/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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>no d20
>no summary
>no keeping track of thread number
XXVIIth Thread for the VIIth.

So what's the "polite limit" on the use of Cybernetica in 2k/2.5k games?

My Genetor army I've just ordered some kits for essentially buy Castellax in boxes of 3, since they use Stormvermin bodies. (Which will need an ungodly amount of work to remove all the spikes and detail and replace it with Admech and Bullgryn armour, but that's the way the world works)

This means I'm probably going to have 6, two S10 melee/Maulerbolt, 2 Darkfire Cannons and two undecided. Add in a Thanatar and maybe a Vulturax or some Vorax.

Would that be a reasonable list to expect people to fight or would that be MC spam? Eventually it's going to be fairly combined-arms, with a couple Reductor tanks, some Thallax and Magi of all types, but I'm starting with the Cybernetica.

Also, does anyone have the technique for greenstuffing on rivets? Going to need lots of them.

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Inferno in July edition.

>>51324106
Talons of the Emperor free pdf edition.
Worst legions delayed till July sub edition.

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>>51324106
Ah, but July of which year :^)

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>>51324106

>>51324106
51324106s don't lie.

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>>51324106
Praise the dark gods

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>>51324183
yes, cry more

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>>51324106

>>51324183
>>51324261
Wait, why would Angron be angry?

...

Why would Angron be angry about this in particular?

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>>51324106

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>>51324305

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>>51324106
Why do you lie?

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>>51324327

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So are these the only good ways to run Stone Gauntlet outside of Zone Mortalis, and of them, which is the better option?

> Land Raider + MSU spam

> Footslog the ones that aren't blobs packed into Spartans behind your heavy vehicles

Can't believe it took me so long to figure out that this was supposed to be a vehicle-heavy RoW. Suppose the description should have been a hint: "phenomenally resilient interlocking defence [...] a grinding, implacable battering ram of force."

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Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>51324345
I WILL END YOU, WORD BEAR.

>>51324305
EMPEROR AKBAR

>>51324229
>I feel the paint overtaking me!
>it is a good paint!

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>>51324368
>Rolled 10

DECIMATION

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>>51324368

>>51324364
>that Dorn's face
>positions are fortified in the distance

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Why do I feel like these threads get worse and worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYOM0U5_Nxc

Great start to the thread lads, top work on ignoring the fisherman.

Anyway, some questions to try to get things back on track. Do you use named characters in your armies, or go full Your Dudes? And if you do, do you use them because they bring good rules to your army, or because you like them in the fluff?

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post your boxnaughts

>>51324399
Full your dudes. If I absolutely have to use a named SC for their rules, I use a converted model with its own fluff

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>>51324399
I occasionally use Dynat, because the model is damn gorgeous

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Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>51324368
PRAISE THE DICE EMPEROR!
>>51324387
You die first!
>>51324394
Take this.
>>51324396
>>51324399
We got to change this.

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>>51324414
Have a potnaught in unlikely company.

>>51323998
>>>/HHG/'s Legion demographics
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
I'm sorry for fucking up the poll, can we start a new one?
There's no way a thousand people lurk ITT.

>>51324364
Phalanx Warders should get Counter Attack.

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>>51324396
MAKE /HHG/ GREAT AGAIN.

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>>51324395

>>51324399
Can I answer without actually having my army ready yet?

When I'm playing Cybernetica, I think I will include named characters, but since Scoria (Who I think I'll need since AFAIK the local meta is just "Cram Primarch+as many termies as possible and footslog because 4x4 table") is basically just a statblock at the moment, I can make mine look suitable and essentially use his rules as a "Counts-As".
Thinking Magos built in to teched-up Arachnarok Spider (Anacharis Spider?) or Canoptek Spyder.

>>51324472
PRIMARCHS ARE NOT FOR WAIFUING.

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>>51324464

>>51324443
Dreads had to start out from somewhere and pots might as well be the start.
>>51324454
It's the ALfags. Just look at their numbers.

>>51324399
I'm a goddanm fluff fag. Named dudes are ok, but they're a minority.

>All the marines in my army have a fluffy name or nickname.
>Every model is modelled to be more unique.
>I got into the game explicitly for the 'muh dudes', painting and modelling.
>Have over 5k worth of my army but mostly play KT and small games.

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>>51324506
CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT SHITPOSTING SCUM?
I WILL BRING GLORY TO /hhg/

>>51324454
If we do make a new poll, can we add Mechanicum, SA and Militia/Cults to that list? Otherwise not much of a poll.

>>51324483

Why do folks keep saying scoria looks like a scorpion? Where does it say this? It doesn't say in his stat block or his fluff blurb. Can I get a page citation? I'm honest to god curious at this point.

>>51324483
Anachnarok spider might be too big, that model is kind of massive. I think canoptek stuff will fit very well with hereteks though.

>>51324519
>>It's the ALfags. Just look at their numbers.
It's just one, and I am him. I went into memetic overdrive on the poll when Praetorian of Dorn dropped.

>>51324551
Agreed.

>>51324555
Anacharis Scoria. First Dark Mechanicum Lord and has a Scorpion body.

From Battle Bunnies AFAIK:

/2016/02/the-horus-heresy-retribution-seminar.html

At least, that's where I think it's from

>>51324304
That's clealry Alex Jones.

>>51324395
It is very good artwork. Captures the Fists' spirit very well.

http://krzysztofmalecki.deviantart.com/art/WH40K-Rogal-Dorn-632570885

>>51324399
Depends if they have a model or not, and whether I like it.

I'm going to use the Calth praetor (unedited, ironically) as Erasmus Golg, but I'm not sure if I'll fluff him as Golg or just another Terminator captain who's a tough leader. I think the face on Calth (as I'm provisionally calling him) looks more sympathetic than Golg's picture, so when it's painted I might judge him to be his own man.

>>51324454
>Phalanx Warders should get Counter Attack.
That would be interesting. Counter-attack on top of defensive grenades basically says "don't charge this unit".

What are your thoughts on their power axes and the cost for them? How many is worth it, and how many is enough?

>>51324454
>The least played 7 legions are loyalist.

That means most people here play traitors.

I never expected to see that much faggotry on my /hhg/, truly, I am disappointed.

>inb4 le edgy muh loyalist AL and IW.
How come the most played legions are soom of the most WAAC ones Also, the IW require no skill at all to paint, even better for WAACfags

>>51324368
>rolling a d10
>in a d6 game

>>51324560
He is kind of badass, though. I think I'll get the Canoptek, since the bits will be helpful anyhow and see how it goes.

Fantasy spider would require loads of extra armour, too, and currently my supplies of that are going on the Castellax and Arlatax counts-as beasties.

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>>51324574
Pretty accurate.
>>51324575
>and I am him
Stop the meming.

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>51324621
Better?

Can the Malcador Infernus be taken in any army other than Solar Auxilia? It looks badass and has excellent rules, although I might personally bump the points by 60 or so and stick to the regular flamer.

>>51324648
Legions are allowed to take one or two as LOW. So if you decided you really don't need friends go for it

Is the mega broken?

Anyone know where I can find mechanicum rules?

>>51324616
>>Phalanx Warders
Alpha Legion can stick Counter Attack on them.
As for Power Axes, it's always relative to the squad strength. I'd equip them with some, but leave enough bolters and special weapons to make them a good provocateur unit.

>>51324619
A good portion are loyalist molemen.
How are the two legions WAAC?

>>51324630
An unfortunate syntagm.

>>51324720
Do you also think Plasma Guns are the best for them?
Regular breachers already have meltas, and the 24" range/rapid fire is more of an enticement for infantry to finish the job in melee, rather than a warning for vehicles to stay away/watch their flanks.

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>>51324541
>>51324464
>"I think the only difference between me and the other poster is that I’m more reserved and my images are more original."

>>51324716

Why is the admech lord of war list so limited in comparison?

And the Mechanicum? I don't see it in either list. Is it one of those "Can take from other FW stuff box" units?

Also, is it that bad? Lots of things are 2+ armoured in the Heresy. I really don't know much about the 30k Meta.

>>51324911
It is in the "you can take these other FW toys for your marines box"

What makes the Infernus stupid OP is that you can give it Chem Munitions, which make it poisend 2+ and AP 2. Even besides that, being able to move 12'' and fire a 16'' long template with 18'' Torrent means there is no escaping it.

Both the Astartes Red Books in the MEGA seem to be the "Legions" one, not the vanilla army list. Where's that?

Is the Power Axe pretty much useless?

What if it was just a minus 2 penalty to Initiative, and treated units with an armour save of 2+ as having an armour save of 4+?

>>51324965

The new mechanicum red book has an explicit boxout that says "If the unit shows up in another 30k list, you can't take it."

>>51324965
Ah, OK. Presumably that means that I can have one for the Mechanicum too?

I might see what I can do re. houseruling it down a but, because I do like the idea of a giant flamer tank.

>>51324986
Ehm what ? Have you been smoking something ? Power axes are THE option if you want to save points but still crack 2+ saves. Specially in 40k everybody swapped their powerfists on models for power axes, because less points, more attacks and having Str 8 only matters if you want to ID something. With the points you save you can even take a meltabomb and take down vehicles way better than a powerfist can too.

>>51324986
Why would the power axe be useless? It's an AP2 weapon that comes free on Terminators. Look at it objectively, when buying units efficiency is increased by the number of models on the board that offer redundancy, making it ever more likely that you will be able to pose a threat to the opponents army, regardless of composition.

For example, Heavy Support Squads have value in that the sheer number of heavy weaponry ensures decent saturation threat saturation. Ten Las Cannons is relatively more effective at posing a threat than a singular vehicle.

If you are planning on fielding a specific model because of the wargear or the weaponry it offers then be sure to field at least one more unit that offers the same spectrum of utility or threat.

When it comes to vehicles I would always suggest fielding two.

>>51324983
One is the "Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List", that's the latest generic legion red book, the other book, "Age of Darkness Legions" contains all the legion specific rules.

>>51325044
>having Str 8 only matters if you want to ID something
That's the biggest thing for me, honestly.

And I was thinking with armoured ceramite, power fists are not weaker than melta bombs anymore.

>>51325259
Meltabombs have Armourbane, not Melta, as they have no range. Therefore they don't give a damn about Armoured Ceramite because rules.

>>51325259
AC only works against Melta. Melta-bombs have Armourbane.

>>51325140
I've tried both links, and they both lead to the Legion-Specifics book. Odd.

>>51325259
Meltabombs work just fine against Armoured Ceramite.

AC only stops Melta weapons, and Meltabombs are Armourbane. Meltabomb-spam was one of thé go-to tactics to deal with AC vehicles, so where you got the idea that it stops meltabombs from ... But maybe you just never play and only theoryhammer

>>51324424
How did you paint the blue?

>>51325333
>thé
taco detected.

>>51325286
>>51325291
>>51325333
Wow, forgot about that.

>But maybe you just never play and only theoryhammer

It's... been a while...

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I love duty and destroying the Enemies of Man. How do I properly paint, fortify, and equip the Imperial Fists? I already have stronghold assault, several fortifications and 2 B@C. Can I use Army Painter Yellow and buy several whirlwinds or basalisks?

>>51324885
Well, since I've just looked, we have literally everything else that isn't a Fellblade or something of the sort. Also, that "If it is in the Legions book or something you can't take it" restriction only locks out the Space Marine specifics and the Stormhammer, so the Marauder, the IA:Apoc version of the Infernus (shittier sponsons, no Fast, can be immobilised by Explodes results, so I'd say a decent tax for using the "LoW Box" rather than having it in the list normally), the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT and all that lot are fair game.

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>>51325376
>How do I properly paint, fortify, and equip the Imperial Fists?
Get in the pain glove and don't come out until you can psychically apply yellow paint on the molecular level.

>>51325337
White undercoat.
First layer a 50/50 mix of dark purple (like xereus purple) and boltgun metal (or whatever it is called these days)
Then two thin layers of 50/50 torquoise (like sotek green) and boltgun
Highlights with 50/50 torquoise and mithril silver
Guilliman blue glaze to finish it of.

>That I considered this an quick, easy paint scheme maybe implies that I paint too much ...

>>51324528
Can I see your dudes, fluff-kun?

>>51325376
Paint them as Iron Warriors, but leave out the black stripes from the chevrons.

>>51324364
Still didn't get an answer for this question.

>>51325441
>until you can psychically apply yellow paint
VIOLATIONS OF THE EMPEROR"S EDICT OF NIKAEA!!!

>>51325450
Cool thanks, maybe not quick scheme but it looks nice. The Guilliman blue really makes it pop. You got anymore pics of your AL dudes?

>>51324619
>>inb4 le edgy muh loyalist AL and IW.
H-hey!
I voted DeeGee because I identify, but also like the IWs (identify) and ALs (tactical memery), all of them loyalists.

IFs, WEs, ECs, UMs and IHs are my Sworn Brothers.

>>51325497
Back to the glove I go.

>>51325514
Anons who are your Sworn Brothers (and yo whom)?

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>>51325502
A few. Here's one of the tactical squads

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>>51325594
Niiice

>>51325594
for the love of god get a smaller brush for those freehands or tidy them up

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Just a few more alphariuses and we'll have everything we ever dreamed of!

>>51325778
Even more Alphariuses?

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>>51324044
Thanks for liking the established system. I wonder who will claim the threads now that we've gone beyond 20.
I guess they're the free-for-all threads?

I've been watching a few batreps and games at the local FLGS before I start 30k, and the ones I watch in person seem to have way less vehicles. Any particular reason for that? I'd rather not prep my robots with Land's Raider-busting guns and then waste them all popping tactical marines.
Also, are Primarchs that common? Nearly every game has one or more in, and you'd think that two wouldn't show up to every relatively small skirmish for a duel.

>>51325788
Even more chunks of Alpharius, courtesy of Rogal Dorn

>>51325832
The amount of vehicles probably depends on how much people can spend on FW goodies, as FW made sure all their toys are super good, whilst things that have plastic versions (preds, boxdreads) are at most mediocre.

Primarchs also depends on people's preferences. Primarchs are almost never fielded here. Though if BL is to be believed the primarchs were duking it out at every opportunity they got...

>>51325919
OK then. Probably a good idea to build to be able to handle them, then? I seem to be the first Mechanicum player there.

What are the usual answers for AV14, Primarchs etc.?
I'm thinking plasma or similar and just one of the many Ordnance guns I have floating around the army list?

Can I use Rewards of treason to add a second primarch to my AL?

>>51326036
No, units that are Unique are not allowed. Anything else is fair game.

>>51325761
You absolute madman.

>>51326058
Ah, ok, thank you.

>tfw I'll never be able to legally field muh buddy cop primarch duos.

>>51326069
I guess nobody ever told him you should not poke the bear.

>>51325761
>tfw you share name with Bjorn

I remember this thread being a tad faster than this.

Anyway, does anyone here actually use the Allied Detachment, or is it poor form or something? I kind of want to throw some Solar Auxilia line troops or Militia and Cults tarpits in with my Beep Boops.

>>51326036
That would be hilarious.

I'd love to imagine how a random Alpha legionnaire could pass himself off as Ferrus Manus and be that strong.

>>51326206
I think most people just like to focus on their favorite army of dudes

>>51326212
Or imagine an alpha legoinnaire that infiltrated somewhere as Horus himself

>>51326212
It's Omegon dressed up for Halloween.

>>51326206
I'd like to make some chapter serfs/thralls for my SW, but before I see any legion rules and RoWs, I can't be sure if it'll happen (like if there's an RoW I really want to use but it disallows Allies).

I'd also love to field some Nurgle daemons with my DG, but no daemons for non-WB yet. Maybe in the future we get something like the Diabolist for other legions.

>>51326331
True. I guess 30k has a lot more focus on the Legions as a cohesive thing.

>>51326362

You could always not use that RoW or use one of the generics that allows allies. More allow Cults+Militia allies than Legions, anyways.

No idea about the daemons, but I guess you could always do some more chaosy Death Guard, run them as Word Bearers and summon in the daemons, although that's convoluted as hell.
Alternatively, some Cults and Militia with the provenance that makes your HQ a daemon, and maybe the +1T one might result in something close enough. Probably eventually going to be rules for them, though.

>>51326471
>You could always not use that RoW

I know, I just usually build my armies with the idea that I can field everything I got at the same time if I want to, so I don't want to break FOC slots and often build them with certain rules in mined (be it chapter tactics, RoW, Chaos mark, etc.) Currently I got no RoW and I mostly got what I wanted to get/field regardless of how well they'll work with the legion rules once they arrive. But I'm sort of in a standby mode right now because I need to know what rules there will be so I know what to focus on next.

As for DG, I'll wait. In time the traitors are bound to get access to daemons to some extent.

>>51326341
That makes sense, surprisingly.

BL, GET ON IT!

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Working more on my truescale marines.
I am having way too much fun doing this, these conversions, although simple, allow so much character to be added to each model.
This is my first attempt at a centurion, I am not 100% sold on it but I think it looks better than my MkIV attempt.
And constructive criticism on the model?
>Inb4 truescale is dumb

>>51326773
Stop calling them truescale marines. I love the look of the termy/marine mash but they are not truescale and you are not attempting to make them truescale. That requires plasticard and measuring, not just kitbashing.

>>51326773

>weird proportions
>The belt is chock-full of shit to hide the horrible gaps
>lazy "truescale" composed of Tartarsauce armour sans hood plus marine arms
>Spehss yiffs
>tripfag

2/10, try again.

Also Neck. Your. Self.

>>51326773
don't put your jeans in the washer

>>51326873
You expect a tripfag to have any idea what he is talking about?

>>51326773
>>51326873
>>51326894
Just stop responding to them and giving them attention. Eventually they will starve to death.

>>51326873
Truescale is the term given in the tutorial I am loosely following.

>>51326890
>weird proportions
see picture, I think they are better and more realistic than the regular marines.
>The belt is chock-full of shit to hide the horrible gaps
That's not the reason, I like adding pouches to all of my marines.
>lazy "truescale" composed of Tartarsauce armour sans hood plus marine arms
Just following the guide from Doghouse, loosely because my GS still hasn't arrived in the mail.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327755-heresy-iron-warriors-wip-40k-imperial-fists-101216/#entry4559676

>>51326894
The legs were taken from a model I bought off eBay from a larger purchase. Despite what others say about my modeling, I saved it from a horrible existence.

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>>51327031
Forgot the picture.

>>51327031
> truescale is the term given in the tutorial i am loosely following.

Well stop repeating the mistakes of others. You have the opportunity to end a cycle of misinformation, use that powah!

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>>51327322
The only other name I can think of would be 'Artscale'

>to the anon who asked why I used the holstered bolter instead of just a 'mag locked' bolter
It's because there isn't an unhanded bolter in the SW box, nor the BoP/BaC marine sets, nor the thunderwolves set. I had already chopped up all of the old style Phobos bolters I had to fit other models, otherwise I would have used it.

>>51327442
Artscale would still be more accurate, since it is literally not truescale.

I just refer to them as terminator marines, or any other random thing i feel like calling them. Are you going to be using those in a force or are they independant models for fun?

The only reason I have not done it is because it would make my standard termies/everything else look even weirder in scale.

>>51327546
Regular marines for larger games, 'terminator marines' for sub 1k games. Can't afford to have a whole army of them, and it will be fun to spend an hour or two playing with them.
Right now I am assembling a 500 point army, which I know is 2500 away from the level 30k hits its stride, but that's what my lgs normally plays at for pick up games.

Another thread ruined by a /pol/ cuckold... And people think Word Bearers are annoying.

>>51327709
?
>and people think Word Bearers are annoying.
Honestly, the WBs is just bants, until they start ranting about UMs being reddit ducks, at which point you know it's /pol/ anyway.

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>And people think Inferno is gonna save this bread

So, lets talk about the one superheavy everybody forgets, even FW itself : the Cerberus.

It looks cool. The idea behind it sounds cool. Yet it got trash rules that make it arguably worse than a Sicaran venator for twice the point cost. So, let's argue about what you would do to make it worthwile.

The main thing is that the main gun only fires D3 times. When you first see a pic of the model with those 3 immense laser barrels, it is hard not to be impressed. But one glance at the weapon's profile, and everybody is guaranteed dissapointed. So, at least 3 shots I'd think, because 3 barrels doing just one shot sounds ... depressing.
According to its fluff, the gun also has an enhanced ability to do collateral damage compared to a Turbolaser. What would be a good rule to represent this ? Maybe something like rather than just 1, it does D6 hullpoints of damage each penetrating hit ?

>>51327768

Inferno won't save this bread, this bread will be internet dust well before Inferno comes out.

>>51327768
Change the gun profile itself.

At the beginning of each turn, the player needs to decide which firing profile to use.

>Fires all three barrels at once
Same stats as before.
However, this means it needs to cool down, not being able to move during the next nor fire all three for two more shooting phases.

>Fires on barrel
BS5, looses the feedback trait.
Looses no other abilities.

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>>51327824
>meant to say /hhg/ and forgot to correct it

Guess the moron here is me.

>>51327824
>we here at forgeworld are very sorry to say that due to the recent Age of Strife we must delay The Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno until such a time as the Emperor of Mankind reunites humanity and reconnects us the our production world

>>51327824
We need to cleanse the thread of autism, memes and tripfags.

>>51327891
>cleanse the thread of autism
So we have no posters
>cleanse the thread of memes
So we have no posts
>cleanse the thread of tripfags
Well, fair enough.

>>51327867
>makes it objectively worse than it currently is
why do you even continue to breathe

>>51327891

Isn't that what the Discord is for? Ever since it appeared, Posting has slowed, memes have gone down and we only have one lone persistent tripfag.

>>51327923
I rather have a weekly thread then a daily thread that's completely without substance.

>>51327884
>we here at forgeworld are very sorry to say that due to the currently ongoing siege of the Imperial palace, Inferno has been delayed untill such a time where resources can be spared for anything else than the defence of our Emperor

>>51327768
Three shots, maybe not twin linked, instead of d3

Add d6 wounds to occupants per pen, saved as normal

rest as normal

It does have a flare shield base already.

>>51327936
Never heard of this Discord thing. What is it?

>>51327768
Ask not what /hhg/ can do for you, ask what you can do for /hhg/.

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>>51327935
Despite the fact you're right, please note pic related.

>>51327986

A den of scum and villainy. A home of endless shitposting and dank memes. /hhg/ without any rules and regulations.

Link's in the first post if you're crazy enough,

>>51327986
Basically a chat room app
So teamspeak but easier to use
Invite is this
General 4chan rules of don't be a dick, and if you wanna go offtopic post in the 40k channel
https://discord.gg/wYS2J6b

>>51327768
Give it a triple-barreled turbo-laser.

>>51328017
Sounds like I can live without it.

>>51325796
What's the story behind this? As a Bangel I'm intrigued

>>51327961
>we here at forgeworld are very sorry to say that due to the ongoing Siege of Vraks, The Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno has been delayed until such a time where the stocks can be recovered by the tyranny of Cardinal Xaphan

>>51328151

>we here at forgeworld are very sorry to say that due to the ongoing raid on Kastorel-Novem, The Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno has been delayed until such a time as the Imperium retakes the supply canisters from the Orks.

>>51328095
Batman V Superman interview mashed with how BA get everything better compared to IW

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>>51326773
>>51327031
>>51327056
>>51327442
>>51327602
>>51327867
I hope (You)r happy, constantly splitting the thread, ruining trips so Al and Uni had to go into hiding, persisting in your shit. How many times do we have to say it, leave, go, shoo, we do not want you here, you leaving this thread/ killing yourself would be better than HQ scans of inferno desu.
So seriously just fucking leave and stop posting

>>51328196
>we here at forgeworld are very very deeply sorry to say that due to the dividing of planet cadia, The Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno has been delayed until such a time as the printed copies can be recovered from the Iron Warriors, who have taken the entire library and are currently playing the game themselves.

>>51328226
no

>>51328226
>ruining trips so Al and Uni had to go into hiding
Actually, that happened just before AWG arrived, like the very thread before. I remember gloating over people REEEEEEEing over buying 1000 marines at once quite distinctly.

>>51328285
Stop using a tripcode, you're a grot for creating your own.

>>51328273

>we here at forgeworld regret to inform you that due to the Thousand Sons assault on Fenris, The Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno has been delayed until such a time as when the libraries on Sororitas can reopen when their Librarians return.

>>51328314
I can remember AWG adopting a trip when he actually started building the mk7 models (ZOMG A CHAINSWORD) after bragging about his 3 T H R E E Calth boxes and FW R E S I N models. But I also remember Al using his whilst AWG was posting his cancerous models, then some poster said how annoying trips were and Al disappeared. Then when he did use the trip again it was for a Spiddish post, and he said people stopped liking trips
If you want to go into the archives fine but that's what I remember

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I think everyone here needs to take a good look at this gif, and think to themselves "How could I be more like them"

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>>51328370
Still have the picture,though the models been updated

>>51328380
by filtering tripfags they don't like and just not replying to them

I think a lot of it also has to do with not having much to talk about. With the fact that no one here

>actually plays

and because Inferno is constantly delayed, we really just don't have much to do but shit things up.

>>51328380

Eat Carrots and hop around?

>>51328380
Sorry for being a reactionary to a reactionary?

>>51328401
CANCER
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>>51328416
>>51328008

>>51328401
Why do you feel the need to constantly respond, you know you're not welcome here, if you like us and want to join the community. Then come back in 5 months without a trip and you'll be welcomed with open arms because we'll have seen people worse than the guy who jerks off to the skaven armybook post

>>51328464
Why are we butthurt over someone posting wip and content? It's better than twiddling our thumbs waiting for Inferno and watching the bitter pile up.

I guess the draw of the Heresy is that you just like crusading against anything?

F I L T E R
I
L
T
E
R

seriously, ignore them, and filter them

I G N O R E
G
N
O
R
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>copy !!7XgWMYDRj1y
>click settings
>>filters and post hiding
>>>filter and hide specific threads/posts
>click [Edit]
>paste !!7XgWMYDRj1y into pattern
>click Hide
>save
>save settings
There you go /hhg/

>>51328499
Because it's bad content we want high range stuff,we're 4chan not Reddit, if you have maximus shoulder pads on iron armour then there better be some cables connecting the two. If you're using a Daedalus bolt pistol but a Livonia CHAINSWORD I will complain

>>51328464
because I am going to be gone for 2+ years with the training in my Navy stint, but I am going to keep the trip. I honestly don't expect any of you to be around in two years, let alone six months when I leave.

Like Trap just said, even though you dislike I use a trip, I still try to post content with each thread and help people.
I have found /hhg/ has been really motivating for me, helping push me to be a better modeler, painter, and player.

>>51328537
He still takes up the bump and image limit which we do not want

>>51328499
Because he doesn't fucking listen or take advice. He was told people don't like trips on this board/in this thread and was all like "hurr I know better". He was told trying to collect a 1000 dudemans is a good way to build up a massive backlog and run out of steam, and was all like "hurr I know better". He gets advice on modelling and painting and is all like "hurr I know better". I literally don't think I've seen him take on board a single bit of advice in these threads. He's ONLY here for attention and to fish for compliments, the pointless cunt.

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>>51328537
Everyone do this

>>51328560
>someone who knows about Chainsword marks
Can you give us a schooling anon?

>>51328560
Ohh, so the autism has coagulated into a being that's posting by itself? Good to know

Meanwhile I'm going to get back to working on my praetor (MkVI shoulder pads on a MkIV legion champ body - know you'll love it)

>>51328601
see>>51328578
I have taken a lot of advice /hhg/ into consideration for my models. Although this thread has been..... hostile towards me since day one, I owe it a lot and try to pay it forward with others on here.

>>51328588
So just make a new thread. It's not rocket science.

Hey guys, what's the point of Volkite on Terminators?

So calculating how much damage you'll do against, say, a normal marine, it comes out like this-

5 Combi-Bolters (rapid firing, of course)
>10 shots, twin-linked, for 6.6 initial hits, adding in 2.2 for the rerolls
>of the 8.8 shots, 4.4 wound on T4 (.5)
>from that, you get 1.5 wounds on power armor (1/3)
>not anything spectacular, but hey it's the basic gun.

But then- for 35 points mind- you get volkite.
>10 shots, for 6.6 hits
>of those, 4.4 will wound
>from there, same deal, 1.5 wounds
>however with deflagrate, you suffer an additional 1.5 hits, translating into 1 wound.
>that becomes .3 wounds, which added in make 1.8 wounds total.
>35 points
>for .4 wounds added

And that's not factoring in the added range of bolters, which arguably makes it better. It has the same ratio up to T8, which bolters can't wound at all.

The only real justification for the cost is against AV11, which is admittedly situational, and even then 15" means you're not using it too much.

Combi-Guns can at least do something special for 1 turn, but is there a piece I'm missing? Right now I'd argue they should be a free upgrade, or something less than 35 points!

>>51328710
>you'll do against, say, a normal marine
Theres your problem.

Use volkite when you fight militia, orks, nids, etc

>>51328710
This is a good point and volkite chargers are free for support squads (a change from the old book where they cost points).

It would make more sense if they were free for termies and command squads too.

>>51328710
It shouldn't be free, since it's better.
Also, closely related to the rule of cool is the rule of choom.

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>>51328710
Volkite just adds a kind of 'crit' factor to the shooting. If your opponent has one bad roll of saves, that's a whole lot of free bonus hits, meaning that when it rains, it pours.

Not that 7 points isn't too much, but then again the joke that is combi-volkite also excists

>>51328370
Yeah i kind of remember it in a similar way, but no one can deny the situation was worsening even before his arrival, and Uni & Czfag kind of weren't there most of the time.

>>51328617
>deliberately modelling wrong
Knock yourself out m8, just expect a hostile response here
>>51328630
>hostile since day 1
No, we kindly suggested you build bit by bit, and did not order 3 T H R E E Calth's at once, you chose to ignore us, you had witnessed armour autism and yet you put a mk7 head on a mk3 body. Then thought of the most petty excuse when asked
>herpaderp an ironwolf was the first designer of mk7 and even though it's a prototype they didn't change the design because that's how awesome the VLYKA FERNYKA are
>paying back
Yeah nothing says paying back like suggesting worse rules that don't even make sense for a model people said they wanted to make better
>>51328636
>make new threads
Literally divide the community, no just no, as long as he doesn't make the thread himself we shall try to be united, as afterall he is the Green person we are the Blue

>>51328848
If you want an eagle I think Njall would work fine for a stormseer

>>51328796
>better
No, I'd argue that based on the statistics it's more of a trade-off. Significantly shorter range for the advantage of +.4 to wounds done, and a chance at glancing Rhinos.

Sure, 2 or 3 points I could agree to, but 7? That's just plain overcosted

>>51328872
>3 calths
It was four Bops, and I sold the models I didn't want, basically getting four for the price of one.
When did I say an Ironwolf was the first designer of MkVII? I said the helm was there as a SW MkV type.
And I was trying to find lore friendly rules that would make sense.

>>51328848
It will fit, but you will need an upper arm for the model because of how the mold is.

>>51328872
>just expect a hostile response here

Oh I'm sure there'll be a whole mob right? Is it nice pretending your leading something anon? Does it compensate for your life?

>>51328854
It's a gamble though as you pointed out. Paying a lot for the chance that someone has a bad set of rolls is not a great deal when a squads worth of volkite would get you combi weapons or a couple plasma blasters (since we're using termies as the example).

If volkite was cheaper maybe, but I think the support squad points cost change sets a precedent that they really should be free. You're losing range and not gaining much effectiveness.

>>51328710
>Combi-Guns can at least do something special for 1 turn, but is there a piece I'm missing? Right now I'd argue they should be a free upgrade, or something less than 35 points!
>Tfw Lerneans are not too overcosted, but have Volkite tax which means giving them a power fist is even more expensive
Sadness
>>51328610
>Can you give us a schooling anon?
Seconding this one.
Chainswords with false edges for stabbing a best

>>51328872
>Literally divide the community

Yeah, you're right. I miss all the people who stayed in the old /hhg/ threads and never came here, but I'll take the ability to actually post over just sitting there staring at old posts without the ability to post.

>>51329034
>a thread with AWG and a thread without AWG is the equivalent to a dead thread and an active thread
Really releases the neurotransmitters across the synaptic gap
Reminder this would all be avoided if the man didn't take the extra time to put in his trip

>>51329108
No, the point is that if the post count runs out fast, you just make a new thread. Nothing of value is lost with having to make a new thread. It doesn't cost you anything. Just filter out the tripfags and continue posting like nothing happened. That's what I've been doing this whole time without having to cry my eyes out because the post count runs out faster.

>it's another AWG takes up 150 replies thread

Real talk AWG, why do you have the name? I can speak personally in saying you'll get better, more constructive replies if you drop the name.

On top of that, why do you always post asking for critiques and help, but argue and refuse whenever such help is provided?

I mean no offense, but for fuck's sake it's getting pretty annoying- I'd at least like to know why the hell you keep the name up. It's pretty fucking dumb, man.

>>51329293

As one who once sported a name I'll concur. The name became a curse after a while, to the point where even posting innocently in a thread could lead to a torrent of abuse because of the name alone. Losing the name was one of the best things that ever happened to me.

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>>51324619
Three loyalist legions just got rules but not special units or primarchs, including two of the popular 40k ones (DA, BA).

One of the popular ones has nothing (SW).

The other popular one in 40k (UM) has only en around since book 5.

Books 2 & 3 covered four loyalist legions, three of which got smashed and only played a minor role in the rest of the war. And two of which have boring paint schemes. IF have the best story of the four, so of course they have a bigger following.

>>51324986
Power axes are fucking dope in assault marine squads.
>waves of chainswords at initiative to cleave through mooks without armour and to act as ablative wounds
>hidden power axes spread throughout to fuck up unsuspecting terminators, don't care about I1 because of previously mentioned ablative wounds

>>51329702
>hidden

Err, the what now?

>>51329742
I think he means they're "hiding" behind other dudes. Not that the opponent can't see them, they just can't get to them before they Pile In.

>>51327957
/hhg/ really turned to shit once people started making new threads back to back instead of waiting a couple of hours/days.

>>51329802

That's the trajecotry of all generals though.

I'll be honest and say that HH Threads were better when they were sporadic, popping up every few days or weeks or so, and always being there whenever a HH Book was out and the Scananon was delivering.

>>51328380
It doesn't work, Anon. I'm so bitter that I might as well start playing IW.

>>51329857
Night everyone may I awake to see bunnies jumping for joy

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Ive saved $20 out of every paycheck Ive gotten since ive started 30k for when Inferno comes out

Ive got over $1000 to spend just on that one release

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Newfag here,

Planning on getting into HH within the next few months. I have a GW about 30 min away that I'm hoping has an avid player base. I've never really played any tabletop but I think it's time for a new hobby.

I gotten all the books and red books (pdf) to help decide what legion to choose and I've narrowed it down to 3 and what I like about each-

3. DG- Their attitude of attrition to victory (reminds me of WWI) and the use of rad and phosphex seems unconventional and fun . Their paint scheme does not look too difficult to paint as well, which is def a factor as I have little artistic sense/skill.

2. IF- I like the sense of duty and loyalty they convey. phalanx warrens and the heavy use of bolters seems sorta like pseudo romanesque tactics which have always fascinated me. Not crazy about their yellow ass paint scheme but having Dorn and Sig seems like a plus.

1. IW- As an avid gun-owner irl, gunlines and heavy ordnance tactics have a special place in my heart. Iron havocs, tyrants, iron circle, lots of MKIII everywhere, and the option to go loyalist if need be. They remind me of the uruk-hai in the lotr movies; sorta single minded with little care for casualties as long as the job gets done. Paint-wise they look pretty simple other than the hazard stripes.

The only issue is that, judging from you guys on the general, all three seem popular picks. I've also debated on UM and WE which don't seem quite as popular or just waiting for inferno to come out and see what SW will look like. SO should I wait and do my homework a bit more or go with my gut and most likely end playing a popular legion? Any advice to a budding player would be great as well.

>>51329969
>local GW
Check it out before you start, you don't want to dump 500+ dollars only to find nobody plays it for miles.

>Which legion
IF is definitely out, yellow is notoriously hard to paint.

However based on what you described, maybe look at Iron Hands? Retardedly easy yet cool color scheme, WW1-style infantry tactics (seriously, these guys are the best at it. Bar none.), and better access to guns than most, you really should consider playing them instead.

Especially since they're less often played and have some cool stuff, besides me I think there's only 1-2 anons that play them. You should give them a look, better fluff and cooler crunch

>>51329969
Don't worry about playing a "popular" legion. It's your meta that really matters.

I might not recommend starting with 30k. Get BaC/BoP for your chosen legion and then play small (500-1000 point) 40k games with the SM/CSM codex. Almost everything except the Marine bodies themselves can translate.

>>51329969
>I have a GW about 30 min away that I'm hoping has an avid player base
Check it out first, chances are high that they don't play 30k. Some managers ban it entirely because buying resin from FW doesn't give them the sales numbers they desperately need.

>just waiting for inferno to come out and see what SW will look like
If you have any interest in SW whatsoever and you're in no rush, just wait.

>hurr popular durr
Just play the legion you like the most, who gives a shit about popularity. If you want to be a special snowflake, go all the way and play IH/RG/Salamanders and be the most unique cunt in the room.

Best way to run IF?

>>51329969
I think you should wait, since disliking something simply because in your opinion too many people like it is valid grounds for honest dislike, even if you in your heart do like the thing.

So dont you dare pick the popular ones, you GOTTA dislike them ;^)

>>51330216

Bolter wall. Fortifications. Heavy Support marines. Breachers optional.

>>51330201
>implying fully-converted militia and cults isn't the most special snowflake of all

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>>51328216
That's because they are better.
Bout time for me to hit the dusty old trail.

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>>51330298

>>51329293
>>51329337
Names help provide a sense of community- you know the persons motivations for what they say, what weight their words have based upon their shared experiences and knowledge.
Names also make people hold others to a higher standard - nobody cares if some rando has some mold lines apparent on one model, if they never see that person again.
But when I post my miniatures, it gets floods of critiques, from simple construction to the most minute form of armor autism.
If you have a name, you also -generally- have a greater internal drive to perform better, to prevent ridicule and to greater the standing of your name.

Communities are groups of individuals who share a common interest or occupation.
Because of this, without the individual identification, the community becomes one individual, saying many things but ultimately without a general direction or consensus.
With names, you not only have the bonus of a general direction thanks to the natural flow of leaders and followers, but you have the ability to vet all future opinions with those from past internal interactions and to build upon those interactions without having to constantly re-iterate them.

>TL:DR- I want to help /hhg/ grow to be more than randos who don't play shitposting, and part of that is having names.

>>51329969
Wait until Inferno, that way you can
1) save more money for the army, it will be expensive no matter who you play
2) see if the SW or TS will be the army you actually want to play.

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>>51324619
>White Scars at the bottom of the poll.
Saddle up, brothers! Let's carve a path through these traitorous dogs.

>>51330327
I would rather delete all the text and replace it with "IT IS WELL DONE"

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>>51330426
Done.

>>51330426
>IT IS WELL DONE.
>I IT S WELL DONE.
>IS IT WELL DONE.
>IS IT WELL DONE?

>>51330232
There's "one per city" special snowflake, then there's "one per state" special snowflake.

>>51330361
>tl;dr I don't understand how 4chan works as a community and I'm here to ruin it

>>51330556
>tl:dr I don't understand how each board, and then each thread is it's own community and I am here to ruin this thread
FTFY

>>51328710

Chargers aren't super impressive on terminators

Calivers would be next level badass on terminators

>>51328939

That +.4 wounds is against rapid firing combi bolters, so volkite actually has the range advantage there.

Volkite is much better than single firing against enemies within 12-15" and obviously much worse against 15"-24"

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>>51330556
Stop replying to him. He doesn't understand why the other name/tripfags besides Cruzefag who's not all there mentally stopped using names so let him starve for (You)s.

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>>51330298
>>51330327
>>51330479
>not making the obvious one

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>>51330731
I suck at edits you guys should know this. Here have this thing I did with Poland's flag eagle.

>>51330556
Do not reply to tripfags

>>51330137
will do, I considered them early on. I'll look into them some more.

>>51330174
>>51330201
>>51330218
I appreciate the feedback. I didn't say i wanted to be a special snow-flake, I just don't want end up being IW player #27 as they seem to be popular (not that that's a bad thing).

>>51330361
I'll prob wait for inferno. i just hope SW dont go full yiff.

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>>51330848
I don't think they'll go full yiff but if GW has any say in it then the Overwolf will reign supreme.

>>51330829
Uni was good. Nobody ever told him to drop the trip.

>>51330201
Salamanders are pretty rare unless you're in the GTA, apparently. I kicked up a group in Winnipeg and there are three IF players, two IW players, a DG, a BA, a SoH, an EC, and myself with both WB and Salamanders. Decent variety outside of those Fists, but some legions just never pop up anywhere.

>>51330848
Yeah, wait till Inferno. If they yiff out, go for Iron Hands and enjoy already unkillable vehicles healing themselves as they usher in blinding buttrape squads.

>>51330137
>>51330848
Would also recommend IH for their tactics. I have a blast each game with them

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How reasonable of a backstory is it to have a WS centurion who spent time with the Ravenwing as a cross legion training partnership?

>>51331572
>WS needing training with RW

That's like saying a falcon needed flying lessons from a jet pilot.

>>51331657

Who said it wasn't the other way around?

>>51331140
>>51330991

You are all fools, Blackshield Chymeraie option 1 are the ultimate foot soldiers.

Aka Thunder Warriors. AKA astartes shotguns, AKA S6 power axes, AKA, pariah bolter touting Seekers, AKA Heavy Weapons Squads more resistant to incoming fire.

>>51331674

BORN IN THE SADDLE, GUELO

[throat singing intensifies]

>>51331674
>RW who learned how to drive in the middle of dense Caliban forests needing lessons from plebs riding on open plains

Khan pls

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Can either of you teach me how to ride wolves?

>>51331572

Pretty reasonable anon.

>>51330572
stop being a cunt
that's pretty much your only problem
we'd get over your pointless naming and then tripping if you just weren't a dickhead

Where are the price lists for Fortifications?

I can't find them anywhere, and it sounds fun to buy some for my IFs

>>51332226
Newest rules are in Planetary Onslaught 40k supplement

>>51330361
We have community feeling without names attached to posts. Leaving aside the particular language of posts in anonymous culture, conversation itself creates the feeling, sense of spirit, expectations and everything else about a board, and in this case, a general. This is how language works and evolves.
I'm not going to try and explain every facet of anonymous culture to you, but part of it is that everyone's posts begin at an equal footing, and are evaluated for their content alone. Thus everyone has equal weight and their opinion or information is considered regardless of other factors.
This means that expert knowledge or whatever has to be communicated, no one can assume any mantles or positions and I'm not going to go much further but basically anon culture encourages high quality posts in relative terms to the thread they are posted in.
Everyone who chooses to post cares if some rando has mould lines or bad freehand, I can't believe you can say that considering you are in these threads. Even the fact you dimiss anons as "some randos" and put so much trust in a status signifier tells me a lot about your personality.
You get responses because a) your personality is abrasive b) you commit cultural faux against established cultural norms and preferences and c) you fish for them in a quite transparent manner of attention seeking. The quality of your responses is not high, and you usually choose to get into arguments or nay-say them, because of your poor personality and need to engage in some sort of personality-shoring sparring. This response to you is going to tickle your insecurity in a strong way, for example, and you're going to be please someone took you seriously enough to reply to you so much, despite the main content of my post being that you suck as a decent contributor and you have a severe lack of empathy and comradely feeling.
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>>51330361
>>51332348
This narcissicism continues with the bizarre belief that having a self-proclaimed ID in anon culture is necessary to have drive. You lack pride and mental fortitude and somehow believe that you can stamp out negative response by establishing a positive reputation. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of anon culture and paints you as a weak man.
Your second para also shows a fundamental misundertanding of an anon general. We do not wish a consensus.
>- is not a hive mind
we are a free-flowing creative discussion, your apparent wish to stamp us into your desired mode of conversation is inherently pointless and also quite rude. The undervaluing you make of anons is a shame for you. I wonder if you can even tell you're speaking to different anons or the same ones when you converse, or realise that the active posters are generally the same people. Again, a misunderstanding of what our kind of community is.

We don't want you to help us grow to be more than "randos". We aren't randos, we're anonymous contributors because we choose to be and like it. Stop trying to force us to obey your bizarre preferences.

If you wish a name, a persistent post history, a e-penis reputations and to receive plaudits for your (poor) contribs, go to literally any other GW centred board. They even 'like' each others posts and 'give reputation' at some of them.

You won't get the respect or adulation you think you deserve here, and every attempt you make to force your way of thinking onto an anon community will fail.

Ironically, you would achieve some respect if you went anon and stayed it. Because anons start with more 'respect points', you would be evaluated without the toxin of your name, and any prolonged conversation you have, each anon becomes distinguishable by content, language and tone, and this can continue as we're a general. But you misunderstand how these things work, alas. Hell, you think anon posts are worth less than ID posts. Sad!

>>51330361
I'm going to be honest with you. I personally don't give two shits that you have a name and trip. I wouldn't even notice except for some anons sperging out about it. But, if you honesty believe that you need names to form a community, especially on 4chan of all places, you either haven't been here very long, don't pay any attention to what goes on on this board, or are a serious idiot. A huge part of the community here is that 99% of the time we are faceless masses arguing, debating, and agreeing with each other over a variety of topics, without dragging any history into things. Your most hated opponent in one argument about DnD editions could be your staunchest ally in what Fantasy army is overpowered this month, and neither of you would have any idea. I might not care about your name, but I don't blame people that do, since you were politely warned when you first started using it that you'd make no friends here, but chose to do so anyway. If that's to build your idea of a community, congratulations, you're spitting in the faces of everyone who's embraced a community that's existed for years now and probably will for some time.

>>51332547

if you want the ultimate argument against having a trip or name, think of the fact that the one person who has done more than anyone else for the Horus Heresy community had steadfastly refused either.

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what do you guys think of my salamdners and emporers children scattered legions?

>>51332668
He-Man/10 good job

>>51332348
Thank you for the reply, I appreciate the time you put into it.
Some thoughts:
1) of the A/B/C list of why I get responses, honestly I only see B as being Valid. I do try to be un-abrasive and helpful, without any attempt at attention seeking.
Unless you consider posting WIP and non-shitpost content as attention seeking.
2) I do try to stay out of arguments, only replying with hostility to those who show me hostility.
3) IDC if the majority of your post is your opinion on me, this is one of the few times I have asked for this kind of discourse. I do honestly appreciate the approach you are bringing here, and if someone had this same approach the first time I posted with the trip here, I would've dropped it.
4) I do have some empathy, and a feeling of comradery otherwise why would I come back here after so much hostility? I have always maintained the position that I want to help /hhg/ grow and help those within it.

I would like to know what you think of my personality because of my 'dismissal' and reliance upon 'status signifiers'?
As I see it, all that it means is that I rely on the history of each person for a streamlined experience with the understanding that some people have more worthy opinions based upon their experiences and achievements.

>>51332547
>you can stamp out negative response by establishing a positive reputation
You mean that I continue to try to be a good person? How does that specifically make me a weak person, that I hold strong to my ideals?
I do not think anon posts are worth less than ID posts because they are anon, I think they have less of an impact on the general opinion and furthering of knowledge because they are anon.

>>51332595
I believe names help, a lot. I am not asking, nor have I ever asked, for everyone here to have names. Only instead to leave those who have them alone.
I've been here for many years, about seven. I have only been on this board for only a few months, however.

>>51332780
Nigga go to Bolter and Chainsword if you want to namefag.

>>51332102
Do not reply to tripfags

I've been doxed, threatened, and harassed because I chose to have a name.
Use a feature of the website in a way that doesn't fit into someone elses perfect little box, but I still try to be a good part of the community.
Everyone saying to drop the trip, do you not remember that it has been said that even if I do, everything I post will still be ridiculed, I will still be harassed, and still have people attempting to dox me?
I have already said, if I could get everyone to agree to stop, I would drop the trip.
And I tried, I have continually reached out and tried to bridge whatever gap there is, and yet people continue to destroy threads over me having a NAME.
Why drop the trip if nothing will change?

>>51332891
Honestly, just don't worry about it. Ignore the autistic 'muh secret club culture' fags and just post.

You can't win over some people so just be the best and let everyone else make their judgements.

>>51332780
>some people have more worthy opinions based upon their experiences and achievements.

This right here is what I have a problem with and is why I prefer the anonymous system of 4chan. Plato was a wise man, but not everything out of his mouth was gold. Trump says a lot of dumb things, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for him to create a well structured and thought out opinion. However, because they have a history, our minds will automatically apply that history, creating bias as we read/hear what they're saying.

While the anonymous message board doesn't negate that problem entirely (if it did there would probably be zero culture or community to the board) it does mitigate that somewhat, as the bias is in the general sense of 'someone who's posting on this board/thread' and whatever short term history builds up during the discussion. I greatly prefer it this way and while you might not actively be trying to force people to do it your way, that is how it's perceived when someone goes against the grain like you are. There are plenty of places where you can have the kind of discussion you desire, but far fewer that do this style that I and many other anons prefer.

>>51332780
Then, ignoring points a and c (although they are self-evident, if you do not see this I would encourage some self-reflection. I would encourage this in general considering the mess you make of the thread every time you post), if you acknowledge that you get the kind of replies you do because you choose to go against the thread culture, could you consider stopping that? It is fundamentally rude, you've been asked many times and yet keep doing it. Abrasive, no? I don't want to have to bring up allusions and treat you like an infant, but you're admitting you are aware that there is an expectation of conduct and that you're breaking it on purpose, and are also aware that it upsets people. People would like it if you would stop deliberately upsetting them.
That's really quite simple.
This behaviour ties into my other assertions, and you're continuing to show fundamental ignorance - like, basic grasp here - of anon practices and preferences.
We could talk more about that, but it's largely just going to be words words words, because those are specifics that clearly aren't worth going into if you maintain you are doing what you do to try and help.
It. Does. Not. Help. You actively make threads worse. For some time now. The tripping and naming makes it worse, but it's not the genesis of the problem, which is unfortunately the way you choose to post, when you originally became identifiable as a That Guy and since.

I mean, you consider everyone having names a streamlined experience, when it is actually the opposite. That creates baggage, egos, and the whole gamut of the problems created by bias that anon culture largely avoids.
We don't want that here. That's why we're here.

As to your belief about anon posts, you are so far off base you've been declared AWOL.

>>51332891
Honestly? While I don't, and will never, condone that sort of behavior, you provoked it in the same way that going up to a tribal people and trying to force them to change tends to provoke violence. You came to a place where it's known that some people hate trip and namefags more than Hitler hated the Jews, and still decided to do it anyway. I honestly don't know what you were expecting to happen differently.

>>51332848
I'm getting it out of my system and then he's getting filtered. Sorry to shit up the thread.

>>51332891
Shut up faggot

nothing will change because YOU never change. Tripfags aren't hated by merit of their name alone, but by the tendency to be self-righteous pricks that do piss-all to better their skills or take criticism from people nicely offering it.

I dunno if you're into the /40kg/, but there's plenty of anons there who- without names- make a reputation for themselves. I mean for Christ's sake, you at least have to hand it to raptorsanon that he's trying something new, and actually discusses with people how to do that. Knightanon here is the same deal. imo it's an ugly as scheme, and his painting skills aren't fantastic, but the man will politely discuss and take advice from others- put simply, they discuss with a level of civility, and earn civil discussion in turn.

In the anonymous """culture""", those who have names are inherently the outsider, but that's not the last word on the matter. The reason you get so much hate is because EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. you post here and get any sort of feedback, you immaediately resort to shitposting.

So I propose to you with total sincerity, to drop the name and chill the fuck out. If you take a picture of your shitty yiffs or whatever the fuck you play, and someone says something, than respond nicely and inquisitively in kind. Don't reply to shitposters, either. For the first while, you may get some hate. But in the end, if you act just as nicely as so ,any other anons do, and at least appear to make effort in bettering your stuff (fuck even saying "I like that idea" or "I'll take it into consideration" is a good start) then you'll be well regarded in time. And hell, maybe people will remember AWG not as a tripfag ruining thread after thread, but eventually as just another chill anon, as it should be.

Hello, Thunderwarrior FAGGING IT UP WITH MY
BLACKSHIELD
CHYMERAIE, OPTION 1!!!

FOOT SLOGGING FOR DAYS

2659pts

HQ [ 2 ]
Blackshield Reaver Lord (172pt.)
-Cataphracti-Terminator Armour, Power Axe, Volkite Charger

Centurion Librarian Consul ( 157 pt.)
-Cataphracti-Terminator Armour, Power Axe, Volkite Charger
-Mastery level 2

Elites [ 2 ]
Legion Rapier Weapons Battery ( 195 pt .)
3x Laser Rapier Destroyers

Apothercarion Detachment ( 150 pt. )
3x Augury Scanner

Troops [ 3 ]
20x Blackshield Marauders ( 325 pt.)
-20 Astartes Shotguns

20x Blackshield Marauders ( 325 pt.)
-20 Astartes Shotguns

10x Legion Tactical Supports ( 175 pt. )
-10 Volkite Chargers

Fast Attack [ 1 ]
10x Seekers ( 255 pt.)
-10 Pariah Bolters

Heavy Support [ 2 ]

2x Leviathan Siege Dreadnaughts ( 620 pt. )
-1 Storm Cannon
-1 Cylconic Melta Lance
-2 Twin Linked Volkite Caliver
-2 Armoured Ceramite

10x Legion Heavy Supports ( 285 pt. )
-10 Missile Launchers

>>51332971
The trouble with that is that his best so far is bad, and that the damage has been done.
>the guy who wants names to be used to establish post history and personality is upset his post history and personality inspires people to be irate with him

pottery

>>51333053

This thread was never good to begin with.

While Inferno won't cure anything, it will give us something to actually talk about and discuss. The fact that we have nothing has meant that the namefag/tripfag issue goes from being on the periphery to front and centre, because there's nothing to distract from it.

>>51332971
Thanks, my problem has always been I respond to bait.

>you are so far off base you've been declared AWOL.
I like that, I will use it.

>>51333070
I have been taking advice like that.
And I will try it.
I also do not actively shitpost, my first step is to always reply kindly to kind replies.

>>51333083
I'm not upset, because I think it is a misunderstanding of what and how I am posting, mixed with an irrational hatred of trips that causes this.

>>51332891
Like, nigga, just take off your name. No one cares about your retarded crap, you know that namefagging isn't accepted, and you got what you deserved.

I'm gonna filter you now.

>>51331683
Truth.

>>51333072
On a side note Anons, I'm not entirely sure how I want to convert up a Librarian in Cataphracti Armour.

>>51332891
But your posts are usually shit. Shit posting tied to a name tied to an attitude about it = people doing what they do, some going too far. What do you expect if you've been here 7 years man?

Stop whining and blaming everyone else.

There's like a half dozen people right now replying to you with various iterations of 'stop being a pillock' and you're not taking it on board.
It's gotta be them, right? Not you.

>>51333155

Use the BaC Termie praetor. Replace the Chainfist with a Force Weapon, and change the gun for whatever.

>>51333072
>Leviathans
Rule of cool is so pleased with you taking two, but I recommend you run them both with storm cannons. Melta is crap for good reason, and the cannon can actually fuck up a Tac Squad or other such MEQs day.

>footsloggers
To each his own, I guess. But 20 shotgun runners are sure gonna feel stupid when your opponent whips out a Vindicator.

>2,659 pts
What did he mean by this?

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>>51333072
>2659pts
I am sure you can add in the other 91 points somewhere

>>51333155
Standard Caraphractii armor, force staff, GS cloak and the force fingers hand

>>51333170

>>51333189

>leviathan melta is crap

It's Str 9 AP1 with 3 shots,it's pretty okay even against most armored ceramite as long as it's not on the front. A leviathan hitting back armor of a fellblade will fuck it up pretty badly.

>>51333179
Has to have a helmet. I purchase a forgelord for my Cataphracti HQ thinking it would be oh so cool to have renegade Iron Hands in my blackshields force, boy was I ignorant of the head being attached to the model. Fucked me up.

>>51333189
I'll be running a full talon at higher points values with pods eventually. But fuck buying transports that cost tons of monies.

The blackshields are T5 with Apothecaries, I WILL ALWAYS HAVE FNP. Shotguns are the most cost effective weapon option the blackshields have at the base level, I could have gone with bolters, but I didn't see much of a point when its a whole two points more a model.

>>51333210
I wasn't really going for any particular points value. Those where the things I had to have in my army. Any suggestions though?

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>>51329969
I, too, have doubts about the local GW store playing 30k games. But you can make a legion army sorta fit the 40k space marines codex by replacing a few tactical squad guys with heavy or special weapon dudes. I don't recommend actually playing 40k unless the next edition simplifies and balances it.

Of your favorites, I think you'll like Death Guard the most. IF really are difficult to paint, and IW tend to be a little too static. DG are good for going Terminator-heavy and their special units look sweet. I like Grave Wardens in a Stormlord. The only good looking IW unique unit has crappy rules.

The Reaping rite of war basically makes heavy support squads scoring, but I wouldn't footslog them. Oddly enough, the rad grenades you get in this RoW make assault marines useful. The biggest problem is no Deep Strike, and certain dreadnought builds just don't work without a drop pod (I wouldn't take a non-podded Leviathan).

Because of their good special Termies, Pride of the Legion is a good fit too. It just limits how many transports/tanks/dreads you can take relative to infantry squads.


>>51332668
My heart is shattered.

>>51333240
It's not bad per se, but the points could be better spent elsewhere. I prefer the storm cannon because it's served me better, the drill is my go-to for killing vehicles.

And hey, AWG, what's the deal with keeping the name? I get "muh community" and that's nice and all, but if everyone else says it's stupid than maybe the community doesn't want it? I dunno, I just don't see why dropping the name would hurt you

>>51326087
you can if you play a 2v2 and both of you are alpharius.:3

>>51333072
Blackshield Leviathans need Kharybdyses

>>51326206
i usually ally in some ordo reductor when we play larger games (in my context large game means 2000+, since i play mostly against my friends IG)

>>51333278

I have plans to convert one of my BaC Praetors, how hard is it to remove and change the head?

>>51333311
We just had an hour of that shit, can you not

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>>51333329
Yeah I know, I don't want to put money into transports before I have all the boots on the ground models I want.

>>51333333
Idk man. It looks pretty hard to me.

>>51333333
The digits you got dictate I give advice, and I've got sorta-bad news- it's not too great. You get no other suitable head replacements, so he's stuck looking off to the side, but not a problem if you model guns sideways. The arms are separate from the leather strap-thingies, so nice enough you can cut those how you want.

It's not the easiest conversion, but it'll look at lest tabletop quality of you put in some time

>>51333333
It's incredibly easy to remove, the head has a nice little indent where it meets the rest of the body that's very easy to cut along.

Finding and fitting a replacement is a little trickier and may require cutting down the gorget of the armor though

>>51333278
I would drop the Volkite from the Librarian, and add in a bare bones Legion Outrider squadron with Melta bombs.
Gives you a little something to rush forward and harass the enemy while everything else comes up behind it.

>>51333333
It is do-able, but be careful and be prepared it will take a lot of GS for any serious changes

>>51333333
A mark IV helmet works with a bit of trmming

>>51333311
see>>51333210 reply to >>51333170

Pic related.

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Would a MKII helm look tacky on my Forge Father?

I want the MKII World Eaters helm with the crest preferably.

>>51333530

Regular wouldn't but the WE ones are really wonky.

>>51330386

Khan would want to be at the bottom of the poll. That's literally how it was in the fluff.

Has anyone had any success with a Forgelord head swap?

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Well day 1 of atrapos painting went well. I think I've got the color of ivory I want down, now just to clean it up some more.

I'm debating what I should do with the trim, black or burnished gold?

Okay, so I'm building into my fluffy IF list, any advice on what I should add next? It's for a 3,000 points total, by the way. Right now I've got;

Imperial Strongpoint (300)
>Imperial Bastion- Ammo Store
>3 Aegis Defense Lines- 3 Ammo Dumps

Heavy Support (640)
>Devestator Squad- 5 dudes, Plasma Cannons
>Devestator Squad- 5 dudes, Plasma Cannons
>Deredeo Dreadnought- Plasma Cannonade

Troops (450)
Tactical Squad- 20 dudes
Tactical Squad- 20 dudes

I figure some Contemptor-Mortis dreads would be good for sheering away AV and the like, but what else? Terminators definitely should be in here somewhere, but I'm not too sure how to run them. A master of signal also sounds fun

>>51334286
Considering your heavy support squad get tank hunters, why take plasma cannons?

Termies depend if you want to teleport or punch things.

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>>51334286
Looks like as much fun as a punch in the face to play against. How do you plan to play against any mission that requires capturing objectives, getting into the opponents deployment zone etc, etc, etc. Any opponent who has actually played games before will just nuke your two tac squads and then laugh as you are now hamstrung and cant claim shit or secure anything?

>>51334389
I'm honestly debating the devs, maybe a better idea would be to give them missile launchers or lascannons, and leave the AP2 heavy lifting to a support Squad? Either way, I want some guys in cover pumping out Plasma shots, rule of cool commands it.

Hell, maybe I should get Vindicators instead for real punishment

I don't know about the terminators, I think putting them in boxes would be fun, maybe give them all Chainfists and hop around in a custom-rigged vehicle murder machine?

Anyone ever disappointed that chainsword is the default CC weapon no better or different than a fucking knife?

You would think that 40k's most distinct weapon would have some love

>>51334431
Missiles are very cost effective option, but las can be great for those tough AV with your rerolls. Plasma sorry squads or teleporting combi plas termies would be better than cannons

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>Be me
>riding the iron fire against my BAngel friend
>stupid assault squad rolls up on my quad mortar rapiers
>7" charge
>assault marines shoot their bolt pistols
>about to roll for saves
>FAQ says if you have multiple saves you can choose to take the one you *think* is the best
>go to ground
>now have 6+ cover save
>choose to take my 6+
>lose a quad gun
>9" charge now
>BAngel fails on an 8

How WAAC am I?

>>51334568
Well, it kinda makes sense anyways. How can you get locked in with a quad gun on its own?

Also, do guns get a g2g save?

>>51334442
It's probably less efficient than a knife against almost everything.

>>51334568
Can Artillery actually go to ground?

Anyone have the greentext with the IW that blew up his deployment zone?

>>51334568
considering artillery doesnt benefit from going to ground, on the WAAC score I'd say:

you cheated/10

Never play again.

Now if the arty did get a 6+ I'd say:

blatantly going against common sense RAI/10

Never play again.

Bonus -20 for cheating with Ironfire. How the assault squad got close enough I can't even fathom.

That's a decimation.

Basic bitch, slightly WAAC list
1750 list


>praetor-180
>terminator armor, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo
>armored spearhead

>Command Squad-175
>1 extra chosen, tartaros terminator Armour, 3x power fists, 1x chainfist
>dedicated Transport-LR Phobos-225


>2x tactical squads-340
>10 marines, vexilla, ccws, pw/MB/AA sarge
>2x dedicated LR-Phobos- 450

>Contemptor Cortus Talon
>2x Dreads, dual Kheres, Havoc launchers

>>51334923
Whats WAAC about that?
I would replace your Phoboses with Proteusesses for the Tacticools to save some points.

Also what legion is it?

>>51334923
Let me count the ways this isnt WAAC

>27 Models at 1750
>LR Phobos and Shooty CORTUS dreads only ranged AT
>Shooty Cortus Dreads
>Cortus Dreads with two gun arms each
>Cortus Dreads without I5 Chainfists

Is land raider spam supposed to make it WAAC? People are prepared for spartans, what do you think is going to happen when LR Phobos shows up?

>>51334964
None yet, waiting on Inferno

>>51334971
Yes, land raider spam is supposed to make is slightly powerful.
It's a 1750 game, three LR's is a lot at that level for most metas.
And the cortus dreads are there for AA

>>51333678
Too true. But in real life it's the cost, and the fact that they've only had rules for a year and no established fanbase like the BA and DA. Great rules, though.

>>51334008
Bronze or copper.

You have a lot of stuff that's not moving... the other half of your army needs to be in transports.

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Inferno confirmed for July 2018

>>51335045
FW employee here, can confirm.

Is there Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father audiobook link?

>>51335015
>And the cortus dreads are there for AA
What makes a Cortus dread good is that you can give it rage or I5 with chainfists. It also has no skyfire. So youre fishing for 6s, at S6, within 24". One Mortis dread with the targeting array and autocannons is both better and cheaper than two kheres cortus. Flyers are just going to snipe your stuff at range beyond 24".

Dont even get me started on phobos. They are both overcosted and under performing. Them being AV14 is the only thing keeping them out of garbage tier. Go with a Proteus for the troops.

>>51334923
No one thinks Armored Spearhead is WAAC.

That said... it might start working now that we're seeing more and more tanks on the field. You get transport and anti-tank at the same time, and most armies are prepared to destroy them (because you always prepare for a single Spartan) but not multiple in a turn.

>>51335095
Thanks, I will go with the auto cannons, I don't know why but I didn't see them on the stat list.
>Proteus
So would you mind if I used regular LR's from the GW line as counts as Proteus land raiders?

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Rate my list (my first HH army(

Fist of Fulgrim
Emperors Children 2000pts
RoW: Armoured Breaktrough

Hq:
Predator, pintle Heavy Bolter

Consul, siege breaker, thunderhammer, meltabombs, AA, 5++, 2x phosphex bombs

Troops

Pred, HB sponsons

Pred, HB sponsons

Heavy

LR Squad
1 phobos w/ ceramite
1 proteus with ceramite, dozer, hull las.

Lr squad
1 phobos with ceramite
1 achiles with phosphex

Lr squad
1 phobos with ceramite
1 achilles with phosphex

Pls no bully