The REAL Alignment Chart

>>51363627
Lawful Neutral should say "statist cuck"

>>51363670
Sometimes lawful neutral is a retarded druid that only cares about "muh nature".

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>>51363627
Close.

>>51363627
Pretty badly

>>51363706
should be a triangle

>>51363799
You're right but I'm fucking lazy.

>>51363702
That's even worse

>>51363854
It's a terrible alignment.

Egoism is a virtue, altruism is delusion.

>>51364032
I like how the asshole-line is still there.

>>51363627
Loyal Good should "by the book, conservative nice guy who thinks his values leads to good and happiness"
Loya Neutral should be "by the book, conservative guy who only care about traditionnal values because they are the traditional values"
Chaotic Good should be "Progressive nice guy who believe his kind of progressiveness leads to hapiness and good"
Chaotic Neutral should be "Progressive for the sake of being progressive"

>>51364372
And Chaotic Evil are SJW

>>51363627
Poorly as you admitted alignments exist

>>51364372
How does "progressive for the sake of being progressive" fit into the "I'm a dickass thief and I'm going to steal your gold but at least I won't stab you and who knows maybe I'll use it to buy maddeningly ill-fitting shoes for an orphan" alignment?

>>51364473
Because you are going to push progressiveness for things you know are bad.

>>51364473
See >>51364401
Everyone knows that progressive is just another word for "person that wants someone else's money"
Jesus, so many libcucks on this board

Why is there so much /pol/ in this thread? Are we being raided?

>>51364473
It really doesn't. It completely falls apart there.

>>51364473
Chaotic is not neutral, it just means you value freedom but not good or evil.
Just like a neutral good only values good, is not against society and will push for good laws but disobey to the the bad ones, basically seeing society as a tool for good and not an end in itself like a loyal neutral or gives it equal value to good.
A chaotic neutral just values freedom, he don't swing randomy between good and bad actions.

>>51364593
Please die.

>>51364605
*equal value to good like a loyal good.
The whole paladin thing is virtue AND honor, like a knight that seriously see betraying his lord as being just as bad as killing an innocent.

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>>51363847
3 seconds in paint

ITT: another dnd discussion with potential ruined by people incapable of not bringing there politics into dnd discussion
>implying that if someone disagrees with you politically then they are evil

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>>51364593
>everyone who disagrees with me is evil

>>51364673
>dnd discussion with potential
>/tg/ alignment thread
Ehh, not really

>>51364656
A neutral good without rejecting this kind of loyalty would not compare at all betrayal to the death of the innocent.
A chaotic good would loathes the knight to renounce to freedom like that and compare it to the live of a innocent.
A chaotic neutral idem except he don't care about the innocent.
Loyal neutral like knight except he don't care about the innocent.

>>51364676
That's supposed to be what each of them views themselves as, right?

>>51364676
>>51364644
He literally named the file bait, I think it might be ever so slightly tongue-in-cheek.

>>51364676
Basically what I was saying.

>>51364676

I like this. This seems pretty decent. Using this might get rid of lulrandumb fucktards in my evils and stick up their asstards on the good end.

>>51364676
I mean I dont mind playing any evil character, as long as they are lawful. Lawful evil is dope af

>>51364676
At this point you could replace the good-evil axis with the humane-determined axis and the lawful-chaotic axis by the honorable-independent axis.

>>51364524
Please go back to /pol/.

>>51364661
He said triangle, that's only two lines

>>51365023
It's non-euclidean.

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>>51363627

>>51364524
that's because the creative and intelligent people got kicked of the board by assholes like you, you know. So don't blame anyone but yourself.

>>51363702
>druids who care about nature exclusively, also care about man made laws

Most retarded statement on tg today?

>>51365089
Being lawful has nothing to do with observing man made laws.

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>>51364032
>year of our lord 2017
>unironically an An-Crap

>>51365089
Order is an elemental force of the universe, integral to D&D's cosmology.
It is not "manmade laws"

>>51365108
The state of nature is actually anarchy, so yes, a muh Nature druid would not be lawful.

>>51365023
Do you think there are only two lines because you cannot see the third?

>>51365194
state of nature is neutrality - some things happen in patterns, some seemingly random

>>51365109
What even is this image? Anarcho-Capitalists don't give two shits about all that marxists class bullshit.

>>51365262
Temporary patterns are possible in non ordered systems.

>>51365109
>Get laid off by boss
>Suddenly have no ability to work, and lack capital to start my own job
>Terrified about what is going to happen to me

That image was clearly made by someone who never worked a day in their life.

>>51365109
>the little toy helicopter

omg my side

>>51365194
>>51365262
>>51365291
No, the state of nature is decay. We just can't perceive it because humans are temporarily ordered systems in a vast tapestry of entropy
Any true druid would be chaotic

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>>51365319
>he doesn't know what unions are
>he doesn't understand what solidarity is

Realtalk: the D&D alignment system doesn't map to current US politics, or US meme "politics".

*Anyone* espousing a Perfect System Of How We Should Do things is Lawful Something. The Good/Evil part comes from why they're doing that.

Chaotic Neutral isn't dogmatic Anarchism, because that's an ideology. It's "like, do whatever, who cares?".

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>>51365372
it's like some people want their surplus value exploited

>>51365372
>Unions
>Anarchy
Pick one

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>>51365439
>he is so entrapped by bourgeois ideology any alternative to capitalism is the evil "anarchy"
>he doesn't realize capitalism is the anarchy of production that will eventually collapse

>>51365372
Unions are only effective if compulsory, and then they are certain to create their own managerial class.

Also, spoken like someone whose never dealt with a real union in their life.

>>51365477

Probably would've been better to be a peasant than a feudal lord desu.

>>51365372
>>51365417
>>51365477
Where are these memes coming from? Is it /his/?

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>>51365485
Good thing there aren't any evil unions in India to steal these children's freedoms right?

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>>51363627
Here's the REAL Alignment Chart.

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>>51365477
Well, I didn't vote for you.

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>>51364193
Tell that to all the egoistic, brother-backstabbing tribes that went extinct because they where outcompeted by tight knit, altruistic Übermensch tribes. Making altruism an almost universally present trait in humans in the current year.

>>51365547
The state of the Indian economy is mostly a function of imperialistic policies by foreign States.

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>>51365662
But it benefits the Indian bourgeois as well.

The world is divided amongst members of the same class, who will generally protect their class interests.

India's ruling class has been given the resources and lessons that capitalistic powers like the U.S. and U.K. can provide, to suppress or weaken efforts undertaken by the Indian working class, namely, in how to destabilize or crush unions entirely.

And it isn't just in India either.

>>51364111
Go home Stirner, everybody knows you're a hack.

>>51364661
What's the part in the second triangle represent? Otherwise great job!

>Every form of government or non-government sucks, some versions just suck harder
I sure hope you guys realize this.

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>>51365794
Spooky.

>>51365778
Unions, when compulsory, are a tool to suppress the interests of the class that gets unionized.

Voluntary unions are fine, but you'll never see a union elite admit that.

If you want to raise the standard of living in a country, there is no substitute for true free market capitalism. Some people will become richer than others, but everyone will become richer.

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>>51365899
>If you want to raise the standard of living in a country, there is no substitute for true free market capitalism

Yes, all hail the invisible hand (pbuh).

And yes, unions controlled by corporate interests are never going to work in the interests of the workers (see the AFL-CIO). But unions organized by workers and for workers are always going to be enemies to the capitalist class, which is why organizations like the IWW were targeted and largely destroyed.

Wow, it's almost like "do this one thing, as hard as possible, in all circumstances" is a really dumb idea.

>>51365982
If your Union can only sustain itself through conscription, then it will never work for workers. All unions can only ever sustain themselves through conscription.

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>>51366064
>Haha workers will never want to join unions because they'll demand higher pay and better conditions
>this makes sense to me because getting paid less and working in an unsafe workplace is actually a freedom

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>>51364032
>anarkiddos

Have you heard of >>>/reddit/? Alternatively, have you ever thought about taking your own life?

>>51366164
Unions never really care for the working man. Union cares for Union under the pretense of caring for a working man.

>>51366164
>workers will enjoy starving, unable to work because they exceeded their Union mandated quota last week and their hours have to be shifted to Bob as a result.

If you really think unions can survive without conscription, why don't you vote to make your state right to work? Pussy.

>>51365109
Who's gonna organize shit? Who's gonna manage the paychecks? Who's gonna dole out workers compensation when needed? Who's going to take responsibility when things go wrong? Who's going to prioritize what needs to get done and the order it needs to be done in? Who's going to order supplies and do inventory? Who's going to schedule? Who's going to decide how many people the job needs?

You can divide this up among multiple people if you like, but you increase the complexity of the system every time you do.

There's something to be said for the idea that bosses can be and are overpaid. But simply not having one at all is a recipe for disaster. Even if you somehow manage to get everything to work, the efficiency of whatever system you end up with will pale next to a boss/employee one, which means you'll be out-competed every time, which means very swiftly this "bossless" business will be out of business.

I'd like to apologize for making this thread. I just wanted to post my chart, maybe get a little discussion going about how players use alignment. I didn't think that this would happen. I'm sorry.

>>51363670
>statist
>cuck
Choose one, anarchist scum

>>51366461
No no, this is hilarious. Sit back and just watch the shitshow.

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>>51366266
>yeah man the real reason people are underpaid are the unions
>not the parasitic bosses who pay them starvation wages

Go get curbstomped you wannabe bourgie scum.

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What happens when you mix /pol/ and /tg/?
this thread apparently. And am I loving it.

>>51366495
I work in construction. The union boys look for every fucking excuse they can to not do their jobs and one of them was arrested a few months ago for showing up at members doors backed up by unknown thugs telling them how to vote in the US elections, claiming it was "part of the contract".

Union boys are scum who have ruined a good name.

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>>51366362
>dude the bosses are MAGIC geniuses who are totally necessary.
>workers are too stupid to make decisions

Did the financial collapse of 2008 not happen in this fantasy land of yours?

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>>51366534
>my anecdotal experience overrules data and observable trends

>>51365899

Ah jeez I really don't wanna get into this shot show, but I have to day something. See south Korea Taiwan and China? They went from nothing to developed states in decades and improved their standards of living exponentially. Not one of them did it as a democratic free market. Command economies with dictators every one.

>>51366547
Are you aware that crisis was not caused by middle managers, but financial gamblers scamming each-other?

Or are you just one of those 12yo's who think that RICH == BAD?

Neither leadership nor management are easy, and its not something everyone is cut out for. Coordinating the efforts of millions of people is something that requires both physical and human infrastructure.

The problem is not with "bosses", its with politicians getting into bed with the financial sector, and taking off the locks that make sure they don't gamble the entire economy on a combination horse race / pyramid scheme.

All the /pol/tard images are named the same way. It's painfully obvious this is one person baiting one or two idiots.
He isn't seriously arguing against you, god damnit. He doesn't feel like he won if he gets the last word, just stop replying.
It's fucking pathetic how easy it is to bait some of you people...

>>51366591
Except China was a shithole for the longest time, and only started really improving when they let business do their own thing, as long as they stayed out of politics?

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>>51366617
>>The problem is not with "bosses", its with politicians getting into bed with the financial sector, and taking off the locks that make sure they don't gamble the entire economy on a combination horse race / pyramid scheme.

>implying the government isn't comprised of the official representatives of the ruling class
>implying that you can separate the bourgeoisie from the modern state
>implying "cronyism" isn't the natural result of any class society

>>51366636

Was still improving relative to where it started, even before they started to loosen up, and korea and Taiwan are still relevant.

>>51365477
I genuinely don't know which stance this is taking.

>>51366579
Spotted the dirty union boy who wont do his job. Did you know that thousands of labor law violations reported each year (6800 in 2010) are attributed to unions?

http://www.nlrb.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/basic-page/node-1696/table_2.pdf Citation for the 2010 number.

Union boys are thugs and cannot be trusted. They're also the laziest cunts imaginable and should not be holding a job.

>Unions are corrupt and don't deserve to exist!
>Unlike corporations though, they justify continued existence through total freedom from corruption.

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>>51366699
>yeah those unions are evil!
>I'm absolutely my all benevolent job-creators would never falsify data about organized labor!

Reminder that shit like this was acceptable in the U.S. before unions started organizing.

>>51366643
>>implying the government isn't comprised of the official representatives of the ruling class
This is precisely what I am saying. The issue is not with class, it is with class dictating policy.

Class is a natural consequence of biological diversity. The more useful and adept humans obtain more wealth than others.

>>51366671
It really, really wasn't. Go read about the Great Leap Forward. They tried replacing industry with communes, removing the concept of private property. The entire country fell into famine. It was a mistake. They went crawling to the
Americans not a few decades later begging for help.

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>>51366823
>class is a natural consequence of biological diversity

Please tell me about how superior the Kardashians are to you or me.

Please tell me how Windows is the best operating system ever created and that Gates didn't make his wealth through financial fuckery and govt intervention.

Please tell me about the genius of Jobs and the brilliance of Rockefeller's offspring.

Explain how the fucking Habsburgs remained in power so long, with their """"""""superior genetics""""""".

I'm really interested in seeing the mental gymnastics you're going to have to perform.

>>51366920
None of those things are true, I will not defend them. However, your ethos cannot separate taking from those who have earned and taking from those who have not earned. Your ethos is to take indiscriminately, and give to those your precious nanny state deems worthy.

The solution is not to attempt some unachievable economic parity, but to craft a system in which those best able to contribute are best rewarded. A system in which policy is insulated from economic interests. While this seems impossible, I assure you it is far more plausible than your childish imaginings of "equality".

Stop thinking in black and white, there is a middle ground between "everyone gets paid the same" and "kardashians".

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Not so much the evil row, but for the rest, this.

>>51364593
>Zionists aren't imperialist or NatSoc
K.
On some level I am impressed that you didn't lump in Commies and Liberals

>>51367321
Oh my shit I saw the filename as I hit post.

8/10. You got me fair and square

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>>51367047
So let me get this straight

>the billions of people who actually perform labor aren't REALLY contributing to society
>the minority of billionaires who make their fortune off of the financialization of the markets are the ones who really contribute

Also,

>falling for the "big gubbament" meme

>>51367430
>>the billions of people who actually perform labor aren't REALLY contributing to society
I did not say this.
>>the minority of billionaires who make their fortune off of the financialization of the markets are the ones who really contribute
I did not say this either.

I said that the ideal society is one in which those who contribute the most, receive the most. We do not live in this society. This ideal society is the antithetical counterpoint to your proposal, in which everyone receives equal wealth. Take your misrepresentation somewhere else.

>"Le workers own the means of production" meme
Alright, lets imagine the workers own the means of production. What happens? How do the workers decide what do produce? How do they make sure everyone receives what they need? How will they manage ordering, shipping, and receiving? Its almost like some workers will need to change positions, and become some sort of, hmm, manager? Oh, but then, they'll be part of the hated aristos, and they'll be thrown out of the commune. Rinse and repeat until everyone starves.

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>>51367717
>I did not say this.
Translation: I danced around the fact my ideology glorifies a parasitic class

>I did not say this either.
Stop asking me why I defend rich scumbags.

>I said that the ideal society is one in which those who contribute the most, receive the most. We do not live in this society. This ideal society is the antithetical counterpoint to your proposal, in which everyone receives equal wealth.

So why do you kick and scream at the notion of labor directly controlling the value that they create and sharing it amidst themselves and their communities?

Why do you continue to defend a system which has exacerbated and turned profit off of starvation, war, slavery, disease and all manners of atrocities?

>Its almost like some workers will need to change positions, and become some sort of, hmm, manager?
>DUDE MANAGERS ARE TOTALLY LIKE CEO'S MAAAAAN!

Fuck off. A manager in a society where labor owns their workplaces isn't a boss like in our contemporary setting. You continue to live in bad faith, imagining no alternative to our world as it is now. Like so many, you blindly accept liberal capitalist democracies as our only option, despite the fact that the very contradictions internal to capitalism can never be confronted without destroying capitalism itself.

Just be honest with yourself and own up to the fact that you covet the position of the bourgeoisie, that you still delude yourself into thinking genuine class mobility is a possibility.

It is the mentality of a man with a boot to his head, believing that one day he'll be the one with a boot on some other poor bastards head.

>>51367980
>Stop asking me why I defend rich scumbags.
I do not defend the rich, I defend the right of a man to own what he has made for himself.

I am not saying the current system is right, I am saying your system is wrong.

>Why do you continue to defend a system which has exacerbated and turned profit off of starvation, war, slavery, disease and all manners of atrocities?
As opposed to what? Stalinism? Maoism? Yes, those both have rosy track records when it comes to human dignity.

Why do I defend capitalism? Because its the worse system we have, except for all of the others.

>>DUDE MANAGERS ARE TOTALLY LIKE CEO'S MAAAAAN!
You clearly have no idea what a CEO is. I'll give you a hint: it's not a synonym for aristo. Its a person who makes decisions. The bigger the decisions, and the more people those decisions effect, the bigger the paycheck. Its a very simple concept. Even you should be able to understand it.

>you still delude yourself into thinking genuine class mobility is a possibility.
I have been out of school for less than a month. I already have two offers for positions with 6 figure salaries plus equity. My parents combined don't make that much now. If that's not mobility, then I don't know what is. And they are not positions for some giant multi-billion dollar firms, they are small companies who see my work, and know what I can do, and want me to do it with them. They are built by people who have the will to make what they want happen.

>It is the mentality of a man with a boot to his head, believing that one day he'll be the one with a boot on some other poor bastards head.
As opposed to your mentality, in which you dream of having your boot on another man's head. But he's a filthy aristo, so its just dandy.

But since we're just devolving into bare character attacks, I'd say your mentality isn't born out of any character flaw, you're simply too young or too spoiled to have learned otherwise.

>>51368259
>I do not defend the rich, I defend the right of a man to own what he has made for himself.
>I am not saying the current system is right, I am saying your system is wrong.

So under capitalism, where those who do not toil own and those who do toil do not is fine?

>As opposed to what? Stalinism? Maoism? Yes, those both have rosy track records when it comes to human dignity.
>Why do I defend capitalism? Because its the worse system we have, except for all of the others.

Again you live in bad faith; you so eagerly accept the ideology of the ruling class because it is comforting to think that nothing else exists, and that all alternatives are tyranny and death. You cannot reconcile this when confronted with all manner of atrocities committed under capitalism, from Chile to Afghanistan.

>You clearly have no idea what a CEO is. I'll give you a hint: it's not a synonym for aristo. Its a person who makes decisions. The bigger the decisions, and the more people those decisions effect, the bigger the paycheck. Its a very simple concept. Even you should be able to understand it.

They CEO's make decisions that will benefit them and theirs. They aggrandize their role and pay their scum-sucking compeers at the news stations to further elevate them to a role of divinely appointed leaders.

>I have been out of school for less than a month. I already have two offers for positions with 6 figure salaries plus equity.

Your opportunity is built upon sand, and the tide is coming. Enjoy what freedom you have, the next recession will wipe away all vestiges of the middle class and at long last, you and millions of others will be forced to confront the awful reality of capitalism.

(1/2)

>>51368259
>As opposed to your mentality, in which you dream of having your boot on another man's head. But he's a filthy aristo, so its just dandy.
>But since we're just devolving into bare character attacks, I'd say your mentality isn't born out of any character flaw, you're simply too young or too spoiled to have learned otherwise.

How easily you forget the attacks on character that you wrote just a few posts ago. Go on then, claim some moral superiority, for being a "realist" and playing the role of the moralistic cynic. You carry too much fear to confront the injustices and contradictions your Fukuyamist perspective glances over.

Enjoy these moments of smug superiority before the ecological, economic, and ethical crises facing us converge to the breaking point of the world as we know it.

>>51368374
>>51368440
>So under capitalism, where those who do not toil own and those who do toil do not is fine?
That is not a necessity of capitalism, it is only an artifact of our current system. We need change, but your change is not progress, it is self-annihilation.

>Again you live in bad faith; you so eagerly accept the ideology of the ruling class because it is comforting to think that nothing else exists, and that all alternatives are tyranny and death. You cannot reconcile this when confronted with all manner of atrocities committed under capitalism, from Chile to Afghanistan.
I have examined what evidence there is for alternative schemes. None of them have borne fruit. The current system is workable, if in need of significant repair. You will cut off your nose to spite your face, ignorant of all that the current system has made for you.

>They CEO's make decisions that will benefit them and theirs
Glass houses.

>Your opportunity is built upon sand, and the tide is coming.
You lot have been saying this since Marx. It has yet to happen the way you imagine it. I have made myself to be useful no matter what the political or economic climate. I have chosen an profession that cannot so easily be automated. I have made the right choices, and you have made the wrong ones. I will prosper, and you will blame everybody but yourself.

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>>51363627
best alignment chart coming through, out of the way you merry bunch of faggots

>>51366547
shit
/leftypol/ is here
aren't you faggots supposed to be on cripplechan

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>>51363627
I fixed your line for you.

If it weren't for 4chan, I don't think I would have ever considered the pros and cons of international nuclear war.

>>51368259
You are being trolled so hard, my man. It's a shame you can't see it. Every time tou make a concrete point, he scoots off to some other subject:

YOU: unions are lazy.
>HIM: anecdotal! No data!
YOU: here's a link to the data.
>HIM: ...look at this picture of child slavery!

>HIM: command economies are great IRL!
YOU: actually, the Great Leap Forward killed millions.
>HIM: Oh, so you think the US has never violated human rights?!

Let him be a Chess Pigeon on this one. He'll never see the truth, he's just trying to piss you off.

>>51369226
I'm fully aware. Would you believe I derive erotic pleasure from stupid arguments? I mean, I just kind of assumed that was why everyone else was here. I doesn't make sense otherwise.

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>>51369378
Thread redeemed. It was all worth it.

>>51365319
>Pinkos
>Ever
>Fucking
>Working
Anon...

>>51366135
>I am the senate
why did I lose so hard at that?

>>51365477
Ha, jokes on you faggot.

I'm a Monarchist, your picture only shows the beauty of a well structured and divinely chosen society of Royals and Nobles leading their people to safety and prosperity.

When will you darn capitalists and communists realize the true power of a Monarch appointed by divinity, and transcend the petty squabbles of your class based rivalry?

Bet you didn't see that one coming, eh? :^)

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>>51369991
Since when did gibbets get Wi-Fi?

>>51366547
>implying the financial collapse happened because of "bosses"
>implying decision making without a central authority isn't an inefficient shitshow
>implying industrial management skills and experience with corporate financial budgeting are a realistic expectations to impose on the average laborer, who wants to do what they're trained to do so long as they are treated and paid fairly
>implying "bosses" are just fat cats who spend all day counting their money in their offices (which they don't need, since they obviously don't do any work, being bosses and all) and not just the name for the highest tier of management in a company

Why do AnSyns take such glee in validating the stereotype that they've literally never had a job before?

>>51371014
Because as all marxists they don't want to work.

Working hard at a non-shit job (ie burgerflipper which is all marxis can acquire without daddy's evil capitalist help) quickly moves you towards ancap when you see YOUR hardwork being taxed to pay for filthy marxists laziness.

>>51365262
>implying
There is no randomness, no chaos, no chance.

Only a rule we haven't figured out yet.

Or maybe you compensate for aerodynamics and air pressure every time you flip a coin.

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>>51371588
'Sup nigga, you're wrong what you are asserting has not been demonstrated as and is not known to be definitively true

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>>51366362
> Who's gonna organize shit?
> There's something to be said for the idea that bosses can be and are overpaid.

Owners are not managers, bucko.


>>51371480
> taxed to pay for filthy marxists laziness.
It's called "Liberal". Commies don't have welfare. See USSR. Not working was illegal.


>>51368954
Our /tg/ got overrun by /pol/. And then there are Liberal raids from reddit - they think catgirls are reactionary or something. It's time for a vacation.


Also, I demand to put Communists in Chaotic Evil. Revolutions are not Lawful.

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>>51371806
>posting Schroediger's equation to counter the statement about "no randomness"
>not posting Heiesenberg's uncertainty principle instead
Why?

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>>51363627

>>51373234
Lawful Neutrals are always assholes anon. They care more about their rules than other people.

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>using systems based on moral absolutism

>>51368580
>Debate about alignments
>Devolves into debate about Statism
>Go lower into debate about Class struggle
>Hit bottom when debating about "socialism vs capitalism"

*popcorn*

Always fun to read

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Fixed it.

>>51368374
>who do not toil own
>you must preform hard manual labor in order to be worthy of a salary
Now I understand why communist countries fail, they're all run by idiots who have zero concept of wealth generation by mercantile exchange and that those who set up such exchanges and ideas for products to exchange are worthy of compensation.

>>51374734
Well this by far the most obnoxious, well done.

>>51375053
Why would they want to make any exchanges ?

Their utopia is supposed to be a self-sufficient paradise where the State allocates perfectly all goods and services according to its perception of what each person's needs are.

Though you might say that, with the Information Age, the capacity to make such allocation of ressources might be possible :
Imagine a State-run Amazone, where you can order anything in exchange for some credits you earned working for the State.
On the long run, statistics would available in such details that the State could effectively plan for demand (which was the big economic failure of socialist systems historically)

>>51375832
>I hate the invisible hand of the free market idea
>I hate trades
>how will the state determine what people need?
>Oh it'll just observe the invisible hand of the free market and collect information on people's trades

/pol/ and /leftypol/ pls go.