/swg/ - Is He, Dare I Say It, Our Guy? Edition

>>51371259
>looks more real than Rogue One

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Question I am getting read to DM my first swrpg EoE game. One of my good friends is a notorious powergamer if not outright munchkiner. What are some combinations I should be on the look out for if not outright ban him from playing?

Requesting gif of Grevious getting btfo by gungans please.

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>>51371317
How many fucking lightsabers do you need on one weapon? God damn.

>>51371317
Droid-Marauder-Gadgeteer. I've got a guy in my game with 12 soak and 5 defense, the only way I'd be able to actually harm the guy is with ultra-focused marksmen or high ranked Unleash power.

>>51371317
Outlaw tech - any crafting class
Trader - Quartermaster

>>51371317
Gadgeteer+Heavy Blaster Rifle
Marauder can be cheesed as well
Any crafting focused build that he tries to cheese with droid minion groups and time abuse.

>>51371388
Hmm that does sound nasty. Is there anything else?
>>51371435
Interesting if it helps this guy only does combat classes so I won't have to worry about her breaking the economy.

>>51371557
What books do you or him have access to? Be wary of Marauders and Gadgeteers, therein lies the cheese. The Heavy in Dangerous Covenants might be a nasty thing to have in combo with Gadgeteer for the auto-fire buffs.

>>51371557
letting her lay hands on a weapon with Autofire without nerfing that quality beforehand is a recipe for a goddamn cheesy horrorshow, twice as much if there's a modification-focused class on hand

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>>51371557
>this guy
>her

The Autofire property can be problematic, but you should be able to handle it.

>>51371317
>>51371557

If they only do combat classes, you have very little to worry about. Most of the cheese comes from crafting and weapon upgrades.

Now, if there's a party member doing the crafting for him, there may be a problem...

>>51371303
Honestly I don't get people's problem with cg-tarkin. Once I got over the initial shock of seeing him on screen in 2016, I wasn't even thinking about it.

>>51371602
The big thing I think to limit is jury-rigging with sunder and autofire, possibly also concussive.

>>51371598
>>51371602
She lurks here so I was using him not to draw and but I fucked up. I will be wary of autofire than.
>>51371594
Knowing her she probably has access to all of them. Personally I have only read Age and Edge and haven't delved to deeply into the supplements.

>>51371626
It looked better than episode 2, but it also wasn't nearly "real". It didn't really hurt the movie for me as much as make it obvious that CG just isn't quite there yet.

>>51371626
It looked awful and jarring to me but tolerance for CGI varies pretty heavily from person to person.

>>51371652
I agree, but it wasn't as bad as people make out. I guess they just haven't nailed eyes or something

>>51371672
I think it's skin for me, I always notice how CG skin is different from others.

>>51371614
Ok I asked her what she was planning and she said a gadgeteer bounty hunter. I asked if she was gonna cross class but she claims that she doesn't know yet. My other players will be a spy a smuggler and a commander.

>>51371388
or a thermal detonator.

>>51371688
Ask her what kind of weapons she plans on using as a Gadgeteer

>>51371672
same here Anon. I thought he was great. Nearly fell off of my chair.

Guys, this is an imageboard. Post interesting shit with your posts. Try and use up the bandwidth.

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>>51371718
And just as I say that the damn image doesn't attach.

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>>51371718
As you wish

>>51371736

Confirmed to be the Chimera by Pablo

>>51371684
It was his clothes and lip movement for me. His jacket didn't crease like proper cloth and his lips never synced quite right.

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>>51371701
Repeater carbines

>>51371763
The body was a real dude though wasn't it? I thought it was just his head that was CGI.

>>51371388
Try using those carbonate droids from Force Unleashed II to stun him. Idk if it'll work since I still haven't played FFG RPGs, but if you turn him to cement you're golden.

>>51371259
Is there some good Old EU in-depth stuff on Tarkin that would paint a picture and really help me understand him as a character?

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>>51371770
looks cheesy to me

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The starship "Wanda" has been mostly blocked out. It's hideous, but impressive at the same time.

The original model was symmetrical with two weapons pods, but the ship was "refitted" with a hideous blister and a cargo pod. The fact that the second weapons pod was shot off and the ship was salvaged has been carefully removed from the sale paperwork.

>>51371259
>Is He, Dare I Say It, Our Guy?

>tfw no SW miniatures wargaming

I guess one could use Rogue Stars and some Imperial Assault miniatures, though.

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>>51371912
The engine has also been modified. The four safety vents (two top, two bottom) have been refitted to act as retrothrusters. The ship's main drive has never been particularly stable. Catastrophic misfires can result in "Wanda" flying backwards at great speed.

In the hands of a skilled pilot, the retrothrusters can turn the ship into a fearsome dogfighter, capable of flipping on the spot or corkscrewing like mad. While it will never outrun a TIE fighter it can almost certainly outturn it.

This is very, very important considering the ship's weapons...

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>>51371935
The turbolaser mounted on the starboard side looks impressive, but it's an older model that requires a built-in heat sink. Still, it can vaporize a shielded fighter in a single hit or bother a capital ship.

The weapon is not turreted and has no tracking ability. The pilot and the gunner must work together very closely to hit a moving target.

To help with the limited firing arc, a turret-mounted laser has been bolted to the top of the pod. The traverse is jammed (in fact, it was never functional), so the laser can fire forward or backwards but nowhere else.

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>>51371972
The cargo module isn't enormous but it can hold a few standard shipping crates. The front is hinged. The pod is connected to the ship by a crawlway airlock.

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>>51371804
>that would paint a picture
Here you go, anon.

>>51371804
Tarkin was basically an old EU novel that got delayed for nucanon, but it's worth a read

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>>51371985
The upper deck contains the bridge, two staterooms (which are no longer used for anything like their original purpose), the ship's hyperdrive, and a few alcoves of uncertain use.

The open section in the centre will eventually contain some additional machinery, but there are no handrails on the starship "Wanda".

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>>51372012
The hyperdrive room also contains the ship's dorsal airlock and scanner tower.

It also contains Ed (the Hutt) from time to time.

Ed is not pleased that he's become the ship's navigator, but apparently nobody else can do math.

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>>51372040
"Wanda" was built by a 4 foot high race of six-limbed climbing creatures. When it was retrofitted and resold, the climbing web was replaced with an extremely dangerous staircase. Humanoid creatures risk breaking their leg or cracking their heads with every step. Ed has also coated the stairs in Hutt mucus.

The ship's decks are also shorter than the usual humanoid standard. The brochure said it was "cozy".

I’m gonna be running an EotE game soon. No idea what the players are going to be playing, so we’re gonna do a character creation session/game discussion to start off. However, I’d like to throw in a little tiny adventure/encounter at the end, probably something that’d take an hour or two at most. I was thinking of having their ship accidentally send them to the wrong place and they receive a distress signal there with a couple of different options depending on how I see the party. For example, if it’s a non-combat heavy party, they might find an abandoned settlement or an old ship that was never seen to. If it’s a more combat heavy party, it could be a trap set up by pirates or something. Any cool ideas for little encounters that I could use?

>>51372067
Have you looked at the back of the book?

>>51372067
If the pcs are combat heavy you can send them to a small imperial weapons testing facility and maybe allow some of the pcs get some experimental imperial weapons that might just exploud when fired.

>>51372067
If you're comfortable enough, I'd skip the whole "tiny adventure" intro and go straight to the main plot.

If the tiny adventure is the lead-in, that's fine, but don't make it meaningless.

For any adventure, you need to set:
The Conflict: Why are the PCs here? They aren't just here to look at the scenery. What's going on? What can they do about it?

The Connections: What elements of your story are present here?

The Resolution: What steps can the PCs take to advance the plot? What elements can be exploited? You shouldn't have a "right answer" in mind, but you should have at least one possible answer. Let the game decide what the real answer is.

For intro sessions, make sure each PC has a one-on-one conversation with every other PC, to start to establish relationships and roles.

>>51372040
>
Ed is not pleased that he's become the ship's navigator, but apparently nobody else can do math.
that's hilarious

>>51372067
I had my group break into a starship hangar to steal their ship, and gave them several options. I used old B1s for the enemy mooks.

>>51372082
That's a bit involved for just a quick single-scene type thing, I think.

>>51372067
They board the ship, and find a gaggle of old B1 battledroids trying to take it over (poorly). The players have to put out/avoid fires and other ship damage, give medical ssistance to some crewmembers, all while battling with the rogue droids.

>>51372111
I’d like to find some way to make the tiny adventure relevant to the plot, but no one has really communicated what kind of character/game they want to play. So I’m reluctant to really write the main plot before knowing any of that.

>>51372082
I’ve run Trouble Brewing before, didn’t really care for it.


>>51372099
>>51372112
>>51372115
thanks for the ideas anons.

>>51372112
Ed (the Hutt) is a pretty darn good PC.

Ed can't shoot. Ed doesn't understand the value of technology, but hoards interesting parts to sell. Ed is bad at selling things.

But Ed is also extremely fit (for a Hutt), due to his former lifestyle as an agricultural slave, extremely loyal, and... Ed can bite the head off a stormtrooper.

Do you know about owl pellets? Owls hork up all the indigestible bits of bone and fur in big, sticky pills.

Imagine Hutt pellets made of stormtrooper armour, bones, bits of food wrapping, and tin cans. They're also the size of a toddler.

>>51372150
If no one has a set idea, go by preferences of your game group.

Cinematic? Heroic? Hilarious? Serious? Exploratory? Idealistic? Profit-Seeking?

Pick a few ideas and build a framework from there.

And pick a setting, time period, and starting location too - it will help them focus their ideas.

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>>51372156
The other PCs are B4-S1L, a protocol droid now fluent in over six million forms of murder, Omi Palova, a Twi'lek used starship salesperson who is way, way too trusting, and Korben, a bounty hunter who may or may not be exiled royalty.

They are also, completely by accident, heroes of the Rebellion.

And they just, again, completely by accident, stole a lightsaber from an Imperial Inquisitor.

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What sort of interesting vehicles would you expect on an Outer Ring racing circuit?

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>>51372314
Pod racers. Each one is a complete custom job.

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>>51372382
Oh yeah. Derp.

The PCs are heading to a planet with a lot of salt flats. I suspect podracing is going to be considerably quicker than usual.

>>51372314
>>51372391
if it's salt flats, why not wheeled ground vehicles with starfighter engines crammed in for 100% Kamikaze maximum-speed drag racing?

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>>51372391
Don't forget the most important part. Hostile wildlife.

>>51372410
i guess they dont want to touch the ground

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>>51372410
What are these "wheel" things of which you speak?

>>51371626
Same, when I saw Peter Cushing resurrected in CGI, the audience heard a softly whispered yes from the center of the theater.

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>>51372489
when my theater saw carrie fisher, i could hear cheering and wooing

>>51372497
God damn was Bendak Starkiller a bitch to fight as a non soldier class.

I know it's never going to happen but after watching a bunch of Clone Wars I'd really like to see a one-off Clone War era box set for X-wing. Maybe Grievous' starfighter and a swarm of 5-6 Vulture or tri-fighter droids against a pair of Actis or Aethersprites and 2-3 ARCs, Torrents or V-wings. Kind of like a core set but scaled up to a full sized game worth of ships or maybe a little over that. I wouldn't even care if everything was balanced against the rest of X-wing, in fact it would probably be better if it wasn't since I don't know how many more general purpose fighters the game can support without excessive overlap and it would let them have more freedom to just make really interesting things without having to worry about breaking the entire system with any of it.

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>>51372675
maybe check shapeways or something.

>>51372507
I saw Rogue One right after Fisher's death. The only thing I did at that scene was bawl my eyes out.

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>>51372410
This guy gets it

>>51371259
Any news on No Disintegrations scans?

since the OT was made in the 70s, what career would you suggest for a easy going cool cat disco dan type character?

>>51372997
Administrator of Cloud City.

>>51371317
Honestly, people make too big off an issue out of the autofire and jurry rigged combo.

if she goes that path just put a force sensitive nemesis with a lightsaber in front with 4-5 ranks in reflect. adversaries don't pay strain to use parry/reflect so you will be reducing each hit she does by 6-7 damage, which would then be reduced further by soak.

Also the adversary talent adds upgrades to any combat checks targeting the npc with it a number of time equal to its rating. eventually they will roll despairs. when they do mess with their weapons or their overall plans.

Unless I intend for my players to steamroll a group in combat, i have every rival with 1 and every nemesis with 2 ranks (at the very least for both cases, probably more if they have a bit of xp under their belt)

I find that the system gives the GM enough tools to make even munchkins a minor annoyance at worst, so if she wants to play a character that's deadly in combat, let her. Combat is only one aspect of it.

Oh, another thing, if soak becomes a problem, the stun quality does strain damage that ignores soak.

>>51373052
could lando boogie?

Edge of the Empire question: if you were a GM would you allow technicians to craft items during character creation? If yes just for him or for the whole party?
I personally think crafting rules are a lot of fun and would probably allow the technician to design his own wacky stuff with random properties but wouldn't probably allow it for the whole partty.

>>51373329
definitely would allow him to craft whatever he wants, so long as he sticks to his starting budget.

as for if he could craft for other players, that depends whether it makes sense from a background perspective. How long have the characters known each other? Do they even know each other?

If they don't know each other at all, no.
If they are part of the same crew or group for at least a couple months, then sure.

>>51373229
Could he?!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOUW-sALp4s

I'm not sure if its stated anywhere but how long is the operational life of an astromech?

>>51373422
R2 is 60 years old, although he probably outlived his warranty

>>51373422
long as you keep repairing it?

>>51373422
Depends on how well/often it gets maintenance.
In theory its Infinite given regular care.

>>51373422
Apparently 40+ years if R2D2 is an example.

>>51373444
>>51373450
R2-D2 is pretty obviously a non-standard R2 unit. Also, he spent a pretty long time in hibernation leading up to and during TFA.

Also even if you're consistently replacing old parts you're going to have to replace its memory banks sooner or later and you'll be looking at a Ship of Theseus sooner or later.

>>51373444
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>>51373448
>>51373450
Well I'm considering making a R5 in EotE who is ~40 would that be too old for a droid that isn't frequently repaired?

>>51373506
>isnt frequently repaired
thats the hard part, isnt it
even if your astromech was built like an AK, someone is gonna have to tune it up eventually

otherwise, 40 year old tech makes sense as long as the astromech still fits in astromech slots

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>>51373485
>They don't kill Luke
>They give R2 droid Alzheimer's because his memory core is finally burning out

>>51373506
Nah, just blame personality quirks on a faulty motivator and irregular memory wipes.

>>51373517
is it possible to back up a memory core?

>>51373485
The point of the Ship of Theseus is that you can't tell the difference or it's functionally identical.

>>51373536
Yes. It's still an astromech doing all the things it could do, but all the parts and possibly the personality have changed.

>>51373522
If it works like hard drives and memory sticks? Yes.
If it works on magic moonbeams and techno magic?
Then the amount of situational drama or it's need dictates the answer.

>>51373542
Almost like a human's personality changing as they grow older.

>>51371259
Cushing was a proper mini gamer before it was cool.

>>51373485
Surely C-3PO should also suffer from the same effects? Though he seems exactly as he was.

>>51373625
He's been memory wiped at least once maybe twice, as I recall.

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Think there are some ugly ships out there? Show us you can do it better! Take one shape from every page and make a monster.

Anybody here used to play Star Wars miniatures?

>>51372675
Looking at shapeways has taught me that the Clone Wars era ships are much, much smaller then the GCW ships. They looks wierd next to each other.

>>51372571

I spammed grenades as a scout, but then again, I played a tonload of pazaak aswell, So I was already cheating.

>>51373625
C-3P0 was a very special custom job and probably has more non-original parts than his red arm.

>>51371763
Those were literally the only non-cgi parts of him :D

>all these people crying about nerfing autofire
>not nerfing critmonsters
It might be my fault for ruling you can multi-crit minion groups and slaughter them that way, but fuck you it's fun, my problem is killing shit like the broken Basilisk in Lost Knowledge within two turns

>>51374662
Yeah, action economy can be a bitch.

maybe give adversaries you don't want to die so fast 2-3 ranks in durable?

>>51374703
That's what I've been doing in the aftermath of the Basilisk. I may be biased in autofire's favour; I used it pretty extensively in an Old Republic game a while ago.

Oh well, my players are going to get a harsh lesson in power if they finally get picked to raid the Tarkin. Or have to do a supply run to the Vergesso. Or any other ways I can have them bump into the Emperor's favourite Kath hound[/sub]

>>51371665
Have you ever seen the galaxy/dove chocolate commercial with Audrey Hepburn? Because that entire commercial was CGI and was beyond expertly done

>>51371924
Dropzone Star Wars when?

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>>51374662
>Tfw playing a Droid hired gun
>Upgraded cybereyes give me auto advantage on Ranged Heavy and Gunnery rolls
>My heavy blaster rifle has a laser pointer on it for +1 advantage
>mfw I can auto-autofire on attack rolls

>>51374964
I did the exact same
>Hutt Heavy with a Superior heavy repeater
>Retinal tracker implant that adds a free advantage to Gunnery and Ranged Heavy
And to make things even sillier:
>Deadly Accuracy and five ranks of Gunnery to offset how shit my Agility was early on

>>51374993

Throw in some ranks of True Aim for even more lulz.

>>51374885
>Landing Pad Commander

>>51375013
Never got that, but I think one of the modifications we had on our ship did that. Kinda sad we didn't do more ship combat, between his sideline in Leadership (Squads and Squadrons rules were fun for him, too) and Gunnery skills it'd have been a great time for my character to shine

>>51375069

Yeah, Heavies have to spec out to pick up True Aim, because otherwise they'd just be plain too nutso murder-machines. I'm convinced that, pound for pound, it's the best combat-related talent in the game.

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>>51375143
I specced out for Deadly Accuracy through Mercenary Soldier. Probably actually had True Aim too, but since both it and Rain of Death need a manoever to activate I typically went for RoD, especially since losing strain was one of the only ways to fuck me over by campaign's end. I once got set on fire by a direct flame projector hit and took zero damage from the entire thing.
Apparently Command ranks from both MS and Peacekeeper stack. I was a great frontline commander as well as combat beatstick

Pic unrelated.

Rakghoul subplot yay or nay?
How would you do it without it basically being RIP for the party?

>>51375476
There's a cure dating from at least the time of Revan, whether it survived Taris' destruction is another matter

>>51375546
>>51375476
Let's say it did but is buried under the rubble, and some rakghoul specimens who were kept in stasis have been unleashed. In the bowels of Coruscant.
Now you've got a thing for the players to try to contain the outbreak and hop through the galaxy in search of a cure.

>>51375576
Depending on the time period of the game, the GM could also throw in an added twist: the modern strain(s) of the virus are mutated versions of the original, so the KOTOR cure might not be as effective anymore. Then the players would have to figure out how to properly modify the cure to adapt to the new virus(es).

>>51375576
Taris was finally fixed up again shortly after the Battle of Hoth though. Doesn't really work for a GCW-era game, although for Clone Wars or earlier stuff, go nuts
There's worse shit than rakghouls in the lower levels of places like Coruscant and Nar Shaddaa. Rakghouls can't think like, say, insane droids can

>>51375775
Insane droids don't breed or infect other sapient species at an astonishing rate.

>>51375775
It can work if you spin its revival as another Imperial superweapon experiment. Imp agents explored the ruins before Hoth/during the reconstruction, captured and preserved a strain of the virus, and sent it to an off-world lab. The Wraith Squadron novels even showed that Imps store pathogen samples in biological research labs or hospitals (can't remember which).

>>51375874
Research labs. Perhaps my players should encounter Bunkerd Sewer Disorder sometime...

>>51375833
They could "breed". Just give them an astromech and a lot of salvageable parts.

>>51373705
Yes. Hated the random boosters. Never did get all the stormtroopers i wanted.

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So, I've got starter of Armada, painted my fighters, customized ships a little bit, ran a few games with friends and now I want to dive deeper into the game. What sould be my next step? I love Victories and Imperials but I'm kind of afraid to make unplanned buys because the models are pretty expensive.

>>51376135
What's your current fleet? ISDs are great fun but paying near a hundo for one is pretty obscene.

>>51376135
>What sould be my next step?
Buy into X-wing

>>51376135
As a rebel you can easily keep the train rolling with small ships and xwings. I play fine with 2 nebulons, 3 correllian corvettes and a liberty, as well as all the xwings i can bring (3 per nedulon and 2? Per corvette)

>>51376175
Starter box only.
>>51376184
But I love big ships.

>>51376175
Near a hundred? Goddamn even at my local B&N they are 50$ ish

>>51376175
>near a hundo
They're under $50...

Wait, are you an aussie?

If the X-wing was a modern fighter what would it be? I am guessing a f22.

>>51376236
Irish. My FLGS has ISDs for 95 yoyos.

>>51376316
I thought Irish currency was unopened bottles of whiskey

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/swg/ i have a game plot question for an EoE game im running, and i wanted some advice.

The players need to infiltrate the Imperial navy to investigate super projects, namley the availability of Executor class SSDs to the Empire's war machine.

They have captured a Gonzati class supply freighter, and 'liberated' the cargo. In doing so they killed the crew, and recovered their personell records from the ship's computer.

My question is: is this enough info (plus some uniforms) to impersonate the crew and get reassigned? Do you think a military the size of the empire would have picture ID or just, name rank, and serial? One or two LtJg here or there?

We know they dont really check or change authentication codes...

>>51376332
>unopened
Now what would be the point of keeping my whiskey closed?

>>51376316
>charging double MSRP
Nobody actually buys from that shop, do they?

>>51376332
Now look here boyo I don't take kindly to your false stereotypes

>>51376365
They've hit and miss. Like they'd have 40k stuff for near half price but then they'd double up on certain niche games. They apparently make 90% of their money on MTG.

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>>51376358
Generally its enough to give some substantial bonuses, plus sometimes a few more for good roleplaying.
So that will usually be enough to have someone unskilled be able to waltz through most cursory inspections... I mean fuck, you switch the lights on in most supply areas and the residents scuttle out of the light to continue shirking their existence somewhere deep behind the boxes.

Actually getting somewhere important where they will come under scrutiny is maybe a whole other matter and generally anyone who isn't able to skilfully bluff their way past or doesn't have the exact clearances to be somewhere important- that can go to shit really quickly. Think of a workplace that's largely secular, you stick the new guy(s) in there and they stand out like dogs balls, even if they aren't immediately challenged with a 'who the fuck are you', they're going to be noticed.

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>>51376466
Well fuck, used the same image and not the one I meant to.

But I'm running on 3hr sleep and tomorrow is looking to be a loooooong day.

>>51376466
That is a fantastic point. I figured that we never really see picture IDs and that if the players have good bonuses due to having their impostee's records and code cylanders and the like, that they might be fast tracked to a fleet posting due to "service in field against the rebel menace" so that they could get posted to Rothana or Kuat or Fondor, shipyards that could produce SSDs and search the records for any large expenditures.

Im even considering letting them find a "project stardust 2" that they would then have to turn over to a bothan cell to return to the Rebellion and not realizing that they tipped their hand (thus the many death figure that Monmothma mentions)

I just needed a sounding board for my ideas.

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How greatly would a force user's power be affected by extensive cybernetics? I know that Anakin only managed to stay so strong in the force being the chosen one, but how would a normal Knight fare? Not to the scale of Vader, but close to it

>>51376899
They'd be roboman instead of wizardman

What are some new X-wing ships we might see in waves XI and XII?
Any chance at more Huge ships?
How about Snowspeeders?

>>51376899
This isn't shadowrun, there's no real rule for cybernetics interfering with the force. Sure, Star Wars kinda has a pseudo-Luddite feel to it. More machine than man, Yoda lives somewhere natural even if it's not pretty, Yavin IV is forested and the good guy's base, we always see Imperials surrounded by smooth cold technology, villains gain power through superweapons made from technology while heroes gain power from friends and the force, etc. But overall, If Grievous was force sensitive prior to cyborgification, there's no reason even he would be hampered by his loss of bodily parts.
Unless you're incorporating midichlorians into your question, in which case die in a fire

>>51376135
If you love Victories, the Arquitens expansion is damn near necessary, Minister Tua to give them a Defensive slot and JJ to make them e-brake so they can actually front-arc something.

>>51372453
Not him, but maybe something like Grevious' bike?

>>51376855
Its one area where the old, generic industrial droid comes into their own-
>They're everywhere
>No one gives a fuck because they're not people
>A droid poking a scomp port is rarely noticed

Its a bit hard to pretend to be an Imperial when you're a hulking trandoshan and its even less likely to fool anyone if you're a wookie in uniform. Large traffic areas like a supply depot or even just wandering around various spaceports or customs areas as a human/mostly human in an imperial uniform I doubt anyone would bother unless some officer was putting a fire under the minions to get them being security conscious.
But even they give up and stop giving a damn when its really busy.

>>51377037
>>51376899

In Rise of the Dark lord it goes into the issues Vader has being cybernetic, he can't force lightning someone for example as you need real hands/fingers to do it.

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>>51377133
>he can't force lightning someone for example as you need real hands/fingers to do it
Good thing there's cybernetics for that.

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>>51377155

>>51377133
>Rise of the Dark Lord
>A Del Ray book
>Caring about the fucks who ruined the EU

>>51377155
>Dark greetings

I will never be able to take this seriously.

>>51377130
This is another good point. Luckily there are no non-humans since my players are all boring.

i do have a cocky young slicer who is also really really really good at cards, andd sort of acts as the face, though hes an ass.

I have an older pilot, who was a former Republic frigate pilot that left after the battle of coroscaunt [spelling?] when his Consular class almost got shot out from under him. Hes the real mvp for the group since he knows military life and has 'old buddies' ive let him roleplay into with the rebellion.

>Riekaan? What are you a general now? Last time i saw you you and i were chasing pirates out of the crowl nebulae!

The third is a human fighter/sabatuer that follows the pilot around as both body guard and employee. Hes the copilot for the pilot and a "young back" though he also has a military background, no one has yet guessed his former imperial ties, though his home planet of Alderaan is now gone along with his loyalty to the state.

I have two more, but character limit is a bitch.

>>51377133
Yeah, that's fucking stupid.

People who aren't fucking morons ignore it when authors try tossing in arbitrary restrictions like that.

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>>51377375
>Wahh my super special OC can't use force lightning through my custom super strong bionic arm that can lift 100 tons!!!

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>>51377337
It's been said before and I'll say it again: Star Wars is at its best when it's outrageously silly.

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>>51377425

>>51377425
There is silly and then there is Jedi Prince.

>>51377375
When did Vader ever use force lightning anon?

>>51377414
this.

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>>51377462
God bless the crazy motherfuckers behind that series.

>>51371749
Well that's depressing. No stache for nucanon.

>>51376332
>somebody from a different country
>better google the most obvious slur for their nationality

Fuck off back to /pol/. The paddy isn't even being obnoxious, just responding to a question.

>>51371259
How do I stop all my players from wanting laminate armor?

>>51377564
Making it cost more than they can afford.

>>51377366
Part 2

I have a female mercenary who is really just bound to the money shes paid, though she only deals with concrete material wealth, since shes been cheated in the past out of payment. She probably won't sell out the group, since while the imperials talk big, they dont spend big.

The last is somewhat the real face of the party. Hes a former son of a duke/count/viscount for a midrim planetary family within the Imperial Banking Authority. He was disowned after he kept making 'strange things happen' and his superstitious, but not very caring, mother disowned him. He finds that talking to people is really easy, and that he is very good at reading peoples emotions and body language, to gauge their state. He is also quite good at convincing people, and is somewhat dangerous when he gets too emotional. He is the only player who can beat the slicer at cards. He convinced the party hes really lucky, but in reality its force sensetivity, with no formal training.

Im considering trying to play those two against the party by introducing an Imperial hand or Inquisitor to the situation, juat to see if they will fold for control. The kid is somewhat snowflake, but he doesnt act like the animu edgelord people usually expect, instead he and i trade occasional DM notes, and he makes some ambiguous rolls now and again. Its going to be weird if he atarts metagaming, but so far he has been really good about it.

I feel like making the team the senior surviving Officers of a Gonzati will fit in nicley, with the old guy as the CO and the copilot as the XO with the slicer being the chief navigator or intelligence officer and the merc as the SecOff and the force user maybe be a fresh from the academy ensign.

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>>51377456
Jawas are better

>>51377010
>Snowspeeders?

I'd think eventually give that the Striker has an identical role.

>Huge ships

It honestly depends how well the Croc does, they bundled it with Jabba so people might still buy its stuff for standard like the Imps did for Palp.
They can get away with it because scum supposed really wanted one but if they keep putting essential cards in huge ship packs people will get angry (epic play still doesn't see light even though we all own the models now).

>>51377786
>epic play still doesn't see light even though we all own the models now
I honestly don't know why this is. Besides the obvious that most tourney series have too many competitors for Epic to play out in a timely fashion. But even friendly games of epic are fucking rare.

I'm trying to join a campaign soon, but I'm having trouble looking for art. Anyone know where to find pictures of people using vibroswords, and not lightsabers?

>>51377786
>epic play still doesn't see light even though we all own the models now

As a side note, I own every huge ship in the game and only played epic like 3 times and it wasn't every enjoyable.
You are literally better just playing bigger games with smaller ships (which anyone can do anyway).

>>51377564

You can't. They can want something all they want, but that doesn't guarantee they can get it.

Alternatively, make them hunger after defense dice like a spice addict locked in a box for a month. That will encourage them to think about what armour they want to wear.

>>51377842
>But even friendly games of epic are fucking rare.

The mode is butts, it takes too long and big ships/named pilots are more of a liability than help.
Even friendly games are relatively dull.

I would and could rather play 3 standard games in the same amount of time and they would have more variety.

>>51377866
What is google dumbass? Do you want us to wipe your ass for you as well?

>>51377950
Can't find shit on google, hence the asking. I figured you'd assume that.

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>>51377866
>vibroswords
Vibroswords don't look much different from other swords. Just take an image of any dude with a sword.

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>>51378028
That's funny because I typed vibrosword into google images and got over a 5 pages of hits so either you are dumb as bricks, lazy, lying or all three.

>>51378226
Yeah, five pages of vibroswords with no one holding them. Looking for character art man, not pictures of fucking swords.

>>51377867
Only time I've liked epic play was for HotAC, when it's still long and ridiculous, but that's late game HotAC

>>51378249
Than use your power of reasoning and add character wielding vibrosword into the search field. This is the last time I spoonfeed you so don't bother replying.

>>51378299
>this is what he thinks spoonfeeding is

>>51373625
C-3P0 had a memory wipe, and also was upgraded before TFA to know even more languages. Plus he's a protocol droid. He's not designed for starship maintenance and heavy duties.

On the other side: R2 has NEVER been wiped. The visual guide for TFA specifically says his processing power can't keep up with modern astromechs and instead of being recycled the Resistance granted him retirement as thanks for his services over the years. R2 goes into low power mode after Luke goes missing to de-frag his memories, because he's been in uninterrupted operation for decades, which causes him to "dream" about his past adventures (Imagine trying to defrag decades worth of data!) . When BB-8 talks to him on D'Qar, R2 hears him and starts looking for the map (which he downloaded from the Death Star in ANH along with the entire Imperial Network).

>>51378331
What I want to know is why in TFA are they still using and only using X-Wings 30 years after Yavin. 10 years after WW2 we went from mono propeller planes to jet engines. They didn't even bring dedicated bombers to destroy an entire planet. Also same goes for the first order and only using TIEs

>>51378489
They're new models. Not even the very latest.

>>51378489
The T-70's used by the Resistance are old models the New Republic didn't want anymore. Basically: Easy surplus. The NR uses T-80s and possibly other ships that are probably all blown up now.

If it makes you feel better there is an A-Wing in Poe's Squad in the Poe comic.

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>>51378539
>>51378560
So even the New Republic are still using X-Wings? Even if they are newer you would think that they would have designed something newer and better to replace it. During the clone wars even the Jedi starfighters drastically changed during the war in a much shorter time let alone all the different fighters the clones used. I guess innovation died after the Emperor did. Also do we know what kind of capital ships the Republic uses now?

>>51378539
table top not reflecting fluff, but fuck are the T-70s a big improvement over the t-65.
I love the old girl, but I can't bring myself to play t-65s outside of Biggs, HotAC, and fluff lists.
No manuever actions makes the aces so much less appealing, the tech upgrade has gone from meh to fuck yeah.

We was Our Guy, and may he rest in peace because f it.

>>51378628
Just because they share a design lineage doesn't mean they're the same spaceframe.

>>51378628
It's a proven design that's gone through multiple iterations since the Civil War. Why design a completely new fighter when the X-Wing does everything you need already and is proven?

>>51378560
>>51378628
Oh and I fucked up. New Republic uses T-85 X-Wings, not T-80's.

Does anyone here plat IA skirmish?
If so how's this list?

Luke Skywalker (Jedi)
Obi Wan Kenobi
C3-P0
Gideon
E Rebel Saboteurs
-Targeting Computer
E Rebel Saboteurs
-Targeting Computer

As for command cards Son of Skywalker is going in for sure as well as Force Surge and Grisly Contest.
I'm not sure if i want to use E Echo Base Troopers instead of Saboteurs+TC

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>>51378628
>Also do we know what kind of capital ships the Republic uses now?
Can you identify any of these? It looks like Mon Cal cruisers and a Nebulon-B.

>>51378628
Because the X-wing is and always will be best girl. Also, we have no idea what's going on under the hood. New X-wings would likely have engines, electronics, fuel economy, and range that blow T-70s and T-65s out of the water.

>>51378729
It looks like cheap-ass Bad Robot low-LOD designs made over a weekend.

>>51378628
No the designers on TFA were just too afraid to get rid of the sacred cows.
It's always been the problem with that movie, they want to give us something we've seen before and call it new.

>>51378746
Well, that's what the new republic is, because star wars doesn't know how to star wars unless the good guys are the inferior force.

>>51378731
>Range
Luke flew his T-65 from Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin. Without a refuel. How much more range do you need or even want on a snub fighter?

>>51377559
Twas a joke anon. /tg/ is the only board I regularly use.

>>51378729
man I hope some Imperial splinter factions show up to help fight the First Order in the next film

>>51378764
You don't know how far away Dagobah and Hoth/Bespin (counted together for being in the same sector) are.

>>51378764
>travel within a single fucking sector
such range

>>51378763
>retards don't know how to star wars unless the good guys are the inferior force
ftfy

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>>51378757
Or rather, they didn't go far enough with improving on the sacred cows. Canon StealthX when?

>>51378806
>>51378811
travelling from one side of a sector to the other and back on one fueling is fucking great range.
The x-wing is a fucking snub fighter.
You can transport them inside of a capital ship and as long as you get them to the right sector, you've got plenty of time to launch them.

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>>51378865
We need to go Doolittler. Maybe someone at Incom decided that the NR needed a way to send a "fuck you" from the other side of the galaxy.

>>51378806
>>51378811
also, if we go by legends hyperdrive description, long straight hyperdrive jumps take very little fuel. Fuel is used up changing vectors between jumps.

Range is more a matter of course changes than simple distance.

>>51378909
>Maybe someone at Incom decided that the NR needed a way to send a "fuck you" from the other side of the galaxy.
Wasn't that the case in TFA?
Didn't they travel halfway across the galaxy to get to Starkiller?

>>51378918
also, iirc, the pilots normally need refueling as much as the ship in simple travel for snubfighters.
Luke can get around that, at least after the first Dagobah trip, because he can enter jedi travel meditation.

>>51378938
Did they? TFA's sense of geography confused the hell out of me.

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I just looked up the t65 X wing and apparently their top atmospheric speed is only 1050 kph. So how in the fuck are they able to get from the atmosphere to outerspace with such little thrust. Not only should it take forever they shouldn't even be able to leave a planets gravitational pull. Never would have imagined that an X-wing is slower than a 747.

>>51378728
I might swap one set of Sabs for Leia, but otherwise it looks solid. Haven't played with Jedi Luke yet, only against, but he's a beast.

>>51378909
>We need to go Doolittler.
But medium bombers and snub fighters are completely different.

>>51378955
That's because most people including those who arbitrarily chose those numbers don't know shit about aerospace engineering and physics

>>51378955
The same reason A-wings lose to MiG-31s and SR-71s in drag races: aerospace engineers have higher-paying things to do than write space fantasy dogfights.

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>>51371317

Space combat.

>>51378984
and hyperspace flight and atmospheric flight are completely different.

>>51378955
sci-fi authors have no sense of scale
Science fantasy authors have even less.

>>51378955
>vehicles in star wars
>operating on the same physics as real life

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How has Rogue One affected your campaigns? Or do you think it will affect it at all?

>>51378971
The issue with Leia is she needs another strong ranged attacker to realy get the most out of her and with old Luke was fine since he has a good ranged attack but in this list at most she would give a sab another attack.

>>51379044
>>51379075
I understand that but you would think that the average science fiction writer would know how fast a fucking jumbo jet iw and would go at least make sure that their super advanced space fighters are considerably faster than that.

>>51379089
No. I have no plans of watching it and also only steal from sources that I know my players don't know unless it's Metal Gear which one of my players also loves

>>51378955
Heck even '50s jet fighters could go faster than that

>>51379132
Yeah, you'd think they'd also know to stick reverse thrusters on things so they could slow down in space, but we just get big jet engines in only one direction.

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>>51379157
Retrothrusters, son.

>>51379191
Those are only on one vector. X-wings should sideslip eternally in space.

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I've been meaning to play X-wing and/or armada. Can you have force sensative pilots for your fighters? I know that Vader can use the force from inside his fighter to blow up enemy fighters and stuff and I wonder if you can do that ingame.

>>51379218
Well, outside of pure conjecture, the only other response I have is space magic. Star Wars is space magic with space combat that doesn't even try to be remotely realistic.

>>51379230
There are no force-specific mechanics in X-wing, the closest you get is Palpatine letting you change one die to whatever you want each turn.

>>51379230
not yet. Rumors say that functionality is coming within the next 2 waves.
I really fucking hope that stupid shit stays far the fuck away from x-wing.

>>51379292
Yes, that's precisely the point. X-wings having a laughable top speed is irrelevant because everything else in star wars also makes no fucking sense.

>>51379089
I had already planned out an adventure on Onderon, so after watching Rogue One I added Saw Gerrera in at the end. We're playing a year before Rebels starts, so this is him still in decent standing with the Rebellion.

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>>51379304
Darth Vader can force choke someone from half way across the galaxy and you find it stupid than a force user can affect an enemy fighter from dog fight range.

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>>51379313
>because everything else in star wars also makes no fucking sense
I just wish we could see proper MBTs in Star Wars. So many of the "tanks" in Star Wars don't seem to truly fit the actual modern definition of a tank, even after you remove the requirement to use treads. I want to see the NR taking on the First Order's walkers with Space Abrams or some similar shit.

>>51378746
Its a long distance shot that only lasts a second, what do you want exactly?

>>51379422
The separatist hover tanks are pretty tank, they just have a dumb high profile.

>>51379428
ILM-level standards where the damn model is developed despite only having a second of screentime.

>>51379230
When has Vader EVER been shown to do that? Every single time I have seen Vader pilot a fighter in Star Wars media he just uses his absurd pilot skill.

>>51379404
it's gay as shit no matter how you slice it.

>>51379218
>multivector drifting
>DejaVu.gif

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>>51379530
>GAS GAS GAS
Daily reminder that Legends Palps fucking loved to race speeders during his youth.

>>51379089
It hasn't. Kyle Katarn is still the man responsible for the Death Star plans reaching Leia in my games, fuck Disney

>>51379404
Kylo Ren and condition cards work that way and even the Vader crew can do automatic dmg.

There is no need for force specific powers if they are functionally the same.

>>51379546
He is based off of Lucas' personal life.

>>51379422
You have plenty of armoured general purpose ground combat vehicles without a troop carrying capacity.

You just mostly see it in the PT and the videogames because there is more heavy open warfare there.

>>51379551
Katarn has and will always be butts.

>>51378954
>RebSistance base is just over the galactic radius in distance from Starkiller
>"waiting for the shield to go down"
>jump in a couple seconds after Phasma does the deed
I honestly wish people would stop handing JJ projects set in space, the guy cannot direct an ounce of stellar scale assuming these timing and backdrop things are the director's turf.

Star Trek had shit like warp travel from Earth to the Klingon home world taking about 90 seconds and "oh no we lost power over the moon and now we are suddenly falling through Earth's atmosphere" that just about match the stupidity of Han and Finn watching Starkiller do the deed in high def from (go figure) halfway across the galaxy.

>>51371259
You're damn right! Peter Cushing was a gamer. An old school /hwg/ gamer to be sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGag8Qllgnw

>>51379551
The only Kyle Katarn games thar should count for anything, are the Jedi Knight ones. The first Dark Forces was just a shitty Doom knock-off in the Star Wars universe. The continuity was bollocks on release anyways, seeing as you kill Boba Fett prior to Jedi, and no Rebel fleet striking from a hidden base helped secure the plans.

>>51379785
Oh fuck off, Dark Forces 1 was great other than making Jabba's ship too big. It was pretty clear you never actually killed him, but could have been a little clearer.

And yes, sure the crow alone isn't really a fleet but that's just the demo/prologue level.

>>51379044
>sci-fi authors have no sense of scale
Science fantasy authors have even less.
Asimov, Herbert, and James S A Correy would like a word with you.

>>51379480
You haven't seen enough media. Read Lords of the Sith novel or the Darth Vader comic. All of it is canon.
>>51379485
>Its gay because I say its gay!
(you)

>>51379089
Oh, it helped my campaign.

In my world, a group of bumbling and moronic Mary Sues got annihilated by Imperial forces in an attempt to take secret plans, then later a secret Rebel fleet got them, like the actual canon and not Disney's bastardized excuse of it.

>>51379838
Still continuity issues. And Boba looks pretty fucking dead when he eats that last Imperial Repeater shot.

Dark Forces could have been mich better. But Lucas Arts set off to make a Doom-clone FPS, and that's what they delivered. Hell Katarn wasn't even much of a character there. He was just grump-cutscene-guy, and the name they called you as you played through the game.

>>51379880
Murry Stues don't die.

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>>51379619
Shit taste confirmed
Katarn has butts alright, sexy space Asian waifu butts

>>51379785
>>51379886
>muh continuity
>hurr muh boba
>what is Jodo Kast's existence

>>51379917
Sure they do, they just come back.

>>51376135
I fucking love the new trooper designs from R1, but they really seem too new and weird standing right beside normal troopers in the movie.

Friendly reminder that AoR is the worst of the three games

>>51380037
Explain why and also how the other two are better so that we all can learn

>>51380073
Worst classes, special mechanic and setting of all of the games.

>>51379886
The novels help with this so very much. The only downside is they skip Dark Forces entirely after the raid on Danuta. The duel between Mohc and Katarn at the end would've been really good with all the backstory established (and an excuse for more sexy Dean Williams paintings)

>>51380037
wut

>>51380073

You can play Rebels in EotE and FaD but also do other things whereas AoR has the most limited approach of the three. It also has the least reason for varied parties which leads to some narrative disconnect: the entire party should all be Aces or Soldiers or Scouts, but instead you wind up with a Y-Wing pilot and a ground troop commander and a diplomat and a spy all bumbling along on missions where most of them shouldn't be.

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>>51377607
Kind of cool to hear about other people's gaming groups and their PC's, after awhile you get sort of get stuck in a bit of a bum-groove with your own group and it can be a bit blinkering in some ways
As much as you hack on them for being a bit boring with human-centric characters, they really are well suited to being right up the guts of Empire with covert means. Very rare that I get anyone who plays a class capable of infiltrating much of anything... unless you count stealing a large vehicle and crashing it into whatever they're attempting to bother, then leaping out and beating people into telling them what they want to know.

That said, they usually organise themselves into covering the fundamental bases of fixing things, medical, transportation and other tasks that you can't really do without in a setting like star wars.

>>51379551
Pfft. Kyle Katarn wasn't even the only person who brought Leia the Death Star plans in Legends.

>>51380121
>what is a disparate Rebel cell?
>I can't understand that my spec doesn't sum up who I am

>>51380097
>worst special mechanic
Shut your face, Duty is a damn sight better than Obligation ever was. Then again, it's hard for anything to be as bizarre and awkward as Morality.

Of course,
>not playing all three game lines at once in a glorious clusterfuck, with everyone having Obligation, Duty and Morality scores

when does Rebels get good

I just finished the first season and I fucking hate it so far

>>51380121
As opposed to a Force-using X-Wing Pilot, a pair of smugglers, and a Diplomat?

And let's not even get STARTED on the Wraiths.

>>51380182
May as well stop, it gets better but your taste will keep being shit.

>>51380143
I really like Sidon Ithano's helmet but the rest of his outfit is really lazy looking.

>>51380173
That snowflake bitch Twi'lek doesn't count anon

>>51380182
>when does Rebels get good
>pointless argument starter.jpg
Seriously, what makes something good for you? I don't fucking know.
Season two gives Space Alladdin a lightsaber and starts delving into the relationships, now that the chracters have been established in season one.

Also, compared to Clone Wars it operates on a shoestring budget, so you may want to reassess, your expectations.

>>51380182
About the time you realize the OT trench run was not along the equatorial trench of the Death Star.

>>51380197

It isn't my fault TCW was actually decent. Ezra is an insufferable protagonist, the art style is hideous, and having Vader be a big deal in Season 2 is idiotic.

>>51380224
Neither does that snowflake stue, Katarn!

>>51380226

How the fuck can Disney afford less than Cartoon Network for Star Wars of all things?

>>51380182
Season 2 gets Hondo, season 3 gets good.

>>51380204
it looks better in closeups

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>>51380254
>can't even spell "stu"
>implying he didn't earn every inch of his rep from his last days at the Academy

I really like those colorful stormtrooper pauldrons, wish they were used more

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>>51380224
>Forgetting the Han Solo Trilogy

>>51380264
Because Lucas was operating on a huge deficit.

>>51380245
As great as Clone Wars could be, the (many) awful episodes drag it down to about equal with Rebels. Rebels may not reach the same peaks, but it also never dips into such deep valleys.

>>51380264
>erhmagherd wat iz budget, how it werks?

You clearly are not part of the professional workforce at all.

>>51380224
You've still got, like, 10 more you need to discount.

>>51380143
>>51380204
>>51380273
It looks like he's wearing a sweater from Grandma, he's a good boy.


>>51380264
Lucasfilm's only real ongoing project was TCW, and George himself added his OWN personal fortune back into TCW's budget.

So they had the entire weight of the studio, plus George funding them.
>>51380294
Also yes, the show ran at a huge loss, they made their budget back with toys, TCW kept Star Wars in the public consciousness and kept toy sales going.

Disney is splitting that budget between Rebels, the Lego SW cartoon, and a Movie every single year

>>51380287
Those books may have been good (I don't know) but they got retconned all to hell and back

>>51380296

I just hate the main cast so much. The show would really benefit from not having Zeb and Ezra.

>>51380280
>implying "muh stermtrupper academy training" is worth anything
>"I live in bumfuck Alabama where we name people Stu without an 'e'.

>>51380287
Who? You mean the old guy who dies from the jesus-saber?

>>51380422
And Sabine.

>>51380422
So don't watch it, then. Go back to sucking on Hayden Christensen's cock!

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>>51380204
It'd be nice if FFG would pull their finger out and get moving on statting up some of the new species and start on the post Endor period for other stuff.

>>51380296
>Jar Jar episodes
Even the episodes which could be great, you just end up grinding teeth when he shows up and annoying the fucking shit out of anyone watching

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>>51380233
>that first time you watch ANH and realize the equatorial trench visibly has multiple decks and rows of hangars

>>51380422
Without ezra the show would just be "the galaxy's wackiest astromech and the worlds least fallible mando." Assuming you're not totally caught up yet, ezra does get better.

>>51380386
>>51380443
She was like Jyn Erso, but with actual character development and you felt bad when she died fighting during the Battle of Toprawa during Operation Skyhook.

>>51380473
Padme episodes were more regular and often just as bad. Leia makes sense as being an action girl, she grew up on a planet that loved martial arts and was groomed to be a leader of the Rebellion.

A 15yo Queen that becomes a senator does not make sense as an action girl.

>>51380463

Sabine is okay so far, but I've never really minded grrrrrl power.

>>51380487

Here's hoping. I'm gonna catch up because I'm desperate for more Star Wars, but it's really jarring coming off how good parts of TCW were to this.

>>51380176
>not playing all three game lines at once in a glorious clusterfuck, with everyone having Obligation, Duty and Morality scores
It's a huge pain to run but hilariously awesome.

>>51380037
While I think AoR is the weakest narratively on it's own, the other lines actually benefit greatly from introduction of AoR elements. Also AoR has much stronger equipment and classes than the other lines, IMO.

>>51380426
>stormtroopers aren't the creme de la creme of the Imperial military
>not using an unnecessary e means you're a redneck
Funny, we Brits are usually the ones to complain about dropped letters

>>51380489
A sad tale. Actually, the DF novel explains both the Toprawa and Danuta plans have something the other lacks.

>>51379839
haven't read Correy, but Asimov and Herbert both make several scale issues.

Asimov's foundation series often treats distance more like the Roman empire it was modeled after. Herbert is far far worse, he created restrictions that let him tell his story when they were relevant for his story, and typically didn't work out the far reaching implication on the massive scale he was using.

I say this as fans of both their works. They're better at making it so the problems of their glossing over scale issues don't really show up in their works, so they typically only or realized when really going in depth after finishing the work.
Their tendency toward exposition, and somewhat stilted dialogue (especially Asimov outside of the truly excellent 'Liar') are more likely to cause problems while reading.

>>51380182
Star Wars Rebels is a children show. Expecting it to be good despite being a children's show only exposes your naivety.

>>51380553
/co/ here; say that to my face, fucker.

>>51380553
Last airbender was breddy gud despite being a children's show.

>>51380521
You're telling me. Been running the same campaign since EotE, everyone now has Obligation, Duty and Morality (when FS Emergent hit with AoR beta, everybody took it immediately).
It's awkward but I wouldn't trade it for the world. Using a single trigger roll at the end of every session works just fine, mind you.

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>>51380553
Gundam Build Fighters was a kid show, too, but it was fucking great.

>>51380553

We live in a cartoon renaissance right now. Children's shows are probably at their all-time peak, so a mediocre one is especially noticeable, especially as a follow-up series to a better one.

>>51380370
>a sweater from Grandma, he's a good boy.
Piracy is a dangerous business, not catching a cold is important

>>51380507
>Padme episodes
Yeah, they're not good either. I can understand the whole girl-power thing to appeal to the other half of the potential viewer base, but the sad reality is that women are rubbish at fighting anything. You want something/someone fucked up and the shit beaten out of it, probably set on fire or blown up, you get a big dumb bloke with a big gun and lots of grenades.

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>>51380594
Because it was made by fans who loved the source material and kept making homages, rather than Rebels' half-hearted nods to old canon to go "LOOK, WE'RE BEING NICE" to long-standing fans

>>51380489
She had a lot more time to develop.

>>51380571
I'll say it your face then.

>Star Wars Rebels is fucking trash marketed for children to push toy sales.

I mean, you've got to be fucking blind to consider any children's show to be true quality TV. I just wish we could have gotten that Breaking Bad Star Wars TV show, but it's probably never gonna see the light of day.

>>51380182
Season 2 starter has our team get its shit pushed in by Vader, Ezra loses his laser slingshot and juryrigs a lightsaber-blaster.
Rest of the season is Ezra getting jedi training and rebels building their power base, also adult Ahsoka comes around.
Season ender has the team go to planet Malachor (or something along those lines) where they run into yet another inquisitor, the infamous lightsaber helicopters occur there and Maul makes a come back, tempting Ezra towards the dark side.
At the end of the episode Vader comes around to wreck some shit and he and Ahsoka have a duel (off screen) as A-team flees the scene.
Season three starter is set after a short time skip, Ezra has a new hairdo, Kanan is still recovering from the laser eye surgery Maul gave him and has grown a beard, Hondo comes around, Y-wings are stolen, a blue skinned imperial admiral comes around to do "just as planned" for the rest of the season.
Now we are waiting for the season finale where we hopefully see Thrawn wreck the rebels shit with tactical genius.

>>51380536
>not using an unnecessary e means you're a redneck
>Funny, we Brits are usually the ones to complain about dropped letters

Well yeah, that's because we spell words correctly, like "armour", to "colour", to "manoeuver".

>>51380629
>but the sad reality is that women are rubbish at fighting anything.
this is space fantasy with alien creatures. Accurate biology has no place here.

There is no reason why Ahsoka, Assaj, Luminara, Bariss, Shaak Ti, the night sisters, female bounty hunter in the Seven Samuari episode, etc can't kick ass.

>>51380717
>not manoevre
I'll forgive you this once anon

>>51380676
it's to a different audience, but it can be good for that audience an still interesting for other audiences.

I watch a fair bit of childrens shows given my nieces, nephews, and friends with young children. Let me assure you that the quality can vary greatly, and thinking 'it's a children's show' is enough to tell you it's quality is pure ignorance.

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>>51380676
>Breaking Bad Star Wars TV show, but it's probably never gonna see the light of day.
Good.

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>>51380725
If that was the case they would have cloned some super chick

But they didn't
They got this cranky bastard because you know he's gunna just fuck as much shit up as possible

>>51380676
George Lucas always said he made Star Wars for children. So this is 100% the way it should be.

>>51380676
>>Star Wars Rebels is fucking trash marketed for children to push toy sales.

What is Star Wars in general?

>>51380544
Herbert's sense of scale was to limit plaentary travel shit entirely, with exception to the McGuffin of te series. Asimov's Foundation series is classic, but it's also extremely high-tech to the point of controlling entire spaceships with your mind, planetary neural nets, and point A to point B space jumping.

James S A Correy does it best, IMHO. Space is really damned big. Mankind isn't even out of the sandbox, and has only colonized Mars, some asteroids, and some of the moons around the gas giants. Travel within the system takes considerable time, and the main catalyst for allowing it is an extremely fuel-efficient fusion drive. Other than that, you're still looking at 3 generations to get to the nearest star, at least until shit really hits the fan aftwr book 3.

>>51380735
There's a fucking u in there, you uncultured American fucktard!

>>51380676
>Breaking Bad Star Wars Show
What the fuck would that even be like? Who ever thought that would be a good idea?

>>51380807
It wasn't always that way, the first two movies were going in a completely different direction but then by the third George went full retard, choosing a bland happy ending over something unique and poignant with Luke's fate left ambiguous and Han Solo dying with Leia left alone.

Now, this seems to just be star war's agenda.

https://youtu.be/PpKmyCywboQ

Which is a fucking shame because while a lot of the EU was total shit, a lot of it was really fucking good, most of it being the pre-rise of the empire era. The Great Hyperspace War and KOTOR being prime examples.

>>51380854
>What the fuck would that even be like?
I've never heard of this before, but I'd watch some shit about a small time spice trader undercutting the Pykes.

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>>51380854
>Spice trader sells to Raith Sienar, gets set for life
>Every episode is parties, whores, and a new TIE

>>51380629
>but the sad reality is that women are rubbish at fighting anything.
Fisticuffs? Sure, I'll give you that one. Actual combat, however? WW2 would like to show you a lot of dead Germans who died at the hands of female snipers, pilots, tank crews, and partisan resistance.

>>51380854
It was from years and years ago, never got off the ground. Lucas had in his plans to make a TV14 more adult-aimed show about the criminal underworld of Star Wars in a sorta vignette format. It would have been awesome had it ever gotten off the ground, but its production was delayed constantly despite over a hundred episodes having been written up. We will never see it in the light of day.

>>51380868
>It wasn't always that way, the first two movies were going in a completely different direction but then by the third George went full retard, choosing a bland happy ending over something unique and poignant with Luke's fate left ambiguous and Han Solo dying with Leia left alone.
the fuck am I reading here?
You know that ANH had the ending the third film was originally supposed to have?
That is the reason why there was a deathstar 2 in the first place.

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>>51380909
>killing germans
>impressive

>>51380553
Star Wars is a children's franchise. Expecting it to be good despite being a children's series only exposes your naivety.

>>51380944
>posting pictures from movies

>>51380909
True, but multiple films have insisted on a human female with a blunt weapon downing grown men. (Because vibroblades would be a quick trip to a hard R.)

Mind you SW Humanity may somehow bypass human dimorphism by divergent evolution or medical tech but it's a bit of a stretch.

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>>51380909
>all time top female ace: ~14 kills counting shared as halfs
>all time top male ace: 352 kills

Don't get me wrong, I'd waifu Lydia in a heartbeat, but the statistics speak for themselves.

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>>51380962
movie germans are better soldiers than real ones

>>51380942
I'm talking about after the original changes, the entire plan for the final movie was thrown out despite Gary Kurtz's protests, likely due to Star Wars already getting swept up in the toy market.

>http://www.avclub.com/article/gary-kurtz-outlines-original-darker-ewok-less-endi-44162

>http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/

Were it not for fucking children, ROTJ wouldn't have been dogshit.

>>51380997
>Soviet
Imagine what she could have achieved in non-shit aircraft.