True scale

>>51288400
No. Th writers suck at math.

>>51288400
That marine is too tall. They're only supposed to be ~7' tall in armor. Even if you add a couple inches fixing the perma-squat, he should only have 12-18" on that human soldier.

>>51288568
>' "

>>51288568
>seven minutes tall
>12-18 seconds
Do you even metric system

>>51288400
No. WW2 tanks are better than what imperials have of we go with official sources

>>51288898
Nope, us mericans use ' to represent feet and " to denote inches.

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>>51288400

>>51288400
>120mm stormbolter
I don't think the scale is correct on that picture

>>51288898
Nah, too busy landing on the Moon.

>>51288985
Nice nazi tech you had there.

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>>51288400
>Are the proportions from official 40k text actually realistic in their measurements?

GW is famous for not being consistent with their data, so maybe. That being said, the model weapons are waaaaay oversized, see pic. You could not even store 10 rounds in the tank given the size of that gun

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>>51288985
>putting imperials in space
Haven't you learn anything from Warzone? That thing leads only to disaster. Like pic related.

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>>51288400
>that carnifex

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>>51288985
Using the metric system.

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>>51288400
always gives me a chuckle

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>>51288985
But not on Mars :^°

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Why are guardsman models almost space marine height and bulk? It's absolutely ridiculous.

>>51289232
plastic guardsmen/vostroyans are poorly scaled compared to the 2nd edition/steel legion guardsmen

next question

>>51288400
>40k
>realistic

ayy lmao

>>51289175
This kills the probe

>>51289232
>3cm - manlet cutoff

>>51288400
In terms of models no, they follow a philosophy of dynamic scale, allowing parts of models to be exaggerated physically to allow better visual conception and appreciation.

There is a whole theory about it from a marketing and artistic perspective that GW actually has done a pretty good job with. Its why they looks so weird when you think about it, but they still look great on the table.

Look at a marine holding a bolter in some of the good artwork and look at the normal bolter marine miniature, the scale looks off, but its intentional. Since the gun matters visually in the game the piece is designed in a larger way to scale the piece such to draw the eye to it. Reason being that it becomes easier to notice when the marine does NOT have a bolter but a melta gun or plasma gun.

Most GW marine models have very skewed scale with their miniatures because they are designed to be ascetically pleasing before realistic. Just look at the Leman Russ model, its so weirdly shaped and articles have been written about how impractical that design is, but it looks great on the table.

Basically its a really complex explanation of WHY the "Rule of Cool" actually works out psychologically. I don't know if they still follow the concept now, but back in 3rd -4th when they were updating the Marine line they did a great job of applying that theory.

Some people don't like it, but their a minority to people that do, but they are still significant enough that entire games now exist to fit the "realistic scale" feel to them, like Infinity.

As for lore, well its not defined. Just try to find the size of a Warlord titan. The Forge World one is the size of a 10-15 story building, but in lore they have jumped size and scale to 25 or even 30 stories tall.

A couple pictures even have them standing as tall as mountains.

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>>51288400
>Are the proportions from official 40k text actually realistic in their measurements?
No

regard every single piece of fluff about 40k (the omniscient pieces too) as if it was being copied or redacted by an administorum servitor.

>>51288568
>That marine is too tall.

Nah he is fine. Why do you want manlet astartes?

>>51288400
>Are the ... 40k ... realistic ... ?
No.

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STAND THE FUCK BACK WARHAMMER.
THE REAL OP UNIVERSE IS HERE.

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>>51292902
BIGGER

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>>51292915
cannon is 50 cm. not 500

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>>51288985

>>51292902
>>51292915
>>51292927
Daily reminder that in SupCom the factions have all mastered perfect wireless energy transfer and mass-to-energy conversion (and vice versa) along with minaturized nano-fabrication, meaning that all units manufacture their own ammunition inside of themselves from the energy generated by their base.

>>51289175
https://youtu.be/JPjKMyPqiFo?t=14

Just...gonna land this right here.

>>51293016
and yet they still cant space travel to save their lives.

>>51288944
>100mm steel with 200mm at slope
>better than 100mm adamantine with the strength of 900mm steel not sloped
>While still retain futuristic christie suspension systems and all.

Yeah
Nah

>>51288985
>Too busy landing on the moon
What with your German Scientists and Canadian Aerospace Engineers?

>>51293038
Why would you waste time and energy accelerating into and through space when the quantum gate sattilite already in orbit can relay you strieght to your destination from a ground bound gate?We don't even need a landing zone, if you don't mind a minor subatomic explosion at the LZ.

>>51293144
>minor subatomic explosion at landing zones.

SupCom universe has the best DYNAMIC ENTRY tech ever

>>51293142
Our super special op materials totally make up for our use of rivets, hideous shot traps, exposed tracks, and a cannon whose breach is aligned with the commander's crotch!
>fire the cannon!
Boom!
>aargh medic!

>>51292902
supcom is total annihilation for babies

>>51289232
Because heroic scale is shite

>>51293233
Nah, Supcom is a proper spiritual successor to TA.
Unlike PA.

>>51293257
lets not speak of PA

>>51293257
m8 I ain't talking gameplay, I'm talking powerlevels

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God damn the scale that 30k and 40k uses triggers the SHIT out of me

>>51293329
Isn't TA powerlevel pretty similar to Supcom powerlevel?

>>51288985
... you realize that entire crews of astronauts have died because scientists and engineers failed to label their units when making their NASA space pods & got confused, right? I'm all for boasting America's accomplishments, but there were needless deaths on the way to space just because of units.

>>51293386
It's the same scale (almost), Gal'vorbak are just that huge.

>>51293251
then why are most eldar still taller than marines ?

>>51289088
I like to think that at least the carnifex is scanned properly.

>>51292927

Why do they have to make everything XBAWKS hueg? Is it compensation?

>>51288985
>Still bragging about it 50 years later
Nobody gives a fuck, gramps

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>>51288985
hmm, I really wonder which system NASA uses, metric or imperial

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>>51293056

The abrams btfos imperium tanks by using its long barreled gun, sloped armour, low frame and by being much closer to the ground then a 40k tank.

>>51296279
See >>51295715
It used to be both, until some people died over it. Not sure if that prompted them to change or just get better at labelling units.

>>51289232

GW can't make humans without making them giant chunky faggots.

>>51293056
I'm too lazy to dig up the text to quote from, but iirc the Imperium tanks' armor was listed in terms of equivalent thickness of steel. Maybe it's some super duper space steel that's stronger than real world steel, but I seriously doubt GW would have thought that far ahead about it. It's more likely some writer who thought he knew what he was talking about tossed down some impressive-sounding numbers that are actually less than what real-world tanks had in WWII.

>>51297652
>giant chunky faggots
To appeal to the fanbase?

>>51288970
the scale is correct in terms of length or height of the landraider.

but the tanks guns suffer the same heroic scale distortion the infantry. it's just ported straight to the art usually because there's no truescale reference artists can use.

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>>51288400

You think that's bad, you should see the weight they assign to some of their Super-Heavy, Gargantuan Creature units.

Apparently the Tiger Shark, a machine carrying Manta rail cannons that can take out Titans massing 400 tons, weighs only 27 tons.

About as much as an Ork Mega Dread.

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>>51296298

The Russ is only worse than the Abrams if it's made out of pure RHA, which it usually isn't (and neither is the Abrams), being constructed of adamantium ceramite composite. However, there's no denying it is much taller than it needs to be, and the Imperium has better tanks in their inventory that they cannot mass produce because their factories and logistics base are tuned to make Leman Russes specifically.

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>>51296298
>Doesn't realise that 1,300 mm armors of Abrams was actualy slope-counted and only at FRONTAL arc
>Impliying Land Raider can't do the same
>Impliying any modern tanks have an actual frontal armor thickness more than 150 mm or else they'll be as fucked as Maus
>Impliying a space laser are needs to be long barreled
>Comparing an heavy armed APC used to carry 7 foot armored super soldiers with an MBTs
>Using Wiki as a valid form of argument
>Using an old ass /k/uk meme

Ok anon

>>51289038
I think I read that the gun on the Leman Russ has a calibre of 12 cm

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>>51288400
>>51297781

Or the Barbed Heirodule.

Despite it being said to have the ability to wreck tanks and what not with it's talons, it in fact weighs less than the Leman Russ and the Predator Tank, and far less than a Bane Blade.

>>51288568
I thought the old rule was 7.5 feet tall?
Which is a measure that just about works for me.
In OP's pic, assume the modern human is about 6', and, due to his walking towards us, appears just a hair shorter than he would be standing up straight. The Space Marine is standing up straight, and to my untrained eye appears just about a foot and a half taller.
This seems about reasonable to me: Space Marines are very tall, large people, but they are not beyond or at the human maximum. Yao Ming, for example, is 7'6".

The size of the Land Raider, on the other hand, just demonstrates how ridiculous the setting's tank designs are. That pintle mounted bolter is only good for taking out threats to the sides, or if someone climbs up on top of the tank. Still, it looks like it could roll over the Abrams, so that's kinda cool.
Also, I like seeing how big a carnifex is.

>>51297692
Most of the WW II tanks are only 100mm thick frontals, and only few who are actually see production phase that topped at 185mm thickness, that was King Tiger and it was slow as fuck. So no anon, there's no WW II equivalent.

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>>51288400
>>51298045

And the Heirophant, among the larger of the Bio Titans deployed by the Tyranids, weighs less than a Leman Russ and only about 10 tons more than a Predator.

>>51289148
Yeah, GW artists have a weird habit of drawing sm heads waaaay too small.

>>51298200
>The size of the Land Raider, on the other hand, just demonstrates how ridiculous the setting's tank designs are.

Well, it was being a big APC for reasons, and they we're based on pulp fiction like Bolos where the idea of land battleship is popular and widely accepted.

Just look at Baneblades, how the fuck do you want to create something that big when Tomahawk and support drones exist? Its like saying a Gundam is the most perfect example of IRL mech rather than 3 meters Heavy Gear.

>>51298244
The King Tiger had a top speed of over 40 kph and that really wasn't slow as fuck at the time.

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>>51288400

Despite being as large as it is in that picture, the Carnifex actually weighs less than any tank in that image.

>>51288952

Not just the Yanks. Older Britfags still measure in Feet' and Inches"

>>51296298

Yes, but the Leman Russ can bring weapons to bear that I'm sure are superior to an Abrams.

Like Plasma Cannons and Las Cannons.

>>51298200

GW used to have a lifesize cardboard poster of a marine with 1 foot scaling lines behind it on display. The marine was exactly 7 feet tall.

>>51298459
Tank will constantly be under the top speed, expect them to be half of the performance when outside of clear roads.

With all that weight, you'll be fucked harder when running offroad

>>51298459
The biggest determent of large tanks is and will forever be the fact that traditional roads and bridges aren't made for them. Huge land battleship style tanks can't use regular roads without destroying them, which beams supply lines for said road gets fucked and good luck crossing a bridge that can't support the weight of the big husker of a tank because it won't be able to go off road well either.

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>>51300782
SupCom weaponry is huge.

>>51297967
seems about right.
i know the earthshaker is stated to be 132mm and thats

The capabilities of 40K equipment are starting to show their age, though. There were 203mm cannons on mass-produced artillery pieces in the arsenals of fifty countries as far back as Vietnam.

>>51297889
really the russ is about as well armoured as a modern tank. The battlecannon is comparable to the M1s 120mm, and shooting comparable ammunition at itself has a comparable effect. HE rounds are pretty much useless, you need the APFDS rounds to reliably get penetration.
though the case could be made that the russ is somewhat better armoured since its APFDS rounds are admantium not uranium.


It's backwards design is saved by crazy scifi uber-materials.
If they applied their materials to our designs you'd have a tank that could actually save the imperium.

>>51293202
Why are tankers, universally, such total fags?

>>51293202

It should be noted that the Russ's rivets are external, much like those on the Bradley. They are there to hold the outter layers of the armor in place, but don't strictly hold the actual tank together. And as it has been said many times on /k/, shot traps mean shit against the high-velocity projectiles that are actually capable of penetrating modern tanks, much less plasma.

The exposed tracks and cannon placement are pretty bad however, I'll give you that.

>>51301195
>tankers
>implying these fags have ever even joined the military

The military fucking sucks, it completely killed my interest in military shit and the M16 rifle platform. Every time I see some civilian faggot gushing over the AR15 or M4 in video games all I can remember is having to carry that heavy piece of shit through miles of hills and desert, and scrubbing it for hours and failing to get it spotless.

>>51297948
t. salty Games Workshop cuck

>>51295715

The fuck are you talking about? The only fatalities in the American spaceflight programs were the shuttle disasters and the Apollo. The Shuttles were over complicated boondoggle that were overworked and underfunded, and the Apollo fire was because they didn't realize a 100% oxygen atmosphere in the capsule was a bad idea.

The only loss due to unit conversions was an automated Martian lander.

>>51293597
nah, TA already blew up the galaxy

SupCom is merely in the process of it

On the topic of the Leman Russ, didn't the eponymous discoverer of that STC actually fuck with the design when he found it? I know he insisted it be named after him but him fucking it up to make it a tall, derpy tank like it is, I can't remember if that's fanon or canon.

>>51302994
The history has been revised a lot. Originally, Leman Russ wasn't even a Primarch, and the tank was named after a field commander who perfected the design after field trials.

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>>51302902
Not if the Arm has anything to say about it.

>>51289148
>Small guy driving abadon
THAT EXPLAINS WHY HE LOSES HIS ARMS ALL THE TIME

>>51288400
40k tanks are out of scale with 40k people models for the sake of them not being too huge

>>51302994
fanon I'm pretty sure.
canon is that leman russ found the stc, so it's mamed aftrr him and space wolves are the only chapter allowed to have russ battle tanks.

>>51303293
The weapons are also out of scale due to being based on infantry weapons which are out of scale for the reasons of durability.

the scale in 40k is in part due to it being a miniatures wargame. Correct proportions on a miniature at a distance sort of blur together, but chunky heads and hands let you read the pose better from a distance.

The weapons are extra chunky so you can see what they are without having to pick up and inspect the model.

>>51304537
that and in the 80s when gw was getting started heroic scale was the new in thing.
Limitations in casting meant that truescale 25mm minis just didn't have much detail, heroic scale let you include more details.

All numbers in 40k should at minimum be altered by a multiplier of 1.2x.

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>>51297889
>That Tiger/Porsche rip-off
[Heavy breathing intensifies]

I'm not an armor fan so I like marine vehicles because they are the ultimate utilitarian vehicles. They're literally just blocks on treads.

>>51292915
I like that the Galactic Colossus is so huge it doesn't even fit in the frame.

>>51304840
Orkz need Stugs. It fits their mentality so well.

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>>51305024
That's because the GC is something like 180m tall if I remember correctly.

>>51297889
>>51297948
>not seeing the IA part that says 300mm RHAe
> e q u i v a l e n t

>>51302662
O-or you could be in a country that doesn't use shit tier designs from 60 years ago

The OP isn't actually that far off, assuming that the US soldier is a little bit on the manlet side. It's actually a pretty solid comparison and looks about right.

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>>51288400
>>51288568
>That marine is too tall. They're only supposed to be ~7' tall in armor. Even if you add a couple inches fixing the perma-squat, he should only have 12-18" on that human soldier.

7'' is 218 cm, and there's no way that soldier is more than 190 cm. Assuming that the soldier actually is 190 cm and the astartes is 220 cm, that gives us a 30 cm difference, which would be a little bit more than a full head, maybe about a head and a half.

With some leeway in interpretation, such as the astartes in question being a little bit shorter than that, the soldier being a bit taller than that, and possible differences in posture, we could say anything between 20-35 cm difference.

The picture is actually pretty much fucking spot on. After running this through, I'm actually a bit blown away by how accurate that seems.

>>51304840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Z9j071Zbc

>>51301108
Mere calibre isn't everything, though. Muzzle velocity is very relevant if you want to pierce armour, and better metallurgy/chemistry can offer much greater explosive effect without changing the actual dimensions of the shell.

For example, older black powder muskets tended to have pretty ridiculous sizes like .68 cal. But a modern-day rifle round with half the diameter will still beat it in pretty much every aspect, including lethality.

>>51289038
If we assume that it's caseless/shell-less ammo being propelled by sophisticated technobabble, you could probably fit quite a bit, actually.

That said, I don't disagree with the general sentiment - most representations are artistic interpretations, and this includes most models and such, as far as I'm concerned.

>>51305085
but it doesn't say that.

>>51296298
LOL
O
L

>>51300764
There's also the general fact that weaponry scales up much more readily and cheaply than armour. Square-cube law and all that.

>>51302750
t. salty autist

>>51305085
>300 mm equivalent of flat out standard conventional steel
>outside of slope

Nice try /k/uk

>>51298251
Would it be scarily lightweight or would it outright float?

>>51305136
The problem is only Eurocuck use new stuff, and the only good thing they have is French Legionary.

>>51305359
>>51305136
Honestly, the small arms of the individual soldier rarely make a meaningful difference in the grand scheme of things, unless you're looking at generational, revolutionary differences (e.g. muzzleloaders to repeating rifles, or bolt-actions to automatics). Completely throwing out the old stock and replacing it with a new model is a huge effort and expense, and simply not worth it when the possible improvements are small and incremental at most.

>>51303069
fuck, why can`t we have an HD version of that game, fucking amazing

>people think the M1A1 could beat a Leman Russ
l o l

>“Re-laying the gun took a vital second. In that time, the second tank fired again and hit the Wrath squarely. The impact was enough to lurch all sixty-two tonnes of armoured machine several metres sideways. But it didn’t penetrate the twenty centimetre-thick armour skin. Inside, the crew were dazed and they’d lost most of the forward scopes.” / Honor Guard, p.174 - **

For reference, that's several hundred megajoules of energy involved to move sixty-six tonnes several meters.

>>51288400
with all those new monsters I'd kinda forgotten just how big a Carnifex really is.

>>51305352
It's a bit difficult to calculate since the shape is so spindly and asymmetric, but even generously low-balling its volume you come out to a density of about 300-400 kg/m^3. Which is about a third of the density of water (1,000 kg/m^3). So it wouldn't float away into the air, but it will certainly float in water, and very easily at that. For comparison, a human body is somewhere in the neighbourhood of ~980 kg/m^3, and steel's at about 8,000 kg/m^3

>>51305730
Why isn't the crew dead? That impact should have liquefied them.

>>51305826
technobable Inertial dampening probably
they have it for the main guns recoil, why not have an impact resistant crew if you can.

>>51305826
Not necessarily, as long as the interior of the tank is suitably isolated against the shockwave. As long as the tank itself wasn't accelerated too quickly, it could reasonably be survivable.

>>51305446
Thats the thing, all that matter most is the fucking competence, which most of Eurobantz lacks.

Hell, you can replace all of the old ass M-16 with fucking laser gun, but if all of your bulk is conscripts, they'll still act like a conscript.

>>51305881
Pretty much no European military uses conscription anymore, except for Switzerland and one or two shitty eastern ones.

>>51305256
The 2003 chapter approved book (which is one of the best things published by GW ever by the way) describes the characteristics of many common armored vehicles.

It describes a land raider as having 91-95mm of composite armor "equal to 365mm of conventional steel armor". Which is ridiculously poor by modern metrics.

This obviously isn't indicative of 40k vehicles being less armored than modern ones, it's just points to GW authors getting their ideas of what reasonable armor performance is from WWII reference books, which is what you'd expect from british people, since in the UK knowing anything at all about weapons of warfare post WWII makes people look at you funny.

>>51305881
All northern countries except Sweden still have compulsory military service, and tons of countries have conscription as deemed necessary in case of war.

And Sweden think they're reactivating theirs (they're not going to, though, because they don't have the military infrastructure to maintain it anymore).

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>>51305914
There are, however, really funny instances of specific weapons having their exact performance characteristics listed and being dramatically inferior to their real life equivalents.

The Earthshaker Cannon for example is an entirely serviceable artillery piece when you consider how few crew it requires compared to a real one, but in terms of range, shell weight and muzzle velocity a modern 155mm artillery piece like a M198 is superior in every way. It's entirely plausible that the imperium has better explosives technology and as a result shells are more damaging (though a 155mm shell is some pretty serious shit) the gun itself is objectively inferior.

I can't help but think that forgeworld do this on purpose, since they try pretty hard to push the perpetual WWI-WWII theme with many of their books and they give off a feel of technology often being made with more regard for mass production and ruggedness than outright performance.

>>51306125
The ranges in particular are painfully short on pretty much everything. The IG basically needs the equivalent of an ICBM just to be able to hit something that's more than a few hundred meters away.

But yeah, it's mostly rooted in the aesthetics. The dynamic of modern combat just don't suit themselves to the kind of style 40k goes for. Nobody wants to read about a decimated squad of marines heroically squatting behind a rock for a few hours while exchanging sporadic ineffective potshots across open ground until fire support eventually wipes them out.

>>51305914
>2003 chapter approved
>Introduced savlar chem dogs, death korps, elysian drop troops and armageddon ork hunters and gaunts ghosts rules for IG
>Feral Ork army list
>Kroot mercenary army list
>Without number tyranid armies
>deathwatch kill teams
>completely redesigned close combat rules
>codex corrections and FAQs
>in one fucking book

>>51306181
>The ranges in particular are painfully short on pretty much everything
Not really, for the most part they're comparable to our modern counterparts.
A lasgun has an effective range of 400m, a russ battlecannon 3k and the earthshakers 15km is decent for artillery.

>>51306185
>in one book
you do know those books were just a compiled year of chapter approved FAQs, Errata and additional rules from white dwarf, right?

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>>51306252
>15km is decent for artillery

>>51306252
>15km is decent for artillery
Not really. At 15km they're comparable to early 1960s artillery pieces at best. Modern howitzers typically have ranges significantly in excess of 20km often going as far as 60km with base bleed shells.

Imperial artillery is literally 50 years behind modern artillery in performance.

>>51306284
Yes, however what GW would do currently is release each section of those compiled rules 6 months apart as $15 epubs, with the army lists being padded out into $30 half-codexes and the rules changes would come in a separate supplement book.

>>51306324
As opposed to spreading single articles and sometimes almost mandatory rules updates out month-to-month for $8 a piece?

I love chapter approved, but don't act like it was an entirely benign thing.

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>>51306305

>artillery
>not using ballistic missiles from the other side of the planet
>when MAD isn't a problem because you're an interstellar empire

>>51305908
>>51306120
It's just an example anon, don't get to overly autistic about it, bloody fucking hell.

>>51306376
Trouble is you often kind of want/need whatever the enemy is squatting on. Not much point to winning the war if in doing so you end up destroying all that sweet machinery/manpower/tax base in doing so.

>>51297746
ow :(

>>51302662
>heavy

The hell are you comparing it to? The M-16 is by any objective standard a lightweight rifle.

>>51305136
Assault rifles have not changed much because they already work fine. Firearms in general are a very mature technology. Its nothing but ignorant nonsense to pretend there are massive problems with the AR-15 design.

>>51298628
Shit, I'm 24 and I do too.

An Inch being roughly comparable to the last joint of a human thumb, and other proportions corresponding to other imperial measurements, if you know that it's a good system to work with if you're making a complete set of components for a simple relatively high-tolerance machine like an ox cart or a crossbow..

>>51307055
* without measuring tools I mean

>>51306689

>Don't get overly autistic

Where do you think you are?

>>51305252
>Everything we see is not actually how it is in 'reality'.

So basically, none of the representations of this fictional universe represent how stuff is really suppose to look like, hm? So...Well, how it IS suppose to look like?

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>>51296279

>>51307173
If yer gonna troll, at least be grammatical.

>>51307015
>The hell are you comparing it to? The M-16 is by any objective standard a lightweight rifle.

Oh look, another fat civilian who has never had to carry a 100 pound pack on 8+ mile runs while also having a rifle banging around on a shoulder. Tell me more about how the weight you read on Wikipedia is negligible.

>>51310983
There is no need to get offended and throw insults around like a child because someone called you out on a misleading statement.

The M-16 is light for a combat rifle, that is a fact. If you wanted to say something else you should have made it clear.

>>51310983
I-I'm trying to imagine the modern american military requiring one to carry a hundred pound ruck...I-I just can't see it....
And, while humping that hundred pounds, you still have the wherewithal to notice a 'heavy' rifle?! Seems a bit odd, no? Cause I remember hundred pound ruck marches from 30 years ago, and yet I don't recall ma rifle being heavy......ma m-16 rifle.......no, not heavy like my rucksack. What is it, 7 pounds fully loaded? Come on!
Now, I do recall that the m249 was a bit bitchy, but that's 'cause of all the ammo boxes....

>>51306703

Not that it stops the Imperium from using it.

I believe they mention two Death Strikes on opposite ends of the world of Armageddon contributing to a battle elsewhere on the world.

>>51298045
>>51298251
>>51298590

Plenty of Tyranids with guns have huge internal air sacks and to fire their weapons they have a fucking spasm or some shit and shoot out the shit-beetles they use for ammo. This is why Tyranids have vents coming out their backs.

Or something like that. so maybe that is why they weight so little, sacks of air, no need for lungs or stomachs, real organs, etc

>>51312014
Aren't they supposed to be chimneys to release spores or something?

>>51312088
yes, ths chimneys are usually mentiones as being for spores, or cor cooling.

Though some of their guns are air powered. Most are just described as directly muscle powered, or are railguns.

>>51306689
>I was wrong, b-but you're autistic

>>51295818
Look at the torso sizes and tell me that shit is even close to the same scale.

>>51288465
This. A thousand times this.

Or, in 40k scale, a hundred million million times this.

>>51312586
of course its the same scale. the demonicaly enhanced evil ubermensch is just even huger than the regular ubermensch

>>51312755
Thats a cop out. Look at the length of the legs. Did the armor just magically get 50% bigger as well?

>>51293056

Materials tech aside, if the Imperium had any idea how to design a vehicle, it would be an order of magnitude more durable in combat.

>>51301271

40k Tanks fire almost exclusively HE or, being generous, HESH. The vanquisher had to be specially designed just to functionally deploy AP shells.

>>51312768
>making new armour is imposible

it's not a cop out its just the truth, and whats expected when talking about that kind of thing.

>>51312969
Ah so right when those dudes switched into their demonically possessed form they just slapped on the new armor? The Gal Vorbak were not always in possessed mode 24/7.
>the truth
lol

>>51312954
the standard battle cannon has AP shells as well as incendiary and the rare hunter guided shells.
Vanquisher is APFDS with an admantium penetrator.

>>51313003
>switched into their demonically possessed form they just slapped on the new armor
well if you got bigger wouldn't you?

>>51313163
Who the fuck would volunteer to help possessed traitor space marines into their new armor

>>51313184

Devoted Cultists for one.

>>51288400
average space marines should be seven feet tall IN ARMOR as it was previously. this fetish for gigantism is fucking stupid.

>>51305794
Thanks.
So it would be huge and fast, I guess.
Also, I imagine that it would have to grip itself to the ground in order to attack anything, be it as a melee attack or shooting anything that would generate strong recoil, luckly it has a lot of legs

>>51313371
it's not so light that it'll float away.
it won't need to grip the ground to attack.

>>51313003

Power armor becomes the demon's skin. If you knew anything about 40k you'd know this. You'd think the fact that parts of it is growing teeth and horns would tip you off, or the fact that it's cracked in places it didn't grow fast enough to fit the now larger daemon marine.

>>51313417
Maybe the recoil part is a bit off, but wouldn't it lose it's balance, or at least push itself back if it tried to cut through, say, a Titan plating, without a firm grip to the ground?
Alternatively, it could grip itself to the target itself.

>>51313705
its weight would be sufficient. Its still 50 tonnes and stands on pointed limbs that would dif into the ground, there's going to plenty holding it still.

>>51298045
>Despite it being said to have the ability to wreck tanks and what not with it's talons, it in fact weighs less than the Leman Russ and the Predator Tank
Well yeah, its not a machine. Still weighs more than a sperm whale by a fairly large margin.

>>51305136
>We need brand new gun designs every decade. Yeah that't not retarded or wasteful.

>>51313838

M1911 masterrace

>>51289038
>drive me closer i want to hit them with my sword

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>>51293283
Titans wasn't bad. It's just dead

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>>51314149
Shame too since it was a pretty fun game.

Are the people who sperg out over marines not being 7 feet tall manlets?

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>>51313678
Proofs? Because I never recall reading about marines becoming taller just because they entered the demon possessed form.

>>51298244
Alright, some casual Googling and it sounds like WWII tanks were about the same as or slightly worse than 40k tanks in terms of equivalent armor thickness. That still doesn't change the fact that modern tanks are way the fuck better than them in both speed and armor, as mentioned in >>51296298

>>51296279
Metric internally, Imperial for press releases.
Some Senator was butt hurt over NASA using metric in its scientific reports so a scientist trolled back by converting things to shit like "fathoms per fortnight".

>>51305881
>Europe
>Lacking competence

If anything I'm more confident in the average European soldier than the American one.
Cousin worked as what would be a marine rifleman, said he never saw developed countries' soldiers as shitty and immature as the ones coming from the US, even though they had a metric fuckton of funding and resources in comparison to them.

But then again, these dudes were Marines, and from what I heard, it's not exactly the best branch of the military.

>>51314422
we don't have equivalent armour thickness values for 40k tanks.
We have actual thickness values, of plasteel or other fictional materials.

>>51301175
>whole post
Citation?

>>51297967
yeah the Battle Cannon is a 12cm barrel. I remember passing by a Reddit Thread of 40k fluff that makes them livid, and one guy was having a go at the Battlecannon and LemanRuss hull, and how they should not be compatible/used since more realistically modern weapons easily penetrate a LR's hull.

on a side note a Leman Russ can carry 40 rounds, which I find believable

Given the sheer hulking size of 40k's lore, it's not hard to find inconsistent measurements.

That being said, I always liked how Space Marines, despite being warrior monk super-human pauldron-clad monsters, still retained their "Marine" heritage. They use up-gunned IFVs instead of dedicated main battle tanks, like the Imperial Guard. Strategically they're used much like US Marines are used by the US armed forces as well.

>>51315212
Leman Russ battle tanks are tractors with unobtanium armor plating. That's literally what they are. The Baneblade is more of a proper tank, but it's called the dark age of technology for a reason

>>51296170

Sure, to compensate for the fact that everything you're fighting is huge.

>>51314422
>>51315311
I don't know why other people would consider 40k tanks better than Modern tanks? They were based on WW2 tanks and even in texts they are not the best, just viable. While the Modern Party forgets that tech in 40k, with the exception of some of the high tech/archeotech, is generally shiieet.

like everytime 40k vs Modern tanks pop up the pic (might as well be a sticky at this point) that almost always comes up is >>51296298

It's a loop that will last forever

>>51314760
Well, the front of a Leman Russ is 14 armor, which is basically enough to say "fuck you" to just about anything short of a D weapon. So it's pretty god damn tough.

>>51315429
40k tanks are technologically inferior, arguably on purpose. When you're fighting a galactic war and you're hampered severly in the R&D department, having 40 million tractors with guns and bolted on armor is better than having 5 million competent battle tanks.

Also, Abrams can't do shit against Plastisteel or Ceramite.

>>51315484
>Also, Abrams can't do shit against Plastisteel or Ceramite.
This is nonsensical since weapons that are equivalent to modern weapons routinely destroy 40k vehicles.

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>>51315429
>>51315484

It's worth noting that designing them to be anything other than expendable and somewhat primitive is also likely due to no amount of armor or sophistication being adequate enough to stop some of the rampaging beasts or warmachines the Imperium may encounter.

Really, what is the point in producing an extremely sophisticated warmachine for your general armies when it's just going to have chunks teleported out of it (Orks), be shredded by Warp vortexes (Eldar), diced up like a fruit (Necrons), be subverted by scrap code (Chaos) or any other number of bizarre means of destruction?

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How much would you pay for FW grade truescale Astartes/Imperial Guard? Truescale anything?

>>51315799
I wouldn't, because "true" scale looks ridiculous next to the rest of the game pieces, vehicles especially.

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>>51315484
>Also, Abrams can't do shit against Plastisteel or Ceramite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

And then we started dusting off our blueprints for atomic shells after finally discovering a use for them.

>>51315799

I'd be happy if they just shrunk down all non-Space Marine humans and maybe the Eldar.

>>51315799

The same price I pay for their non-truescale shit.

>>51293056
Considering the old rule books always said "equivalent to X amount of RHA" it's not really and stronger than a T54.

>>51296201
>Not realizing that America could do with math done on pads and paper what no other country can do now with supercomputers.

You would think it gets boring being so much better than the rest of the planet but it really doesn't.

>>51315789
>It's worth noting that designing them to be anything other than expendable
yes, I did forget to mention that 40k need to be logistical cheap, in order to sustain the many warfronts, but I thought that could go without saying

>>51315170
autocannons have been stated to be equivalent to modern tank guns in a few edditions of the rulebook.
Battlecannon is a large autocannon and would be of comparable calibre, a bit smaller than the 132mm earthshaker.
It has largely the same kinds of ammunition available as modern tanks and in novels has similar performance in russ vs russ as abrams vs abrams.

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>>51316659
>autocannons have been stated to be equivalent to modern tank guns in a few edditions of the rulebook.
If by a few editions you mean rogue trader and by modern tank guns you mean "twentieth century tank guns" which realistically, given that it was written in 1987 by british nerds, means world war 2 tank guns.

Pic related would be an autocannon according to 1980s GW.

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OP here. I'm so sorry for all of this. It wasn't my intention.

I just wanted some cool pics

>>51315969
no they didn't.

There's been one mention of conventional steel that was unspecified as to our or imperial conventions. But that's sinxe been retconned out in newer editions of the books.

>>51317154
well yeah, no one thinks it means the man portable autocannon is equal to the 120mm on an abrams. Its equivalent too the ~50mm guns light tanks used in the 80s or 90a.

>>51317461
Leaving us with literally nothing to campare with real life.

o.k even assuming tthat 'conventional steel' is not the same thing as the steels in our world are you really going to tell us that the difference is that huge?

>>51317528
considering they routinely build impossible structures or mechs out of it I'm thinking probably.

and ok sure we have no hard comparison numbers given. but we can still infer apoximations because many modern weapons have equivalents in the imperial arsenal.

>>51317485
Given that weapon patterns vary and that the sizes of autocannons vary significantly from type to type I'd call the typical S7 AP4 autocannon any kind of gun with a caliber between 20-50mm.

>>51305730
In 2008, an Abrams drove over a command detonated mine made from 16 artillery shells daisy chained together with det cord. The tank was lifted 4 meters into the air, and crashed back to earth. The turret had lifted off the mantlet, and moved 3 teeth over, which caused the computer system to not recognize that the turret was pointed straight, which made the driver's console continually instruct him to watch for obstacles to the left.

The tank was able to return to base under its own power, and while the tankers suffered back pain, hearing loss, and concussion symptoms, none was seriously hurt.

The Abrams tank, in that configuration, weighs 74 metric tonnes.

>>51314382
>hulking out doesn't make the hulk bigger
M8 it's a narrative convention. When people in fiction enter their superpowered rage form they become larger.

>>51305340
>Slope visible on the model
>having enough effect to negate a 900 mm deficit for HEAT (IE plasma weaponry) or a 600mm deficit for KE weaponry
pick one.

>>51288400
I find the biggest problems to be with Titans. Though I think it is most people not getting a memo.

>>51317567

We frankly don't know what it means, but there's so much qualifiers when it comes to RHAe figures that it's not that easy to generalize. Especially as people tend to quote them without paying attention to that context. They're at most a rule of thumb, not a hard and fast absolute. 365mm of base armor for a heavy IFV isn't all that crazy, especially as it's ALL AROUND the Land Raider (whereas most modern combat vehicles concentrate on the frontal arcs.. and on tanks the turrets wheras the other palces focus mostly on shaped charges or leave it far less armored.)

Armor penetration as a rule is incredibly complex (which is why the 'equivalencies' are a rule of thumb) and involve all maner of mechanisms and tricks to stop or disrupt attacks (you can use rubber like in NERA/NxRA 'bulging' armor, to stop both shaped charge and even KE attacks, for example. Since material strength is largely irrelevant for APFSDS or shaped charges, it's more about the ways you can disrupt/destabilize or otherwise mess with the penetrator (ERA and composite both work on these principles.)

sloping for example actually stops being as useful after a certain point because the impacts can get so powerful that armour starts to behave like a liquid when shot by tank shells.


tl:dr you would be supprised at just how well a modern tank can pen stuff.

>>51314636
Yeah... Marines tend to be America's military pitbulls. Mistreat us, underfeed us, generally treat us like shit so that when things go to hell, we rip and tear like no others. That said, they haven't figured out how to turn that off fully, which is why Friday night at the barracks is a dangerous thing. Thus why I'm in my room on 4chan debating fictional facts about fictional tanks on a Ukranian toothbrush manufacture forum.

>>51289232
Because even a 8ft tall super-man would duck when the bullets start flying.

>>51318252

YOU BETTER SECURE THAT SHIT DEVIL, RAH?

>>51318816
DEBBIL I WILL KNIFE HAND YOU SO HARD YOUR TWINK BROTHER WILL START BLEEDING

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>>51288568
Space Marines are 8' tall.

>>51298770
Maybe it was a marinelet.

>>51298770
Perhaps you're thinking of this?
>51318979

>>51318979
7', mate. Take a closer look at the scale.

>>51297889

Wait, is this tank a real thing? Like, can I buy this in lieu of Leman Russes?

>>51314760
I literally quoted a post with an image that mentions equivalent thickness for the land raider in the post you responded to.

>>51318885
>>51318816
This kind of crap is part of the reason I'm not reenlisting.

>>51306305
>1960s
The fucking 18 pounder had a max range of 6km in 1914.

>>51314477
To be fair Space programs would probably benefit from creating a set of measurements specifically for space.

>>51314636
That is consistent with the historical european opinion of the US military.

>>51314477
>fathoms per fortnight
Holy shit my sides

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>>51319278
Actually, no.

Metric is perfectly good for space. There are a few very specific measurements that already exist, like parsec and light year, that can are derived from "non-metrical" bases... but they can be converted to metric (or to furlongs) if you need to.

Decimal time would be nice, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

Otherwise, yeah. Metric is fine.

>>51319398

Metric is great for space. What it's not great for is real life. Seriously, measuring something in either hundreds of centimeres or single digit meters?

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>>51318252
>>51318816
>>51318885
If you fuckers could figure out how to STAND I'd give you a lot more credit and sympathy.

Look at this. Did anyone else see this at the inauguration? It's goddamn disgrace.

>>51319409
>Seriously, measuring something in either hundreds of centimetres or single digit meters
isn't any hassle at all, metric is easy to use and especially good for everyday life because its easy to convert between units in your head.

Also decimetres (1 10th of a metre) are a thing if you really want an in between unit.

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>>51319409
Meh, it seems to work just fine. I don't really buy "intuitive use" as an excuse, considering it's purely a training and adoption thing. Decimal splits are just as intuitive as sixteenths and thirty-seconds if you've grown up with them.

>>51301108
152 and 155mm are far more common, and are far more practical, though.

Most "modern" 203mm guns are just Cold War era relics.

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>>51288898
>measuring space marines
>not using IMPERIAL units

>>51319503
Each Space Marine is exactly 0.98 Cato Sicariuses tall.

Good enough?

>>51310983
You sound like a whiny faggot, to be honest. Or a fucking POG who didn't do any of that shit and is just talking out of their ass.

>>51319412
Combat ready units never pass inspection

Inspection ready units rarely pass combat

>>51319418
>>51319409
For daily life, it honestly doesn't matter what system you use, because units of measurement are arbitrary.

Metric gets used in science because of the easy math, the ability to scale, and the fact that it's capable of relatively simple conversions for different kinds of measurement. It's a great system for that.

But in daily life, the best system is the one you already know how to use, because you're practiced with it.

>>51313184
That's why you have servitors, anon

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>>51319547
Marines rarely pass anything except the buck and the clap.

I think a lot of people have some pretty big misunderstandings of soldiers. I can only really speak of American soldiers, but the idolizing of them means people don't really understand how they function as much.

Indeed, one of the biggest misunderstandings I see all the time is that soldiers are more motivated than the average civilian. I'd argue the reverse: soldiers tend to be far less motivated in general, for all sorts of reasons. However, the big difference here is that while soldiers might not always be motivated, they continue to operate at the same efficiency when things get shitty as fuck. Sure, the civilian group will usually do better when things are all good while the soldiers will be bitching, moaning, and generally accomplishing the task with something not quite the minimum but certainly friends with it.

However, you take that same task and remove food, sleep, showers, and basically all the creature comforts most people expect and the civilians are going to fall apart at the seams. Meanwhile, the soldiers are going to be over there, bitching and moaning as they accomplish the task with something not quite the bare minimum of effort.

Being a soldier isn't about doing the best job, all the time, it's about being able to do the job even when you hate every single person and thing that exists.

>>51319598
Haha. Fucking counselings. Literally just ticking off a checklist once a quarter. Nobody ever reads those damn things.
>>51319412
Yeah... I have no clue what the fuck is going on there. I swear, poolies can look better than that.

>>51319565
Imperial is objectively better for daily life measurements than metric. Metric's just better for conversion, which is still an issue in day to day life.

For science, the actual units don't really mater that much, and the ease of conversion in metric is still helpful.

But for day to day use, they follow different philosophies. Imperial picks the most useful units for measuring the types of things we interact with in day to life, and to hell with easy conversion. Metric picks one useful unit, and then everything else just falls where it might.

Meters are a really good unit for measuring distance. How far away you're standing from someone is best measured in meters. Measuring floorspace is something else. Things like that. Meters are perfect for that. That's why imperial has a meter equivalent, the yard. And the yard is used for those things.

But the yard is pretty shitty for measuring say, height. A person's height, or the height of a table, or a dresser, or a lamp. Feet are the most convenient unit for measuring things that range roughly in human height. Because of the size range humans are, the objects we make to occupy with tend to be within a general size range, and objects in that size range tend to be described in size conveniently with feet. For smaller, hand held objects, or for getting into the nitty gritty with the space between feet, inches are a convenient unit of measurement.

Imperial units aren't arbitrary. They're the sizes they are because the things we interact with can be easily described by those measurements. This is at the cost of having easy conversions. Metric has one non arbitrary unit, every other unit is just that because it's the base unit divided by an arbitrary number, 10. Some metric units happen to be useful, centimeters are actually pretty good.

In an ideal world, we would use base 12, and not base 10. The meter would be kept as the base unit, but with common names for 1/3 meters, and for 2 of the new centimeters.

>>51319603
Yeah, this is pretty on point. When shit gets too comfortable, there seems to be some ingrained rule that we have to go fuck it up so it sucks a bit more. I can say that I can do my job just as well in an air conditioned room with a hot cup of coffee in my hands as in a tent in below freezing temperatures, three days no sleep. And I'll be bitching about both, either way. Army tends to bitch a bit quieter in garrison, Marines? We have no 'indoor voice' as it were.

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>>51319627
>Nobody ever reads those damn things.

This being the Marines, I don't think there's a lot of reading going on in general.

>>51319672
Yeah... In training I had to explain to my instructor why it was important to ground equipment that posed a significant risk of electrocution due to either lightning strikes or a surge (which is common when running on generator power, or off of a vehicle). Then had to explain the basic electrical rules behind circuits. I've been blasted for speaking too intelligently and for using complicated words. These words being ones requiring more than two or three syllables.

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>>51319784
In a few years, you're going to get blasted for using cutlery or reading without moving your lips... or your finger.

Heaven's guarded by Marines because nobody can convince the poor dumb fucks that a) their weapons all stayed on Earth, b) all the devils are in Hell, and c) their discharge paperwork will never arrive.

>>51319808
I always wondered how that worked... Does Saint Peter look up from his post like a bored OOD and say something like "Another Marine? CIF is down to the left, you'll get your gear and report for PT tomorrow morning at 0430?" and there you go, an eternity of doodling dicks on the wall and watching for insurgent demons?

>>51289232
Marines are seven feet in armour.
Guardsmen are over six feet out of armour.
I think the scale work perfectly.

>>51315789
not to mention that of the 1,000,000+ worlds in the imperium many are behind the curve technologically, so having a tank as simple and reliable as the Lemen Russ increases the number of worlds that can produce them. any planet with metallurgy and proper instruction can make an LR. I'm pretty sure bronze ones have popped up in the fluff somewhere

>>51315989
No, it's just that we have more important things to be spending our national budgets on. Like, for example, actually giving a shit about our citizens.

>>51317971
>16 artillery shells daisy chained together with det cord
Holy shit, you'd expect this to be overkill against basically anything, but no

>>51317154
>Written by 1987 book nerds
>Royal Ordinance L/7 in usage since 1960s
>Rheinmetall 12cm L/44 in usage since 1979
Lolno.

>>51320785
I think you're underestimating just how much emphasis there would have been on WWII when those people were growing up. Virtually everyone older than them would have been involved in the war in some way, whether in the armed forces or getting bombed at home, there would have been bomb sites that hadn't been cleared yet (some of them with actual bombs in), and a lot of boys' media was WWII themed - Commando Comics, for example, was enormously popular was was entirely about WWI and WWII (and was so popular it's still in print today).

It's fairly likely that when they sat down and said 'what's a cool gun/tank we can use as a base?' their first thoughts would be WWII-era equipment that they'd seen in comics and built Airfix kits of.

>>51319503
*British Imperial

>>51321062
And I think you're underestimating the thought behind early 40k writings. The modern renditions of armor values are just that, modernly written by people with no vision or knowledge, while earlier writings went into almost painful detail to describe how flak armor was a three-part layer of various materials designed to defeat various threats. The Battle Cannon, most likely, isn't even a nod to modern gun, but most likely a nod to the 12cm L11A5 used on the older Chieftain tank.

The designs themselves are a mixture of historical and contemporary inspiration. Not everything is World War II. That's why the Valkyrie resembles a Hind, and why Leman Russ resemble a Char 1 or Mark 1 tank.

>>51302662
If you consider an m16 heavy you only hated being in the military because you are a colossal pussy.

>>51305136
You have reached the peak if ignorance in that you have heard some small things and failed to think about them. You spout tired clichés with no truth. You should die.

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>>51321605
>"Keep projecting, Amerifat"
>Posts pic mocking Europe's migration crisis

>>51321605
>that filename
keep dreaming, gramps

>>51321605
>projecting
>implying that America has a bigger immigrant problem than Britain
>posts a picture of Farage, a guy who loves Trump, loves freedom of speech, and is more American in ideology than most Americans

How's that British education system working out for you? I'm torn between being sad about Rotherham, and somewhat relieved that, no matter what else happens, those thousands of girls will never have to get the "education" you got.

>>51302662
>taking hours to clean an M16
>heavy

Consider the following: you're a giant pussy, and/or a blithering idiot.

No, they're not realistic. 40k is basically WW1/WW2 in space. The vehicles are designed to reflect this.

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>>51322951
>>implying that America has a bigger immigrant problem than Britain

only one of these countries had to build a fence to keep out illegals, and is about to spend 20+ billion on a wall :)

>>51323156
>only one of these countries had to build a fence to keep out illegals, and is about to spend 20+ billion on a wall
At least our immigrants don't wage an ideological holy war.

>>51323156
No, it's free. Mexico is paying for the wall.

>>51323182
>what is trying to change the language of the US to fucking spanish
>>51323194
No they won't. There's no reason for them to and there's no leverage to make them.

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>>51323182
they just take over your country instead.

>>51323194
of course they are pedro :)

>>51323194

Why would they ever do that?

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>>51323231
>what is trying to change the language of the US to fucking spanish
>>51323235
>they just take over your country instead.

>>51323235

That image still has 'White' as the single largest group (Especially when it mentions that people of multiple races are just shoved in Other)

>>51323244
Because Donny likes to pretend he can negotiate but he couldn't even negotiate a Bruce Springsteen COVER band to play his inauguration.

>>51289049
I hope I do not live to see the first manned exploration of Pluto and beyond.

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>>51323257
60% lol

>>51310983
I've served in a European amphibious recon squad and I rucked with an up to 130 lbs pack as a radio man along with an 11 lbs rifle. At other times I had a 100 lbs ruck along with a 25,5 lbs machine gun (ammo excluded). During combat exercises I usually carried my personal equipment, 22 lbs of food and water and at least 500 rounds of 5.56.

Just saying, the M16 is light considering all the nations that do not use M16/M4 style weapons.

>>51323433

Who'da thunk that a nation founded on immigration might end up a bit mixed.

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>>51323468
>'a bit mixed'
>nearly half the pop isn't white

>>51323504

And? That means that yes, it is mixed. I'd harder to say that say, Italy with it's 91% white isn't very mixed.

>>51297948

M1 does not have 1.300mm of armor... thats relative armour due to slopping, its more around 300mm as well

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>>51319869
General Mattis pops up to heaven during his free time to give St. Peter a hand, by special dispensation from God.

>>51319078
Outside of armor they are 7 feet. The armor adds a foot since it's about six inches of plating and shock absorber under the feel and Light Armor Vehicle plating above the head.

>>51319398
Yeah but metric is all derived from earth-related measurements

Like isn't a meter some fraction of the distance between Paris and the North Pole? that doesn't make sense for space. ain't no Paris in space

>>51291439
I like your explanation and concur it looks cool, but if anything a somewhat more "realistic" scaling could look way better in my opinion.

For titans I myself am inclined to take forgeworld as a defining factor and disregards most of the "tall as a mountain stuff". Within a university of silly stuff it's too silly for me (I'm weird that way); I think everyone that loves the 40k setting is that way.

>>51297889
> CG model 2010

*sobbing intensifies*

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>>51323876
No matter what, the base unit is going to start out as an arbitrary value. You can express a meter as some fraction of the distance light travels in a second, but that's a moot point.

There's no "true" measurement out there. Everything is based on human perception and human arbitrary choices.

Metric's power is the connection and ease of conversion between all the different systems: weight, distance, energy, force, etc.

>>51323876
>The metre is defined as the distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299 792 458 seconds.[2]

But to give you credit, it used to be a part of distance between equator and northpole

>>51324006
What the fuck is that gif?

>>51324019
On Paris meridian to boot.

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>>51324038
Look up "Dolly Zoom"

>>51324019
And since seconds are also arbitrary, it's a moot point - it doesn't become any more "non-human".

>>51324137
>And since seconds are also arbitrary, it's a moot point - it doesn't become any more "non-human".
arguing about this is a moot point, the universe doesn't need units, but we kind of do

>>51312768
>Did the armour magically get 50% bigger as well

That is a demon possessed marine so, possibly?

>>51319643
You do realise the only reason you find imperial more natural is because its the system you are most familiar with right?

Speaking as a person who grew up with the metric system and only learnt the imperial system after getting into tabletop games I find the imperial system easier for estimation due to the units being based off of parts of the human body. However I do think it is ridiculous to use it for anything requiring any sort of precision as the metric system is far superior in that regard with its smaller unit sizes and the ease of conversion between them.

>>51323235
Those are all hardworking latino qts. I'm not seeing a problem.

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>>51297889

>>51296201
Still haven't match it 50 years later. You obviously don't give a fuck about anything there kid. Probably should start to, so that you can actually matter.