Give me ONE GOOD REASON why there can't be any female

>>51213281
you know samus is shit tier in 40k right ?
literraly btfo by anyscout.

>>51213281
They wouldn't be called Space Marines.

>>51213281
Because they'd be as shitty as your pic.

>>51213281
Because I'm a misogynist.

>>51213281
do you want smaller, slower, and weaker space marines ? then you dont do female space marines

>>51213281

The Emperor felt it was more efficient to simply transplant his geneseed into the physically stronger and more genetically compatible male sex.

There COULD be female space marines, sure. But why bother?

>>51213281

Samus would have been even stronger if she had been a male orphan rescued by the Chozo.

Genetics. It's a miracle that the Emperor as it is could manage to make the men of the species useful in a future where technology usurps the fragile human body.

Asking for two miracles seems a bit much.

>>51213281

The emperor didn't make them that way, and no one else knows how the hell to do it. Emps probably could have made female space marines, but he didn't. Do you honestly think the chucklefucks that run things now could? Look at their track record for trying to improve on existing marine strains, and tell me if you think they could make an entirely new one designed to interact with a different physiology entirely.

>>51213281
Females are yucky and they have cooties.

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Nothing useful will come of this thread.

Unless it becomes a Musclegirl SOB thread.

>>51213281
She's owned by Nintendo.

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Inside a suit of power armor, what the fuck does it matter how physically strong someone is?

>>51213426
Okay so you know nothing about 40k

>>51213281
Because why does it matter?

because women up until like 10 years ago, and even then there is only one of them, cannot be Benedictine monks. which is what the space marines are based off of.

>>51213426

Because 10x2 is greater than 10x1. Have fun when the power armor's power supply gives out too or you're caught outside the armor.

>>51213426
You think they are just human inside the armor ? are you retarded or just a troll ?

>>51213426

We already have women in power armor son, haven't you ever heard of the sisters of battle?

>>51213453

Everything else is Sci-fi fantasy hogwash to occlude the fact that they are based off a religious organization and British mothers tend to not buy toys for their 14 year old brats that are making fun of the church.

>why don't professional sports just use female athletes on steroids instead of male athletes on steroids
>why don't we implant all these genesperm and testosterone reliant organs and testosterone generating organs on a wimpy estrocunt instead of a male

>>51213480
>tries to make an argument based off of sales appeal determining the gender of the miniatures
>male space marines BTFO the sales of ANY other miniature, including females and non-humans COMBINED

>>51213281
I always took it as the Emperors genes being so radically different than most humans that it was a miracle he could even implant it into people who were the closest humanity could come to something similar to him, even if it was by a small pair of identical chromosomes.

From there he said fuck it and started mass producing them rather than wasting more resources and time trying to make the same thing a second time but with a different starting physiology to work with.

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>>51213281
Slaanesh would win. Imagine an entire legion of that body. No man can resist.

>>51213281
Estrogen. It literally inhibits the human body from developing properly.

>>51213378
>implying bird magic works better on dicks than tits

>>51213472
Yeah but they have second rate power armor that doesn't require a black carapace to use because they're not good enough for that.

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>>51213281
They'd be at best indistinguishable outside and mannish and unsexy underneath.

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>>51213518
>improperly grown
>this ass
>>>/out/

Neckbears get pissy easy

>>51213281
There used to be female space marines back in the RT days but they are obviously no longer canon. Just play Rogue Trader I guess, since there's no law forcing you to play only the most recent rules set.

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>>51213294
Naw son. Bird Magic make her survive on planets hundreds of times bigger than Earth.

>>51213501

Benedictine monks. No gene-seed, no fancy sci-fi words. The Emperor is Jesus, the Imperium is the Holy Roman Empire, the setting is at the fall of the Roman Empire when the hordes of chaos tore 'civilization' apart and the Space marines are monks as much as the sisters are nuns. That's it. everything else is 20 some odd years of trying to explain why no girls are allowed and how its totally not a bunch of edgy founders making fun of the vicar which is why it falls flat in every single argument every single time.

>>51213281

Because Space Marines are based on medieval Knightly Orders which, with only a handful of exceptions, were exclusively male.

Because SoB already fill the chicks-in-power-armour niche.

Because female Marines would be a shitty, tryhard gimmick without even the weirdness/grimdark factor of the canon snowflake Chapters.

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Reminder that if you fuck pics related, you fuck a flying jellyfish-birdwoman.

>>51213480
>British mothers tend to not buy toys for their 14 year old brats that are making fun of the church.

We're not rabid Bible-bashers like America. Even the Christians among us are nearly all squishy Anglicans. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone get religiously offended. Probably around the time we legalized gay marriage.

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>>51213616

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>>51213480
Catholics could not possibly be offended by something this cool.

It's Evangelicals who get all worked up about shit like Harry Potter, Pokemon, and dungeons and dragons anyway.

>>51213705

Now? certainly not. But we're not talking about right now. We're talking about back in the 80's when it was goofy as shit in the Rogue Trader era through the early nineties before it became a grimdark parody of itself. Everyone in this threads is always "no girls because this! because that!" well, these 'reasons' came later to make things more and more a coherent setting instead of the tongue-in-cheek black humor it was based off of which was mostly all parody.

>>51213819

on top of that I'm not even saying that there were offended catholics or priests. I'm saying it was easy Corporate logic to believe that parents were not going to buy toys for their kids that actively involved taking the piss out of the church

>>51213294
Thanks, anon, I needed a laugh.

>>51213281
Because GW say so and its their universe

>>51213690
Downy feathery pubes

>>51213281
Because Space Marines are a critique on masculinity concepts.

They're the epitome of MANLY HEROES in the western tradition, and just as John McLain can't stay married, Spess Muhreens are a critique on concepts of masculinity through their infertility and disinterest.

If you'd ever want to be a space marine, you're forgetting what they are-- living weapons missing an entire set of emotions. Primarchs are a bit different, but the whole point with Space Marines is that they aren't human. They're warrior monks turned up to 11 with a sampling of 80's film hero guys. 80's film hero guys may get the girl at the end of the film, but they can't keep a woman happy because stability/human relationships are inimical to their homosocial, violence driven narratives.
Space Marines are just that. Even Blood Angels, the most civilized, most "human" space marines have these deep emotional imbalances.
The whole idea is that in 40k love can't bloom because love can't bloom in action cinema or in medieval knight stories because the action man must put violence and duty above anything else, superheroes must sacrifice everything, ne? The ultimate sacrifice, then, is being able to partake in the humanity they defend.

That's why superheroes can never have stable relationships, why Peter Parker could never just be happy with Mary Jane. It's problematic because conventional hero narratives present women as an obstacle to manly duty. 40k plays that concept straight. So straight that it shows just how messed up conventional heroic narratives are.

If women were Space Marines, it'd wipe out that critique. Space Marines would become just one more ultraviolent, intolerant, kill-hungry role model. I think they'd be far less interesting for it.

>>51213616
>Reminder that if you fuck pics related, you fuck a flying jellyfish-birdwoman.

Is that not what man has dreamed of since first he gazed up at the stars?

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>Eldar
>Murderfucking space sluts
>Slaanesh

>Chozo
>magic bird people
>Tzeentch

>>51213910
Who the fuck let you out of your womyns studies class, you stupid fuck? Space marines are the ultimate pinnacle of what true men should be, not a limp-wristed cock gargling deviant's fucked up liberal arts wank about "gender roles"

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Nurgle just played Fusion. What does he do?

>>51214053
Triggered

>>51213281

1. Space Marines are best understood as shitty clones of their respective Primarch, as the gene-seed warps their bodies to make them more like their progenitor -- to the point where Horus and Alpharius' gene-seeds literally transformed their respective Marines into creatures resembling lesser versions of them.

The Primarchs are all male. 'Nuff said.

2. Space Marines are warrior monks. Monastic orders tend to be... distracted... when females are available. Similarly, the military tradition in almost all human cultures was almost exclusively male until very recently, and even then it's debatable whether mixed-gender units are a hindrance in combat operations.

3. The Emperor wanted regular humans, not mutants, to rule over humanity. If Space Marines had two sexes, with one able to bear children, they'd find a way to breed with them, and evolve beyond the need for humans. By making Space Marines dependent on humanity for reproduction, and hard coding that into their gene seed, Big E ensured that even the most fecund Legions would need a massive population of humans to support them.

>>51213910
I understand you're trying to make a point about something, but Salamanders.

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>>51213939
Look at this body. Do you notice the bird features?

>>51214075
>SA-X Marines.

I fear for the future.

>>51214075
So, let's say you put X-Parasites in a room with some Tyranids.

How hard would whatever came out of that room fuck over the galaxy?

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>>51213281
Well there was a female Primarch, once. She got purged.

>>51213281
Because giant armors with waifu heads wouldn't make sense and we know that's what 99% of those wanting female space marines want.
You wouldn't get Pharah from Overwatch out of the Space Marine creation procedure even if female space marines existed.

Canon Space Marines are barely humans, probably uncanny valley looking and sterile, and them having proportionnal genitalia for their size wouldn't make sense.
They are not idealized alpha males, and females space wouldn't be sexy Samuses.

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>>51214316
Bah! Next you're going to tell me female Orks wouldn't look like this either.

>>51213910
>That's why superheroes can never have stable relationships, why Peter Parker could never just be happy with Mary Jane
Joe quesadilla works for GW now?

>>51214075
>Chozo tried to get rid of X parasites
>Chozo is Tzeentch
>X is Nurgle

>>51214352
> Yarrickquestionshisresolve.jpg

>>51213910
>That's why superheroes can never have stable relationships

I thought it was because comic book writers are fucking hacks who have to retread the same bullshit over and over because they can't come up with decent ideas of their own.

>>51213454
It's more 10+2 vs 10+1

well, not that it matters since strength doesn't make a lethal stab wound any more lethal.

>>51213526
But inquisitors can have top of the line artificer armour and they still don't use black carapace.

>>51213281
Because Sisters of Battle aren't that far from them in stats, so the whole space marine thing clearly isn't that much stronger than pure uterine magic.

>>51213488
>wimpy estrocunt

The fact that you felt the need to type that instead of "female" implies that you have some issues, don't you?

>>51214053
Are you serious ? Space Marines are monsters.
Do you realize that they don't fuck, fight all the time, are steriles,ect... ?
True men are not eunuch warhounds.

>>51213455
So it shouldn't matter if they're female, right?

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>>51213294
You literally need to get a Librarian to fuck the continent she's on psychically because she can take almost any other non-psyker 1v1.

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>tfw you will never see Amberley use her Inquisition authority to secure an old STC codenamed "SNES" & play Super Metroid on it

>>51214308
If she survived then yes it could be ok if she had a chapter.
But I'm not sure they would really be l the other space marines as she looks physically a lot weaker than the other Primarchs

>>51214053
T-T-TRIGGERED

Maybe you should go back to your safe space at /pol/, anon.

>>51213864
>notanargument.png

>>51214684
Shall we argue about the color of the sky as well?

>>51214512
female would die in the process

>>51214523
[[[Citation needed]]]

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>>51214265
Time to leave. The galaxy is theirs now.

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>>51214720
>tfw you run but encounter Phazon infected Floodcursors instead

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>>51214715
As much fun as I have arguing Samus vs. 40k, that's a very general claim that doesn't have a single citation. Gonna need a more specific point of comparison before the autism starts.

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So there were at least ten of them right?

>>51213281
How do you know they're not female? Genetic augmentation is one hell of a drug.

>>51214236
>tfw they were fortunate to have named her Samus Aran & not Samus Eran

>>51215126
Using what I know of biology and organ transplant we find out one shocking fact. Gene seed would work on a woman, meaning that they could be scouts. The emplaned organs though are likely to fail and go Down with the ship. Since those are very precious that means the best you could do is a fairly boosted strength and some of the toughness enhancement that comes with mass bone density and muscle gains. Most she could become is a scout.

>>51213426
While driving a truck, what does it matter if you can't physically reach the pedals and are too weak to change gears?

>needpower2wieldpower

>>51213281
I want identity politics to stop ruining every piece of heroic fiction.

>>51215504
It would be identify politics if transgender black lesbians in wheelchairs needed to be space marines too you faggot.

>This completely unrealistic mutant supersoldier can't be a woman, because of realism
Are 40kids really this stupid?

>>51215534
>why is the gender that doesn't ever wage war not waging war in this piece of fiction like I wish it was?
>not identity politics
I agree, it's not radical identity politics, but women as warriors is the foot in the door that lets the whole retard parade of identity politics into your house.

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Because women aren't as strong as men, and as a result female space marines would be weaker than the male ones. Having a largely male army makes them easier to relate to as well as the overwhelming majority of the hobby is male. I am sure that other games pander towards your SJW rationale, but 40K isn't one of them.

>>51215539
Yes. 40K has always been big guys with big muscles and big armor as part of a male power fantasy and as way of compensating. Of course they don't want any girls.

Space Marines are a shitty idea. Good only as a status symbol. Give me the Guard the resources the Space Marines have & you'll see better results.

>>51215625
>>51215665
Fuck off samefag

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>>51214764
>X-nids come into contact with some phazon corrupted flood spores.

ow fucked is everything?

>>51215539
still much less retarded than Nintendogs

>>51215625
What is that WebM meant to prove? Military training is fucking hard, the majority of the men who go through it are going to seem a bit like that at some point.

That being said, there's not really an in universe justification for why there aren't female space marines, and with the amount of modification that happens to them, I really doubt that who they are as basic humans is going to be important at all. They're not just big guy, they're essentially a different species to humans.

Do you really think that the male ones grow to be like nine fucking feet tall because they've got some more testosterone flowing through them?

The sisters of battle are extremely dangerous with much less modification, because shockingly, once you get to the level of technology the 40k universe is at, a little less testosterone and slightly different frame isn't that big of a deal to overcome.

There aren't any female space marines because there doesn't need to be essentially, it's at best pointless, and at the worst, takes away from other parts of the setting.

>>51215644
>>51215539
Being so desperate you start writing to yourself

>>51215539
Organ transplant from male to female has a exceptionally high chance of failure. All necessary organs to make a full marine are derived from the source code of the Primarch.

All primarchs known to be recovered were male. See male host to female recipient transfer failure rate. Gene seed would help, but it can only do so much. The failure rate would be too prohibitive.

>Creating the means for Space Marines to reproduce
>Creating biological reproductive partners of equal durability, intelligence and lifespan to male Astartes
>Creating the one thing that could guarantee Space Marines have the capability to leave the Imperium and just live on their own, reproducing new generations
This is a recipe to undermine the loyalty of the Adeptus Astartes to the Emperor and His Dominion. Space Marines are already barely bound to humanity by anything other than selecting the most physical fit, loyal and bright of our young boys. If they didn't need the Imperium they might well fuck off. Or even WORSE they might stay put on their Chapter homeworld and start breeding an army to conquer other parts of the Imperium as their personal fiefdoms.

Although, I am assuming that alterations to Space Marines occur are on a genetic level, which I think is the case. If so, male Astartes+female Astartes+90 years= a dozen more fucking marines with no loyalty to the unenhanced citizens of the Imperium or its Regents in His absence. Those children might be loyal, but extrapolate that across 10,000 years and a whole lot more marine chapters would be more liable to go Renegade than they would otherwise with their clans. From the first time I saw the question "Why no female marines?" I assumed this was the answer: So the Adeptus Astartes are dependent upon the rest of the Imperium for reproduction, keeping them from growing out of control on a large scale

>>51213281
>you are tasked with building the most powerful truck you can
>why choose a diesel super duty when you can choose a 4 cylinder small pickup?
It may be a crap analogy but you get the idea.

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>>51215700

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>>51213281
When you actually get down to what exactly you are asking (genetically modified super-soldiers to the space marine standard), there are. Pic related is what one of them looks like.

At the time of the Great Crusade, grown men that couldn't accept geneseed were made into space marines by an elaborate process that was expensive and not nearly so streamlined or mass produced as geneseed. Luther, the Lion's best friend, is an example of one such soldier being "made into a space marine" without geneseed. All of the assassins undergo this same overly elaborate, ridiculously expensive process. Each temple's process is more specialized to their individual goals, yet each assassin is also better at those goals than space marines are.

However, it can't be done with geneseed. It just doesn't work without the male chromosome.

>it's another why aren't space marines girls reeee episode

>>51213910
> Peter Parker could never just be happy with Mary Jane
Go read a fucking comic.
Also stop talking about 40K, you retarded good for nothing college kid with too much spare time.

>>51215728
>build most cost inefficient truck
>not a fleet of trucks
Space Marine fags everyone. When you want to get shit done, call the Guard.

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>GIVE ME A REASON WHY WOMEN SHOULD BE SPACE MARINES
>OR WHY IT FUCKING MATTERS
>OR HOW SPACE MARINES ARE TAKEN FROM THE TOP PERCENTILE OF THE HUMAN POPULATION IN STRENGTH AND HOW WOMEN AT EXTREME PERCENTILES CAN BE THAT GOOD.
>AND THEN SURVIVE NEOPHYTE TRAINING AND THE LIKE.
>MOST IMPORTANTLY WHY FERAL WORLDERS (THE ONLY POPULATION THAT COULD FEASIBLY PRODUCE STRONGER THEN MODERN WOMEN) WOULD ALLOW WOMEN TO COMPETE IN THIS TRIAL WHEN THEIR POPULATION NEEDS WOMEN MORE THEN MEN.

>MOST IMPORTANTLY WHY DID YOU MAKE SUCH A SHIT BAIT THREAD

>>51215625
>implying all boots don't chew dirt the first 20 miles of ruck

Keep up with that isolated fantasy that women are weaker, though. Where's the rest of her platoon?

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Reminder that the resources thrown down the toilet that's the Space Marines could have been spent on the Guard.

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>>51213910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrmv6EPKfpg
Look man i love my humanities
but this is retarded
stop

>>51215819
Alexander the Great in space is the best thing in 40k.

>>51215819
which would have been like burning the ressource instead

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>tfw people use women for reproduction instead of cloning

>>51215839
Exactly. Using the resources correctly as fuel for incinerating the enemies of mankind.

>>51215789
except it would be a fleet of skateboards with IG, fag

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>>51215808
diff anon
>isolated fantasy that women are weaker
>fantasy
>what is sexual dimorphism
>why are men taller, build more muscle, localize and use fat differently to excel at physical labour. why are men's bones denser and their skeleton different, boxier wrists, higher center of gravity and smaller pelvis.
>what are male steroids, pain resistance being higher then women and faster movement tracking in eyes (less colour then women though)
Men are literally built to be physical labour of the sexes.
>

>>51215871
>skateboards
>when the Shit Morons are gone
It'll be a fleet of trucks. It'll be like Fantasy's Empire because they weren't dumb enough to piss away hundreds of valuable potential stormtroopers as washout serfs.

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>>51215933
Holy shit dude, we get it you like the guard.

>>51215706
>because they've got some more testosterone flowing through them?
I'm fairly certain Androgens are why men end up bigger then women, though that likely has more to do with muscle mass then hieght.
>a little less testosterone and slightly different frame isn't that big of a deal to overcome.
you say this is "shocking" but the only thing "shocking" to me is how you fail to realize how fucking lazy the imperuim is.
why waste unnecessary extra resources, there's a reason why flashlights exist and that's because you can charge it by thorough out it into the fire and it is durable.
and the ONLY reason the SoB are armed and armoured the way they are is politics and sectarian conflicts.
If it wasn't for the ban of fighting men for the church they likely wouldn't have as much armour, they would be all female storm troopers in carapace and fleur de lis

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>>51213281
It seems awfully transphobic of you to imply that Marines who transitioned through the gifts of Slaanesh are not female

Go back to /pol/ you fucking shitlord

>>51213281
Actual reason, and not trolling? Breeding. Look, lets be honest here: Even when the process of making a Space Marine is labour intensive, resource intensive, and has a high chance of fatality AND requires a very specific genetic capability, the Space Marine Legions, and chapters, grew at incredible speeds. Its even a modern day issue in 40k, that Chapters reproduce far too fast.

Now, imagine if Space Marines could BREED. Now remember, the Empetors goal was never to make a empire of Space Marines. He wanted HUMANS. Not tools of war, that their humanity ripped out, and their compassion extinguished. He made it so that due to their inability to procreate, there would always be a dependency on Humans, so as to force the marines to obey humanity. Think of how egocentric some chapters are in 40k. Now imagine if they never had to bother with the whole "human" thing at all.

Secondly, if Female Astartes existed, there would be no stopping the growth of chapters, or keeping them in check. Due to their superior phsysology, female Astartes would probably never die from births, and most likely, would never enter menopause, meaning that Marines would be flooding the Imperium.

Simply put, Space Marines are not humans. They werent meant to be humans. They were simply weapons, to be used, and eventually decomissoned.

>>51215940
Holy shit dude, we get it you hate efficient and getting shit done.

>>51215800
As someone posted like a couple posts above you, you realise there there assassins have plenty of females and are individually far greater soldiers than the vast majority of marines, right?

The reason there are no female space marines is because the writers don't feel it fits the image. In universe there's no real reason at all, let alone some "Yeah but women are generally weaker in real life with modern technology so therefore 40000 years in the future this must also be true".

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>>51215819
Reminder that infantile rivalries between the marines and the guard are pointless.

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>>51215933
>piss away hundreds of valuable potential stormtroopers as washout serfs.
a lot of those were feral worlders and couldn't adjust to life.
also good luck trying to organize that, deploy it maintain it etc.
>pic related a rough allegory to being a guardsmen quartmaster

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>>51213281
Whole chapters would fall to Khorne on a monthly basis.

>Blood for the Blood God.

>>51215991
Just have them become guardsmen or at least PDF. Feral world's & hive worlds can make guardsmen too.

>>51215971

Did it take this long to get to the canon reason? Jaysus.

The Sigilite's jest was a touch on the nose, though. Maybe if they'd been sisters they wouldn't have burned the whole damn thing down.

>>51215976
>have plenty of females and are individually far greater soldiers
I am aware of the crunch but i don't understand the fluff explanation it doesn't make sense to me.
We have post humans, with super human reaction time and biology but they are >>>> assassins
>"Yeah but women are generally weaker in real life with modern technology so therefore 40000 years in the future this must also be true
>40000 years in the future,
that's a perfectly reasonably assumption, given that every human bar post and above are homo sapians - sapians as in the emergent strain of modern human appearing in the last 5000 years, in say for minium example 20,000 years in the future humanity would look entirely different as a result of the "dark age of techonology" and the easy living that results from it.
We can play the WHAT IF evolution game but these humans shouldn't in theory resemble us at all.

>>51215991
If Ogryns can make it, they can.

>>51215958
>I'm fairly certain Androgens are why men end up bigger then women, though that likely has more to do with muscle mass then hieght.

There's a lot of factors involved, I'm obviously only talking about the most obvious one.

>why waste unnecessary extra resources, there's a reason why flashlights exist and that's because you can charge it by thorough out it into the fire and it is durable.
and the ONLY reason the SoB are armed and armoured the way they are is politics and sectarian conflicts.

The reason the SoB are armed how they are is because they are an elite force that fulfils an important role in the setting. There's a hell of a lot less of them than the IG, and they're individually significantly better trained than a guardsman.

There's really no biological reason that women couldn't be marines, there are female assassins that are way more dangerous than almost any marine, and it's not like the marines really lack for resources (generally speaking).

The marines hormonal profile wouldn't even resemble anything close to a human, so the whole point about how women are weaker overall as a result of their current hormone levels is pretty silly, as is the point about how we can't transfer organs between the sexes very reliably today. We also can't create servitors or other extreme technological modifications today.

>>51216055
2nd edition went pretty fast

>>51216081
>We have post humans, with super human reaction time and biology but they are >>>> assassins

Read up on the assassins. They're not all the sort that sits a million miles away and sneakily shoots people or poisons them. Those do exist, but from my understanding, even they are a match for a marine.

You then have shit like the eversors that are ridiculously powerful at just going in and fighting shit, and plenty of other schools that also focus on individual combat, or other similar forms.

Assassins in this setting just means they're sent to kill a particular person or group of people, they're a precision force, it doesn't say anything about their actual methods of doing that.

>that's a perfectly reasonably assumption, given that every human bar post and above are homo sapians

I wasn't talking about evolution as much as technological progress reducing that gap. Look at even with the steroids we have now, a chick on steroids is going to be much, much stronger than the vast majority of guys. I imagine that that far in the future, where you can create shit like astartes and the assassins, or any number of other ridiculously modified humans, that gender kind of matters very little, because a lot of those groups barely even resemble humanity full stop.

Evolution would just be a guessing game, you're right, and I'm avoiding it for that reason.

>>51213281
Genetics. The geneseed was programmed to work with XY chromosomes. XX would cause more errors.

One good reason provided. As ordered.

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>>51215971
I once had an idea for a DH/Deathwatch crossover campaign where in the players were pitted against a radical Xeno-Hybris faction Inquisitor. Said radical had teamed up with a Heretek Magos-Biologis to create a race of "Gene Marines". The GM reproductive mechanism was inspired by the Genestealers. They could infect a normal human with the viral machinery which transmitted the Primarch genome. Some of that person's children would be normal humans, others would be hybrids with a few functioning astartes organs, and of course some would be "pure-strain" Gene Marines. The idea being to create vast armies of Astartes via breeding, but to keep the Astartes dependent on humanity for reproductive purposes.

The plan for the campaign was to make the first versions of the Gene Marines badly flawed monstrosities, which had to be put down. As the players closed in on the Inquisitor and his pet heretek, however, it would become clear they had largely perfected the design. I wanted to force the players into a serious conundrum; choosing to uphold the purity of man and the Emperor's original vision, or embracing a plan which could guarantee humanity's survival and dominance of the galaxy for eons to come.

>>51216087
>There's a hell of a lot less of them than the IG, and they're individually significantly better trained than a guardsman.
literally the same training as the storm troopers if not in same school (if i am not mistaken kommisar/storm trooper school, women go to become sisters)
>There's really no biological reason that women couldn't be marines
Under what grounds do you claim that.
> there are female assassins that are way more dangerous than almost any marine,
this is not a biological reason anything can be dangerous under certain circumstances or reasons. being trained and modified to be a living weapon tends to result in that.
>it's not like the marines really lack for resources (generally speaking).
its not like the master of assassins wouldn't get special treatment if he isn't a high lord of terra he does have the option of killing everyone like golge
anyway I'm assuming those assassins are not brute strength fighters, bar the eversor and they are living bombs.
> so the whole point about how women are weaker overall as a result of their current hormone levels is pretty silly
you do understand the selection programme for the spess and the prep right? strong people are only the MOST likely to survive. Men's strength top percentile is MUCHhigher because androgens.
they only recruit from the highest percentile.
urge they recruit only from men

>>51216162
>Read up on the assassins.
anon i have, do not assume ignorance.
>eversors
i keep saying they are bombs because they are, like archoflagglents. they dying tends to be expected and they are massively augmented.
otherwise my thing holds water they are dangerous in ways outside of direct combat.
>technological progress reducing that gap
then you are retarded, this is post butlerian jihad (shut up it is), technology is hated. and expensive.
AI is hated.
the population often cannot feed themselves.
hormonal drugs to bulk up MUH women make no sense in the setting and it also would likely complicate everything

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>>51216212
That give's an individual way to damn much agency wrt to the fate of humanity to be germane to the themes of the opus.

>>51215971
>Its even a modern day issue in 40k, that Chapters reproduce far too fast.

No it's not. Chapters which want to rebuild their numbers after costly campaigns have to spend years, even decades, relatively inactive.

>>51215747
This is one of the better answers to this question I've seen. Assassins are pretty much universally better than individual marines are, mainly in crunch but often in fluff as well.

You could probably take out a 10 man Tactical squad with a single Callidus easily. Blast them with an AP 2 template, charge in with 6 attacks on an AP 2 sword at double the marine's weapon skill and nearly double initiative, along with a 4+ invuln to dodge any bullets and swings coming her way. That's pretty much garunteed to kill at least 5 marines before they even get to swing back, and she even has 3 wounds to go with it.

There's your female space marines. For 5 points more than a full tactical squad, you get to rape a tactical squad.

>>51216234
everything being the process of geneseed emplacement
mind you these also have to be young women and someone has to agree for it to happen, likely noble patronage and at that point she's more likely to get married to increase one's power.
so we take that hypothetical supped up woman (complete waste of time) so the fella that did it is going to allow the woman that spent so much resources on to be become a spess marine, and no one is known for charity.
after that she has to be stronger then EVERY MAN.
And then survive the process without rejection and the drugs conflicting with the process.
it's so statistically unlikely there is not point

Because having the emperor ignore malcadors advice to make a female primarch is an important way of showing why the project was doomed from the start. He was to invested in it.

>>51216268
"We can save mankind" was the argument of the Inquisitor, but his plan would take centuries, if not millennia to bear fruit. It could, in theory, create vast numbers of Astartes, but it wouldn't arm them. Also, there would be no guaranteeing many of these new Marines didn't turn to Chaos. Ultimately the Gene Marines would just have become a new faction/threat, showing up as groups of Astartes, armed like scouts, trying to infiltrate new new worlds and set up breeding colonies like genestealers.

>>51216162
oh uh sorry anon, I don't think i will be able to respond to any reply before the thread is nuked.
have a nice night

>>51216234
>literally the same training as the storm troopers if not in same school

And the storm troopers are given much better gear as well, they're not representative of the whole guard.

>Under what grounds do you claim that

The grounds that the assassins exist and are much, much more dangerous than the marines individually, and have plenty of women in their ranks? Or maybe the plenty of other examples of insane modifications done on humans including women? What reason would astartes modification not work on women for?

>this is not a biological reason anything can be dangerous under certain circumstances or reasons. being trained and modified to be a living weapon tends to result in that.

You realise marines are trained and modified to be living weapons too, right?

>anyway I'm assuming those assassins are not brute strength fighters, bar the eversor and they are living bombs.

The eversor are just the most over the top. The culexus are similarly skilled fighters, as are callidus, just more specialised.

I guarantee in any situation, a culexus assassin would fucking murder a marine, likely several marines, even just in close quarters combat.

The whole point of assassins is that they can kill pretty much anything with no huge troubles.

>anon i have, do not assume ignorance.

Then you should realise that they are much, much more dangerous than a marine is.

There's cases of them singlehandedly killing the bosses of entire waaaghs. How many marines can do that? Generally when it comes to marine vs a big mek or warboss ork, the orks fucking tear the marine to pieces. Culexus assassins have killed daemon princes on their own.

Their selection process is insanely harsh as well, yet women do still make it into the different schools, regularly.

>then you are retarded, this is post butlerian jihad (shut up it is), technology is hated. and expensive.

Are you seriously arguing this is some setting where everyone hates technology?

>>51214308
>tfw no Dawn Lord Panthera squads
>no Aztec Space Marines
>No successor chapters based on various Native American tribes

>>51216086

Ogryns have to be given special equipment like guns that can only fire in bursts (otherwise they'd fire the whole drum off instantly), and are basically pointed at the enemy and sent to die. They don't make whole regiments of them or anything.

>>51216234
A Callidus Assassin (the temple most commonly populated by females) has Strength 4, Toughness 4, 3 Wounds, and 4 attacks base.

>anyway I'm assuming those assassins are not brute strength fighters

Making this a bad assumption. This lady is as strong and tough as a Space Marine Captain, while also having sharper reflexes and skills with both swords and firearms by a wide margin.

This is on top of having phase swords and being able to dodge bullets, along with expert social and infiltration skills complimented by shapeshifting.

This woman would kick the ass of nearly any marine in a straight fight.

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>>51213281
No female space marine can match the power and beauty of Samus.

>>51213281
I always thought because the Primarchs were made w/ Big E's own genetic material, and the Space Marines are patterned off the Primarchs, and Emps is a dude, ergo the Primarchs are all dudes, ergo the Space Marines are dudes?

>>51216553
And these guys could have specialized equipment too. Maybe a mind wipe somewhere.

>>51216553
>They don't make whole regiments of them or anything.

Au contrare mon frere. they do. Just like there are whole regiments of storm troopers. It's just that they normally detatch them and spread them out, just like storm troopers as it's rare to find something worth dumping that many ogryns on.

>>51216577

Then they'd be Skitarii, not guard.

>>51213589
>Bird
>Magic
>HERESY intensifies

>>51213281
Fishing without a liscence, eh? Well, the jig's up, chowderhead! I'm the game warden, see? Sign here at the bottom of the ticket, ya fuckin' palookah.

>>51213281
Because you seem to want them and I hate you

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>>51216554
Strong and tough as a space marine captain, in the tabletop. To make them viable. Why would a woman, regardless of genetic modification be as strong as an Astartes? The problem with this sort of fluff & crunch is that you aren't going to achieve the same level of physical strength in a woman, or a man with some modifications that aren't as drastic as an Astartes. They're huge. They have excessive amounts of muscle, that is very thick and dense, over incredibly thick and genetically modified bones. You can make muscles more efficient and more dense, but to be on par with a space marine they'd still have to be rather large individuals by the end of the process. They wouldn't be as sleek and skinny as they appear, if they were to actually be as strong as a space marine.

compared to men women fall short in almost everyway though for time I'll just point out how women are flaky as fuck and would mass fall to chaos if having to deal with the slightest troubles

>>51216723
>Muh realism

And yet, when the Inquisition wants someone dead, they send an Assassin, rather than a lone space marine. Even if catching people by surprise, the melee assassins kill targets that would murder marines in droves.

In the end though, it depends what you're after. If you're after a female space marine to have a brick wall of flesh that's identical to a male marine except for different dangly bits, then that isn't supported in the setting. If you want a genetically engineered weapon of destruction that looks like a woman and is better than the average marine in basically every way it matters, then you're in luck.

>>51216699
But these fish don't even have any (you)s warden!

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>>51213281
40k isn't a setting for waifus. It's a setting full of large sweaty men that cleave apart aliens with oversized weapons. Wanting female space marines is nothing more than a waifu fantasy and doesn't fit in the setting. Biologically speaking, women are far less capable than men at combat no matter how hard SJW's or pro-military feminists would argue. They don't have the same muscle strength, bone density, spatial awareness, or hormone driven aggression as males do. Those are all a product of evolution and no amount of feminist shitposting will change that. A woman in a combat situation mentally processes the ordeal very differently than a man does. They just don't have the same aggression or bloodlust, if you will. Google it.

Let's look at a similar setting. In Halo, there are both male and female Spartans. They were regarded as the best of the best, the peak of human perfection. They were kidnapped, brought to a lab, and upgraded as much as humanly possible becoming borderline cyborg in the process. The female Spartans became equals with their male counterparts after seemingly endless hormone and chemical injections that rendered them sterile in addition to halting the production of their sex hormones. They were only even considered because of their genetic compatibility and, without them, the total numbers of candidates for the Spartan-II program would have been far lower. In 40k that just isn't an issue. The human population is countless.

If female space marines were indeed added to the setting, they would most certainly be entirely plot dependent and would serve a highly specialized or, more likely, an experimental purpose. Its entirely up to GW.

>tl;dr
If you wanted a realistic answer, I just gave it to you. Its biologically un-meta. Too much work to make meta.
If you wanted an in-setting answer, you don't need one. It's fiction. Space marines are large dudes that could rip a car in half. It's a power fantasy.

>>51216723
>Why would a woman, regardless of genetic modification be as strong as an Astartes?

Because you are 38 thousand years in the future, and they're subject to bar none the most intense training and heavily modified, just with better shit than a marine gets. They're as strong as a marine with none of the insane mass.

>You can make muscles more efficient and more dense, but to be on par with a space marine they'd still have to be rather large individuals by the end of the process.

You're talking about people that are literally post humans. There's a whole school that can look like almost anything in existence by physically changing their form with no real troubles.

They're better than the marines in every single way by design, because they are treated with the absolute best shit the imperium has to offer.

I imagine that if assassins were the same size as marines they would be closer to strength 7, but that would kind of make it harder to fill the roles they're meant to.

Realism is a silly argument when we're talking a setting where an entire group of assassins just sends psykers insane simply by being in the same general area as them.

Of all the insane shit assassins can do, them being stupidly strong isn't really that special.

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>>51216494
That's why GW left the "Lost Primarchs" lost, so you could make up your own versions/legions, etc.

>Emps visits Themyscira

>>51216272
Not true at all. Chapters are held check due to a variety of things, firstly being casualties. However, despite this, Chapters still have Geneseed Tithes to the Ad Mech which must be sent, limiting their ability to repopulate. Chapters also have to (mostly) keep to the Codex Astarte's strict chapter size, which once again, limits their sizs. If you want to see an example of how fast a Space Marine Chapter can reproduce, take a look at the Astral Claws, and their rapid legion building. Or even any of the CSM warbands, who despite the lack of resources, and chronic back stabbing, keep up, or often surpass Chapters.

>>51216841
Oh, a wise guy, eh? Well, I just so happen to have a piece of equipment made especially for wise guys. If you're thinking to yourself, "that looks like a coffee table leg drilled out and filled with lead," well, you're not wrong.

>>51215985
>total bro-tier
God Emperor I love the Ultramarines.

>>51215985
Do you have a link to this? GIS is Fricking. Useless.

>>51213616
It's a video game character Anon.

>>51213455
well duh, that's why it's called 'power' armor.

>>51216839
Uhh, yeah? They send in a specialist to do a job they're trained for? How many assassins are going to be able to survive in the environments space marines are subjected to? They're super soldiers meant for fighting in the heaviest sense. Of course a fucking specialist is going to be able to do one thing really well.

My point being I don't want female space marines, but don't get hung up on your space feminism so much. I just joined in to point out your comment and say "don't be a complete dickhead" about it.

>>51216884
>better than a Primarch's genes
>better than the Emperor's genes
It's not a Custodian. Keep your inner feminist down for a bit so we can have a reasonable conversation.

>>51216884
>and yet Saint Celestine has a Strength of 3

Boy, GW sure is consistent aren't they? Save for that part where they aren't. You may in fact be retarded.

>>51213281
Women are way too smart.

>>51217053
Considering a more recent example where a single Eversor Assassin managed to fight his way though a Tau weapons factory and all of its automated defenses, being able to dodge all the bullets ever before fighting Farsight and his team to a standstill while still not getting hit by any bullets for a good long while, I'd say pretty well.

A Tactical marine in that situation likely would have been blasted with plasma before Farsight even needed to show up.

I'm not really getting hung up on feminism here. More just pointing out that realism in 40k is a shitty argument.

I enjoy the assassin answer because it ties everything up nicely. Geneseed implants may be male only, but here's an alternative to them that gives you female super-soldiers that are even better than marines. It'd be silly for someone rallying so hard for feminism to complain about that, especiallly if you take into account what that earlier poster said about such gene-modding techniques effectively being the alternative method for turning humans into space marines that wasn't reliant on gene-seed.

I mean, what better to answer the 'Why no female space marines?' question better than, "Actually there are, but they're so much better that the Inquisition uses them all as assassins instead."

>>51217099
Try reading comprehension next time. Celestine is S 3, because in spite of most of those saintly powers she still just is a normal human.

A Callidus Assassin is a genetically modified shapeshifter with the agility to dodge bullets. Being way more buff than her frame suggests is entirely believable there.

>>51214053

Great satire.

>>51214445
>t. someone who has never stabbed anything in their life

>>51215769
HEY! FRIES ARE UP, SIMPKINS!! GET OFF YOUR GODDAMN PHONE AND GET MOVING WITH THE SALT!!!

>>51217206
You know, murderhobos are just a way to describe a vioöent party. Most of us aren't literal homicidial tramps irl.

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>>51213281
0/10, (you) didn't even try.

>>51217252
>t. someone who thinks the only reason someone would insert a sharp object into something else is violence

>>51213281
to be fair i bet chaos has plenty, so fuck off m8

>>51217275
I'd be very surprised if Chaos didn't. At the very least, you'd have female cultists in power armor with enough boons that it doesn't matter.

>>51213281
Jurrassic park design.
Emps knew nature would find a way if he made female space marines, and he wanted space marines easily genocidable within a few generations for after he had finished conquering the entire galaxy and humanity was ready for its psychic evolution.

>>51217287
actually i read "Storm of iron" recently. it has a female human slave, fall to chaos, don a full suit of power armor, and go apeshit as an avatar of khorne. So i know chaos has some badass chicks behind their helmets

>>51217321
:(

>>51217066
Where did I say either of those?

I said assassins are better than marines, because they are. If the marines were better, they'd just send single marines off to kill shit, because they're a hell of a lot cheaper to make.

Obviously the emperor and primarchs are better, but the cheap knockoff versions of primarchs aren't.

>>51217099
Saint celestine wasn't exactly known for her exceptional strength mate, but the rest of her rules more than make up for it.

Assassins are massively modified individuals trained from an extremely young age, constantly to be able to act completely individually in order to kill some of the most dangerous things around.

As I said earlier, assassins have killed daemon princes on their own, or ripped apart warbosses and their retinue on their own. Six eversors wiped out an entire moon full of abhumans, and it was considered a waste of resources to send multiple eversors to do it.

There's plenty of fluff examples of assassins even killing marines on their own, and evidence that assassins are even given access to Inquisition research and tactics on how to most efficiently kill marines, showing they are used to do that.

At one point, 100 eversors wipe out an entire chapter of marines to a man in open combat, in the beheading where they succeeded to kill every single high lord of terra as well.

Vindicare assassins don't have any issue with it, and one even kills a chapter master in the beheading.

Nemesis has plenty of examples of assassins murdering marines, and the whole point of that book is to essentially show how dangerous the marines were. An eversor kills a bunch of marines even without a power weapon.

M'shen, the assassin that killed Curze almost killed a named apothecary in one on one combat while severely injured and starving. She also got to orbit before dying despite an entire legion of marines chasing her.

Assassins are just flat out better at individually killing shit than marines, they're just worse as soldiers.

>>51213281
Because GW wants to appeal to their fat, greasy, and misogynistic fanbase. These are the people that gave us "spray-on armor" as fluff.

>people seriously arguing the custom-tooled mass augmented assassins are weaker than the gene modded moderately cybered shock trooper

The average assassin is exponentially more expensive and deadly than the average space marine, both in fluff and crunch.
Space marines, which can propigate themselves via genetic implants and moderate surgery, occupy that buttery region between the utterly disposable guardsmen and the extraordinarily expensive inquisitorial agent.

>>51217356
actually, a theoretical platoon of assassin soldiers would be SPECTACULAR in comparison to marines.
It's just spectacularly cost ineffective.

>>51213281
Women are universally weaker than men, biologically.

>>51217457
The word you're looking for is generally, not universally.

>>51214222
Tzeench is a trickster, you know.

>>51217099

She's also WS 7, Init 7. She would kick the ever loving shit out of the majority of space marines in a fight even if both of them were naked.

>>51213294
She's been genetically engineered to an extensive degree to be stronger, faster, and better adapted to life on high gravity worlds. She's wearing a suit of xenotech power armor that can generate a conversion field and is equipped with a customizable plasma gun that never overheats and any number of Jokaero tier weapons. She only loses to pyschics.

>>51217445
For sure, if they were trained in order to do that they would be, my point was just that they aren't trained to do that.

An execution force (can't remember the exact term) does shit that a strike force of hundreds of marines would struggle with. But in a protracted war, the marines are outfitted and trained to be more effective than the assassins would be. They're not really taught to be soldiers, they're taught to be one man armies essentially, completely self sufficient, or to work in small groups at most.

Plus, as you said, the costs are ridiculous. There's a reason that sending 6 eversors to that moon I mentioned was considered an insane waste of a valuable resource, because there's really not that many assassins out there. They're stupidly hard to train, outfit and modify.

There's really not any argument to be made that any combat based assassin (there's a school that isn't really intended to kill things themselves full stop) assassin would lose in single combat to a marine, because they're just far beyond marines in every single way. They're individually some of the most dangerous things the imperium has to offer, which is why they only get sent out to kill the most dangerous things up against the imperium.

>>51217510

Yeah, the number of people who could reasonably take on an assassin is very limited. St Celestine would be my main bet for those who could do it. Mostly because 'Visions of the future' + 'Literally raises herself from the dead if killed' makes the job of an assassin hard.

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>>51213616
>you fuck a flying jellyfish-birdwoman
Well, at least she's not a human women. Those are shit.

>>51217536
Realistically, it's a matter of being a named character and being reasonably powerful at that.

I wouldn't be surprised if plot armor could result in an important Marine Captain coming out ahead against an Assassin, though generally they'd be incredibly hard to 1v1. Having a bodyguard team helps a lot as well, even if it's just to delay the assassin slightly by dying so the person has a better chance to strike.

>>51217536
Yep, pretty much short of absolute top tier marines (as in special characters known for insane combat ability) and other legendary characters, assassins are the top of their game. I don't think pretty much anything could survive having a vindicare sent after them if they didn't know if was coming, they're ridiculous.

St Celestine I agree would have very little issue doing it though, but I imagine she'd struggle with a Culexus, if their whole nullifying effect worked on her. Top tier daemons up against anything but Culexus would probably be okay as well too, generally.

As I said earlier, 6 eversors wiped out an entire moons worth of abhumans which were regularly used in elite military functions, and it was considered a waste. What other faction can claim that?

They really are intended as the absolute deadliest shit the empire has to offer that they can create more of.

>>51217596
I honestly can't think of any non-named character that could 1v1 an assassin. Even the other top tier shit like grey knights would struggle against a culexus, because even just being around it would put them in excruciating pain.

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>>51213705
Am catholic and this shit is the bomb. Waiting on the space pope to call a crusade any day now.

>>51216929
Don't even need to use the Lost Primarchs. You just need be creative, and not fall into the trap of assuming every successor Chapter is a clone of its founder.

>>51213281
I know this is skub, I swear. And yet I can't help but give the thread a reply...

>>51213589
That was a typo, anon, and you know it.

>>51213426
I can't tell if you're serious or not. On the off chance you are, it's because the female form is inferior to the male form in terms of durability and strength. When you increase the power by gene-seed augmentation, a female body will still - and always - be inferior to the male equivalent.

>>51216494
There is a chapter based on aztec anon, I believe it was called the rainbow warriors.

Because the Emperor designed the gene-seed to work with males, and it rrquires the presence of a y-chromosome to work? The imperium has neitherer the need nor ability to make a female version of it. The imperium doesn't have a shortage of men to turn into space marines, and does not have the emperor's genetic expertise to use or respurces to waste in the creation of fem!geneseed. Just look at what happened when the AdMech tried to tamper with it. Other than that there is no reason fem!Marines would not be viable.
Kinda unrrlated, but AoS elves have a fifty/fifty m/f split, miniatures-wise.

>>51217134
And yet you wouldn't want to use assassins as infantry. Because that's not what they are made for. You do want to use space marines as infantry. Because they are made for it.

Why all the babbling about assassins in this thread.

>>51218025
Someone brought up assassins as proof that it's silly to claim that women can't be marines because they just can't be modified to be as good as marines, because there's a lot of female assassins, and they're significantly tougher than a marine one on one.

What >>51217994 said is really the only realistic answer from a biological point of view.

>>51213281

Because all spess mehrinees get Big E's genetic material and if that happens with a chick guess what she's pregnant know.

>>51213426
>power armour is what makes space marines
> what are sisters of battle

>>51213583

Nah, it was women in power armor, like Sisters, they were never space marines.

>>51213480
Have you actually visited our country Ameritard?
Come down to Manchester, you'd be knifed within 5 minutes of leaving the plane for spouting shit like that.

>>51213858
But we're not taking a religious dick up the butt like Ameritards do. Is that so hard to understand? Religion is largely dead in Britain, less than 10% of the population still attend church and they're mostly OAPs nearing the grave.

>>51218202
He can probably save himself from a knifing by reciting the Shahada though.

>>51218064
But they can't be modified to be as good as marines for infantry warfare. Assassins aren't made for infantry warfare.

Saying that assassins are better than space marines is like saying that a hammer is better than an iPod. For hammering nails yes, for listening to music no.

>>51215644
They have so many fucking women in the setting that i don't know what you are on about.

>>51218268
>But they can't be modified to be as good as marines for infantry warfare. Assassins aren't made for infantry warfare.

What part of it are marines better at? The only real issue marines have is 'They are way, way too expensive to mass produce'.

>>51216272
Key phrase there: Costly Campaigns

That sort of slow rebuild only happens when like 90% of the Chapter gets destroyed for some reason, and is more due to the fact that in any such situation there will have been lasting damage to the Chapter's infrastructure, rather than the actual speed of new marine creation, i.e.

Loss of geneseed - Any cataclysmic event for a chapter will likely lose not only actual marines, but their geneseed too. Acquiring more requires growing it in the remaining marines, or petitioning Terra for some of their reserves.

Loss of apothecaries/chaplains/librarians - Any devastating loss will also including some or all of these specialised staff, who are vital for the creation of new marines. Proceeding with only limited numbers risks physical, spiritual or psychic abberations going unnoticed in new recruits

Loss of wargear/techmarines - In any cataclyhsmic event it may be that a chapter loses a lot of it's wargear. replacing it requires petitioning the Ad Mech for more, which takes time. Or it may be that they lost a large number of techmarines. These are hard to train and must be sent off to Mars for a long period to be initiated into the mysteries of technology. Again this takes time, and the chapter will be all but useless without them

Loss of recruiting pool - In some circumstances, an event that destroys a large portion of a chapter may also have done the same to its homeworld. Perhaps the whole world is destroyed, or perhaps it suffered chaos taint, or Tyranid infestation. Either way that will slow recruitment down

>>51214114
Pretty much the only completely coherent answer in this thread.

>>51214308
I'm missing something here, who's this?

It makes their unit interactions less gay if some of them are women

>>51218265
Not since the mass uprising of the oppressed white minority after Brexit.
"Takin' back our cuntry, innit."

>>51218268
They can be for infantry battles, and there's an example in this thread of 100 eversors taking on ten times their number of marines and coming out on top.

Assassins aren't trained for long term warfare, and aren't equipped for it is more what it is. I guarantee that a force of 10 vindicares or callidus would fare much, much better in any situation than 10 tactical marines would, their skill level is just so, so much higher than a marines is, and they're all trained to be completely self sufficient anyway.

They're just not trained to fight as large cohesive forces generally, and are way, way too expensive and difficult to create and maintain to be used that way.

I suppose marines have the advantage of being trained to use vehicles over an assassin, but an assassin can take out pretty much any vehicle in fluff with little issues.

>>51218320

That and going by the RPG assassins have Drive(All)

>>51213345
because space marines are totally normal human beings with unaltered DNA.

>>51215665
Even if that were true, that's not how the Imperium works. The Marines have a degree of self-rule. They get their resources via traditional and ancient agreements with forgeworlds. Imperial central authority can't just reassign resources that way; the Imperium is not sufficiently centralised.

The process of making a space marine requires a y chromasome

Ovaries and wombs and shit get in the way of some of the new organs marines get, so they have to be removed. Since marine recruits are only just entering puberty, assuming the process works the resulting 'female' space marine would look just like a man, but with no cock or balls. And probably be susceptible to osteoporosis into the bargain. What a great waifu she would make for all you neckbeards

>>51215972
>guard
>efficient
If you don't count casualty rates maybe.

And your argument remains shit because guard and marines are built for different jobs. IG are boots/treads on the ground holding objectives and sieging cities, SM are the operators operating operatively to turbofuck key parts of the enemy to soften them up for the IG.

>>51213281
all space marines get genetic implants from Primarchs, all Primarchs are clones of big E, they all have XY chromosomes thus it's incompatible with females. If you want to play female space marines take sisters of battle

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>>51213281

The Emperor wanted a breed of supersoldiers, not a new race that would eventually replace mankind.

>>51216273
>For 5 points more than a full tactical squad, you get to rape a tactical squad.
I have not seen this on table but how GW sees this as balanced

>>51218766
I assume it's because assassins are an elite unite, and you only get a single one for that price.

It's countered easily enough by other sorts of attacks, but something like a callidus pretty much excels at situations like the one in question here.

>>51213281
Lore says so since forever.

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>>51218201
It says female chapter of marines.

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>>51218730
That is actually a good point..
The Space Marines do sometimes show their superiority complex to ordinary humans so making them able to breed would probably not end well.

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>>51219881
A race of arrogant tall superhuman bastards making baby superhuman bastards and showing resentment to their weaker masters..

>>51216420
The grounds that the assassins exist and are much, much more dangerous than the marines individually,
explosives can be much more dangerous then marines individually. they are living weapons.
The role and purpose of the assassins are fundamentally different to that of the marine and thus their skills are different and result in different outcomes.
>I guarantee in any situation, a culexus assassin would fucking murder a marine, likely several marines, even just in close quarters combat.
>killing marines in melee
>ap nothing attack
lad you want the callidus even then they are just supped up death cult assassins.
though I'll let you consider this.
If marines are the strongest type of human one can reach in lore.
and for whatever reason they are not supplemented by whatever buffs the assassins then those things are mutually exclusive or too expensive. Regardless they will not affect the general population, of which we are discussing.
also remember
>polymorphine
>Then you should realise that they are much, much more dangerous than a marine is.
look man worship them if you want, fap too them too. they are not soldiers they are tools designed for a specific purpose. One as a terror weapon, spy/assassin, anti psyker and one sniper. each has their specialized use and rolls they have to excel at. and to be useful/worth their points they have to be strong. then the fluff itself i don't understand how they remedy them being as strong as marines at times with all the post RT marine fap.
> How many marines can do that?
quite a number.
>Generally when it comes to marine vs a big mek or warboss ork, the orks fucking tear the marine to pieces
you are seamlessly confusing crunch for fluff and vise versa .
1. >melee race >i2
2. That's fluff, on the table top they aren't quite as able
>big mech killing a leader+ must be a shit leader.
3. Culexus assassins have killed daemon princes on their own.
null "kills" a warp creature with it's super helmet, that does not shock me

>>51213281

Samus is a bounty hunter. Not a space marine.

Also I'm pretty sure Other M is canon.

>>51216420
>Are you seriously arguing this is some setting where everyone hates technology?
Everyone, no.
Most humans, yes.
that isn't something you can really debate, the stagnation and stigmatization of technology is general. Hell some books for far enough to say people think tech priests the only people who maintain the damn stuff are seen as witches and deviants and are tolerated only for expertise.
the golden age of humanity is known as the dark age of technology, and things from it are worrysome and confusing.
It is so prevalent that AI is banned everywhere and that's why we have servitors, why robots have human brains in them.
There is no formalization, in chemists or admech or else STC patterns like the vanquisher would not be lost.


>>51216287
also this is a continuation of that though

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>>51213281
They don't work thematically.

Space Marines are supposed to be reminiscent of crusading knight orders and warrior monks. Historically, there are very few such knightly orders that accepted females, and those few that existed generally didn't see any kind of actual combat. Women just don't fit the theme.

That's not a bad thing. There's plenty room for women elsewhere in 40K. Guardsmen can be female, Eldar can be female, Chaos worshipers can be female, Rogue Traders can be female, Sisters of Battle must be female, Sisters of Silence must be female, Inquisitors can be female, members of the Ecclesiarchy can be female, Imperial Assassins of all types can be female, etc etc etc. There's no need for female Space Marines.

>>51215709
>>>51215644
>>>51215539 (You)
>Being so desperate you start writing to yourself
duhhhh

>>51215976
>As someone posted like a couple posts above you, you realise there there assassins have plenty of females and are individually far greater soldiers than the vast majority of marines, right?

Imperial Assassins are ridiculously rare and hard to make. The enhancements for them require archaeotech materials that aren't in decent supply, and aren't fully understood.

If the Imperium could just churn out assassins it wouldn't even bother with Mehreens.

>>51213281
Because girls are yucky and have cooties.
Educate yourself you inbred.

>>51217120
HA!

>>51219880

Thats from 'Challenge #36', a non first party magazine which came out in 1988. A Chapter Approved article that was released in White Dwarf #98 in February of 1988, detailed the nature of the Space Marine implants, called 'The Origin of the Legiones Astartes', in this it states that the process is only compatible with Male subjects.

Given that your Info was written by someone I've never heard of (Roger Hamlin) and was in a non first party publication, I personally view the Chapter Approved source to be the one of the two to take as canon when there is a conflict. Namely on the existence of female Space Marines.

>>51218280
>>51218320
Economic viability is perhaps the best metric for infantry warfare, so yeah. Also I think that marines would have greater stamina, such as ability to run/fight for a long time and at great speed, the than the members of almost any other imperial force or agency.

Assassins are extremely good at what they are made for, but a waste for most other jobs. The same for space marines.

100 eversors is just a very stupid example. Military service even in the w40k universe is mostly waiting. Can you imagine a full SM company but made of eversors sitting around doing fuck all, or ever worse, interacting with civilians?

>>51220937
eversors have to be housed in cyrostatis

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>>51215971
>their compassion extinguished
I do nok approve

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Guys...

What if we inject an Eversor with Phazon, then let it get infected by X parasites, and THEN throw him in the Warp?

>>51218656
>casualties
>it cost 1000 pennies instead of 2 100 dollar bills

>What is during Great Crusade
>What is sending an assassin

Cus the Emperor didnt want any, duh, not upto us.

>>51213281
They were mass produced. It Was no doubt easier to implant his gendered into males for a number of reasons, a big reason being the reason why males are typically the warriors in history, the average man is less valuable. A woman procreates, carries a child, a man technically doesn't need to play a huge role in that. If you have one woman and a thousand men you can only reproduce one child at a time. If you have a thousand women and one man you can still procreate 1000 children at a time. Assuming the man survives that process of course.

Could there be female space marines? Of course- but there aren't because the emperor needed mass produced super soldiers to conquer the galaxy. Engineering a female space marine would take tremendously more effort and beyond that she wouldn't even really be female anymore once it was done. She'd be unrecognizable and more masculine than anything else as the masculine traits, (muscle mass, hand eye coordination etc.) are more important than the feminine traits when it comes to mass producing super soldiers.

Samuel is a special case in her own universe, but in the Imperium Space marines were mass produced to be terrifyingly effecient and easily replaceable (assuming you have the geneseed and organs). Females do not lend themselves to that.

>>51221448
*Samus

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>>51220524
>genetic diversity memer isn't purebred
Let's take a look at horses. How do you get the best results there? We breed the best genes together.

>>51213326
/Thread

>>51221259
Exactly.

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>>51213413
Ok

>>51221379
>backstory of Doom

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>>51213281
A female astartes would be indistinguishable from a male one.
Astartes aren't human anymore.
They are fridge sized, buff as fuck genemodded super soldiers, whose bodies have been altered to make them as resilient, powerful, and efficient as possible for combat purposes.

For female space marines to retain any of their femininity at all, they would simply be shittier space marines, because feminine traits make for shit combat traits.

So in short, the only way you'd have female space marines, that were equal to the male ones, would be if the female ones were indistinguishable from the male ones, which I very much doubt that wankers like you want.
You want toned, feminine, space bimbos like Samus, not DDR female weight lifters times 100 with not even vestiges of any femininity left.

>>51214114
Number 3 is my preferred answer to this question

>>51214053
A man's role is also that of a father, a teacher, and a guardian, not solely that of a warrior.

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>>51222163
that is why the ultramarines are what every space marine (yes, even the chaos space marines!) aspires to be

>>51222102
>You want toned, feminine, space bimbos like Samus

Luckily, we've already established that those exist in the setting, in the form of Assassins. Even right down to the skintight bodysuits. And they're even better than marines, so there's not even an issue anymore.

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>>51222684
This

>>51216494
Dark Angels used to be native american themed.

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people are speaking about assassins, but what about the admech ? sicarian have space-marines stats, and there is nothing in the fluff that says they couldn't be women.
that said this thread is pointless, if you want female space marines just take sisters of battle

>>51222886
given how few meaty parts they have, I think Sicarian gender is a personal preference

>>51222809
Dark Angels are gay themed.

The Rock, shooting hot loads into other men and their secret shame (closet homos)

>>51222932
yeah, that's the gist with the admech. gender is optionnal
kind of a SJW wet dreams isn't it ?

>>51223008
Isn't SJW wet dream to have Black women with dicks in power their dream. Because we are not a supremacists movement at all!

>>51213281
Girls in power armour already serve a function in 40k. They police the Space Marines as the chamber militant of the Ordo Hereticus. FemAstartes would also be a seen as quiet the asspull this late in 40k's life cycle.

Man, there sure are a lot of faggots in this thread. Next someone is gonna say that a Callidus assassin could have killed Horus.

>>51223142
Sororitas also Man the Cadian gate (or did) and other important defensive points.

>>51213281
You know, they should add them just to ruffle people's feathers.

>>51218385
You're a dumbass.

>>51213281
kys

>>51222684
And they are not space marines.
They are assassins that do their job, assassination, very well, but cannot hope to survive even a fraction of the shit Space Marines go trough regularly.

Space Marines are generalist super soldiers, whereas the Assassins are specialists, geared for a very specific functions, and are wasted outside of them.

>>51223143
I think they actually sent a group of assassins to try. He likely survived because of plot armor, as a Callidus should be pretty capable of slicing a Terminator captain to ribbons.

>>51213281
Because the emperor decreed it 10,000 years ago, and no one dares to go against his commandments. Also because it is the "cruelest regime imaginable".

>>51213281
For the same reason there's been many sparta-esque armies made entirely of men, but not one similar army made entirely of women.

I'll let your brain do the footwork to figure out why.

>>51223384
>And they are not space marines.

Right. They're better. What's the issue?

Space marines are generalists because making Assassins is difficult. Using Assassins for the job of a marine is a waste, because an Assassin's talents are equal to a dozen or more marines.

While you could just replace a company of a marine chapter with 10 Assassins, it'd be a wasteful for how often those Assassins would be standing around idly for some tasks like defending planets. If you could make an Assassin as easily as an Astartes? You can bet they'd be used more liberally.

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>this thread

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>>51223488
you just gave me the idea of running a spartiat-themed sisters of battle army
thanks man

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>>51223420
>a Callidus should be pretty capable of slicing a Terminator captain to ribbons

Are we comparing Horus Lupercal to a Terminator?

Sweet Jesus gr8 b8 m8

>>51223143
>lot of faggots
It's one SJW autist

>>51223552
>Right. They're better.
At a single thing.

Outside of that, they are shit.
Assassins cannot defend planets, they cannot engage in massive scale warfare, they cannot perform the roles Space marines perform for the imperium.
They are a very specialized tools, that is better than the marines are at a specific job, but cannot perform any of the other, myriad roles the marines fill.

>>51223623
I got Horus mixed up with Abaddon. Honest mistake.

My point was more that named characters have plot armor, so of course they won't just randomly die to some no-name assassin.

>>51223627
>At a single thing.

I don't see how 'Shapeshifting blademaster that can dodge bullets' is really a narrow specialty. Space marines have entire company's and squads devoted to 'smack people with a sword', and a single assassin is worth a squad of those guys at minimum.

I'm also pretty sure a half-dozen Vindicares on a single world would just result in Simo Hayha times a thousand, provided they had imperial navy support to ensure the world wasn't just blown up from space. That would give any invading army pause.

They aren't used to defend worlds or in open warfare because they're scarce, not because they're specialized. Are you trying to say that if you could have an army of 1000 assassins of your choice rather than 1000 space marines, but still retain all of the tanks, aircraft, and logistical support a space marine chapter would get, that you wouldn't rather have the assassins?

>>51223751
They are scarce because they take far more resources to create and maintain, plus because the imperium itself doesn't want legions of assassins running around. Their numbers are limited for a reason.

Also, the Assassins lack the sheer survivability and endurance of the marines, as well as their general self sustainability as a fighting force.

Again, they are a specialized tool for specific jobs, whereas Marines are generalists, that can handle many, many jobs with adequate results.

>>51223846
>They are scarce because they take far more resources to create and maintain

And that's my point. If they didn't require as many resources to make, then they'd be used for the things marines are used for instead.

>Assassins lack the sheer survivability and endurance of the marines

Tell that to the Eversor who dodged several hails of gunfire, took multiple plasma shots point blank, got into a swordfight afterwards, got cut in half, and was still alive enough to crawl around with his arms a few moments before exploding.

The main advantages marines have are that it's easy for them to find their own recruits and reinforce themselves, while Assassins are a much more involved process.

You're still missing my point though. You can't just point to marines having tanks and being cheaper as reasons why assassins aren't better. Those are things entirely separate from whatever benefits their genetic changes give.

Again, if you could choose between 1000 space marines or 1000 assassins, which would you rather have?

>>51223384
>And they are not space marines.
why is that a problem?

Like, a real problem. Not a "this fictional organization founded by an insane god being isn't diverse enough" problem. I don't think I've ever heard anyone bitch about the Fish Speakers in the same way. Is it because talking about dune doesn't give easy (you)s?

>>51223967
Marines, because they are far more versatile and better suited for long campaigns, whereas Assassins are specialized tools for specific targets.

>>51223751
Because if an assassin goes into an active warzone, and gets hit by some stray shrapnel or ork bullets only a couple times, they are not available as operatives for a long time, if they're lucky enough not to be killed. Meanwhile space marines, with their armor, are like hyper-mobile, tactical tanks.
Simo Hayha was facing cold, malnourished, and tired conscripts, not reality-bending murderrape daemons or ten foot tall cyborg orks.
>That would give any invading army pause
>implying orks and chaos daemons think
How new are you? Also, one of the assassinorum's most potent weapons is the fact that there are very, very few people that even know they exist. If you send them buttfuck everywhere then everybody is going to develop countermeasures. An assassin, with the possible exception of eversors, will never be as durable or strong as a space marine.

You keep making the mistake of thinking that space marines only fight reasonable, developed, civilized humans, when, without exaggerating, they fight every variety of alien monster in the galaxy and perform well.

Yes, give me space marines. You can count on them to seize strategic objectives just as much as you can count on them to kill the enemies of man.

>>51224021
>>51224031
Alright cool. Anyone interested in a tabletop game? I'll take my 1500 points of 10 assassins. You can take your 150 points of 10 marines.

>>51224116
>using tabletop as evidence of anything.

Also, nobody has argued that the marines are better single combatants than the assassins are. They are generally more resilient though.
Most assassins are glass cannons.

>>51213281
Why bother using physically weaker females when they can just stay behind, be used as breeding stock for future male space marines?

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>>51224116
>tabletop me irl
Could've sworn the goalpost club was two blocks down.

>>51224154
Key word is generally, and Assassin's aren't exactly pushovers in that regard either, especially when they can just dodge bullets.

I can't exactly 'prove' that a mass-produced army of assassins would perform just as well if not better than marines, because it's never really happened in fluff. They've had small squads purge entire worlds and chapters though, so I think they would at least have -some- impact on a larger war.

Unless you're going to give marines major points just because it's slightly less of a waste for them to sit in a trench and man a heavy bolter, I don't see how Assassins aren't better. That many assassins wouldn't need to entrench themselves or conduct open warfare because the enemy would be dead first.

>>51224210
How about you decide what your point is first? Mine is that assassins are better than marines on a 1 for 1 basis, and that only scarcity prevents them from filling the same function.

>>51224227
>especially when they can just dodge bullets.
No, they just predict where they're going to shoot and then move out of the LoF. Also, lasweapons are not entirely uncommon in the imperium.
>They've had small squads purge entire worlds and chapters though, so I think they would at least have -some- impact on a larger war.
Sauce? Some chapters have accomplished greater feats than even that, but I've never heard of this.
>Unless you're going to give marines major points just because it's slightly less of a waste for them to sit in a trench and man a heavy bolter
Marines do not sit in trenches, and nobody's giving them credit for that.
>That many assassins wouldn't need to entrench themselves or conduct open warfare because the enemy would be dead first.
>The enemy wouldn't even be able to fight because they'd all just be dead
Ok.

>>51213281
Because it was a niche hobby in the 80s and the bulky, rough, early models left no room to distinguish? Because it was originally Metal Space Fantasy and all the designers and players were dudes so the lore was established one particular way?

In reality if the Emperor had the ability to forge space marines there is no good reason to make them solely male as they're not even human any more so it's not that much of a stretch to make it apply to either sex, considering the genetic diversity it already has to encompass to be universally applicable to all male humans. The argument that "men are stronger" doesn't really hold up because space marines are filled with gene-tech to the point where sexual dimorphism wouldn't really matter to the end result.

Realistically if 40k was created today, there would be no good reason, but the good reason at this point is "that's what the lore has established, and changing that would change one of the only consistent things in the setting". So to answer your question OP, the reason is that it goes against the tone, theme, and establishment of 30+ years of lore for the sake of pandering that may or may not work in the end.

>>51224331
IIRC ~1000 marines were able to beat 100 assasins, with 1 marine surviving. Albeit the battle happened in circumstances that favored the assassins by a shit ton.

>>51224331
Check upthread for some other examples people gave, but generally I'm getting the indication that an assassin is at least as valuable as a tactical squad in most circumstances.

That has mostly been secondary to my main point anyway, which is more the fact that female assassins exist, which basically fill what most people want out of female space marines (Attractive super-soldiers that kick lots of ass).

Being rare just means they aren't going to die in droves like marines seem to do sometimes, but if someone just wants an amazonian super soldier squad, the option definitely exists.

>>51213281
Because space marines are based on knights templar / knights of the round table / crusading knights etc. and that's their aesthetic.

There was only one of those knights known to be a real life grill, and she was murdered for it.

>>51224295
Not arguing that they're better on a 1 for 1 basis, /as it currently stands/. If assassins become common then countermeasures become common. But assassins are MADE for taking out high-profile, stong targets, not many targets at once. Marines are made for turning the tide of war into the imperium's favor where even the full force of the imperial guard can't. An assassin cannot stall a hive tendril, an assassin can't force a chaos warband into retreat, an assassin can't seize a hive to make way for an imperial invasion. Space marines are essentially that, marines in space. They fulfill any role of vital strategic importance that needs done, where normal humans won't be able to suffice. Space marines can take the firepower that heavily armed armies dish out and keep on fighting, whereas the same firepower unleashed on an company of assassins would invariably cause casualties.
>but they can dodge bullets
Because their targets didn't know they were there. They deploy to kill one VIP or a small group of people. In a one on one fight, of course moustache-twirling planetary governor isn't going to stand a chance against an assassin. It's what they're there for. In a fight against an armored company or a company in general, you're not going to be able to sneak around undetected for long. And then the assassin is dead. And if there is a group of 1000 assassins, they're going to be either very slow on foot, or in a mechanized company, both of which will be very easy to spot. And then the assassins are dead. The greatest weapons of the assassinorum is surprise.
>>51224363
Eversors. They were fighting eversors, in a cramped space, with mist and poison gas. Yes, I know. That doesn't suggest much of their ability to fight an ork waaagh to a standstill.
>>51224437
I thought we were arguing over the actual combat merits of an assassin army. If all you want is an entire army made of big titted babes because that's your fetish, then there's absolutely nothing stopping you.

>>51224719
(cont)
But we were arguing over whether an army of space marine or an army of assassins were more effective. If you want to move the goalpost to only the FEMALE assassins, then using an army of callidus assassins to fight tyranids or orks is a complete waste of their abilities and talents, no matter how you want to spin it.

>>51214523
not to mention that one of her ability's is to escape any and all exploding planets/space stations with one to two minutes spare.

>>51224342
see
>>51218730

Bye.

>>51215625
putting the strength issue aside can we talk about the fact that while she was using the gun as a walking stick she put her head directly over the barrel?

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Posting itt for the first time to say let's kill this cancer.

Didn't thread, won't do it, but I can only imagine how bad it got.

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>>51213281
NO! Give me a good reason why we want them! Coherent narrative demands SIMPLICITY! TELL ME WHY WE NEED THEM? HOW DO THEY ADVANCE THE PLOT?!!!

>>51215625
>women in the military

Yea, because 80% of the fucking males don't drop out of the ruck EVERY FUCKING RUCK. You don't know shit about the military, so please stop trying to talk about it.

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>>51225015
No, the real question here is why can't there be catgirl space marines.

>>51213281
here's three

firstly as a means of controlling reproduction and thereby preventing unforeseen genetic drift, as an annex to which it also prevent or severely curtails uncontrolled expansion of legions beyond the sight of the Imperium, as reproduction still requires test subjects and chest nads to culture new organs for them with, instead of just breeding mutants

secondly as a means of controlling for sex-related differences in biology, meaning your workload is halved as you don't need to specialize in female and male versions of gene-seed to produce those all-important chest nads, which is good science (the selection of males as subjects is likely also good science, as humans don't experience severe sexual dimorphism, but males tend to mass greater muscle as a result of different hormone levels, themselves linked to sexual reproduction roles)

thirdly because the gene-seed of all space marines is derived from their Primarchs and the Primarchs ultimately derive much of their own genetic source from the Emperor, who is male, which makes it the fault of the prehistoric shamans who decided to go boy instead of girl when they mass suicided to reincarnate as him; as with the second reason, this means that it was simpler for the Primarch project to focus exclusively on males rather than try and figure out how to work with the genetics of females

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Give me ONE GOOD REASON why there SHOULD be any female space marines.

>>51213281
Since I am not able to fuck them, there are no female space marines. End

>>51224719
>It's what they're there for. In a fight against an armored company or a company in general, you're not going to be able to sneak around undetected for long.

That's kinda the entire point of a Callidus Assassin. The whole 'Shapeshifting' thing means they can legitimately sneak around for as long as they want.

>>51225604
Yeah, as a human.

>>51225452
Because waifus, stupid.

>>51225713
as an ork, as an eldar, as a genestealer, as a tau, as a whatever

they can look like fucking necrons if they want to

An assassin designed for general purpose combat would be infinitely superior to space marines. Even the girl ones.
However, the imperium wouldn't do that, because they haven't been able to afford doing that since emps was around.
During which time they did exactly that to people who couldn't take geneseed.

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>>51220248
This.
And a species that most certainly is run by females.

>>51220058
>lad you want the callidus even then they are just supped up death cult assassins.

Jesus Christ no. There's examples of Culexus fighting their way through entire chaos legions of marines to get to their target. Any assassin is more than capable of fighting a marine.

>quite a number.

Very, very few. In every piece of fluff, when a non leader marine goes up against a high level ork, they get absolutely massacred.

>null "kills" a warp creature with it's super helmet, that does not shock me

You realise that helmet doesn't just work on warp entities, right? It's just most effective on them. Not to mention the other gear they carry that's absolutely able to kill a marine.

>>51220160
>that isn't something you can really debate, the stagnation and stigmatization of technology is general.

Except for all the high level technology most people use day to day, right?

>>51224031
>implying orks and chaos daemons think

I just want to remind you that a group of culexus literally blocked out the astronomicon just by existing. I doubt a daemon army could even survive in the presence of say 10 or so of them.

I'm curious as to how culexus would impact orks though, would their technology stop working? I seem to remember it being based somewhat off psychic abilities.

>>51224363
As far as I know, it wasn't that one marine survived it, it was that one marine managed to slip past the fighting to get to the leader of the assassins, and then only didn't die because the eversor inside somehow overcame his programming and didn't execute the marine.

So, plot armor in other words.

>>51221388
>1000 pennies
So just a training accident?

>>51213281
You

Just you

Female Marines would be, eh, alright. I wouldn't care.

But you, you would make it the worst thing immediately. You would get on everyone's nerves and make them hate the mere sight of a female marine. Your autism would be so radioactive that normies who came into contact with you at your FLGS would go home to their wives and suddenly just hate them for existing, not knowing why or that the reason is you being a colossal faggot about Female Space Marines.