MTG Modern General

>>51322705
Op is shit. Kys

>warping wail

>isn't that the entire point of game 3?

Is Knightfall a meme deck?

>>51322956
Define "meme deck"

>>51322956
It's not very good if that's what you're asking

As Affinity-
>What's your favorite sideboard card?
Blood Moon. Usually slows everyone else down more than me, and nothing is sweeter than the rare game where I drop it on the play turn 1.
>Do you ever side cards in/out to counter what you assume your opponent is bringing in?
I always bring Thoughtseize in to snipe Artifact hate or Stony Silence. Saved my ass quite a few times.

I am addicted to combo decks. Any advice?
inb4 kys

>>51323165
Play legacy

>>51323165

What this anon said >>51323178

i play stax and need more free wins. Plz play manaless dredge

>>51322705
>>What's your favorite sideboard card?
Pithing Needle

>>Do you ever side cards in/out to counter what you assume your opponent is bringing in?

I try to but I find that I rarely have answers which is a problem, i.e they bring in Stony Silence when I'm on Affinity and there's no way I can deal with it

>>51323211
>stax
I remember getting into legacy in like 2011 when MUD Stax was still a legit contender and Dredge was the most busted thing in the format

>>51323211
>>51323178
Whats the best combo deck in legacy?

>>51323368
I'd say ANT

>>51323368
Right now? Sneak and Show

>>51323368
I'd say regular dredge. But that is the 3rd answer in as many posts, so it that really shows the diversity of the format and how much personal taste comes into play untapped

>>51322956
>some fag in the group dumps the leftovers from his paycheck into buying Knightfall
>gets smashed by the eternal elf player of the group

I put it in the same category as Soul Sisters. The concept mostly works, but it just is no good in Modern.

>>51322705
Dead thread dead format.

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Give me one good reason to not build Lantern

>>51324172
You could build Affinity instead.

>>51324172
loses to scapeshift

>>51324051
More like it's a weekend.

>>51324172
Lantern is for scumbag faggots and it only wins if people are dumb enough to concede. Hope you like going 0-0-3 at FNM

>>51324287
Which one would you rather play against? 8 rack, turns or Lantern?

who here is STILL rocking infect?

>>51324329
Lantern

t. Tron player

>>51324287
>dumb enough to concede
You're not drawing anything relevant once the lock is in, and I have discard to fuck your gameplan up t1/t2. It's not a concede deck retard

You're obviously salty though, so stay mad timmy sorry you couldn't turn your creaturess sideways.

How did everyone do at fnm last night? I managed 3-0-1 on infect after splitting in the fourth round.

>>51323368
Elves, Sneak and Show, Storm. or ANT .

>>51324378
If you want to play a deck that forces rounds to time every match then you shouldn't complain when people don't want to concede. This is what you signed up for and you have only yourself to blame

>>51324568
The deck doesn't go to time because it both loses and wins fairly fast. Don't get the lock in place early enough? you lose. Get the lock in place? turns boil down to mill your top card/cards go, with some shuffle effects thrown in occasionally.

If lantern goes to time the pilot is either a tard or the other person is dragging the game out and blaming it on the lantern pilot, which is scummier than playing lantern.

>>51323368
Reanimator has seen a recent revival and comes in two flavors.

Reminder that Vortex Loam is the control deck that will save Modern.

>>51324639
Yeah, 2 exciting flavors of "I will never resolve reanimate" or "I will never manage to find reanimate", being RB and UB respectively

>>51324702
It's shit. Trust me.

>it's ANOTHER turn 2 emrakul off Kari Zev's combo
Through the breach aint shit folks

>>51325527
Make sure to pick up your Forbidden Orchards for turn 2s off Simian vs creatureless decks.

>>51325527
>>51325746
Why can design a set without breaking modern? This is so fucking annoying

>>51325746
Shit i didn't even think about that

>>51325527
>Kari Zev combo

Is it just Kari Zev's expertise and Breaking//Entering?

>>51324333
I'm playing a poor man's UG version with only 2 inkmoth no fetch or shock lands. Only yavimaya, brass, and confluence.
No noble either. Still fun though, I play myrs.

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What's everyone piloting this week for Modern

I decided to throw 4 Color Gifts back together
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/garbage-gifts-a-four-color-junk/

>>51325950
Plus srams expertise and beck/call

>>51325950
Yeah, I've been running it in Grixis Goryo's, >>51326018 <- this combo is whack tho

>>51326018
You only draw 4 cards from that correct?

Serum visions to guarantee and Emrakul off Breaking//Entering is so fucking sweet

>>51326120
So which vendor are you working for to shill this tier 17 meme deck so hard?

>>51322705

>What's your favorite sideboard card?

Ashnod's coupon.

>>51326158
Starcityfireballplayer EU

>>51326158
Funny. People said the same about eldrazi. Stay bad

>>51325959
Is that a photograph of a fucking decorative blanket?

I'm having a blast watch this kid try to figure out how to play Amulet on his own.
Fucking poland lol

ScepterControl.dec

Suck it.

>>51325959
How is this deck? I have most of the cards and love a reanimator package. Good and bad match ups?

>>51326874
Suck what? The deck is trash

>lose because of f6 yet again
hooray

>>51324734
git gud

>>51324734
Why not just go grixis then

>>51324734
>two decks which have been putting up consistent results in the legacy metagame are bad
Lol cry more fgt

>>51327077
Jund/Junk, most control decks, Burn and Infect tend to be very favorable
Combo, Tron and Bant Eldrazi are the very rough matchups

I really love the deck in the fact that it's really tuneable to every meta and you have an array of toolbox cards at your disposal, every matchup feels winnable

>>51327934
I find it hilarious that gifts decks lose to leyline of sanctity

I want to make a good modern deck but they all look so boring compared to Legacy decks.

>>51324195
Lol what? You mill 5-10 mountains and the game's over, maindeck Surgical Extractions+Ghost Quarter, sideboard Witchbane Orb.

>>51326419
Eldrazi WAS bad before OGW, no one thought t1 Chalice t2 TKS t3 kill you and 100% day2 conversion rate at the Pro Tour was bad/a stroke of luck.

>>51328140
>witchbane orb
Why shouldn't I just run leyline instead?

>>51328031
How do you figure that?

>>51328189
Because Leyline puts 2-3 skip your draw steps in your deck, takes more sideboard space, forces aggressive mulligans to otherwise keepable hands, most of the time can't be hardcast, can't be found with Stirrings nor recurred with Academy Ruins.

>>51328211
Read Gifts Ungiven again

>>51327077

it's just junk with blue for a gifts reanimator

Think junk matchups and go from there

How good is Bloomless Titan?
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14492&d=286863&f=MO

>>51327934
I love a deck that can toolbox. I was a pod player and that was my favorite part of the deck. It's a shame it has a bad match up against Tron. I just hate that deck.

>>51328502
Pretty bad.

Is there ANY way except for maybe Vampire Nighthawk for mono black deck to regain health in modern that's not absurdly costly like Corrupt?

>>51328502
flat out loses if it can't find amulet but can do fine if it has it
probably alright i guess, no ways to interact though and can just lose to a turn 1 inquisition

>>51328798

collective brutality gives you 2

>>51328798
Siphon life

>>51328798
For what? 8-rack?

>>51328798
Tendrils of Corruption.

>>51329201
Yes, was thinking of going with Geralf's Messengers too.

>>51329411
Geralf's Messenger doesn't gain you life

>>51329450
Oh fuck, I'm retarded.

Disregard then.

>>51329411
Weird option, but maybe Battle on the Bridge. You can tap your ensnaring bridges and racks for value, and I often found with that deck that I'm floating extra mana often anyways so it can be a solid +5 life and take out one of their guys
not saying it's THE answer but it might be worth consideration

>Kari Zev combo can't be disrupted by Surgical, Relic, Tormods, Scooze
>can set if you find a target of visions, and you can discard big guys to get a reshuffle into your deck so you can hit more often
>plebs still think it's bad
top FUCKING kek

>>51329668
Give it up, your meme deck is nevergoing to take off

>>51329712
It's going to top 64 at vancouver at least, calling it now

>>51329712
Fuck off dude. Everyone is giving reasons why it's good and you're just sitting here like a retard saying lol bad

>>51329668
Im not even going to doubt the deck I just really hope it doesnt become a thing. Im so tired of Modern being ruined by bullshit decks like this, Eldrazi, and Dredge
>inb4 git gud
Im fine with powerful decks in Legacy where you have numerous ways to fight them in almost every deck, I am not fine with turn 2 beck//call or turn 3 Emrakul in a format that has no way to stop or compete with it

>>51329786
This exactly. Just give us force of will or something if you're gonna print shit like this every sey

>>51329786
That's fair, I can't tell you how many salty concedes I've gotten off a turn 1-2 emrakul
It's pretty fucking consistent as a deck since you have 8 ways to discard and 4 to stack your deck. I think I've busted once in the 20+ matches I've played with it.

>>51329800
Its just god damn annoying because now we'll have to wait and see if it becomes a thing, then see its metagame share skyrocket if it is, then wait till next set for Wizards to ban all expertise cards in Modern.
>>51329816
Im not looking forward to this, thankfully I have a Legacy deck too. Also playing in paper is nice since most people cant go drop $500 on a brand new deck its unlikely ill see it at the LGS's around here but still its awful.

Merfolk got fucked over by Fatal Push. What should I splash in as a countermeasure, assuming Fatal Push isn't banned in the next month?

>>51329968
Dispel.

>>51329968
Dispels, monastery siege, Kira, git gud

If I get turn 1 IoK or Thoughseized again I swear to fucking god I'm going to blow my fucking brains out

>>51330058
Yea you cried last thread too. Just end it

>>51330087
It'd be fine if it wasn't literally every fucking game that I played, and the cunt didn't spend 2 minutes deciding which card to take like it even fucking mattered

>>51330104
Grow up kid

>>51330190
Fuck off cunt

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>>51325527
idk man looks like it still costs 5 to me

>>51330255
Looks like you're retarded then

>>51330058
>WAHHHHHHHH HE PLAYED A DISCARD SPELL
What's next some Timmy faggot crying about how someone bolted/pte'd his creature?

>>51329968
splash black and play fatal push senpai

>>51330255
>thrusting up rapier
>holding katana sheath in offhand
>pure

kys yourself

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>>51330261
kz expertise 3+1
free spell 0+1

3+1+1=5

How does the kari zev combo work

>>51330561
Expertise lets you cast a card with CMC X or less, Fuse cards let you cast both sides for free

>>51330569
>kari zev combo

Doesn't brain in the jar let you do the same like with Beck/Call?

>>51330665
Yeah, just requires setup

>>51330665
It's like having 12 Brain in the Jars & 8 of them require 0 setup plus have secondary effects

>>51330665
Yea but brain in the jar is an artifact and can't win you the game on turn 2

>>51324351

Nah nigga.

Mono-U Tron reporting in.

>>51328045
What Legacy deck looks fun?

Let's get a print of Shardless & Strix for MM17 so I can play BUG

>>51331284
That's not how MM works, anon, cards have to be legal before they get printed in MM :^)

>>51331217
Lands

>>51328798
come on man. two came out in like the last year
kalitas, traitor of ghet
collective brutality

>>51322705
as a UW Tron player definitely Jester's Cap

the face a combo fuckboi makes when you play it and take away all there wincons from the deck is far too satisfying

>play t1 thoughtseize/IoK
>instant scoop
Is there a better indication of a shitter than this?

>>51332841
Turn 1 urza land
Scoop

>>51332841
Scooping on a turn 0 Leyline

>>51332841
Scooping when you see your opponent

I know this deck is bad, but am I missing anything obvious? Should the Relentless just be Decays in the main?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gb-cloudstoneleap/

Reminder that you can Beck//Call off an Expertise.

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Beck/Call
:thinking:

>>51334779
3 whole dollars! It's pretty much as expensive as goyf now

Why is there a samefag spamming about his Polymorph deck?

>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

>Ctrl-F: Infect

top kek.

>>51335452
Right behind mill where it belongs.

>>51329968
Most people are severely overestimating the amount of fatal push that will be seen in recent time. Most of the current decks that run it are already full to the fucking brim with removal so it will probably be seen as a 2 of in those. Merfolk already had to play against point removal before, vapor snag and Kira is what you guys did before and its what you'll do now. Path to exile also kills merfolk lords, fatal push wont change the fact that merfolk does what it does fairly well and still rapes Bant eldrazi and other decks.

When fatal push enables new decks to become powerful is when you should worry, but thats a bridge you should cross when you get there.

>>51335441
I don't get why anyone would play Polymorph when Madcap Experiment exists. It's almost strictly better.

Spoiler alert Fatal Push isn't that good.

>>51330058

>not playing GW hatebears with a hand full of Loxodon Smiters and Wilt Leaf Lieges to make your opponent activate their trap card.

Git gud

>>51329712
Bloom was a meme deck until people realised it was the best deck in the format.

I traded OG PC Damnation for 3 fetches
did I did good?

>>51337538
Tarn != Heath

>>51337478
Only if you palm your opening 7

So, did anyone test BW? Between Sram's expertise, Hidden Stockpile and Bitterblossom and whatnot, I imagine the list should be pretty high in value now.

>>51337921
BW tokens*

>>51337538

You traded 1 card for 3 cards. We call that Card Advantage.

>>51337921

I've tested around with a few things. Honestly at cmc 4 i'd more likely be wanting to cast a Gideon than a Sram's Expertise in BW tokens. It's not bad and given that the tokens are artifacts and do not have a colour associated with them you can block Etched Champions. Hidden Stockpile is one I should consider because the deck does get into topdeck mode quite frequently.

Best card though right now in tokens is Smug Copter. It's the card filtering you always wanted since once you hit 4-5 lands you don't really care about any others in the deck.

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>>51338065
If you run stockpile you need to run this as well. The synergy is unreal.

>>51338107
Friend of mine plays abzan sack brew with these dudes.

I fucking hate them

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-01-17-iYj-jeskai-copycat/

>>51323368
It's Reanimator by far right now and anyone who says otherwise is a tard

>>51325527
The deck is shit, stop acting like it's good
>miss emrakul in the 7 cards
>lose
Ebin

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>WoTC reprints Swords to Plowshares every year in some product or another
>Path to Exile hasn't gotten a reprint in 4 years

>More people play Modern than Legacy and so the demand for reprinting PtE would be greater than StP

Why is Wizard's doing this?

>>51325959
That's not 4 color gifts, it's just abzan gift you tard

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>>51340450
Because they're retarded.

And even if they reprint it, they'll make it a rare just to fuck with us further.

>we will never get a set like first Modern Masters
>ever

>>51340441
You're actually retarded. Stop posting now

Any scapeshift players here? I wanna know how different versions of scapeshift are right now, I wanna buy the deck. I like the blue version. Is it any good? Anything from the new sets that are good in any variant?

>>51340707
Dude your meme deck is shit, get over it. If it ever top 8s anything you can run it in my face all day, but I've played against it and it's a fucking joke. It's pretty much hulk footsteps tier, and exclusively for edgy retards like yourself.
>getting that defensive over your shitty meme deck
Sad!

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So ive been working on this deck for a bit and I'd appreciate and improvement ideas and help I can get.

Creatures:
Plague Stinger x2
Blighted agent x4
Phyrexian crusader x4

Spells:
Mutagenic growth x4
Negate x2
Serum visions x4
Wrench mind x4
Cryptic command x2
Mana leak x4
Remand x4
Runechanters pike x4
Thoughtseize x4

Mana base:
Polluted delta x4
Watery grave x4
Drowned catacomb x2
Island x3
Swamp x2
Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth x1
Ghost quarter x1
Inkmoth nexus x3

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>>51340886
>anything but ug

>>51340780
It's multiple people, for one.
I don't play it, for two.
It's better than Grishoalbrand by quite a bit and that sees play

>>51340886
I think id drop the negates for a couple spell pierce

>>51340886
So what you're saying is that they need to only resolve 1 removal and you just flop?

There's a reason why the pump route is way better: the longer you give your opponent time to find something to deal with your creature, the less of a chance you have to win as infect

There's not even removal on your end to counteract the amount of nothing you'll be doing

>>51341945
So would you suggest more creatures and removal on my end? I was thinking fatal push as a 4 of but im at a loss for efficient creatures

>>51342082
Going runechanter's pike in general isn't a very good idea because it's too slow. You need 4 mana to give your creature +4 on a decent game.

Infect is already very fleshed out at this point and I would suggest sticking to a more meta shell

>>51340441
That can be said for literally any combo deck
>whiff your combo
>lose
Simply Ebin. Its just another combo deck that hasn't had the time to be worked to maximum efficiency. If it turns out it sucks, oh well. If it doesn't then cool, we actually have another deck to play besides Affinity, Jund, Tron and Burn

>play twin
>gets banned
>play infect and dredge
>both get fucking neutered

LET ME PLAY CARDS, YOU FUCK. I HATE YOU SO MUCH.

I would just play legacy at this point, but FoW is actually cancer.

>>51342301
>fow is cancer
>literally the only card keeping decks honest is cancer
Ebin, sure would love to lose to char Belcher every single game

>>51324172
friends

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>>51340886
Vampires bite might be worth looking into

>>51341454
It's not better than grishoalbrand at all and you're an autistic cuck, I play at scg and the likes trying to make money have told me it's bad.
>still a dollar everywhere
If it was actually viable, breaking and entering would see a spike but everyone knows it's not so it doesn't. You're pretty much on par with the "muh thopter sword!!!!!!" Autists, and you need to stop.

>>51342207
>2 card combo, that requires you to hit on 8 cards, and for them to have a creature
>b-b-but it's consistent

>>51342550
Still waiting for reasons. All I hear is screeching and baseless remarks

>>51342596
When you have a 75% chance to hit the first time increasing every time you 'go for the combo', yeah, that's pretty consistent.

If all else fails, drop a beck//call and have 4 1/1's to stall out and draw 4.

>>51342596
>>51342836
On top of that, if you happen to miss on turn 2, you have turn 3 to do the same again. If you whiff on both a 75% chance and ~88% chance, you just lose. Like every combo deck.

>>51340504
but anon you wouldn't want to hurt the poor investors who spent their hard earned shekels would you?

>>51342972
>bought 4 paths about 2 years ago
>have made almost $50 on cardboard just sitting there because I have no decks to play it in
Call me an 'investor,' bb

>>51342865
Literally what the fuck are you on about? You're saying your opening hand consists of nothing but fast mana and multiples of your two card combo?

>>51343405
Maybe you should actually check out the deck before you make an even bigger fool of yourself

>>51343405
The same can be said for reanimator and it puts up numbers. Which is why mulliganing is a thing.

You think infect keeps its hand of no infect creatures or pumps? You're acting like people are directly shitting in your cheerios for trying to get a new deck rolling, holy shit dude.

>>51343625
kys

>>51343689
No kys. Format diversity is important. I play tron and even i know this

>>51343405
Bro srsly why do you care so much? Either the deck is good and you'll have to learn to deal, or its a bad meme and you'll never really see it

The meme deck looks funny & probably more consistent than Grishoalbrand

>>51344146
I think it looks super lame. Cast expertise, win. Not much of a combo

>>51324702
Can you post a decklist? It looks like I have most of the cards from owning dredge.

>>51344271
>Cast shapeshift
>win

There's probably a couple other examples.

>>51344713
Not really. You need setup with lands over several turns. Not just simian into win

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So, Aether Revolt introduced a bunch of 1-mana "eggs" that draw you a card when they go to the graveyard, like Chromatic Star, and Krark-Clan Ironworks is still a thing in Modern. Second Sunrise is still banned, but couldn't Pia's Revolution give Eggs a new way to win (i.e. keep cracking and playing the same eggs to draw their entire deck, or opponent has to eat 3 damage each time, then finish off with a Grapeshot).

>>51347062
I'm gonna test it as a 1-of in affinity

>>51347062
So your idea, is to basically drop the replacement for sunrise, for Pia's Revolution, then sac your stuff, and either win by natural recursion or 3 damage?

So I guess that the old plan of Spellbomb will not work, as the guy will always take 3 to kill it. So, all in for grapeshot, I guess?

I'm sure there's another wincon that can be used and is more ... practical than just grapeshotting.

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>>51347062
Hm ...

>>51347062
Auriok Salvagers, Krark-Clan Ironworks, Paradox Engine

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Does it still count as a sideboard card if it's in my maindeck now?

I've been on Bant Eldrazi for months and after several weeks of bringing in Blessed Alliance literally every game I just decided to put 3 of them in my maindeck.

Is mill any good?

>>51347656
It's such a brutal card

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>>51347367

Well... each Egg is 1 mana, and you get 2 mana and one card each time you "crack" one with Ironworks. So if they aren't taking the 3 damage, and you're just popping the same egg from your hand to the board and back to your hand, generating a ton of colorless mana, and once you hit over 5 you can Banefire and it can't be countered. That's a bit of an alternative to Grapeshot.

>>51347711
Mill is fnm tier in pretty much every iteration I think.
There was a flavor-of-the-month mtgo list but imo it didn't seem very focused (had some whack choices like jace's phatasm + bridge + vision of beyond)

>>51347994
Damn, mill is my favourite archetype by far.

>>51347944
What if they're taking the damage, though? I mean, I think that increases the setup to make sure you win.

>>51348093

Think of it this way: Mill is like Burn, only it can't interact with creatures in a pinch, and you've set the life total to be 53.

>>51347994
I think those choices are partly because mill doesn't have much support as an archetype. Visions of beyond could be very good though. Fuck your opponent out of some cards, with cheap mill, then refill your hand with ancestral vision.

Maybe with good amounts of removal and hand control a good mill list could be put together.

>>51348158
There aren't any 2 cmc cards that deal 10 damage though.

Even at mcm Fatal push is at 3 bucks a pop.

Is this just speculation since aether revolt is still young? Can we expect the prices to go down? For an uncommon right after release this seems retarded.

>>51348164
That's the problem. If you try to play it control style, your mill cards don't do anything outside of ... milling. And that's bad in the fact that control is all about controlling, disrupting and counterspelling, and slamming ONE card that will destroy your opponent.

If you try to play it combo style, then don't bother and play burn, or infect

>>51348147

Hm, well if they're taking the damage, you're still drawing a card off the egg as it goes to the graveyard, there's a chance you'd draw into another egg. Also, Open the Vaults which is played in the deck could reset your board, as it would grab your Ironworks, Revolution, and eggs out of the graveyard, and you could go back to popping eggs, drawing cards, and generating mana, and either dealing damage or refilling your hand with the eggs.

>>51348197
You mean there isn't any 2cmc card that deals 4 damage, because you have to convert mill to life.

And yes there is: boros charm

>>51348270
I think Open The Vaults is too ambitious. We may have a lot of colorless mana, but getting WW is a bit harder.

We need something simpler. Something that ALWAYS ensures we win when we go off, regardless of what the player chooses.

>>51348270
Faith's reward?

>Jund or Junk:

Which utilizes Push better?

Which is stronger vs Push?

Which is better positioned in the meta?

Tasigur?

>>51348305
Actually ... Walking Ballista! That's it, we solved the puzzle!

If I do a quick math here: if the player chooses to let us take our eggs back in hand, then of course we gain an absurd amount of colorless mana, which will cause the ballista to win the game on its own. Also to note that this wincon is invulnerable to removal besides Krosan Grip, making the regular counterspells still the way to make us cry.

If the opponent chooses to let those eggs go to the graveyard, then we have to get 5 artifacts deal 15 damage (excluding Ironworks in this calculation because they would never take 3), and ballista does the remainder 5 because we gained 10 mana this way, making the ballista a 5/5!

Considering that our opponent will lose 3 life in average per game due to fetching, we can possibly add Ironwork's sacrifice in the calculation of total damage, making the combo more achievable!

It requires thorough testing and extensive mathematic theory, but I think that this can work the best with our deck!!

>>51348473
Junk all the way

* Doesn't have access to terminate
* Gets Lingering Souls tokens
* See above
* Won't run him, but has Path against him

>>51348554
>Walking Ballista

Damn, nice problem solving. I wouldn't have thought of Ballista.

>>51348473
Jund
>Draw Push off Bob for 1 life
>Neither
>Jund's been in a stronger spot since K Command was printed
>Tasigur is shit ever since Kalitas

>>51348305
>>51348554

Why not go with easier thing?

Lets sac those artifacts to a creature like Ravenous Intruder and simply Fling him.

>>51350525
You mean Atog?

So with the meta slowing down and midrange taking over, how long until everyone starts whining about how unfun and boring the midrange meta is?

>>51350842
About the time when combo should be stepping in to combat midrange, but won't because this is modern

>>51350921
>combo
>combating thoughtseize into inquisition into liliana the deck
>ever
Every combo deck in the format has a bad matchup against BGx midrange variants.

>>51348220
It will go down once people realize other removal is just as good.

>>51350949
But Tron does great against BGx ;^)

Tron Eldrazi vs BGx: The Format

>>51350949
They need to reprint Library of Leng in Modern. That way, if discard becomes too big of a thing, just jam 4 Libraries in your deck

The thing I see wrong with the Expertise Fuse combo deck is: what if you don't have an expertise card in your hand? How do you go about filtering your hand to get your combo pieces?

Faithless? Serum Visions?

>>51351680
To add: the deck already has issues with needing a certain amount of creatures, expertise cards and fuse cards and getting rid of some cards to make room for filtering reduces its effectiveness.

In a vacuum, the deck looks wonderful. But getting the nut draw is never taken into account when a decent meta deck is considered.

Reanimator can go off on turn 1 and win with the nut draw, but it almost never happens.

>>51350842
>>51350921
>>51350949
They'll probably realize that dredge-kun is healthier in a midrange format and unban GGT.

Because who likes losing to Karn all the time?

>>51351747
Keep in mind Beck/Call is a draw 4 and the big eldrazi reshuffle into your library.

Version I'm brewing has Night's Whisper & Faithless Looting since it doesn't actually require a creature in hand. Thinking 4-of Forbidden Orchard for a turn 1 Emmy as well.

>>51351805
There's no way the B&R team will admit to being mistaken that way

>>51351747
And that is not including playing through hand disruption, counterspells, and being put on a short clock if they don't interact with other decks.

>>51351835
See B&R announcement circa 2015.

>>51351805
I think they'll unban Splinter Twin before GGT if Tron gets too dominant

>>51351835
So dredge can get raped by tron too? Rest in Peace, Path, and Ugin hose dredge.
>>51351866
They also did that before they gave dredge 2 engine cards and a payoff card. Unbanning GGT was a test, and it failed. The deck is too consistent and degenerate for what Wizards want modern to be.
>>51351940
I'm still hoping for unban Twin and ban Exarch to test the waters.

>>51351959
Twin would still be too degenerate. The combo+control shell was too consistent. You're lucky to have Copycat.

>>51351805
then we just ban karn if it becomes problematic like dredge :^)

>>51352053
>bb...but muh planeswalkers
Wizards won't do that. Karn's gonna join the Jacetice League. They need Martian Manhunter/Cyborg.

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>yfw spirit guide, cathartic reunion, ancient stirrings and become immense ban
>yfw pre ordain, sfm, jtms and top unban

>>51352419
>ssg
>mom hugs
>stirrings
Full retard desu
>BI
Unban probe then
>those unbans
Not in this format blue cuck

>>51347656

A sideboard card is just when you want to bring in a certain card for particular matchups. If you find that you are always bringing that card in then you want that card mainboard. There was a time when playing Disenchant mainboard was a legitimate option back in the days of Necropotence.

Is blue moon a good deck?

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>>51352419
>still whining about become immense

>>51351959
As a delver player I pray every night for a twin unban

>>51352962
I've been on Jund for a long time, and I keep hoping Twin comes off the ban list.
I only got to experience that easy match up a very few times.

Which in your opinion is worse, losing because you flood like a river or losing with a reasonable draw to an overall bad deck just because his draws happened to line up perfectly versus yours?

Alright lads. Convince me to not buy snapcaster mages.

>>51354644
Flood

>>51352651
No

>>51354889
Its getting reprinted in MM3

>>51354644
gonna go with flooding
imo it's cool when a deck's game plan comes neatly together, even if it's the opponent's deck and the deck is bad

>>51350949
don't the valakut combo decks consistently dunk on midrange?

>>51352419
Become immense isn't a problem.

The problems were free spells to fuel your graveyard like Mutagenic and Probe with fetches.

>>51354644
Flood.

Nothing is as unfun as drawing 13 lands straight.

>>51356073
RG breach here. Can confirm. I love playing against jund and tron

>>51322705
I don't play modern (or tourney magic at all, really), but have always been fascinated by the concept of a transformative sideboard.
Are there any decks out there currently where such a thing is workable?
Or are the big threats such a hazard that sideboard slots to take them on are an absolute necessity, thus disallowing such a concept in modern?

>only Sol Lands in Modern are Eldrazi Temple, Shrine of the Forsaken Gods, and Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper

Wizards pls... pls reprint Temple of the False God or something so my Great Aurora deck can finally work.

You gave the fucking Eldrazi their own exclusive Sol Land, it's bullshit.

>>51355972
Any prediction on the price change in case of reprint? And which would be the best time to buy?

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>obliterator is still 30
>bitter blossom is still 25

>>51355972
If it does it might be mythic rare and the price might go up. This is the lowest it's been since it's rotation from standard.

>>51357036

There was a storm deck that ran a completely different wincon package in its sideboard (madcap emperion) because it has inevitability in enough matchups and often times people will board out their creature removal for that matchup

Wizards of the Coast changes sideboards to allow 20 cards instead of 15.

What changes? What cards do you add?

>>51322705
My favourite sideboard card is deflecting palm, because against decks that run emerakul it essentially says "target opponent eats shit."
As for preemptive sideboarding? All the time. Because im a filthy burn player. I can accurately predict what gets sided in against me ninth percent of the time.

>>51357710
What do faeries need to be competitive again?

>>51357814
Naya burn or r/w burn? Just curious

>>51357764
So far cards who were printed at normal rarity while mythic was already a thing never got bumped to mythic tho

>>51357821
For Burn and Affinity to not exist.

>>51357887
Dark confidant and goyf got bumped to mythic rare

>>51357928
Mythic rarity didnt exist in those expansions. It did in innistrad.

With Fatal Push, is there space in modern for a Bug deck, similar in spirit to Jund and Abzan? Snapcasters, Tarmogoyfs, Grim Flayers, and Dark Confidents al in one happy family?

>>51357036
RUG delver.
Against grindy decks it brings in
2 bedlam reveler
4 huntmasters
2 Engineered Explosives

>>51357998
Snap targets are kinda weak.

Dig did nothing wrong.
FREE DIG THROUGH TIME

>>51358348
Oh and 3 blood moon

>>51358483

If you want to play with Dig Through Time, I guess you'll have to play ~Frontier~

>>51358919
So I can dig for rhinos in my 4 colour deck everyone else is also playing? No thanks

>>51358919
I already am
playing G/B elves

>>51323368
DDFT

>>51350772
I like design behind MTG gremlins
gremlin tribal when?

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what's /tg/'s thoughts on pic related? certainly felt like it was doing all the work against tron

I hope that Amonkhet doesn't have a meme red race and gives Goblins something to be real in modern

>>51359389
It's absolutely savage against some opponents who don't see it coming. Sometimes the opponent's draw just matches up well against it and it feels like it doesn't do anything. Obviously against tron it's nuts but I think stony silence is just better because it locks out artifacts no matter what

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>>51357655

>>51359389
Does this work against planeswalkers?

>>51359437
I fail to see how a tax effect hurts tron. It may slow them down of they really need to use maps but otherwise it looks like shit

>>51359545
What's your point?

>>51359548
It's only really good in the early game, prevents them from cracking maps and sphere/star. Like I said I think Stony Silence is better against Tron

>>51359545

Still not modern legal. It has to be reprinted in standard to be Modern Legal.

It's infuriating.

>>51359664
Suppression Field doesn't tax Chromatic Star/Sphere. Those are mana abilities.

>>51357821
Cloud of Faeries
Return to Lowryn

>>51357770
Yeah that was the one I was going to say. Unfortunately storm is in an even worse spot without probe.

>>51359546
yes

>>51323368
Four Horsemen

I find it hilarious all the people whining that storm got hurt by the probe ban.

The deck was already unplayable. Might as well cry about your troll tribal being ruined now

>>51342533
Power and flavour. Win win

>>51359389
the reason i say it did work against tron is that it took five turns to get out what ended up being karn, by that point I'd done what needed doing

What cards weaponize card draw?

>>51361930
Underworld Dreams. Mind Over Matter.

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>infect meta % decline
Did they actually kill it?

>>51322705
>What's your favorite sideboard card?
Spellskite? I use it in a lot of sideboards.

>Do you ever side cards in/out to counter what you assume your opponent is bringing in?
Of course.

>>51324469
>How did everyone do at fnm last night?
Last Friday I went 2-0-1 with BG Tron. The last round, my opponent slowplayed the shit out of me with Elves. I had an Ulamog in play and he had one land in play, but I needed another turn to win.

>>51325959
>What's everyone piloting this week for Modern
I'm not sure yet. Maybe Breach Titan.

>>51357764
>This is the lowest it's been since it's rotation from standard.

pretty sure i got mine for 20-25 each around january 2014

>>51357849
Naya Burn. Boros burn is fun, because you hurt yourself less and run main deck Helix, but Destructive Revelry and Atarka's command are just too dope to not run.

>>51352419
>top unban
kys faggot

>>51336478
>Riding the Anti-Discard hate train with the bears.
>That glorious feeling of Turn one Heirarch into Arbiter+Ghost Quarter to strip mine your opponent turn two.

My african american friend from another mother!

Almost got Affinity together, and I can bring Dredge, Cheeri0s, or Bubble Hulk to FNM for fun

>>51364876

>implying discard is strong

here's a tip: Decks that topdeck well and decks that play out of the graveyard don't give a fuck. if you do neither, youre probably an aggro babby and sad that they took your bogle

>>51365784
Build Splendid Dredge
trust me i'm a judge, it's the new meme deck

>>51365901
>aggro babby
Kys you drooling idiot

>>51365951

aw nevermind you're sad that they took your scapeshift/ad naus

eat a cock you mong

>>51342301
>FoW is actually cancer
The single card holding Legacy and Vintage from falling apart that is beyond fair to begin with because it's a minus 1 to play is cancer?

No wonder you loved infect, you're on line of being mentally challenged.

P.S.
Dredge doesn't care for FoW.

>>51365917
Played it online, fun deck

>>51366042
Actually I could go for some meme magic, have you got a serviceable list handy?

>>51365980
Jund is hard. Amirite

Is Jitte without SFM too powerful for modern?

>>51366249
The real question we should be asking is, "Does Jitte make for more interesting games?" And the answer is "no".

I know interesting games are not exactly a gold standard of achievement or a goal in Modern, but there is always at least one person who doesn't have fun when there is a Jitte on the battlefield.

The same can be said about the Swords. I'm grateful that they're not good enough for Modern. It's not that an environment where Swords are great is bad, but the sheer fact that people would have to play against Swords is the bad part. Shit would be unbearable if they were actually good.

>>51366391
We've got Steelshaper's Gift and Open the Armory. I think if swords were worth playing they would already be showing up. Even Stoneforge Mystic doesn't put them into play until at least turn 3.

>>51366118
Here you go, buddy

4 Faithless Looting
10 Mountain
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Stomping Ground
1 Forest
1 Cinder Glade
2 Blood Crypt
2 Steam Vents
4 Insolent Neonate
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Splendid Reclamation
2 Lightning Axe
3 Life from the Loam
3 Mystic Retrieval
2 Conflagrate
3 Tormenting Voice
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Darkblast

2 Slaughter Games
1 Explore
2 Lightning Axe
1 Crumble to Dust
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
3 Natural State
4 Deceiver Exarch

>>51366118
That was before Cathartic Reunion & I don't have GGTs on MTGO, also the sideboard is kind of a joke, but it's a place to start (Mystic Retrieval super spicy)

>>51366683
I'll throw some Golgari Thug and Mumhugs at the wall, see what sticks

>>51366669
I'm very tempted to throw $20 at this.

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>>51366864
forgot pic, what even is a sleep

Is GW hatebears dead?

>>51366885
It's pretty funny, but it gets hated like a mf (Surgical et al.)

>>51367055
Faerie Macabre tech to counter surgical, let's do it

>>51367078
Report back w/salt pls

>>51367125
Nah, I have better things to do with $20

>>51366885
>no 1of Molten Voltex
Cmon man you gotta make the most outta that Loam
Maybe a dakmore too

Also I have a feeling that Dredgevine could come back. Neonate is huge in that deck. Either that or that memehorn selfmill might resurge

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So I've done a lot of research into what people are running in Infect after the probe ban and I really like this build.

Played a few successful matches irl but most of the testing is done through test hands since I don't play online atm. So, thoughts people?

No idea for the Board yet