers.
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>>51375535
Keep the sorc just take out the spawn altogether and maybe upgrade your termies to oblits, but thats just like, my opinion, man
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>>51375599
Oh good you reminded me, time to update my /tg/trash filter.
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>>51375599
something is happening, but it probably won't end as drastically as age of fantasy emperor did
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>>51375607
Scourges are worth the extra points over the ravager
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>>51375611
He even complained about "Greyfax stupid Psyker bullshut" after I dropped her into his Tac squads with the Sternguards when he had literally no Psykers she could use her full potential against and was more of a 150 point tax than anything.

He probably was just salty that Lysander and his Assault Termies didn't manage to deep strike in until turn 4.
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>>51375586
Nop since I notice way to late the hack charged for the tracking.

Without a tracking or similar they can't search for shit. Mostly due to them having to check manually the list for parcels not having a tracking number.

I asked them for anything to identify the package beside the non existing tracking number. Even the company used for shipping it and they are like lol just check the local postal office.

I'm willing to deal with clusterfuck but this idiots are not giving me anything to help with the search.
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>>51375492
No, he's Omegon.
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>>51375526
You should probably read Celestine's unique special rules.
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>>51375342
Buy a penitent engine, it'll be fun!
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>>51375679

Where are you from?

Are you the salty anon from Chile that bitches about tracking numbers in these generals every now and then
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>>51375705
Nop but I understand his pain. For some reason GW has a hate boner towards South America.

They go out of their way to be shit. When I bought stuff in the USA from them and problems happen. They simply resend the stuff. With South America they have this wild 1 to 2 month delay. With express shipping the delay is reduce to 1 month. Not really worth the extra.

It is just GW being an asshole regarding South America.
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>>51375754
Cant have a CAD in the vectorium, cant have oblits in a warband

so illgal/10
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>>51375750
Or GW considers SA infrastructure such a clusterfuck they have a "fire and forget" policy towards it.
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>>51375764
Sorry I mislabeled that and confused myself which is why I was forced to have the terminators. I'll delete the photo and revise it.
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>>51375767
If that was true I would agree. But it is just them.

I've lost more package when living in the USA than here. Hell beside GW not even the $2 shit from china got lost.

People trying to sell GW products here got fed up with their idiotic policies of just sending what ever they wanted instead of the products they asked. Why the fuck does GW think that a store need a box of 100 Ethereals and 50 Vindicares!
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>>51375073
why do i never see people bitch about crons in these threads when they are so high tier. Genuinly curious
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>>51375817
I did say "considers" not "is"
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My phone refuses to take pictures right now, for what reason I do not know, and my tablet similarly decided to shit itself so I can't doodle this, but I've got a bit that needs identifying. I know describing it isn't ideal, but again, I can't really help that.

It's metal, so it's a bit older. The core of the piece is a rectangular cube that seems to be a sort of backpack frame, most apparent from the right side and from bellow; on the right side, the bottom-left goes up in a 30-degree angle untill it meets the top (60 degrees or so). The top half is about half the length of the bottom. The bottom of the frame-thing has two long teeth like you might see at the bottom of a suitcase (alternatively, like those wooden Japanese sandals with the two bits on the bottom). On the left side is a laspistol in a holster, and on the front, in the middle, is a satchel. On top of the satchel is a rolled up blanket or coat or something.

If anyone recognizes it from the description, I'd love to know what the fuck this thing is. Best I can figure is it went to an old vehicle or something, like a sentinel. Maybe something from a Catachan set. Until I can figure out what the hell it's supposed to be, I don't know what to do with it.
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>>51375818
because nobody plays crons
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What are some interesting reasons for a chapter to go renegade?
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>>51375818
Crons are really only high tier with the decurion detatchment and wraith spam. They're not unavoidable cheese like Tau or Eldar, where pretty much everything they have is excessively good.
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>>51375818
Being really tough is fine and all but it don't mean shit when the opponent parks himself on 4-5 objectives objectives turn and then just waits for the game to end 20-3.
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>>51375607
>all those porn tabs
at least pretend that you tried to hide it, anon
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>>51375073
REEEEEEEEE
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>>51375866
legit not intended, but oddly fitting.
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>>51375849

People are still playing Maelstrom?
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>>51375849
>>51375845
so as long as i dont run decurion people shouldn't really be whining?
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>>51375822
It is unprofessional as fuck. It would be like us teaching European how to work SAP and simple spreadsheets. Oh wait we did.
The fucks in Holland where using Excel and adding up numbers by hand on a calculator and then filling the cells.

Part of me thinks GW is still in the 90's mentality
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>>51375871
The big giveaway was seeing "HALL OF ANAL DEVASTATION" above your list. That and the H-F icon.
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Hey guys. So a while ago I posted a base and you guys seemed to like it. So here's the finished product. What so you guys think? It's supposed to be cracked earth like on a volcanic world. Maybe the colors need to be deeper and brighter?
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>>51375898
The hall of anal devastation actually isn't porn.

http://imgur.com/a/XKwJ4
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>>51375842
Could be that they're just straight up corrupt/greedy, enjoy battle a bit too much for it to be healthy, or are just straight up into daemon weapons like the Relictors.
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>>51375898
>"HALL OF ANAL DEVASTATION"
Well that might as well be a tumblr tantrum compilation site.
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>>51375872
>not playing the game mode that encourages board control and prevents you from just hiding in your deployment zone for five turns before turbo-boosting onto the objective
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Did anyone else notice that Trump was at the burning of prospero?
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>>51375842
Maybe they just really like fuckin' killin dudes.
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>>51375921
that's basically exactly what it is.

it's several hundred pages of forum posts of naruto/sakura fans buttblasted over the ending of naruto.
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>>51375931
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>>51375901
anon, are you from aberdeen?
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>>51375901
Less yellow, more red and orange. All that yellow makes it seem like it's too hot for that much to cool down and form a solid..Pic related.
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>>51375955
Don't evne know what happened, haven't kept up since the dream/alternate reality subplot
but looks like he hooked up with bestgirl
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>>51375955
Now that's some Sonic tier fandom.
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>>51376004
he did.

the anal shredding was fucking glorious.
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>>51375607
>Buttsmithy
Nice taste
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>>51375964
That's Duke Nuke'em you sadsack.
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>>51375842

Framed by the Inquisition
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>>51375922

I play the game mode that encourages treating a wargame like a war instead of a game of Simon says.
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>>51376016
Proof wanpiss is the best of the big, no retcons, no romance, no drama.
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>>51376023
>duke nukem ever not wearing sunglasses
Nice joke
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>>51375964
That sister of silence is about to get GOLDED.
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>>51376035
>all was is just a pitch battle where eople line up an take turns
MoW is way more intresting that kill points. actually add tactics
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>even the current Space Marines tactical squad comes with only an ultramarines transfer sheet
WHAT THE FUCK IS GW DOING
FUCKING CHRIST, HOW CAN YOU FUCK EVERYTHING YOU DO UP SO BAD
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>>51375979
Ah, I gotcha. I was following Duncan's color pallette of yellow orange, orange then yellow. The red and such actually makes sense to me though since it's technically a cooler color. I'll start with a red base and work up to yellow for the next one and see how that looks.
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>>51376053

Having a scenario is nice. Having a procedurally generated Simon says scenario is a gimmick that gets old very quickly.
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>>51375918
>Naruto shit
You should probably have said it was porn.
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>>51375764
>>51375623
What do you guys think?
Not really sure about all the melta bombs I threw on as well as the lack of even AoDG on the sorc
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>>51376024
Why would the Inquisition frame a loyalist chapter? The Alpha Legion have been known to wear loyalist colors to false flag but I can't see the Holy Inquisition doing something like that.
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>>51376079
It's laughing at the naruto fanbase, not enjoying the work itself.

anyway, this is way off-topic. I didn't mean to leave that in the crop.
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>>51376071
It seems pretty interesting as an observer Annon. It's why once I get the Rice Paper in I'm going to make some objective makers with little flags on them marking them numbers 1 to 6.
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>>51376089
I think that looks more well-rounded overall. The Havoc Rhinos don't even *need* to transport the actual Havocs in question, and can just harass/camp an objective. Good luck!
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>>51376069
Yeah, just stick with a bit of yellow in the center of the widest cracks. Kinda' like a reverse edge-highlight, I guess.
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>>51376089
I'd still cut havok rhinos, but your call.

Rest looks decent
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>>51376071
seeing as playing EW is always the same, MoW is always better. the random natuer of it means you have to adapt to changes conditions.
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>>51375922
>prevents you from just hiding in your deployment zone for five turns before turbo-boosting onto the objective
obsec already does that

Alternatively, actual scenarios will also prevent that. I'd like to see a 7e player wrap his head around the old Sabotage or Rescue missions.
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>>51376126
Maelstrom would be better if it wasn't "Random rewards for the same VP" and it wasn't so 100% random. There's a reason one of the most common houserules is "discard an impossible objective", because getting dicked on VP when you get "slay an enemy Psyker" versus Necrons is bullshit.
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Should i buy the tyranid swarm box yay or nay?
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>>51376089
>a lonely squad of three terminators
???
For what purpose
and why the itty-bitty marine squads?
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>>51376110
>>51376123
Cutting the havoc rhinos as well as some other fat WOULD get me enough points for another unit of termicide or havocs
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>>51376162
Wait that is a house rule? We just discarded the impossible objectives due to common sense. Still from time to time one idiot tryies to enforce keeping impossible objectives.
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list done. fuck lootd wagons we warbuggy now. da deffsta is betta in dis list too
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>>51376186
>Wait that is a house rule?
yep

maelstrom isn't HORRIBLE for pickup games, but completely random missions aren't exactly very fun either
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Can anyone explain the purpose of the rubric termis to me?

They're super MEQ killers in an army of MEQ killers. They seem redundant and not the kind you rely on if your first plan goes south
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>>51376176
I'd consider something more to deal with enemy elites.

Melta, bolters and AP4 can only do so much.

>>51376192
You'll just bank on the enemy forgetting to bring heavy vehicles?
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>>51376219
they're rubric marines with 2+ saves and power swords
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>>51376227
What would you suggest?
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>>51376192
I'll fite yer.
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>>51376219
The purpose is to represent the animate forms of non-psychic thousand sons bound into their armour.
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>>51376130
Where are you placing your objectives that you can camp all 6 board wide objectives that you and your opponent take turns placing, that you can camp all 6 from the deployment zone.
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>>51376255
12+36" move T1.
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>>51376255
Some kind of assault army placing the objectives near the enemy and the opponent being a gun line?

Not sure how that would happen
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>>51376255
>that you can camp all 6 from the deployment zone.
why would you need to camp all 6 from the deployment zone? Your opponent is doing nothing for five turns hoping for his dank xxxmlg turboboost snipe.
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>>51376270
12+36? Even moving all out a vehicle can do at best 24" assuming it has fast, and 18 if it doesn't How are you getting 48?
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>>51376251
>The purpose is to represent the animate forms of non-psychic thousand sons bound into their armour.

But Anon, those guys were some of the best psykers in the Legion! They make no sense being Rubrics!
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>>51376227
>You'll just bank on the enemy forgetting to bring heavy vehicles?
people take heavy vehicles?
>>51376248
needs more warbuggys. looted knights iz best knights, is da knight pirate themed?
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>>51376319
jetbikes go 12" in the movement and 36" extra if they turbo boost
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>>51376339
>>51376248
The knight should have saws for legs
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>>51376362
>The knight should have Deffrollaz for legs
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>>51376309
Well you would need to, otherwise your opponent is just going to go out, cap them, start building up VP, so even if you try to pull a turn five turbo blitz, I'll be so far ahead in VP you would have to table me in one turn to win.

So only way to just sit and chill in Deployment zone all game in MoW with ObSec and use that to win is if you can hit all 6 objectives from there.
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I haven't played in ages and have two questions:
Do people still use Destroyers in Necron armies?
Also, why did wraiths change into swole scarabs from necrons with a noodle where their legs should be?
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>>51376168
Termicide.

To reduce tax.
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>>51376376
>Do people still use Destroyers in Necron armies?
Some do
>Also, why did wraiths change into swole scarabs from necrons with a noodle where their legs should be?
This isn't the GW design office
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>>51376376
Not very likely since the silly new bikes are better.

You have to sell new models, so make them better rules. Unless you are Nids or Orks. Fuck them instead
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Just got an Ork starter kit and some Killa Kans cant wait to build and paint them, any suggestions for a first time painter maybe some examples of some orky work you guys have done
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>>51376376The fact they were given extra wounds, RP is basically "better FNP" rather than "resurrect models unless the unit gets wiped", and they were turned from Jump Infantry into Jetpack Infantry basically turns them into a "tougher" Crisis Suit.

The Destroyer Cult in a Decurion is popular for tournament armies, because that RP becomes 4+, and the formation lets them re-roll ALL to-wound/pen results, so they're very "slow and steady" as far as inflicting damage goes.
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>>51375607
>hall of anal devastation
KEK
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>>51376412
Rule 1 of Orks: Anything goes.

Just have fun with it. Ask your friends for bits. Best around ebay for random bits bags. Make that Deffskull army that has looted everything under the sun.

Orks are one of the only armies you can customize however you want with whatever you want.
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>>51376339
>is da knight pirate themed?
I'm torn between Bad Moons and Freebooterz but I've noticed more than a few Freebooterz in the lore started as Bad Moons.
>>51376362
>The knight should have saws for legs
Eeeeh no.
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>>51376412
>any suggestions for a first time painter
Test your models poses before gluing on limbs, it sucks being unable to get at a spot.

Chose a good colour scheme.

Head over by the WIP thread

Never ask for advice you don't intend to follow.
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>>51376168
Termicide is a normal thing to see, like the other anon said it's a cheap way to fill a compulsory but given that Nurgle terminators are vastly superior to the other marks 3 Nurgle terminators actually have survivability.
>itt-bitty marine squads
I had them at 6 so it'd take 4 kills to get a VP from each squad but I made a few cuts.
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>>51376447
>Rule 1 of Orks: Anything goes.
>Orks are one of the only armies you can customize however you want with whatever you want.

Don't make me dump the Ork hall of shame.
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>>51376447
Ive heard about looted wagons and using looted vehicles but I dont know the rules about those Ive seen the loot wagon thing from white dwarf once but it was a while ago.

I'd love to see some examples of different ork armies /paint styles / clans/ etc
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This looks like it might be >fun to play
Hopefully my local meta isn't too competitive
I always thought they were, but I've not seen them take the most powerful stuff everyone keeps mentioning here
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>>51376471
Go ahead, other than shitty cardboard "scratch builds" I've never seen anything too wrong.
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>>51376471
plz do
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>>51376471
Do it, because this newbie needs to see what DOESN'T work. Fucking hell I've seen some shitty Ork armies. Fucking plastic dinosaur toys barely converted or painted and they're Squiggoths.
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>>51376494
>>51376488
>>51376495

Damn it, didn't expect to be called on it, I never save garbage and the WIP threads nearly a month only by now...
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>>51376460
As far as color schemes go its why id love to see some examples but I do like the looks of the Evil Sunz the most so far. Freebootaz and Bad Mooz being overly decorated gitz too is an easy thing for me to like. I mean I want to have some of every clan in my army even if snakebites I assume are going to look fairly drab

And as far as model posing goes any tips or rookie mistakes to avoid there and does glue choice make much difference
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>>51376481
Painting these up right now. Bunch of crazy semi-feral Snakebites.

Eventually going to have dinosaur/boar bikers and Pteradactyl Deffcoptas.
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>>51376168
Because you have to take Termies, Chosen, or possessed. Since Termies are tough resilient and can DS onto the battlefield they a small death star of them will Combimelta should be able to gun down a few things like transports without needing to charge. And since they don't need a transport and come with power weapons already or cheap lighting claws, you can melee down lone units like Broadsides with ease.
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>>51376487
My regular baneblade never lives past turn 2, so i find it a waste of points
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>>51376561
I love my tanks and I can get an unbuilt one for like 50 euros so I'm gonna try.
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>>51375767
Retribution for the Falklands
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>>51376544
I didnt see any units like this on gw or forgeworld are these from and older set or what? /me is obviously clueless
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>>51376561
Why? Use bodies to shield it from meltadrops.
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>>51376588
Pretty sure they're Age of Sigmar
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>>51376375
>start building up VP
m8, this conversation was about non-maelstrom objective missions.
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>>51376588
Those are Savage Orruks from Age of Sigmar, combined with Ork Boy parts.
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>>51376588
They're savage orcs from fantasy
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>>51376591
I play mechguard so I don't have a ton of body's.
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>>51376531
Plastic glue bonds stronger, but is messier if any gets anywhere on the model. Also harder to break off if you mess up. It also melts paint, too, FYI.
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>>51376495
>>51376494
>>51376488
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>>51376610
How about cheap metal bawkses instead?
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>>51376487
>fun
It's kind of one note, either they have the AT to kill THE BEHNBLADE and win, or they don't and lose.

Honestly I'd see about expanding that list to 1850, since it'll give you more bodies to play with and also make sure your opponents are probably prepared to deal with a superheavy.
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>>51376637
as long as that is a WIP; its fine
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>>51376642
Typically I just rush the veterans with meltas at the enemy tanks so the baneblade gets left alone. I obv could build around the baneblade but god forbid if the enemy has a Super-Heavy or Gargantution creature the baneblade just gets fucked by a D gun.
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>>51376705
I see. Don't really play against many superheavies. Other than knights.
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How does one kill a Dreadknight with space marines?
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>>51376604
And thats allowed with the rules for a 40k game, cause id seriously collect some Sigmar boyz
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>>51376736
My local group typically doesn't bring a superheavy unless it's agreed upon ahead of time between players so no One is unprepared or salty. So I never get into the situation where the baneblade is unstoppable
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>>51376758
grav

fun option: dogpile it with dreadnoughts
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>>51376758
Grav guns, easy
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>>51375073
Just got this done yesterday, Slaanesh is <3
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For the Castellans of the Imperium detachment from Fall of Cadia, can I take Fast Attack Space Marine transports and put Troops choice Scion squads in them?
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What's the best way to deal with elites as CSM?
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>>51376828
Wow
That chair's seen some serious ass-sweat to degrade that far.
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>>51376828
are you a trap?
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>>51376829
why wouldn't you be able to, they're both in the castellans list
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>>51376871
yes, praise slaanesh
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>>51376828
>>51376871
That's a traps ass if I ever saw one
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>>51376828
>surrounding tissue not red at all
>zero texture or other skin irritation
Okay, who helped you and what else did you two do with the sharpie?
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>>51376871
Of course it's a trap, It's a Slaanesh worshiper for emperors sake!
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>>51376776
It'd be up to your opponent, but if he's not a dick then he should let you use them as conversion/counts as, as long as you identify what they count as.
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>>51376828
>getting a squatted degenerate gods symbol tattooed on ur ass
alexander put ur pants back on this instant, and stop wearing my lipstick.
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>>51376828
Hot!

I'm still trying to figure out where I want my genestealer cult wyrmform tattoo.
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>>51376828
>it's a man intensifies
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>>51376876
The list referential you put what ever you want

:^)


Making fun of marine players trying to put bikes as Troops in that formation
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>>51376870
It's five years old, and has lots of asses on it.

>>51376871
Am I that obvious? I guess the chances of a cisfemale posting in a 40k thread are extremely low.

>>51376890
Correct

>>51376891
>tfw don't have a passing ass

>>51376892
Lol, its totally real, anon, my ass is just good at taking a beating.
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>>51376892
AIDS supresses immune response
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>>51376690
Well, I am stretching my models very thin here. This is literally all I have, that I might be able to field this weekend.
Unless I want to take allied Space Marines
Or god forbid an Imperial Knight
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>>51376951
topkek
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>>51376936
>Lol, its totally real, anon, my ass is just good at taking a beating.
I'm not gonna believe that without further evidence.

Also clean up your room or take pictures somewhere else. It really ruins the mood.
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>>51376955
Nah, don't fret over it and go with the 1500. Just tell people ahead of time you've got a BANEBLADE so they don't freak out.
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>>51376936
>I guess the chances of a cisfemale posting in a 40k thread are extremely low.
Oh.
>returns to the shadows
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>>51376951
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>>51376936
>traps
>in my 40k general
unfunfunfunf
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>>51376983
I took a Knight to the last game so they know they're dealing with superheavies.
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How come there are no female genestealer cultists? Wouldn't it make sense, as they aren't recruiting for an army but just arming all members of a massive extended family?
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>>51376984
>returns to the shadows

Nid players, every time.
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>>51376776
Yeah so long as it's clear what they are. Those two are Rokkit Launcha Boyz.
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>>51377021
then go nuts

I'd certainly rather fight a baneblade. You don't see them as often.
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>>51377031
They are used for breeding, so you won't see them on the battlefield.
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>>51376837
Anyone?
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>>51377038
DLFG needs to grow a pair and put the tripcode back on.
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>>51377066
>breeding
And recruitment. I think it was in on of Cain's novels where a whole bunch of guardsmen got infected by strippers.
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>>51377031
There are, they are busy squeezing out abominations and with the variety of sizes and appendages those come with, not all many can walk after.
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>>51376813
>fun option: dogpile it with dreadnoughts
Not good.
NDK are S10 in melee. Glancing with a 2+ and most Dreads won't have an invulnerable. He's also I5 so swinging before.

Correct answer is Grav
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This may be obvious but the rule about a bike HQ allowing bikes as troops. Does that apply across the whole army or just the formation the HQ is in?
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>>51375523

What country? GW service is always amazing for me... I've had problems in the past with orders and they instantly fixed it. They sent me a 2nd copy of the lim edition genestealer cult codex because i had problems with the first... Sorry you're having issues tho
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>>51377072
Uhh... I really don't mean to be rude or trolling or anything but if you're playing CSM and want to stop losing the honest answer is - pick a different army. It might get better with some of the upcoming releases, but the way thing are now you really have the short end of the stick.
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>>51376951
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>>51377090
>He's also I5
aren't they only I4? or did that change
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>>51377072
Plasma
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>>51377083
I thought it worked the other way too though. That any female impregnated by a make cultist would produce a half-breed too
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How many nobz is to many nobz
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>>51377038
I mean.

C'mon.
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>>51377066
>They are used for breeding
Fucking goals.
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>>51377106
I stand corrected. They are I4. Its WS5* that I was thinking of.
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>>51375523
Normally a parcel should have a code / ID, they can look in the database if they have it at the postal branch or not. Did GW give you code of the package?
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>>51377104
CSM is toptier right now
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>>51377109
Left to right is impregnator and resulting offspring, loops at the end.
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>>51376901
Everyone kept telling me to get it as a tramp stamp, but I'm not a slut so I didn't think it was appropriate. The love handle accomplishes everything the tramp stamp would, without being a tramp stamp.

Shoulder blade, under the pectoral, or at the inset of the hip are all good easily coverable areas for a tattoo, as are the lovehandles ofc.

>>51376977
Why do you think I care?
I just wanted to show off my mark of Slaanesh.

>>51376900
If Slaanesh is squatted, why do I run a mono-slaanesh demon/csm army? Slaanesh isn't squatted in fantasy either, she's just locked in a torture dungeon with Tzeentch somewhere. Im very away Ill outlive the 40k franchise, that's irrelevant however, the tattoo will always mean the same thing to me.

>>51376984
Im just trying to feel better about my butt getting clocked.

>>51377003
Well, Im full time mtf, I used to call myself a trap but any other mtf would rage at me for using that label because it implies we're male or something. I don't wanna get into it, this isn't /lgbt/, I just wanted to show off my Mark of Slaanesh.
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>>51377107
If I can't get much plasma aside from obliterators would you advise allying with traitor guard for plasma?
>>51377104
The options you have with Nurgle actually make CSM good.
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>>51377166
Forgefiends bring plasma, as do havoks, bikers raptors, even chosen.
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>>51377120
1+

Unless you take them in a 'naut, of course.
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>>51377159
>but I'm not a slut so I didn't think it was appropriate
That makes exactly one of us.

> at the inset of the hip
I like this idea!
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>>51377196
sweet lord I kek'd
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>>51377159
>but I'm not a slut so I didn't think it was appropriate
>he said while posting his ass online on a blueboard completely unprovoked
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>>51377145
Yes, that is why you use a venerable dreadnought. He's only got four attacks, and if he's hitting on 4's chances are he won't actually kill a dread in one round.

There's absolutely nothing that can go wrong with this plan.
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>>51377196
This fucking meme.
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>>51377196
T!
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>>51377159
>Im just trying to feel better about my butt getting clocked.
It was the slaanesh tattoo that gave it away
also takes one to know one
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>>51377213
S/he had panties on, chill.
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>>51377213
This
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>>51377186
Do you normally have to field two forgefiends to disperse focus from shooting?
I have two heldrakes in my list which is alot of points for two very nerfed units. Would you suggest something else in their stead?
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>>51377197
Yeah, all areas to consider for something like that Id say.

>>51377213
She*, don't be mean.
Slaanesh is very /tg/ related
Im wearing underwear, you can't see anything you wouldn't see if it was a bikini instead
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>>51377159
>Why do you think I care?
Geez, man, not my fault you don't speak tsundere - would "just shut up and post more" be easier to understand?
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>>51377166
Are Rubrics an option? Haven't dealt with CSMs in ages.
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>>51376828
I too have a Slaanesh tattoo, it just takes up most of my back. Pic related is the exact one.
If Slaanesh is squatted, I'll be butt devestated but at least I'll feel something.
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>>51377153

The only one that makes babies the old fashioned way is the 4th gen on the far right
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>>51377096
It is GW hate boner towards SA.

Why I say that? Because when I bought things in the USA no problem, refunds without asking and resending things no problem.

Try to buy things from SA? Good god it is impossible.

I tested it. Sent a package to a PO box in Miami, then it got shipped here. All the process took less than two weeks. Bought the same thing but ship it here? It took 5 weeks.

Anyone in SA has to wait a lot due to GW hate towards the region.
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>>51377216
NDK:
4A, 4+ To Hit, 2 To Glance, 3+ To Pen = 1.33 Pens (with 1/6 chance to explode) + .33 Glances

V. Dread:
4A, 4+ To Hit, 2+ To Wound, and 5++/4++ Ro Save = .83-1.11 Unsaved Wounds
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>>51377267
They're still incredibly overpriced but are incredibly survivable. Less favored than Plague Marines in that regard but are psykers so the cost reflects the fact. Allying screamerstar is usually the way to go.
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>>51377281
That's more of a Nurgley thing to say.
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Plastic Sisters when?

Veridyan and Celestine need some mooks to lead into battle.
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>>51377256
I like the idea of having the GSC tattoo near my womb to mark my importance as a sacred breeder being used for abundant blessed offspring.
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>>51377294
>with 1/6 chance to explode
you'd also have to factor in the re-roll
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>>51377153
But what if any of the Abberants, Magus or such offspring is female? I wouldn't say its totally impossible, considering how unstable Genestealer DNA is. But I would assume most Intiates into.the cult ARE used for breeding.
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>>51377286
Different sources/eras of fluff disagree on that.

The current stuff doesn't go into detail but sort of implies that outside of Purestrains it's straight dicking all the way.
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>>51377310
You mean Vyridian. Celestine is an Imperium HQ that happens to have the AS faction.
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>>51377295
I mean, that's what I remember people using against heavy infantry and the like, so I figured for the original question it was worth a mention. Granted, it was usually just as easy to bog the enemy down with an ass-ton of Berzerkers.
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>>51377311
tfw no womb
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>>51377336

I don't have my codex but i thought it now states the cycles is they all use the kiss apart from the 4th gen...
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>>51377328
Aberrants are probably sterile, Magi are supposed to be universally male but I could see a rare female Magus mutant.
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>>51377356
YOU SLANEESHI FAGGOT THAT gave me a boner I BETRAYED MY GOD BECASUE OF YOU
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>>51377311
You haven't earned the right of such a mark until you're given first dozen for the cause.
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>>51377256
>She*
40kgeneral is about 40k, not LARPing.
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>>51377363
It only ever talks about the Kiss in reference to Purestrains.

It says the gen one hybrids "reproduce with newly hypnotized members of the Cult" which sounds to me like it's getting a little... messier.
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So I want to Khorne-ify my CCS, the only guys I painted before I decided I want to do LatD. What do apart from scratching imperial symbols/painting red? Im mostly bothered by the commander, I have no fucking idea how to make him khornate.
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>>51377385
being this autistic
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>>51377364
>I could see a rare female Magus mutant.
only take a little work.
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>>51377428
>being so obsessed with LARPing that you start horrifically mutilating yourself
>accuses others of having a mental illness
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>>51377356
You can always birth a sxc daemon with your unsanctioned witch brain instead.

>>51377379
I'd better get started then.
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>>51377345
I meant both of them. Veridyan because that's all she can lead (outside of Castellans detachment), and Celestine because the Sisters of the Order of the Martyred Lady that were lost in the warp need the Saint to lead them.

Fuck you I want to field an SoB army without needing 200lbs of pewter.
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>>51377443
Horatio
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MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
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>>51377475
A shit, Amoeba dominance
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I'm trying to outfit four undivided chaos terminators. Should I take a mix of combi-weapons and one power sword, power fist, chain fist, lightning claw or three reaper autocannons ?
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>>51377345
Celestine is an Imperial HQ from the Adepta Sororitas and is not fit to lead an army that's not part of the Ecclesiarchy.
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>>51377473
Chinaman or make your own. Is not like GW is supporting the army.

A single exlcusive model (that now is webstore thing due to demand) and Celestine in 20 fucking years is not support.
GSC for more an entire line of models after their last incarnation during 2nd.

GW does not care and only does stuff so they don't lose the IP.
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>>51377475
should I start buying battlefleet gothic models now before they skyrocket in price when battlefleet relaunches
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>>51377416
Just add some green stuff spikes and paint them brass. As for the commander, I dont know, maybe other anons can help.
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Thank god a warboss with a big choppa is the best option for a warboss right guys?
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>>51377510
You should read the rules.
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/tg/ please, I need to know!
Is Inquisitor Karamazov in plastic, metal or resin?
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>>51377532
Yes
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>>51377510
Combi weapons for termicide and power axes and a chainfist somewhere to keep the points down and for maximum efficiency.
If they're a retinue for a lord, it depends.
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>>51377532
>Inquisitor Karamazov
Look on GW's page you lazy sack.
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>>51377532
I mean metal you can strip easily
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>>51377466
That's the spirit!
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>>51377466
I approve, anon, stay classy.
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>>51377576
that looks so much like a chaos selfie
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>>51377514
I was thinking of getting some of those Grishnak ones, but in the event of a plastic release I'd like all them to look uniform.
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>>51377588
Renegades are still people, we need to express ourselves in an artistic way.
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>>51377532
Sold as resin
OOP as metal
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>>51377311
Pretty sure you're gonna end up biomatter regardless of your gender when the hive fleet arrives.

>>51377356
No periods, no pregnancy, let some stupid horny 16 year old take the fall for me, Im happy to adopt her kid and give it a good life whilst she's the one who has her hips permenantly deformed and has her life expectancy cut.

>>51377373
Give up your other god, join us, don't you want to be clean and feel pleasure again?

>>51377455
Take it to /pol/
I just wanna talk about Slaanesh.

>>51377281
That's too big for me, honestly, and I was really anxious about getting the tattoo, I didnt realize it would hurt not at all. So I got it small, and in a fleshy area.
Even if they did Squat Slaanesh in 40k, which like, they won't, not unless xxth black crusade is the end times- in which case we have bigger issues that Slaanesh getting squatted to worry about.
Either way, the mark of Slaanesh will never not mean "Hedonism"

>>51377230
<3
That makes me feel better, only people who recognize it will realize what it means
.
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Can I take multiple hellblades with the Air Superiority Detachment? Are hellblades a good alternative to the nerfed heldrake?
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>>51377576
I like how the one on the left has a tiny little chaindagger.
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>>51377590
We are waiting for a plastic release since third. Along with plastic trench coat guard that GW was releasing next year totally true guys.
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>>51377588
Memorabilia photographs are older than selfies. And war was no exception to taking them.
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>>51377638
take it to /lgbt/. i just want to talk about 40k
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>>51377638
NEVER SHALL I JOIN THE FORCES OF YOU PLEASURE SEEKERS, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR IT IN BATTLE
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Does Waylandgames ship to the US? I've seen people say they haven't in the past, but looking through their policies makes no mention of a restriction on shipping to the US.
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Is there a way to get synergy between AdMech armies and Black Templars? I have both and was wondering if there'd be a way to field them that would help each other out or complement their shortcomings.
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>>51377663
But anon them posting their body with a tattoo on it is totally relating to 40k. :^)
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>>51377638
>Pretty sure you're gonna end up biomatter regardless of your gender when the hive fleet arrives.
That's fine I've got a vore kink too.
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>>51377663
Slaanesh is 40k related. You seem like a buttmad conservacuck.
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>>51377667
I think it's a GW policy they won't let third party vendors ship outside the EEA, they can sell you non-GW stuff but nothing from the official range.
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>>51377662
thats from a movie?
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>>51377663
you don't seem to be talking about 40k very much though maybe you're too busy being triggered by slaanesh
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>>51377667
Just use a PO box thingy. Something for them to ship inside the UK and the company that got the shit shipped to them ships it to you in the USA.

Like you know every other countries has to do when facing random bans to ship to certain places.
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Why do mods forsake us time and time again and don't deliver an exterminatus when we need one?
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>>51377705
It is. Belorussian guerilla vs Nazis.
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>>51377716
slannesh is getting squatted this month. IRL and in 40k.
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>>51377731
Relax. Attention whoring is not bannable offense and if it were we would soon have no thread and perhaps no board whatsoever.

And you can live through one image of clothed butt, right? Cute one at that...
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>>51377638
>>51377576
>>51377557
>>51377373
>>51377356
>>51377230
Assorted heretics and mutants who wanna chat about random maybe 40k-related maybe-lewd topics welcome: https://discord.gg/wJFrb
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>>51377656
A new Canoness and Celestine show promise though.
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>>51377663
>Mark of Slaanesh not related to 40k
You're an idiot.

>>51377665
Don't you want to be the perfect warrior? To make every stride and swing of your blade the best there ever was? And then don't you want to come back to a harem after the battle?

>>51377680
If you go with the tyranids, you satisfy that vore fetish once and then its over.
You come with us, and we can help you relive it over and over again.
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>>51377755
Long live the horned rat
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>>51377802
THE ONLY THING I WANT TO COME BACK IS THE THRILL OF THE FIGHT, AND THE RUSH OF THE CHALLENGE. ONLY SLAANESHI FOOLS SEEK PERFECTION, NOT IMPROVING ONES SKILLS THROUGH BATTLE
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>>51377767
Ironic tranny shitposting is still shitposting and unrelated to 40k. "It's Slaanesh so it's okay" is as much of an excuse as starting a lengthy discussion about bowel movements and what kinds of shit you like the most or posting random thugs beating each other up on the street and then labeling them as Nurgle or Khorne discussion.
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>>51377829
nah the emperor is going to kill the horned rat too
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>>51377865
New thread
>>51377865
The emperor protects
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>>51377546
>>51377554
>>51377609
Thanks
>>51377552
Calm down Kevin, their site is not loading for some reason
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>>51377787
Like someone said many month ago:

"Till I can shove a plastic SoB into a drunken college girl's ass, I won't believe any rumor"

By plastic SoB it means at least a basic troop choice.
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>>51377871
>posting random thugs beating each other up on the street and then labeling them as ... Khorne discussion.
We had that yesterday, and they were labeled paladins. Or one of them anyway, I wasn't really paying close attention.
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>>51377915
If they are gonna be as over-decorated as the rest of the recent releases I would advocate strongly against this course of action.
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>>51377675
Admech brings great threatening distraction units and good firepower, giving some support to Templars in taken some fire off them so they can reach the front line, where units may be battered due to admech fire.
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>>51375215
Daily reminder that metal fags are sexually repressed, stinky fat guys with long stinky hait, who dream of being cool
so yeah, Slaneesh worshippers
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>>51375215
>Hardcore
>Not Noise like Prurient or Merzbow
>Not even Marilyn Manson style Industrial rock about sex, drugs, and depravity

2/10.
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>>51375876
>GW mails your package
>Postal company are incompetent and lose your order
>FUCKING GW ARE UNPROFESSIONAL
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>>51376065
Yeah GW should make transfer sheets for all of the 100s of chapters just in case someone collects them, and they should all be free in the tactical box
or you could stop being shit at this hobby, and print off your own transfers, you cunt
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>>51376093
Because it suits them.
Maybe the Inquisitor fucked up, so they blamed the chapter instead.
I get why you are asking, you have no imagination, though in that case don't make "your dudes", just stick to the books.
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>>51376192
Illegal list, can't have allied detachment of the same army
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>>51377576
That picture.
>Implying I'm supposed to be intimated by them killing a guardsman
>Implying said guardsmen didn't deserve to be executed for letting himself get captured in the first place.

All those heretics did was save a commissar the bolter round.
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>>51375607
Please tell me your DEldar hail from the Hall of Anal Devistation (sic).
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>>51375607
You cant use dark lances in a transport without snap firing
Take a splinter cannon the kabalites, itll be more benefital as itll benefit form a raiders splinter racks, which you should take, and a nightshield which is what you want for a juicy 3+ jink
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