The Emperor's Daughters

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>>51317282

Malcador was a dirty old man.

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>>51317282

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>>51317282
There would be ass. Lots of high quality ass.

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>>51317544

Who would have the best ass?

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, but also more emotional so, sometimes worse sometimes better. Konrad Curze would have been even more fucked up than he already was, possibly past all repair. Same with Angron.
I think a female Fulgrim would have been better for Konrad - wouldn't have ratted him out when he spilled his guts, and possibly would have helped him through some of his shit.
Roboute might not be such an asshole.
Vulkan and Sanguinius... probably unchanged, let's be honest.

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>>51317801
Sanguinus, obviously.

>>51317282
On the whole, probably better off. Less testosterone means less war-mongering and getting into stupid fights (read: being assholes).
Being female would also make them more empathetic and emotional, which would be good and bad - >>51319124

If they HAD been made daughters instead of sons, I would go so far as to say the Heresy may never have happened the way it did, or at all.

>>51319124
If you're going by stereotypes, then isn't it the reverse for Fulgrim?
She'd be maximum Mean Girls

>>51319206

but women hate each other. Don they?

>>51319638
Well, Fulgrim's not very empathetic at all, though he is a bit emotional. And I don't think he'd be a bitch if he was a woman, he'd be a bitch as a guy, too.

(Also stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.)

>>51319657
Women (speaking from first-hand experience here) are mean to each other, but don't hate each other. We do sneaky shit behind each other's backs because we hate confrontation, but a primarch would no such inhibitions, being made for war and all. They'd get their shit out in the open and deal with it then and there. No hatred from that end. Also this competition between women only happens because of guys, adult married female friends don't do that shit, but single ones do.

>>51317801
This man is asking the important questions.

>>51319665
He does rat Curze out, and he's kind of a dick to Peturabo (though that's during the Heresy) - sure, they're both easy targets, as it were, but he's still a bit of a bitch.

And if this is "primarchs as teenage girls" as these threads commonly are, then she's definitely got the whole girl posse going on, given the known egotism and attitude of the EC commanders

>>51319755
Wait, as a teenager? Oh yes, Fulgrim would be a bitch. I was thinking more of an adult, mature female Fulgrim pre-Heresy (everyone turned into a bitch during the Heresy, I think, even Vulkan).

And I'm pretty sure ratting Curze out was less of him trying to be a bitch, but more that he didn't really understand why he shouldn't. Fulgrim has a hard time putting himself in others' shoes, so he thought talking about Curze's visions to others would somehow help. But I could be wrong.

>>51319675
I dunno women can get worse when they get a ring, and women DO hate eachother and hold grudges.

>>51319809
Oh I'm not saying women CAN'T hate or hold grudges, just that normally when it seems like they do they really don't.

I've known women to get clingy or bitchy when they have super low self-esteem or self-respect and get married. But that can't be the norm, right? Most women don't get worse when they get a ring.

>>51319781
Yeah, what with OP's pic it's often "as a teenager", so that was colouring my view slightly - also the way that most Primarchs kinda lack a fairly important teenage learning moment: that you're not the most important person in the world, that you're not magically better than everyone else, and that you have limits.
For the primarchs this is objectively not true, save about 20 or so other individuals, so they are kind of stuck being semi-teenagers in attitude.

Fulgrim probably wasn't trying to be a bitch, I'll give you that.

>>51319852
I'm kinda scared to look at the pic too closely, to be honest. I'm not sure I like what it implies.

And the teenager thing is so true - they're all a bunch of man-chidlren! If I could teleport to the 30k universe and bitch-slap them as kids (and somehow not die) I would.
Except Vulkan.
Vulkan's fine.
And Sanguinius.

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I've always preferred it when it's not the Primarchs themselves, but their children. The combination of how well a Primarch takes to parenting and what their parenting style is and what the Daughters turn out to be has always been of interest.

How does someone as crazy as Curze or Angron take to the sudden responsibility of raising a child? What about the Anti-social primarchs like peturabo or the Lion?

About the only one we know could be a good dad is Guilliman, because he alone had a regular family life with a mother and father.

>>51320078
Okay, that actually sounds like an interesting thing to read about. Looking at the picture now, I really like the Khan's/Russ' designs, and I think it's funny how Russ is just annoying Magnus. Curze has ventured from her cave and dislikes the daylight, lol.

This actually makes me want to write a fan-fiction about this. Either it turns out the primarchs are compatable with people (one of them gets a SURPRISE!) or they "adopt" a little kid (like it's the last living human on a planet and no one else can take care of them). Maybe they were compatable all along and it was the Emperor's plan for when the Crusade was over, so he wouldn't have to kill them off like the Thunder Warrriors? I can see Angron really loving the kid, but awkward and unable to properly care for them. Or Konrad fucking off like "she'll be fine, whatever" and one day realizing she's got some serious problems and he has to fix them, when he can't even fix himself.

Now look what you've done, anon!

MUST. RESIST URGE. TO WRITE SHITTY FANFICTION.

>>51319978
The primarchs, as a group, have a lot of issues, only some of which are down never getting out of the teenager mindset because they really ARE the most important and powerful people in the imperium and are pretty difficult to actually challenge. This is then combined with their numerous other issues.

Vulkan and Sang do have issues, they're just lower-key than their brothers' (which really isn't hard). Vulkan is the most stable by miles though

These threads have a number of ways they usually go, few of them all that good.

Personally I agree with >>51320078 that daughters are more interesting, but there's often tone issues (are we still in the 40k universe,.or is it suburban America?) and all too often the daughters are straight clones of their fathers in personality to the point that there's almost no point in being different - though part of what makes the primarchs compelling is their original personalities

>>51320165
If it helps there's already a TON of shitty fanfic on the topic, hence the pics

Search WHH on 1d4chan and then wish you didn't

>>51320165

It would be better than most of the fanfiction out there, being honest.

>>51320177
>>51320168

Already well acquainted with it. I love the idea and want to see more of it, but I feel none of those authors knew the Primarchs, or knew the 30k setting. And it should be the 30k setting.

What I'd like is a reboot with people who actually know the Primarchs and can make the Daughters feel more like actual children of the Primarchs and less like self-insert waifus. Because a lot of who the Daughters would be is how they react to the parenting of their Fathers, and how being raised by them would change them.

>>51320168
Vulkan and Sanguinius both are still a bit messed up, but I don't think it's because they're mentally teenagers. It's like subtle personality flaws versus glaring fuckhuge red flags and mental disorders. Makes you wonder about Big E.

Tone issues... I can see them now, unfortunately. I love fan-fiction, but I hate when they try to go in a completely other realm when it comes to tone. Let me guess... high school? Romantic comedy? Really dumb names that are supposed to be clever puns but with all the subtley of a nuclear strike, and stupid situations only there so the characters have an excuse to fuck? Somehow perfectly despite being teenagers?

>>51320177
I'm scared, but this has me sufficiently curious so I will prepare myself and dive in. Wish me luck.

>>51320245
>I'm scared, but this has me sufficiently curious so I will prepare myself and dive in. Wish me luck.

As a veteran let me give you a few tips.

The tone can vary wildly, from 'normal teenage girls whose dads just happen to be the Primarchs', to full on 40k setting stories. Of the latter, there's the fluffier SOL/Angst stories which tend to be the longer ones, and then there's the more 40k/grimdark ones, which have their own flaws.

Most of the short pieces can be discarded, leaving you with the novel sized monsters. Of those, in my opinion the best stories are Bound Fate and Ghosts of Rage. Bound Fate is closest to how I think >>51320078 might want to see things, while Ghosts is a really good character piece.

WELL I'M BACK ALREADY GUYS

(>>51320278 I will take this into consideration thank you.)

Can I just... the names, anons, the goddamn names are getting me already. I know it's a stupid thing to get non-existant jimmies rustled over, but... there's just two I actually like, Miranda (reference to the Tempest, actually subtle) and Freya. Hana's nice, too. But then there's...
ANGELa, even though Sanguinius hates being called a divine and an angel.
Furia, because "fury", get it guys?!
Kelly, while it's not so bad it's... way too modern. "Kelly Curze." Ugh.
Faith, again subtle.
But here are the worst offenders for me- Alpharia and Omegan. MEGAN. With an "o". Just... literally their dads' names with ONE letter changed or added to each.

Oh god.

>>51320245
Agree on the personality issues, and at least you're prepared for the fanfic

>>51320212
Most of it predates a lot of what we now know about the primarchs, but I agree - I'd also like to see (or even collaborate on) a rebooted version, but I'm heading into work where I will only be able to post sporadically.

My idea for a setup was that the Imperial Family would be the Emperor's answer to the primarchs' worry over 'what do we do when we've conquered the galaxy' - along with their legions, fiefs, and a few odd jobs, they have to raise a young nobility that has clear descent from the Emperor but isn't an enormous posthuman demigod - Big E wanted an empire ruled by humans, the primarchs didn't want to be thrown away and rejected, this is the compromise

>>51320356

Well, it helps that there's already a canon precedent. Malcador mentioning that he thought a few of the Primarchs should be female. He alone seemed to actually care for their role in future events, so he would be the one to mastermind a Daughter Project and twist the Emperor into going along with it.

Though the truth is that the whole thing would be dependent on the Emperor not being a giant douche who saw the Primarchs as numbers to be used and discarded. Because thanks to 'Master of Mankind', the Emperor's answer to the primarchs' worry over 'what do we do when we've conquered the galaxy', is 'Simple. We get rid of the Primarchs. 1 through 20 have fulfilled their purpose, it's tine to dispose of them. Custodes, deal with these.'

>>51320407
Because thanks to 'Master of Mankind', the Emperor's answer to the primarchs' worry over 'what do we do when we've conquered the galaxy', is 'Simple. We get rid of the Primarchs. 1 through 20 have fulfilled their purpose, it's tine to dispose of them. Custodes, deal with these.'

Wait. WHAT?! Explain this please.

>>51320548

Emperor outright says that the Primarchs are tools, referring to them by their numbers and is content to allow the fantasy of being their "father" as long as it keeps them loyal to him. And he basically admits that they have no place in the Imperium he will build and he intends to dispose of them once he's done.

>>51320548

There's a scene where Arkhan Land sees the Emperor working on Angron, and the Emperor goes "I don't consider the Primarchs my children. They're Pinocchio to my Gepetto."

The thing is, Arkhan is not an unbiased observer. The Emperor appears as different people to different viewers, and to Arkhan he appears as a purely logical scientist. (Also, the Emperor states that he could remove the Butcher's Nails, but the process would kill Angron dead. And he'd rather have a live Primarch than a dead one.)

>>51320578
Biased observer or no, the Emperor's actions actually support this point of view. I don't recall him doing anything at all, other than not immediately murdering Horus when he had the chance, that implies he has any love for the primarchs.

>>51317282
The single biggest issue leading to the Heresy was daddy issues (mostly abandonment). Making the Primarchs female would only worsen that.

Not wanting to just be war incarnate was another issue for some of the traitors (Lorgar, Pert, and Magnus to a lesser degree), another factor that would only be exacerbated by feminization.

>>51320694
>daddy issues
>this meme again

>>51320721

Well, thanks to certain writers it's become a cornerstone of the entire HH Series.

>>51320721
Their relationship with the Emperor (or his abandoning the GC at the end) was a significant factor in the fall of almost all of the traitor primarchs.

>>51320576
>>51320578
Well that's lame.

Still, it's one of the easier parts of BL's canon to ignore, especially in fanfic

>>51320740

it becomes worse when you realize the Emperor never gave a shit about any of them beyond them winning his empire.

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>>51317282
We'd finally have Female Space Marines.

But, no male Space Marines. Just "Brothers of Battle." I guess the Grey Knights would still be male.

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>>51319675
The only guy Female Primarchs would fight over would be the Emperor.

They'd fight for daddies approval (like their male versions) and none of them would have love interests. All other men would be beneath them.

>>51320855
Of course the gender-bending space marine cosplayer is from Soviet Russia.

>women in charge of space marine legions making war across the galaxy
>women in charge of anything more complicated than a facebook page

>>51319665

>Oh my god Fulgrim, you can't just ask why someone's black!

>>51317282
Malcador was pretty smart, so I'm inclined to think he might have had a good idea there if he actually said that.

DESU I'm pretty sure the heresy would've still happened. Having daughters instead of sons wouldn't make Big E less of a shit dad.

>>51320578

But Gepetto loves Pinocchio as a son...I mean, it's kinda the point of the story (He sells his one coat to buy schoolbooks for the puppet) even outside the disney version. Pinocchio is a little shit but Gepetto cared deeply for him.

>>51321004

Well, Gepetto didn't make Pinocchio expecting him to come to life. The Emperor made the Primarchs for only one reason: so they could fulfill His plans for humanity.

>>51321031

Yeah, I'm just saying that it kinda fucks up the analogy if you go with a creator who did love his creation (Intended or not).

But then: The Emperor is shit at talking to people, news at 11. We've known that since he High School Atheismed all over The Last Church.

>>51317282
Malcador must never have worked with women.

>>51317512
Pretty sure the kids would be retarded and sterile after the 2nd generation of that.

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>>51320936

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I'm not exactly sure how this is relevant, but it is.

>>51321049
Ain't the Emperor's fault BL keeps bringing in incompetent wankers to write about him.

>>51321070
Rio probably had a few stillborn siblings, and it's all downhill form there.

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I like the idea of the Primarch's themselves being girls, because that changes A LOT. ONLY female Space Marines being the tip of that change.

>>51320667
>Though the Emperor's psychic gifts and martial skills were unequaled, He found Himself unwilling to summon His full strength against His beloved son.
The Emperor loved Horus. He had rooms on Terra for his children to have when they were done.

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>>51317282
OK, so from the offset im not sure GW qould change anything else. They reallly like their status quo.

But, for the sake of argument:

>Misogyny,
The WH40K universe is built misogynistic. That's the way GW wanted it and what contributes to its grimdark aesthetic. Having women primarchs wouldn't change that.

Im thinking the most different change would be a slower expansion of the imperium during the great crusade due to more infighting and rebellion from the male military elements. I could imagine the primarchs having to loop back around a few times to re conquer a system or two.

>>51320356
>>51320548
I think alot of these issues could have been solved by emps getting a wife. Sons treat their moms differently then their dads. Giving the primarchs a mom could have given them someone to go to for life advice and counsel who they weren't all looking to impress.

Now im spitballing: It would also have introduced a little humility into the dynamic, having someone who was less powerful "further" up on the hierarchy and still very precious to them on an emotional level could have changed the way they interacted with humanity at large.


>>51319828
Im sorry, but your wrong.

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>>51321190
He actually had rooms on Terra for them? I couldn't find anything on that!

>>51321194
I don't believe you know what the word "misogyny" actually means. Here's the dictionary definition:
"dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."
>male military elements
As opposed to female military elements? Actually, throughout history, women who have risen to power politically or militarily were often more "bloodthirsty" than the men were.
>I think alot of these issues could have been solved by emps getting a wife.
Agree, just look at Roboute.
>I'm sorry, but your wrong.
About what in particular?

>>51321293
Im pretty sure that fits description fits how the WH40K world acts on the whole. And it should. I think you took as an insult what I meant as an analysis. Warhammer is a dystopia and the misogyny is a symptom of being a dystopia. This isn't a bad thing.

I think that because WH40K is a dystopia, and one of the main facets of that dystopia is a misogynist attitude. Its a facet of shit falling apart and does not mean the IP is misogynist. WH40K clearly waves red flags over this and is all "shits bad dont do this". So yes, I stand by my point. Thematically it makes sense to have more rebellions and infighting during the great crusade due to a lack of respect the almost exclusively male elements of the fleets would have towards the Primarches. Cause it's a dystopia.

>Agree, just look at Roboute.
Im glad you agree, but not sure what you mean by this, Did Roboute get a wife at one point?

And you're wrong about women not holding grudges. Women can and do hold grudges. There's that whole "hell hath no fury.." line for a reason.

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>>51321194
>The WH40K universe is built misogynistic. That's the way GW wanted it and what contributes to its grimdark aesthetic. Having women primarchs wouldn't change that.
> Having women primarchs wouldn't change that.
>Having
>women
>wouldn't change
>misogynistic

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

It would change EVERYTHING. First, the reason there are no girl Adeptus Astartes is because the Primarch's being male makes female Space Marines a genetic impossibility. However, if the Primarch's were female, then ONLY females could join the Legions. Females would be competing in the Milky Way to be turned into super soldiers. Men would have to sign up for the male equivalent of Adepta Sororitas, Sisters of Battle.

Females would be TRANSFORMED INTO GENETIC DEMIGODS and then get power armor. They'd be stomping around Battleships while mere mortals serviced it, doing jobs below the mental and physical superiority of the female Adeptus Astartes. When an Imperial Army Grunt looked up, it would be a female face encased in ceramite looking down.

So, it would change the patriarchal society in 40k into a matriarch society. It would be misandry instead of misogyny.
You know, the difference between night and day or up and down.

>>51321493
the problem with female astartes isn't that they're impossible it's that they'd be fucking pointless

in fact even thinking of space marines as "men" is already in and of itself a mistake, they're inhuman genetic monstrosities, a space marine is genuinely further removed from recognisable "humanity" than an Eldar is.

They have extra organs, the organs they share are very different, their musculature and bone structure is fundamentally different, they have sub dermal implants and different brains. From the genetic level on up, they are other.

If you make a girl a space marine she winds up looking exactly like Brother Marcus from the 3rd company, so from the point of view of the narrative there is literally no reason to do so. It's not going to be a Space Marine with tits, it's not going to be a weaker Space Marine, it's not going to be a special unique Space Marine, it's going to be a Space Marine.

>>51321493
Slow down salty, you're getting to wrapped up in this fantasy world.

The reason there are no female adeptus Astartes is because GW made a deliberate stylistic choice then built out the cannon to support it. Although it's more likely that emps would make female SMs There's no guarantee that the emps would make them.

Theres also no guarantee that a matriarchy would form. Remember, the emp is still in control and is a man. That would effect things heavily.

Furthermore, and this is a side note, you can have both misandry and misogyny co-existing in a society. They aren't mutually exclusive.

>>51321590
I agree with you, with a significant cavote. The space marines are "Men" in that they're treated as males. The heroic masculinity that the SMs embody contributes significantly to the themes GW wants to explore.

That being said, gender isn't really a topic GW lets its authors talk about in the WH40K universe so we dont really know how the imperium feels about transgender people or even homosexuals.

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>>51321590
Uh, no. "BROTHERS of Battle," "SONS of whoever," etc.
40k is FULL of words flaunting the fact the Adeptus Astartes are hyper masculine.

Now, I'm not saying that female space marines would be super models, but they'd be as recognizably female as the current ones are male.

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>>51321590
>It's not going to be a Space Marine with tits, it's not going to be a weaker Space Marine, it's not going to be a special unique Space Marine, it's going to be a Space Marine.
Well, that's kinda the point here. All of the Space Marines from the same genetic stock look the same because they're getting their genetics from their Primarch.

But, what if all the Primarchs were female?

>>51321686
No they wouldn't, have you ever seen an actual IRL muscle girl that wasn't beautified? Your fetish comics aren't real you fucking faggot.

the chest of a female space marine would be visually identical to a male space marine, female body builders all have breast implants because newsflash: tiddies are mostly fat.

likewise with the face, the treatments a space marine goes through would basically destroy any "female" identifiers. They also wouldn't be wearing makeup or long hair, they'd mostly be shaved bald or almost bald as most space marines are currently.

Same with bodyshape in general.

Also Power Armour wouldn look exactly the same, if you think you're getting jumbo sized sisters of battle think again.

>>51321730

No, I'm not saying they're like that because their Primarchs look like that, I'm saying they'd look like that because that's LITERALLY how the body works, the "female form" ceases to be indistinguishable from the male one past a certain point of being really fucking jacked.

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>>51321767
Oh, I guess your right. I can't tell which of these is a girl.

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>>51321730
Yeah buddy, im going to have to second >>51321767 but for different reasons. Expressions of genes are incredibly important. If you block a dudes testosterone and then give him estrogen his body will rebuild itself as much as it can to model being female. What i'm trying to say is that if you somehow rewrote the genetic code of every cell in someone's body it would still take very specific hormones to make them expresses those changes in a masculine or feminine manner.

But, lets just clarify here, GW is shit on science, and WH40K is a fantasy. and that's ok.

>>51321767
If 40k was a realistic setting, your point would have relevance.

It is not, and based on the "hyper-exaggerated" nature of 40k, yes they would be jumbo sized SoBs with giant boobs and wide hips, because 0 actual science goes into this setting.

Try again, salt-lord.

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>>51321767
Is what they're look like even the point?

I thought the question was more about how'd they ACT.

>>51321418
>Im glad you agree, but not sure what you mean by this, Did Roboute get a wife at one point?

He had the only regular family dynamic. Konor Guilliman as his father and Tarasha Euten as his mother.

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>>51321070
Tomaru genes stronk

>>51321817
Those guys look weak. Get some actual heavy weight lifters & not half-dehydrated shits.

>>51325185
oh my fucking god what

>>51327539
atleast the guy is in-universe considered human trash, i heard

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>>51321493
>>51321590
How they would look is irrelevant. How they would act isn't.

Pretty much every character in the 40k books have "proving their manliness" as their primary motivation. The only reason any of them seem to get up in the morning is FOR HONOR!

If you take away their need to prove their masculinity every second of every day, you're essentially changing their base motivation. THAT is where the major change would come from. Not how big their breasts or muscles would be, but how being female would change their motivations in life and how they interact with other characters.

>>51324824
There you go, that's another WH40K mystery solved. What we learned today was good parenting stops chaos. Im going to go google these people. Thanks anon.

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>>51327929
Your right. Well said.

>>51328890

Konor was one of the two Consuls of Macragge. Tarasha was his Seneschal and mistress. They raised Roboute together. Roboute had as close to a regular life as any primarch. He went to school, hung out with his dad, sat in the library reading. He wasn't a wild child like the Lion, a crazy vigilante like Curze or the slave to some xenos monstrosity like Mortarion.

>>51328942
So new question, who would make the best empress? Who would most balance out the emperor and be able to provide that bit of nurturing the primarchs apparently needed?

>>51329018

There's no woman who could do that.

The only human who can do that is Malcador. He's the only one who balances out the Emperor.

>>51329095

>Malcador and Emps, gay dads
>Fem Malcador, empress of the Imperium

Im strangely alright with both of these.

I guess the alternative is like, Emps frankensteining a bride and that's no good either.

>>51329018
While an empress who could balance out the emperor's terrible parenting would help immensely, that still does nothing for the issues that don't arise from that - physical, mental and terrible childhood issues, plus the "teenager" problem discussed upthread.

Even with the most amazing empress in the galaxy, there's nothing she could do about a lot of the problems the primarchs have (though I agree with >>51329095 that Malcador comes closest)

To have the primarchs is to have them scattered and to come with all their issues, but there's a possibility of normalising them with family life - given the most stable primarchs had families.
Or at least Malcador might think so, leading to something like >>51320356 >>51320407

>>51329341

The most stable Primarchs were the ones with Families. Think about it, Roboute was the most stable, and he had two parents. Vulkan had a dad who raised him, and he turned out very well. Dorn grew up in a family, and while a stern and austere bastard, he was very stable mentally and emotionally.

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>>51329018
You'd have to go outside of the 40k universe.

>>51330195
I'm alright with opening up the field. Just no non-humans.

>>51330259

How many strong female rulers are there who could possibly be a restraining influence on someone as divorced from humanity as the Emperor?

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>>51330290
They dont have to be rulers in there own right. So I guess we're looking for someone strong willed enough not to immediately bow to the Emperor and compassionate or empathetic enough to counter the chair lord's raging hard on for manifest destiny.

So like >>51329095 suggested, a female Malcador, or maybe an adult Modoka.

>>51330400
I-Isha...?

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>>51331616
Not a human.

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>>51330259
>>51330290
>How many strong female rulers are there who could possibly be a restraining influence on someone as divorced from humanity as the Emperor?
The Saintly Perfect Goddess from Battle Girlz.

Or this character:
https://www.amazon.com/Quintessential-Mary-Sue-Taylor-Connor-ebook/dp/B00WT8Y8AY

>>51331753
ok, your subtle sarcasm is noted.

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>>51319151
>Sanguinus
> Not Fulgrim

>>51331858
>>>>>>>subtle

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>>51331753
>https://www.amazon.com/Quintessential-Mary-Sue-Taylor-Connor-ebook/dp/B00WT8Y8AY

>Print Length: 42 pages
>42 pages
>42
>pages

What?

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>>51331906
>Finding this emaciated asshole attractive

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>>51321418
Ah, sorry about that. Got a bit triggered, I guess, after reading some feminist/SJW articles claiming 40k is sexist and awful, unironically. I agree it's a shit universe to live in and adding anything bad to the setting just makes it better in that way.
As for the universe being misogynist... is it? I mean, you've got women in the Guard, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, even female space marines if you go far enough back in the fluff. Women can hold the highest stations in the Empire and often do (Inquistors, High Lords, commanders, etc.), even in Eldar society women are equal, if not higher than men because they're often more psychically gifted. Tau are equal too. Vulkan had a wife during the Crusade, and Salamanders will marry humans as well! (Didn't Sanguinius have a girlfriend at one point? Or was that also old fluff?) Not to mention all the individual badass women, like Alivia Sureka, Lotara Sarrin, Tarasha Euten, Saint Celestine, Shadowsun, Taldeer, Isha, Slaanesh (does he/she/it count?), among so many others.

>>51329018
>No one mentioning Alivia Sureka
>HERESY!!!
Also pic related.

>>51317282
Instead of one Heresy, there would be dozens. And a whole lot of Legions not talking to each other and bitching about one another behind each others backs.

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>>51333833

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>>51321194

>Misogyny,
The WH40K universe is built misogynistic. >That's the way GW wanted it and what contributes to its grimdark aesthetic. Having women primarchs wouldn't change that.
So I take it your just some idiot that found 40k through buzzfeed I take it?

>>51327929
Wouldn't """women""" want to prove their manliness even more? They would definitely have to work harder for it.

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>>51334215
That's not what anon is saying, anon.

They're pointing out that the point of 40k, as a whole, from a business perspective, is a fucked up grimdark future. Female primarchs or no, we'd have a fucked up grimdark future, because that's just what GW wants the setting to be.

I got triggered at misogyny, too, it's okay. I don't think anon is one of them.

>>51321418
Saying 40k is a universe built on misogyny, is like saying a universe with Nazi's running the world can get along with fucking communist Russia. Both of these ideas are stupid and have no bearing on reality, so pray tell where the hell did you pull that thought from?

>>51321817
Its like looking at a sack of potatoes and meat wrapped in burnt plastic.

>>51330400
I did not know my dick needed this pic.

>>51334288
You can never be too sure dubs man. But okay then.

>>51319206
>Less testosterone means less war-mongering and getting into stupid fights (read: being assholes).
This is a complete urban myth.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-testosterone-alone-doesnt-cause-violence/

>>51319638
Ladygrim also means shipping with Ferrus Manus.

More than now, anyways.

>>51334508
Actually, it's not.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16483890
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2008.137018
Not a gender issue, either:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970927110900.htm

As anecdotal as a personal story is, I also want to point out that this has been true for people in my family as well. My dad used to be an irritable asshole until he started testosterone (his was too low), when he had the right amount he was chill and awesome. Before they knew how much to give him, though, they gave him too much and he was constantly trying to start shit.
On a similar note, I have higher than normal testosterone and... it's obvious. I'm competitive, physical, stronger than other women my age, and a bunch of other things like that. Not a myth in the least.

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>tfw you will never read any more stories of "Warhammer High," the fanfiction universe written by a bunch of elegan/tg/entlemen about if the Great Crusade had been completed and the Emperor created daughters for the primarchs to keep them occupied

>tfw you will never read anymore fanfic about 17 year old Primarch daughters as they go about Imperator High

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bound_Fate_(Warhammer_High)

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_High

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fapfics_(Warhammer_High)


Why even live

oh god I understand weabs and their annoying as stupid shit after reading all this and liking it

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>>51334549
>More than now, anyways.

I don't think that's possible.

>>51317282
>Sisters
>More civilized

Spoken like someone whose never had sisters or female children

>>51334641

I hope you took the advice and read the good stories,and not the shit ones.

Though there is room for improvement, most of the stories lack a 30k feel, and those that do have other issues. Plus as said above, there needs to be more on the Primarchs themselves and their parenting skills or lack thereof.

>>51334723
>Though there is room for improvement
Oh no doubt about it, anon. I'm really just bemoaning the fact that there aren't more writefags that write well working on this RIGHT NOW

>>51334749
Anyone who writes WHH here gets shit on cause this board doesn't know what they want from it.

Do something serious, get hate that it's not WHH
Do some slice of life, get hate that it ain't grimdark

Eventually all the writefags who worked on it gave up with all the hate they got and any other writers didn't wanna touch it because they would become a target.

>>51334723
What is the 30k feel?
What were, in your opinion, the good ones?

>>51335149
I don't give a fuck, anon. I will praise it until the cows come home if it's
>WHH related
>stories about the primarch's daughters
>not written like a middle schooler
Literally those are the only things I want from writefags here after reading WHH on 1d4

>>51335220
You didn't like any of the content that was on the wiki?

>>51319151
you mean SanguinASS

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The wings automatically make him the hottest one.
I didn't even download this to reply to you, I already had it. Please don't judge me.

>>51336019
for
>>51335887

>>51335384
I like a good portion of the content on the wik but the thing is that I've read all of it now. Yes, all of WHH content.

writefags pls, I will literally suck your dick(s)

>>51320855
>Brothers of Battle
actually you'd probably have the old terrian gene soldiers,thunderwarriors and custodies

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>>51335149

I already said >>51320278

And as for the 30k feel in general, it's a strange hybrid of regular 40k and Star Wars. Optimistic, with war reduced to a grumbling on the frontiers. There's a feeling of progress, that what was lost can be rebuilt. It's a Renaissance for mankind. But it's one where people weren't given a choice. It's bright, and everyone's so hopeful and sure of themselves. But darkness still lurks in the shadows, and that's reflected in the darker undercurrent to everything. In other terms it's noblebright with lots of shady places where the dregs of grimdark lurk. Though the issue is preventing the grimdark from dominating without making things too contemporary and noblebright, and keeping that 30k feeling of optimism with a darker undercurrent to it.

Also have a cute picture.

>>51336056
>>51335220

If you're that desperate for more WHH, there is a slim chance. The last author to write in the setting had plans for a trilogy, Bound Fate, False Savior and Appraisal. Of those, only Bound Fate was completed, though the other two were outlined. If you and a bunch of others were to leave reviews and requests for the series to continue on its page, the author might come back and finish the series. Here's the link.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9580671/1/Bound-Fate

>>51337117
Excellent, thanks anon I will do that.

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>>51334343
Anon please, reread the post.
>>51334215
Let me try this again:
WH40K is built dystopic, GW wanted it that way. One of the ways GW shows that its a dystopia is by using misogyny. They use it in the same way that they use inefficiency and general ignorance to show that shit is fucked up in WH40K.

The part of the opening text for every warhammer 40k book is "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions." And thats what all the stories are about, its about trying to be a moral man in a universe that seems indifferent to your efforts. But, its about being a morally good "man". The IP explores being a good man and has little time for anything else. Im not opposed to that focus, but im very aware of that focus.

And no, im the idiot who found buzzfeed because of WH40K.

>>51337827
I'm pretty sure the term "man" in that instance just means humanity in general. Like how "all men are created equal" in the Constitution.
I don't know about you, but a lot of the stories I read tend to have strong or otherwise awesome female characters in them when it's not focusing purely on space marines or genderless aliens. Heck, I was reading one of the space marine omnibuses and there was a part where the space marines stopped to admire how strong and durable a group of women were for keeping their heads on during a crisis that drove pretty much everyone insane.

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>>51332010
I still want to know what is going on with 42 pages of a story literally called "The Quintessential Mary Sue."

Anyone want to take the plunge and report back?

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I'm just going to leave this here.

>>51319124
Are you >implying Fulgrim wouldn't have been the biggest gossipy bitch of all

>>51320971
>Um, we wear pastel pink with gold on Tuesdays? You can't sit with us

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>>51338348
>Implying they don't wear pastel pink and gold all days

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Well, I'm back from reading Warhammer High. Most of it was trash, but a lot of it was surprisingly good.

>I'm really just bemoaning the fact that there aren't more writefags that write well working on this RIGHT NOW

I've never written fan-fiction, and I lost my love of writing as a kid when my parents thought I stole everything I wrote. I haven't really written since then - so I imagine I'm not very good at it - but, reading WHH has rekindled my desire to write.

I slept on it and came up with a bunch of ideas for stuff to write about concerning primarch daughters, not necessarily Warhammer High (thought I wouldn't be opposed to writing that specifically if I was given good ideas).

I think the tone I'm going for with this idea is 30k; a bit of grimdark and seriousness, but with a little bit of comedy and fun to make it interesting and bright. Also fap material where it's applicable.
So, anons, tell me what to write! (Pic related, and warning, it's a slog.)

Also... what are we gonna call this reboot?

>>51337827
Not that guy, but I disagree with your assessment that the Imperium is mysoginistic.
Mysogony implies hatred or at the very least some form of dislike influencing the actions of the Imperium, when I would argue that the Imperium is actually supremely indifferent.

The Imperium is actually quite fair in how it treats both genders, as in the eyes of the Imperium, people from both genders are simply resources to be expended in the pursuit of the continued existence of humanity. There are few jobs that women aren't allowed to do by imperial decree and really their treatment isn't any worse than that of their male counterparts.

>>51338292

There's a Free Sample button on the right. It details her looks, personality, occupation, and a bit of backstory in 1 or 2 pages.

>>51338727
Hi anon, I agree with you that the Imperium, in cannon isn't actively "misogynistic". Certain facets of the imperium definitely segregate people along sex lines, like our beloved Death Korps. But in this you're right, all people are merely resources for the Imperium. But how the Imperium deploys those resources is another question.

What GW has chosen to do is make the vast majority the movers and shakers in the Imperium male. GW has decided to make most of the people dictating the narrative male. GW has decided to focus on themes of heroic masculinity. Maybe your right. Maybe the property as a whole isnt "misogynistic", but, I cant think of another word that sums up the Warhammer universes disdaine for things seen as traditionally feminine and praises things seen as traditionally male.

One of OP's question was, what would change if some or all of the primarchs were female. I stand by my anwser, a smaller imperium from the outset, caused by greater infighting during the grand crusade due to WH40K being a dystopia.

>>51337907
Your right the whole "man" thing can be used interchangeably, but there are so few female central characters in the literature that it really doesn't matter. It starts by saying "To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions" and all the books are told fro the perspective of men, and all the overwhelming majority of characters are men, i'm going to go ahead and say the WH40K is about being a man in these times.

Don't misunderstand me, this isn't a bad thing. We aren't all up in arms that Harlequin romance novels are focused on women.

I feel like this is drifting towards some kind of organised WHH reboot or some shit - which, between the new(ish) 40k AU floating around somewhere and Love & Krieg being rewritten, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>51341792
tl;dr: the property as a whole isn't misogynistic, nor is the IoM in-setting, but its presentation is

>>51338704

The best place to start would be to just to write something about the Daughters and Primarchs so you can get to grips with them, get an idea as to how you'd write them. Get into their heads and briefly touch on who they are and why they're that way.

In the case of your outlined fics, that would best be filled by 4, though you could just do a series of vignettes of a day in their lives to see how they see the world and act and behave etc.

Hope this helps. And good luck.

>>51338704
I politely request lesbians. Thanks.

>>51317282
>sisters
>more civilized
Surely you must be joking

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>>51341693
Right, so what could the next 40 pages possibly be about?

>>51338704

Warhammer University?

Other potential writefag here. I thought about it and I have an idea for a "hektor heresy" style thing where we examine what might have happened if some of the primarchs had been female.

Female:

Horus (loyal, replaces Roboute, killed by Lorgar at Imperial Palace)
Fulgrim (traitor, killed by Ferrus on not!Istvaan after stupid amounts of shipping in the Great Crusade)
Alph/Omegon (whole legion female, loyalties split between two primarchs)
Lorgar (replaces Horus as arch traitor, Word Bearers become a huge legion, seems like she's the best conqueror until all her planets rise up as chaos minions)
Russ (loyal, tsundere A.F. with Magnus)
Khan (loyal)
Dorn (loyal)
Angron (traitor, becomes very passive-aggressive instead of straight rage)
Roboute (traitor)

Male:

Ferrus (kills Fulgrim, but gets very upset over what he's done and starts indiscriminately murdering people until he is killed. Amplifies FLESH IS WEAK among surviving IH)
Magnus (loyal)
Morty (probably traitor)
Curze (traitor)
Lion (WAS ALREADY A TRAITOR)
Vulkan (loyal, still best bro of all time)
Corax (loyal)
Sanguinius (goes traitor with roboute, form their own Imperium Secundus)
Perturabo (loyal, builds autistic walls with Dorn)

I might switch the loyalties of IH and EC.

Basically Lorgar and Horus are the two "favored children." Emperor roasts Colchis still, but this time with Horus instead of Rawbutt Girlyman. Lorgar seems to acquiesce and goes on a win streak, taking thousands of worlds and expanding her legion mightily. Magnus and Russ bang on Ullanor. All is well.

But Fulgrim feels let down by the growing oppression of the Imperium, and her desire for perfection allows her to join with Lorgar. Similarly, Roboute and Sanguinius feel that their own empire could do much better than the Emperor. Angron and Curze are insane, Morty gets dragged into things, and before you know it: HERESY!

1/2

>>51344764
Burning of Prospero: Magnus discovers Lorgar's shenanigans, fucks shit up on Terra by accident, Russ comes over and they talk it out. Magnus heads to Terra and splits most of his soul from his body to sit on the Golden Throne while he leads the 1k Sons (also, dammit, the Thousand Daughters would have been perfect).

Now the Emperor is out and about with the Custodes to go fuck up some traitors. Lured into trap somehow, loyalists BTFO. not!Istvaan happens, Ferrus and Fulgrim die. More shit happens. Slowly pushed back to Terra.

Final battle happens in front of the Golden Throne. Lorgar is trying to summon daemons, so Magnus is forced to sit bodily upon the Throne to keep the portal closed while the Emperor helps. Horus duels Lorgar and is killed. Emperor fights Lorgar, gets fucked up. Random mysterious guardsman stops the final blow for a whole two seconds before getting his soul mind-raped.

While Lorgar focused her psychic abilities on the guardsman, Emps siezes the moment to strip the influence of the Chaos Gods away. They look sadly at each other and then Emps kills Lorgar once and for all.

2/2

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>>51317801
>Who would have the best ass?
Fulgrim. He is sex incarnate.

>>51338704
Politely requesting 2 and 8, and adding that since you're on a madagascan literature smuggling microblogging site, everyone's probably lowkey asking for 1

>>51338704
15 or 12a my good man.

>>51344764
>>51344893
This...looks rather interesting. And without a "reeee females of no objective value get out" shitposter in sight

>>51347508
Well, it's good to have an affirmative response. I'm having trouble deciding where exactly to start, though.

Any ideas?

>>51335149

>Eventually all the writefags who worked on it gave up with all the hate they got and any other writers didn't wanna touch it because they would become a target.
>tfw I wrote a WHH fic for the writethread a couple months ago and everyone loved it

>>51348353

Which one was yours?

>>51348424

https://1d4chan.org/images/6/66/WarhammerHigh.png

>>51317282
>sisters
>more civilized
That writer has never been around women. No one hates women more than other women

>>51319206
Are you kidding me? The most confrontational and least empathetic people i know are all female.

>>51338704
13 through 16 look pretty good to me - not as deepest lore as the others, sure, but there's more room for exploring characters as opposed to epic events, and leaves things open for all the primarchs

It's also similar to an idea I had - http://pastebin.com/vMSdWB8G

>>51349840

Funny, you had the same idea as the author of the Appraisal Trilogy. He had a group called the Officio Tutamentum Protection Force, comprising one recruit each from the Assassin Clades, led by Malcador's adopted son the Sigitine. Their job was to watch over the Daughters, keep them safe and destroy threats to them both from within and without.

>>51347508

The door of the great hall washed open, moved by wind, accompanied by a stranger. Cheering, bantering and drinking halted at once, so sudden was the change. The air itself turned to a warm darkness from the usual biting chill of Fenris.

The hooded figure strode between the long tables, his cloak tracked by dozens of blue eyes, until at last the long wind ceased; the leaves no longer blew in from outside; and the man stopped before the dais, his hood already off of his head without a single movement, his force of will holding the guards from approaching him.

Queen Russ glanced down at the stark, handsome face, black hair streaming from his head. She took a lazy gulp from her mug and regarded him for a moment more.

"And who might you be?"

A waiting pause.

"Just a traveller."

A cool drink.

"A simple wanderer does not have such a force about him."

His eyes did not move from hers.

"I have not said I am simple."

Hers rolled and rested again.

"Alright. If you will not tell me who you are, then what are you?"

"Strength and destiny."

>>51351474
With that, the queen's countenance walked from feigned boredom to blushing, righteous anger.

"Stronger than me? Wiser than the Rune Seers? I have bested every man, every army, that has challenged me. I was raised by a she-wolf and a king. I slay mighty beasts. I rule justly and peacefully. The priests say the stars themselves are my watchers. And you say you are strength? You say you are destiny?"

The stranger's eyes were calm and his words stayed smooth:

"You words are artful in rage, so I tell you this: I journey from the stars, and soon will return there."

The queen's vision narrowed, blonde hair descending over her icy gaze freezing into steel.

"If you are so destined, stranger, then how about a challenge? Or a series thereof. I will test you, as is the way of Fenris."

"I will go your way."

"Then prepare yourself."

>>51351586
The queen rose from the throne, revealing her massive height, strength, and regalia. The pelt of a massive creature rounded her shoulders, but dropped as she unclasped her cloak. Blue and black clothing shrouded her, and her muscles pressed at seams. She tightened a thick, sandy braid into a bun.

The first challenge was eating. Whole turkeys lay before the competitors, and they raced to finish them. The queen trounced the stranger.

The next test was drink. For a whole day and night, mead and wine flowed in rivers. The queen outlasted the cloaked man.

At last came combat. Russ fought brutally, wildly, yet with the skill and speed of a veteran. The bout took dawn away from dusk, but at last the man felled the queen with a heavy punch.

Waking quickly from unconsciousness, the queen looked up to see the man--no longer shrouded in the dim but blazing with golden light, perfect crown and armor enveloping his colossal figure.

"I am the Emperor of all Mankind. I go now to begin a great quest, a crusade, to reclaim the lost worlds of our people. You are my long-lost daughter, Queen Leman Russ, and you shall have a mighty legion of warriors to conquer the stars at my side with your siblings. Will you join me?"

Breathless and amazed, Russ knelt before the golden giant. Her whole array of supporters followed suit.

"Stranger. Emperor. Father. You have proven your might, and have Fenris at your back."

>>51351474
>>51351586
>>51351758

Short, but an interesting start.

>>51352636
Thanks. Was just kinda getting a feel for it.

Also, I might be retarded, but how do I make a page on 1d4chan?

>>51341792
I think you're confused. Misogynistic means it displays a hatred of women. Having a target demographic that is mostly male and thus being male-centric does not make something misogynist.

>>51317282
Sisters are way worse to each other than brothers. My uncle and his wife have 2 sets paternal twins, 1 girl and 1 boy each set. The brothers are far less likely to do something to each other out of malice.

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>>51346990

>>51353259

You're still around? Surprising. Good to see you never let the haters get you down. How's the quest going?

>>51353317
>Quest
REÈEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51329018
The Matriarch of the Selenar? The Emperor getting her as an Empress rather than a vassal would have averted the attack on the EC gene-seed cargo.

>>51338704
13 Perturabo or Lorgar

>>51327539
Have you ever played Crusader Kings 2.

You can get a family tree that looks just like that.

Emperor marries own sister, takes other sisters or close blood relatives as concubines. As they start approaching 40 you should have some daughters coming along.

Repeat for grandchildren and, if your dude survives long enough, great grandchildren.

So much fun to play as Tomaru Hapsburg.

>>51320078
>ARE YOU REAL, FERRUS?! LOOK INTO MUH BIG BROWN TIDDIES, ARE YOU REAL?!!

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>>51344333
A series of vignettes seems like a good place to start, I think I'll do that first. Open to ideas.

>>51344428
Any... particular lesbians, well-mannered anon? >>51338313

>>51347443
Lowkey I was hoping to write that one the most.

>>51347481
>my good man
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?!!!


Real talk, I'm surprised anyone actually replied to that huge wall of text. Thank you all and keep 'em coming! When this thread gets archived I'll take a final tally and decide where to go with this all next.

>>51356431
The question wasn't adressed at me but
Russ and Magnus.

Bump for survival?

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>>51317801
Seeing that pic reminded me.

BUMPAN because potential writefagging should be saved, even if it's bad. Helps to know what not to do, as well!

>>51358803
truth

>>51358803
did nothing wrong

Anyone remember the thread we had where they grew up?

>>51356431
If you'll be pulling something, a new thread would be neat as shit. Especially if we could get others involved as well like >>51344764.


Just, for the love of god and all that is holy, we need better names for the Daughters

>>51364137

A few of the names are crap, but most fit very well. And they do fit the 30k/40k naming conventions.

>>51364175
Eh, I have a LOT of the same objections as >>51320342, although I have no idea if that's our writefriend

>>51364257

Well, much of that bitching is bitching at the primarch naming conventions.

>ANGELa, even though Sanguinius hates being called a divine and an angel.
When the concept was first mooted, there were about 5 or 6 different names mooted for Sanguinius' daughter. In the end, the only one that could be agreed on was Angela.

>Furia, because "fury", get it guys?!
Angron because "angry", get it guys?!

>Kelly, while it's not so bad it's... way too modern. "Kelly Curze." Ugh.
I completely agree with this though. However a good name is really hard to think of. There's no female characters in Heart of Darkness that you could find a name from.

>Faith, again subtle.
Lorgar's about the least subtle Primarch.

>But here are the worst offenders for me- Alpharia and Omegan. MEGAN. With an "o". Just... literally their dads' names with ONE letter changed or added to each.
I can see where it's coming from but where can you find female names that mean 'Beginning and End' respectively?

>>51344764
here, working on fulgrim + ferrus purging diasporex

>>51366700

The hull of the xenos station melted away as the assault claws punched in and disgorged their deadly occupants. Immediately the forces of the tenth and third legions were assailed by fifty Diasporex marines, alien lasrifles punching holes through armor, cybernetics, and flesh. The Astartes responded in kind. Bolters pounded through the enemy. Meltaguns seared bodies through bulkheads. Though both sides took casualties, only one fell screaming.

Phoebe and Ferrus leapt from their own transport and immediately rushed down the wide hangar with their command squads, small arms fire plinking off their masterwork armor harmlessly as they thundered into the foe.

Phoebe rushed one human combatant and decapitated him, ignoring his pitiful weapon. One xeno tried to tackle her and plunge a knife through her power armor, but as he went for her legs she had already spun around and shattered his face with a knee. She swung at another, and another, and launched into a dance of war, her sword whirling, plunging through hearts, severing limbs, cracking armor plates, ending lives. Phoebe reveled in their cries and longed to feel their lifeblood against her skin.

The last human standing rushed at Ferrus from behind, bellowing a war cry and brandishing a power
axe. Phoebe cut his legs out from under him just as he was about to try the same to the Gorgon. Ferrus turned only as the man was shot dead by one of his guard. As they locked eyes through their visors, Phoebe uttered an absurd giggle, which Ferrus returned as a hefty laugh.

Just then, more defenders rushed through the main passage, weapons fire splitting the air again as heavy bolters tried to cut them down. A multi-melta erased one of the Gorgon Terminators beside the Primarchs, forcing them to take cover. Grenade launchers peppered their armor with shrapnel. Laser beams and plasma blasts pressed in on the Astartes.

"We need to get up there!" Phoebe shouted.

Ferrus nodded and keyed to his gunners.

>>51368165
"Cover us!"

The remaining bolters pressed the defenders near the siblings into their own cover.

"Now!" Ferrus shouted.

With inhuman speed for their massive armor, Phoebe and her Phoenixes vaulted up the steps to the Diasporex position, and immediately began sowing mayhem and terror in the ranks of the foe as their spears and swords ripped apart flesh. The Medusans came close behind, crushing any opponents in heavy armor with their cog-head axes, thunder hammers, and even their fists.

As the special weapons of the Diasporex were silenced, the Iron Hands breacher squads began to advance, and the last of the resistance was eliminated with mass-reactive shells.

"We should press on quickly to the command center," Phoebe voxed to Ferrus.

"You go ahead. Take the hidden passage we scanned earlier," he replied, "and we will plunge into their thickest defenses to draw them away."

Phoebe sighed. "Don't waste your lives on our account. We should fight together."

"Our troops are already doing the same in the rest of the station. Hurry! Finish this menace once and for all," he urged.

Beneath her helmet, Phoebe smiled at his chivalry, and turned to her Terminators. "Let's go," she said.

>>51368181
With the majority of the Diasporex occupied by the other Astartes, the Phoenixes made it through the hidden passageway (really more of a maintenance shaft) handily.

Phoebe waited for her Terminators to catch up over the section situated above the bridge. As they strode in, she set down a meltabomb and stepped back.

"Ready?" she asked.

"Ready, my lady," they responded in unison.

Phoebe turned back to the bomb and hit the detonator.
With a thoom, the melta charge pressed the bulkhead down and out, splattering a Diasporex officer beneath it. The Emperor's Children flew through the gap.

"Wait!" came the cry from the xenos captain, but combi-bolters were already firing upon the alien and human crew.

Within a minute, it was done. No defenders came, as they had all been drawn off to stop the diversionary attack.

The xenos captain, though shot in the gut, was still breathing.

"Do you have any last words, alien scum?" Phoebe asked, gunsight on his head.

"We only wished... to be.. left alone."

Without a thought, the bolter ended his life.

But Phoebe took too long to process his message. She realized something, and the gun fell from her hand, innocent.

>>51368195
Just then, Ferrus opened the main door and entered. The distant echoes of fighting were dying down behind him as he strode up to his sister.

"That's their leader?"

"Yes."

"Hm. Looks like he put up a fight, eh?" he said, glancing at her fallen bolter.
Phoebe was silent for a minute and looked at the floor. "No."

"Phoebe," he said. She looked up at him. "They were a threat to the Imperium."

"He was unarmed. I assassinated him. Murdered him."

"An alien. Impure. Destined to harm us, harm humanity."

"They had humans in their crew."

"Thralls corrupted to serve them!"

"He said they only wanted to be left alone."

"A lie."

"What did they do to us, Ferrus? What would they ever do?"

"Phoebe. There is still a fight to be had. We must finish the rest of these scoundrels. They are trying to kill your sons as we speak! You should be protecting your legion! You love to fight, anyways."

Phoebe took off her helmet and took a deep draw of death and blood in the air. She looked around for a minute, saw her own work, and put the helmet back on.

"Let's get this over with."
---

Phoebe no longer reveled in their cries, for she had indeed felt their blood on her hands. But she moved with perfect art and blessed their deaths with grace, and was silent for a long while while the prisoners were gathered and shipped off to the labor camps.

>>51368212

Where's the talking sword?

>>51368593
...I always hated that aspect of Fulgrim. It seemed like such a lazy way to have him fall.

I'm ditching it for the moment and planning on Fulgrim just ending up disillusioned with the ills, errors and imperfections of the Imperium, and going that way. Seems more human.

>>51368748

>Not doing Horus' rape dungeon.

2E fluff best fluff.

>>51368895
>lesbian horus rape dungeon

well now I HAVE to do it

Do you guys think Kelly would be into hand holding and listening to early 2000s screamo on a rainy day?

>>51317282

Malcador has never dealt with women. They do not work together well compared to an equivalent group of men.

>>51369030

I don't know why there's such a fixation on literally the least developed and most paper-thin of all the Daughters. There's literally no personality for her, beyond strapping this shitty goth/emo thing on her.

>>51369113
>shitty goth/emo thing
this is my fetish yes

>>51369138

Well, for one that sort of sect would not exist in any form in the 31st millennium or whenever. And Kurze is never shown as an Emo or Goth. He's psycho Punisher Batman.

If anything, Miss Kurze would have a very strong sense of justice drummed into her from a young age. She's probably be judgemental, aloof and with a very strong moral code. The sort who would come down on you like a ton of bricks for any lawbreaking.

>>51369189
Im a socially awkward INTJ that is such a goody two shoes that my dream job is to be a cop. I want to be able to yell I AM THE LAW at people. she can judge me all she wants as long as i get my h*nd h*ld

>>51369113
that's it that's the joke

>>51369242
w i z a r d
d e t e c t e d

>>51317282
This is WH40k, so it just would have gone to hell in a completely different direction. Slaanesh would have tempted one of them into trying to bang Dad or some horseshit like that.

>>51369475
fic of that when?

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>>51369883
I got you bro.

>>51368895
>Horus' rape dungeon
Exaggeration or truth? I must know.

>>51364137
Probably will make a new thread when this gets archived, yeah. I'm >>51320342 so why don't we all try to make them some better names right now?

Kelly - Adria
Konrad's character was based off of Heart of Darkness' character Conrad, who in turn was based off of the real life Leon Rom, a ruthless military man who is famous for his conduct in the Congo. In Lugbara mythology (based in the Congo) the creator god is named "Adroa", and is described as being good and evil, appearing as a half-dead man who was very tall and white. His children were called the "Adroazi" - hence, Adria. Is that still shit? Alternatively, she could be named "Kiara Curze" because "Kiara" means "dark" and that sounds better as a name.

Alpharia and Omegan - Aleph and ???
I found the root of the Greek letter "Alpha", which is "Aleph", but "Omega" was basically just made up by the ancient Greeks so there's no equivalent there. Any ideas? Maybe take the "Omicron" letter's origin of "Ayn" because they're both an "O" letter? Or maybe a hydra-related name?

Angela - Muriel
The angel of emotions, she encourages awareness and the ability to get in touch with our deepest feelings.

Faith - Athena
Athena is a godess of wisdom, and the Word Bearers' original purpose was to spread knowledge (therefore wisdom) in the form of the Imperial Truth. It's a stretch, but I refuse to believe the Emperor would allow one of his granddaughters to literally be named "Faith" or any derivative thereof.

>>51371487
Muriel sounds like an old woman, rest are bad.

>>51371487

Adria Curze. That fits very well, and is esoteric enough to be right up old GW's alley. Same with Athena Aurelian, the alliteration is nice.

If someone could be arsed enough to change all the many names on 1d4chan, I;d say those two can be signed off.

>>51371556
Maybe not change every name, but add the new ones to their descriptions?

>>51371582

I'd keep the originals as middle names or nicknames. So Kiara "Kelly" Curze ((Because a fair few might not be able to pronounce Kiara), and Athena "Faith" Aurelian, because of her zealousness and proselytizing.

Thinking on it, a lot of the Daughter names follow similar structures to the father's names, so Kiara Curze would be far better. Certainly would be less of a change while also preserving the intention.

>>51371606
That actually sounds like a great idea! Any other middle name ideas for them?