40k Gathering Storm General /gsg/

>>51237349
>Aeldari

You're not helping with those whole Age of the Emperor shit, geedubs.

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>>51237349
>whfb: elves
>end times: united elves
>AoS: aelfs

>40k: eldar
>time of ending: united eldar
>41k: aeldari

the pottery is inevitably going to hurt

>>51237349
Aeldari? Fuck that shit, man! Call them Eldar!

>>51237377
I bet it was written ADB or some other BL writer, John French maybe, or Gav Thorpe....

>>51237424
I could see some factions to be rolled into bigger ones. From what we've heard it won't be as simplified as AoS with Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction, more like:
>Imperium
>Chaos
>Aeldari
>Orks
>Necrons
>Tyranids

Tau would probably join Eldar or some other bullshit.

On the other hand I could see a revelation like "The Hive Mind is C'tan! Necrons and 'Nids are together now." or "The Hive Mind got looted by Orks. They are one faction now."

Imperium will be this big faction like Order in AoS, with all different subfactions. Basically everything will have tons of subfactions, kinda like they are getting lately with Chaos and Imperium.

>>51237349
As an Ahriman fan I hope that quote means War in the Webway 2.0 is a go.

After the ass fucking GW just gave the TSons by way of their rule-set I hope he gets something nice.

I mean, this is just an out of context quote talking about ancient history

Could just be the name of their original civilisation

Why would They need a copyright shoehorn Name for Eldar, im pretty sure eldar already is that from back in ye olde days when they Werke literally called space elves

>>51237660

Eldar is from Tolkien, meaning 'People of the Stars' - GW don't own that name.

>>51237681
Like they don't own Space Marine, right?

>>51237349
>the infinity circuit symbol atop an Autarch rune the bottom of which is slightly elongated
Spooky Autarchs incoming, probably with more Wraith units.

>>51237687
No only Adeptus Astartes but they have way of making other companies not use that term.

>>51237705
I tried to decipher the rune using this site:
http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miscellaneous/eldar_runes.php

>>51237766
It's a closed version of the infinity circuit plus striking scorpion plus serpent which is exodite

>>51237681
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-195728.html

>>51237349
>>Aeldari

Someone's going to pay for this. The Dark Eldar codex already told us what the Eldar word for their own language is, and it's "Eladrith".

Oh well. Another book I'll pirate for the rule and ignore everything else.

>>51238229
I fail to see your point?

Yes, it's not actually possible - or at least the issue is vexed - to own the copyright on a word; but GW is determined to use differentiated titles for products where they can; hence why so much more marines stuff highlights the name 'Adeptus Astartes' and the Guard are now 'Astra Militarum.'

GW *do* want to try and use the most unique names possible to stake a claim on their IP via unique names; which they can't do with things like Eldar or Imperial Guard.

>>51238515

You know the eldar language is reportedly more complex than any human tongue, right?

>>51238515
Is that the name of their language, or their language's name for their people?
The two are different things.

>>51238640
Their language's name for their people. More specifically the Dark Eldar call themselves Eladrith Ynneas, a term Vect invented.

>>51238515
It might be High Gothic name or something.

>>51238722
Then what the flying FUCK, GW.
Unless it's just Ahriman making shit up as usual, but I doubt the company would endorse that meme directly.

>>51237349
Surely, it can only mean a war in the webway resulting in a surprise comeback of Ynnead!

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I can't wait for this setting to get rebooted.

>>51237681
Pretty sure they can copyright "craftworld eldar" and "dark eldar" though.
And it's highly unlikely they would decide to go full copy right protection now, instead of pulling that back when all the imperial armies got their official high gothic names like "Adeptus Astartes" or "astra militarum.

Trademark. Different from copywrite. Learn.

>>51237349
What is the purpose / meaning of this?

>>51237575
>Imperium

can we please make all 500 faggoty space marine chapters just be one army now please?

>>51239800
This. I hope GW fucks thing up and million assblast will follow.

>>51240769
Checked praise Slaanesh

Same

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>>51240769
>I hope GW fuck up a thing everyone loves
>I love being an edgy world hating teen
K, friendo

>>51237349
Storm.. of Chaos?

>>51240841
The game is such an unbalanced mess that the only way to fix it is to start anew.

>Now, at last, the tome has fallen open. Within its pages the Shadowseers have found a script, a secret final act that changes utterly the tale of the Fall. Penned in inks of light and shadow, these words present a slender hope, detailing an intricate, galaxy-spanning performance with the potential to change the fate of the Eldar race. Always, the strands of fate have pointed toward the victory of Chaos during the last, mythic battle known to the Eldar as the Rhana Dandra. Yet within the pages of the crystal tome is recorded Cegorach’s ultimate jest, a way to trick Slaanesh into expending all her power not to destroy the Eldar, but to save them. How such an impossibility could come to pass is unclear, for on this matter the final act is infuriatingly vague. Yet the Harlequins take their god’s words on faith alone, for their devotion to Cegorach is total and his methods beyond question or reproach. Thus they have begun the steps of this final dance, and will see it completed, or else face absolute destruction in the attempt.

The final dance is starting. Chaos is destined to win it but Cegorach words revealed another possibility. Interesting.

Anyways, who are the three foes that Eldar will face in the Rhana Dandra according to Cegorach's bible? Well, we know all of them now except one.

1-"Within madness’ eye, the champion of the Ruinous Powers prepares to seize a realm long denied". (Abaddon the villain of FoC)
2-"A fallen sorcerer seeks the lore of the library" (Ahriman the villain of the next book)
3-" A king stirs in his court of death and silence, preparing to rise once more"

So who or what is this king?

>>51241029
That is not what I was quoted.

>>51241208
The king is Curze, Demon Primarch, Prophet of the 8th, He Who Punishes, The Taker of Skin

>>51241208
The Silent King.

>>51241208
The Silent King comes to mind

>>51241208
A Necron, presumably.

>>51241208
>So who or what is this king?
Silent king certainly fits the description of a king whose court is filled with "silence" and "death"

Creeeeeeed, come back :(

>>51241615
what if trazyn and creed became best buddies?

>>51241464

Will he finally get a model and rules?

>>51241731
probably, nagash did

>>51241648
>Creed's ability to TACTICAL GENIUS Baneblades has been because Trazyn just keeps popping stuff out of his tessaract labarynth

>>51240841
The game is a huge fucking mess and the lore gets worse by the year because GW only hires hack writers.

>>51241986
>lore gets worse by the year
oh please, no matter what they wrote you would hate it anyway

>>51242449
Nope. GW lore used to be good because the old writers had great inspiration from outside sources. The new writers that grew up with 40k takes their inspiration from 40k. The company also takes copyright more serious now. As a result the lore is now entering a stagnation that gets more dull as time goes on.

People keeps a company interesting, not just their assets and now they employ uninteresting people.

>>51242576
>GW lore used to be good because the old writers had great inspiration from outside sources
there was some interesting concepts like the Sensei and we had stuff like fucking Inquisitor Obi-wan, taking inspiration from other sources is not bad by any means, but sometimes it gets just wayyyy to silly

>>51241986
>Matt Ward
>Phil Kelly
>hacks

These are the same writers who have been writing the fluff for years.

>>51242741
Neither of them has been very good at it.

>>51242759
Kelly is decent when he wants to be, and Ward may have a boner for ultramarines, but his eldar stuff is okay at times

>>51242698
Almost all of 40k is derivative of other fictional sources to such a degree that it's almost plagiarism. Few basic elements of 40k is original creations of GW.

>>51242759
who is a good lore writer for you then ?

Where are the tau going to fit in all of this? my prediction is that they'll get BTFO by tyranids and the eldar are going to show up and lead them through the webway to where ever it is the final battle is happening.

Also, orks will join the "good" guys, theres a reason eldrad has been influencing ghazzys rise to power.

>>51242817
yes, but then 40k took those elements and did its own spin on then, it may be not original sure but at least its not a carbon copy

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>>51242741

>Mat Ward and Phil Kelly are good writers

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>>51241986
>I don't like it so everyone else should be unhappy
>I love being the centre of the universe because I am Gen Y
K, friendo.

>>51243489
Chances are that you came into the setting in 5th ED. So basically nearly all the fluff you were exposed to was from them.

>>51242741
Matt Ward has cool ideas, but he is a terrible narrator. Phil Kelly is just mediocre.

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>>51243650

>this projection

>>51237660
Spotted the kraut phoneposter

>>51237349
is it too much to hope that this thread have the epub of Fall of Cadia?!

>>51244275
check /40kg/ they have one

>>51244275
>>51241823

>>51241208
>3-" A king stirs in his court of death and silence, preparing to rise once more"

Gaycrons.

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>>51240876
They do like their storms.

>>51241208
Cegorach confirmed for Lileath.

>>51237575
Them bundling Tau and Necrons together wouldn't be so bad if Kroot and Vespids got some love too, but the idea of Tau and the three Eldar factions jumping into the same army list is horrible in terms of theme, fluff and rules.

Nids teaming up with chaos due to the Hive Minds ascending into gods would be fun to look at on the tabletop, but I'm sure the bugs are going to get shafted again and left on their own.

>>51242852
No, 40k mashed them into Warhammer Fantasy.

>>51245113
>Nids teaming up with chaos due to the Hive Minds ascending into gods
this is what I've been betting on for a while the hive mind becomes the chaos god of hunger or something; its a way to get rid of slaanesh (for the soccer moms) and to remove the nids as a (theoretical) rival to chaos.

>>51245381
So Tyranids are Skaven.

Does that mean Eldrad and robot dragon Vect are going to be waterboarding Slaanesh in a cave as he pukes Eldar?

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>>51237349
Can someone explain how Cain's Last Stand falls into anything?

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>>51245620
>tfw no space Gotrek fighting an infinite army of Daemons
>tfw we won't be able to call him the Doom Slayer

>>51237349
They're going to ruin 40k next? I can't wait.

>>51245620
pretty much, it'd be a bit of a shame to remove the nids as a unique faction but the same could've been said for the skaven. though the possibility of a unified setting for warhammer could be funny

>>51241208
The emperor is dead, and therefore silent, and he is in a way king of the imperium. If this is the end times it'd make sense for big e to come back in the final book.

>>51245710
Naw, Age ruined Gotrek by having him blow up and making Roman Slayers physically lust for fragments of his body.

>>51246051
>implying that's Gotrek

>>51246160
>End Times ends with Gotrek becoming the new Grimnir and holding his fortress within the Warp
>Grimnir appears after the dust settles and Chaos is finished killing

Its Gotrek. It can't be anyone else, Grimnir gave him his own divinity and stood as a mortal.

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>>51245381
>>51245113

>when /tg/ gives you even worse fluff than GW

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What if the tau unfuck their own shit, throw away the ethereals, finally grow full heads of hair and make all their battlesuits thicc and sexy?

would that excuse all the massive plot fuckups that are coming?

>>51246185
>implying that's not original Grimnir
>implying the real Gotrek isn't currently still killing Daemons
>implying God Gotrek wouldn't have resurrected Felix at least

>>51246219
Naw.

Tau are Tomb Kings and despite getting new models and having an expansive model line are tied to a log heading towards the saw as a faction.

>>51246219
>What if the tau unfuck their own shit, throw away the ethereals

The Ethereals are pretty much the main reason why the Tau are so unfucked in general, they're not exactly moustache-twirling villains, they're just really, really competent sociopathic leaders with a 'no matter the cost' philosophy behind their rhetoric. I strongly doubt the entire Tau Empire's capability to remain as cohesive and advanced as it is without them, as they've effectively been genetically and psychologically bent towards functioning at maximum efficiency under Ethereal leadership.

Farsight Enclaves are an interesting anomaly, but one that hasn't been entirely proven as stable yet.

CALLING IT NOW

>exodites, dark eldars, and most craftworlders unite under the leadership of Eldanesh reborn, figure out a way of reincarnating properly and rebuild the Aeldari empire

>Eldrad and a bunch of harlequins and Iyanden assholes from the house of Ulthanash become full-blown death-worshipping necromancers, raise an army of wraith constructs with the help of Ynnead and become the DEATH ELDARS

So if this happens GW will never touch the good 40k again right?


No more Grey knights killing sisters of battle?

No more retarded battles?


Hell fucking yes

>>51243650
Some of us started with Haines and Chambers. Trust us, Kelly and Ward are rubbish.

>>51246603
Those were the days.

>>51246603
Hey I have a 4th edition codex! I'm not that young.

>>51246603

5e a best

The only 40k lore we need

>>51246715

So why exactly would any respectable person care for this?

Most people on /tg/ listen to 5e lore instead of nu40k lore right?

>>51246715
5'th edition was when the fluff started getting shitty.

Why do you fags complain like you dont have to listen to it.

I havent listened to official 40k lore in years I swear I dont know why but the 40k fanbase on /tg/ just has taken a dive.

I hate how the site that made me love 40k is currently making me hate it and all the people in these retarded threads.

>>51246389
>Daeth Aelderi
FTFY

>>51246811

/tg/ it self is just an over glorified shadow of its former self

>>51246197
you're acting as if this is a wishlist.
this is us guessing as to what horrors they'll unleash next

>>51246811
/tg/ became shit at talking 40k after /v/ migrated here to get away from political shitposting.

>>51245113
>>51245381
>>51245620
>tyranids becoming chaos
>tyranids just being skaven
thank fuck you don't write for GW, thats the most retarded shit i've heard in a while.

I do think the tyranids will fill a very similar role as the skaven did in the begining of the end times, and wipe out a few important places and a bunch of factions they couldn't be assed to expand on. My guess is that Ultramar and the tau empire will get overrun at the very least. I also think Calgar is getting killed or at least dreadnoughted by the swarmlord, leaving an opening for Guilliman to come back and lead the chapter.

>>51246873

I seriously dont get how talking anything 40k here got so bad.

Your lucky if some 2 assholes dont start shit in lore threads anymore

Thread on assassins? Some assholes will say LOL IMPERIALFAGS NEED THIS OP SHIT LOL DAMAOCLOS BTFO BTFO BTFO YOUR FACTION SUCKS

I really fucking despise this attitude on /tg/

>>51247013
If you ignore it, it goes away.

Also
>Your

>>51247027

Could you tell me then English isant my 1st language

>>51241208
Could be the Emperor or Ynnead. Or maybe the Emperor is Ynnead? What a tweest!

Seriously, though, Ynnead is supposed to come back for Rhana Dandra. Eldrad is fucking around with awakening Ynnead early. The Emperor is hooked up to the Webway where Cegorach hides out. If I were Eldrad and trying to awaken Ynnead early so as to avoid killing all the Eldar, I might channel shit through the Webway and it might end up empowering the Emperor, who has become a dead god, god of death.

>>51247059
Close enough, if English isn't first language.
But it is you're as in you are

>>51246962
>>51246870
I don't want it to happen, but I suspect it will, mostly because it's the worst possible outcome

>>51237575
the Imperium is going to be broken into different factions

Ultramar, Terra, Admech and Chaos for sure

Terras IG will get some models I'm sure maybe they be Sikh base that would be cool

you be able to allied any unit like aos

Necrons with IG to be Necrons with a slave war ect

I'm sure the C'tan and the Silent King will get a model same with the Avatar who maybe will have Ynnead option

Nids numbers will be nerf for sure because it needs to be

>>51247013
Exactly. It just details into shittalking like 40k fluff is a contest. It's pathetic and retarded.

>>51246603
3e was gods edition

>>51247013

I love 40k

but the community on /tg/ is absolutely terrible now everyone are jaded faggots ITS MY FACTION REEEEE LOL BTFO *insertfaction here*fag

>>51237575
I would rather see them do something similar to the Tau's original incarnation, and roll them in with the various minor xeno factions to create a 'other residents of the galaxy' type thing.

>>51247277
I feel you, the push back I got, telling me how much of a faggot I was just for pointing out that Curze is a Demon Primarch and is returning with the Fall of Cadia.
"Typical Night Lords faggot"
"Shittest faction/Primarch"
Etc etc
I like that the Night Lords are pretty boy heroes.

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>>51247436
ERM... Aren't***
#phoneposting

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with cadia gone, does that mean that Savlar Chemdogs (pictured) might get models?

Hopefully it's just Cadia falling and they'll move the plot on in the area. I'd be surprised if GW don't do a box set for each stage of the fall of the Imperium.

>Fall of Cadia, Pylons go
>Expansion of Eye of Terror, chaos reaching new worlds
>Imperium tries to stop it?
>War on terra

That's a bunch of money they could be milking rather than the one big release style of AoS.

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Can someone fill me in here on what's going on/where I can read about it?

Is this all happening in the Gathering Storm book, and now another one is coming out?

Something about Fenris under attack, was that a BL novel?

>>51247470

Cadains arent gone

Just becasue the planet blew doesnt mean shit they are like Taintih 2.0

Catachans might be new poster boys though 3e baby

>>51247511
>Fenris got smacked down by Magnus, Planet of the Sorcerers dragged in to real space
Source is WoM supplement
>Cadia destroyed by Abaddon, previous black crusades weren't failures, they were long scale plans to destroy other pyloned world's (Cadia being the last). Celestine is a warp entity made by the Emperor. Etc
Source is Gathering Storms PT.1 (The Fall of Cadia)

>>51247511
Fall of Cadia storyline. Shit's going down and everyone knows it, Abaddon lays the smackdown on Cadia, Trazyn the infinite decides he doesn't like the idea of Chaos winning so hops down and starts shitting out all the imperials he's capped over the years, tells the imperials how to make the pylons go into overdrive

Celestine shows up, but the pylon activation fucks her connection to the emperor, Abaddon wrecks the last basion of the Imperium on Cadia as this happens, but Celestine has enough energy left to plung a sword into Abaddon's spin, he teleports away afterwards as the pylons overload due to chaos pouring energy all around the planet, blows Cadia to bits

Remaining black templars force, Mechanicus force, and whatever else are around are saved when a Dark Eldar shows up and offers to lead them through the webway, end book. Now we're moving onto an eldar storyline for book 2 it seems.

>>51247511
>>51247562
Oh also
>What is google

>>51247511
Also yes. Gathering Stoems PT.2 is coming out soon.
The story is progressing, though they are not fully AoSing it.

>>51247515
He knows Cadians aren't gone, he just wanted an excuse to post his cringey gas mask guy.

>>51247470
Just googled Savlar chemdogs.
Found this cringey as fuck post about them
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/288926.page
Bonus points if you don't cringe at the end of the OP

>>51247681

They have been in a lore for a while kinda a boring regiment

>>51247713
Yeah, a no more exciting penal Legion, unless you are in to BDSM gas mask dudes.
I will admit I enjoyed reading about how they were set loose and allowed to steal

>>51247681
>hey this isn't as bad as anon was making it out to-
>oh fuck

>>51245113
please dont do this to me and my daemonettes

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>>51237349

>>51247681
Mother of God.....the cringe! The cringe!! Jesus fuck............people like that still exist????

>>51240476

>>can we please make all 500 faggoty space marine chapters just be one army now please?

No, because it's better for GW profits that they remain separate.

>>51245381

I can't wait for GW to do whatever it is they're planning with Elves in AoS so this remove Slaanesh maymay can finally end. At this point some people are so deluded that only being bashed over the head by a baseball bat with neon lights on it will force them to shut up.

>>51245805

Skaven still are there own faction, them being part of Chaos is just them going back to their roots in a way. They're Chaos in the same way that Chaos Dwarfs are Chaos in which the word means they make use of magic and daemons and such, not that they give a damn about Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh in any way.

>>51246509

There was nothing wrong with them killing the Sisters in the first place, people only thought as much because they either had some foolish notion that the Grey Knights are shining exemplars or because they're dumb enough to think that if you make use of blood for its mystical properties than you have to worship Khorne, despite the fact that blood having an inherit mystical power is a common trope.

>>51246603

Necrons completely tarnish Chambers for how bad their original lore is and how unnecessary they are as a faction.

Clues....
....

The red eldar is a "small" Wraith-Construct that works thanks to an "old and rare" stone, he is always accompanied by Iyanna Arienal and Eldrad Ulthran, until the middle of the book where it is revealed who it is.

Other parts of the book describe dark eldars faced on two sides, with a confrontation between Malys and Vect forces in the Khaine's Gate what will endangers all commorragh

....

wait & see

>>51249085
>The red eldar is a "small" Wraith-Construct that works thanks to an "old and rare" stone, he is always accompanied by Iyanna Arienal and Eldrad Ulthran

Too obvious. You can already guess the identity.

>>51249187
Guess for me

>>51249602
Arcane Battleseer.

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>Trazyn had to be dragged in chains to biotransference.

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Who dis

>>51240841
>namefagging
>calling anyone else an edgy teen

What pisses me off the most about all this

Fall of Cadia. It was about everyone but Cadia. It was just more fucking marinewank as an entire faction of tabletop just got axed.

I bet you money that instead of making a new "IG" faction they will shove the new stromtroopers down our throats and scions will be the new "IG"

>>51250318
>more fucking marinewank

Are you fucking serious? Really? I guess Chaos is marines now too. Let's just call EVERYTHING "marine".

>>51250345
Chaos IS Marines....

Chaos MARINES....

>>51240841
I hope they fucking kill 40k so you people will actually get them to revert things with your asspain and maybe we'll get the good Warhammer back when they revert Fantasy as a consequence.

>>51250042
No one knows yet, a popular theory is that he's the striking scorpions phoenix lord who went dark eldar. Though likely to be some new character.

>>51250458
>lumping CSM wank together with marine wank

That's fucking stupid and you're fucking stupid. That's like saying Axis wank is Allied wank because they're both humans and militaries. When people complain about "marinewank" or "too many marine releases" they NEVER mean CSM, unless they are the 0.0001% of fucking complete dipshit retards like yourself.

>>51250345
Chaos IS Marines, yeah. That's actually part of the problem.

I know that GW is vague as fuck when it comes to numbers, but when Wrath of Magnus came out, did it ever give an approximation of universal numbers to them? It mentioned their silver towers popping up the galaxy over, but that thousands upon thousands alone invaded fenris, enough to be wiped out in droves and still be numerous. I figure there aren't just a thousand left, and they've picked up numbers since the scouring.

>>51250594
That's awesome. He is really cool looking. I want him in my corsair

>>51250614
>all those cultists, zombies, daemon princes, daemon engines, and daemonkin sure are marine-like

>>51250614

Clearly not, considering GW is doing better than they have in years.

Marines keep the company afloat.

>>51247470
What the hell is going on it that picture? Is she huffing urine and pissing in a bag?

>>51237377
Is this a shitty meme or for real? Where did this come from?

>>51247567
Wrong
Phalanx blasted the black fortress
Abaddon put engines on the fragments in a matter of minutes and smashed them into the planet
This messed up the grid just as there was a surge and caused the break up
Lots of imperials got away but abaddon sensed cawl had an artifact reminiscent of what happened on Davin so that triumvirate get chased down to an outer cadian planet
They are chased and half the Templar crusade die but this allows eldar to ambush and slaughter the chaos wankers
Then the imperials enter the webway - implied Celestine knew about the eldar and worked with them

>>51242846
That end bit in the beast arises suggests eldrad was trying to create the krorks as a way to wake up gork and mork and create a force against chaos but they got out of control

>>51250318
>It was just more fucking marinewank as an entire faction of tabletop just got axed.
But that's wrong in about every single way you dumb namefag.
Marines got their asses handed to them. CSM looked like poorly written failures. Creed called abby a bitch and then celestine made the armless one litterally spineless as well. Cadians were in no way axed, there's billions of them still around and quite a few planets named "nova cadia" to keep producing more cadians.

You could perhaps not be more wrong

>>51237349
So, how long until the next book?

>>51251339
Up for preorder Feb 4th apparently

>>51251184
Anything involve Eldrad sure will end up badly.

>>51250655
I did the math on it and there are around 9000 TSon sorcerers minimum as of WoM. I have no idea how this is justified by the fluff. But thats waht happens when two Spaceyiffs write your supplement.

>>51251030

It comes from a quote by Ahriman that was in a video GW released today, in which he talks about how the Eldar used to be able to reincarnate. Aeldari could be the world or one of the words for the race pre-Fall.

>>51247203
Late 3e, early 4e. Between the experimental assault rules and Dark Angel's stripped down 4e codex.

>>51251284
Nope, the CSM actually looked good. I mean they were cut off from their gods and they gave zero fucks. In fact, they cared more about seeing the Emperor's light die than feeling their gods pleasing drain away. This made them fight with even greater zeal That's hardcore.

And about Abaddon? It was 3 (also2 sisters bodyguards+a number of IG and Creed's command unit ) vs 1 situation, motherfucker. Celestine, Creed and his IG goons, and Greyfax. One after another taking shots at Abaddon. Despite having his power drained away by the Pylons, he tanked them all. Greyfax blinded him and froze him in place in agony? He used his owm will power to resist the psychic onslught and regain his senses. Creed and his goons surrounded and shooting him to pieces? Charge unto and then reduce them to pieces of meat. Celestine, whom he just beat to the dirt earlier, stab him in the spine? he walked it off. Dude was a walking tank of hate and there was no stopping.

But most importantly he outwitted the Imperials and sealed the fate of the planet before he even landed. He won before he made planetfall. He crashed the Blackstone on Cadia and began the end of the galaxy. Abaddon had a good showing if you weren't a biased bitch you would see that.

Also speaking about bitches. Goes who lost his mind over his defeat and had woman take command while he squirmed in despair. Creed. When he spanned back he stayed behind on a dying planet rather than go with the Imperials and fight another day. Dooming himself and the 8th regiment to death. Unfortunately, Trazyn choose to spare his life.

>>51251887
Con'ted....

>Cadians were in no way axed, there's billions of them still around and quite a few planets named "nova cadia" to keep producing more cadians.

Don't you lie to me. The Cadians outside Cadia were butchered in Mont'ka and Shield of Baal. There aren't many left outside Cadia.

The FoC has these 2 million Cadians being the last hope for the Cadian bloodline to prosper and renew somewhere else in the Imperium. It presented their possible deaths as the end of the Cadian bloodline. So who are you to tell me there are billions of Cadians out there?

Getting sick of illiterate Imperial fanboys.

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>>51248905
>Necrons completely tarnish Chambers for how bad their original lore is and how unnecessary they are as a faction.

Fuck you too..

>Skaven still are there own faction, them being part of Chaos is just them going back to their roots in a way. They're Chaos in the same way that Chaos Dwarfs are Chaos in which the word means they make use of magic and daemons and such, not that they give a damn about Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh in any way.

They are Chaos because they are Chaos mutants the same as the Beastmen and also worship a Chaos God.

Eat a dick, degenerate.

>>51251905
>So who are you to tell me there are billions of Cadians out there?
As an sides to your inane rant there are millions of Cadians that were not present on Cadia. To deny this would be futile. Also retired Cadian regiments created many Nova Cadias so there truely is no credence to your point here.

>>51252241
You aren't a fluff writer, motherfucker, FoC presents the 2 million as the last hope of the Cadian bloodline. To deny the fluff for your headcanon is futile.

>>51252284
Lol sure thing champ. Really compelling argument lmao.

>>51252361
There is no argument. What's in the fluff is not a subject of discussion. If GW write down that Cadians are extinct in FoC, then they are extinct.

>>51252413
:^)

Ok buddy I didnt realise this was an autism thread. Later.

>>51252435
Are you actually retarded or do you just act like it?

>>51252495
He is retarded. A lot of Imperialfags are like that.

>>51252591

Xenosfags and Chaosfags are way worse, and those are the only two camps you can be in if you're not an Imperialfag, so lol @ u

>>51252591
>ITT Chaosfags talk shit while the GW fluff and crunch writers suck their dicks.

>>51252636
Nope, xenofags and Chaosfags (excepting nidfags) at least stick with the fluff in discussions.

Imperialfags be like : LA LA LA LA I cam't hear you. Here have some headcanon.

>>51252689

Yeah because "Daemon Primarch Curze Prophet of the 8th" isn't a thing.

>>51252729

Or Belakor and Carnac.

Or Taufags denying that pre-FTL Tau Empire couldn't exist and that non-Ethereals literally couldn't comprehend the vastness of a single Imperial hive city in the 4E codex.

Yes, I'm sure it's JUST YOU special snowflakes who aren't huge raging faggots like every fucking one else in this hobby.

>>51252729
Dude is a known troll from 30K threads. And people pointed out that Decimus is the Prophet.

>>51252495
>>51252591
>Its a guy samefags an noone calls him out on it episode
K.

>>51252742
>Or Taufags denying that pre-FTL Tau Empire couldn't exist

It exists because the fluff says so.

>that non-Ethereals literally couldn't comprehend the vastness of a single Imperial hive city in the 4E codex.

That was one guy from a Gav-T novel. The Tau in 4th ED conquered Nimbosa which is a Hive World

So what I am saying about Imperial cancer not sticking to the fluff replacing it with headcanon?

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>>51252742
>Or Belakor and Carnac.

Who do you think
>>51251887
>>51251905
>>51252689
etc. is?

Who do you think has been posting in the thread since >>51241208?

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>>51252755
>It's the paranoid and retarded Imperialfag daily show

Dig yourself a bigger hole.

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>>51252784

>>51252790
Still waiting for an apology and admission that Necrodermis = Living Metal.

Just in case you needed a reminder.

>>51252814
>get proven wrong
>It's bait

Anyways be right back.

>>51252845
Dont forget his sister of silence dont exist after the heresy tirade.

>>51252858
Not the guy your arguing with Carnac I dont bother with you trust me.

>The huge surge of warp energy shifts something in the hive mind and breaks the language barrier
>Tau goes back to its roots of assimilating other aliens into the empire
>Bug-fish coalition of the 2 biggest commie factions is formed and the power from the east rivals the eye of terror
>Nids will finally have good mcs an gcs again

>>51252868
Because you would be proven wrong most of the time. I mean you would try but fail. That's why you baitcalling.

>Dont forget his sister of silence dont exist after the heresy tirade.

You are really clueless. This is me >>51252845

That anon owes me an apology,

>>51253018
Do you have OCD? You have to respond every time dont you? Is that you mental illness?

>>51253038
Not really. I ignored some posts. It would be rude to not to respond to posts directed at me.

And the same goes to you. Go away!

>>51253066
>Freindly reminder that Carnac has become an insult

>>51237575
Calling it now. Slanesh dies and is replaced by the hive mind

>>51252413
But they didn't.

Did you even read the fucking book?

>>51253207
>But they didn't.

That's why I said "IF". I already acknowledged that all that remains of the Cadian are 2 million in my other posts. What's with the bad reading comprehension here?

>>51253092
Or a person who is right.

>>51253274
>Or a person who is right.
Denial is a good strategy I guess.

>>51253292
Having proofs is a better one.

>>51253316
Find proof of someone using Carnac as a compliment for being right then?

i'll wait ;^)

>>51253351
Ask the guys who keep being called Carnac for stating the truth.

Notice that Imperialfags derailed the thread because it was going somewhere they didn't like. Now that we know that Cadian bloodline is 2 mil strong, we can return back to the Eldar.

How do you guys like this knew name for the Eldar? Aeldari? Sounds eerily close to one of the Elven race name in WoW doesnit it?

>>51253393
Cause thats what it's used for ;^)

Like I said denial was a good strategy. Should have stuck with it instead of being forced to prove something like normal. I'll wait.

>>51253274
>I already acknowledged that all that remains of the Cadian are 2 million in my other posts.

Which is blatantly wrong. If you've ever read an Imperial Guard codex or book in your life.

Hence why Cadian regiments are in a fuckload of major battles all the time and their kit is the standard model for loads of other imperial guard troops.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadian_Shock_Troopers

Read nigga. Or just admit you are trolling Imperialfags because you want to savor the one big battle Chaos won by just blowing up the planet (the most logical paths of victory all things considered).

>>51253464
>Which is blatantly wrong. If you've ever read an Imperial Guard codex or book in your life.

Nope, FoC presents these 2 million as the only hope for the Cadian bloodline to survive.

So if anyone who is blatantly wrong, it's you. So how the Fuck are you going to factor in this new fluff in your head. You gonna just ignore it or link another wiki article?

>>51253509
>Nope, FoC presents these 2 million as the only hope for the Cadian bloodline to survive.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>51253531
So.....are conceding or what? I don't see any counterpoint or proof on your side.

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>>51237349

Can somebody take a picture of the book I'm legit going what the f*ck. Is it true that the Tanith Imperial Guard are in the Fall of Cadia?

Reading this on Lexicanum;Inquisitor Greyfax and her retinue, Horus Heresy-era Ultramarines, Vostroyans, Tanith Imperial Guard, and Salamanders. However these reinforcements are overwhelmed by a newly summoned horde of Daemons.[16b]

Now what the f*** *** f**** F***** does this mean that I can bring out my old ass OOP Tanith models to fuck shit up? I've been waiting since the god damn 3rd edition guard Codex to start using my ghosts again.

>>51253542
Youre such joke lmao. I cant believe your real. Do you seriously believe anything you say?

>>51253551
>Can somebody take a picture of the book I'm legit going what the f*ck. Is it true that the Tanith Imperial Guard are in the Fall of Cadia?

Trazyn unleashes a group Tanith snipers from his collection. They died, though.

>>51253556
Ad hom. You just lost the argument. Congratulation.

The Cadians bloodline, as of FoC, is down to 2 million.

>>51253577
Lol I cant stop laughing AHAHa dude stop it your such a special little fella arent you.

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>>51253509
Eye of Terror page 37 YOU DUMB FUCKING SHIT. THOUSANDS OF REGIMENTS STATED TO BE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM.

Your figure were the 3 million OFF OF CADIA ITSELF.

NOT THE THOUSANDS OF REGIMENTS ALREADY OFF PLANET.

Hence why there is an entire list of notable cadian battles that are NOT ON CADIA, FUCKTARD.

What a legitimate dumbass. Who the fuck do you think you are kidding troll?

Is that clear enough for you, or will my all caps jerk your troll boner hard enough to admit your true intentions.

>>51253577
Only if all the Cadians were on Cadia itself which is false.

Hence why Cadia Secundus and Teritus are also mentioned in FoC and statistically have their own survivors too.

>>51253621
>Eye of Terror page 37

Old canon. Find something in FoC or newer please. Refer to to >>51253577

>>51253649
Youre fucking unreal lmao waht is wrong with your brain that you can be this twisted up inside lol.

You picked a one off line in a 140 page story and now anything that contradicts it is now headcanon and wrong. Its unbelievable.

>>51253649
Old canon that doesn't conflict with the NEW CANON.

It literally covers what the Cadians were doing before the entire 13th Black Crusade. Hence why Cadian regiments are in a shitload of major battles throughout the imperium.

You are wrong and have no proof, how does it feel bitch? Prove me wrong, and prove that every Cadian was on fucking Cadia itself. Or you automatically lose this argument I'm afraid for lack of knowledge about Imperial Guard fluff 101.

>>51253638
Not with that crippled fleet. The Phalanx and Cawl took the guys from Cadia itself. The rest of the planets are fodder for the Eye now.

>>51253649
Eye of Terror is still relevant because it covers the previous 12 crusades.

>>51253697
>Not with that crippled fleet. The Phalanx and Cawl took the guys from Cadia itself. The rest of the planets are fodder for the Eye now.

There are other shuttles and fleets, and the planets I mentioned were actually getting blown up and probably evacuated some of their survivors too. Because they had their own ships and were escaping before Cadia proper fell.

There's a LOT of Cadians around, and Cadian successors too.

>>51253697
>Every Cadian crusade fleet is now no longer Cadian according to Carnac
;^) time for youre meds I think buddy.

>>51253692
It conflicts because if there were a substantial amount of Cadians out there, threat of the Cadian bloodline being destroyed if these two million were exterminated wouldn't been mentioned by that book.

Also the major battles that the Cadians took part in in 999 41K a few months before the 13th Black Crusade ended up to wholescale massacres with the decimated Cadians returning back to Cadia.

>>51253733
>There are other shuttles and fleets,

The Black Crusade crippled the sector fleet. The ships defending the Cadian Gate apart from the Space Wolf strike vessel were unable to be mobile.

So no evac for anyone.

>>51253706
It's not. It's retconned fluff.

And the Black Legion supp covers the new crusade fluff.

>>51253737
>Also the major battles that the Cadians took part in in 999 41K a few months before the 13th Black Crusade ended up to wholescale massacres with the decimated Cadians returning back to Cadia.

Nope, now you are just filling in the blanks to make up for your bullshit. Warp travel and warzones do not allow all Cadians (or any Imperial Guard regiment) to return to their homeworlds easily.

Its why the Cadians have the Interior Guard in the FIRST PLACE, because they cannot be sure that they can return all their troops.

Also losing your homeworld and a lot of your people tends to threaten your bloodlines pretty bad, but again its a threat not a certainty. It would certainly be difficult to establish a true unified successor state to make as a Nova Cadia, but its not like Fortress Worlds are really that unique.

Hell Cadia has been destroyed before by the Word Bearers with exterminatus weapons during the Great Crusade and they still managed to reclaim it during the 32nd millenium and fortified it better about half a millenium after the 2nd black crusade.

Necron tech isn't exactly super scarce too, half of their buildings are fucking pylon shaped and Necrons are warp resistant for a reason.

>And so, a shrunken fleet of battered vessels and weary souls left Cadia’s orbit, and set course for the system’s edge. The Eye of Terror, no longer contained, spilled from its ancient bounds, a crimson trail of roiling flame bleeding through the Cadian Gate and into the galaxy.

>There was no jubilation aboard the fleet, no sense of victory, despite the odds endured. Too many had perished before Greyfax issued her evacuation order, and even then a bare fraction of Cadia’s surviving outposts had heard the desperate vox-cast. At the Thirteenth Black Crusade’s inception, Cadia had been a world of some 850 million souls. Scarce three million now sought salvation from Abaddon’s forces. The legend of Cadia might yet one day endure on another, distant world, but now its bloodlines teetered on the brink.

-Fall of Cadia

The other planets and outposts in the Cadian Gate were consumed by the Eye or destroyed by the victorious Chaos fleets.

Now only 2 million of Cadians are left. Considering that the Webway gate was on the planet, I am having a hard time imagining that the Space Marines and Eldar would waste time landing the Cadians on the moon and throwing them inside the Webway. Especially as the planet was being besieged by Chaos.

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>>51253777
>The Black Crusade crippled the sector fleet. The ships defending the Cadian Gate apart from the Space Wolf strike vessel were unable to be mobile.

After the final battle over Cadia proper, other planets that were falling had plenty of time to fall back.

>>51253777
>It's not. It's retconned fluff.
What part? That Cadians sent out like 50% of their population as part of the Imperial Tithe as regiments to fight all over the galaxy?

Nothing in Fall of Cadia counters that at all, it just deals with guys on Cadia which makes sense.

Is english your first language? Because you seem unable to remotely read or even comprehend the absolute shitload of other books and codexes that prove you wrong every time they have a Cadian Regiment listed in their roster.

>>51253874
>Now only 2 million of Cadians are left.
Only 2 million Cadians got off the planet.

Big difference.

>>51253874
Its a Carnac tries to crowbar his reading of a text as canon episode.
Uh Oh SpaghettiOs.

>>51253876
>Is english your first language?
If it was, he wouldn't still be doing this >>51252845.

>>51253827
>Hell Cadia has been destroyed before by the Word Bearers with exterminatus weapons during the Great Crusade and they still managed to reclaim it during the 32nd millenium and fortified it better about half a millenium after the 2nd black crusade.

Repopulated by a whole different people. New bloodline.

It's like saying the original people of Armageddon have relation with the new settlers of Armegeddon Post-Reign of Fire/Months of Shame. Which is silly.

>Necron tech isn't exactly super scarce too, half of their buildings are fucking pylon shaped and Necrons are warp resistant for a reason.

Abaddon spent 10K years destroying those Pylons. Each time he destroys the set the work load intensives on the surviving ones damaging them and empowering Chaos in the process. There are a set number of pylons left in the galaxy and one who built them has been long since dead. Read the FoC already. It's been posted in the general.

>Warp travel and warzones do not allow all Cadians (or any Imperial Guard regiment) to return to their homeworlds easily.

But return they did. The survivors of Mont'ka and Shield of Baal were making their way to Cadia.

>Also losing your homeworld and a lot of your people tends to threaten your bloodlines pretty bad, but again its a threat not a certainty. It would certainly be difficult to establish a true unified successor state to make as a Nova Cadia, but its not like Fortress Worlds are really that unique.

See >>51253874

>>51253914
He can't handle the fact the Imperialfags just whooped his ass with logic from the same sourcebooks his Chaoswank ass is spouting.

Also as an Imperialfag I did like Fall of Cadia, because the way it went down made sense to me. Blowing up the planet with blackstone wreckage and overloading the necron pylons with trayzen/ad mech fuckery seems like the most logical way for Cadia to fall.

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>>51241208
Our
Valiant
Warlord

>>51253950
>Abaddon spent 10K years destroying those Pylons. Each time he destroys the set the work load intensives on the surviving ones damaging them and empowering Chaos in the process. There are a set number of pylons left in the galaxy and one who built them has been long since dead. Read the FoC already. It's been posted in the general.

>Set number
>laughing necron throneworlds.

They have plenty of antiwarp weapons and gear of all sorts, its kind of their spiel. Try reading the latest Necron codex too. I'd hate for you to "misunderstand" another faction :)

>>51253876
>After the final battle over Cadia proper, other planets that were falling had plenty of time to fall back.

You need proof before stating that. Also it wasn't before. It was before Chaos invaded Cadia directly and before the Cadia exploded. The fleet was in shambles.

>Is english your first language? Because you seem unable to remotely read or even comprehend the absolute shitload of other books and codexes that prove you wrong every time they have a Cadian Regiment listed in their roster.

Newer canon trumps older. If there are Cadians out there in big numbers, then the legend and bloodlines of Cadia wouldn't be in danger by the death of these two million.

>What part?

Nearly all of it.

>>51253950
>See >>51253874
Stop doing that. You are quoting irrelevant posts that do not counter the pre-existing fluff of Cadians being on other planets too or in space.

Stop trying to RAW your incorrect interpretation of the fluff anyways. You should read more fluff first.

>>51253986
>They have plenty of antiwarp weapons and gear of all sorts, its kind of their spiel. Try reading the latest Necron codex too. I'd hate for you to "misunderstand" another faction :)

The latest Necron codex says nothing specifically about the effectiveness of Necron anti-Warp tech.

Their 5th ED codex says that their anti-warp tech is inferior to psychic powers in countering the warp. They take a lot of power to function and are really fragile.

>>51254009
"The legend of Cadia might yet one day endure on another, distant world, but now its bloodlines teetered on the brink"

2 Million, anon. that's all that's keeping the Cadia bloodlines and its legend from extinction.

>>51253950
>But return they did. The survivors of Mont'ka and Shield of Baal were making their way to Cadia.
Nothing indicated that they made it back in time for the fall of cadia. Hell, the space wolves and the daemon primarchs were heading to cadia and never made it either, as were loads of imperial forces.

>>51254019
>Thats his proof
LOL

>>51253989
>If there are Cadians out there in big numbers, then the legend and bloodlines of Cadia wouldn't be in danger by the death of these two million.

Yes it would, there's no magic number to determine their bloodline was in trouble.

If someone killed your whole family and burned your house down, I think you would agree your bloodline would be in a bit of trouble too.

Use your brain m8.

>>51253960
You

see

>>51254019


Also

>overloading the necron pylons with trayzen/ad mech fuckery

Trazyn did not overload the pylons. Imperialfags wrongfullly blamed Trazyn for no reason. He literally gott hem working for Cawl and saved the Cadian asses more than one.

It was the breaking of the planet that ruined the pylon network and shut it down. The planet didn't explode, it was split it half by the moon sized Blackstone shards smashing into it. Imperialfags are just racists looking for someone to blame for their failure.

>>51254019
2 million from cadia and a bunch of scattered remnant regiments who have to rebuild their world and their traditions and society somewhere else.

Yeah sounds really bad, like if their BLOODLINE was in danger if they didn't think ahead and scatter their people just doing typical Imperial Guard things of sending regiments across the galaxy to fight and probably die.

>>51254019
>2 Million, anon. that's all that's keeping the Cadia bloodlines and its legend from extinction.
2 million OFF CADIA.

#NotAllCadians

>>51254019
Those 2 million cadians are the only hope for the future bloodlines because they come from the civilians who actually stayed back on cadia and are able to breed. but they aren't the only cadians left in the whole galaxy. There are likely tens if not hundreds of millions of them left out there, engaged in active war zones and never to return home to reproduce due to the heavy casualties

>>51254024
>Hell, the space wolves

The Space Wolves made it to Cadia. FoC features Space Wolves. Also before FoC, the Ragnar Blackmane novel has Logan, Ragnar, and Ulrick being present on Cadia but were forced to withdraw after seeing that Cadia was dying.

>the daemon primarchs

The BL supp says that the Daemon primarchs require the Eye of Terror to expand and become stronger before they can manifest. This required Cadia's pylons to go away. Now they did, now they will come out.

There is more than enough time for the Cadians elsewhere to arrive.

>>51254039
>Yes it would, there's no magic number to determine their bloodline was in trouble.

There doesn't need to be. The fluff is quite clear. Without those 2 mil, there would be no legend or bloodlines of Cadia left. They were at the brink of extinction.

>>51254010
>Their 5th ED codex says that their anti-warp tech is inferior to psychic powers in countering the warp. They take a lot of power to function and are really fragile.

True which is why their important worlds have Null Field Matrixes or war formations of monoliths and gloom pylons.

Necrons counter that by having a lot of power and guarding the fragile tech, still works fine.

If Necrons actually completed their Great Work, Chaos wouldn't have existed from all the random pylons shutting off the warp entirely. And as we saw in FoC that would fuck over the Imperium too.

>>51254024
>Nothing indicated that they made it back in time for the fall of cadia. Hell, the space wolves and the daemon primarchs were heading to cadia and never made it either, as were loads of imperial forces.
Who knows, there might have been some CADIANS in those fleets.

It must be crazy talk lol.

>>51254100
>#NotAllCadians intensifies.

>>51254061
>Trazyn did not overload the pylons. Imperialfags wrongfullly blamed Trazyn for no reason. He literally gott hem working for Cawl and saved the Cadian asses more than one.

We didn't need the pylons working full blast, Saints and the Legion of the Damned were doing okay.

>>51254100
The 2 million number clearly means civil or normal people
Not just literally the only cadians ever

>>51254146
They weren't. They were being overrun by waves and waves of daemons.

Bloody Trazyn had to interfere more than one to save the day. From disabling the Chaos Baneblade to spawning the Imperials forces trapped in his pocket. Even those new arrivals were swiftly overrun and brutally killed off.

The Pylons gave the Imperials a victory and chased Abaddon off the world. But as we know it wasn't really a victory, Abaddon won 23 minutes ago.

>>51254171
They literally picked them off the battlefield. There was nothing of Cadia left except a single fortress. So what civilians?

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>>51254182
>But as we know it wasn't really a victory, Abaddon won 23 minutes ago.
Well Abaddon's not an idiot and cracking the planet is quite the retaliation.

If the Imperium somehow survives the End Times and reaches the Age of Emperor phase that will surely come (GW already releasing super special superwarrior Custodes to get us ready), I hope they turn the halves of Cadia into giant hemispheric planet-dreadnoughts that look like Omega from Mass Effect or High Charity.

>>51254195
The guys who move crates, cook food, and cleans the toilet.

The only civilians on Cadia are children and veterans. So I wager they picked up arms too.

>>51254171
>civilians on Cadia

I bet you think there's wolves on Fenris too.

>>51254238
>The guys who move crates, cook food, and cleans the toilet.

Military guy here. Guess who we use to do that shit in the military?

Protip: It's not civilians.

>>51254120
So because there were some cadians in those fleets, every cadian ever stationed anywhere in the galaxy made it back in time to die on the planet? The only crazy talk i see here is coming from your dumb ass

>>51254405
That would explain why the Cadian bloodlines/legend is on the brink of extinction.

>>51254419
Or maybe its because the majority of cadians are in active war zones and will never have the chance to reproduce.

Also i think the legend of caida and the quality of its soldiers had more to do with their training doctrines and the fact that they grew up on hells door step. Without this, it doesn't matter if your ancestors were cadians or not if you grow up on some faggot hive world where you don't have to learn how to shoot a lasgun by 3

>>51241208
I think it fits Emps more than Crons, based solely on the fact that other candidates are human as well

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>>51247681
>>51247713
>>51247876
>>51248481
>Implying you wouldn't a chemdog

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>>51254923
SA

>>51247681
>That artwork
>doesn't even make himself buff
This is why i avoid people

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>>51254936
VLAR

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>>51254951
CH

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>>51254957
EM

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>>51254966
DOGS

>>51253585
>Your
I weep for you

>>51255101
>No full stop
I weep for (You).

>>51247436
Curze is dead; he was killed/basically committed suicide during the heresy. He's not a daemon primarch.

>>51237575
>"The Hive Mind got looted by Orks. They are one faction now."
Who doesn't want a warboss riding a carnifex?

What are the differences between Imperial armour 1 and Imperial armour 1 second edition?

>>51249085
source?

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>>51251887
>Nope, the CSM actually looked good. I mean they were cut off from their gods and they gave zero fucks. In fact, they cared more about seeing the Emperor's light die than feeling their gods pleasing drain away. This made them fight with even greater zeal That's hardcore.
That's not hardcore, that's extremely shitty writing. The CHAOS space marines should be weaker without CHAOS, not stronger because "hurr they see the emperor's light go away so they fight stronger durr".
They lost all their daemon allies, all marks, the posseseses were basically out of commission, the daemon engines were powerless, amd the primary thing that makes them better than regular marines, their chaos powers, are gone.
I have no problem with chaos winning, but I do have a problem with such shitty writing.

>>51256255
Chaos Space Marines are still Space Marines, even if they didn't have access to their warp- and daemon-derived powers, and they were fighting ordinary humans. That the superhuman genetically-engineered killing machines had an advantage once all the magic was removed shouldn't be terribly surprising.

>>51256289

There was also imperial space marines there too and the imperials didn't have hordes of demons they suddenly lost.

>>51256289
>Chaos Space Marines are still Space Marines, even if they didn't have access to their warp- and daemon-derived powers, and they were fighting ordinary humans.
Except there were loyalist space marines and skitarii there. Both of which are not ordinary humans and would give no shits about the emperor's light going away.
Not to mention the lack of daemon engines would put the CSM at a severe disadvantage against the imperial armored divisions.

>>51256196
Ohhhh yis.

>>51256305
They were thin blooded younglings pf no more than 300 years. They don't have 10.000 years of experience with marine vs. maines combat.

>>51256342
That is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
loyalists without 10,000 years of experience beat CSM all the time. The deathwing for instance specialilizes in hunting down 10,000 year old CSM veterans.

>>51256255
It's not hardcore, it's retarded. Half of them should have dropped dead right away, because having an angry wolverine for your intestines isn't that great unless you have literal magic keeping you alive.

All this talk of pylons holding reality together is like an Age of the Emperor shaped blade hanging over the setting's head.

>>51256367
Most of the CSM aren't even original legionnaires anymore.

>>51256342
>marine """"""young bloods"""""" are able go beat 10k years veteran CSM with Chaos powers
>somehow anon thinks they wouldn't be able to beat them when they don't have chaos powers

Does it hurt being such a retard?

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Happening Lads.

Can't wait for the Orruks and BlackBound MurderGoreStorm to reach Terra only to find the Ultracast Eternals and Dispossed Abhorrent Necharach HyperLiches with Inter-Phased WebSlicerBlades waiting for them.

>>51253566
Wait, is Trazyn just using the Imperium as pokemon?

>>51237575
Orks will ally with Crons. a great mekanik will loot all the necron leaders

>>51256563
Pretty much. He only showed up on Cadia because he fancied playing the unlikely saviour for a while.

>>51256342
>>51256367
And just in case you want to dispute that CSM being veterans in no way means they should beat the loyalists here's a list of CSM losses to SM or ad mech, featuring a loss from every single legion:
Battle of Tryjon II
Kapua Uprising
Casvsarae Insurrection
Battle of the Iron Labyrinth
The gothic war (though abby did accomplish some of his goals, it's still an imperial victory)
Pandorax Campaign
Siege of Vraks
Black legion assault on Crythe
First war of Armageddon
The Cholercaust
Defense of Parathen City
The Garanhir Rebellion
Battle of Issajur
Battle of Kornovin
Black Crusade of Jihar the Lacerator
Battle of Eagle Gate
Battle of Cypra Mundi
Sabbat Worlds Crusade
Luxor Uprising
Battle of Omnissiah's Eye

So no, them being vets does not excuse this abomination of fluff. Without the power of chaos, the CSM should have lost.

>>51237575
Tau and Necrontyr are similar enough to find good reasons to combine tau with crons

>>51256657
Thanks for sharing with he group. Now please go kys.

>>51256450
>HyperLiches
This doesn't sound half bad, you know?
not as a name for a faction, but it would be a cool elite/hq unit name.

>>51245663
Dates in 40k are unreliable so his m42 stuff could be in m41

>>51256582
>mekanik
Is Mekboy, ya git!

>>51256768
Zog off, yuff

>>51254100

cadia sends 9/10 of its soldiers to other campaigns. only 1/10 is staying on cadia.

>>51256335
>Except there were loyalist space marines and skitarii there

Are you being a cunt on purpose? There were barely any marines left. Only ravaged remnants of battle companies that were organized into a single strike force.

The orginal skitarii on the planet were all but wiped out by a daemon prince's rampage. Cawl's skitarii were depleted fighting the Orks before coming to Cadia.

None Guard forces were scarce as hell. And again, Abaddon had non-daemon tanks.

>>51256305
>There was also imperial space marines

Did anyone read the book before talking about it here? Then you would know that there were barely any loyalist marines left when the pylons started up.

The loyalist space weenies were outnumbered many times over by the CSM. Ultimately the pylons caused Abaddon and his crew to bug out.

>>51256607
>the CSM should have lost.

And they did lose which necessitated Abaddon crashing the Blackstone fortress on the planet. So what's the problem? The Black Legion and only the Black Legion got a morale boost from seeing the Emperor's light die out. There are no statements about the other CSM.

>>51254405
Wrong quote, I'm one of the guys arguing that a good chunk of Cadians are scattered throughout the galaxy.

>>51257202
2 million

>>51237426
For fucks sake, it's probably an older term or one of the many native terms for the Eldar, stop getting your panties in a wad.

>>51257257
No, fuck you. I'm not calling them Aeldari because it sounds fucking ridiculous. And if I'm getting my panties in a wad you must be equally as butthurt to bother replying.
Nice try taking the superior ground fag.

>>51257578
Eldar is an Imperial corruption of Aeldari.

>>51257783
It's still retarded, because the Eldar already have a word for their own species.

>>51257796
From a different dialect.

>>51247681
Oh no. :(

>>51257796
Fucking voice of reason, thank you!

>>51257826
Except that doesn't fucking hold up because there's no way that "Dark Eldar" is mistranslated, unless the Eldar word for 'dark' is extremely close to the Imperial one in terms of pronunciation and sound. WOULDN'T THAT BE A FUCKING COINCIDENCE?!

>>51237575
This will NEVER be canon.

>>51254923
I don't want aids.
Also look at the bottom of that post to see the cringe.

>>51258925
What if I tell you there's no canon?

>>51255565
>Implying that space marines in the past haven't come back from the dead as Demon Princes
>Implying GW won't make as much money as possible by not bringing back all the Primarchs except Horus and Sangpenis
K, friendo

>>51256676
HyperBitches

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>>51257783
Calm down autismo, it just has an A and I on the end, and pretty much just sounds like eldar. (Ail-dar-ee)

>>51257175
The only "loss" that occurred was the hit to Abaddon's pride because he didn't succeed in breaking Cadia's spirit. Cadia was going to eat shit no matter what which is why the warpsmiths were adding engines to the remnants before Abby even really made planet fall. It was plan B in case plan A (actually firing the fortress) didn't pan out.

His pride was the only reason he went to the surface to begin with.

>>51237575
>The Hive Mind is C'tan

There IS a C'tan called The Endless Swarm.

The Silent King DID give a speech about the C'tan's to hate the most, Nightbringer and Deceiver were mentioned... along with The Endless Swarm

The Tyranids do ignore Necron Worlds

The Silent King does have a hardon hatred of Tyranids. Is it because they pose a great risk to the galaxy? Or because he subconsciously recognizes the C'tan's handiwork

>>51259052
>except Horus and Sangpenis
>Implying the Black Rage isn't a side effect of when Sanguinus attempts to possess a Blood Angel unworthy of him
>Implying Meph won't BECOME Sanguinus

>>51256607
This post is correct.

>>51253420
HI troll! It's me again - wanna go?

>>51260024
Yeah, the Sanguinor will get the consciousness of Sangpenis, but Sangpenis himself won't come back.
Also Abaddon will consume Be'lakor's power, and become the new Undivided Prince of Chaos, more than rivalling his father's power at height of chaos taint.

>>51257796
It's funny that both names sound exactly the same in my language. Eldari, Aeldari, potato, potato.

>>51256668
Is everything allright anon? You sure sound like an assblasted faggot