Dinosaur thread

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Feathers

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Old thread:

>>51192799

Here's the first chapter of Age of Reptiles: The Journey.

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>>51247388

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>>51247380
what if raptors were as fluffy as owls?

>>51247426
ayy lmao

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>>51247705
Not sure what's up with those last couple pages. Maybe something got cropped incorrectly.

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>>51247835
That's it for Chapter 1!

We didn't get a character guide with this one, or at least it wasn't included in the scan.

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I'm designing a dinosaur tabletop game

So far it's a card based battle, board based positioning kinda setup.

I haven't settled on an theme or style yet, but here's one of my sketches of a juvenile rex.


If you could have a dino /tg/ what kinda features would you want?

I want to have three paths: Resource massing, population booming and territory expansion.

There is this idea for a super hero character involving a ghost raptor that I have been working on. Any Ideas on what i could add to the base concept?

>>51249831
>anything to add to the concept?

He's a ghost raptor? I have a suggestion.

How about start by explaining more of the idea, because I'm not quite sure I follow why a person would be a ghost AND raptor AND fight crime.

>>51249600
Some kind of changing environment would be fun.

Maybe the potential for a random megapredator like a hidden mosasaur or something showing up.

Natural disasters (flood, fire, etc.)

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>>51249885
Oh I absolutely want it to be a PvE game, with chance for Co-Op, competitive and dueling modes.

Been trying to visualize the gameboard first before I make any drastic decisions, but knowing which areas to focus on for gameplay certainly help.

I had even played around with the thought of having it be narrow scoped arena combat, with powerups, armors, weapons and such. It was just a suggestion my friend made as I was sketching some stuff down for the initial idea; unsure if I'd go down that path yet.... that would be a fun side project to work on though, I will admit.

Not for the game btw, but here's some more dino doodles


Changing terrain, weather, huge bosses; these are all things I would love to build around.

>>51247380
>bell bottom legs

No wonder the dinosaurs went extinct. They had shit taste in fashion.

>>51247426
I feel as if birds are natures equivalent of women who wear a shit ton of makeup. Take away all their makeup/feathers and you get a completely different impression than what you first had.

But on the other hand, they are also natures equivalent of a great personality is better than a perfect body.

>>51249873
Here are some things i Didn't include earlier:
Has Psychic powers, mostly of the throw cars with his mind variety.

Is still connected to his fossilized body and will lose his ability to be a ghost if its destroyed. Serves the super team in return for its protection.

Is very cynical due to being one of the post-impact generation of dinosaurs.

Where could I go from there?

>>51250501
Make him the second cousin of the direct ancestor of all modern birds.
Therefore he treats random birds with a mix of care and calling them lazy bums/trying to give them life advice that's a couple dozen million years out of date.
Except cassowaries, proud of those, live up to the family name.

>>51250773
Nice idea, could add a nice bit of humor to the campaign, especially if I imply his life tips for birds didn't work that well even when he was alive.

Something I saved from /tg/. One day I'll use it in a game.

http://goblinpunch.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/dinosaur-clerics-new-class.html
http://goblinpunch.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/imaginary-dinosaur.html
http://goblinpunch.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/after-his-burial-and-before-his-death.html

By default, dinosaur clerics worship Tyroganon Ferox, the Paradox Lord of the Infinite Boneyard. It's a misconception that Tyroganon Ferox is an evil god. Yes, he wants to bring back dinosaurs and destroy all mammals, but he is also a stalwart enemy of cruelty, undead, and death cults. And the mammal tribes who worship him are treated well, and some are even allowed to become dinosaurs themselves.

Tyroganon Ferox's still struggles to bring his children back from their extinction, and so his servants include pseudo-imaginary dinosaurs and shuddering time-paradox zombies. In the hallucinatory jungles of Mar Maroo, his savage tribes protect and ride their flocks of almost-real dinosaurs.

The Dinosaur Lord of Impossible History has been following the present timeline very closely. And although he doesn't technically exist in the current world--yet--his dinosaurs have been slinking along the timelines, devouring all the mammals along the unused timeways.

Few people realize how close they are to hungry dinosaurs at all times. Tyrannosaurs lurk only a few months behind them. Yesterday, ankylosaurs are angrily destroying their houses. And packs of deinonychus lick their lips and watch you from only a few minutes ago. Time travel isn't difficult, but the even travelling a few minutes into the past is dangerous, since you may find packs of sarchosuchus tearing up your kitchen.

Travel far back enough in time, and you may even bump into Tyroganon Ferox himself, who blocks out the sun while pterosaurs circle him crying out their praises. His children have trampled your dead heroes into the dust. The recent past is full of dinosaurs tearing down your cities and roaring triumphantly.

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>>51247426

>>51247860
how many of these are there ive read another one that centers mostly around a pack of velocorapters and a bunch of Trex

>>51252320
Same here anon. One day...

Dino-bump.

www.natureworldnews.com/articles/25204/20160714/what-roar-study-reveals-dinosaurs-cooed-birds.htm

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>>51263576

Did you know that the classic tyrannosaurus vs. triceratops fight would pretty much be a victory for the tyrannosaurus?

The triceratops skull (ceratopsian skulls in general) and horns weren't strong enough to gore tyrannosaurs. Even if the horn didn't snap off during the goring, the triceratops' skull and brain would get crushed by the weight of the tyrannosaurus falling onto its head.

Also, the amount of triceratops fossils give some indication their primarg defense against predation was breeding a lot.

The real cretaeceous fightclub was tyrannosaurus vs. ankylosaurus.

>>51255257
>how many of these are there

>Tribal Warfare (1993), posted last thread
>The Hunt (1996)
>The Journey (2009)
>The Body (2011)

I can post another chapter of The Journey tonight if people want it

>>51263723
>semicolong at the end of the line

DELETE * FROM 4chan.tg

>>51247380
>>51247426
>>51250044
sorry for asking but, whats with this feathered dinosaur stuff?

is it a meme or a fact? i have seen it sometimes but im not sure about this

>>51263576
What that nonsense fails to mention is that a crocodile's bellow is also a "coo".

>>51267842
Some dinosaurs had feathers, this is well established. There is circumstantial evidence that almost all theropod lines contained feathered dinosaurs by the Jurassic. Some people think this means that T-Rex was fluffy.

I doubt that he was fluffy for the same reason most large mammals aren't fluffy.

Baby T-rex was probably downy.

>>51263723
>Feathers
>Not cool

I haven't spent the last 5 years of my live getting a M.Sc in Zoology and then getting halfway through a P.hD in Geology to hear you faggots spout that shit

Aves Uber Alles
Yes We Birb
Theropods Unite!

>>51264731
It's newspaper notation, where everything is divided with commas, only the first two things are more closely related, and a bigger separator is needed between those and subsequent items.

Item 1 (compound) -- scientists defeated, dinosaurs cool again
Item 2 -- butter now healthy
Item 3 -- unicorns probable

Tl;dr: it's fine.

>>51268032
well then, why are they always portrayed as reptile-like without feathers? (its not that i dont like it, its that it intrigues me)

this feather stuff is something i have started to sea a few years from now, not since... like 1990, i mean, i grew up with the standard velociraptor not a fluffy one like the onse i have seen recently (recent years, not days heh)

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>>51268471
People think it looks cooler because when someone says "bird" they think "chicken" rather than "sharp-shinned hawk" or "bearded vulture."
Also it's hard to change many many years of tradition quickly, especially since "dinosaur" has "lizard" built into it via "-saur".
Besides, reptiles are just sexier than avians.

>>51268471

Because pop-culture and laymen portrayals move at a very different pace than the scientific ones?

We (the scholars working in this field) had the idea of feathers for 30 or so years, circumstantial evidence of feathers since the 90s, Direct evidence of feathers since the early 2000s, a literal mountain of observable specimens and taxonomic inferences nowadays.

But this stuff takes years to filter out into the public sphere. Mostly because people are comfortable with what their nostalgia tells them and unsure as to "how scientists can know"

And explaining how we know is hard, because Joe Average isn't gonna sit for a 3 hour lecture where you lay the foundation of Cladistic bracketing, how to distinguish synapomorphies, molecular analysis of fossil specimens, and how the gene clusters expressing integument differ within archosauria. So we have to trust in the "isn't this cool/neat!?" approach of pop-sci, which takes a while

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>>51268656
>reptiles are just sexier than avians
lol, thanks for clearing my doubs

so, do kobolds, lizardfolks and reptile aliens (those that supposedly live among us) should have feathers? i guess kobolds would stay out since they are draconic i think

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Do dinosaurs play any role in your world? If they aren't prevalent, do they at least exist?

In mine, Firenewts have been leading blitzkrieg-like attacks against major cities using carefully bred and trained dinosaurs as their mounts and siege weapons.

The Firenewts are natives of a nearby island, home of all dinosaur life. They heard of winged beasts, somewhat similar to dinosaurs, that can harness elemental powers on the mainland. Those being dragons. They hope that creating operation homes on the mainland will lead them to find dragon eggs to breed and use as war machines. They aren't aware of their intelligence yet, however.

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>>51268032
>>51268471
>>51268574
dinosaurs in popular culture aren't frequently depicted with feathers because it was only fairly recently found out that they had them

we can confirm that some of them did and theorize that, in fact, the majority did past a certain point in time

this was only confirmed well after thinks like Jurassic Park popularized the modern conception of dinosaurs

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>>51268696
Nah, those are based off of reptiles.
As you can see from this picture, they don't have feathers.

>>51268785
correction, the majority of theropods, as far as i am aware, no four legged dinosaur has produced any evidence of feathers

>>51268471
The feather evidence only became widespread knowledge less than 20 years ago (ie after JP), and culture always lags.

>>51268574
In my 5e game, I'm playing a ranger with a Velociraptor (tiny sized) which I describe to everyone else as a land-hawk

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>>51268696
No, besides the kobolds being draconic thing. Lizardfolk and other such creatures are based on, well lizards.

"Reptile" is a funny concept, it makes perfect sense from a surface understanding but falls apart when you look deeper. As the hastily made MS Paint drawing I slapped together shows: "Reptiles" includes alot of the animals in this group but not ALL of them, to be scientifically valid under current understanding of evolution a group can't "cross over" like that unless it includes everything in the cross over area. As birds arn't considered reptiles but crocodiles are, that presents a problem

>>51269003
Also turtles are problematic

>>51269003
Hmmm kinda get you. The other half of me is lost heh

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>>51269258
Yes, that's why I didn't even try to include the fuckers in the diagram

>>51269003
whats more mammals including us also branched off from reptiles, if far earlier,and all of those come from amphibians and fish. The fundamental problem is all these categories are things we just came up with, there isn't a clean line because evolution doesn't work that way, there aren't cutoff points, no clean line with dinos on one side and birds on the other, just development overtime.

>>51269311
TL:DR

Reptiles are a grouping that shares similar physical traits, but do not have a close genetic link. Dinosaurs and Crocodilians are both closer to birds then they are to snakes, lizards or turtles.

DINOSAURS DIDNT HAVE FEATHERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51269446
eh, Synapsids branched early enough that I wouldn't consider them reptiles, early synapsids were reptile-like, but not greatly related to modern diapsids

>>51269546
Were you there?

>>51269547
i mean where the branch happened isn't really relevant at some point in time they where a common ancestor, now they are not, saying we both came from "post amphibians" or whatever doesn't really change the point...

>>51268248
I like you.

>>51269509
Heh thanks for clarifying everything for me

Do you happen to know wich dinosaurs had feathers? so that i can look for some pics

>>51269847
Order Theropoda (Dromaesaurs, Tyrannosaurids, and therizinosaurids,)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theropoda

>>51269745
ah, I got ya

>>51268696
Asian dragons have feathers in many depictions

>>51270006
i remember them having hair and whiskers, but not feathers

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>>51270122
forgot pic

>>51268471
As to the extent that feathers were common in dinosaurs I can't say. I wanted to be a paleontologist when I was a kid but I don't keep up on dinosaur discoveries. That being said, the ones that did have feathers do not appear like the common artist rendition of feathered dinosaurs.

>>51268032
>it's a fact because I say it is

>>51268656
>Look at me I've been a renowned dinosaur scientific for more than 30 years lol
>I also have a 40inch dick lol

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>>51270234
gotta have some sleep, thanks for solving my doubs, ill check the thread tomorrow (in the archive i guess... lets hope its still alive)

btw, i always wanted an archeopteryx as a pet, this one or another one i cant remember its name, but it has wing-like legs besides the normal wings i think

>>51268836
We've found Psittacosaurus (an ornitchian dinosaur) with quills of some kind. Not feally fully developed feathers like some theropods, though.
Feathers are kind of interesting in that some kind of proto-feathers appear to be basal to archosaurs. Pterosaurs also have pycnofibers, which aren't feathers but are compositionally similar, and even modern crocodiles have genes that in birds are tied to feather formation. So it's possible that early archosaurs had proto-feathers, and the ancestors of the dinosaurs lost them only to re acquire them later.

>>51271734
this is true but proto feathers are pretty distant to what people think of when someone says feathers

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Ever since I found this comic, domesticated velociraptors that are treated like fancy smart chickens just makes sense.

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>>51269003
>>51269358

If you put an elephant on an island = dwarf

if you have a lizard on an island = dragon


You can't make this shit up

>>51268248
No they are not.
Its just one of those new trends of pretending to be smart.
No feathers arent cool, you dont get to decide what is or isnt cool, beeing scientififallcy accurate doesnt make something cool.

and beeing faux scientificially accurate makes it even less cool like all the "Feathered T-rex" spouters. They think that by making it different from your childhood t-rex they are making it somehow better and more "accurate".
You know why Elephants dont look like mammoths? Heat conversion. So no, feathered T rex adult T-Rex is probably just a meme of people trying to appear smart.
And thats what pisses me off the most, im not gonna be pissed off for science proving that some dinosaurs looked lame.
But im pissed at people who think they are smart for pretending that dinosaurs looked even more retarded than that.

>>51271962
This comic made me be slightly less mad at feathered dinosaurs. Cute as fuck.

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>>51273120
>implying implications

>>51273215
its a picture made by an artist.

we have conclusive evidence that a t rex would have had feathers at some point in their lives, but the same can be said about an elephant.

ive been more talking about stuff like this
>>51256300

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>>51273120
Yeah! T-Rex should look exactly like it did from my childhood and never change!

Having a horizontal stance isn't cool, you don't get to decide what is or isn't cool, beeing scientififallcy accurate doesn't make something cool.

and beeing faux scientifially accurate makes it even less cool like all the "Horizontal T-rex" spouters. They think that making it different from your childhood t-rex they are making it somehow better and more "accurate".
And that what pisses me off the most, im not gonna be pissed off for science proving that some dinosaurs looked lame.
But im pissed at people who think they are smart for pretending that dinosaurs looked even more retarded than that.

>>51275944
Apples and Oranges, we know the t rex didnt stand horizontal, we dont know that an adult t rex was covered in feathers, one is pretend one is not.

And yes, to some people an upright T-rex might be cool, scientifically accurate or not.
Scientifically inaccurate dinosaurs are probably the reason why so many settings have non standard looking dragons anyway.

>>51276207
I wasn't making an argument, I was making fun of you for whining.

>>51276207
No, we know for a fact that T-Rexes specifically had some sort of feathers on them, just not in what configuration. Floofy T-rex, vulture T-rex, etc. are all just guesses.

>>51268656
>Mostly because people are comfortable with what their nostalgia tells them and unsure as to "how scientists can know"
This is basically the explanation for why anything is bad.

>>51268656
If dinosaurs had feathers, whycome no one's calling them murder turkeys yet? Checkmate, atheists.

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Does anyone have a PDF link for the Dinotopia books? I loved the art in them as a kid, and I think my parents still have the first two hardbacks as coffee-table books.

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>>51247426
>if

>>51280625
Those are easily one of the coolest and scariest birds out there. I dont see what the big stink about Dino's being birds is if they looked like that.

>>51264678
Age of Reptiles is my shit. I always liked The Hunt better than Tribal Warfare story wise, but I think Tribal Warfare has my favorite art. I like how colorful all the dinosaurs are.

I never was able to get my hands on a copy of the journey, so I'm really enjoying you posting it.

>The Body (2011)
Oh shit, I've never even heard about this one. What's it about?

>>51276207
You are a faggot and should just kill yourself. You fucking creationist jewcuck.

Dinosaurs had feathers. Birds are dinosaurs. Evolution really happened.

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Who would win in a fight between raptor and terror bird of similar mass?

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Real jurrasic park when

>>51280987
52.93 mars years

>>51281029
so about 100.50 earth years

>>51280647
Because for some reason, when mentioning "feather" and "dinosaur" in the same sentence people intermediately forget the existence of eagels, hawks, vultures and any other bird that is not a chicken.

>>51276365
>No, we know for a fact that T-Rexes specifically had some sort of feathers on them
Not him, but that's wrong.
The few T-rex skin samples ever found are all scaled. There are some Dinosaurs in the same family for now at least, there is some evidence to indicate that either T-rex or it's feathered relatives should be reclassified, but the chances of that happening any time soon are relatively low which have feathers, but this is in no way undeniable proof that T-rex had feathers.
The scientific consensus at this point is basically "T-rex probably had feathers, but we don't know for sure, and all evidence points to the amount of feathers being limited, as we've only found scales".

Frankly the utter lack of any direct evidence for T-rex having feathers makes it more likely it didn't have them then it did, since we haven't found any dinosaurs in the same family as the t-rex with feathers. Most we have is one from the same super family, IIRC.

>>51281853
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there were also some non-scaly tyrannosaurid skin impressions.

So not really lizard like, more like a large ratite.

Am I the only one who really, really wants some kind of media with Ninjas riding/fighting dinosaurs?

I don't fucking care if it's a video game, a movie, a RPG, or even a book, I just want some sweet shinobi on giant lizard action.

>>51282222
Why would a ninja ride / fight a dinosaur? Ninjas use stealth and assassination, riding up on the back of a dinosaur is not stealthy. Fighting one under the right circumstances, maybe, but then who sends a ninja clan to take out a dinosaur? You'd be better off with a hunting party of several samurai.

>>51282193
>Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there were also some non-scaly tyrannosaurid skin impressions
tyrannosauroids, not ids. no scaled tyrannosaurids have been found, and whether the current understanding of what a tyrannosauroid is is subject to change, though the chances of that happening are slim.

As it stands, only scaled impressions have been found for tyrannosaurids. Which is why depicting t-rex with feathers, especially shit like this
>>51256300
is completely innacurate. IF, and that is a rather big if, T-rex had feathers it would have been proto-feathers on the back, since wyrex showed that it didn't have it on the legs or underside and maybe hands, don't remember if we had skin impressions from there. so about as "feathery like a bird" as an African elephant is hairy

>>51282621
For a project that never went anywhere, I had the idea that 'Ninjas' were just people who had figured out how to do a kind of alchemy. The world is quite a bit more pulpy, the Amazon having a significantly more 'lost world' feel to it.
So the Ninjas have to go to the Amazon to find rare plants because they need those plants for stuff. Also, there are dinosaurs. Maybe the Ninjas are also working for the CIA and this is the Cold War, so we can have Communist Necromancers with Undead Dinosaurs as well.

>>51279582
Aww, he gets all the gelflings he wants!

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>>51280843
I can post it after I'm through with this one.

STARTING CHAPTER 2

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>>51282744
>since wyrex showed that it didn't have it on the legs or underside and maybe hands, don't remember if we had skin impressions from there. so about as "feathery like a bird" as an African elephant is hairy

Right, of course impressions from the legs and the undersides are the parts that you wouldn't really expect to have feathers. I don't think there are any arm impressions from them, if they did have feathers that's actually one place I'd expect to see them for display.

Like I said, my image of theropod dinosaurs is a lot like a Ratite, scales in some places, smoother skin in others, and feathers for insulation, camoflage, and display. Though obviously two of those would really only matter to younger animals.

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>>51283156
I love all the little details in this.

To be fair, if I was in baby honker's situation I'd be pissing myself too.

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>>51283113
>Like I said, my image of theropod dinosaurs is a lot like a Ratite, scales in some places, smoother skin in others, and feathers for insulation, camoflage, and display
Eh, it depends on the therapod.
Stuff like T-rex had something closer to filaments than feathers, if they had feathers at all. It's rather hard to say a large therapod would look like any modern bird, since they would have nowhere near the same amount or type of feathers as any living bird.

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>>51283204
>Stuff like T-rex had something closer to filaments than feathers,
Right, so like a Ratite like a Cassowary, though obviously less in relative volume. Possibly like a thin fuzz of the sort that Ostriches have in certain parts of their body as an adult.

Large maniraptorans probably would have had flight feathers, but there 'large' is a relative term.

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>>51283348

END OF CHAPTER TWO

>>51283079
Saved.

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>>51280910
If the raptor managed to avoid the beak it could win, but depending on what terror bird and which raptor we're talking about, the result could vary.

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>>51247426
It seems like they were indeed fluffly based on the this tail found in China.
The small ones might have looked like fuzzy little birds but this kind of "feather" on a big dinosaur would look more like a fur coat. Imagine something like a T-Rex with a tiger fur.

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>>51247356
How's thinking of doing a world of darkness game where the players are dinosaurs disguised as humans.

Picture related.

>>51283712
Wasn't that the plot of the Super Mario Brothers movie?

>>51283294
>Possibly like a thin fuzz of the sort that Ostriches have in certain parts of their body as an adult
yeah, that's probably closer

>>51283745
No. And why would you even bring that up?

>>51283745
>Super Mario Brothers movie
fuck you for reminding me that exists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcQO6Zb8Eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA5yGyB_z5U

>>51283745
Hell yeah

>>51283957
>>51283973
Fuck you guys that movie was great

Except for Yoshi as a tiny t-rex. What the fuck

>>51284190
>Fuck you guys that movie was great
no. fuck you asshole. that movie was complete and utter shit.

>>51284289
You're probably right, I only saw it once in the theater as a kid.

I have an anti-feather friend on my hand, convinced that Science is ruining dinosaurs, that raptors should still be scaly intillgent monsters that could run 80MPH and swarm enough to rip apart sauropods, how do I help him deal with the fact that he's been living a fantasy that needs to end?

>>51284397
Tell him that Cassowaries are bigger, more ill tempered, and more dangerous than Velociraptors, and they're alive today.

>>51285291
thats the problem, he wants Raptors and Dinosaurs to still be better, he was pissed that Velociraptors were so short, I told him there were plenty of big raptors, he retorted that they had the best name and thus should be the best, he liked it better when Dinosaurs were theys near mythical monsters instead of boring animals

>>51285291
Cassowaries are one of those birds that truly embraces its dinosaur heritage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcQO6Zb8Eg

they even sound positively prehistoric

>>51285325
If that is how your friend thinks there is no saving him. Is he twelve?

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>>51285325
Sounds like your friends is a goddamn faggot. But luckily for him there is a group of animals that can fulfill his scaly monster fetish: crocodiles and their prehistoric relatives.

>>51283712
Huh. People actually remember that book.

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?
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Paleontological_inaccuracies_within_The_Land_Before_Time

>>51287451
Fuck that the Sharptooth was badass.

>>51286551

There was also a terrible short-lived Syfy Channel series if I recall.

>>51268785
>this was only confirmed well after thinks like Jurassic Park popularized the modern conception of dinosaurs
Actually, in the first Jurassic Park they mention how raptors are closer to birds of prey than lizards. It was in fact the movie that popularized the image of dinosaurs as fast and sleek (which archeologists already knew) when the mainstream still thought of them as fat, slow and bumbling.

Feathers may not have been 100% confirmed by then, but I definetly remember seeing reconstructions featuring them around that time as well. JP also had the whole frog DNA hand wave to explain away any inconsistencies with the science.

>>51268574
That dinosaur is making me feel funny.

>>51249600
>what do you want
How about different species have different paths?
Dinosaurs with terrotory has territory. Big herd types have ressource massing. Small dinosaurs have population booming. Or they are random goal cards you can get?

>>51249995
After reading
>whats the gameboard
I have the feeling there should be some hexcards like settler of catan.

But is it a board game, tabletop or p&p?

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>>51264678
You forgot Ancient Egyptians from 2016

>>51271999
The answer is

Elephant is a mammal and needs to sustain his heat and body system to eat a lot. So he shrinks body size.

Dragon, think you mean komodo, is a reptile. He eats less since his body dont generate this much heat on his own. Since there is maybe not so much food, he gets bigger to store heat in his body and maybe to win against smaller dragons to occupy the food source.

>>51289205
Mario may like riding Yoshi, but I think I'd prefer that raptor riding me.

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Thoughts on this?

>>51292084
0/10
No skeletons using dinosaur ribcages as giant xylophones

>>51250217
birbs are bros tho

>>51283299
Cute and terrifying as fuck.

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>>51293272
Patently false.

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>>51295328

>>51295379
>Octarius War

>>51295328
>>51295379
You know they've recently discovered fossils of giant flightless goose with wings evolved into bludgeoning weapons on some island off the coast of Italy?

>>51295701
I'm gonna need a link on that. Or at least a name.

>>51295919
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2117424-extinct-giant-goose-used-its-wings-to-fight-rather-than-fly/

>>51282931
We keep seeing dinosaurs sneeze/snort on each other that I can't help but think they're spreading some terrible plague.

>>51292120
kek

>>51296040
Nice, like the damn bastards weren't bad enough like they already are.

>>51282931
I kinda want to lie down on that tongue. It looks comfy.

>>51300109
That can be arranged:

https://youtu.be/0oQphvzB-oA

>>51300239
>I drive a chevrolet movie theater

>>51300239
mokele mbele?

>>51300277
mbembe* my bad

>>51280625
>The vulture's beard is not in fact an eye-mustache, but grows from the lower beak

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Y'all should check out Saurian. Upcoming dinosaur survival simulator, with a focus on being as accurate as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktbrUBUbjD0

>>51297665
Still want to play a game that features those things hunting in packs.

Dinosaurfags, enlighten me. What are some interesting, unconventional dinosaurs to put into my setting that would make my players perk up at the description/encounter of?

There are some in the Monster Manual and Volo's already, but not quite enough.

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>>51303360
I always liked Yutyrannus and Nanuqsaurus.

>>51268032
>Baby T-rex was probably downy
I mean, I'm sure they weren't smart, but that's offensive.

drawfriends, pls redraw Jurassic World's raptor squad as Achillobator, Austroraptor, Dakotaraptor, and Utahraptor

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>>51303360
The Therizinosaurs could be a good choice.

>>51303360
Are Carnotaurus too trendy?

Besides >>51304007, there was also another therizinosaurus-like that I've forgotten the name of.

Anzu, Cryolophosaurus, and maybe Lycaenops, if you don't mind pre-Triassic reptiles.

>>51247815
>Sauropod neck-lace shield
I doubt there's much evidence for that kind of behavior but I don't care. That's neat as fuck.

>>51268656
>And explaining how we know is hard, because Joe Average isn't gonna sit for a 3 hour lecture where you lay the foundation of Cladistic bracketing, how to distinguish synapomorphies, molecular analysis of fossil specimens, and how the gene clusters expressing integument differ within archosauria.
You have any recommended reading? I had a bunch of big, academic picture books with dinosaurs as a kid but never really retained anything. You seem to know your shit so thought and Icould go for something to read that's non-fiction for a change.

>>51270454
Microraptor

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>>51304469
yeah thats the one! thanks!

they look so cool, imagine one of those as pet

>>51304148
It probably helps as a way for them to rest their necks and remain standing.

>>51305233
Sawce?

>>51304239
I'd also like some recommended reading on the subject, would love to hear about the more modern theories being discussed.

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So you saurian loving fucks, how would one do a Land That Time Forgot/Valinor mash up style place?
I've already considered some things like Blink Velociraptors but I want something thats new and not just a saurian with other fey powers tacked on

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>>51303360
>Monster Manual
>Volo's Guide
Absolute and utter shit. The dinosaurs have no interesting mechanics, no fun abilities, they're just big shitty piles of hit points. Fuck that noise. Dinosaurs shouldn't just be random, boring beasts, they should have unique abilities that makes them memorable to fight.

>>51309351
Hitting hard and having loads of hitpoints for their CR is kind of the dinosaurs' thing in DnD, though. Throwing a Tyrannosaurus against a level-appropriate group is likely to be a hard fight if they're going to just stand there and hit it till it dies, because it can probably kill you faster. The interesting part would not come from the Tyrannosaurs's abilities, but from the player having to come up with ways to fight it other than just standing in front of it and getting chomped.

>>51309545
>The interesting part would not come from the Tyrannosaurs's abilities, but from the player having to come up with ways to fight it other than just standing in front of it and getting chomped.

I wish I could have players that come up with ways to fight things besides "stand in front of it and hit it one at a time until the monster dies or all the PCs die".

>>51304239
>>51308704
I'm not sure what there is in the way of reading material, but I strongly recommend you watch Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mg-_4GFbYs

The host examines various dinosaur toys and points out everything wrong with them, and while doing so he goes into detail about modern dinosaur cladistics in order to construct a more accurate representation of them. It's a great way to get a basic understanding of the various concepts, and it's entertaining enough to draw in even a layperson. After all, everyone can relate to having shitty dinosaur toys as a kid.

>>51309696
Neat, thanks!

>>51283587
tiger fur is for camouflage in tall grass. Grass had not evolved til after the cretaceous also a t-rex would be so tall it would stand out over the horizon
>>51301191
>all evidence we found is scales
>speculative science trumps fossil evidence

>>51309671
My method was being swallowed alive and killing it from inside usually.

Not that this was my actual plan mind you, but it's how imid-level psychic elan soulknives work best agaisnt dinosaurs apparently.

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>>51303360
technically not a dinosaur, but still metal as fuck
imagine those giraffe-stork-murderlizard galloping at you

>>51310458
Giraffe Stork Murderlizard would be an awesome band name.

>>51283712
I fondly remember this story, and it's sequel "Casual Rex". It was the right shade of ludicrous.

>>51285325
Your friend sounds like he's underage b&. Most likely Autistic.

I mean, seriously, there's plenty of cases where shitty cars have great names, and great cars have shitty names.

Do you like dinos in Paraworld?

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>>51289254
that's how I was going to design each dinosaur type, but having overlapping alliances would mean you can approach the gameboard with at least two strengths -- and since the board itself will be changing/evolving (as you do yourself) it's nice to have a Plan B when suddenly there's a huge advantage to switching paths.

Solid suggestion, thanks for the input.

>>51289280

Here's the very first board concept I drew. Basically you will have oversized cards that will serve as one segment of the game board -- once you determine how the map will be set up (wont go into that right away) you will generate the board's populations. There are 4 or 5 sizes of dino, and this will be explained a little bit more in depth as we go along, but you can see around the edges of the board some examples of what they represent. Larger dinos are forced to move only on big spaces, and thus a heard of leaf eatters need to make bold journies across periless territories. Smaller creatures can move along the segment edges, and even go diagonally (this is to show how agile they are).


I had no idea the thread was still alive, I just kinda forgot about it... Much more sketches on the way, but it's dinner time now so BRB.

Sorry for the crudeness of the sketch, they get more sophisticated from here, promise lol.

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>>51312702

I began by learning how to bisect a card into different combinations of terrain. Here you see a maximum of 6 possible types that can be shared on a single card.

Next up I started envisioning what those combinations looked like once they're laid out on the table. The amount of cards needed are determined by the size of the overall game you wish to play. If it's a standard adventure, you could see as many as 12 cards.

the 6th type is NULL by the way, and I will reflect that with having impassable terrain. Originally I did not plan on having aquatic 'dinos', so the thought behind this was to have a land mass that wasn't going to only look like a big block of squares but instead have coast lines and inlets for lakes and such.

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Sci-fi mutant dinosaurs? Sci-fi mutant dinosaurs.

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>>51313150

Here's a look at the sizes of all the pawns in the game, as well as how their positioning is setup on each terrain tile. 5 possible zones, with 4 inbetween spaces (for traveling and conflict resolution. the 6th zone is the entire tile (Zero or Whole value)

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>>51313222
Trips, noice, wish I had made better use of them.

And here's a look at the dino age concept... The whole point of the game is the AGE of the dinosaurs, so I figured that lifecycle should play a big role in this game. You will have egg clutches to guard, younglings to train how to hunt and cranky elders to avoid with prejudice.

If you hadn't noticed by now, I'm centering myself around the number 6 for this game.

My goal was to have the mechanics be approachable but flexible for growth. At present there will be dice, large cards, standard cards and of course optional miniatures OR packed-in paper pawns.


That's all I'll share for game mechanics, next up are some dino sketches!

Feel free to ask any questions or add thoughts on how the components are shaping up.

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Young to Juvenile ( pls no bully that I spelled it wrong all over my work)

As I said before, I haven't settled upon an art style yet, but this one is the closest I came to finalizing it.

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>>51313439
One of my favorites as a kid right here. Wasn't he also the first fully imagined dinosaur?

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>>51313471
baryonyx is my modernday favorite

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>>51313522

I had to make a HUGE size just to account for longnecks. Bitches ain't tiny.

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>>51313568

and final sketch for the thread...

The wild card of the bunch, an aquatic """"dino""""

I love these faggots so much, but balancing the game to support a fully explorable water world ONTOP of the main land mass would be a huge undertaking. I'm thinking of just saving them for an expansion or be strictly NPC pop ups at certain points on the map. I know making them non playable would upset some people though, including myself.


So that's it. I wonder if the thread will survive much longer, but I greatly appreciate you folks taking a look over my half-baked dino /tg/ idea.

>>51313439
>>51313622
>>51313568
>>51313522
>>51313471
Thats some cool sketches.

>>51313770
Oh wow, you think so? You don't think a fluffy kinda sugar coated style would be bad then?

>>51312702
That sounds really cool.
Like the ability to hide as a small species.

>>51313150
>>51313222
>>51313323
That sounds really interesting but very complicated too.

>>51313831
Not really. I dig it. In combination with these colors its really cool.

>>51313840
the complexity is really only in the game design process itself, but that kinda feedback helps a lot. Once a polished version of the game is settled upon, it will be a lot easier to comprehend.

Now that I've generated some interest in this idea, I will go ahead and move on to do just that. Look for a future Dino /tg/ thread for an update!

Oh and if there's something you'd like to see different, don't hesitate to say so. Thank you for stopping by!

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>>51313897

I mean here's how I chopped up a card to show you... lots of forethought goes into this, but also it's very exploratory. Once I get it on paper, I can begin to imagine what it will play like.

>>51313869
Fuck yes! I'm so happy you guys like em.

>>51313897
>game design process
yes, but the playing too, because everything will be evolving and growing with you.

>you'd like to see different
Its your game and since its all rough, there is nothing that can be criticised.
We dont have insights or a vision how it works in the end or what to achieve.
It looks promising.
I would go with hexa cards just because of personel preferance.

>>51313956
The card looks very static that there are a static combination of various charts.
But i understand thats because of the traveling paths.
But it looks like a fun board with bigger shards to support the traveling for different sizes.

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>>51314151
Oh you're absolutely right, it is difficult to convey the meaning behind many of the game elements with so little to show for it just yet. I began this work last June, and though I enjoyed the concept very much it was quickly holstered to work on another project. What I've shown you thus far was about a week's worth of kicking the ideaball around. Some of the ideas that have been expressed in the thread are also shaping how the game looks in my mind, so those are a big help.

I hope I can pick this uncut gem off the floor and give it a nice polish for your guys -- next time.


Also I will look into hex cards... Six sides fits very nicely into the philosophy of the setup thus far. Neat suggestion, and it just might make the game boards look a whole lot more dynamic.

>>51314206
Yes exactly, I am trying to make the spaces inbetween cards very very easy to read, as they will serve as dense foliage for the tiny dinosaurs to scurry around and poke out of. The small classes will be able to go there, but their speed and mobility will be reduced -- this will make it a place for smaller saurs, but not necessarily a safe zone.

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One last dino art bump from me, because this thread's been so awesome

Are there any settings or artwork that make their lizardmen/lizardmen equivalent raptor/dromeosaurian?

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>>51309351
Hey, you can make a fun encounter with a standard ass dinosaur if the PCs know what they are doing.
Also, you can just use the dino as base and build shit up on it, you know, the old Dinosaurs are Dragons trope.

>>51314255
>Also I will look into hex cards
I just meant thats what i would think of. Not that its mandatory.


>I hope I can pick this uncut gem off the floor and give it a nice polish for your guys -- next time.
>>51314738
Thx, its a cool project.

>>51309351
>Not just giving them powers from Primal Rage and calling it a day.

Been doing this so far and it seems to work.

>>51292120
0/10 no skeletons piloting dinosaurs like mechs inside of ribcages.

>>51309351
not him but, talking about D&D, what kind of dinosaurs should the underdark have?

>>51316510
Don't they have Utahraptors, Deinonychus, and Tyrannosaurus rex?

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>>51304007
I have my desert-dwelling gnolls ride similar dinosaurs, and use their claws to help pry apart the earth elementals the gnolls hunt. Yay or nay?

>>51316557
dont know, i remember drow having reptile mounts, thats all

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>>51308704
>>51304239
I am a Bibliophibian, when I feed I share. Off the top of my head I'd recommend "A SURVIVAL GUIDE: Living with Dinosaurs in the Jurassic Period" by Dougal Dixon, "Pterosaurs: Natural History, Evolution, Anatomy" by Mark Witton, "A Field Guide to Mesozoic Birds and Other Winged Dinosaurs" by Matthew Martyniuk, "Flying Dinosaurs: How fearsome reptiles became birds" by John Pickrell, and "My Beloved Brontosaurus: On the Road with Old Bones, New Science, and Our Favorite Dinosaurs" by Brian Switek.

>>51316630
Seems reasonable.

>>51295425

New filename for the filename thread

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>>51313150
So you're dealt six cards, and your friend is too. These are terrain cards, from a single terrain deck.

You get to arrange those six cards in that 3x4 grid, which will create the game board. Effectively you're setting up YOUR home turf.

The game board is played with one player at a table edge of 4 cards and the other sits across from them.

You could agree to different kinds of configurations of that 6 on 6 setup. Either pyramid (each person makes a corner) or a plateau ( 2 out of 3 cards on either side will be yours) or a jumbled up one where they get a small square and you get the perimeter.

Once the board's set up, you can plan your strategy accordingly and selecting two decks. One of 5 decks... with a combination of 2, that leavs 3 unused decks. The co-op variation can have a single set of 5, where as the head to head mode would require each player to haver their own 5 decks...

The 5 decks are the different dinosaur types. The spaces you hatch dinosaurs on are changed into a dinosaur that thrives in that habitat...

So basically that means the pawns on the board can LOOK different, but the decks all remain virtually the same.

Pretty fuckin' cool... Looking back over my work has given me a rush of ideas.

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Bumping this by telling you about one of my favorite dinosaurs, which while pretty well known I feel is also kind of underappreciated: Carnotaurus. Carnotaurus is a lot weirder than people give it credid for, and granted, lot of that is just general Abelisaurid weirdness, but Carnotaurus takes a lot of those traits to the extreme.

Trend toward reduced forelimb size is commonly observed in large theropods, and while Tyrannosaurids are a vairly extreme example, Abelisaurids take it even further. Abelisaurids in general had weird arms, since it seems they didn't really need them for anythign so over time mutations just piled up due to not being selected against, and Carnotaurs in particular has the smallest arms relative to its body size in any known dinosaur. Its arms actually were atrophied, with the arm bones being very short and lightly build and fingers being underveloped (one of the fingers is literally a single bone, and of the other three two may have lacked claws). It's possible that in the living animal the fingers would not have even been visible, having been completely incased in flesh so the arm just ends in nubs with claw(s) poking out.

And look at the head. That is not what you'd consider a typical theropod skull at all: its ridiculously short compared to its height, and the lower jaw is very small and weak. Again, common traits in Abelisaurds, but not nearly this pronounced normally. On the other hand, the neck muscles would have been extremely strong. Carnotaurus likely didn't kill its prey by biting, but by opening its jaws very wide (it also had an unusually flexible skull, allowing the jaws to move a lot) and hacking at the prey with its upper jaw untill it died (think of it like using a hatchet to chop something, but the hatchet is your face).

And then you've got all the standard Abelisaurid weirdness on top of that.

>>51320037
>standard Abelisaurid weirdness
Can you please elaborate?

>>51320037
Note on Tyrannosaurus arms, they had ABSURDLY strong muscles on those arms. As in, if a Tyrannosaurus would grab another dinosaur with those tiny arms, that other dinosaur would be stuck.

Scientists think that Tyrannosaurus used those arms during courting rituals and mating, perhaps for social contact (since there's good evidence Tyrannosaurs were very social animals), and also possibly for holding down dying prey if smashing armour-piercing teeth at 30mph into the neck didn't kill them.

Which makes the tiny arms of the Carnotaurus logical. If the Carnotaurus killed by using its upper jaw as a hatchet, it wouldn't need any forearms. Also, I doubt that Carnotaurus had much of a social mind given that Carnotaurus was a carnosaurus, and all carnosaurs were pretty primitive and dumb compared to coelurosaurs like velociraptor and tyrannosaurus.

>>51320351
Aside from weird deformed-looking arms, you've got weird as hell tail vertebrae. You know those things that stick out from the sides of the vertebra? In Abelisaurs they're these long interlocking blade-shaped things. Apparently they're connected to the Abelisaurs having huge muscles that ran from the underside of the tail to area where legs attach to the hips, allowing them to pull their legs back at great force (and also giving them really thick tails and hips). The weird vertebrae help support the muscles, but they make the tail even more rigid than other theropods. In practice, the combination would lead to them being capable of attaining high speed when running in a straight line, but being shit at turning while running.
A lot of Abelisaurs also have prominent facial structures of some kind: Carnotaurus has the horns, Majungasaurus was thought to have a single horn on its forehead, but it's now believed to be an anchoring point for a mass of soft tissue, and Rugops probably also had some kind of mass of soft tissue with large blood vessels on its face, possibly something like male elephant seals have.

>>51321063
thanks!

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>>51320819
that's fucking fascinating

thanks for that

>>51320037
Carnotaurus is also one of the theropoods that lacked any feathers at all, we have full body skin implants and its body was completely covered in scales

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>>51321063
>also giving them really thick tails and hips

>>51316630
Why would you hunt earth elementals?

>>51323414
Maybe minerals?

>>51256300
I'm no expert, but why would T-Rex have feathers? Feathers have two functions as far as I know. 1) aid flight. T-Rex had stubby arms that couldn't possibly provide enough lift 2) keep warm. T-Rex is big enough that its surface area is dwarfed by its mass. Shouldn't that mean that they would need more help radiating heat than retaining heat?

I'm no expert, but these are my layman thoughts

>>51321949
Wait. Fully?
Thought its just patches.

>>51322670
glad i'm not the only one

>>51324527
we have a full body skin impression (sans head, they kinda destroyed that digging the skull out) and it is entirely scaled,

>>51324523
Another possibility is mating or signaling.

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>>51324523
>but why would T-Rex have feathers?

Sexual display, communication, camouflage, being descended from creatures that had significant amounts of feather covering.

Given its size and the fact that area it inhabited apparently was pretty temperate I doubt that as an adult t-rex would had been covered in feathers from head to toe but at least some amount of feathers is to be expected.

>>51324523
>>51324675

yeah any feathers rex would have had would likely be sparse. like hair on an elephant or rino, or isolated to crests or displays, a full coat would almost certainly overheat the animal.

>>51324675
>heat
Sound possible, but ostrchs have festhers and live in rather hot regions.
But we have big animals that lack full fur.

>>51324618
Ok, thx.

>>51324527
We've got impressions along much of the flank, showing round scales as well as rows of large over scales and a ridge along the back. Apparently the head of the original fossil also had skin impression, but those were destroyed during excavation, which is too bad since we don't know exactly what kind of structures it had on its face (there is evidnece of some kind of texture on the face, probably similar to large bumpy scales as on the side, but it could also be a mass of soft tissue like in Majungasaurus). Carnotaurus has one of the best preserved skin-impressions of large theropods.

>>51324523
It's more that its close relatives and ancestors had them, so unless it had specific reason to loose them they would likely be present in some form (even elephants and other big terrestrial mammals have hair, it's just sparse; whales on the other hand have completely lost all hair to reduce drag). We do have evidence that at least one large Tyrannosaurid (Yutyrannus) had feathers, but Yutyrannus did live in an area where the climate would have been colder than where the T. rex lived, so it might have needed feathers for insulation.
Personally, I doubt an adult T.rex had a dense covering of feathers; more like hair on modern elephants plus maybe some for display purposes, since it would not have needed them for insulation. Baby T. rexes may have been downy, though, since they would have been small enough that insulation would be useful.

>>51322670
>>51324566
Well, thick hips may not be entirely correct word. The hips wouldn't really be wider than your average Theropods, but larger amount of muscle attaching to legs near the hips would add bulk to the area.
The tail on the other hand, would have been thicc. Given the large mass of muscle at the base of the tail, the base of the tail would likely have been as wide as the hips, and in Carnotaurus (which again took things further than most other Abelisaurids) possibly even wider than the hips.

>>51324811
>Carnotaurus skin
Why isnt there a replica of the skin?
And why is it hard to find pictures of that? Mostly carnotaurus art.

And thx for the info.

Does someone have the image of stone age raptors?

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>>51325644
Sorta like this?

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>>51325679

>>51325705
>>51325679

I am thinking of having race based on this in a setting. I am just a little annoyed by how they would use tools.

I am inclined to modify their posture, and give them thumbs. Kinda similar to kangaroos I guess.

>>51325781
Maniraptorans already have sort-of opposable digits. Not as dextrous as the opposable thumbs of primates, but they have thsi crescent-shaped bone in their hands that lets their finger swivel to allow for graping of items. If they hadn't gone extinct at the end of the Cretaceous, I wouldn't be surprised if some would have developed fully opposable digits.

>>51323414
Metals, stone, and precious gems that are traded with the local kingdoms. Originally, it was to capture the larger ones that would collect water on their backs that would develop into an oasis, harvest some goods, and then release them. But trading what could be recovered from a killed elemental with the local crocodilemen was more profitable.

>>51325904
Cool stuff.

>>51283361
Moar

>>51316150
>you will never see raptors call down titanfalls
>the titanfalls are cyber-theropods

>>51325679
>>51325705

Any more from this artist? I've seen the Neolithic steppes one floating around. I'm not a fan of the beak, but, eh.

Dinosaurs are that one thing I love too much to possibly want to discuss on /tg/, because you people fucking ruin everything.

If it's not armchair vertebrate palaeontologists telling me how much they think they know, it'd be something worse that those fucking /wsg/ idiots came up with.

I don't even know why I'm writing this post. I don't want to read the thread. Fuck.

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>>51326602
Nice, have a (You).

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>>51325781

>>51292120
MAD MAX 0: DINO-PREQUEL

>>51273120
This may come as a shock to you, but you DO get to decide what is or isn't cool, because taste is subjective and not everyone's is the same.

>>51309816
I pretty much never use swallow whole while DMing. Besides, a rex probably couldn't swallow a man sized piece I'd flesh whole. Nope, he pins you and then tears off a swallowable chunk in a coup de grace. Fort save time!

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>>51330862
>>51330862
>>51330862

Dude

Yes. That shit was my fucking rock as a kid.

>>51331915
you get a fort save against being torn in half?

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>>51296040
>https://www.newscientist.com/article/2117424-extinct-giant-goose-used-its-wings-to-fight-rather-than-fly/

the most interesting thing in that article (well besides birds with thumbs that they did kung fu with) -- You have a type of huge duck that was the PRIMARY herbivor on the islands of Hawaii

Like what? FUCK.

>they were whipped out by James Cook in 1778

Sleep tite, lil quarker D;

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>>51332231
Also who here likes to mix in the odd ball ice age mammal in there for a wild card?

I do.

>>51331947
No, against dying instantly while losing a nonspecific chunk of yourself. What part gets eaten depends on results. If you fail the instant death save, it was your head or maybe torso. If you succeed, maybe it was just your scalp or a big bit of skin.

Also the Rex gets a decent racial bonus to grapple, you want to keep your distance against a Rex.

Normally I'd call a solitary T-Rex a cr 10 encounter, but that doesn't mean that a level 10 character should just trade blows with him and not act tactically, his grapple check is a threat to anyone who doesn't have significant bonuses and superhuman strength, and if he gets that pin and CDG, the instant death DC is generally 70+. I've had a level 16 party lose members to a random encounter mated pair, because they thought it was just going to be a trash encounter and didn't exercise any caution. Those Rexes both rolled well, the barbarian failed his check with a score of 107 (rex did 104 damage), the Bard missed his check by 30 points (that rex did 88 damage).

The Barbarian's near success let me describe him being slowly failing to resist being bisected as his sinews and muscles exceeded their tensile strength bit by bit. It was pretty great.

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Number one question was T Rex as slow as some scientist say say? Looking at you Horner. And were dinosaurs warm blooded looking at you Bakker?

>>51332584
T-Rex was probably at least as fast as an elephant. Which is to say that you shouldn't run in a straight line.

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>>51332584
While Tyrannosaurus Rex probably couldn't keep pace with a Jeep, it reasonable to say by stride length alone it could move at a decent clip.

As for the warm-blooded thing, it's very likely they were mostly warm blooded; especially by the time of the Cretaceous. That being said, there is still considerable argument over the matter and it's not unlikely that they were neither truly warm blooded nor cold blooded but somewhere in between.

aren't dinosaurs feathered birds

>>51283156
Brutal.

>>51332326
Tbh, I'd love to see more terror birds and things like it mixed in/competing against traditional theropods and raptors.