MTG EDH/Commander General

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>>51308008
I dunno why, but this art was always my favourite.

>>51308008
>not Zorak Takes Over the Show Edition

>>51308054
Epic Experiment and Enter the Infinite. Old Battle of Wits and Chance Encounter are my fav flavors I think.

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>>51308008
This is my favorite. I love the flavor text.

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GOAT flavor text.

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Toil to Renown is one of my favorite arts of all time. Definitely my favorite of Larry MacDougall's works. Also it's from my first ever magic block and features my favorite tribe: elves.

In other news, I can't stop building BUG and BG decks. Please help.

For the guy in the last thread,
how do you not have blue suns zenith in your kruphix deck. Its the best wincon in that deck.

>>51308313
I never noticed Lorwin's elves had horns.

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>>51308008
>useless chaff

Nu-Sigarda deck. r8, h8 and comment

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sigardas-angels-and-humans/

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>>51308008
here you go
>>51308102
im trying to get a custom art of zorak for him

>>51308839
I dont think the story team at wotc noticed this. Nissa was should have been an eyeblight because she didnt have horns.

>>51309053
>implying the story team have half a brain between them

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Sorry for the blogpost

>group is upset that I only run 2 60 cards(legacy goblins and a shitty budget rg aggro modern) opposed to 7 commander decks
>our games are primarily commander
>now they're trying to convince me to split a box of aether revolt with them so I can get "good" stuff for 60 card

I just a want to play commander

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>>51309107
>tezzeret will be beaten by gideon, chandra, and the power of love where lilianas' vengeance for her lost love and powerful necromancy fails
I'm not going to disagree with you, but somebody there should fix this shit.

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>>51308008
Not sure of my absolute favorite, but Ignorant Bliss is up there for both art and flavor text.

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can a STRONGK kruphix deck be built for 60 bucks?

>>51309152
>lilianas' vengeance for her lost love
wat

Also don't the cards imply that Tezz escapes free of charges from Kaladesh?

>>51309170
Yes, it wont be very original or quirky though.

>>51309179
any lists, mein nigger?

>>51309173
Aether revolt's story is already out everywhere other than the mothership stories. Liliana is trying to revenge kill tezzeret to get back in jace's good graces because she misses the love she lost, tezzeret whoops her ass and then gideon and chandra fly in inside the heart of ghirapur, break the planar portal and beat tezzeret in a duel. He escapes to amohnket after shit talking and saying how unkillable his master bolas is, then him and dovin baan leave.
so the power of love>the power of love

>>51309152
I wish, but at this point I'm pretty sure it's entirely driven by market research.

>gaywatch are just generic monocolor mages with a few affectations based on the characters they were pre-BFZ
>plot of each set only exists to present a basic concept that everyone can grasp when they look at a few cards, and to lead up to the next set

I hope it changes soon but i'm not holding my breath.

>>51309225
*hope of ghirapur, jesus that is one generically named legendary.

>>51309225
>gideon and chandra fly in inside the heart of ghirapur, break the planar portal and beat tezzeret in a duel
Well bolocks. I was hoping from the last card in the plot series that either Bolas shows up and helps Tezz or Tezz finishes his job and fucks off to Amonkhet leaving the Gatewatch in Kaladesh.

Here's hoping Amonkhet's plot will be better who am I kidding the implied plot of Duel Terminal in the YGO cards arts is better than late MtG block plots

>playing card games for the story
>posting about it on a tunisian ice cream making image board

>>51309191
Nope, just play counters, card draw, land ramp and clones. Also invest in a dice set so you have a 10 sided die. Also the enchantments that turn things into lands because those are hilarious with clones.

>>51309272
>implying thats all we care about

C'mon, the flavor is just the icing on the cake.

>>51309150
what

>>51309257
Dark intimiations is actually a literal name, it basically means foreshadowing:the card. It represents tezzeret's post loss threats that bolas would be able to kill them all. Ajani gets spooked and goes to dominaria to get reinforcements but the gatewatch goes in because fuck logic.

>>51309324
>tfw WotC will never have the balls to make Bolas kill at least one or two of the Gatewatch before Ajani shows up with help to barely save them.
Also where the fuck is Ugin?? Shouldn't he be worried about wtf was Bolas during his time on Tarkir??

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my favorite art is very generic, but I absolutely love Bitterblossom.

I have a print of it hanging up in my house.

best Flavor Text though is original Obliterate.
"For his family, Barrin made a funeral Pyre of Tolaria"

>>51309318
I'm retarded, wanted to whine about something. Nothing special. I just hate my group

>>51309353

Rebecca Guay's art is always beautiful.

>>51309353
My LGS has a print of it in one of the walls, it's p pretty. That, that one Orzhov aura and a Greven for some reason.

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Just bought a box of Aether Revolt. Wish me luck friends.

>>51309481
fuck off randy

>>51309440
+1.
Absolutely, also best flavor of magic besides inistrad

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>>51309486

>>51309341
Ugin talked to sarkhan and knows what happened to tarkir, if anything hes plotting against bolas. You can't just headlong rush into a fight with somebody who is a master chronomancer, psionic, a deity manifestation of 3 mana types from the core of reality, a planeswalker, a necromancer, and a dragon that causes anything that physically touches him to die.

Is mirror of fate spicy for doomsday as a back-up for if someone fucks with your main pile?

>>51309257

It's pretty dumb how boring they are making MtG lore for the sake of a team of people they can market for a movie. A movie is the wrong setting for Magic anyways, what they should really do is a series on Netflix.

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>this fucking card
Well, that's nice. Craterhoof lite with energy could be nifty. Dollars to doughnuts it becomes a problem in standard.

>>51309730
Its just a basking rootwalla, it might be strong in standard but its competing against some fast and resilient decks.

>>51309771
>Basking Rootwalla
Rootwalla is good for it's 0 madness cost and pump. I'm kind of meh about this big lizard because of the GGG devotion, but I've built a few decks where it could be a one-shot machine.

Now, Chandra's Revolution is going to be some spicy tech. Destroy a creature with 4 or less toughness, then ice over a land? Sign me up.

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>>51309010

>>51309353
t. Professor

>>51309832
Green once again this block doesnt have a reason to care about colors, if you can hold off the red green decks this card is a fine finisher against aggro, it also is begging to be used with rishkars, yaheenis, or barals expertise

>>51309915
Literally as I read that, I cracked a Yahenni. Time to build monoblack boardwipes.

I'm pleasantly surprised with this set, I've got a lot of new things for a wide variety of my decks. Ghave just got a better hardened scales with Winding Constrictor. There's also a 2B instant that can give a creature indestructible, and restoration specialist is going straight into Brago flickerstax.

>>51309730
How is this Craterhoof lite? It's not even close to Craterhoof. I'd kinda agree if the ability buffed all of your creatures, but that's not even good.

>>51309489
I love OG Innistrad. How separated it felt from everything. Even the Planeswalker battle that happened in Avacyn Restored wasn't even the main focus. You still were focused on the people fighting for their lives against creatures that are practically built to kill them.

Then they bent it over and fucked it dead with SOI and EMN. I wouldn't even be mad about EMN if it had been a monster on innistrad that was driving people insane, and didn't have anything to do with Nahireeeeeeeee or Emrakul.

>>51309971
That black instant is great, you even get a chump blocker with it. Just be careful with the snake, it will make infect matches a hilarious joke for the infect player.

>>51309906
Nah, Prof switches up the art in his basement pretty often. Rotates between Lightning Bolt, Bitterblossom and a couple others.

I just love Lorwyn as a plane, even if it only rated just above Kamigawa in market research.

>>51309981
Enters or attacks anon. Assuming it sticks around one turn, or has haste, you get to swing with 7 + 2(number of creatures you control). It's not overly difficult to alpha strike, and if you're using him to alpha strike, you don't even have to sell out with your tokens to ruffle some feathers.

>>51310023
Oh I noticed the infect thing. Thank fuck it only gives one extra infect counter per counter you'd receive. I think the snake could be a staple in Meren, though you don't really NEED that many experience counters.

>>51310042
>muh phyrexia
All the market research from that time shouldn't be taken seriously. Cards from that block are still getting banned. Kamigawa and lorwyn have some of the best design. If zendikar 2, innistrad 2 or kaladesh had resembled either of those blocks there probably wouldnt have been standard bannings.

>>51310061
The infect thing is a much bigger deal than it first looks, infect decks can combo kill you on one turn with this out. If i had that line of text on a curse for 1B I'd play it in every infect deck because it's so nuts with proliferate and pingy creatures. I can already imagine the 1 wheel infektusar kill.

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>that day with a Skithiryx deck

>>51310183
Yeah, but it's obviously a very meta thing. A lot of groups never touch infect, and more still run some silly houserule for it.
I'd say it's a relatively safe inclusion in most casual circles if someone isn't playing Nekusar or Skittles.

>>51310183
I see your point. Granted, I don't play in a meta with infect outside of guaranteed combos, but it's something I should keep track of.

Did you see this Treasure Keeper thing? It looks unreal in Zur. I swear there has to be a way to play your whole deck below 3cmc if you keep sacing him and bringing him back. They've printed some very good cards at the lower rarities, though I only cracked a single fatal push in a whole box thus far with 12ish packs remaining.

>>51310239
Totally, but the card does need the giant warning label because it would suck ass to lose a game of magic because you needed to have that 2 mana 2/3

>>51310269
But, any deck that's going to use it is using it as a combo piece.

In my case, it's literally hardened scales, though worse with persist creatures. It's just going to enable Ghave to pop off at a reasonable CMC.

>>51310259
Trophy mage is insane and you should be buying your foils right now. Its odd that they have started printing good uncommons again, but there isn't anything wrong with a card that can tutor vehicles and swords

>>51310023
>>51310061
>>51310183
>>51310239
If you aren't one-shotting, you aren't playing infect correctly.

>>51310323
Oh I know, I cracked a foil trophy mage, and I'm a pretty happy camper. I've also got that archangel, a new ajani, and the new tezzeret. I bet that new ajani is going to be pricey for his superfriends synergy.

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Thoughts on this?

>>51310369
Very, very good, but contingent on later plays at a high CMC, so you wont get to use it as often as you'd like.

>>51310369
Seems a bit too overcosted to be effective.

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>Great, more shit for U/X to abuse and poop on R/W


This is why land destruction is a good thing

>>51310306
I would seriously recommend having a sideboard alternate card to replace it with, it may sound deushy but it would suck to sit down at your lgs and have to go against somebody who has an infect strategy and a good fast hand that can get around your creatures and beat your face for bonus damage. Its an infamous archetype for a reason and the damage usually comes from nowhere. Obviously if your meta has no infect enjoy the hardened snake.

>>51310348
Not every player builds decks the same way. The way I build infect is different than the way the kids at my lgs build infect. The only reason I stress the point is because inexorable tide is in all of those decks and atraxa exists.
>>51310369
Play it with hideaway lands, it looks like its fun

Repostin to get some feedback
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/skullbriar-duel-commander-1/
Am i going the right way? I included only creatures that could help grow Skullbriar, some counter based equipment and a lot of removal or thoughtseize effects to control the opponent's board and hand.

>>51310467
Any deck that can ramp into a 6 drop early, doesn't benefit immensely from spending 8 to cheat something out. Maybe in a dedicated combo deck. Even an early blightsteel can be done more reliably t3-t4.

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>>51308008
I'm so glad I own this.

Just to correct something that was said in the last thread:

Nirkana revenant is a shit card outside super weenie hut jr.

>>51310847
I have one still sitting in a hardsleeve

Only time I ever went to a FNM and they handed me one.

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Happy Inauguration Day, /edhg/!

In honor of this momentous occasion, everyone post your favorite Jeskai commander.

>>51310991
My favorite is kedruu, disciple of Sanders.

I like to play it as a randian villain, who uses socialism to destroy all that is good because it is philosophically opposed to the good.

In practise this means taxing everything and arms dealing.

>>51310968
>Another Mana Doubler in monoblack with a built in use for that mana.
>Shit
lul

>>51309053
Nissa is from Zendikar, though, isn't she?

>>51311019
"Another"

No. Cabal coffers is uncounterable, and can be used several times a turn, effectively tripling or quadrupling your mana. It also costs 2 Mana to activate instead of six, is much harder to remove, and much harder to steal.

The pump on nirkana is never relevant outside of super weenie hut jr.

>>51311049

Right, but Lorwyn elves hate everything that doesn't adhere to their personal sense of beauty, going so far as to banish those who for example lose a horn. So Nissa, given her lack of horns and hoofs, should have been seen as something to kill even if she isn't as ugly as a Boggart because she doesn't meet their ridiculously specific standards of beauty.

>>51311074
>T. Someone who has never used Nirkana Revenant

A 4/4 body that you can play early with a cabal coffers is nothing to stick your nose up at.

calling the pump useless is also grossly undervaluing it. It gets out of control quickly

There's a difference between "Not as good as Cabal Coffers" and "Shit" that you're skipping over.

>>51311347
Anon, you're an idiot.

Crypt Ghast is 4 mana. The pump is not worth 2 additional mana. Sure, it's nice if you have literally nothing else, but it's far from good.

>>51311480
I wouldnt go that far but its foolish to cram in cards like that into any old deck. On the other hand depending on the playgroup it could be a perfectly fine card, not every playgroup is playing super legacy singleton slugmatch.

>>51309996
The only thing that excited me about SOI and EMN is that if Sorin ever gets out of the wall, shit is going to be hype. But they'd probably fuck that up too.

Sorin having to kill Avacyn was legitimately sad though.

>>51311480
Crypt Ghast is also a 2/2. The extra two power and toughness plus the pump does make it good for a decent amount of black decks.
If you don't like it, that's fine. There are undoubtedly better mana doublers in black, but that doesn't make Nirkana bad. It's just more situational, and doesn't slot into every monoblack deck the way Nykthos and Cabal Coffers does.

>>51311546
>paying $20 for a situational crypt ghast, instead of just paying $2 for a crypt ghast
If it was a budget card, Nirkana Revenant would be fine. It's not, which is why so many people hate it.

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>>51311624
>this expensive card is good because it has an extra 2 power and toughness for 6cmc instead of 4cmc
>but it's also not good, just situational, and doesn't slot into every monoblack deck
>that doesn't make it bad, even though you could buy a nykthos and coffers for the price of one revenant

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>>51311664
ive noticed that the guy who posts that same reaction image is kind of a dum dum

>>51308839
They also have hooves if you didn't notice that either.

>>51311607
Fuck that who cares. I want innistradivania: symphony of the night. I want oedric, thalia and sorin to have to cut swath through innistrad to restore the w/b angel that would bring balance to the plane. Sorin could make a mini avecyn but she could be less of a planar gaurdian and more like a token he generates.

>>51311664
>20 dollars is expensive in a singleton format
If the price point is your problem, you could just say that, anon.

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>>51310991
Ruhan of the Fuck-you-more-i. smash faces first, then deny your crimes later, like a true American.

>>51311749
But why would you spend $20 on one niche card when you can buy a crypt ghast, a nykthos, and a coffers for like $22? I don't get why you guys have such a boner for that painfully mediocre card.

>>51311749
Not that guy, but 20 bucks for a bad card is a rip off, snapcasters and avacyns are in that pricerange .

>>51311793
Why not buy all of them and run them in the same deck?
You aren't limited to just running Revenant, or running the other doublers. Running all of them is an option, and one that quite a few people have taken to.

This isn't a "Coffers, Crypt Ghast, Nykthos vs Nirkana Revenant" situation. You can run all of them at once

>>51309371
but your post doesn't make sense, you say you only play 60 card when you could play commander

>>51311837
but why run revenant when you could just run a card that isn't overcosted for its effect like bubbling muck

>>51312105
>Bubbling Muck
Okay now you're just havin' me on.

>>51312164
I'm serious, you don't need that many mana doublers. If you reach like 30 mana or so you can pretty much win any game provided you have a tutor or some card draw. If you run too many doublers then you have all mana and nothing to use it on

>>51312194
Aside from, y'know, Nirkana Revenant.

>Living Plane is $100 and makes all lands 1/1 creatures for 2GG
>Nature's Revolt is 30 cents and makes all lands 2/2 creatures for 3GG

Yeah, it's a functionally better card, but a $100 difference isn't nothing. This is why I hate when decks all become the same when there are so many options if you just look.

>>51312600
NO THERE ONE OBJECT WAY TO BUILD A DECK AND ITS WITH THESE CARDS NOW SPEND 2500 ON 100 PIECES OF CARDBOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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So I decided to NOT add a partner to this deck. Always wanted to do a Dimir artifact route so I'm trying this. Plus, Silas is pretty good on his own. Was considering adding Vial Smasher for Goblin Welder and stuff but I dun wanna.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-01-17-dimir-artifacts/

Thoughts?

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What kind of mana rocks should I be rocking in mizzix? Running sol ring, thought vessel, fire diamond, Izzet signet, and commanders sphere.

Should I drop commander's sphere for Sky Diamond? Is 3 mana too much for single mana producing rocks?

>>51312656
Mizzium Transreliquat.

I fucking love that card and no one uses it.

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>>51311802
>20 bucks
>same range

Wut?

>>51312715
Oh man that's a neat card. Will try out.

>>51312656
Izzet Keyrune/Cluestone over Fire Diamond.

>>51312634
>Typed up a response
>Misclicked an embedded link
>Considering Suicide

I don't wanna type it all up again, but get Artificer's Intuition and a bunch of 1 drop stuff like Relic, Tormod's, Spellbombs, Hex Parasite, and Pithing Needle. Silas casts the artifacts you pitch and then recasts spellbombs.
get:
Scrap Trawler
Thirst for Knowledge
Thoughtcast

>>51312741
>recommending cluestone
>fucking CLUESTONE

>>51312656
shimmer myr to drop your mana rocks at instant speed.
Whir of Invention to instant speed tutor for artifact lands or mana rocks early game, alhammaret's archive in the mid game, and idk something like psychosis crawler or any artifact win condition to close out the game. I think the Mizzix deck really wants this card.

>>51312855
>recommended a mana rock that replaces it self late game when you dont need it

Cluestone is pretty good for two color decks.

>>51312858
Yeah I really like Whir of Invention. The issue with it though is that it really doesn't have a lot of good targets in Mizzix. The artifact land thing is cute though. I might want to try that out. But Whirring for rocks seems not worth it.

Archive and crawler are good but I don't think they serve what I'm looking for. They are win conditions in shit like Arjun which I wanna build but Mizzix can just force people to deck out with how much mana she can produce with seething song, high tide, and a reiterate with some cards that make target player draw.

Speaking of Arjun anyone wanna post some lists?

>tfw no g/r circus ringleader planeswalker travelling the multiverse for more animals to tame and more shows to put on

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>Combo player's face when making all of your lands into creatures, boundless realming, Avenger of Zendikar, and then throwing down Craterhoof to kill the entire table.
BIG BOYZ

>>51312900
you mean a strictly worse commander's sphere?

>>51313148
Well considering you can run commander's sphere AND a cluestone, I don't see the problem anon. In my opinion it's better than a Talisman and a Keyrune.

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What's your playgroups opinion on infinite combo shit? Voltron or things like >>51313115 aside. I mean more like my friend who played his Gitrog for the first time and he dredged out his entire deck and killed everyone using some creature or some shit and it took 3 minutes to finish and everyone just sat their feeling dumb.

My playgroup is on the edge about me playing Armageddon or Worldslayer in my Avacyn deck.

>>51313363
dude I need that fucking custom art
i am crying

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>>51313363
>Avacyn deck.
My nigga.

Anyway, my playgroup hates infinite combo. And also control. And pillowfort. And land destruction.

So it's safe to say my Avacyn deck is hated, as well.

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>>51313795
I've been slowly getting foils for my Avacyn deck. its almost all foiled out aside from lands which I dont really care about.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/generic-avacyn-edh/
r8 no h8

How do I make a Rashmi deck more interesting than just a bit of ramp and UG good stuff?

>>51313858
Upvoted. Mine is nowhere near as pretty as yours and focuses more on boardwipes than on angels, but it's still my pet deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/avacyns-angels-2016/

>>51314102
swap rashmi with experiment kraj, rashmi is pretty much just pure goodstuff.

>>51314102
Slap all scrying and 0-mana/suspend cards possible in it

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Is there a combo that works with this guy apart from the storm or infinite draw ones
I was looking for something that triggers whenever I search or shuffle but I dont think anything exists

>>51314342
Possibility Storm

>>51314342
i've always wanted to show up to some random LGS at EDH night with him
show everyone my commander, and just voltron the fuck out of him and see how much butthurt I can collect

Never built my own EDH deck, so I figured mono black was hard to fuck up. Someone tell me if this is okay

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/551504#online

Where has slobad been all my life

>>51314102
Run a subtheme entirely unrelated to Rashmi herself, especially ones not intrinsically linked to the cards themselves, ala art tribal decks
Run an intentionally bad subtheme, like running all the trains
Run as many Phyrexian-themed and Eldrazi-themed cards as possible, to represent interplanar horrors. Get the jump on Return to Kaladesh.
Use as much Manifest as possible, some morph stuff on top of it

>>51314657
I guess I'm bad, but I don't really see the strength of Slobad.

I mean, how often do you need the indestructibility? Is it just because he's a great sac outlet?

>>51314857
>Is it just because he's a great sac outlet?

Yes.

>>51312058
Read it again. I said I get shit for having only owning 2 60 cards opposed to me having 7 commander decks.

>>51311626
I play both. And Doubling Cube, and Caged Sun and Lens and I'm thinking about Gauntlet of Power. I can't get enough mana.

What I don't run however is Magus of the Coffers.

>>51313115
Shit like that is why I love Angry Omnath.
>have amulet of vigor out
>new frontiers into boundless realms
>throw down Titania and sac half my lands
>someone fogs and thinks that they are safe from my onslaught
>sac the rest of my lands and blasphemous act and kill everyone with the bolts.

>>51314926
Do those effects stack?

>>51314965
Yes.

>>51314972
Holy shit

>>51314926
>tfw i want to do this with kruphix
>tfw no money

>>51314990
I actually felt like Doubling Cube was kind of win-more in Kruphix desu.

Breyabros, what's the verdict on Mechanized Production and Whir of Invention? Scrap Trawler looks really good to me too, so I'm definitely going to test that.

>>51315126
Also, thoughts on Sly Requisitioner? I don't play standard so idk how good improvise is in constructed formats, but the ability to get extra value out of Breya's (nontoken) sacs seems cool.

>>51315126
Mechanized production simply isn't chord of calling due to improvise not being able to pay colored mana, unlike convoke. Otherwise, breya would immediately provide the triple blue required.
I'm going to run mechanized production, but I'm also running efficient construction and hope of ghirapur because this is thopter tribal.

>>51315356
I meant whir of invention at the beginning

>>51310061
Sure, but it's closer to Inferno Titan than Craterhoof and it's worse that iTitan anyway. The guy is nothing but a self-buffing beefsteak, it even doesn't have haste. You might as well run Terra Stomper

>>51308306
needs a cowboy bebop alter

Posting again because I value your opinion ;)
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/551504#online

What's some good tech for horobi? Black cards that can target lots of stuff.

>>51308306
would've been hilarious if printed in standard. it murders walkers right?

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>>51315637
Touch of Darkness.

>>51315710
Jezus that's disgusting, I love it. Also, if I use cauldron of souls, they don't get persist before dying right?

>>51315766
They don't get Persist. They get targeted, and then destroyed before it resolves.

>>51314342
The usual combo is nether void + cast something. Card gets countered, goes to the graveyard, then his trigger resolves and you get the artifact back.

>>51313363
As long as it isn't on, like, turn 3, and isn't completely immune to being countered, my playgroup approves of it just because some people won't have fun unless playing solitaire. But also, we have at least two guys myself being one who bring a deck of, like 5o-8o% counterspells who pretty much just exist in a game as damage control players.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-a-r-k-f-a-n-t-a-s-y/

I made some changes since my update. I'm probably going to order some stuff tonight like the last two mana doublers. Any other things I should pick up while I'm shopping?

>>51314936
Angry Omnath is easily my favorite deck to play for this kind of shit. Hitting someone at 90 life with 30 lightning bolts is fucking awesome.

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Thinking about making a RG fight club deck starring Stangg as Edward Norton and Stangg Twin as Brad Pitt

How much dredge should I be running in gitrog? Right now I only have life from the loam and drakmor salvage

>>51317616
you know in your heart anon as a git gud frog player you run just about every dredge create that isnt complete shit and just keep dredging those creatures through discard outlets.

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>>51308008
>favorite flavor text
This, obviously.

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>>51308008
This mother fucker, best card for flavour+art. I have a foil one and it is my favourite card ever printed

>>51317747
Too bad he can't be a commander.

>>51317695
So only get grave troll then?

>>51313363
My group just all scoop if we go infinite. We don't mind it cause we can just get another round in. One guy in the group absolutrly hates it. He gets really really upset. Mind you he's kinda slow at the game so he takes like 5 minute turns, so we don't listen to his bitching.

>>51315637
Infernal Harvest
Sacred Armory
Baton of Morale
Retribution of the Ancients
Hex Parasite

Also Sentinel and Oasis are fun purely for the jank factor.

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Any suggestions for a deck based around her? MTG has some really nice flavor and art surrounding Faeries.

>Sundering Titan is banned but better, more effecient MLD isn't.
I'll never understand the rules committee. It doesn't even hit non basics

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>>51318209

>>51318223
Having a big dumb effect on a big dumb artifact be banned isn't suddenly justified because there's a pseudo combo with it. A bunch of dumbass shit is unbanned that allows for much worse shit to go down than Feldon.

They just throw shit at a dartboard. You can't pretend Feldon's Reanimator isn't okay when you let gaea's cradle chill out.

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>>51308008
Favorite art

>>51313363
Depends on the combo, combats are seen as fair since they can be prepared for while ones such Gitrog until you get Mike & Trike in one turn are frowned upon because unless we shit on their "fun" we don't have any fun.

The main thing my group complains about is how I spend money on my decks (woohoo disposable income) making them anywhere between $500 and $1500 each. Also Consecrated Sphinx


My LGs tournament "playgroup" doesn't get too salty about infinite as long as you don't do it to win before everyone has at least had their natural turn six. (You lost points if you kill someone before then)

>>51312634
Partnering Silas with Ravos is pretty good for Esper artifact goodstuff

>>51318261
Its the same reason sylvan primordial is banned. unless someone is packing a exile effect right as its cast, the game turns into who can reanimate it/ clone it the most. All that "worse shit" usually ends the game, where as this just turns games into boring slogs.

>>51314342
Cards to run are ones such as Bribery, the new enchantment that makes thopters whenever you cast an artfiact, and other cards that let you cast your opponents artifacts.
Minds Dilation also comes to mind.

>>51317800
Ask your playgroup if they are ok with you making a deck using it, you would be surprised what some people would be ok with.

My playgroup lets me play Rashmi and Jori En as partners sometimes.

>>51318209
>It doesn't even hit non basics
It can, actually.

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>>51308008

Favorite art,that's easy

>>51315356
>thopter tribal
My nigga. Got a deck like that as well. Wanna share a link? Mine is so far full casual friendly non tutor non combo, but I'm always open to new ideas

>>51319313
> build slobad with some token generators as mana sinks and sac fodder for indestructibility to my more important artifacts
> the deck makes WAY too many thopters.
>wayyyy too many thopters

And I'm putting in a hangarback now, we thopter tribal now

>doing some brewing on edhrec
>"wow city of solitude is nice but not sure it's worth 8 bucks, i wonder how much it is in europe where i live"
>fucking 1 euro

what the fuck is with america and their card prices

damn it feels good to be yuropoor

>>51319341
i don't think there's such a thing as too many tokens for mono-red, you have fantastic tools to use that to your advantage

grenzo havoc raiser, shared animosity, burn at the stake, battle hymn, purphoros the list goes on

>>51314921
are they literally retarded?

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If a card is two colors like green and white, can I put it in a deck that only shares one color? Like if I had a green red deck could I put this card in or does my commander need both colors?

>>51319732
needs both colors

>>51319732
Currently hybrid mana cards can only be put in decks with all of their colors so your commander would need to be at least WG with your example.

>>51319478
plus the new polymorph effects like the undaunted one or indomitable creativity

So I was at FNM Draft yesterday and since the store does rare repicks and I placed third, I came home with some cool new cards. Noxious Gearhulk, Panharmonicon, Whir of Invention and Dark Intimations. Tell me of cool stories and interactions you've had with those cards, /edh/, I want some inspiration. The part where whir gets artifact lands is pretty sweet for example.

>>51316717
Why no Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito?

Why is it whenever someone is getting the rules completely wrong, it's always a level 2 judge?

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>at LGS yesterday
>OG Omnath and me (Doran) facing of against Voltron Derevi
>he just took out Queen Marchesa player with his 12 power double-striking Derevi and played Medomai
>my turn, don't draw a Wrath
>well fuck, only thing I can do is Path Medomai since Derevi has Boots, so at least one of us can live for one more turn
>cast Path on Medomai
>gets Pact of Negation-ed
>fuck me, mono-G player's not gonna have a Wrath here
>he has something else
>it's Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
>on one of Derevi's only two blue sources
Daily reminder to always play some land hate.

>>51320003
Maybe because they're proud of themselves for reaching that level and they don't bother to study the mechanics or anything any more.
What happened?

>>51320008
i've read this story 3 times now and i just dont get it

are you being sarcastic or something

how would destroying a land help you at all there

>>51320036
check pact of negation

>>51320052
oh right oops that didnt register for me at all

So I pulled a Chandra, Lightning Runner, Aetherwind Basker, Lathnu Hellion, and Inspiring Vantage at my booster draft for $15. How was your FNM?

>>51320093

Bad. I couldn't go. I fell asleep after work and just woke up =(

>>51320093
Terrible. Also pulled a Lightning Runner, but it's actually pretty bad in limited. Second Pack had a Walking Ballista which I was much happier about, but it didn't save my deck. Generally had a pretty bad deck, since my right neighbor drafted some unholy 5 color abomination which left me with a mess of signals and the strongest card of every color always having been picked away.

>>51320093

Maybe today will be better. Going to run Ghave and Thrax tonight with my buddy in 2HG

>>51319756
>>51319763
Still think this is super silly.

>>51320242

I mean, the base of the format is commander colors so I'm not sure why you find this silly. When you have commanders like Tasigur, it should make perfect sense.

Or you are new to the format.

A guy told me to try tiny leaders and the only fucking sword I own is the one banned.

Why can't everybody play EDH

>>51320093
Opened a Quicksmith Spy p1p1, a Quicksmith Rebel p2p1. Kaladesh Booster was awesome: opened Dovin Baan, got passed a Spirebluff Canal p2 and a Pia Nalaar p3. End up going 2-1 with UR articifers.

>>51320448
Tiny leaders is dead, do not shell out for a deck.

>>51320531

Sad =(

>>51320492

And you won? I hope so

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>>51320676
No, 2nd. Lost in the finals to a guy with the 1 mana vehicle + Aura Modification meme. He had two copies of both.

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>>51320800

I guess its better than the combo

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>>51320492
>>51320676
>>51320800

I have to cut 11 cards, what do?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-01-17-world-war-z/

>>51315643
yes

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Who do you think the most powerful mono-coloured generals are for each colour?

I'd say Yisan for green and either Purphoros or Kiki-Jiki for red but I'm not sure on the rest. Maybe mono black Sidisi.

>>51321583
I think Mikaeus is probably the most powerful mono black commander just for the combo potential he has.

>>51321699
i'm not really into ~competitive edh~ but i don't think mikaeus is good for it at all. combos cost too much, too easy to disrupt, etc. i think monoblack wins most easily with doomsday combos and stuff, so sidisi is an obvious number 1 choice since you can tutor for it if you can't mulligan yourself into having doomsday or a cheap tutor

>>51321312
probably just cut a lot of the bad zombos like soulless one and zombie trailblazer.

just a word of warning: zombie tribals are pretty weak. i can tell that your deck is going to be a pretty slow and weak deck. it doesn't take too much advantage of monoblack's strengths, which is its great mana doublers, draw and reanimation. instead it tries to be a face smashing zombie tribal, which is something monoblack doesn't cater to very well.

honestly, if you want to make a zombie tribal, i recommend focusing a lot more on the tokens. maybe even go golgari for token doublers and stuff like beastmaster's ascension. zombie lords are just kind of meh, zombie synergy like Gempalm Polluter kind of sucks, etc.

with a golgari deck, you'd have access to better sac outlets, better token support, better trample enablers, list goes on

>>51321916
Oh ok, so if i want a mono-B commander that plays by the color's strenghts what should i play? I really like the idea of playing big "fuck you" spells with X in their cost and have more mana than i'll ever need.

>>51322193
Exsanguinate
Profane command
Traditional mono black big mana cards

Spicy tech: temporal extorting, dash hopes, withering boon

>>51313858
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-10-16-durdle/
My Dude.

>>51322193
I think Sheoldred might be the "purest" Mono-B general when it comes to representing the color identity and doing something splashy with all that mana you got. Personally, I'm fond of Kagemaro. Mono-B Control 4-life.

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>>51322193
>I really like the idea of playing big "fuck you" spells with X in their cost and have more mana than i'll ever need.

?

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I'm building pic related and have trouble cutting cards.
Any suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-05-16-hanna/

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>>51322450
>MAGA
YES

What would be a good commander or color combination for hybrid mana tribal?

>>51322494
What is Eye of Singularity for? Hosing Rite of Replication or something? Seems very specific to me, and antisynergistic with Dance of Many to boot.
Dance of Many seems like a worse Clone. Upkeep costs generally suck.
Consulate Crackdown seems mediocre. They can remove it and get all their shit back at once, which is a swing play I don't think you want to see.
You have a lot of O Ring effects. You'll want to cut a few.
What is Pyxis of Pandemonium in here for?
Windborn Muse is excessive if you already have Propaganda, Sphere of Safety, Ghostly Prison, etc., and it's worse than Prison in the first place because it's easier to remove (and in your case) it's not an enchantment.
Ardent Plea doesn't seem that good: as far as I can see your deck has few ways to take advantage of the Cascade or the Exalted ability.
Aether Spellbomb seems very weak to be spending recursion on. Ditto for Font of Fortunes and quite a few of these, honestly. Just bear in mind that drawing four cards with Font of Fortunes taps Hanna and costs (in total, assuming you already had Hanna on the field) 1U to cast, 1U to activate, 1WU (tap Hanna) to return it to hand, and then 2UU to cast and activate it again. Even if you spread that out over a couple of turns, that's still 5WUUUU to draw a measly four cards.

Meanwhile, why are Sigil of the Empty Throne and Luminarch Ascension in your "Maybeboard"? For heaven's sakes aren't those your win conditions? And if you're even considering running Font of Fortunes and Aether Spellbomb, why in God's name don't you have a Mesa Enchantress or a Kor Spiritdancer? The former is a dollar rare. Pick one of those up ASAP.

>>51315643
All card are printed in standard anon.

Any interesting tech for Rishkar? Got a foil version I want to build a deck for.

>>51315643
It was originally printed in darksteel, that was before walkers to my understanding( started playing with new phyrexia ) but it was standard legal at one point.

>>51322797
No they aren't.
Baleful Strix, True Name Nemesis, the fucking precon commanders, Leovold, Selvala, Marchesa.

Ya ain't right.

>>51322797
Sealed decks, anthologies, from the vault, and special sets like conspiracy and modern/eternal masters are not

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Alright fellas. Best cards to ensure T3 Sidisi, just because ramp is good and ramping smart is better. Creature, 2 mana or less, ideally providing any color. Here's what I've got so far:
>Sakura-Tribe Elder
>BoP
>Utopia Tree
>Sylvan Caryatid
>Urborg Elf
>That energy chick from Kaladesh
>That Ramsay Bolton looking Ally with Haste
Did I miss any egregious ones?

>>51322971
Birds of paradise

>>51322971
Elvish Mystic,Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves

>>51323038
Anon he already listed that.

>>51322971
Quirion Explorer and Sylvok Explorer. Voyaging Satyr is also great, although it won't fix your mana as well.

>>51323054
Oh right I wasn't thibking of that when I saw rhe acronym.

>>51322792
Eye of singularity hoses pretty much all token strategies.
I use dance of many because its a clone I can recur more easily.

I agree with most of your other suggestions.
Thanks!

>>51323050
only give green, but usable. thanks
>>51323065
Sweet! That would be enough in total.

>>51322450
How do you build Maga? Just lots of big mana, and some stuff to make sure he can't be blocked when you swing in with a 30/30 maga?

The thing I hate most about commanders with huge mana cost is feelbad it is when you get countered (my meta has way too much blue).

If only cavern of souls wasn't fifty bucks.

>>51323518
if you're in a meta with a lot of blue, you might find gonti to be useful. you can steal their counterspells and other degenerate simic goodstuff

>>51323547
I don't really want to build gonti though. I am kinda interested in Maga though. Maybe Maga with a small etb subtheme? What are good black creatures to blink besides gonti, massacre wurm and frave titan? What are good cards in black to support blinking strategies, besides conjurer's closet and panharmonicon.

>>51317853
Sounds like a guy in our group named Jesse

>>51323610
Maga is a shitty blink target. If you already want to go with that theme Gonti's honestly your best shot.

>>51323610
The new Massacre Wurm demon from Kaladesh for starters.

>>51323661
A sub theme doesn't need to synergize well with the commander in my opinion. Also, I think the deck would be boring if it was just Maga. And I like swapping my commanders to switch things up.

>>51323712
Having a piece of the engine on command certainly helps

>>51323769
That's why I'm calling it a sub-theme, and not a main theme. The main theme would just be BIG BLACK mana and stuff to make sure Maga can swing. But if that would just be it then the list would look too much like goodstuff I think.

>>51323807
Good stuff is literally what mono black edh is. You can add flavor and spicy tech, but every deck comes down to a core of big mana + way to abuse big mana all in one turn, or several turns if you go unanswered. For example a guy at my LGS plays mono black with a vampire subtheme, but the vampires are never why he wins, they just attempt to accelerate the game. Also maga targets one player iirc wich is mediocre af in EDH. In the end all black decks are the same 75~ish cards filling up the rest with commander of choice + tech cards

>>51323959
I guess. But that's exactly why I want to add a subtheme, to have at least a semblance of originality in there.

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>>51323959
>Good stuff is literally what mono black edh is.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>51323959
Doesn't like every reanimator deck have an etb sub theme?

>>51324011
>vampires
>zombies
>demons
>gravepact
>recursion

And you are going to overlap with 3 of these.

Which Planechase 2012 deck can be converted into a cheap, sub-20 buck Commander deck?

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>>51323959
>Also maga targets one player
This, Strionic Resonator and Rings of Brightheart can fix this

>>51324264
Vela ninjas and bounce.

>>51324264
The most expensive cards of a Vela deck are mostly already in that deck. 20 bucks for a Commander is still pretty tough, though. We're talking 100 cards here after all.

>>51324243
>no
>no
>no
>no
>yes, because that's what black is best at

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Favorite art? Nothing beats the old voltaic key. Opens the doors to Johnny paradise.

>>51324418
Bitterblossom, easy.

>>51321583
I would say Azami for monoblue, but there are a lot of strong options. I would agree with Purph for monored. Black there are too many strong ones to truly name a "best" commander for the color, there are several fantastic options. I don't know enough about mono white and mono green to give an educated answer. Colorless would be Kozilek, Great Distortion by a mile.

>>51324264
if you wanna build a cool 20 dollar deck, I would look at Bruna, Light of Alabaster. Auras are generally bad and thus even the powerful ones are shockingly cheap. It's a pretty fun deck and I think about as far out as you can get from standard budget brews for the price.

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>>51309458
Gift of Orzhova

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>>51309458

Kev Walker does some great art.

>>51324264
Just do Edric Flying Men. Ingenious thief for secret tech

I have finally bothered to update my decklist on tapped out. I really love my deck and think I'm nearing the completion stage of building. I've done a lot of edits and play testing. Could y'all please check it out and see if it has any obvious holes (besides lacking fetches). I'm really in love with deck and am super proud since it is the first edhdeck I built from scratch. I think the only things I'd want to put in are Merciless Eviction and Sorin, Grim Nemesis but idk if they're worth it since that'll drive up the avg cmc a bit. I also need to do some shuffling around on the manabase since it is no longer in proportion. Also any secret tech/thoughts would be appreciated.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-marcheezys-super-prison/

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>>51324418
I always liked Regal Force.

>>51325065
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-marcheezys-super-prison/
Only glaring thing I see is mana tithe. Yes, I love the card, and yes, it is hilarious, but it just underperforms in general due to the amount of ramp going around in EDH. Terminate could also be replaced for swords to plowshares; the way I see it in black white there is no reason to not have all of your spot removal be exile. it doesnt make a huge difference, but its really helpful against reanimator decks and gives you more outs to indestructable.

In general I am not a fan of tajic. even though you have tokens for days with queen marchesa (long may she reign), I still dont think an indestuctable beater that makes you swing in with two other dudes is worth the slot. If you are concerned about grabbing back your crown, I would replace him with Nether Traitor. Haste, unblockable, and it recurs itself.

Queen Marchesa (long may she reign) as a deck often generates a ton of tokens, so I would look into a sac outlet, and if you have the slots, a sacrifice engine. ashnod's altar at the very least fuels huge debt to the deathless, exanguinates, and martial coups.

Thats all I got.

>>51325260
That nether traitor is bad ass! Thanks for the tech. It's rough cutting Tajiic he's a bit of a pet card but it's a pretty consistent criticism of the deck.

Could you explain to me how Swords is better than terminate. I know it is Exile for half the mana but this deck still has to beat face a lot and I don't feel comfortable giving my opponent life.

Thanks for the advice man. That was all really helpful.

What's some good blink tech in mono black, besides conjurer's closet and panharmonicon?

>>51325531
It's exile for half the mana.

It's the best single target removal spell in the entire game.

If that doesn't explain it all then nothing can.

>>51325588
I think path is better since it doesn't them life. I have trouble accepting that its okay to give your opponent life.

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>>51325617
>comparing life to giving someone an additional land

And fetchlands / shocks suck because they lose you life, why would you ever play them over these babies?

>>51325531
most of the time terminate will get the job done just fine, but when it doesnt, swords can and it will make a huge difference.

if you are trying to deal with an indestructible threat, terminate simply cant answer that and you are out of luck.

If you are facing a reanimator deck such as meren, terminate can only put it down once, but swords only needs to put it down once for good.

If you are concerned about the life aspect, don't be. your opponent will often only gain at most 5-7 life, and if you are destroying the creature to get in that will quickly be rectified.

If you still aren't convinced, next time you play EDH and have to use spot removal, ask yourself "would I rather have this card exiled? Do I need this extra mana? Would the lifegain have mattered?"

Whats a good FUCK EVERYONE'S SHIT But not mine deck that isn't stax?

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>>51325658
Actually, Refuges come in tapped. Shocks and Fetches don't.
A more accurate comparison would be pic related -- which, if there were a full cycle, WOULD be a pretty serious question, e.g., playing against a burn deck would make lands like these much preferable to shocks.

>>51325531
Protection vs Black/Red is a lot more common than Protection vs White

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>>51325737
>but not mine
No, anon. we must embrace our pain and use it as fuel for our journey.

>>51325658
Fetches and shocks are fine because I'm paying life to get access to 2 colors instantly instead of waiting. They help ensure you are always on tempo.

The problem I am presenting is that the deck has an aggressive streak and often time i find myself in the aggro race. When that happens I don't want to do anything that will that could shift the race in their favor (I.e. giving them an extra turn worth of life). Path gives them a land but that land is more like to mean nothing in my race to beat face.

Next if I path a 120/120 Kalonian Hydra I've removed a very real threat in exchange for a basic land land. If I sword that same Hydra I probably just lost myself game.

Third point is if for some god awful reason the I'm mana screwed I can always path a token for a basic I need or color fixing where as I can never meaningfully flip swords on myself to gain need life because I'll be just straight 2:1ing myself on a beatstick big enough for the life gain to matter and costing me the game that way. Or If I swords one of my 1/1 tokens I pretty much just wasted a card for a paltry 1 life.

Also you could be less of an asshole.

>>51325692
Thank you. This was a really nice answer

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>>51324418
I really like the colors, and it's even better in foil. Makes me wanna play a mono blue deck only to play a bunch fo these.

>>51325750
you have really missed the point

>>51325816
Swords to Plowshares is the best removal in the game

Lifegain is one of the weakest elements to winning a game.

Life is a resource, and exiling their huge creature for 1 mana is the best thing you can do in terms of removal.

I regularly Swords a 20/20 Marit Lage and win. Life is just another number you leverage.

>>51315637
Fated Return

>>51326016
If we're arguing Terminate vs. Swords, the answer is obvious. If we're arguing Swords to Path, I agree that the difference is slight and situational at best.

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What's a good commander to convert my Niv Mizzet into? I don't play the deck anymore since wheeling into a curiosity is boring as shit.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saskia-the-token-mama/

Been playing Saskia recently and it's been working pretty well, but I'd like to ask for feedback. White, I feel might be a bit too dominant a color, and I was thinking of trying to equalize it a bit, as well as making the Mana base cleaner. Obviously shocks are first up, but any cuts and additions you can see to this token strategy?

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IF YOU PLAY TASIGUR YOU ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH. HURR HURR CYCLONIC RIFT IM SO CLEVER, OH AN I CAN GET IT BACK EASILY CAUSE I'M SULTAI HEHE KEK XD I'M SO SMART. PIC RELATED

>>51325816
And if your opponent is missing a certain color mana but has a hufe threat like sheoldred, you'd rather swords it than path it. Both have situations where they're superior, although I do agree that path is often preferable in commander.

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>>51326154
Drop the curiosity, scrub.

Win without it like a real man.

>>51326209
Show me on the doll where Banana man and his Graveyard Band fucked you braindead

>>51326258
favorite foil?

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>>51326305
It's probably the lands.

>>51326258
>Win without it like a real man.
So no lab man either then?

Jokes aside, I think I just want to convert to a different commander. Niv just feels so linear. The only interaction I enjoyed while playing him was Willbreaker.

>>51326434
I've actually taken out the Lab Maniac since I took that picture, so I agree.

>>51308972
He doesn't work on the OP card, mate.

>>51326154
Jori En

>>51321583
White is easily Yosei, the Morning Star

>>51323518
If you build Maga right, all you need to do to take someone out is to resolve him. Not just big mana, HUGE mana, aim for infinite mana in as many ways as you can.

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Building this guy. What are some star cards? also if I use Valroz to scavenge skullbriar from my graveyard will he still put counters equal to his power plus whatever counters were on him or just 1?

>>51326476
thread topic, friendo

Maga needs a trump alter

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>>51324418
Always been a bit partial to Treacherous Urge.

>>51326631
don't know a lot about it, but Reyhan seems to be pretty cool with that commander

>>51326723
Yeah she seems really good. Have here in but I haven't finished the deck yet so haven't tested it

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>decide not to spend more money on magic
>friend surprises me with a stack of cards for a Doran deck I use on cockatrice
>go to order ~20 missing cards
>while ordering decide to give a mini-upgrade to the mana base of a different deck
>it's a treefolk deck, need brown dragon shields of course
>spontaneously splurge on a nice wooden deckbox

fuck

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Anyone else excited for the return of their Master and the might of Grixis?

>>51327103
Fuck yes I am!
I have a Foiled out Bolas deck and everything and really want some flavoursome foils from that set.

>>51326927
pretty nice wooden deckbox though.

Got something in a similar vein

>go on MCM to order a few new Aether Revolt staples for EDH (a few cheap foils, Whir of Invention, trophy mage, efficient construction, treasure keeper, universal solvent, scrap trawler (like $0.5 to $1.5 each, whir was $4)
>was always tempted to make puresteel equipment storm for modern, now with Sram it might become something other than super jank
>decide to add 4 puresteel paladins to the cart
>check up a decklist to see what other good things I might be missing and seem hard to find
>Retract and Paradise Mantle fit the bill
>add an order of 4 of each of those too

>check mtgstocks like the proper magic junkie I am
>Puresteel jumped 100% in price
>"I was kinda expecting that, glad I beat the speculation buyout"
>two days later
>Retract jumps 300%

fucking dodged a bullet there, all that's missing is a Paradise Mantle buyout.

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>>51327146
See, I was hoping for that too and then somewhere in the world a finger on a monkey's paw curled and I opened two of pic related at pre release.

So how long until paradox engine is banned

>>51321583
>Yisan
>Purphoros
>Azami
>8.5t
>Sidisi

>>51327372
My playgroup "banned" it two minutes after the spoiler came out, we're not touching it.

My Magic lore knowledge is poor, is there anything else out there similar to the Eldrazi that are dangerous to the multiverse?

And was the problem/fear of killing Eldrazi? Would it have just drawn the attention of all Eldrazi?

>>51315637

Cauldron of Souls

>>51327389
Azami is outdated now.

Teferi and Dagsson are the mono blue decks in "Comp EDH".

In a more general commander playgroup then Azami is stronger though, more goodstuff and less all in lockdown.

>>51326631
Ordeal of Nylea

>>51327414

It wasn't really explained but the theory is that perhaps the eldrazi perform some kind of multiverse maintenance by deleting planes here and there. So possible problems caused by them dying:

>too many planes in the multiverse, and not enough "room" for them somehow
>lots of nasty destructive planes like phyrexia are out there in the multiverse somewhere, and perhaps their destructive nature attracts the eldrazi, so without the eldrazi, fucked up planes will proliferate in the multiverse

>>51326434
Just play the other Niv. He's worse, but it's a change of pace without changing the deck too much.

>>51327447

I feel like dagsson is more outdated than Azami, but teferi is the most popular competitive mono blue deck now

>>51326598
How would you win by resolving him once in a multiplayer game? Sacrificing him and doing it again I can see, but that's more than once.

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>>51327241
Fuck these mtgfiance faggots and their buyouts so much, I'm tired of all pieces for a deck I'm trying to make doubling in price by the time I've saved up for it. They make trying to make a strong deck on a poorfag's budget so more much difficult then it has too. I wish wotc would overprint there precious ground they hoard into the ground

>>51327545
Would Paradox Engine push Dagsson? Seems like you'd be able to combo out pretty quick tutoring for it.

>>51327403

Playgroup ban is cool but I like to play cockatrice occasionally and it would help if shit-eating Sheldon would make a reasonable ban for once

>>51327414
The big baddies of the multiverse are as following:

Nicol Bolas
Phyrexia
The Eldrazi
Slivers

The fear was that the Eldrazi were necessary, that their planar destruction served a greater purpose that they couldn't comprehend. Some theorized that they are the recycling unit of the multiverse, they come to planes that are starting to fall apart due to age, tear it into its base pieces and allow for new planes to rise from the ashes.
So if we just kill the Eldrazi completely, what if we regret it down the line? What if you doomed the universe?

The next baddie we are visiting is Nicol Bolas, he is basically just your average super powerful evil wizard bad guy that wants to gain absolute power at any cost. Except give him the power to traverse planes and live for fucking ever so his plans literally span millenia.

My personal favorite is Phyrexia. Too much to say about them really, they have a shitload of lore. Basically they want to spread the wonders that is phyresis to the rest of the multiverse, which involves tearing people apart and reassembling them in their true and proper form. Bio-mechanical horror.

Then there's slivers, the borg or tyranids of the MtG universe. Can assimilate any abilities into their own, and when they do so the entire hivemind instantly adapts those abilities. Grow at an alarming rate. Although they haven't shown up in recent history so WotC seems to just be ignoring them for the moment.

>>51326543
How does Jori En play out? She seems a little underwhelming, although that promo looks amazing. Got a list to inspire me?

>>51327624

It's good with arcum but it's just as good with Azami honestly

The card is very centralizing, it's going to make artifact mana the only viable tactic, every deck will need mana crypt, mana vault, and so on and so on to compete

>>51326154
Mizzix. Bumping an X spell up by the number of experience counters you have can make a huge difference and lead to very explosive plays.

Man, I hate having to pay planeswalker tax on even the shittiest ones. How the fuck is Chandra Ablaze still 7+ bucks?

>>51327593
Panharminicon and stionic resonator, but that's getting into magical christmasland teritory.

>>51327711
>still
It was like $3-4 for ages, now the card is climbing in value due to age.

>>51321583
Who do you think the most FUN mono-coloured generals are for each colour?

My bets are on Gonti, Thada, Feldon, and Sekki. I fucking hate monowhite in commander.

>>51327821
Gonti, Braids, Feldon, Selvala and Sram

>>51327643
>>51327517
Thanks guys, good to know this stuff.

Is there anyone else out there like Nicol Bolas that can tap a whole planet for mana and shatter it like him?

I'm the only one of my friends without a tribal edh deck, and I want to fix that. All of them like to run large creatures (dragons angels or eldrazi to be specific) so I figured I should mix it up and make a tribal of tiny but infuriating things. The problem is I fucking despise elves. What else could I fit into this category? Bonus points for lots of colors

>>51327643
>Then there's slivers, the borg or tyranids of the MtG universe.
But the Phyrexians are the borg of the MtG Universe. The Borg assimilate individuals, which Phyrexia does by "compleating" them, while slivers just copy them.

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>>51327856

>>51327856
Grenzo goblins would be pretty infuriating

>>51327853
That's exactly how the gatewatch defeated ulamog and kozilek on Zendikar, tapping into the plane to fuel their spell. Although they obviously didn't use that power to destroy it, but to save it.

Where did you read that Nicol Bolas can tap into a whole plane for mana though? I don't doubt it, but it is most likely a result of him cultivating that planet for thousands of years.

>>51327907
It's the whole Shards of Alara block story.

Nicol Bolas sensed that he lost the immortality in his spark during the mending and immediately stopped at Alara and tapped it so hard it blew up.

>>51327643
>Slivers
>Evil
They just reproduce and evolve like crazy.

You forgot the Raven Man

>>51326598
If you don't mind, besides crypt ghast, norkana revenant, coffers, magus of the coffers, doubling cube, gauntlet of power, planar lense, nykthos and caged sun, what are some other good mono black mana doublers?

>>51327856
>many colors
>tiny but infuriating