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I've been waiting all week edition

>Have you ever considered mechanics for culture in your system? Or having things like style of dress, conduct, and other social minutia play a role in defining a character?

Useful Links:
>/tg/ and /gdg/ specific
http://1d4chan.org/
https://imgur.com/a/7D6TT

>Project List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/134UgMoKE9c9RrHL5hqicB5tEfNwbav5kUvzlXFLz1HI/edit?usp=sharing

>(NEW) On Game Design:
http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/1/
http://www.diku.dk/~torbenm/Troll/RPGdice.pdf
http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=21479
http://www.gamesprecipice.com/category/dimensions/
http://angrydm.com/2014/01/gaming-for-fun-part-1-eight-kinds-of-fun/

>dev on /tg/ discord:
https://discordapp.com/channels/147947143741702145/208003649404796929

>Online Play:
https://roll20.net/
https://www.obsidianportal.com/

>Games archive:
http://www.darkshire.net/~jhkim/rpg/freerpgs/fulllist.html
http://www.darkshire.net/~jhkim/rpg/theory/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FXquCh4NZ74xGS_AmWzyItjuvtvDEwIcyqqOy6rvGE0/edit
https://mega.nz/#!xUsyVKJD!xkH3kJT7sT5zX7WGGgDF_7Ds2hw2hHe94jaFU8cHXr0

>Dice Rollers
http://anydice.com/
http://www.anwu.org/games/dice_calc.html?N=2&X=6&c=-7
http://topps.diku.dk/torbenm/troll.msp
http://www.fnordistan.com/smallroller.html

>Tools and Resources:
http://www.gozzys.com/
http://donjon.bin.sh/
http://www.seventhsanctum.com/
http://ebon.pyorre.net/
http://www.henry-davis.com/MAPS/carto.html
http://topps.diku.dk/torbenm/maps.msp
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~amitp/game-programming/polygon-map-generation/demo.html
https://mega.nz/#!ZUMAhQ4A!IETzo0d47KrCf-AdYMrld6H6AOh0KRijx2NHpvv0qNg

>Design and Layout
http://erebaltor.se/rickard/typography/
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4qCWY8UnLrcVVVNWG5qUTUySjg&usp=sharing
http://davesmapper.com
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Finally feeling like the social system I've been dreaming of forever for my project is starting to click.

>Minor primer
The system setting is a meta-narrativistic one, where story logic is an acknowledged property and interacted with basically like magic. The categorization for types of narratives goes; Good, Evil, Grit, Appeal, Reason, Enigma.

>Social Scenes.
So my idea is that when a properly dramatic social scene occurs, all "sides" of the issue become represented by a disk, and all individual participants by a token or "lot". Each disk has a value for good, evil, grit, appeal, reason, and enigma.

Each character has 4 relevant social stats.
Charm, dignity, and severity are your three ability scores, determining the strength of social actions you take. Ego is kinda social HP and also spent to take social actions

Characters can spend Ego to use the social stats to increase or attack the value of a disk's stat (in the case of attacking a disk, people supporting that disk can roll to defend) The more Ego you spend in a social encounter the more "invested" that character is and thus the more they stand to lose psychologically.

Characters can move their lots to whatever disk they want. And when the social scene ends, they gain all that disks value in XP to their own narrative stats. So the disk they started on may have had its good reduced to -5, and the opposing disk had its appeal brought up to 3. Further, they only invested 4 ego into their disk so they don't have too much to lose. They move their lot to the opposing disk, meaning they will take that disks "side" in the resulting outcome of the scene, bribed by some appeal XP and threatened by the loss of some good.

Things like appearance and culture can affect the kinds of action available and their efficacy (a pretty, cutely dressed woman can use her charm to negatively target the grit of a disk occupied by someone who considers themselves masculine, i.e. "damsel in distress ploy")

Thoughts?
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>>51205219
Overall I found this mechanic interresting (specially your "social stamina"), I just fail to see how this "classification system/disk stats" works...
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>>51205727
Basically the social combat is a whole lot of posturing for the "audience", the "audience" being the story logic magic specific to the setting. Because story logic is a recognized thing in-setting, people care about how their actions might be perceived from a narrativistic perspective. If the narrative thinks you are evil, someone the narrative thinks of as noble is probably gonna come around and kick your ass. If the narrative thinks your badass, your probably going to be a become a bit of a badass next time you get in a tense situation. If the narrative thinks your cool, your probably going to be able to pull off stylish stunts with smooth ease to impress the real people around you. etc. . .

So the disk stats represent how the narrative will think of people that take that side. Lets go to the archetypal rpg social combat scenario where the players have to convince a guard to let them through a restricted gate.

The guard uses his dignity and tell the players "My duty is to guard this gate, you don't have permission to pass." This is reasonable, and the Narrative now sees his disk as having, say, 5 Reason. One of the players replies that a murderer has escaped over the wall to the other side of that gate, and they must pursue him, but lack the ability to scale the wall. If he doesn't let them through, the murderer will go free. This arguement also uses dignity, but is an appeal to Good, and the narrative now sees the players disk as having 3 good, it also makes the gaurds position seem immoral, standing by rules in the face of clear evil, so his disk now has 2 evil.

The guard doesn't want evil narrative, and he does want good narrative, so he considers switching to the players side. But maybe he will instead escalate the scene, accuse the player of lying and assert that his duty and faith in the guards on this side of the wall is what he will stand by, spending ego and bumping his good and reason higher. So on so forth.
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>>51205923
This makes things a lot more clearer, and it looks really awesome.

How does you resolve other conflicts on your system?
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>>51206294
Thanks.

Other conflicts like skill tests and combat?

Well the combat is at surface pretty straightforward. Everyone has endurance (HP), action points, weapons and armor and special abilities and so on and try to beat the hp out of the other side till they decide to give up, die, or deescalate the scene into a social scene. The system is roll and keep, with dice size increasing with attribute and pool size increasing with skill, but number of dice kept and added for the result always being 2.

Endurance isn't really HP in a traditional sense, its more like a barrier to not get wounded. When you take damage you check it against your wound threshhold (HP/5, +armor), if its less than your WT you just lose that much Endurance, if its more you take a wound which cripples your character, starts death-spiral effects, and takes a lot to heal. So as you hit people you generally aren't actually hurting them, just wearing them out so you can lower their WT and eventually land the telling blow.

More interesting is the "action sequencing" system I use, as an alternative to initiative. Basically, at the start of combat everyone readies any amount of their Round AP to be used on their next turn. Its always the turn of the person with the highest Round AP, so people trying to accomplish small things tend to move faster. Further, you can instantly spend AP from your Round AP to make defensive actions like dodging or blocking, which slows you down but is normally necessary to save your life. Its hard to significantly hurt someone with plenty of AP left, as they have too many defensive options, so combat is typically a game of trying to build up a comparative AP advantage over your opponent through efficient use of your AP and threats so that you can still have enough AP to strike when they hit 0 and are unable to properly defend themselves. Thus you normally can tell if you are winning are losing before anyone actually connects with a hit.
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>>51206571
Finally, earlier when I said you always only keep 2 dice, I was lying. You can buy more keeps with your narrative points, as appropriate (good to do anything to a character with sufficiently high evil, grit to do most combat things, appeal to do most social things and some stylistic bullshit in combat, reason to try to "countermagic", and enigma to do straight up magic things.)

Obviously, keeping additional dice is an extremely powerful mechanic, and can quickly turn the rather sluggish, lengthy, messy combat into a dramatic beatdown. So controlling who has what narrative resources is an extremely important part of strategy, and is done through social conflict leading up to the fight, and other engineering of the narrative.

Thats about it. I have no clever system for skill tests as of now, its just roll stat+expertise against difficulty.
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>>51206648
Oh, I left out what evil does. Evil basically can give a small bonus to anything, since evil is expected to be threatening to establish a need for the hero. Its nice because it makes evil genuinely seductive from a mechanical standpoint, always an option to give you that slight powerboost you might need to win, and not at the cost of your soul or sanity or anything like that. But one of these days, if it gets a little too high, some hero is probably going to come around and make you eat dirt.
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>tfw three different projects going and I keep switching between them
The good news is they get better every time and I can backport the good developments into the others because they're all based on similar systems.

The bad news is I never get anything done.
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>>51207899
I have the same problem. Though I may have to kill one, due to issues I'm having with wording. Its a hot mess. Its a shame, because I think that its a better concept than the other one that's getting the focus right now.
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>>51207966
Issues with wording? As in you understand the idea clearly yourself, but don't know how to clearl communicate it? Or are you having problems hammering the abstract idea into a concrete form?

>>51207899
For me its going back and forth between trying to write a novel and a game system, both for the same setting. Oftentimes I find a new development in one requiring awkward changes to the other, but the real problem is just a lack of ability to build good momentum on either.
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>>51208224
Well, for example, how the system works mechanically, if I want to do a +1 to dice rolls for attacks, I'd either have to use one of two ways to list it:
>gains a +1 modifier on the dice rolled for its attack roll
or
>gains -1 AS
So its either wordy, or seems assbackwards because negatives are positives gains for you.
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>>51208536
To be honest, neither of those felt clunky to me and both can be seen everywhere in successful, professionally made systems. I think your stressing over nothing, unless the greater context of your system lends the statements a lot more complexity than I'm taking them for.
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>>51208651
The wordy one, its mostly trying to write it out. It takes a few tries sometimes to get the writing down, so it slows down working. For the other one, I just worry about player connotation. Minuses are usually negative, so that's how the average player would look at it. The biggest problem with that would be more about prolonged play, trying to fight that association while you play.
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I had an idea, /tg/. It's really not much more than just an idea at this point.

You know your usual fantasy tavern/inn?

The clichest of the clichest?

The one your advntureres come into, often with enough wealth and magical/martial powers to level a city?
And that absolutely ADORE brawls and whoring there, like it's nobody's business?

How about seeing that shit from the eyes of who manages the inn? The innkeeper, the bard, the cook, the muscle.

Basically, it should be a comical (but not surreal/lolsorandom) little game about more or less "normal" people that have to steer a ship through people with great powers and a little too much love for ale.

I'm thinking about a PBTA 'cause I know them and actually there are surprisingly few of them that aren't serious business.
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Reposting from earlier

Welcome back /gdg/.

Here's my current version of my Ace Combat homebrew:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-x7vMbcJeXps8ZaeTa2ovoXK2yoB7ICqcEmNKP1dlww/edit

So, I technically could make everything roll under which would reduce some math, but that might change gun damage math. Missiles are binary hit or miss depending on Targeting Roll vs Evasion Roll. Guns use the same, but for every 1 you beat the Evasion roll, you deal 10/100 damage. The damage roughly follows the Ace Combat games, where 1-4 missiles or a few bullets will drop a plane.

Future Plans:
- I'm probably going to add in a method to resupply to go along with limited loadouts. You won't carry as many missiles as the games (sometimes 80+), but you also aren't going to carry so few as in real life (maybe 6 total armaments). Something in the 20s sounds about right, and in the event you do need to resupply, you can probably fly out of the combat area (map) and sacrifice maybe a few turns to return fully equipped.
- Money is used for everything. You use it to purchase upgrades, new/replacement planes, and repair costs. I'll need to codify some rules for how all of that will be handled.
- Speaking of Replacement Planes, I'll need to make rules for being shot down too.
- Stat Blocks are always on my mind. I'll need to make some for Planes, Weapons, and Upgrades and price accordingly. Fortunately since I've decided all stats will fall between 1-10, I can easily convert some of the vidya stats over and fine-tune from there.
- Pilot chatter terminology for theming

Any comments welcome. Let me know what you think about the current or future rules, or even what's missing.
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>>51210728
I'll keep an eye on it
<<buddy>>
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How is my core mechanic?

>GM sets a target number from 2 to 6 (1 is an automatic success, 7+ is an automatic failure) by subtracting PC stat from enemy/obstacle
>player rolls 2d6
>dice that meet or exceed the TN are keeps, dice below the TN are drops
>choose one die to be success/failure; if it's a keep, the character's intentions are fulfilled, if it's a drop they didn't get what they want (and the GM uses a major GM move)
>the other die is opportunity/consequence; if it's a keep the player uses a free player move, if it's a drop the GM uses a minor GM move
>advantage: use the highest die for both
>disadvantage: use the lowest die for both

Player moves allow the player to change the fiction in some way - remembering their character has an item, getting rid of some disadvantage or adding some advantageous element. Normally there is a cost, but an opportunity allows you to use it freely.

Minor GM moves revolve around small changes to the fiction like dealing damage, making the PC act more slowly, or showing downsides of equipment/skills. Basically the equal and opposite of player moves.

Major GM moves are the GM's big guns, like special enemy or environment effects, splitting the party or creating hard choices.

Is it fine enough?
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>>51210260
I've had an idea that's tangentially related. The main question that comes up is "Exactly what happens, and what do the players do about it?"

The idea needs a How to go along with the What in order to make it worth considering.
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>>51212858
Sounds like a mechanic for a game that has as many rules as context
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>>51212975
What do you mean? I don't understand. Are you saying there's not enough context about the rest of the game in my post or that you don't like the mechanic?
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>>51213231
I don't know what it does.

I mean, I know what it does mathematically, but beyond that I have no idea what it means.
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Alright, so I have this idea for a game mechanic for combat. Ive been searching for a game that relied on standard playing cards for the combat and such. I havent worked on it in a hot minute because I felt like no one would ever play in my friend group so I temporarily shelved my """""Development""""" of it.

Heres the idea behind it. Everyone has a deck of cards and a max of 3 pieces of "battle equipment" (Think sword, shield, or in the case of the game i want to run, different types of guns as well). Each weapon would be assigned a suit from the deck with one suit left over for incidentals like items or other kind of non weapon skill skills. With this system the players would have a few skills, but the crux of the skill system would lie on the weapons, where each weapon would have a number of skills (I imagined around 5 each) and would level up instead of the player. After the weapons "max out" their level there would be a chance to "respec" the weapon by customizing it with parts from other weapons or special items to make a unique skill and then would start over at level 1 and regain its new skills with a small buff.
Here is where the actual combat comes in. It would either be played with a grid or with warhammer style inches. Im not sure which i like more, so its up in the air.
Now for the actual combat. Each of those skills for the weapons or other equipment would have a requirement to use. So lets say for example a simple rifle would have like 5 skills max, with an automatically unlocked "shoot" action which costs one "point" and a free "reload" action.
Every on their turn plays rummy by themselves. So say I had 4,5,6 spades, I would lay that down and have 3 "points" for whatever weapon was equipped in the spades slot. Once a skill was used, the equal amount of "point cards" would be discarded. A single card could also be played from the hand for whatever its suit weapon was, as to prevent a drought of runs or trips.
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Remember, if you aren't playtesting in two months time, your game is effectively dead
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>>51213636
Okay, so players play Rummy to charge their equipment.

How does the rest fit in?
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What mechanics do you like for determining how a character dies? Do you like rolling fortitude saves? Death saves like in D&D 5e and 4e? Straight negative HP amount like 3.5? Varying negative Hp amounts like GURPS? Something else?
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>>51213809
I've been trying.
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>>51212928

Well. The feeling I'm thinking of is somewhat low-key. There might be a gelatinous cube down in the sewers under the inn, but it's more about the lovable fools that the PCs are. A less surreal and "theatrical" Konosuba, perhaps, might be a good example.

What actually happens in the game? The idea is that the action is fueled by the fact that this characters have personal plans, but they need to work together pretty much eveytime because the inn is pretty much the only way they have to be relatively safe.

Let's say that the "heroes" they like so much have been heroing too much between a beer and the other and there's a metric shitton of gelatinous cubes in the sewers under the inn. Logic would say that it's best that, say, the muscle and magecook* resolve the problem underground, while the bard talks with the adventurers to get who the fuck caused the problem in the first place.
Problem is, the magecook just LOVES the idea of that fine ingredient that we all know slimes are - alive. Ok, maybe not the whole ten cubic meters of it, but just a pinch might be useful. At the same time, the bard reaaaaalllly likes this cleric chick that is the first suspect...

Something like this, if it makes sense. Quite sleepy right now.

*=don't have any idea if the cook should be "magic". Just came out like this.
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>>51213828
No the rummy is how each player uses skills. Equipment is able to be changed before battle, but once in battle think of it almost like building mana in MtG. Its disposable mana to use skills in an encounter.

I guess to keep up the MtG analogy think of each weapon as being a certain kind of land, and the cards would be placed down using the rules of rummy and would be discarded once used instead of tapped. The skills of the weapons would have a "mana" requirement that matched the "color" of the "land," where "mana = point cost" and "land color = card suit." So say you have a run of 3,4,5 spades, it would be like having 3 green mana, and your rifle has a skill that requires three "green mana" or three points in spades.

There was another version in my mind where instead of each player having their own deck, the group would just use one or two decks and get rid of the idea of each suit representing a weapon, but I like my original idea and would like to work around making it work.

There would probably also have to be accuracy checks and things I would like to include like cover mechanics and etc. I dont want to get too specified because Id like to be able to use this system outside of my one setting.

>>51213835
(I have no idea if this was directed at me, but I'll answer anyway)
No one likes character deaths usually, and I guess PvE balance wasnt an issue when I was thinking of this because I kind of planned for the players to be a tad bit op. If it came too it though, I think a saving throw and maybe like a mortal wound system where if a character accrued too many mortal wounds they would be prema dead but with an option to get them removed for a high cost.
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>>51213835
Rolling is better in my opinion, because the feeling of rolling dice for whether your character survives feels more "fair". Doesn't matter what you roll, really, as long as you roll.
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Current WIP, needs some changes. I think I'm going with the stat modification way of writing like in >>51208536 instead of the roll modding. Just easier to write.
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>>51208536
>>51217019
You can help reduce some of the potential dissonance by clever phrasing, so just iterate and it'll be fine.
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>>51217506
Hmm, that is true. I think my biggest fear is more of an initial problem, but that can be overcome. It might just be the same kind of problem as roll-under systems, which actual repeated play breaks that.
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Early morning bump
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Every weekend I add a couple more pages to my game, and I get that much closer to playtesting. I don't know how I'll set up playtests, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
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Is this wording too confusing? I realize it is a very long sentence.

>XP is awarded by the other players at the table. When one player is talking or rolling dice, the other players are the audience - when they feel the urge to laugh, cry or applaud for the ways in which the player in the spotlight roleplayed their character’s background or motives, they may choose to individually award that player one XP apiece.

Seems pretty straightforward to me, but I need some outside opinions.
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>>51220818
I like it. As GM I'd give each player a hard cap on the XP per session they can award. The only problem with this system is that one player can really outshine the others and end up mechanically better than them, so ends up outshining them more etc. and they snowball. Or make it like "You gain 3 XP every session but you can choose to give away one of your XP to another player after (your list of things).
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>>51221493
>The only problem with this system is that one player can really outshine the others and end up mechanically better than them, so ends up outshining them more etc. and they snowball
That would definitely be a concern but XP isn't spent for advancement in this game, and is more like social capital. So it can make a few rolls easier, but it won't give more/better opportunities to roleplay (and thus earn more XP).

I can see why that would be confusing, I'm just trying to think of a better term than XP right now.
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>>51215708
I dont like leaving a character death to be decided on a roll (or a few ones), in my system death is something that needs a proper setup...mechanically speaking, all players have a reasonably large pool of meta currency (it's a bit too easy to die in combat) not only that, but they can get loans with the GM who can in turn use those debts as he see fit (note that even if the player recover some of his currency he can not settle this debt)...Usually players can spend meta and get loans to escape most situations, but that will only make things even worse down on the road, on the other hand, if the players manage to defuse the situation instead of relying on luck they get to be safe for a while longer...

>>51220818
Just write an upper limit to how much times a player may get or give such rewards.
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>>51213835
One of my projects uses a meta currency to create encounters like >>51221773 mentioned, but I haven't really found a death mechanic that I like. Plenty are fine and usable, but nothing that really speaks to me as desirable.
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>>51204994
>https://discordapp.com/channels/147947143741702145/208003649404796929
Link is useless.
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>>51221773
Well, that is built for a different kind of purpose. My game, even is you fuck up your rolls, you still have only a small chance to die outright. Instead, my game has a mechanic called heroic sacrifice, where a character in critical condition (has <12 minutes to live) can re-enter a scene with massive stat bonuses, but this is to the aknowledgement that the character WILL die. Of course, revival is possible (even in nonmagical settings), but extremely hard without magic.

So my system is kind of geared towards putting characters to die heroically, unless in a horrifying twist of events, the character's brains are simply splattered on a wall (crit fail in death roll).

Also, it's more probable that the character is actually "safely" ejected from a scene than that they die. That is if their players aren't really adamant about winning a conflict.
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>>51223063
Don't Discord links expire after a point in time?
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>>51225527
You can set a permanent link up.

That's not a permanent link.

I would show you one but I don't want /tg/ in my discord.
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>>51225567
Oh, okay.
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Thoughts on The Quiet Year?
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Fuck, finally. I keep looking for this thread.

Anyway, I'm trying to do a vaguely Dark Souls inspired system. Mostly I'm focusing on Stamina. Every action in combat costs a certain amount of AP. Your Stamina restores itself every turn. Currently trying to work out how to handle the basic combat so that it stays pretty managable instead of buckets of rolls (which is a system I dislike).

I'm mostly going off of Dark Heresy, but I don't like the "Roll attack" "Roll Defense" "Roll Damage" sort of thing. I'm wondering if this is a quicker, simpler solution:

>Roll Attack d% + Damage die at the same time
>Subtract Defense trait from d%
>If positive, take [d%]+[Strength]+Damage and subtract armour

Where [brackets] represent the "Bonus", or 10s place of the roll.

So I roll 47 on a d% at target number 64 as well as 5 on a 2d4
Then subtract my opponent's 21 from 47 to get 26.
My Strength is 42. So that's 2 (from 26) +4 (from 42) +5
Then subtract my opponent's 4 armour for a total of 6 damage.

Is that too confusing? Should I just stick with what Dark Heresy already uses?

Still trying to figure out if I want to use non-d10s.
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>>51230236
What are you even trying to say here?
"Don't homebrew"?
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>>51230236
thanks /v/
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Anybody got any idea for game mechanics around courts? In the game system I'm writing the players will probably be spending a lot of time in courts, so I'm wanting to make some manner of random table for things that could happen.
I'm struggling to think if it should base it off a skill check or if it should be completely random.
Maybe both? One if you are there for a purpose and one if you're just attending to see what happens?
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>>51231085
Which kind of courts, law or royal?
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>>51231350
Royal, 17th century style. The game's sci-fi though if it matters much.
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I'm thinking about going back to work on my own take on the d20 system. I know that another d20 system is something no one asked for, wants or needs but the core mechanic is tried and true and I figure building something on top a familiar system is good practice for eventually creating my own system entirely.

Anyways, I'm basically Frankensteining together as much as possible from existing OGL games and was wondering if there were any major d20 SRDs I might be missing. So far I know of ones for 3.x, Pathfinder, 5e, d20 Modern and d20Hero (Mutants & Masterminds).
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>>51230552
>>51230948

Should I even ask?
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>>51231720
It was this >>51230236
>Semi-daily-but-not-really reminder that rolling dice is not gameplay and that whatever trashy re-re-rehash you are supposedly working on, it offers nothing.
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>>51231879
>whatever trashy re-re-rehash you are supposedly working on

That's me!
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>>51231580
I keep wanting to try BasicD20
http://www.easydamus.com/CustomCharacters.html
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Card guy back. I kept missing the threads. I've made some changes based on feedback - deleted one of the tabs, replaced the keyword box with a different one, changed the borders from silver to gold, cleaned up the entire design a little bit for clarity. Thoughts?
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>>51233832
I don't know how many numbers you'll need on the tab, but if its only a few digits you could move that tab up much higher. However, if you need to fill that entire space with numbers then its probably fine.
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>>51231580
Look at the E6 system for d20, you might like it. I've used it for my stalker rpg and the game runs real smooth.
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I smooshed Black Crusade into Crytomancer
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>>51227761
I like it. It's great for introducing people to RPGs. Very relaxing. Comfy, even.
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>>51227761
It's like babby's first structured setting design game.

If you're adults, you can do better just talking to each other.
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>>51223063
>>51225527
>>51225567
>>51226413
A permanent discord link:

https://discord.me/itsjustjerry
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>>51233832
I'm not sold on the gold, but that's personal. I find silver is more neutral, other metallics evoke the feeling of rarity levels (bronze, silver, gold borders for common, uncommon, rare).

Also agree with >>51235330 about the upper tab.
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>>51233832

Are you absolutely married to the idea of putting the card name below the image and not on the top?
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>>51225527
They can, but it's not that - someone just copied a link to the channel, which is not how it works (in fact, you have to explicitly fuck up to manage to copy that link).

https://discord.gg/2nujvn9 here's a link to that channel which IS permanent, at least until someone deletes it which will probably happen just to fuck with people. Do be warned that this discord is trash, though, due to being a general-purpose /tg/ one and thus mostly populated by /pol/-style shitposters.

>>51233832
I believe I said this last time you posted, but you should shrink those margins from the card edge to interior. I ran the numbers last time and at 330dpi - making that image the size of a standard poker card, or a MTG card - you've got 5.6mm of space horizontally from card edge to your border in that image, which is pretty excessive.

You could take that down to like 2.5mm or 3mm without worrying about print misalignment hitting the actual content, freeing up over half a centimeter of space for rules text - if you don't need that space, of course, this is a moot point.

I also agree that the gold borders are pretty gaudy - they really grab the eye which would definitely make reading nearby text more difficult.
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I'm either going to do "nothing is instant" or everything is instant(including attacks)" for my mtg clone. Which is it?
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>>51243870
I'd go with everything is instant.
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>>51243870

If I'm assuming correctly that "nothing is instant" means people can only act on their primary turns then you should definitely go with the latter. The first option limits one's tactical options (and would be pretty frustrating as well); the second option increases them.
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>>51244650
The downside though is that it might be a total clusterfuck to play. I was even thinking of having a quality called "speed" for actions where anything of a lower speed can't be used while a higher speed action is on the stack, to maybe make it even more/less of a clusterfuck.
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>>51237845
>babby's first

What's the adult version? I want more of these games.
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>>51237845

It actually has heavily constrained processes. Try reading games before "criticizing" them, maybe?
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>>51245314
You missed the point.

The constraints are training wheels.

Adults can manage without them.
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>>51244771
I wouldn't mess with the stack too much. Keep in mind that things like instant and sorcery in MtG just dictates when they can be played. They all interact with the stack the same way.

If anything, a speed system may work in combat if you use it like an incremental version of First Strike.
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Anyone know a good resource for detailed, relatively accurate information on real-life human abilities- how much one can lift, how fast one can move, etc. Both human averages and limits.
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>>51245367

This is why you RP without books and rules, right?

Oh, wait, no, you don't.

Why do you enjoy being stupid, anon?
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>>51229346
These threads pop up every saturday, just so you know.
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>>51227761
About what >>51236439 said. It seems pretty fun, both as an introductory game and as a game to run on a game night when the GM can't make it / no one has prepared anything.

I think including rules for an "endless" mode that can be played through multiple sessions would be neat, but if that's not part of the design idea, it's not.

All in all, it's a cute little alternative game
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>>51236425
>making homebrews based off systems nobody's heard of, let alone read or played

And I wonder why nobody ever talks about them when I post.

>nobody wants to read a pdf you cold calling idiot
Discussion time then.

The thing that excited me most about Cryptomancer was the Strategic-level base building rules. Almost all RPGs just leave that stuff to GM fiat or whatever ad hoc system the GM comes up with.

Crypto has pretty definite rules for it's downward spiral; do missions, get Assets, try to avoid Risk. Risk never goes away, Risk will kill you in the end. And then leaves all the particulars to emerge during play. It's a great abstraction to pace a campaign.

You guys ever do Strategic level rules in your games?
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>>51235330
>>51243354
>>51240036
>things seeming out of whack
I should have added to the post (both times) the card is based on a template which includes a bleed/cut area. The reason the tab at the top looks too long, and the margins on all sides too wide, is because about 1/8th of an inch will be cut off every edge at the printers. See attached image: everything between the dotted cyan line and the solid red line is border, everything beyond the red line is cut. So you'll just have to bear with me on the margins - or from now on, I'll trim before posting.

But message received: no gold. I'll put a new one together with silver.

>>51241974
>card name below image
Recommendation? Above?
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>>51252356
Ah, good then - 330dpi did seem a bit odd, 300dpi with bleeds makes much more sense. Shows what you can do to yourself with partial knowledge of a topic, I guess.
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>>51229346
This seems like way too many steps to accomplish nothing that different
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>>51252333
>do missions, get Assets, try to avoid Risk. Risk never goes away, Risk will kill you in the end.
Oh I like this actually. Reminds of that thing in Edge of The Empire. Debt or something? I feel like this would be good in a darker themed caper game or such.
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>>51252356
>Recommendation? Above?

Yeah, just put it on top.
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Is it just me, or are keywords on cards with numbers ugly? Because I was planning on having quite a few but am having second thoughts because of that.
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>>51262092
Actually, I should have worded that as "keywords with numbers".
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>>51262092
>>51262290

Are you referring to stuff like MtG's 'Annihilate #'?
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>>51245174
Meikyu Kingdom seems to fit the bill.
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I've formulated a suffering-free variant of the magic system for my magical girl game. Original magic system was mostly a tweaked rip off of Magical Burst (as the entire system fundamentally is) but I added an "alternate" playstyle that I suspect will be popular. However, does anyone see any obvious problems with it? The overall system starts on page 7 but the new substystem starts on page 9.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TmWonJIbPfqCWwOUKN7H2RrjBSkevnyq_eoGiGIWfy8

Also, I'm not sure if there's a better way to refer to it in other text to make it agnostic with regards to which rules are used.
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>>51262838
Yes.
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>>51263503

I don't think its an issue. As long as the concept is simple enough to work as a keyword I don't see a problem with adding a numerical component to it.
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I put a bunch of thought into something I'll never do anything with.
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>>51265378
Welcome to /gdg/, you'll fit right in!
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>>51252356
Ok, that makes sense.
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What's a good name for stats in a game where the player characters are all robots? Right now I call them approaches, because they govern how well the characters are at approaching problems in general ways (brute force, stealth, charm and intellect).
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I have run into a bit of a naming issue. My name for the equivalent of instant/sorcery is "spell", which wasn't a problem before, but now I've decided that all actions will be instant speed, which means I need a stack and a term to refer to cards on the stack. I was going to call spells actions, then call cards on the stack spells, but I also have a mechanic that is specific to spells/actions called "spellboost" and "actionboost" doesn't sound right at all.
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>>51266770
> My name for the equivalent of instant/sorcery is "spell"
Cantrip? Or you could go full abstract and just call them by their mechanic - "Instant" or "Event."
>I also have a mechanic that is specific to spells/actions called "spellboost" and "actionboost" doesn't sound right at all.
If you are comfortable with abstraction, your other cards could just be called "Boost" and bear a keyword tying them to thing they're boosting: "Boost - Spell" and "Boost - Action."
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Silver boxes/tabs, name moved to top. The 1/8th borders are still in place. I've made the boxes less pointy, as the silver points weren't contrasting well with the images.
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>>51266869
A contrast of the silver vs the gold with (stolen, not final) card graphics and descriptive text in place. Thoughts?
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>>51266667
Actuators, LO Tech (Low Observability), HCI (Human-Computer Interaction), CPU

>>51266888
For the palette of that particular artwork the silver looks much nicer.
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>>51266914
>Actuators, LO Tech (Low Observability), HCI (Human-Computer Interaction), CPU
Those are damn good ideas, but I should have been more clear: what is a better name than "approaches"?

For example, powers/abilities/moves are called "subroutines".
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>>51266955
Features?

Stats are stats dude. Don't let flavour overshadow readability and ease-of-learning.

It's the "our elves are different" of RPG design to give wacky names to common aspects that everyone already knows.
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>>51266838
Boost # is a keyword ability that permanents have that reduces the cost of spells/actions/whatever and some spells/actions have additional effects if you have a certain amount of boost. I guess I could call it just "boost" but that feels kind of bland.

I also feel I should mention that there are no "enters the battlefield" abilities. Instead, you have Action Minions and Action Conduits that have a split text box where one half is the action effect and the other half is the permanent's abilities. "Spell" worked better than "action" here too.
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>>51266888
The left looks much better. The pic is centered better with the title at the top, pushing the picture down; and the colors don't contrast as hard as the black and gold, so it doesn't draw away from the rest of the card.
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>>51266955

Specs.
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>>51266888
Also gotta say the silver is better, both in palette and format
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I've been trying to figure out how to handle strength (and feats of) in an rpg system for longer than I can remember now so I think I'll open it up to /gdg/.

I'm looking to handle basic attributes similar to D&D and a number of other systems where they range from 1 to 20 with 10 being an average. I feel like this is a good range for most basic human abilities but I'm stuck on Strength because I want numbers in the system to scale linearly and obviously human strength can go much higher than just twice the human average (as of current world records it can be six to seven times as high).

I'm debating two options:

1) Make Strength an exception and give it the option to go several times higher than other attributes. The pros of this option are that it is straightforward and keeps everything strength related together in one number. The cons are that it makes Strength difficult to compare to the other attributes and will probably over complicate the processes of both initial attribute generation and any mechanic to increase attributes later in the game.

2) Give Strength the same range as other attributes and just have it represent basic untrained ability while further variations from active training are covered instead by a skill ("Muscle' or 'Body Development' or something. The pros of this option are that it keeps attributes in the same range and works just fine with the existing attribute+skill system. The cons are that it makes Strength effectively a static attribute (why would it ever change if the result of changes are already represented by the skill?) which brings up the question of why even have the attribute to begin with- which in turns opens up a new can of worms.
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>>51269346
Just allow numbers over 20 in extreme situations.

Or, roll human average down to five or something, to make more room at the top for giants, demigod, and legendary heroes.
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>>51267240
I agree, it is rather bland just to use mechanical names like 'boost', but if your players will just end up calling them 'boosts' anyway then there's no point in giving them a fancy name. Clarity is king.
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>>51266914
>>51267252
>>51267968
Thanks for the feedback. You guys rock.
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Question:
How do I /gdg/ after eye surgery?
I have nothing better to do with my recovery time, except the whole seeing part.
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>>51269550
>your players
Good joke.
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>>51269346
Have you considered scaling it by different increments than 10%?
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>>51269381
>Just allow numbers over 20 in extreme situations.

That would effectively be the first option, yes.

>Or, roll human average down to five or something, to make more room at the top for giants, demigod, and legendary heroes.

The exact numbers aren't the issue - they can always go higher - but rather the range available for humans.

>>51269569

No problem; maybe you'll be the one fa/tg/uy in a hundred who gets shit done.
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>>51269625

Similar to what I said here >>51269669, the increments aren't really an issue.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're suggesting.
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>>51269346
>>51269686
>3) just let the GM handle it however they think is easiest in the rare cases you need to deal with (by definition) rare examples of strength

Trying to handle every conceivable situation in rules just results in bloat. Instead give flexible, tweakable core systems with sidebars of authorial intent so the GM know how you intended them to handle stuff that isn't stipulated.

Less rules, more game.
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>>51269346
You'll need to sacrifice one of your wants.
You can forgo linearity to keep average at 10 and max at 20. You could also move Human average to 3, and each number is 33% of human average (that gives you 666% of average at 20 Str)

Or like you've already mentioned, lose the 20 max range.
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>>51266888
The gold clashes with the palette, it's true, but I think the contrast is too high on the specific silver graphic you've got.
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>>51269593
Voice to text, dictate your shit nigga
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>>51204994
Is there a formula for average AC in relation to the average player strenght/attack values?
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>>51271096
Well, games like DnD err on the side of 50-50 and tweak from there. That's why AC starts at 10 . There's a 50% chance to hit with no attack or AC modifiers.
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Helloo, it's me again. The game is coming along extremely smoothly, but I just realized small additions I can make to make it more marketable. While thinking about writing a primer (you know, the bog-standard "What is an RPG"), I came up a really streamlined way to GM:

Inverse rolling.

By that I mean, instead of rolling and making up NPC stats, the players' stats are used instead and improvised with.

So, when rolling perception, for example, I just roll whether that character (or characters, I would make a "group sheet" that had the lowest weaknesses of all characters combined) succumbs to dullness and not notice the NPC. All the advantages the opponent would have are turned into disadvantages to this.

Because the game is not dictated by the stats in any way (they are simply the binary yes-no for any roll), I would never even need to make specific stats for opponents! Just think of some advantages and disadvantages they have.

What bliss!

What do you think? I think it also fits the tone of the game rather well (that being more about the player characters than about any scenario the GM makes up).
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>>51271298
Oh yeah, and other good news is that in a week or two, I'll get the first drafts of art to the game from Pilgrim. So the game is sincerely nearing true completion.
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>>51271298
So, if you have a roll-under system to PCs to succeed, you switch to roll-over to see if PCs fail when it comes to dealing with an NPC? I'm on meds so I'm not sure if I'm understanding everything.
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>>51271362
You got the idea, but it's actually reverse.

You see, in my game, stats are WEAKNESSES, meaning things like clumsy, dull, naive etc. Thus, the player characters must roll OVER their weakness to overcome the weakness and succeed.

In a weird way, it's a very straightforward system, because rolling under your stat doesn't really mean anything (in a metacontext), where as rolling over a character's weakness can be absolutely seen as a character's tendency to overcome a certain weakness the character has (i.e Rolling over your character's clumsiness means you manage to balance on the railing without falling).

But yes, your understanding of the inverse rolling is correct. The NPC:s need not have stats by themselves, rather they just modify basically a roll against the character's weaknesses. If they roll same or under the character's weakness, they beat the character (such as sneaking past them without being noticed).

Like, say, there's an NPC who is a burglar by trade. The base assumption is that they don't make big mistakes when doing stuff, so it's more a roll of how acute the players are at noticing the burglar.

If push comes to shove, however, a conflict roll of the opponent hiding and the player finding them can also be made.

In conflicts, opponents' numeric stats are pretty much meaningless, and the one rule that would imply them can easily be removed.
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>>51271572
I think I've finally figured it out.

I was that anon trying to make the grimdarkest of post-apoc games where people choose their powerlevel from the beginning, but go deep into xp debt in exchange (the GM uses that xp debt to create encounters). One thing that was tripping me up was how to deal with players helping other players. I wanted to tell the players they were penalized, but have the assistance actually better their chances of success. I also wanted the math to be "big numbers = good, rollover".
Ultimately, that just doesn't work. However, if I swap things to how Misfortune works (big numbers = bad, rollover) I can get that feeling across. In addition, I can easily factor in assisting actions by increasing the TN by just a bit less than statistical half. For example, if each player rolls 1d6 for tests, I could have 2 people roll 2d6 total and increase the TN by 3. Likewise, 3 people would be 3d6 = TN+6.

I also thought about converting everything to rollunder, but that, as I quickly found out, doesn't scale at all. I normally don't like outright lifting straight from other people's projects especially when they can see me do it, but this really is the math I need.
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>>51271308
Oh, nice.
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>>51271973
Sure, go ahead, I don't mind. Your game is yours, and in the end, all games are a sum of influences taken from multiple places.

Hell, I'm more honored about the fact that my game helped you figure out a solution that works for you.

>>51271983
Yeah, the work will be incremental, in the sense that he first draws the sketches for all pictures, then lineart for all, and then finalize them all. This way I can use the work-in-progress images to finalize the layout and by the time the pictures are finished, and the cover art is done, the game is finished.
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>>51272451
I just mainly dislike the feeling that by using a large amount of someone else's work it can feel like someone immediately making a cheap replica knockoff. And I know you can use whatever ideas you can find and no one can stop you, but I don't like that "territory encroachment" feeling it can bring.

But, sometimes you have to move closer before you can start moving away.
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Discussion bump:

What's your crowning mechanic? Whether its a mechanic that you're the most proud of in your current system, or a mechanic that's worth making an entire game with, lets hear it.
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>>51273529
I need to get to a state where I can playtest the system before making any assertion about calling it a 'crowning mechanic', but the central mechanic of what I'm working on is:

Roll (Attribute + Skill + Corruption)d8, choose a set of dice. Quality of the action is equal to its width. Each die used this way from the Corruption stat slowly increments the Corruption stat further.

I'm still trying to find a way to express it succinctly, but it's kind of ORE-esque (and at the same time not at all). The intent behind it is to have a downward-spiral lite deal where the player must sometimes accept a worse result, or failure, if they don't want to accelerate the process. I like it in theory, but I'm undecided with what type of dice to use to get a right feel for 'amount of dice rolled' compared to 'average outcome'.
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