Tell me /tg/, what do you think of Chaos Dwarfs?

they look fucking retarded.

>>51295637
When Khorne and Tzeentch get along, they masquerade as a single deity known as Armok. That is all I have to say on the matter.

I don't know much about them, but I do know that we need more dark or evil dwarves.

>>51295637
They look really cool.

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>>51295650

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>>51295637
Love the evil persian-babylonian look they have. Zharr-Naggrund is also an perfect evil name.

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>tfw you will never see Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Ganon-Dorf

DO GW have a evil counterpart for every race?

>>51298504
Not for lizardmen, Bretonnia or Empire.

Anyone who says that Chaos is the counterpart to Bretonnia and the Empire is wrong since Chaos is all about savage anarchical social-darwinism while Bretonnia and especially the Empire is all about civilisation.

>>51298504
Daemons?

>>51298810
Beastmen are the counterpart of the Empire while Brettonia is its own counterpart.

>>51297932
That's a ganon-duergar and you know it

>>51298863
Beastmen are the opposite to the Empire, not its evil counterpart.

>>51295637
A cool idea that wasn't given enough love before Fantasy died.

Lost and the Damned is in the same boat.

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>>51298951
>tfw you thought of the game before the army
>tfw you miss Johnny

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>>51298908
It's a Daemon Prince

>>51297932
>7 pointed star

NURGLE

>>51298951
Unlike Brets they still exist in the setting. They just aren't getting any attention. All i wanted to do was learn more about Hashut.

>>51298810
>Chaos
>social-darwinism
Chaos is fucking chaotic. That's it.
Not some weird stuff from people actually thinking "survival of the fittest" meant "the strongest".

I've only learned about them very recently, but when I did devoured every piece of info on them the Internet could give me. I think they're fucking cool, to be honest, I wish they had stuck around. Babylonin hatedwarves with boners for fire, bull monsters and great beards.

I wonder if there was some Chaos Dwarf sorceror out there who built a tower out of the solidified bodies of his former rivals. Seems like some bullshit they'd do.

>>51298810
Chaos really isn't social darwinism as it is purely "might makes right" in that in the absence of law, that's all that really matters.

>>51300906
They're still existent & I'm hoping for TW:WH.

I'm currently working on an army of them. From what I've gathered they are a kingdom of dwarves that stopped worshipping the regular dwarf gods and embraced Hashut, a God of darkness, from there they started building infernal war machines and offering their services to chaos lords. I wonder if I can find the forgeworld book with them in it for cheap

>>51300602
It does, however, pretty strongly associate individual strength (in whatever form) with survival

They pretty neat. It's nice to see Dwarves do what they do a little different.

They are the true dwarfs and the only ones to remain loyal to the line of succession. The betrayal of the Ancestor God of Hashut was unforgiveable.

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>>51295637
Evil dwarves are criminally underutilized concept.

I fucking love Chaos Dwarfs, they feel like Chaos done right because they feel like they are actually sinister and shit

>>51306826
We'll they were taken over by forgeworld after gw stopped making minis for them and then they were given the forgeworld treatment. They aren't evil for evils sake like other chaos entities

>>51295637

Shamefully unrepresented and underappreciated

Chaos dwarves are amazing. They're a well known fantasy race that hasn't been overused into blandness.
What are some good games that include chaos dwarves? What about reading material?

>>51309746
I know it's a video game, but did you ever check out the Warlords Battlecry series? It has Dark Dwarfs, which aare pretty great.

>>51310203
also like a bazilion other races
http://etheria.wikia.com/wiki/Races

>>51301289
>Chaos really isn't social darwinism as it is purely "might makes right" in that in the absence of law, that's all that really matters.

Yea but Warhammer Chaos is specifically a "might makes right" ideology, not even Tzeentch randomly makes non-accomplished retards Demon Princes

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>>51310961
Amazing. Literally one race that isn't a generic 3e meme, and it's a mashup of Tyrranids and that people-harvesting creature stolen from Lego Robot comics

I always liked my evil dwarfs, but I imagine them more like a maggot death cult than something about rage or might. They were like maggots in the flesh of Ymir after all.

>>51309746
Total War Warhammer has Hellcannons run by a crew of Chaos Dorfs.

>>51295637
I think they need to hurry the fuck up and get put into Total War Warhammer.

Seriously, how did GW fuck up so bad? That have would have brought in a shitload of new players. Part of the reason 40k got so big is the larger media platform it occupies

>>51311759
Oh fuck yourself

Just because it isn't a quirky and unique race of vegetable people who communicate entirely by screaming doesn't mean it's a bad race.

Mesopotamian Dwarfs are so much better than Viking dwarfs it's unreal

>>51295669
I hope you are happy. Now I have to go play dwarf fortress.

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>>51314248
It's worth it.

>>51314834
I want a faction, not a unit

Will BTP paint them?

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>>51310203
Wanna play Battlecry with me a-anon?

>>51295637
How can they call themselves chaotic when they have such a well oiled industrial machine? That shit takes a lot of logistics and foresight.

>>51304713
It means "the most fitting into the current environment."
Darwin wrote about whole species, not individuals.
Even if the individuals of one species would outright stomp the individuals of another that does not mean the former will not go extinct if they fail to adapt. An example would be the dinosaurs and the early mamals.

>>51315757
They side with Chaos but themselves are much more industrial. They do plenty of trade too.

>>51309306
I guess that's what I like about em. They are an easily forgotten about faction that is still a very real threat, as they slowly creep towards power and expand their influence. Plus I love any kind of industrial shit, that plus Mesopatomian themes and being actually confident and goal oriented rather than "HURR KILL ALL STUFF" makes them AWESOME villains

>>51316147
>they made the Black Orcs
>they're the reason the Orcs know metalwork & shit beyond Savage Orcs
>they made much of the Chaos Armor which Warriors of Chaos wear

>>51316198
I want GW to acknowledge them in AoS so fucking bad, like maybe mention a legion of them attacking a town or something

>>51316242
They're technically still active & some even joined the FyreSlayers.

>>51316284
Sauce on joining fyreslayers?

>>51316331
Can't seem to find the official source. There's some fan theories due to the magic-using ones. There's even a comment on the beards not being connected to a stache.

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Opinions on Mantic Chaos Dwarves? Thinking about grabbing up some for KoW and Age of Sigmar. They're cost effective compared to Forge World, but I'm unsure of the quality--I haven't seen any in person.

>>51316973
Honestly, every single alternative Chaos dwarf offering just pales in comparison to FW's models. They fucking nailed it and I have yet to see an alternative that looks even half as good

>>51316973
Keep in mind that their half breeds are not the same size as their FW equivalent. They are made to the size of the old Chaos Dwarves. The regular troops are decent, though they don't match the aesthetic entirely. They are hard plastic rather than restic or some shit. My personal favorite alternatives though are the Russian Alternative ones. They do the old style Chaos Dwarfs well, hats and everything.

If you don't care about the hats general aesthetic they had when they were a mainline army, then just get the FW ones. You can get Chinacast if you want to save money.

>>51297932
>>51298908
Stealing that. There aren't enough dwarf mages either so this is perfect.

>>51317180
Ah. Not a huge fan of the Forge World Chaos Dwarf infantry aesthetics, but I'll definitely be looking into those Russian Alternatives. Also do you think it would look too jarring to mix Mantic with Russian Alternatives?

Thanks.

>>51317735
I don't think that they would be too jarring next to each other. As long as one unit type is kept consistent it should be fine.

If you plan on doing hobgoblins I would recommend getting some of the LotR goblins and painting them green. No one sadly actually makes rank and file hobgoblin figures for Chaos Dwarves, including Forgeworld. In Kings of War you have slave Orcs instead so you should be good there.

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>>51316242

FW apparently wants to do something with them.

>>51315576
>responding hours later
Never played it online and considering how incredible unbalanced this game is I probably never will. Talked to someone that did, everyone expects you to have a level 50 assassin that zips around the battlefield with lightning speed.

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>>51317062

Have you not seen the russian alternative minis? They are very similar to FW in quality and very cheap.

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>>51295637
Love them.

If anyone has questions about Chaos Dwarfs just ask, and ill do my best to answer them.

Iv been studying them, so I know allot of shit about them, much of which is not found on the net, well it might be but its not common(Chaos Dwarfs online).

Past that to the Chaos comments.

The Chaos Dwarfs are in fact the Dawi Zharr, which means Dwarfs of fire(or the fire plain). There was nothing truly Chaos about them till years latter, when they were forced to align with Chaos to survive through trade, as their cousins refused to knowledge them, and thus froze all trade with them.

A neat fact about them, they are, to the best of my knowledge, the only Warhammer Fantasy race to have fought a full on war with the Nehekhara Empire before they became Tomb Kings.

>>51319745
who makes them?

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>>51319770
>There was nothing truly Chaos about them till years latter
Isn't their god a banned Khorne demon prince?

>when they were forced to align with Chaos to survive through trade
How? They country is big as fuck and they have countless slaves, how was trade needed?

>they are, to the best of my knowledge, the only Warhammer Fantasy race to have fought a full on war with the Nehekhara Empire before they became Tomb Kings
What started the war? Where I can read about it?

>>51319779

The company is called "the Russian alternative". They make a range of fantasy resin and metal miniature and will be making plastic minis in the coming year(s).

>>51319770
If they are all about fire worship, shouldn't they be more based on Persians than Babylonians?

>>51319794
ah - its all fantasy stuff

>>51319792
>Isn't their god a banned Khorne demon prince?
No, and yes. let me explain.

There was a bit of fluff(unpublished) In which a mighty greater daemon challenged Khorne to a dual, and as one might expect, Khorne won, and the entire Warp went after the failure, he managed to escape to the Dark Lands, but when he was held up in, what can only be described as a canyon, the Chaos daemons bounded him to it.

Now, while this was unpublished, the story was officially rewrote latter, but this time its just a greater daemon(I think of Khorne) and a mighty ogre tyrant battles for nights, till the ogre eventually wins, and the tyrant binds said daemon into the ground.

Which the Chaos Dwarfs mine, because fuck you. (Daemon Stump is what its called).

So the answer is officially no, but at one time, it WAS going to be the official background for Hashut.

>How? They country is big as fuck and they have countless slaves, how was trade needed?
Look at it this way, would you say that colonial America need not trade with the world as North America is big as fuck?

The Chaos Dwarfs at the time might have controlled like 5% of the Dark Lands, today its around 30%, and besides, they need slaves, and different kinds of slaves, so only greenskins will not due, some of the Chaos Dwarfs artificers make special equipment that requires stuff, like Elf skin, and human blood. So a variety of races are required, thus trade was needed.

There was, also at one time, some rare bluish gem/stone that was not found in the Dark Lands but is plentiful in the North. So there are SOME things the Chaos Dwarfs can not easily get, but yes much of the wants of Dwarfs is supplied by the Dark Lands, oh and as a side note, they burn through slaves at a extermly fast rate(The eat slaves, and wear their skin as clothes, besides the normal sacrificing them to Hashut, and working them to death).

Thus trade is very important.

>>51319792
>What started the war? Where I can read about it?
"Armour of Bazherak The Crule
(Magic Armour)
Legend has it that Bazherk was an infamous Castellan-commander of the tower of Gorgoth, during the wars against the Great Empire of Nehekhara at its height, long before Nagash doomed its people. A General and slave-lord without peer, he threatened the dominance of the Chaos Dwarfs Sorcerers and he had the armour fashioned in secret to shield him from his rivals. It failed him however when his army was cut off by a vast Orc horde in the tidal flats on the edge of the Bitter Sea, where he drowned under its weight after being driven into the surf, The armor was latter recovered in plunder from the Orcs, and repaired, and stands as a testament to arrogant warriors of the price of hubris."

5 Slaves that it was the Sorcerers who sent in the Orks.

>If they are all about fire worship, shouldn't they be more based on Persians than Babylonians?

Ok, here is the thing. Back in the 1980's they were TRUE Chaos Dwarfs, and mostly worshiped Khorne.

In the Late 80's going into the early 90's the American Branch of GW had this idea to make them a fully fledged army, and thus we would, in a few years, get all the Neo-Chaos Dwarfs in one book, the " White Dwarf: Presents Chaos Dwarfs.

This group of Chaos Dwarfs, the Dawi Zharr, got a total face lift to become their own faction/race, and their main point, outside of being Evil Dwarfs, was slavery, something that while the Persian Empire did, its religion (Zoroastrian) heavily frowned upon. Where as Babylon did not have any such moral ground to stop slavery.

As a side not before I go on, I will also say that as a Christian Babylon is always shown as being evil, rather it truly was, is as any Empire up for Debate, but since it was the Babylonians who took the Jews out of their homeland, and the Persians who allowed them back, Babylon is always used as a reference for evil, and again we are talking about England 1980's-

>>51319962
>Back in the 1980's they were TRUE Chaos Dwarfs, and mostly worshiped Khorne
But those were Norse Chaos Dwars, also called Black Dwarfs. They still exist, but GW stopped writting about them.

>>51319962
Babylon makes more sense as insperation for the Chaos Dwarfs, but yes you are correct, Persia is more akin to Fire worship.

Cont-
The Chaos Dwarfs do not worship fire, as much as, with anything, they enslave it.

Think of the Wood Elves, know how they have wonderful sprits/spirits of the forest that fight with them, well the Chaos Dwarfs have this too, but the fire spirits, fire daemons, are enslaves.

One of the things the Chaos Dwarfs like to do is to use minor daemons(fire daemons found in the Dark Lands), and use them as (I kid you not) ammo. This is used in the Fire Glaves, but is mastered in their shotguns(Blunderbuss).

This special shotgun they use is called a Hailshot Blunderbuss, when it shoots, the "pellets" are bounded with these minor fire spirits, which in their anger, rage, and hate seek out flesh to scorch. So when a unit of Chaos Dwarfs fire the Hailshot Blunderbuss, they are not so much shooting bullets, as much as screaming fire daemons who (while they last), try to edge into the armor to find flesh so they can "eat" it away.

Thus again, slavery, and not worship/alliance.

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>>51319996
Yes and no. There was a split off, where the more tech savy became the Chaos Dwarfs, the once Chaos Dwarf Rocket launcher, and Bazooka, would be remade into the Death Rocket, and to a lesser extent the Earth Shaker.

The rest was streamlined into the Dwarfs, the Norse Dwarfs got a short print, and everything else was sadly, just trashed.


However, not all from that time was forgotten, it comes, well came up once in a while, such as the Dawi Zharr creating the juggernauts of Khorne, for well Khorne. He liked the idea so much that he began to make his own, the originals were made by the Chaos Dwarfs from their own Taurus, which is surprising, as that animal is sacred to them, second only to the Lammasu.

>>51319429
Source?

>>51317299

Turtles goddamn seaturtles

>>51320108
Not Anon, and while I too would like a source, I can say that they did make the new model for the Chaos Dwarfs, which is a Age of Sigmar unit, and not a carry over.
Shar'tor the Executioner
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Shartor-the-Executioner-FW

Besides that, in the past, Forge World was more open, and commented off the records that they loved doing the Chaos Dwarfs, and want to do more, but it all mattered on sales.

They then went to say that the Chaos Dwarfs sold out much better then they thought, and...Then we got Horus Heresy, with a leaked/email about how they had to suspend all Warhammer Fantasy production.

So they want to do more, but till Games Workshops takes the Fantasy/AoS cage off their balls, they have to keep making HH stuff.

Source to that is from emails people shared, as well as game days(mostly found on DAKA DAKA, and Chaos Dwarfs Online)

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>>51299534
That's an orc.

>>51320010
why does the bunderbluss have a german name? is it how the empire cals it?

>>51320299
As far as I know, thats just the common name used in the English language, I have seen the word used for all games that predate the 20th century. The Shotgun we have today is the descendant of the Blunderbuss.

So yeah, I would assume the name is used for the Empire, as well as another faction that has them.

Side note, the Chaos Dwarfs LOVE their Shotguns(Blunderbuss), and one of the reason for this is their slave problem(slavery revolts, and taking slaves).

While many would jump to the classical redneck, or hillbilly when thinking of one, the way the Chaos Dwarfs use theirs is more akin to the South Afrikaans, who created the Armsel Striker, more commonly known as the Street Sweeper.

A automatic shotgun that will, as the name says, clear a street if need be.

The Chaos Dwarfs use their just as the South Afrikkians intended theirs for, so when a group of slaves, mostly composed of Greenskins get out of hand, the Chaos Dwarfs will leave the Hobgoblin slavers there to try and get the slaves back in order, while the Chaos Dwarfs just line up and fire. Who cares if Hobgoblins die in the mass volley, there are always more eager to take the place of those who "failed".

The Chaos Dwarfs also have repeating rifles, so its not much of a stretch to think they would have repeating shotguns(blunderbuss) as well.

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>>51320150
It's a Daemon.

>>51295637

They must have bit hats.

>>51319745

Do you have anymore comparison shots of their Chaos Dwarfs?

I bought a load of their Hobgoblins but scale didn't matter for them since GW haven't made an alternative in year.

>>51298810
What the hell? Skaven are the very clear counterpart to the lizardmen.

>>51324573
How so?

I think of them more of a anti-dorf.

>>51325089
Chaos Dorfs are antidorfs. Also orcs.

So how will TW:WH Chaos Dwarfs be? Canonically they have more slaves & Hobgoblins than Dwarfs & they make the best of Chaos equipment unless granted by Chaos gods themselves.

>>51326037
Yeah, I can see their early game units aside from their lord being slaves, and higher tier being beasts, elementals, and actual Chaos Dwarf units.

>>51325508
Chaos dorfs are just different dorfs.
Orks are anti civilization.

Yet Skaven:
Breed fast
Develop and use new stuff all the time, not caring about reliability.
Betray each other whenever they can get away with it. Break oaths constantly.
Unless warpstone is involved, rather short lived.

Dorfs:
Breed slow.
Tend to use new stuff slowly, caring much about reliability.
Oaths are holy. Breaking them is the worst thing anyone could do.
Very long lived.

>>51327332
High Elves:
Breed slow
Barely develop new stuff
Reliable guys
Very very long lived

>>51327332
Lizardmen:
Breeding places poisoned thus slow breeding
Doesn't develop anything new
Extremely loyal to their leaders
Extremely long lived

>>51327678
And also canonically shown to be the archenemy of the Skaven in their armybook.

And they're both furries.

>>51328061
>Lizardmen are furries
>so are Skaven
>Beastmen too

>>51327332
Which race causes the lizardmen to leave Fantasy world to AoS? Skaven. Which race was the first race to actually cause the lizardmen their first major loss in Lustria? Skaven. Which race has the Dwarves been fighting with since the dawn of time, and has a shit ton of grudges against? Greenskins. The only named conlfict of a big scale between Dwarves and Skaven is Karak Eight Peaks really, and that is shared with the greenskins. Also, Empires arch enemy is Vamp Counts. Same ideals, similar tactics if you ignore guns, cept undead.

>>51327678
>Extremely loyal to their leaders
More than that, the entire race is following a single plan for the world that they insist will be made into existence. Its a far more important idea than an oath to them, its the meaning of life.

>>51329648
Are they still at it in AoS?

>>51328909
Too bad beastmen have nothing to do with either of them.

>>51329748
Well the slann decided that the plan failed, and the old ones might have missed some tricks. So they locked themselves in a huge spaceship and worked out A NEW. FUCKIN. PLAN!!!!!! So technically yes.

>>51329870
lizarmen/skinks/carnosaurs/dread saurian etc are just manifestation of the tough of slaans, they are energy deamons that appear and dissapear when teh slaan will it now, not real dino

>>51329911
Nopetheres a part where a skink chats to a slann before they go down. They are more like Demons, and their warp in High Azyr the heaven of the high magic plane.

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>>51328061
>>51328909
>furries

>>51320108

A comment from one of their Open Days I remember reading somewhere.

>>51320144

I've never gotten the impression that GW has any control over FW and that they're somehow being forced to do something they don't want to. Sales and storage space would be completely independent of GW, you need the former to continue to operate and you can't waste what little you have of the latter on stuff that doesn't sell.

>>51331492
>I've never gotten the impression that GW has any control over FW
Well, your impression was wrong, GW controls FW directly. Actually, that's an understatement as FW is a part of GW.

What do Daemon Princes of Hashut look like?

>>51333134
This is a interesting one, there has never been fully explained, but its worth mentioning that the Lammasu of the Chaos Dwarfs are rather close, even being able to mind control all other creatures bellow a dragon.

Besides that there is no information, but we can assume that he would look like a dwarf/Minotaur cross, with molten skin(Taurus), breaths the wind of magic, and exhales its own blend of it as a protective shield which dispels magic(Lammasu).

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>>51333462
So is Hashut just a minor Chaos deity like the Horned Rat and Malice, or is he special in any way? I find it kind of a shame that none of the minor ones really get their own daemons.

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>>51333629
More close then you might think. Before the Chaos Dwarfs had a army book, in which Hashut was detailed out, the Chaos Dwarfs had boar-centaurs, where after their offical army book they were redone to bull centaurs. So at one time the Boar, and not the Bull would be the image of Hashut, thus fitting the image very well..
>>51334054
This is a loaded question, like really loaded as its never been pinned down.

In the fluff, there are heavy nudges to Hashut being a Dwarf ancestor god, this is the most held theory in the Chaos Dwarf fan base as well(which being from people who actually played and read about the Chaos Dwarfs for 20 odd years, is probably correct).

When the Forge World book came out, and the champion of Nurgle made it to the Dark Lands, he signed a contract with the Chaos Dwarfs so that BOTH followers of the CHAOS gods could unite, one for Nurgle, and one for Hashut.

Yet during the End Times, Hashut seems to have been found in the Dark Lands, so when the Beast WAAGH fought the Dawi Zharr Empire, Hashut did battle with Gork, and then Mork, and then Gork and Mork at the same time(in which he lost vs two at the same time).

While the End Times are a strange time indeed, the Chaos gods did not come out of the warp unless their was a vortex rip, so it seems to show Hashut as, something different, but in league with Chaos.

If we add in the Wahammer 2ed RPG, then Hashut was found when the dwarf runesmiths(Dawi Zharr runepriests) called out into the darkest parts of the VOID for help. Which seems like a odd word to use when the Warp, Chaos Wastes, and etc were common terms used, thus again seeming to show Hashut as something other then a full fledged Chaos god.
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>>51334590
The same RPG writers were however then going to go in their next book(which was cancelled) about how Hashut might be Tzeentch in disguise. While another was the story about the greater daemon of Khorne who challenged Khorne, then lose, and was imprisoned in the Dark Lands.

Neither are cannon, as neither happend, but again it shows that no one had a idea of where to take Hashut, and so its all up to fan theory, is he a greater daemon on the power of a minor chaos god, a minor chaos god, or a ancestor god, its up to the reader to decide.

Lastly, if we take Age of Sigmar, and the End of Times, then its very likely that Hashut was a dwarf ancestor god, just like how the Chaos Dwarfs are in the Age of Sigmar, then that means Hashut is as well, but we know he was defeated by GorkaMorka. So based on all the Chaos Dwarf named characters who were mentioned, and did not die, or make it over(Drazhoath the Ashen).

This leaves only one well known(as in well known for a Chaos Dwarf), and that is Astragoth, who is perhaps the most cunning of all the Chaos Dwarf Sorcerers to ever live, he was the inventor of the exo-skeleton that other Chaos Dwarfs use to move around once their legs turn to stone.

He was around and kicking to the end, even getting the odd mention in a White Dwarf, and the Forge World book, so he was not forgotten.

Thus its very likely that he managed to flee to the new realm, and become the new Hashut, thus showing that Hashut is indeed a dwarf ancestor god.

Also on the daemons, there is the K'daai destroyer posted above(more or less a greater daemon of Hashut), and the one pictured here(K'Daai Fireborn), the lesser daemon of Hashut.

Though they are a combination of a fire spirit of the Dark Lands mixed with a chaos daemon, and while not stated, its hinted that a Chaos Dwarf is sacrificed to make one.

>>51332341

Yes, they're apart of GW, but GW lets them do their own thing.

>>51335515
Not exactly, while I don't know of all the restraints, I do know that at a game day the question was brought up about why Forge World never did a Chaos Dwarf Lammasu, and they told the questioner that GW would not let them make models that they(GW) had already produced(and I think, that were still buyable).

This is why Forge World made the Great Taurus, and not the Taurus. The Great Taurus was in the background, but sadly no great Lammasu, thus we never got one. Though some artwork was shown of what they wanted to do if they could have made one(I think it was close to the third party Lammasu head that GW sued over).

This is also why we never got any Forge World Hobgoblins, they were to close to Games Workshops Goblins, so they got told not to make any, even though Hobgoblins can stand as tall as a Orc, just more skinny.

So yes there are at least some restraints that GW puts of FW.

>>51335686

Well that is fair enough and makes sense, but there is a difference between "You can't do X because it's too close to Y or we're going to produce X in plastic." and "You can't do X because we want you to do Y instead."

FW's AoS stuff that has been released and is in the works kind of feels like an example of this since only the named Khorne character, Khorne Lord on Dragon, and Khorne Daemon Prince fit with what GW might try to push. Everything else has been Chaos Dwarfs, Fimir, or Trolls.

They did do one Stormcast model, but that is Warhammer World exclusive and even before that they put out a WW exclusive Chaos Dwarf Daemonsmith.

>>51335817
>You can't do X because we want you to do Y instead.
This is how GW handles FW. FW started work on a much anticipated K'Daai destroyer and nearly finished it, then the management told the sculptor to make adjustments to a nearly finished model and make it some noname Khorne creature instead, because Khorne sells well and CD not so much. I think that was one of the dirtiest moves GW had ever pulled before the new management took over.

This is me just spitballing here, but I think Hashut being an Ancestor God works pretty well.
Dwarves, for all their good points, have a tradition of denial and greed. Great shames are not spoken about and innovations ignored, while their lust for gold seems often dooms them.
I think Hashut represents what the Dawi deny about themselves, the darker impulses. He represents greed, but also innovation and breaking of tradition. He is the ancestor who's name is struck from records. And in his greed he demands souls and temples to be built for him.
Of course, the dwarves deny his existence, which only furthers empowers him. The Chaos Dwarves give into their darker impulses and are empowered for that.

>>51315245
http://totalwars.ru/index.php/total-war-warhammer-news/2576-total-war-warhammer-fb-dlc-and-expansion-pack-plans.html
Not a single mistake up to this point, so calm down, we will get Chaos Dwarfs.

>>51334590
>>51334727

So why did Chaos Dwarfs fall to the wayside until Forge World threw them a bone? Not enough to make them feel distinct gameplay wise from the rest of Chaos? Because I think Daemons, Beastmen, and Warriors were still one army at the time.

>>51338933
No Kislev anywhere to be seen. I want muh winger hussars, not durka midgets.

>>51339142
>equating Mesopotamians with Arabs

Swine of the highest caliber. Begone, and may Pazuzu send plagues upon your houses.