Pathfinder General /pfg/ Culturally-Inspired Classes Editio

TAKING APPS FOR HELL'S VENGEANCE

Ignore the giantslayer in the link.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer

Games on Tuesdays, Gestalt, 25pb, most 3pp allowed.

Join in!

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>>51195047
That loli's tits are sagging too low.

Who is the most eligiable bachelor in Dragons? RotJR?

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>>51195075
There's a spunky merfolk grappler, and a phat-butted tiefling rogue waiting for some more of you to submit your apps!

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>>51195110
>yfw when the trap slot in Fluffy2.0 is still only one

Does nobody else want to make a trap or what?

>>51195110
Casimir.

>>51195134

I want to submit something into her!

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>>51195047
Bored-posting art.

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>>51195134
Just submitted my own.

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>>51195047
>Have you ever rolled a character whose class is based off you or another foreign culture's class?

I'd honestly like help compiling a list actually.
Cavalier Hussars, Alchemist Plague Doctors, Barbarian Gladiators, Monk Taoists, etc.

What's a good foreign concept of a Wizard? Most people are familiar with the western hat and robed scholar.

>>51195138
I would but I already submitted a character

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>>51195198

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>>51195237
Some kind of eastern mystic.

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>>51195323

>>51195047
I played a Spirit Warder Shaman in an undead heavy game. It felt pretty good, especially when I worked with the DM to get some of my culture thrown into the campaign with a few adjustments to the rules.

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Hey, /pfg/! What plans do you have in the event that you get rejected from RotJR, Dragon, or Floofy?

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>>51195506
I'll take my lewd dragon elsewhere!

>>51195506
considering i applied to all three of those

probably kill myself

>>51195075
>probably shooting to start mid-afternoon in EST time

nah

>>51195506
I'll retool my Fluffy character for an eventual evil campaign. Preferably Way of the Wicked.

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Here's me flailing around again: If anybody here uses Hero Lab and likes the Medic class, I would appreciate any scripting help you could offer with an almost-complete version of the class and archetypes.

https://github.com/shadowchemosh/HL-Pack-Pathfinder/pull/84

I'm currently working on Avowed, but it will take forever since there are 150+ separate entries in the system to work through and that's before even adding pact abilities.

>>51195506

I know I'm going to get into at least one of them! At least one!

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>>51195527

Don't let the huge tits and shameless personalities fool you, witches are horrible partners both on and off the battlefield!

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>>51195506

I'll celebrate my relief like this.

https://my.mixtape.moe/hpdcmg.webm

>>51195138
Hey, at least the trap that applied did it without knowing it guaranteed them a slot, and they made a decent character to boot.

>>51195506
Not ONE of the campaigns is in a reasonable time sched for me.

Being in the south pacific sucks sometimes.

>>51195506
As the trap, the chances of me not making it into Fluffy are quite slim, so I'm not making plans for that eventuality. The rope is staying in the basement for now.

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>>51195711

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In case this ends up sticking as the true general, I'd like to ask here, too:

What do you guys figure would be a good way to lewd up a typical wanna-be evil overlord type?

I feel it'd be a good way to humanize him and give him a bit of levity to balance out his attempts at being an edgy manipulative sort, but as of right now all I've come up with is mind control shenanigans, and that's a little rapey-er than I'd like.

>>51195727

Stop posting that, you're scaring me!

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>>51195794

I've always been a fan of this picture for witches, personally.

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>>51195794
>>51195826

>>51195802
Give him an ab fetish.

If you don't like physically imposing women, then go for the legs/feet, and don't make it some sort of creepy caricature where he foams at the mouth the moment he sees a bit of thigh.

>>51195858
Oh, abs fetish happens to be quite nice--could work quite nicely if he's a more wizardly type who sees himself as recruiting some kind of knightly bodyguard. Or if he's a warrior who respects power first and foremost.

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Do you think there's going to be a lot of salt over who ends up getting chosen for the various games reaching that point in the next few days?

>>51196066
I hope not. But there will be.

>>51196066
There wasn't a ton of salt over the comfy knight pics, so I'm hoping the same happens here.

>>51196066
There was never doubt.
This is but inevitability rearing a face that people have dreaded for months.

>>51195903
I'm glad I could be of assistance. The abs are so woefully underappreciated when they have plenty of potential.

>>51196066
Of course the salt will flow Anon, but thankfully the people who are socially maladjusted enough to get mad at other people for getting accepted won't actively make the game worse for the GM and his players, like they probably would have if they were accepted.

If anything I'm much more worried about the people who will mope about after not getting accepted. I feel sorry for them, but they need to realize there are only so many slots.

My friend will be running a parhfinder game for us in the coming weeks
I want to make an Obitu sorcerer. Are there any feats i can take to get around their -2 charisma?

>>51196123
How many spin off RotJRs do you think there will be?

I've been considering playing a witch in an upcoming pathfinder game. From what I've gathered they are obviously not at all meant to get into range but considering muskets and pistols are going to be in I'm thinking of giving her a rifle to lug around along with a small cauldron she wears on her back (thinking of making her a Hedge Witch) along with her witch hat being a modified Ten Gallon hat so her flying squirrel can live in it because when she flys around she's using her rifle to do so.

>>51196183
>not giving her a large cauldron she flies around in

>>51196212

There was that thought and I'm not opposed to it but the idea of flying around on a musket has it's appeal you know?

>>51196167
I'm hoping for a few so that I can get into one, but I'm not GM material so I can't provide any reassurance in that regard.

>>51195237
Usually foreign culture wizards are Sha'ir (arabian, rooted in mistical types who would commune with spirits/djinn and were also poets, really more likely to be Shaman archetypes with some Bard thrown in) and Wu Jen (fake chinese nonsense possibly based on 'Wu Ren' that translates to warlock or shaman, vaguely based on generally asian myticism)
... You could probably find a better idea.

>>51196183
Sounds fun anon! Hope you have a good time with the character.

>>51195075

Nah. Text based. No need to try to RP with bitches that can't RP.

>>51196271
Sha'irs are actually interesting.
They're basically warlocks who gets spells from communing with Djinns.

Sadly 3e's was shit and PF's archetype is bland for a fucking occultist.

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>>51196066

Everyone has gotten over Rise of the Jade Regent, anon! I'm sure when the DM decides his players there will be absolutely nothing but smiles in the thread.

>>51196227
>not flying around on a cannon

>>51196416
Your optimism is beautiful anon

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>>51196416
Keep telling yourself that.

>>51195237
Kabbalist.

>>51196376
Of course it's an Occultist. I'm pretty sure they forgot they made a Shaman class.

>>51196123
Not been seeing many people mope about not getting into Molthune.

>>51195665
Whoops, thought I posted >>51196446 in this thread.

>That's super awesome, but I might recommend waiting a month or so on that. We're aiming to release Avowed 1, if we're happy with the results of a final (hopefully) update being pushed later tonight/this morning, towards the end of January/early February.

>It'd suck to get it all written into Hero Lab and then have it updated—also, if you shoot me an email (it's listed on my patreon), I can get you the raw text once we /do/ release, to make your life easier.

>>51196558
Windows 7. Dunno what it was.

>>51196523
Planned yes, currently not yet, also barrage will be getting a final set of adjustments anyway.

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>>51196345
>it's the 'text based games aren't RP' meme

>>51196622

People who insist on text are typically groan zones to roleplay with.

Like dude, I want to talk to you, with voice and intonation and everything. Emotion is hard to convey in text, and conversations are like, 75% about conveying emotion.

What would a merfolk and goblin baby look like? Just wondering ha ha.

>>51196706

Some sort of abomination, probably.

Assuming a goblin can even fuck a merfolk, because I really doubt they can.

>>51196673
Like, dude, I don't want to talk to you. You're a whiny mouthbreather and the only emotion you can reliably convey is boredom.

You're a decent writer though.

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>>51196746
>You're a whiny mouthbreather and the only emotion you can reliably convey is boredom.

I'm a little bit upset at that.

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>>51196673
That's fair. Voice and text games are different sorts of RP. Personally, I don't enjoy RP-heavy voice/irl games. That sort of game tends to be most fun for me when it's more about the hanging-out-with-friends than focusing on characters and characterization.

On the other hand, many (not all) text RP games I've been in have tended to be... Less about that, more about the game. Loses some parts of intonation and emotion, but with skilled or enthusiastic players, that's not a big deal, and it's still very fun.

In a good group, you can read the emotions of a character out of words just based on context and flow of the scene. That's my ideal for text RP. Personally though I don't do pickup groups much, so I feel similarly about joining a blind roll20 game.

Some people are better at one or the other, or prefer one or the other. It is what it is, you know? Neither is superior, you just have a preference, just like me or them or anyone.

>>51196673
You know what else is a major part of conversation? Nonverbal queues like facial expressions and posture. Do you want to go all the way for the FULL EXPERIENCE or are you going to pussy out because you're uncomfortable?

>>51196600
Oh dang, that'd be cool. Thanks!

The key thing is right now I can do most of the grunt work. Even if the text of the abilities change later, that's not *nearly* as much as stuff like...

Well, to give you an example, at the moment I'm doing a bunch of mucking around dissecting bits of the core data files to figure out how to make pact selection, the least/lesser/greater/final clauses, and shapes all show up logically in the UI *and* export to stat sheets properly. There's a ton of hugely annoying caveats about variable interactions and rendering phases and two separate scripting languages crammed into the same data format and other stuff like that.

Compared to "what dumb workaround fuckery do I have to do to make this stuff actually output on the statblock like I want?", setting a bunch of ability text and changing ranges and stuff is easy.

>>51196777
I'm sorry, I can't quite figure out what you're trying to convey since you only posted it as text.

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>>51196797
>I dislike when people have different comfort levels than me.

>>51196777
It's okay anon, I'm sure you can breathe through your nose just fine.

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>>51196820

Delete this

Can we just stop having this fucking argument every other thread and get back to shitposting about Onryou?

>>51196782

What if I'm a dumbie that can't write good with clever wordages cuz my vocabularium is lacking?

>>51196848
Onryou is a pure cinnamon loaf.

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>>51196824
>exaggerate for sake of comedy to point out how silly this is
>this shit happens

guess I should have been more obvious

>>51196848
>and get back to shitposting about Onryou?

Why, we haven't shitposted about Onryou for an age!

>>51196870

No, Onryou is a cinnamon bun; warm, soft and dripping with thick glaze.

>>51196837
You have to record yourself explaining your position, otherwise we're not really having a conversation!

>>51196811
Eeek. Well, shoot me an email and I can toss you the text once I have the final stuff towards the end of the month.

>>51196890
Onryou's a big girl! She's not some little bun, she's a full hearty loaf!

>>51196929
Onryou's a big slut.

>>51196929

B-But, a loaf needs a lot of glaze! Where are we going to find that much of the sweet, sticky stuff?

>>51196916
>mfw the engine ignores the 'statblock line' setting for everything added under the class special category
>mfw even the goddamn software authors worked around this by adding Vigilante abilities under the racial special category instead of fixing it
>mfw when I have no face because my face exploded

But, yeah, I'll shoot you an email!

>>51196946
Not this far from Minkai she's not!

>>51196929
I think that Onryou is a pure carrot cake but the closer she gets to Minkai, the more she's going to want that cream cheese frosting

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>>51196848
I wonder who could be behind this post

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>>51196972

The things I'm going to suggest when the party gets close to Minkai are going to be downright disgusting.

She's a big girl, and she's got some *real deep* itches that need to be thoroughly scratched.

Why does everyone in here want to make furries and traps. Pretty degenerate desu.

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View counts on RotJR applications means nothing, r-right? The ones that have 125+ views are just because they have a reply right?

>>51197030
Well there was that one anon a few days ago who wanted to do the not!Russian Mulan-style reverse trap.

>>51197030
I want to make whatever's fun, anon. A lot of things are fun to me. Including furries and traps.

>>51197037
They're the ones with sexy character art. I know this because I have viewed Valeriya's app on many a lonely night.

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>>51195527
Look at her. She can't even stand up straight because of those huge things.

>>51197030

That's the thing, I always make strength-focused men or scruffy archers!

>>51197037
Oh you're precious, view count just means someone opened your page to see what's inside~

>>51197049
I really wish that anon made the Irriseni reverse-trap girl! She seemed like a woman that would be incredibly useful for much of the campaign, and had huge cute potential for many of the male applicants!

>>51197030
I'm thinking of making a monk-inquisitor rapist with max ranks in profession (torturer).

Although I think I have gone over the top so I'm going to tone it down.

>>51195110
Atolm.
Bitches LOVE babbys.

>is what I have to tell myself if I want to get up in the morning

>>51197069
>They're the ones with sexy character art.

>Beriaden
>Sexy

>>51197037
It's okay anon, sometimes I worry about whether people like my app too!

>>51197101
Everybody is somebody's kink, anon.

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>>51197069

Valeriya is a precious honey bun, don't look at her like that!

>>51197120
Who else is he going to look at?

>>51197069
post it for us to enjoy

>>51197082
Wouldn't a low view count imply that people don't like me?

>>51197114
Honestly, I just liked the character building of RotJR, both the chargen rules and coming up with backstory and personality. I only ever wanted to be memed; I likely can't play even if I got in.

>>51197145

Go for the filthy sluts like Onryou, Shizuka and Osanna.

>>51196600
One of the gitp posters did make me realise: what do you expect an aether swarm specialist to do with their free standard action every round before level 6? There aren't any good standard action clauses for in battle use in the least clauses.

>>51197153
>I only ever wanted to be memed; I likely can't play even if I got in.
Which app is yours, wonderful anon? I'm sure we can find something to meme.

>>51197161
Osanna might be a slut, but she's a clean slut that you wouldn't be afraid to take to a fancy dinner.

>>51195578
What if you got accepted into all three?

>>51196673
What if I'm on the bus while the game is running, still want to play and can type on my phone, but don't want to try and talk while there's a bunch of loud noise on this here public transportation?

>>51196600
A question (that you might have already fixed for playtest stuff): what's the range on Rebind Spell supposed to be?

A second, more philosophical question: Why 24-hour self-buff durations instead of constant?

>>51195047
I played a viking in a Linnorm Kings game! Turns out it's very dangerous to toss a shield around while in the middle of a rage.

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>>51196929
>a big girl
For whom?

>>51196673
My biggest issue with voice is actually that.
Rather than roleplaying, I get some nasal guy whose text descriptions are pretty good but who sounds like he's thanking me for calling valutec-support whenever he tries to be emotive in his words. I get some fat creep who couldn't sound like a woman if he tried, yet insists he IS one now.

But more than anything I get people babbling on and on on tangents, using their freed hands to go find meme pictures from JJBA and not actually doing fuck-all in game for ten-twenty minutes at a time, and the GM is one of them.

And that's not counting whoever's eating that fucking bag of sunchips, or the guy with local trains rumbling across his always-on-mic every five minutes, the one with feedback or horrid static due to a bad connection who insists that typing's shit, or the one who's quite fucking clearly playing fucking Halo or WoW BECAUSE GUESS WHAT WE'RE HEARING OVER THE SOUND OF HIS OVERWEIGHT WHEEZING.

It's a mess to even understand, and half the time what you understand is unrelated to the game as well.

>>51195237
A follower of Karma and Dharma, seeking to perfect his current place in the world so that his next reincarnation-cycle sees him higher on the social ladder.

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>>51197153
>Wouldn't a low view count imply that people don't like me?

Kinda, it just means they one-and-doned your app.

>>51197185

Osanna's development is kind of interesting, mainly because the player actually went through the trouble of mentioning she was treated like a tight warm cocksleeve by filthy brutes when she was a teenager up until she managed to establish a decent reputation as a high-class courtesan, allowing her to leave that lifestyle behind.

Makes me wonder how that background will pepper her interactions with the party and lovers. Will she be turned on by rough anal, or see it as a bitter reminder of her less glamorous past?

>>51196540
>no one is moping
>there are posts like these every thread
>>51195578

>>51197180
I don't know if I should say. It'd feel really inorganic whining about it to get attention. Memes born of pity surely can't be fun.

>>51197161
How is Shizuka a slut? She's a weirdo-nerd in glasses that reads books all day, that's the opposite of a nerd.

>>51197205
Oh, and just so you don't think I left myself out of that group:

>the one with a club just across the street who can barely hear something that isn't shitty dance music until 2am all weekend long if his windows are fucking closed, and who will "share" that crap whenever he pushes the talk button

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>>51197001

>>51197235
A pity meme may not be as sweet, but it could also be a window into a rich meme vein that everybody else has missed

>>51197205
If I could only get a group comfortable with voice that didn't think leaving their mic on all the time and constantly burping into their microphones was okay, didn't want to chew ice into it, and managed to keep themselves from meming out of character every round of combat or every two minutes outside of it.

>>51197205
>>51197245
Yeah, you're just a fuckface. If you have voice in games, it's just as much a social gathering as it is a game. It's the same as when people play videogames for fun; as long as it's not competitive gaming, there's literally nothing wrong with shooting the shit and messing around on voicechat while people are typing and moving around their mice.

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>>51197270
>>51197235

Give me your character, anon-senpai. I am but a simple man ill-trained in the forbidden arts of memery, but I might be able to meme a meme if you asked me to.

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>>51197261
Gotta admit that Shanna has grown on me, but the lack of explanation for why her family has a LITERAL ANIMAL as a family member when the rest of them are distinctly NOT animals still baffles me.

>>51197229
>Makes me wonder how that background will pepper her interactions with the party and lovers.
With the party? She'll peddle her other skills freely, and if the subject of her lifestyle or profession comes up in conversation, she won't shy away from it. With lovers? It depends; are they someone she wants to be with on the regular for romantic purposes? With someone like that, probably a little self-conscious!

>Will she be turned on by rough anal, or see it as a bitter reminder of her less glamorous past?
Both. Shame can be lewd.

I'm honestly a fan of text for a number of reasons.

I find it easier to separate from myself and RP when I don't have to do it with my own distracting-ass voice. I'd get embarrassed for my own damn self trying to pull that off when I'm actually on my own.

As an extension of point A, there is the other people aspect too. Most people aren't actors, and in addition to that, actors are chosen to match the character they'll be playing as well as possible. This is not how people make their characters for games like this usually. They MIGHT make a character they know they can RP by speech, but expecting people to ONLY do so is illogical.

Also.

Scrollback is a godsend. What was the name of that guy we talked to? Check the logs! What city were we headed for? Check the logs! What happened last week? Check the logs! Wanna keep a solid record of the game? Logs!

>>51197166
>One of the gitp posters did make me realise: what do you expect an aether swarm specialist to do with their free standard action every round before level 6? There aren't any good standard action clauses for in battle use in the least clauses.

Pest Control's no-save fatigue around you is fairly good; swarm is fairly close-in as far as effects go. Fist of the Sky is being moved to Least as well. Overall, the expectation is that while you're maintaining the autohit damage/debuffs, you'll be moving, finding something context-relevant to do with your standard action, or at later levels, using more offensive clauses. Hopefully, Fist's reduction to Least will also provide a nice option. Grab someone and hold them in your swarm.

>>51197197
>Rebind
Made a note about Rebind Spell; it'll be adjusted.

>24 hour durations
A couple reasons:

1. Legacy. A major part of this class' design is porting the 3.5 warlock, and in particular, making sure that people who liked that one are comfortable with it, especially when there's no real reason to change it.
2. Making no clause strictly a passive effect. Some being SLAs you activate while some being always-up looks weird on paper.
3. Counterplay: if you get dispelled in combat, the buffs are meant to go down until you get a moment to put them back up, rather than coming back 1/round at almost no action cost.

>>51197316
1) Legacy is a poor reason. Look where it's got us in the past.
2) I'm not sure why this is a concern
3) Plenty of constant abilities state that if they get dispelled, it's a certain action to resume them. You could just have a note at the start saying what action they need if they get turned off.

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>>51197334
>implying she hasn't been memed

low key memes are still memes, anon

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>>51197334

>Her
>The woman we devoted threads to discussing
>The woman we spent hours sprucing up her backstory or saying how cute and innocent and sweet she was

Anon...

>>51197295
It's perfectly reasonable to take issue with half the group being inaudible half the time, and if only a few are 'shooting the shit' while the only thing they're doing with their hands has nothing to do with the game, everyone else is waiting around bored. If it's voice-only, those left can't even roleplay with each-other.

>>51197344

no bully pls dumon

>>51197359

Oh no, we're going to bully you.

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>>51197313

>mfw Osanna meets a sweet man that treats her right

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>>51197359
The bully has yet to begin, anon

wasn't "The Not!Paladin Duo" the hot meme for a few threads back when this whole thing started? Seriously how did you think Silvia didn't get memed, your self-esteem must be nonexistent.

>>51197341
1. It's a poor reason when considered the /only/ reason, but given the goals of this design, I don't think it's a poor reason /here/. It is, after all, the same reason we have a grapple shape and most of the written clauses.

2. Perception of the rules is almost as important as the rules themselves. This one might not be as big of an issue, but it comes to mind. For example, the Invocations of the 5e warlock

3. After double-checking the rules and precedent on that... Here's another one that didn't occur to me until now, but I'm now remembering was a part of this decision:

4. The big thing is that doing that would require referencing a relatively obscure rule ("constant SLAs aren't actually constant; you have to keep re-activating them when their durations are up, and doing so is a swift action"), baking in an exception we'd need to call out specifically ("and this is truly constant, not 'we forgot to put in the duration'"), and finally, adding in another exception to cover the dispelling counterplay ("reactivated as a standard action").

Imo, that's more work than it's worth, and leads to way more complex rules for someone to parse than just installing a 24-hour duration. The latter is fairly clear—"you use this as an action, and then it's up all day. Reuse later"—while making them constant runs into the quagmire of rules holes that "constant" SLAs are.

>>51196376
3.5e's Sha'ir was an amazing t1 who didn't even have to spend WBL to learn more spells, let down slightly by the fact that at level 1 you could not afford your own familiar and thus could not actually cast any spells.

>>51197403
>>51197359

Let's bully the heck of this nerd if she gets in!

>>51197397
Now, now anon... she could also meet a nice woman!

>>51197408
I don't recall any 'it may be resumed as an X action' abilities actually having a duration.

>>51197403
That's not me, but yeah it isn't. Getting your Molthune app shat on for being "too similar to DHB's", the second RotJR character getting completely shut down in the thread and shit really does a number on you.

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>>51197456

I just want to see her happy, anon! Happy!

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>>51197456
>MFW the Casimir-Valeriya-Ossana love triangle turns out not to be a competition for Casimir's affections

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>>51197499
>mfw the triangle becomes a threesome

>>51197316
>A couple reasons

Still, even with those, why have 24 hour durations and not "permanent" or "indefinite" for the self-buffs (with a little sidebar somewhere to beware of dispelling) ? It'd have an identical gameplay effect, and it'd smack less of the "yet again, I activate all of my buff spells this morning" feeling.

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>>51197467
>mfw remember you're the guy who got cucked out of Warlock Vigilante fixes by his DM
>then bullied by a shitposter because your character had similarities to a popular shitpost target
>then got an adorable, A+ character concept shut down by shitposters

I... I honestly don't know if I can bully that. There's nothing left to bully.

>>51197542
Trust me, there probably is.

I'm kinda done with Pathfinder and TTRPGs for a bit, honestly.

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>>51197457
That's because I'm a moron.

I misread a word in them. Fuck, I'm too tired for this, apparently.

>A constant spell-like ability or one that can be used at will has no use limit; unless otherwise stated, a creature can only use a constant spell-like ability on itself. Reactivating a constant spell-like ability is a swift action.

I misread "or one" as "is one." Repeatedly. For like a month, apparently. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



>>51197534
Also I just realized I forgot to finish typing in my last post.

>For example, the Invocations of the 5e warlock are in some cases at-will abilities, some cases limited-use abilities, some cases constant buffs, and some cases extra stuff you get. This bugs me immensely, desu

If someone is reading a clause, I want them to know, just from the ability type, that this is "activate, and it lasts for a duration." Making some constant throws that for a loop, imo.

Imo, activating all your buffs in the morning is still fairly for a character whose powers are literally invoking a clause in a magical contract to grant them an ability for a time or a moment.

But honestly, I think it's clear that I am way too tired for this, because I just went and misread something important. I'll get back to you on that after more internal discussion with the other members of this team. I might just be a moron, or we might stick to it for the reasons described (or maybe other reasons).

I'm gonna go to bed.

>>51197542
What adorable, A+ character concept got shut down by shitposters?

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TAKING APPS FOR HELL'S VENGEANCE

Games on Tuesdays, Gestalt, 25pb, most 3pp allowed.

Join in!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/hells-vengeance

>>51197605
What do you think of Novennia?

>>51197577
>Imo, activating all your buffs in the morning is still fairly for a character whose powers are literally invoking a clause in a magical contract to grant them an ability for a time or a moment.

I think what really feels silly to me is that it's always EXACTLY 24 hours. That felt silly to me about the warlock, too.

If it was other long-but-weird instead of not-obviously-made-to-be-convenient-but-not-too-convenient amounts like "7 hours" or "13 hours per caster level" or "a year and a day" or whatever, it would bother me less. Hopefully you get what I mean?

"24 hours" as a duration for an at-will power does nothing interesting thematically, it's just the same as "Permanent (D)" except with more needing to announce things to the GM every day.

>>51197630
>a year and a day

Make it "a year minus a day", and there's a cooldown period of one day, so for exactly one day per year the character holes up somewhere and hides near-helplessly.

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>>51197605
>Running Hell's Vengeance
>Not running Way of the Wicked

>>51197591
Well, it was more a B- "better than expected", but second-third generation yokai kitsune shrine maiden who came to sandpoint on a special family-related duty, but was using it as an excuse to bum it around sandpoint rather than go back home. Don't think it ever got past that, because the kitsune shitposting was starting to rev back up and it bit the anon in the ass before anything could get done.

>>51197630
I'm saving this post for discussion. Gonna head off to do non-thinking things. Thanks for your feedback ^^

>>51197653
>you attack the avowed on that day
>you find out too late he took the one clause that only works on that specific day of the year and makes him superpowerful

>>51197531

>The sweet, experienced woman gently instructing the eager amateur on what to do

>>51197397

I for one would be aiming for something more along the lines of a big brute going to enjoy what she has to offer, but upon seeing the way she flinches or subtly panics due the rough treatment calms down and treats her to gentle intimacy.

Alright, I need two things from you guys. A good elf name, and an elven titty monster. What do you got for me?

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>>51197806
Titania

>>51197793

>Going from rough to gentle
>Not going from gentle to rough after getting her comfortable with you and your relationship

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>>51197806
How monstrous are we talking? I've only got up to like CR 8.

>>51197806

>Good elf name

Branwen

>Elf titty monster

I don't got none on this phone!

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>>51197806
>Erufuda

>>51197855

>tfw you stat elves with humanoid levels and make them larger when they get more HD

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>>51197806

>>51197855
Gunna need at least a Megane

>>51197659
>Running the game where it ends in everyone fucking dying or betraying each other
>Not joining forces to fight for the glory of Cheliax and Thrune
>Not celebrating by having an orgy

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>>51197806

>>51197849
That's the thing, Anon. It starts as nothing more than a night of fun, but once they get comfortable with one another it blooms into something more and then they can get kinky.

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>>51197892

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>>51197806
Talarwyn

Which RotJR characters, including NPCs, do you think would be open to threesomes?

And more importantly, which OT3 do you ship?

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>>51197920

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>>51197806
Aria
>I don't actually have pictures of big tittied elves on here

>>51197806

W-why do you need a titty monster? Damnation's Retribution is practically over and Elevation of the Green Minister is ending tomorrow!

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>>51197947

>>51197938

Your waifu with two of the biggest, roughest Ulfen men you can find.

>>51197959
Perhaps it's for Magic Winged Lizards and Additional Magic Winged Lizards. or Cottony Rear Extremity, Part The Second.

Hm... May I have help as well? The character art threads have not been good to me lately.

May I have art of a female adventurer with a nervous, worried, shy, or apprehensive expression? Blonde is plus, elf/half elf is big plus.

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>>51197965

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>>51198059
Not colored, unfortunately. Not sure if expression is right either.

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>>51198059

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>>51197591
Yeah, it was >>51197662 I'd also rate it about the same. It never got fleshed out or really got to develop a personality, let alone finish the build. I kinda liked that one too, honestly. From what I did do of the build it seemed to flow a lot better, the character seemed a little more endearing to me and probably more memeable too since it was Perform (dance) and cha-based, but whatever. The past is the past, what's dead is dead.

>>51195047
I played a Mongol Mergen.
Horseback scouts and the finest archers.

It was pretty fun, but I hate how PF doesn't give enough love for mounted anything.

>>51198080
........
I wanna be that shirt.

>>51195506
Eh, probably just go back to playing vidya.

>>51198080
Is that supposed to be a bracer? Because it's not going to do shit.

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>>51198174
So this is it, huh? The threads are gonna be full of fetish art spam now? God help me.

>>51198095
nigga it was a good pitch and concept, and you let one shitposter convince you not to go with it. It was only a B- because it was just a barebones pitch that needed to be fleshed out a little.

>>51198189
>one shitposter
>implying it wasn't multiple people including a ban
A message was sent.

>>51198185
What do you mean, 'now'?

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>>51198185
Your butthurt just drives me more.

Feel free to start discussion. Not like there's anything going on.

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>>51198185
The worst is yet to come, anon.

>>51198226
>Your butthurt just drives me more.

So you're a child as well.

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>>51198201
>including a ban

That's because you made the mistake of trying to do cutesy roleplay in the thread, dumbass. The character pitch itself was fine, but trying to be a coy little shit in the thread makes you look like a tool.

For RotJR.
Who do you think has the strongest build?
Who do you think has the most interesting build?
Who do you think has the worst build?

>>51198247
Look, I'm not saying the ban was underserved or anything, just that it was enough for me to want to abandon the concept.

This is why I didn't want to identify myself and get pity memes, but I'm a faggot so this was inevitable.

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>>51198241
No, I'm an adult that doesn't get pissy over what other people enjoy.

>>51197920
This will work great, thanks anon.

>>51198295
I just don't see the point in spamming this garbage when we already have character art threads, that's literally what they're there for. It doesn't belong here. But yes, I'm just the big mean guy who hates everything if that makes you feel superior.

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>>51198305
No, thank you citizen.

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>>51198321
There is little discussion happening. The worst offense that one could possibly think of is that it makes the thread reach limit faster. But it's not as if there is a finite number of possible /pfg/ threads.

>>51198321
I dunno about other anon, but it does for me.
Hard not to feel superior to a miserable little pile of secrets.

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>>51198292
Well, it sucks, but maybe after your break you'll feel like revisiting it. You've always got room to grow, and this is 4chan. Unless you do something immensely retarded and act like an obvious unlikeable jackass every post, people will probably stop giving a shit as soon as the next shiny new thing happens.

Who knows, maybe we'll end up in a game together after your break. Wouldn't that be something?

>>51198370
That was a lot funnier in your head, right?

>>51198352
>little discussion happening
There's never discussion happening here and you know it. /pfg/ has become memes, lewd/cuteposting, fetishes, and shitposting about 2hu/DHB/PoW/SoP/Paizo/Golarion. Nothing new or interesting shows up for the most part, and when it does it's quickly realized as either complete shit. mostly shit or vaporware (PoW errata, SoM, other playtest shit)

Without those, we'd be one of the slowest threads on the board.

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>>51198401
>vaporware
>PoW errata

Keledrath, no!

>>51198389
It would be something, but I'm not sure if I'd come back. Having a GM that is 1pp only, PFS-tier really makes playing frustrating, and my experiences with anything online so far have been not good. I might reuse it if I do come back, but it was one of those ideas that was built with the 3pp and gestalt nature in mind. It's hard to find other times to reuse the character.

>>51196066
there wasnt much outrage when hv got their players picked

if anyone even remembers that

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Reminder that Kobold in Golarion are canonically one of then oldest civilizations, and have naturally occurring intersex members if the species

tfw worried that your rotjr app is too similar to another persons

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>>51195237
A strict follower of feng sheui,

>>51198401
At least N. Jolly's playtest have some movement to them; they're short and punchy.

In the Weather Sphere for Spheres of power it says "As a standard action, you may control all weather within Medium range, adjusting either the wind, temperature, or precipitation levels. If you are in a confined area such as inside a building, your control only extends to the edge of that space."

Does that mean I can make it rain/windy/etc inside?

>>51198439
IT'S NEVER COMING AND WE'RE DOOMED TO SUFFER IN A IMBALANCED WORLD!

>>51198533
That's true, actually. He's probably one of the only developers that has consistent, quality, and mechanically different releases. FFS is the first two, but is kinda stuck in the warlock mindframe.

>>51198555
Yes but only inside, and first you have to come inside. You cannot use it from outside in that way.

>>51198485
Idk
I'm gonna fuck a Kobold girl
You can't stop me

>>51198577
Thanks, that's all I really need, to not lose my ability to do things whilst inside.

>>51198530
Feng Shui practitioners are more like Occultists than wizards. They use random items like potted plants (earth), aquariums (water), statuettes (wood/metal) and incense candles (fire) as implements to correct the natural flow of Ki and attract good luck.

An Eastern Wizard/Cleric/Druid would be these guys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamabushi

>>51198614
>As their reputation for mystical insight and knowledge grew, and their organization grew tighter, many of the masters of the ascetic disciplines began to be appointed to high spiritual positions in the court hierarchy. Monks and temples began to gain political influence. By the Nanboku-chō Period, in the 13th and 14th centuries, the yamabushi had formed organized cohorts called konsha, [4] and these konsha, along with sōhei and other monks began to take direction from the central temples of their sects. They assisted Emperor Go-Daigo in his attempts to overthrow the Kamakura shogunate, and proved their warrior skills to be up to the challenge of fighting professional samurai armies.

Several centuries later, in the Sengoku Period, yamabushi could be found among the advisers and armies of nearly every major contender for dominion over Japan. Some, led by Takeda Shingen, aided Oda Nobunaga against Uesugi Kenshin in 1568, while others, including the abbot Sessai Choro, advised Tokugawa Ieyasu. Many fought alongside their fellow monks, the Ikkō-ikki, against Nobunaga, who eventually crushed them and put an end to the time of the warrior monks.

Magic and Martial Arts?
Fuck that. Those guys are Magus/Paladins.

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>>51198565
Seeing as how Jolly/Forrest is becoming more common, you think that'll encompass SoM when it comes out?

I gotta admit, A Jolly SoM/P game would be kick ass.

>>51195047
Does Egypt have their equivalent of an Alchemist? The only thing I can think of are mummy embalmers and while that might make a good necro-chemist, is not what I'm going for.

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With all the talk of foreign stuff, anyone see anything regarding this?

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>>51198590
Why would I ever stop you?
Do it, follow your dreams

>>51198648
We still don't know if Jolly is capable of saving the rest of the SoM team from themselves.

>>51198650
What do you mean by 'Egypt', because that's a large place with a long history.

Finally posted an application to Hell's Vengeance.

>>51198696
Pre-dynastic Egypt, any of several major dynastic periods, north vs south Egypt...

There were whole periods where there were multiple kingdoms all claiming to be The Real True Egypt, like North vs South Korea today.

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I love d12s
What are they good for?
How can I shoehorn them in to my game?

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>>51198667
Oh yeah, that.

This is really Jason's project (Jason's a great publisher and cool dude by the way), I just came in to help round out some stuff. It's basically more along the lines of a rogue with cavalier orders, I did enjoy helping write up some of the gangs.

>>51198671
I gotta say, we've all been jiving pretty well. I'm pretty proud of the progress we've been making thus far. I'm working to make sure the backer only period of the playtest is as short as possible, but it'll probably at least be backer exclusive for a while. There WILL be an open playtest at some point.

>>51198730
Play Pokethulhu. It only uses d12.

>>51198730
Greataxes, greataxes everywhere.

If you want to be a bit silly about it, have a background thing in the game be that an ancient vault was unearthed filled with enough greataxes for an entire dwarven army, so now the entire region is flooded with dirt-cheap greataxes. Like, so many greataxes that inns start giving them away with stays and people rig contests for the PCs to "win" a pile of greataxes that the village folk don't need.

>>51195047
>Have you ever rolled a character whose class is based off you or another foreign culture's class?

Chalikari, Indian chakram throwers.
Ironically, I used it less and less in the game and more and more with my khopesh (which is egyptian)

>>51198722
Exactly. Zozimos was an alchemist similar to later European alchemists, and he was Egyptian, but does Hellenistic Egypt count as Egypt?

>>51198667
Wait, is this out already? I didn't see it on drivethru.

>>51198722
>>51198696
>>51198785
does it matter? tabletop games tend to be all over the place.

You have french musketeers fighting alongside norse barbarians, japanese samurais and african witchdoctors against an ancient dragon

>>51198650
Depends on the era. Mummy embalmers of the Pharaohs, "Five Elements" mathematicians of the Greeks, the hashashin of the Arabs, all of these could be considered a facet of the Alchemist class. But yeah, pretty much all of Egyptian history could have something that would be able to write "Alchemist" on their sheet.

>>51198741
Is there a Bard-like archetype for karaoke? Would be a great coincidence since this song is an inside joke in my group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD5bUjnim58

>>51198842
I'm not exactly sure what that would entail that wouldn't be capable of being done with the normal bard myself. Only thing I've kinda written like that would be Outrageous Lyricist, a vigilante archetype.

>>51198836
Yes it matters, because when you say "hey, how do I play a Frenchman," there's a huge difference between "bard with max ranks in bluff" and "barbarian with Artistry (Cave Painting)".

>>51198836
>You have french musketeers fighting alongside norse barbarians, japanese samurais and african witchdoctors against an ancient dragon

No wizards? they're gonna have a bad time.

Ironically, wizards are the rarest to exist in european and western lores because they're just as equally guilty of committing witchcraft.

>>51195047
Played a Paladin based on the Sikh once, using a Final Fantasy Blue Mage as my character art. Didn't get very far unfortunately, but it was extremely fun to play the most Dudley Do-Gooder in the world while wearing a turban, swinging around a scimitar, and having an enormous beard.

>>51198883
Hey Jolly, saw that vigilante archetype you wrote for wayfinder 16; nice that we can have a chainsaw or a shotgun armed vigilante that can rage.

>>51198836
It matters a ton depending on the tone you want!
Do you want an amoral and cunning privateer of the Elizabethan era, a zealous and god-fearing knight of the Crusades, or a posh and sophisticated detective from the Victorias?

>>51198900
Yeah, the ones in the lore are generally so rare because you're either executed as a witch (whether or not you even had magical powers at all), OR you manage to live and grow long enough that anyone who dares try anything in that regard will see at the very least their bloodline end, possibly their entire kingdom cursed. Suddenly everyone wants to appease you and say nice things.

Pretty much a case of "they'll trample anyone who *doesn't* also have nukes"

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>>51198756
that's a great idea
both mildly hilarious and entirely viable

Thanks!

>>51198747
I don't think I have the dedication to run an entire game on d12s, but I'll see if I can't steal a mechanic or two

>>51198934
>Do you want an amoral and cunning privateer of the Elizabethan era, a zealous and god-fearing knight of the Crusades, or a posh and sophisticated detective from the Victorias?

All of them could potentially exist in a single group though, because thats how hodge podge a single game is unless the DM is specific with the timeline of his campaign.

>>51198963
Yes, but when you say "I want to play a Brit" you're not being clear what you want to play.

>>51198900
>wizards are the rarest to exist in european and western lores

You say european wizard, I think Merlin.

Also, Faust. But he's more of a Warlock.
Fictional Aleister Crowley could fit too, but his real life equivalent is a drugged up hippie.

And I would definitely count all the Welsh and Celts who practice magic as wizards or druids or witches or shamans.

>>51198903

GOAT

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>>51195075
>Wake up
>Already invited
Fantastic.

>>51198984
You say Brit, I can think of several ideas.
The British rifleman, the African Savannah hunter, the drunken pugilist (but this requires some irish in his bloodline), the Sherlock-ean detective, the Arthurian knight and the secret service spy (some type of bard/rogue)

>>51199031
Edmund Blackadder

>>51199031
>the secret service spy (some type of bard/rogue)

Suave british spies are pf vigilantes.

I want to play a "Roman". What ideas can you guys come up with?

>>51199105
Flavius Aetius?

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>>51199105

>>51199105
gladiator (fighter), chariot rider (cavalier), peltast (warder), aeneator (bard), aquilifer (warlord), ballistarius or sagittair (archer), cornicen (rogue), sicarius (assassin), legionaire (warder), medicus (cleric), primus (alchemist or wizard), venator (slayer or ranger), inquisitor

>>51199105
I can think of Gladiators and Centurions.

>>51199158
>Roman job classes in tabletop all hail from the Roman Empire

>>51199194
Sicarius is anti-roman though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii

>The Sicarii were likely one of the earliest forms of an organized assassination unit of cloak and daggers, predating the Islamic Hashishin and Japanese ninjas by centuries.
>Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament, was believed to be a sicarius.

Hell, these guys should have existed in Assassin's Creed.

>>51199194
give me some other notable period of Rome where it would make good tabletop campaign setting. I'll wait.

>>51199220
Renaissance City States.

>>51199220
>foundation of Rome
>Punic Wars
>Post-fall "roman" empire chaos

Is it just me, or are armorists criminally underrated? With bound and summoned staves you can give yourself huge boosts to your caster level and give yourself new talents on the fly to suit the situation.

I played a character based on a culture that was a mix of Feudal Japan and Persian, with other Iranic/Scythian elements.

>>51199220
>>51199267

Punic wars and the end of western rome are pretty interesting eras

>>51197621
I like it so far, I'm concerned about time availability, I'll take a closer look tomorrow.

>>51199285
They don't have a lot actually going for them. Yeah they can give themselves talents and such, but their poor CL means they can't do a lot with them.

How do I make a Medium without shitting the bed? The class is really intriguing, and I really like it. Is there any good 3rd party content for it?

What would be the best thing to gestalt with uMonk? I want to punch monsters and solve problems.

>>51199423

sorcerer or cleric

>>51199445
>>51199423

or paladin or oracle or the double dip dancer bard

>>51199423
Do you have 3pp? If so, Brutal Slayer Stalker.

>>51199423
This >>51199510 or Warpath Inquisitor.

>>51199510
>>51199537

Might as well just make up your own class and gestalt with it

>>51199543
>huuuurr I don't understand initiating

Does Mesmerist even Gestalt well with anything?

>>51199423
If you've got a high stat buy Paladin can work really well, especially if you go Scaled Fist to use CHA for monk stuff instead of WIS. Smite Evil with Flurry is pretty goddamn brutal and it's a different kind of monk than you usually see.

>>51199562
Paladin. Immunity to fear stops the emotional casting interference, full BAB, skills, 3 good saves. Towering Ego doesn't stack with Divine Grace, but you can pick an archetype that loses one of them and still be fine.

At what level would a fairly optimized party of 5 be able to take on a level 10 vampire sorcerer and company?

At what level would a fairly optimized party of 5 be able to take on a level 15 optimized illusionist?

>>51199593
How many casualties are you willing to suffer?

Is the party allowed to be optimised for killing vampires or illusionists?

In either case, the answer is level 1 to 4, where you max Diplomacy and send 5 paladin orders after both of the bad guys.

Unless you wanted a straight fight which will make things different.

Does anyone have Everyman's Unchained Fighter? How is it? I don't see it in the trove or I'd just grab it to take a look.

>>51199637
I was thinking an actual fight. With classes not custom built to kill undead/wizards. Just 5 competent players.

>>51199661
>>51199593
Depends on how many levels of sorcerer, and how accessible healing is.

>>51199680
10 levels sorc (enough for teleport) with vamp tacked on at the end.

Healers in the party are a druid and a cleric.

>>51199423
Font of inspiration hedgewitch! Wis-based inspiration is neat!

The Pathfinder Society is a bunch of stodgy ol' assholes, right?

I mean, how do you build up in to the government of the biggest city in the world and pretend you're a gang of adventurers.

What am I missing here

>>51199713
They need to be at least 9th level, if he has minions. But unless they have some way to follow a gaseous formed vampire or AoE fire/channel energy prepared, the vampire will get away every single time.

>>51199738

Is Absalom the biggest city in the world? I didnt even think it fucking mattered much. Paizo is shit at world building. No one cares about their most important city.

>>51199661
It then depends on too many things to count. What company does the vampire Lord have? Is it on the vampire's home ground? Are the party going to be rested or worn out after battles?

Does the party know there's a vampire and can they get kitted up? Does the vampire know about the party and does he feel that there is a valid threat/can he draw on more resources?

Can either side set up an ambush?

At a minimum, the vampire can just leave with misty form if he has underground tunnels, but bright sunlight would be an issue.

You could kill a vampire at level 1 if he's sleeping. It's not a good question unless you have a party composition ready to go.

Illusionist is even worse. An illusionist can theoretically take over a Kingdom and throw all its knights at the party, or she could be stuck on a flat featureless plane with no pants on where anything she makes is going to be obviously an illusion.

>>51199562
Mesmerist/Dread is hilariously broken.
Both complement each other offensively. You can charm and intimidate targets to the point you will trivialize encounters against anything with an intelligence score.

>>51199776

>Homebrew content is hilariously broken

imagine that

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>>51199752
I've just been digging through the wiki, but yeah

>>51199781
>Durrr Psionics is homebrew

>>51199752
It was meant to be their biggest city, but then they just didn't... do anything with it. And people weren't interested. So they didn't.

>>51199790

>Durrr DSP isn't homebrew-tier

>>51199809
Alright then, defend yourself. What makes DSP homebrew? And don't say "it's not Paizo" or "options are unbalanced", because if we're going with that then Pathfinder is just homebrew 3.5, and Paizo's just as bad if not worse at balance.

>>51199823

Pathfinder is just 3.5 homebrew, though.

>>51199828
Then why even play?

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>>51199787
>filename

>>51199848
For all Paizo likes to hype them up, the Pathfinders don't actually do much of anything except mess around with stuff they don't really care to try and understand. They're the kind of characters who will inevitably do something like wake up a great old one by poking it with a stick. They're the types who just grab up tablets, artifacts, etc., drag them back to civilization, and then don't even have the brains or decency to try and sell it.

They're like idiot archaeologists crossed with That Guys.

>>51199869
So adventurers.

>>51199876
Exactly!
And it's the nature of adventurers to either eat other adventures alive, or grow complacent and burn in hubris!

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>tfw no one likes your character concept but you

Oh well

>>51199876
Except the average adventurer would at least have the self-preservation and self-interest to try and make a living off looting ruins.

Pathfinders are a special kind of stupid in that they hoard all that world-ending old junk and knowledge and then just let it gather dust.

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>>51199886
why make a witch of ice when you can make a frigid witch of fire?

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>>51198671
>Implying Stack is bad when he has a team to help him filter out his bad ideas from his good ideas
>Implying Ssalarn was ever bad

>>51199911

that's a really shitty megumin

>>51199931
Bootleg characters best characters

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>>51199911

Oh it is just art. Not actually my character. Close but not quite.

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I really wanna submit an App for Hell's Vengeance for an honorable warrior who fights with a sword that is too big, too thick, too heavy and too rough, inspired by picture related, but the hours chosen just suck.

>>51199965

>honor
>in an evil campaign

Anon pls.

>>51199984
Yeah, I know. I think I will wait for another Lewd Campaign.

Hi fellow Anons & Anonnettes, if anyone is interested, there is a new Humble Bundle with Paizo stuff - Iron Gods, some of the PF comics and other PF books.

Part 1 of Iron Gods and Worldscape (the one with the Red Sonja ranger archetype) are free.

>>51199965
>>51199989
>Mfw my knight-type character is already accepted to HV
>>51199984
>Implying LE can't be a honorable dark knight.

>>51200008

Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should! You can be honorable in almost every game posted. Evil games are there so you can play something different.

>tfw your anti-paladin takes Mask of Virtue, is able to walk right up to the paladin, then shank her in the kidney

>>51200033

evil games are categorically dumb

>>51200043

Hot opinion you have there anon. Sounds like you are still salty about being shanked in the kidney

I've started playing PF at a local gaming store who play 'core' and 'non-core' on alternative weeks. Is 'core' stuff only from the Core Rulebook, does it include things from the Advanced Player's Guide, or does this depend from group to group? They're using Society modules that grant character bonuses.

>>51200033
>tfw your dark knight is a reasonable enemy to the paladin, placing the seeds of doubt
>tfw the paladin falters in battle and is captured
>tfw you treat your prisoners with dignity
>tfw the paladin comes to see that your side is truly the correct one and reclasses into another proper class to follow in your way
>tfw your evil is subtle enough that the paladin never noticed all the evil in your acts.

>>51200161

Devilish!

>>51200174

>tfw you don't do homework deliberately

>>51200147
I Hope core refers to 1pp and Non-core refers to 3pp.
Otherwise Fuck the core only group. I can understand wanting to "go back to basics" but there is effectively 2 martials in that book with fighter, Rogue and Monk Fucked Up.

>>51200206
Anon, no bullying the Ranger!
He's still there, even if just a inferior druid!

>>51200222
He's including Ranger, I think. The two martials are Barbarian and Ranger, Fighter/Rogue/Monk are garbage.