Top tier fortifications

>>51261164
Yes we are all for/tg/uys here.

>>51261164
Got any modern fortification stuff? I can never find guides on how to do stuff like that on /k/ or other places.

>>51261164

There best be many star fortresses in your collection or i will be disappoint.

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Unfortunately the posting interval seems longer here

>>51261181
Now that's a fort.

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>>51261214
I'm sorry, the whole set is only old stuff, with some 18th century buildings as exeptions.

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>>51261233
You will not be disappoint.

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>>51261233

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This posting interval is killing me

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>>51261233

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>>51261233

Who playing a fortdnd atm?

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>>51261233

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I'm stopping for now, the slow posting interval is annoying me a lot

Stellar forts>medieval castles.

Great thread.

>>51261234
That still there, d'ythink?

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>>51261716
It is, a bit damaged of course. Pretty amazing if you consider the fact that it's been in use as a functional fortress from the pre-gunpowder era till the post-nuclear era.

>>51261715
What do you mean? That one's functionally better than the other? Or aesthetically? Because regarding the former: that makes no sense because they were built with completely different defense strategies in mind, from different times. And the latter: star forts are beautiful, but on the other hand a mountain peak castle has it's own charm as well.

>>51261865

Aesthetical. I guess my problem is that star forts don't need a beautiful scenario, and most castles aren't bad but don't really have a BEAUTIFUL mountain under them

For example i like this: >>51261895

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>>51262032
Although I don't fully agree with it, your argument makes sense.

>>51262132
UGLY

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Contributing

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Well that's a first, thanks

>>51262156

Nigga that shit is fabolous. Sintra is the Jojo of castles.

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Any lurkers left?

>>51261181
10/10 would rain death down on enemies.

>>51261414
It's amazing that the giant pile of sand to the right, built by the besieging romans, is still there

>>51262421
I'm lurking. Not much use for me since nothing modern, but the history major in me loves it.

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>>51262431
I took this pic a couple of years ago, with the idea of capturing the sheer size of the walls compared to a touring car.

>>51262456
Connaisseur.

>>51262463
Glad you like it anyway.

>>51262498

>mfw Prince of Persia didn't exaggerate anything

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>>51262565
Yep.

This pic is a detail of this fortress:
>>51261521
Just have a close look at the walls and gates and imagine the fucking scale of that fortress. Btw, to get to the top of that mountain, you have to enter through a tiny gate, navigate through a pitch black labyrinth like tunnel with trap doors, gates, booby traps, underneath metal grills with fire and everything. Pretty neat.

This plays on some ideas that came out of the unfortunate modern fantasy thread a while back.

I'm trying to imagine in my mind a city as massive as newyork with a massive wall around it with whole towns built along it.

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This pic is another good example of relative scale

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>>51262565

This pic is the same fortress as this one:
>>51262709
But then from a different angle.

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Not what you mean, but impressive nonetheless.

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>>51262705
Wait, wait. If you like truly massive walls, check this out:
https://youtu.be/F8bJBnqLaz0

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It's not a big fort but it was never brecached

>>51261456
The Forbidden City was in some ways bigger than I expected and in some ways smaller. Lots of open space in the courtyards certainly helped play up the scale. Everywhere else where the craftsmen and workers would have lived were very small. Height wise wasn't so bad, think I only hit my head twice.

Walking back around the outside it seemed a bit smaller. Wait, that might have been because we didn't finish going all the way back to Tienanmen square. I think my mother got tired of walking and called for a cab.

Construction overall was top notch. They've done a good job of maintaining it, though you could tell in the more out of the way areas that everything was just plain old from how worn it was.
Would recommend visiting it for anyone who has the chance to do so.

>>51261632
I'm convinced this is a sandcastle someone shopped plants onto.

>>51262421
Yes, lurking.

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>>51262871
Thanks for your contribution. I've visited lots of fortifications, but the Forbidden City is still on my list.

>>51263013
A couple more for you then.

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This is really making me want to go and visit a load of these places

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>>51263329
Krak's a classic. It's deceptively massive. This pic illustrates the size of the walls.

>>51263454
I knew it was big, but not that big.

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>>51263454
Yeah it's huge - and, fortunately, it's built to last, though there's definitely been some damage done.

I'd love to go, if it's still there when the fighting dies down

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Nice thread, I do like some polyorcetique.

>>51262463
The most develloped example of modern fortifications would be the swiss network, I think.
Sadly for pictures, such works tend to be underground and/or camouflaged.
Here's an example. One of the blockhaus is camouflaged as a house, the other as a bunch of pines.

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>>51263476
I know. Imagine storming that thing with a ladder, good luck.

>>51263591
Me too. On the one hand it's such a pity that Krak and Aleppo's citadel are being damaged, but on the other hand it's interesting to see how good these structures resist 21st century weaponry.

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>>51263643
Detail.

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>>51262463
How modern is modern?

WWII is about as late as fortifications get, unless you want Cheyenne Mountain or HESCO bastions

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>>51262567

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>>51263643
>it's interesting to see how good these structures resist 21st century weaponry.
Yeah - they're not great for power projection any more, but they're helped by the fact that you don't really get people equipping their forces to beat castles any more


Pic related for fortifications that are impractical to destroy, but can't really do much - the WWII german flak towers

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>>51263858
Ah, flak towers. Excellent contribution, considering their almost medieval appearance.

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>>51263940
Yeah, they are reminiscent of much earlier fortifications - and are honestly quite crude, with the completely square towers and corners.
A late medieval castle architect would probably sneer at the design - until you told him about the materials and the guns.

>>51261390
I'm from that town, and used to live just below that monstrosity. It's funny because, big as it is, it sits buried atop a man-made hill, so you can't even see it if you are not on its ramparts. Never been taken by force, always fell to treachery or surrendered. Lots of people jog all along the walls, it's about two miles around. Lots of mosquitoes in the summer and dog shit all year round.

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This one's interesting as well. It's a castle/project in France being built this very day, with only building materials and techniques from back in the day.

>>51264102
Nice additional info, thanks.

Lurker here. Are you going to post Haut-Kœnigsbourg ? Maybe I missed it ?

>>51261164
Please dump until you have no more shit left to dump

Forts and castles are my jam

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>>51264181
Here ya go.

>>51264204
For me, OP, it's bed time... Sorry mate!

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Not really fortifications, but defensible nonetheless.

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>>51264172
I heard about that, I wonder how it's going

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>>51264249
Oh thanks. If you didn't plan to I would have posted some OC

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>>51264290

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>>51264312
Deceptive kid-looking siege tower.

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>>51264312
Please do anyway

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Ok, OP here, this was my last post, now I'm really off to bed. Thanks for contributions.

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>>51261650
Idk if you mind if I post some OC of things you post. French guy here

>>51264249
Same architectural style as Fluch Von Novgorod, interesting...

>>51264249
I wonder if they used to cut the trees. You can't see shit with a forest like that. Someone knows ?

>>51264461

If they had any brains they did, letting trees grow up next to your wall is just begging for trouble, you need a clear killing field.

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Really enjoying the mix of European, near Eastern and Indian fortification that make up this thread. Nice variety and its fascinating to see the cultural differences.

Now with that have some North American fortifications

>>51264500
Yeah that's what I thougt. But it's on some mountain, it must have been pretty hard to regularly cut the trees around ? Maybe you want to leave some because it's harder to besiege in a forest ?

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>>51264515
man the slope on this thing is a bitch to climb up, especially with the snow we've been having

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Contribootan

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>>51264538
couldn't find much in the way of its actual full extent, but it does cover a decent part of the peninsula its on

>>51264536
>>51264461
They almost certainly cut the trees down for firewood or somesuch, but even if they didn't have an actual use for them, they would have cleared them to have a clear line of sight, avoid fire risk during a siege, and prevent the enemy from having anything to easily make siege engines from on the spot.

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That place was great, but really vertigo-inducing.

>>51262421
i havent got anything to contribute, but i am enjoying this quality thread immensely

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Italy can into castle!

(this is the bizzarelly "designer-made" Castel del Monte in Puglia, full chocked of eerily beauty and alchemical/mystical correspondances ready for you game)

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Now for something a little more... hrm, conanesque, I'd say. Or at least more ruins/somewhere to find that crazy old wiseman your adventurers have heard of.

Rocca Calascio, Abruzzo.

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Miramare, Friuli, near Trieste. Nor really a military building, being some XIX century thing, but I see Chenonceau over there.

I guess this could be your steampunk duke hyper-villa far from the polluted city; it even has a sea reserve now, IRL. Hope whoever has it is luckier than the guy who built it and who apparently was a victim of the curse of the sphinx on the wharf...

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Castel Sant'Angelo, Rome.

On the ruins of Emperor Hadrian's mausoleoum in the middle of the city. Because if you're the pope, you can.

>>51262456
But the Romans didn't build it. They made their Jew slaves build it so they could slaughter the Jews at the top.
Of course all the Jews at the top committed suicide before the Romans could break through.

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Plymouth Citadel, still used as a military base to this day

>>51265889
It really tells you how metal the Romans were that people would rather die than be taken prisoner.

>>51262266
Maximum fucking comfy right there.

>>51264172
>>51264288
the BBC covers a building season on Guedelon in the the series "secrets of the castle"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv-DU51qTQWwaqzqS7ifVIg/videos

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Marostica, Veneto.

While now the upper part is a suburban wood, it actually is an example of a fortified city+agricoltural zone, to sustain longer sieges in the late medieval period. The chessboard in the city square is actually used to play chess with actors.

>>51265957

More like the jews were the ww2 japs of their time.

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Brisighella, Emilia Romagna.

Can a military building be elegant? You tell me.

>>51265957
There were *some* laws concerning Roman slaves. For example, masters were obliged by law to pay a small stipend - nothing like a salary, much less a living wage - to their slaves, and some craftier slaves managed to buy their freedom out. Cicero had some of his slaves as his best friends. Of course, that doesn't remove the fact that as far as Romans and their laws were concerned, slaves were pretty much mobile furniture.

That said, if you were a slave and were taken to one of the plantations, or even worse the mines, you were utterly fucked.

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Castello di Fenis, Val d'Aosta.

Yep, this time you need to see the interior. Something to really feel all arthurian and courtly love and all that.

>>51261214
Modern fortification is kinda impossible considering how prevalent artillery and air strikes are.

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Castel dell'Ovo, Napoli.

Go read about its legend(s)

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Rocca Scaligera, Lombardia.

I'll end with something unique: a castle on a lake with a fortified dock for naval warfare and sieges.

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Does art of a real castle count?

>>51261164
Isn't there a PDF on how castles function and how they were designed?

>>51266484
You mean like the osprey series?

>>51267669
I think? Can't recall the name.

>>51267700
You can try searching for one on castles in their Fortress editions. Then try finding that on bookzz.

>>51261571
That's incredible

Any of Prague Castle or Karlstein Castle?

>>51269321
oh shit hold up let me get my phone plugged in

>>51261164
I thought this was a picture of a pizza

Anon you are a cool dude

Thank you for the dump

>>51269321
>>51269537
of course I realize that the pictures of the castle are kind of... well... from inside the castle

here's some of what I took though make of it what you will

http://imgur.com/a/09r5X

>>51269856
Can't see the fortress for the trees, eh?

>>51261164
I'm saving every one of these OP, and you can't stop me.

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>>51261912
Not a fort, was just built that way due to the limitations of the materials used.

>>51261317
It kills all of us anon.

>>51261164
No proper battlements.
>>51261181
No merticulations.
>>51261205
Pretty cool.
>>51261223
Lots of moats but no defense against arrows or siege engines.
>>51261234
Damn that's impressive.
>>51261255
Barely a fort, but impregnable.
>>51261317
More of a palace.
>>51261571
These people clearly hadn't invented bows.
>>51261593
Decent for it's size.
>>51261650
Unassailable.
>>51261865
Now that's a proper castle.
>>51262016
Onimusha 3 nostalgia.

>>51261214
Modern "fortifications" are much more interested in mobility, modularity and adaptability. With, as >>51266232 says, preponderance of artillery and airstrikes, thick solid walls are much less helpful as they once were, and in several cases would be a liability.

That said, and depending on the purpose of the emplacement: barbed wire, caltrops, x-bar posts, traffic gates and guard posts, sentry towers, high sheet-metal walls, uneven trenches and tunnels and earthworks (like berms with machine gun mounts), are the type of thing modern military fortifications are most likely to include. In active war zones, camouflage and overhead cover come into play, otherwise military forces rely on presence, patrols, and numbers to deter attacks.

Groups who have not signed the Geneva Conventions are more likely to set up minefields around their more permanent fortifications.

Cameras are more likely nowadays than manned sentry towers, at least in certain countries. Typically they'll utilize active patrols and passive monitoring methods. Depending on the local environment, motion and IR sensors would be used, as well, both internally and externally. There's also going to be a lot of monitoring of local radio and telecomm frequencies, these days, too.

Eventually, we're gonna see more usage of drone cover, armed and unarmed, protecting locations, but heavy presence of that might be a decade away, and also would have to be coordinated with air traffic. These are concerns that modern facilities are already starting to struggle with, with no clear solutions as yet. In active conflict zones, the issues just get murkier.

There's probably other shit I blanking on, too. It's almost midnight here, and I was about to head to bed...

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OP can you put thhe 250 photo in a MEGA folder ? they are all ducking amazing

>>51264538
That was the idea.

Are any of these large/distinct enough that you can recognize them from outer space, the same as the Great Wall of China?

>>51268758
What is that one?

>>51271286
Google, nigger. Learn to use it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potala_Palace

>>51263643
Aren't most modern day weaponry basically just gunpowder/explosives? It makes sense that objects built out of solid stone can shrug off fire, but crumble under solid iron canon balls.

>>51271354
I didn't think googling "giant cliff castle" would give me the results I was looking for

>>51271098
Not sure if trolling. Stop saying you can see The Wall from outer space. Well, maybe you can if you zoom in, but otherwise you can't. It may be long, but it's only several meters in width. Can you see a football field from space?

>>51271415
Right click -> search google for this image

>>51271415
There's a fucking button right next to the fucking image that reverse image searches it you fucking retard.
If that's too easy, you can always just copy the image location and paste that into Google.
Wow. So fucking hard!

>>51271439
>>51271434
Oh, you're assuming I'm on a PC. There's the problem, you're an idiot.

>>51271457
Try not being a degenerate then

>>51271457
>mobilescum
Still not hard to reverse image search, fucking waste of space.

>>51271463
iPad is the only option til new parts arrive in the mail, negress.

>>51271414
Well you're right in the sense that a solid iron cannon ball will possibly do more damage than ordinary modern day lead rifle bullets. But modern explosives are chemically way ahead of old fashioned gunpowder, it's much more explosive, or the bullet can contain different stages for impact and further penetration. Apart from that, I doubt that these fortresses can withstand anti-bunker bombs.

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This might be interesting for those who've been wondering why star fortresses were built in the first place.

>>51271468
you know, visiting google images on safari mobile doesn't give the option to search by image. Still would have had to type in my best approximation of the image.

>>51271531
It's your fault for using a shitty browser on a shitty device for shitty hipster faggots.
Android mobile lets you reverse image search by just holding down your finger on the image.
Now fuck off. No one gives a fuck about your hurt baby feelings that people were mean to you on the 4chan.

>>51271550
>its only a model

>>51261214
Modern Fortification in form very basic. Today walled camps and bases are prevalent, but it is more of defense for small arms and as a part of the camp infastructure.

Modern day defense is focused on area denial. With massive areas monitored and troops are only sent in to secure or deny it. Most times ordinance play the key role with munitions having mind baffling range and power, it could deter most threats more and effective efficiently than any kind of fortification would.

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>>51271565

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>>51271583

>>51271563
You can't read, can you?
The iPad is temporary you dense cunt.
Nobody buys one for themselves, they're only given as gifts by technologically illiterate family members.
I hate this thing, too.

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>>51270700
>No merticulations
you fucking high?

>>51271583
Its fuckin adorable

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>>51271286
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>>51271531
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>>51271592
Niggas, please

>>51271527
But that's stupid, the people standing in the circles can just shoot directly into the "dead zones".

>>51271621
The circles wouldn't be open platforms. They'd have walls, which would make it difficult for the defenders to shoot straight down at the base of the walls. They need to be covered by adjacent towers

>>51271621
Star forts were designed for cannon fire. Aiming a cannn straight down is hard. With a star shape, as an attacker you're always exposed to flanking fire from at least 1 other side.

>>51271563
Wow, someone sure is butthurt.

Did your mommy forget to bring you a plate of tendies?

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>>51271621
This is basically the idea of the star fort. Possible gun fire in every distant as wel as close direction, all sides covered.

>>51271793
Well, it makes sense now.

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>>51271855
The nice thing is that from now on every time you see a star fort, you can draw those lines for yourself and be amazed. Some forts / star cities are almost incomprehensively complex.

>>51263858
These would be perfect for a post-apocalyptic setting. With the infrastructure to create and maintain heavy artillery gone they could really shine as fortifications.

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>>51272100

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>>51272100

>>51263643
>>51263591
I can't help but think that legit battle damage is the only worthy way for a fortress to go. Literally doing what it was made to do.

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Former home of the Dukes of Savoy

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>>51272375
There's truth in that, I guess.

>>51272489
>>51261865

Anyone got any fortified monasteries?
would be great if they were on a mountain as well

>>51272375
But it was built to survive battle.

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>>51272521
>>51262370
>>51264268

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>>51272521

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>>51272521

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>>51272521

And you could also consider these things as fortified religious buildings. Check the thread anon!
>>51261912
>>51262016
>>51268758

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>>51272521

>>51261205

This is in holland, near where I live.

So in this thread, which fortress would be the most difficult to capture? For example in pre-gunpowder era, with the defending garrison ~1/10th of the attacking force, enough food for both armies, no relief army.

>>51273092
>in pre-gunpowder era
That doesn't work for the ones that are specifically designed to work in that era

Most impregnable are probably some of the mountaintop fortifications, but most of them can be starved out fairly easily

>>51271595
99% sure he meant Machicolations - where you have the battlements stepped slightly out from the top wall and have holes that allow you to drop shit on people at the bottom without exposing yourself

>>51261164
>Top tier fortifications

I love city fortification research. It's all about how cheap and crappy they built their walls and towers and how they didn't give two fucks about a lot of stuff we deem natural in fortifications.

>>51263107
seems odd you'd link mdina and not valetta, the capital of malta, and also a giant fort

we are at image cap so i cant link

>>51273423
Could you elaborate on that? More specific
>they didn't give two fucks about a lot of stuff we deem natural in fortifications

>>51273423
What were you expecting? Minas Tirith?

>>51274498
Sorry, unnecessary attack. I see your point - how the walls are treated as another infrastructure project that drains the city's coffers so no one cares about the state of their repair until the city comes under actual siege.

>>51261354
Huh. I've been there. Neat.

>>51270831
Fuck off and take 5 minutes to save them if you like them so much.

>>51275186
How was it? Defensible?

>>51262284
That's pretty cool. Built before the Romans came,

>>51261563
What's that?

>>51264363
The earthquake rekt'd it for good, but it's much better now. I think I got some recent photos but image limit reached so not gonna bother looking for them, google has better ones anyways probably.

>>51270831
Or you could just use downthemall and three clicks.

>>51263749
Did all the stuff on the Atlantic wall ever end up actually doing them any good against Allied invasion?

>>51273275
>Machicolations
Yes I did, couldn't be assed to find the spelling for it.

>>51262284
Just had a look at this on google maps.

Be nice to go and visit, although I doubt there's much chance of that happening.

This is some great stuff. Thanks for dumping this.

>>51261255
I feel like if you can climb up the rocks, a wall is barely going to slow you down

>>51281077
Probably, but that wall gives the garrison something nice to stand on while they laugh at anybody who tries.

It'd suck to laugh so hard you slide off the side and die. So really, that wall is still keeping the owners safe, just in a different way to most walls.

>>51261164
Thank you for this awesome thread OP.

>>51261234
what's an aleppo?

>>51271531
why the fuck would you use safari instead of chrome

>>51282668
<_<

Have you ever seen a television program called The News?

>>51283549
Have you ever seen a third party candidate completely destroy his odds of winning?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKb2oiJluLk

>>51283951
>in_summary_our_world_is_doomed.png

Surprised nobody posted
>I'mfortifyingthisposition.jpg
yet.

>>51261164
Curse this Chinese Internet that lets me download pictures like it was 1997! You're doing God's work Anon. You've come home.

>>51273804
Dead zones were not a thing they cared about, neither were foundations. Like they didn't even bother to dig deep enough to protect the lower edge of city walls from being weakened by annual freezing and thawning.

>>51276064
>down the mall
???

>>51281077
As you're climbing the people on the wall can just pick you off with arrows, or hell, just throw rocks at you.

If you're from up high enough even a relatively small rock can do a lot of damage. If nothing else, it's a hell of a lot harder to climb with them bouncing off of your skull.

And plus, don't underestimate the effect of the people inside being able to pour boiling hot grease or oil down the cliff side. And a single flaming arrow.

>>51263858
>>51271914
I've heard there is a building like that in Hamburg, and that it is practically indestructable because of the amount of TNT you would need to break it apart, as it is made from very serious concrete, - it still stands today.

That might be why they are still around after the world ended, either everything else was blasted to dust in the nuclear holocaust, or they proved useless, because it was a virus that killed everybody.

>>51289102
>in Hamburg
Yeah, filename dude. Some of the smaller towers (L towers) have been taken down

But there's a couple of cities that have them - I think they were all convinced to surrender, actually taking them would be pretty hard - even Soviet 203mm mortars didn't do much.

On the other hand, they were surrounded by their burning cities, allied armies, and were running out of resources, so it's not like holding out would do much for them

Overall though, if you want an above-ground structure that's likely to survive a nuclear war and a near-miss, that's probably your best bet.

>>51272112
>>51263454
THICC

>>51289102
We still got three or four of them in Vienna. They're such a pain to take down that plans on how how to mask them after the war were drawn up right during initial planning.

>>51289676
Xi'ans walls are spectacular, yes.

>>51261414
walking the snake path is a blast. every shady corner is occupied by exhausted women while their boyfriends are tapping the ground impatiently nearby. Once you reach the top, exhausted and gratified then you briefly share eye contact with all the fat american tourists who just exited the sky lift because they were unable to walk up the path by themselves.

>>51275235
Not this Anon, but it it takes me a LOT longer than this. About a minute per file, if I get lucky and it manages to get through the damn Golden Shield. More often than not, I've to try and try again. A Mega folder would be no faster, but at least could just let it run in the background.

>>51291349
you can always save "page as" and just discard everything besides the image folder.

>>51288983
Really

That's what you read from that

Down Them All

>>51285280
Shush Dorn

Didn't think this thread would still be up. You guys really like your castles.

What's your favorite fortification word? I particularly ilke Counterscarp for some reason.

a fortuitous bump

>>51299346
We're only 27 posts from autosage anyway.

>>51296939
I like "Murder Holes". Not too fancy, and describe what they're intended to do nicely.

>>51296939
like >>51299399 said, simple terms are nice. Killing fields is my personal favorite term

Abatis are cool defenses in general, very simple defenses that can be made out of random bushes and would still be useful today if SHTF

>>51296939
I like studying castle designs. Gives me ideas to use in Minecraft, like MURDER HOLES. So when people ask me about the design aspects of my castles, I can point to them and say they're MURDER HOLES.

>>51301853
Wasn't there a book about how to build castles in Minecraft?

>>51265957
No, the jews were just batshit insane schizophrenic durkadurka retarded sandnigger towelhead suicidal crazies.

And then the Romans decided to turn a Jewish sect into the goddamn state religion.

NEVER
FUCKING
TRUST
AN
ITALIAN

>>51306857
Christianity was for jews and gentiles alike well before it became the state religion.

>>51272375
Oh, nature will kill that fortress within a couple hundred years if it's not being maintained. Structures need to be on the scale of the pyramid to exist "forever", and the only reason objects like the pyramids will be preserved after mankind goes extinct is because the pyramids will become buried in sediment and will survive underground away from water, wind, heat and frost.

>>51283951
Really, the main issue seems to be that he wasn't a Republican candidate.

Fuck, now I really want to play Mount & Blade Warband seiges.