destructible environment/items in TTRPG

>>51327657
>3.5 has badly designed rules
HOLD THE PRESSES!

But seriously, PCs tearing down walls and such isn't exactly common enough to make good rules specifically for that. Not to mention that using combat rules for non-combat demolition work is somewhat dumb to begin with.

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>>51327657
If you're destroying a wall in a noncombat situation, why would you need to roll to hit the wall? Why not just take 20?
If your issue is with the time it would take to get through a wall, that's a whole different thing.
Is that the issue?

>>51327657

I fucking despise literal roll players.

I mean, this isn't entirely directed at you OP, but you should understand why I'd take offense to 2 people breaking through a 10ft wall of stone in 6 minutes with a fucking knife and a pick because the "rpg math" checked out.

If you're going to go at it like that I don't even see any point in you playing a traditional game- you may as well just play an actual video game like age of mythology or warcraft or something.

>>51329013
>If you're destroying a wall in a noncombat situation, why would you need to roll to hit the wall?

Because it does in fact have a AC 10 just for being itself. However we did not roll, rather just factored the AC as a limiter on power attack.

>Why not just take 20?

Two reasons. First you can only take a 20 on skill check and this is still a attack roll. Second taking a 20 takes 20 times as long as normal. What we were trying to do it take down the wall as fast as possible because we were using scrolls of silence to prevent people from hearing us make a hole.

>If your issue is with the time it would take to get through a wall, that's a whole different thing.
Is that the issue?

Yes. Me and the other players did in fact go with it but it was still a WTF moment. I was the one who figured it out as a means to get to a plot important item ( namely a part of the Rod of Seven Parts). The thing is that it was the only part of the rules to give a idea of how long it would take to do that and the DM did not give a ruling otherwise.

I just wish that there had been better rules recourse.

>>51329209
>I mean, this isn't entirely directed at you OP, but you should understand why I'd take offense to 2 people breaking through a 10ft wall of stone in 6 minutes with a fucking knife and a pick because the "rpg math" checked out.

In my defense It was not a issue that my character could of talk his way pass. We were after a item inside bricked up tomb inside a catacombs guarded by constructs under a temple that the guys running would have every reason to not let us have the item. Because it is part of a item that is the prison for a powerful demon lord. Getting all the parts back to gather lets out said demon lord... Said temple was in fact inside a rather large city also so fighting our way in or out would get out of control real fast.

Also the priests of said temple did not tell us why they were guarding that item ( no one in the party knew in character about the demon lord part). Lastly my character was under a Geas to get all the parts of the item.

We sneaked into the catacombs and needed to get inside said tomb with out making to much noise. The fix was scrolls of silence. I just did not expect it to be 10 damn feet of stone. It is like the DM was trying to force combat and thus a giant bloodbath. So i looked to the rules to see how long it would take to cut the tomb open.