HFY thread. Magical aliens edition.

The problem with the aliens is that they rely on magic too much, to the point of where EVERYTHING they use is atleast slightly enchanted.

Bump for potential

(Ain't about to see this archived without a reply)

>>51193754
What are Eldar?

>>51193754
>Humanity can use magic, they just never knew how
>Make it to the stars with technology only to find every other race is there with magic
>Begin to learn from the other races
>Things that totally defy physics, but still follow some laws
>Using magic from a scientific perspective gives us a massive edge
>Other races see a spell that creates heat as a way to make food
>We discover that it pulls heat from the surrounding area, work it into cooling loops to increase efficiency

>>51194134
again, helped inspire the idea, just think eldar that got hit with the nerf hammer too hard and a humanity that can compete with them tech wise without the magic crutch.

Ugh, HFY is shit.

>>51193754
Humanity is anti-magic and basically blanks from 40k and the aliens have a collective shit fit when they realize that some stupid animals hard-counter them.

>>51194235
>other races see it as a spell
>humanity sees it as a way to clauterize wounds and torture people by slowly boiling them alive

>>51194335
>Any thing 40k.
No.

>>51194400
Wasn't thinking down that road but sure.

>Reverse Gravity spells are calculated with extreme precision
>Sheer forces slice enemy ships/buildings/people in half
>Same with teleportation spells

>Anti-Magic fields go from being super deadly space mines to a weapon against all other races.

>We can fire large spells out on torpedoes
>The spells then detonate at a preset distance

>>51194563
Son, where do you think you are?

>>51194575
>turn simple light spell into pocket flashbang
>use a spell meant to alter gravity slightly to alter an asteroids course to hit a planet 10 years after casting to get rid of threats without looking like genocidal maniacs

>>51194563
>posts on /tg/ and dislikes 40k
>posts on a hfy thread and dislikes 40k

You lost or something?

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>>51194762
>The power of runes is determined by how accurately they're drawn
>Factory lines allow for extreme precision
>Instead of a simple light spell carved into a stick, hundreds of thousands of them are carved into a small piece of metal
>The resulting light is known to blind

>Humanity begins to think on larger scales, carving rune patterns into the surface of asteroids using swathes of nanomachines
>Not only does it steer itself towards a planet it also impacts as though it were several times larger due to the increased gravity


>Humanity's planets are now surrounded by innumerable anti magic satellites
>No other race can get close
>Even their gods can't touch the planet
>Our conventional weapons prevent them from using asteroids against us at this point

>>51194325
This.
Return to Reddit, you HFYfags, and stop trying to bring that shit back here.

>>51194993
Don't equate us HFY oldfags to the utter shit that's on reddit.

>>51194874
>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humanity is constantly trying to make newer ways to kill stuff
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>races tell them the guardians of magic will come for them
>humanity: lol k
>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies

>>51195060
HFY oldfags are the worst pieces of shit, even worse than the faggots on Reddit, because you are the dumbfucks that took a bad idea and turned it into something truly terrible.

HFY is something that should have died in infancy, and yet you put a collar on that crippled babe and dragged it through the slums of the world until it died from every worst disease, and now here you are, still pulling that bloated, maggoty corpse along like you think you're doing it a service.

Fuck you, fuck HFY, and one more fuck you for being pretentious about how much of dumbfuck you personally happen to be.

>>51195100
This is why HFY died in the first place.

here's a better version
>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humans are constantly trying to make new ways to protect themselves
>to humans protecting yourself means killing the other guy before he can kill you
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>races tell them the guardians of magic will come for them
>humanity: lol k
>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies

>>51193754
> humanity meets magic users
> we break out the bomb
> the first time we use it, it works and the effects are just as horrific as you would imagine.
> the second third, and fourth times the bomb fails to detonate. We don't know why for years.
> After the war is over, during peace talks, we ask how they stopped the bombs from going off
> "Really? I mean, don't get me wrong. Its a really powerful weapon. But you put all your eggs in one basket. A simple counterspell neutralized the whole thing."
> "But... its not a spell. Its not magic."
> "You split the fundamental building blocks of the universe to draw forth incredible power, and you DON'T think that's magic?"
> "..."

>>51194874
> using swathes of nanomachines

Sure, why don't you just include time travel and dyson sphere while you are at it, since this is apparently post-singularity humanity'. All hail our infallible AI overlords!

>>51194750
>>51194782
Another anon, and most people on /tg/ dislike 40k. 40k fans are just an obnoxious minority on this board, obnoxious to the point where they created a myth about how they feel like /tg/ was made because of them without an ounce of proof.

>>51195170
I'm still working on my grammar, English is complicated and I refuse to go on 2chan. But yes yours is better 100%

>>51195165
I respect your opinion.

Here's your (you), nice try

>>51195221
That's a fair point.

Though from my perspective if humans can use magic, we could easily overcome the issues of power and heat dispersion that come with making smaller and smaller machines.

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>>51195226
>most people on /tg/ dislike 40k.

>>51195226
Fair enough, but /tg/ and 40k are synonymous in the same way as /tg/ and DnD are. Everyone has opinions.

>>51195100

>guardians of magic come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>guardians attack earth
>humans MAC cannon... nothing. Shit, why isn't the MAC cannon working? What happened to the runes?
> "Because were are the guardians of magic, you stupid fucks. Why would you think you could use magic against us?"
> "But thats not f-f-fair"
> "We're taking our runes and going home. You are on probation. In 10,000 years, if you have learned your lesson, you can have magic back."
> "Also, we are imposing economic sanctions against your planet."

>>51195312

> magical races and gods be all 'we told you, bro. We warned you about those guardians of magic.'

>>51195312
You do know that MAC cannons use magnets, right? They are just fuckhuge rail-guns.

>>51194235
What if humanity couldn't use magic and the races either pitied them or saw humans as animals?

>>51195312
>>51195342
>Humans are just really fucking confused why their MAGNETIC ACCELERATOR CANNON is stopped by them taking magic away
>Fuck it, lets just nuke them

>>51195358
How do you think magnets work?

>>51194235
I remember reading a piece of HFY with this same premise, with the difference that humanity knew magic and used it extremely well in biblical times and other races locked humanity into a Sol system wide anti-magic field out of fear, humanity advanced as usual, explored space through technological methods, found the satellites that kept up the antimagic field and disabled, forcing the aliens to show up while humanity very suddenly found what they were actually capable of.

>>51195170
Double fix'd

>the races find humanity and learn of its barbaric past
>try to change them and make the peaceful
>fail to realize that humans are constantly trying to make new ways to protect themselves
>to humans protecting yourself means killing the other guy before he can kill you
>give them the means to make runes and tell them that it's a very sacred practice
>humanity nods and starts making factories designed to produce runes
>corners the market on time products that are 100% better and 100% cheaper
>the races and gods don't like this and tell humanity to cease and desist
>humanity: Lolno
>the Not!Klingons come and threaten to destroy humanity if they don't stop the bastardization of magic runes
>humanity: Lolno
>Not!Klingons attack earth
>humans MAC cannon them to oblivion
>humanity: eat shit space hippies

>>51193754
>Aliens spoke directly to gods and interacted with magic powers.
>All of their scripture and literature stem from direct descriptions of things that actually happened. Their myths all have the moral "Trust and obey out gods, for their wisdom is immortal". Their knowledge of "spirituality" or "symbolism" is just "this shape means 'fireball'".
>Their idea of "art" is very garish, and begins and ends with "pretty to look at".
>Their idea of "weighty" or "significant" only involves how big and flashy its magic effect is, or how much a god approves of it.

>Humans have no magic, and no gods.
>We've developed advanced artistic techniques in order to communicate and evoke thoughts and feelings we'd be otherwise out of touch with.
>We have rich traditions in literature, culture, and philosophy - all of which stem from our early mythologies and the desire to find comfort, reason and humanity in an otherwise silent cosmos.

>This, combined with our sophisticated knowledge of the natural world, differentiates us from all of the dickwaving magically powerful aliens who have no words equivalent to "empirical" or "poetry".
>Some see us as unfathomably mysterious, but extremely wise. Others find us to be sinister, and our arts to be unhealthy distractions at best and unnerving portents at worst. Yet more see us as godless, wishy-washy and "degenerate", too focused on abstract matters to comprehend the concrete salt-of-the-earth enchantments and orizons they make great use of.

Probably not a popular direction for HFY, but one I'd like to see more of. It doesn't matter how many rhyming incantations and diving mandates you have memorized. Having real, ubiquitous magic and gods to answer everything for you means that your mind and spirit will be woefully undeveloped in most other ways.

>>51195390
>>51195390
I remember a different HFY similar to these, except the sol system was an anti-magic field.

>>51195445
>"diving" should be "divine"

I've had a long day.

>>51195445
>Probably not a popular direction for HFY, but one I'd like to see more of.
Agreed. I like the "human smash good" HFY as much as any other, but this is the truly good and interesting stuff.

>>51195370
>Humans are treated with disdain
>Race of Not!Elves takes pity and lobbies for them to be treated somewhat decently
>End up with the scraps left over from the other races
>Planets where magic can't work or that didn't have the resources for spells on it
>Humanity continues like they always have, spreading wherever they can go
>A large war explodes between the gods, dragging their respective races into it
>Due to their planets not being valuable, humans are mostly ignored
>Not!Elves end up asking us for help, after taking several heavy losses
>Humanity arrives in the war with entirely different tactics
>Normally spells are fired off at enemy ships
>Humanity simply has the Not!Elves slap the strongest anti-magic fields possible on their ships and charges the enemy
>As they get close they disable the enemy ship and then board it, fighting them with firearms

>Something something, humanity wins the war
>Not!Elf Waifu, what do?

>>51195358
>>51195377

So you presumed that a railgun, the bargain bin weapon of scifi, would just naturally be enough to deal with the guardians of a reality warping force that even gods have to keep on the good side of?

I literally can't count the number of ways that magic could be used to render a MAC completely powerless or ineffective.

>>51195512
>Humans are treated with disdain
>Race of Not!Elves takes pity and lobbies for them to be treated somewhat decently
>End up with the scraps left over from the other races
>Planets where magic can't work or that didn't have the resources for spells on it
>Humanity continues like they always have, spreading wherever they can go
>A large war explodes between the gods, dragging their respective races into it
>Due to their planets not being valuable, humans are mostly ignored
>Not!Elves end up asking us for help, after taking several heavy losses
>Humanity arrives in the war with entirely different tactics
>Normally spells are fired off at enemy ships
>Humanity simply has the Not!Elves slap the strongest anti-magic fields possible on their ships and charges the enemy
>As they get close they disable the enemy ship and then board it, fighting them with firearms

>Something something, humanity wins the war
>Not!Elves take all credit, they were manipulating humans the whole time

>>51195566
fix'd

>>51195165
So...your such a bitch that you identify as Otherkin or something? I identify as one of the great human war machines, you may refer to me as an Apache Attack Helicopter, this/that pronouns. Feel more comfortable now (you)?

>>51195512
>Not!elf waifu, wat do?

HOMOED

>>51194325
>>51194993
>>51195165
If you don't like it, hide the thread and move on. There is literally nothing forcing you to come in here and trying to ruin others' fun. Doing so is just kind of dickish. It might not always live up to it, but /tg/ has always had the ideal of at least TRYING to not be shits to each other. If you don't like this thread, just leave it be. Remember the golden rule of the board. Just be excellent to each other.

>>51193754
Oh she here's an idea

>the magic Aliens rely on magic for everything
>including wars
>whole wars fought with barely sentient golems and magic constructs
>the victors either have more golems or better golems
>suddenly humans
>the races find them and are confused as to how they fight wars as they can't make golems so they assume that humanity is peaceful and try to conquer them and attacks what they think to be a colony
>nb4 it's a military controlled planet
>ships send down golems in waves
>golems defeated with basic tactics (flanking, guerrilla warfare, etc)
>race finds out that humans fight wars with human soldiers and not golems
>humans find this out too
>humans out match the aliens physically
>humans invade civilian planets with little to no resistance because they didn't think this could happen

TL;DR, aliens use magical constructs to fight and use little to no tactics and attempt to fight humans like this and lose horribly

>>51195551
>Reality warping powers

Obviously we just teleport behind them and stab them with our katanas.

Nothing personnel anon

>>51195551
Idk man it was the first thing to come to mind

>>51195512
That could be fun. NotElves and other assorted races teleport everywhere. Humans just shoot our asses out from orbit in drop pods and HE missiles.

>>51195758
That would also explain the disdain/pity part. We have to physically travel places. They can just warp across the galaxy.

>>51195758
It boils down to magic vs. science, NotElves! and others are inept at anything that dosen't involve magic while humans are reverse. The NotElves! and co. are close to the gods because of magic while humans have no connection to them because they can't use magic. This could be rendered down to logic vs. creativity, logic being humans who had to work for everything and came out better because of it and theNotElves! and co. get most things handed to them with magic and rely too heavy on magic.

>>51195445
This would be fucking awesome, what kind of races might try to talk to them, does Pun-Pun get pissy at them, or does he try to make friends too?

Our gods are dead. Ancient human warriors slew them millenia ago, they were more touble than they were worth.

>>51195860
>>51195845
But what about the not dwarves? Don't they matter too, or do humans have to go on a galactic road trip and "rescue" races on the magic4life fuckers shitlist? Gnolls are made into roman style legions working alongside humans, maybe for belly rubs and/or ear rubs, Dwarves would be the techmasters that man large gun barges or something, what other races would be on a magic gods and as sundries shitlist?

>>51195936
It's more "humans win because aliens rely entirely on a powerful weapon that falls apart against a hard counter"

>>51195692
So they have actual war games while humans do the real thing? Could be fun.

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>>51196028
This basically

>>51196028
This is good.


This whole thread is a gold mine of good ideas!

>>51195165
>>51194993
>>51194325

Except these. these add nothing to the brainstorming.

>>51196028
Funny, and a cool concept for a campaign, I'm gonna use it, but not the point of the thread.

>>51193754
What would the gods think of humanity? Would they fight over them like children over a new toy to get them as worshippers? I'd think humanity would have none of that shit. Thoughts?

>>51196028
Maybe Elementals? They could be enslaved to power spells. Humanity has no need to imprison them and thus they get along pretty well.

>>51196116
And, not even going to try and disguise your circlejerking?

Those ideas are "meh" at best, but they must seem like gold to any HFYfag since your standards are so low.

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>>51193754
>>51194235
>>51195390
Found it. Here you go.

>>51196213
>humanity finds aliens
>hfyshithappens.jpg
>war shit happens and elemental slaves join humanity
>humanity has no need for them and the elementals just want to be treated like beings and not power sources
>war ends and terms include freeing elementals
>elemental flock to human space to live
>they coexist and elementals power shit exept it's treated like a job and get payed for it
>all ends well

Elemental waifu wat do

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>>51196314
>AIR ELEMENTAL BLOW JOBS

>>51195165
>HFY
>bad idea
HFY was supposed to be the opposite of standard SciFi films, with humans being notably smarter and stronger than other races instead of weaker. The original idea was good. What sucked is that it turned into the same shlop that it was supposed to subvert.

>>51195602
If you want a hugbox where your crap ideas are free from being criticized, you should head over to Reddit.

If your idea of fun is repeating tired, dead threads, and to avoid being criticized for regurgitating the same uninspired tripe that cycles through these threads, then it might be time to learn how to have fun with something that actually involves a speck of gray matter.

Being excellent to each other means telling you your shit stinks when you dump it on the ground and tell people to come and take a look at it.

>>51196388
Here, take the (You). I have many to give.

>>51196350
Stop repeating this same stupid shit, you fucking retard.

The standard for SciFi has humans always winning in the end. HFY is not supposed to be the opposite of that, it's hardly supposed to be anything except a loose idea for idiots to wank to.

There's some faggots who go through the "Wah, humans are boring" bullshit, and then they go on about how to do HFY, when all they're doing is making new races, calling them human, and then jerking off to how great they are.

Your idea is equally retarded, because it stems from the kind of person who's only seen the movie Avatar and feels fucking frustrated as shit. If you've actually read enough science fiction, rather than just pretended to while hamfisting anything where humans win under the umbrella of your shit concept without understanding that any decent writer would call HFY a mindless simplification of humanity, you'd have long ago recognized that humans are given premiere status in science fiction. They're either ultimately the strongest, or presented as heroes triumphing over the odds.

Your masturbation does nothing except take the worst parts of science fiction, and replaces any facet of exploration with a foregone conclusion of that humans need to be the best, as if the mysteries of the universe are a dick-measuring contest.

It's pathetic, idiotic, and the stories that result from this ass-backwards creative process have proven to be shit because of how crap your HFY writing prompt is.

Hell, at least the people who are open and honest about how HFY is just a circlejerk for people to shout HUMANITY FUCK YEAH and run head first into walls aren't pretentious about its "purpose."

>>51196560
You know, if you don't like this, no ones forcing you to be here. You can leave.

>>51195881
It would really depend on the story. I'd have it so that each alien race sees as sort of savage and backward, since we have no magic and as such can't contribute much to their societies. Earth itself would be considered like a quaint shithole third-world country.

Their gods would similarly see us as beneath their concern. Some would pity us and offer magical help if they don't need to go out of their way to do so. Others would view us with contempt and take offense at the very thought that we'd try and contact them or their flock races as equals. Some would be apathetic, not minding as we do our thing while they do theirs.

Nonetheless, barring actual moratoria on immigration, I would imagine that each alien race would soon come to find that at least a few humans have come to visit or live on their worlds. We'd do this out of curiosity, or hopes to find a better life with the aliens, despite being an underclass among them. Some would see our technology and natural sciences as having some use. Divine healing spells would no doubt be heavily controlled, but surgery would be open to anyone who knows a human. A race's Fisher King would fall into a depression, so one or two poorer aliens would buy a car to travel in instead of the once-potent magically fast horses and shit they were once able to use. A recidivist criminal who has turned away from their gods' teachings is denied spiritual succor by their priest, so instead turns to a human psychologist for some cognitive-behavioral help or talk therapy (I doubt our psychiatric drugs would be reliable for magical aliens, and I doubt they'd let us conduct clinical trials on their kin). Etc.

Of course, some would see value in our arts and philosophy, but have trouble comprehending them. Different races would appreciate different genres or types, but only on the most basic levels. I'm out of space, but I want to see what others can come up with off of this.

>>51196292
>magic aliens find human
>they observe them for a bit and find out they don't use magic
>decide to uplift them because what's the worst that could happen
>fast forward a few years
>humans are given anti-magic fields
>a race decides that humans are not worthy of space travel and attack colonies
>humans deploy anti magic fields and target ships with focused beams of null
>normally anti-magic dosen't work on ships as they're insulated
>the concentrated beams break through the insulation
>ships just shut down completely
>power, thrusters, shields
>and life support
>humans unwittingly make a WMD
>races collectively lose their shit and scramble to find the specs of the weapon
>as it turns out the weapon emits a kind of radiation that is named "null radiantion" as any race with even a hint of magical connection dies after exposed for a prolonged period
>humans become a new super power of the galaxy.

>>51196560
Ignore him, he'll leave eventually.

>>51196624
Someone write this in story format

>>51193754
God OP comic/pic always triggers me.

It's like the OP has no concept that several thousand things can be as powerful as nuke in the fantasy realm. Including magic.

And from the the art style ins't is that one artist that is always posting Tolkien shit? (I'm unclear if that elf is suppose to be a Tolkien character or just generic elf). Shouldn't he know better?

Agh! Just agh!

>>51196655
Dubs has spoken

>>51196722
Look man, I found the pic, and I thought it looked cool and fits hfy and was somewhat funny, take your complaints elsewhere as we don't really care.

>>51196722
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/856019/


Locate city: nuke

>>51196762
Also fucking hell I never see the errors until after I post

>>51196606
If you don't like your shit being called shit, then stop spamming it and then bumping your gay threads with half-assed "c'mon everyone! help revive this dessicate corpse!" conversation.

You can always return to Reddit and just console yourself with the same story told again and again about how those wacky, wascally humans won again.

>>51196812
Or you could ignore this thread and stop posting on it, if you don't like it fine, that's your opinion and you can have one just don't tell us that we shouldn't like something because you don't.

>>51196908
I'm telling you in clear terms why HFY is retarded, and you are retarded for trying to spam it here again.

It's a damn shame you're too retarded.

>>51196812
the point of hfy shit is to try a new concept where humans aren't incredibly outmatched my other races and only win by the skin on their teeth. We want new(ish) stuff to work with that's it.

>>51196939
Just ignore him, he'll go away eventually

>>51196939
y does i haves tuhbe smrat tuhbe hurr

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>>51196939
You know when a person loses an argument when he starts calling you and your opinion 'retarded'.

>>51196047
It's more "Humans win because they have a more powerful and smarter alien backing them"

>>51196980
I know, but it's just so fun to fuck with trolls

>>51196939
God I love it when arguments devolve into calling each other retarded

>>51196977
Wow, I didn't know you faggots think ideas that were done to death decades before you were even born are suddenly somehow "new."

Really? Trying to sell human not being outmatched by other races as something new when other HFY faggots spend all their time arguing about how the decades old Star Trek and Starship Troopers is HFY?

Fuck off, you retard. It's a dumb writing prompt for idiots who were upset about one occasion in a hundred where humans didn't come out on top to channel their frustrations into.

>>51197024
>this is what retards actually believe

So, that's how you preserve your ego?

>>51196722
>Rune magic designed to create more runes
>Every rune is double the size of the previous
>When the runes overlap, they explode
>Use it to nuke planets

>>51196619
Continuing on my own:

I doubt the nobility or upper classes of the magical races would see much in our arts and cultures outside of finding them an academic curiosity. Those aliens who are disenfranchised or rebellious might come to appreciate human art and philosophy to an extent. They'd identify strongly with "Beggar to Beggar Cried", but not really know why. They'd just root for that poor beggar who's on his way to get those things he wants, or think "yes, this is like me" and want to learn more about the specific human the poem was clearly written about ("My family is older than the stars. Maybe he'll be distantly related to me!", they'd think). Some would listen to some Kanye's songs, approving of what is clearly his praise for immense power ("See, there's more to these humans than most say. Like us, they have an innate understanding of why magic like ours is important, even though they've never seen it in the entirety of their history. It's astonishing, really!"). They'd like our painters' still-lives or self-portraits ("Ah, yes. Careful replications of the details found in everyday objects. If only my apprentice rune-painters spent such effort practicing control and precision") or they'd like the more abstract stuff ("These splatters are pretty. They remind me of the virulent spellfire in the sky above the Battle of N'aeriti."). When not hyperfocusing on magic, they'd probably seek to emulate or teach the behavior of fictional characters ("Pay attention to this Ishmael fellow. He's very good-natured and has nothing but respect for his betters. If he'd remained in his role as a schoolteacher, he never would have risked drowning in such a horrible calamity" or "This Javert is a model warrior. He makes good use of every resource and never shirks his duty. I'll have a set of claw rings like women's fingernails commissioned when I get back off duty and can wear civilian dress.").

More to come about the detractors who dislike us.

>>51197100
Well that's what happened, yes? He ran out of ideas and switched to "you and your opinion is retarded"

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>>51196977
>the point of hfy shit is to try a new concept

It's not new. Off the top of my head, fucking Star Trek meets this handily. Starship Troopers (the book) had humans winning the war against the Arachnids. Humans dominate the Star Wars galaxy in all its eras.

The granddaddy of all science fiction, John Carter of Mars, is entirely centered on how superior a human is compared to several different races of Martians.

Humans appear to be the dominant force in The Fifth Element.

Even in Avatar, the piece of shit movie that more or less started HFY, there's no question that humans are superior in every measurable way to na'vi when both species are taken as a whole. It required a lot of special circumstances, including limited numbers, an innately hostile world, and HELP FROM HUMANS, for the na'vi to beat humans.

You're complaining about a problem that never existed.

A fairly decent knowledge of biology and chemistry makes me particularly hate the whole "we breath poison! We drink a corrosive liquid!" thing that pops up. If there's alien life out there, it will almost certainly be carbon-based, and therefore breathe oxygen and drink water just like we do. That's just a chemical fact.

HFY is an okay writing prompt, but it should be focused on genuine human strengths, and it shouldn't need to turn us into Goddamn supersoldiers compared to everyone else, as though other alien races won't have their own shit to deal with on their own homeworlds.

PDF related. This is actually good HFY.

>>51197296
runes that make runes to explode sounds dangerously stupid, but damn me do hell if it isn't hilarious

>>51197332
>explained why something is retarded
>"stop calling it retarded because you don't like it"
>it's retarded because of these reasons, you retard
>"ha! you called me a retard! You lose, because those are the rules!"

Sorry, but you're still a retard

>>51197335
>good HFY

That is shit and you're an idiot for thinking it's anything else.

And, John Carter is about John Carter, not about how humans in general are superior to Martians. It's also far from the granddaddy of all science fiction.

Holy shit, you're some kind of magical retard, aren't you? HFY has rotted your brain to the point where you exist only to prove how stupid it is and the people who like it are.

>>51197335
I see your point and respect it, but for the love of god if you don't like this thread ignore it, if you don't like hfy then dont post in the hfy thread, it's your opinion the hfy is dead on /tg/ but so what? I don't care and neither should you. Just shitpost somewhere else and call it a day, let us have our fun.

>>51197390
Or, hear me out, give me a reason why my opinion is bad without the word retarded.

>>51197419
>It's also far from the granddaddy of all science fiction.

Well, the the daddy of Interstellar Romance, anyway, which is the daddy to Space Opera, which is the genesis for everything from Dune to Foundation to Lensman to Star Trek, which then gives us HFY.

And John Carter's exceptional abilities on Mars all stem from the fact that he's human, and therefore innately superior to Martians on their own homeworld thanks to gravity, and that Martians would be very weak on Earth, again due to gravity. Any human on Mars would be just as strong as Carter.

>>51197430
It's not that I don't like HFY, it's that I think that HFY fans need to both a) create a mission statement to the effect of improving HFY's standards to be somewhat more exacting and less based on the Humans-Are-Space-Marines thing, and b) make this intent very clear in the OP of every thread they create, so as to avoid folk like the first Anon I responded to derailing the threads.

>>51197450
Because your opinion is that HFY isn't absolute trash, and that's easily disproved by any HFY story.

It goes between wank and pretentious wank, because its fulcrum, purpose, and identity is defined entirely by wank.

That, or just by the nature of it being unreadable due to it being so poorly written. Look how awful the dialogue in this piece of shit is.
>>51197335

Even high school students would be ashamed to submit this.

>>51197450
Not that Anon, but I did it here, >>51197335. In short: HFY is a response to a problem that never actually demonstrably existed, and in its inception it went WAAAAY overboard. Like, Adolf "I honestly think that good breeding is what wins wars" Hitler overboard.

>>51197536
Stepping out of dealing with HFY for a moment, what's wrong with the dialogue in this? The whole thing is a casual conversation between two friends. The dialogue should be informal and styled that way.

>>51197511
Well I'm putting forth a scenario where humans are out matched by aliens who have this cosmic power that really is just a crutch, I'm not doing the generic "humans are stronger", I'm saying that humans evolved with out it and can function normally without magic shit. The aliens on the other hand rely too much on it, to the point of where taking the crutch away would be akin to shutting off electricity to a city.

>>51197511
They stem from him being an Earthling, not human, you idiot. More importantly, the story is more about how John Carter's personal attributes of courage, honesty, and loyalty are what made him a hero, and not just his physical abilities. And, these are not exclusive traits to humans.

HFY has poisoned your mind, so that you can't see that what made John Carpenter a hero wasn't that he could jump high.

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>>51196939

>I HATE THING
>OH NO THERE IT IS
>HELLO THERE EVERYONE WHO ENJOYS THING, I HAVE COME TO TELL YOU I HATE THING
>We don't care, why did you come here, go away.
>NO, ALLOW ME TO TELL YOU WHY THING IS BAD
>No, just leave, you're autistic.
>HAHA YOU'RE ALL RETARDED

????????????????

>>51197543
Again, it's all a matter of opinions, I like hfy and you dislike bad hfy, I'm a newfag who found hfy on 1d4chan and thought it was a cool concept. We can agree that bad writing sucks regardless of what it's about

>>51197596
>They stem from him being an Earthling, not human, you idiot.

Somehow I doubt a Tasmanian devil or peacock or Komodo dragon or any other inhabitant of Earth would have impacted Martian society and culture as greatly, if at all. Drawing a distinction between "Earthling" and "human" in this case is pure pedantry, and you know it.

>More importantly, the story is more about how John Carter's personal attributes of courage, honesty, and loyalty are what made him a hero, and not just his physical abilities. And, these are not exclusive traits to humans.

While true, the physical power that being human/Earthling/Virginian granted him while on Mars is what enabled his courage, honesty, and loyalty to actually do or achieve anything on Mars beyond what Martians possessed of those qualities themselves could have achieved. Without his functional superpowers, he'd just be one more guy and probably wouldn't have lasted a day on Mars.

>>51197623
>HEY GUYS, READ MY SHITTY WRITING
>this is an offtopic thread. This is a traditional games board. Also, your writing prompt is ridiculous and leads to terrible stories
>FUCK YOU, STOP CALLING IT SHIT
>but your writing is terrible, your themes childish, and your main goal is senseless masturbation
>SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP IT'S SMART
>no, it's moronic, and the more you debate, the more we open up exactly why it's terrible and why all the stories that come from it are half-baked and premature
>STOP FUCK YOU STOP FUCK YOU

Holy shit, I knew you were retarded, but not THIS retarded.

>>51197319
Detractors would probably come in two flavors. There'd be the ones who take us seriously, and the ones who think we're too effete, by their particular definition of the word.

The ones who take us seriously would read our stories and mistake our intentions for theirs. We write about magic and great tragedies, so they assume we all secretly want or intend to bring such things onto them somehow. "This man just turns into a cockroach and his family abandons him! They're describing the effects of some sort of transfiguration!" or "Flashing eyes? Floating hair? They deny this Xanadu is factual, but then they accurately describe the signs of immense and mighty channeling! I don't trust them and I want them off our planets!"

The others would be less alarmist. "They're always complaining, even in their art. 'Ooooh my life is no better than that of a cockroach! Oooooh woe is me I might turn into one!'. They're so lazy and they expect everything from us." Or "They've put a lot of effort into making a clear picture of what effect they want, but for no reason. They keep describing a dome made of ice, but when I did the chant with the standard foci, nothing happened! This is just a childish waste of time!"

Others may accuse us of trying to corrupt or subvert their culture. "The sea-captain is described as smart in one passage, but then curses the gods short after! And he is shown to succeed in finding his quarry! We can't let our youth read this tripe!" Or "The only good character of any integrity ends up killing himself, for no reason other than his god finally gracing him its presence. The criminal, on the other hand, gets away scott free because he's too cool to serve his time and is made out like an infallible saint. Talk about edgy".

cont'd.

This thread devolved into off topic arguments and pointless discussions. Ah, 4chan how I love thee

>>51197707
Its just one kid who hates himself so much the very idea of positive traits being shown in other people sends him into a rabid spiral of self loathing.
I wouldn't take it too seriously.

>>51197683
Leave if you won't contribute faggot, or stay and do nothing but scream at us and call us retarded honestly I don't care.

>>51197654
>Drawing a distinction between "Earthling" and "human" in this case is pure pedantry, and you know it.

Hardly, especially because the Red Martians are not all that dissimilar from Humans.

>the rest of your post, where you still miss the fucking point

The point is that he's not a hero just because he's human. Just about any other human in his situation wouldn't have lasted a day on Mars either.

Please, debating with a guy who sees the world in HFY is tedious as fuck, because half the discussion is just opening your eyes to everything you've closed off.

>>51197701
Thanks for trying to keep the thread on track, friend.

>>51197740
Calling your shit shit is contributing.
If you just want a circlejerk, you can find your way to Reddit, you faggot.

>>51197731
I love humans, that's why I hate HFY.

>>51197701

Both would probably find us to be unnerving in person. At least, us talking about our favorite stories or artworks would seem "autistic" or spooky, as we'd be discussing meaning that is hidden or nonsensical to them. They may also be constantly wondering what secret meanings and riddles we read into their words and actions. "Why are you asking about how my relatives are doing? You're not doing any of that weird metaphor stuff with this info are you?! Get away from me and stay away from my family!"

Naturally, some would come to believe that our artistry indicates that we have a special type of magic that is even more magical than their magic. This, and all of the other dumb ideas about us would probably diminish over several alien generations, as they grow more accustomed to our magic-less way of thinking. There'd still be aliens that think our arts and sciences are "special" somehow, and others that think we're trying to destroy their society from within.

Is anyone reading this? I admit it's not formatted very well, and all I see in this thread is arguing. I'll stop for now, but if anyone else wants to build on this, I'd love to see their take.

>>51197752
>>51197762
Then leave, if you don't like the thread then just fucking leave. The only thing keeping you here is yourself.

>>51197781
I'm reading this, it's good, formatted decently, and keeping with the topic.

>>51197801
If you don't like people telling you that your shit is crap, go back to your little cyst on Reddit and fester there.

Leave. The only thing keeping you here is yourself.

>>51197823
I'm fine with people sharing opinions, but when people suck the fun out of everything, they can stay if they want, but do more that say shit like "your opinion is retarded and so are you" stay for all I care, just contribute without calling everything out.

I think my favorite HFY works are the ones that make an effort to establish how aggressive humans are compared to alien species.

One angle I don't think I've seen in a HFY story so far is a particular quirk of human negotiation where sides only negotiate fairly if their power is relatively equal. For example, no matter how correct, morally scientifically or otherwise, the Democratic Republic of Congo might be about an issue, there's no way they could negotiate with, say, the USA to do anything.

Imagine then an alien species that throughout its history and rise to spacefaring, has always tried to follow logic and morality. Even a side with overwhelming power advantage, like a government, would and could cave to arguments. You'd have a people who were used to peaceful conflict and debate.

Now imagine those people trying to wrap their head around Humanity, who would initially play nice, but as soon as they realized they were militarily stronger, would start up with demands and "play hard-ball" in negotiations. Standing firm on an unreasonable position due to military strength would be something that would utterly blow the alien's minds.

Alas, I don't have the time to put such an idea together into a story.

>>51197823
But the main thing people are bitching about isn't even in the topic, they dislike humans-are-space-marines hfy and I'll be honest I hate it too, but this isn't that, at least bitch about how the current topic is stupid.

>>51197905
I'd make a good one if some writefags were to come across this

>>51197881
If telling you that your writing prompt is tired and idiotic, and explaining to you why its tired and idiotic offends you, then fuck off.

Seriously. HFY has always been idiotic wank, and it's been explained hundreds of times to you idiots. Just about every single HFY thread has people explaining why not only does this stupid shit not belong on a traditional games board, but how it is a stupid writing prompt from every facet of people trying to defend it.

It produces shitty stories from a handful of depleted templates, the stories have absolutely no depth because the conclusion is drawn before any questions are asked, the people attracted to the idea of "Humans must win" are some of the worst examples of humanity and hardly the kind of people anyone would ask to represent or define it, and for all the years that HFY has been around, it's only produced garbage that only HFY fags who are deep in the sunk-cost fallacy of trying to make it some sort of theme or genre would ever give a shit about.

That's why your shit stinks.

So, quit advertising your poorly written trash, go crawl back into your little pity party and get your back patted over in Reddit, and quit acting like your shit don't stink.

>>51197743
>Please, debating with a guy who sees the world in HFY

Okay, so this immediately raises two questions:

1) Why are you here, then? If you find it tedious, then surely there's some other thread somewhere else in the vast morass that is 4chan that you could actually have fun in. Are you deliberately trying to bore yourself or something?

2) You missed the entire content of my first post, didn't you? I think it would take a very, very broad definition of HFY to say that I "see the world in HFY", particularly since the first three-quarters of said post was basically saying exactly what other HFY detractors in this thread have said, just in a less confrontational tone (i.e., pointing out the Star Trek meets HFY's mission statement of "humans aren't incredibly outmatched by other races and only win by the skin of their teeth").

>>51197743
>especially because the Red Martians are not all that dissimilar from Humans.

Y'know, aside from the fact that they lay eggs - this quite aside from what is certainly a profoundly different internal anatomy. But sure, let's focus entirely on how they broadly look and act human.

>The point is that he's not a hero just because he's human

Yes he is. Because he wouldn't have lasted a day on Mars if he didn't have the superpowers, and he only has the superpowers because he's human. Yes, a kangaroo would have also gained the superpowers, but a kangaroo is unlikely to become friends with Tars Tarkas, rescue Dejah, and take any real part in the final events of the war between Helium and Zodanga.

>Just about any other human in his situation wouldn't have lasted a day on Mars either.

That's not the point. The question isn't whether or not any other human could have done what Carter did, it's whether or not any Martian was capable of it. They weren't, for various reasons (among which were the fact that this was an 1800s novel, everyone except the protagonist is always ineffectual at best)

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>>51197750
Thanks for showing appreciation. I'm trying to stimulate some brainstorming. If the thread's up tomorrow, I'll add more myself.

I'm working toward an academic career, but I'm a STEMfag. It'd be cool if someone with an education in philosophy, art, or art history could build on this.


Another take I had in mind would be to have us humans spread throughout the setting posing(?) as poets, scholars, philosophers, and scientists who are apparently only interested in learning and teaching. These agents of humanity would all be in contact with each other as spies and clever manipulators trying to preserve and protect humankind amongst much older and stronger races. Kind of like pic related. Maybe there could be two factions, with one emphasizing the advancement of humanity, and the other emphasizing the academic and knowledge-gathering process. The spies/scholars in this network would also have to work through the cultural hurdles, as it would be comprised of humans from all over the world, each bringing their unique take on things. Maybe some of the agents are primarily soldiers who know enough to maintain a cover, while others are actual scholars who chose a dangerous field of research and teaching.

Either this or the outline in my other posts are fertile grounds for discussion, I think.

The interesting thing about humans is that they have twin minds, where the half that can't control the mouth is enslaved to the other half that can speak. The vast majority of the population, even though they have been educated on brain hemispheres, are unaware that the submissive half of their brain has its own thoughts and opinions - which can only be expressed if the brains are separated by surgery (in which case it can use its now independent control of its arm to write, draw, and point).

If they ever meet any species with only one mind in their respective bodies, they might need some explaining as to why human civilization has a 50% enslavement rate.

>>51196013
"Magic is just science we don't understand yet."

>every race in the galaxy has a god to grant them great magical power
>except humanity
>humanity murdered their gods with fire, steel, and non-belief millenia ago
>since then they have been scraping by with what they could figure out themselves, calling it 'science'
>humans hit space, meet the magical races, and everyone has a collective moment of 'oh fuck what'
>some of the space wizards don't like humanity and try to murder them for being magic-less abominations
>humans get their shit pushed in at first, but learn very quickly and figure out counters and defenses and start turning the tides
>everyone is like 'wtf how are these godless heathens beating wizards'
>humans slowly learn magic through study, theft, and ingenuity, though their form and methods are crude and unelegant
>now everyone is worried
>peace talks
>humanity becomes the first race to gain it's foothold on the galactic stage with no gods to help it

>>51197971
I didn't realise we were being graced by a perfectly carved Adonis with an IQ over 200.
Let us all bow in the presence of your majesty.

Your entre argument is "it sucks. I hate it. Its dumb." and now you have added "You're all ugly." to the mix.
You have some fairly warped preconceptions about the whole thing coming in, and seem to be very determined to stop around like a child until you get your way.

How about instead of saying "Its dumb and I hate it because its dumb and you're dumb" over and over again, you tell us what you would rather see written?
Be constructive for once in your life.

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>>51196344
>TFW you will never have a kinky air elemental waifu that loves public sex
feels bad man

>>51198056
>Y'know, aside from the fact that they lay eggs - this quite aside from what is certainly a profoundly different internal anatomy. But sure, let's focus entirely on how they broadly look and act human.

How did I know you were going to miss the point again, you retard.

Unlike the Green Martians, the red are not as completely alien in regards to their mentality from humans. The key idea to take away is that John's courage and resourcefulness are not unique to humans, and those were by far and large what made him a hero, far beyond his physical abilities.

Quit focusing on something as superficial as Red Martians laying eggs.

>Yes, a kangaroo would have also gained the superpowers,

So stop being stupid already. His physical abilities were more of an attribute of him being an Earthling, rather than him being human. And yes, a kangaroo could not have made friends, but another martian could have.

What makes John Carpenter special is not him being human. What made him physically special was that he was from earth, but far more important than that was his bravery, decisiveness, morality and loyalty, all of which could be found in uncommon amounts in John Carter, human or otherwise, yet are not exclusively human traits. In fact, many Martians showed these traits in uncommon amounts as well.

>1) Why are you here, then?

To illustrate how stupid HFY is, how stupid it makes people, and how it distorts stories and characters into pale shadows of what they really are.

To hear it from you, John Carpenter is the story of how awesome humans are and how sucky Martians are.

>>51198092
>Your entre argument is "it sucks. I hate it. Its dumb."

>"I can't actually argue, so let me try to ignore your argument and create a strawman summary"

If you're going to be stupid, that's fine, but if you're going to be stupid and spam your wank while trying to awkwardly attempt to defend it from all criticism, do that on Reddit.

>>51196253
And your wealth of intelligence is contributing so much, piss off shitbag.

>>51198236
But do you realize people don't want to argue wih you and you don't have more authority over them than they have over you ?
Unless you own 4chan and add a rule forbidding HFY, of course.

>>51197707
This guy comes into every HFY thread to shit it up. We don't know why he's so easily triggered but it's best to ignore him.

>>51198267
Do you realize that you're still trying to defend HFY as anything other than garbage? If you don't want to argue, just return to Reddit, because people are going to call HFY trash forever, because it will BE trash forever.

>Unless you own 4chan and add a rule forbidding HFY, of course.

How about the obvious one where /tg/ is supposed to be for traditional games. This is at best only tangentially related, and more importantly also falls into the category of shitty spam and advertising.

>>51198294
He hates himself and hates the idea of anything positive about humanity as a whole.
Its pretty sad.

>>51198294
It's a lot more pathetic than having bad taste.

>>51198294
>thinking it's just one guy

People are going to complain about HFY forever, because it's a shitty writing prompt, and all it seems to ever produce are really terrible stories.

That, and it's basically a private little club for a group of circle-jerkers, because you need some pathetically low standards to enjoy the shit that came out of these threads.

If you're waiting for the day that you can make threads about how amazing your human fanfiction is without people calling you out on how shit it is, you're better off just returning to Reddit and dismissing that fantasy.

HFY is a response to the "humans are the problem / the true monster / the real alien" sci-fi that was prevalent throughout the '00s. It's a response to District 9, Avatar, The Day The Earth Stood Still remake, the King Kong remake, the Planet of the Apes remake and then the "X of" the Planet of the Apes films, etcetera.

There's been a period of sci-fi that has been painting humanity as the villain or the real problem, or that outright ignore the reasons that humanity has to act the way it does. HFY is a response to that, just like the recent surge in right-wing populism is a response to the heavy pushing of identity politics over the past two decades.

>>51198313
>wanking to humans triumphing over enemies invented for them to triumph over

Oh, how fucking positive.
And you've got the gall to try and say what's sad.

>>51198346
>>51198363
It's so sad to see someone hate themselves and their species so much.

Do you enjoy being angry? Do you enjoy telling others to stop having badwrongfun?

>>51198363
You are incredibly sad.
I asked you to give an example of what you would prefer to see, to be constructive, and you couldn't even do that.
All you know how to do is tear down others and sulk in your own negativity and hate.
You are a tragic creature. I pity you.

>>51198209
Okay, at first I thought it was a typo so I was willing to let it slide, but I'm really gonna have to ask about the "John Carpenter" thing now, since you did it multiple times in that post.

>The key idea to take away is that John's courage and resourcefulness are not unique to humans

Returning to the point, however, most HFY does not posit that non-human races lack positive qualities, but rather than humans possess them in great excess (and these are frequently psychological rather than physical). HFY is about, what was the phrasing again, writing stories where "humans aren't incredibly outmatched by other races and only win by the skin of their teeth".

John Carter of Mars meets that prerequisite - certainly there have been HFY pieces that have only had a single human appearing in them, for example, but are still considered HFY, so a lack of multiple humans in the John Carter series is no disqualification in and of itself.

John Carter is a "Mighty Whitey" protagonist, just on Mars rather than somewhere on Earth. The "Mighty Whitey" archetype is basically a predecessor to HFY - "WHITE FUCK YEAH", if you will. Carter is not materially different from Burrough's more popular Tarzan in that respect, or from other 1800s/1900s Mighty Whitey heroes like Dick Lestrange, Allan Quatermain, Lord Roxton, and so on.

>>51198363
Might as well call out all of literature, then.
At some level, every antagonist is designed by the author to be defeated by the protagonist.

>>51198361
>HFY is a response to the "humans are the problem / the true monster / the real alien" sci-fi that was prevalent throughout the '00s.

Prevalent? You hit a few examples, and all of those could be said to be counters to other films made during the same time.

HFY was made without any real purpose, because the people who started it just felt bad that humanity didn't win ALL the time, rather than just the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the time.

More importantly, you need to be a retard to interpret those films as "humanity is the problem" rather than "Greed is the problem" or "being unwilling to try to understand each other is the problem", or even "humans thinking they're superior purely because they're humans is the problem."

It's amusing how that last one flies over your thick skulls.

>>51198405
Not to the level where the primary goal in the story is to have the antagonist defeated.

>>51198393
>I asked you to give an example of what you would prefer to see

You fucking off.

>>51193754
>implying there's a difference between technology and magic
it's just using and abusing natural law to powergame your way to prosperity. there's no real difference between a flamethrower and a flame wand.

but yeah gimme' some good writing and worldbuilding and I could stomach some of that shit. I love me some first contact stories, especially when you've got to puzzle out how the other side does things.

>>51198416
Anon, the primary goal of every story IS the resolution of the/a conflict, which generally includes defeating the antagonist defeated in some form or fashion.

>>51198406
Come up with a list of sci-fi films in the '00s that have humanity win or show humans to be the morally superior species and I'll come up with a greater number of sci-fi films from the '00s that depict humanity (or the majority of humanity) as monsters or morally inferior.

Go right ahead. And try to give more than "a few examples."

>"Greed is the problem" or "being unwilling to try to understand each other is the problem", or even "humans thinking they're superior purely because they're humans is the problem."
Most of the films mentioned apply these faults to the majority of, if not all non-protagonist humans. Humans are bad because they are greedy, unwilling to understand each other or have supremacist beliefs.

>>51198438
>Anon, the primary goal of every story IS the resolution of the/a conflict,

Can you put on a trip? You're clearly an idiot, and it's a waste of time explaining things to use like the myriad of goals in writing.

How the fuck can you even try to discuss writing if you think every story's goal is just to have the story be finished.

Fuck, try exploring an idea once in your life, you fucktard.

>>51198482
Anon, I know you wasted a lot of money on your English Lit degree, but a vast majority of stories are, at their core, based around the resolution of a conflict.

They can go about that in a lot of ways, they can add in lots of stuff in addition to that, they can preach morals or themes or share ideas or everything else, but at the end of the day a story needs to end.

I'd go so far as to day that every story has only two goals; reach a satisfactory conclusion by the author's standards, and to tell a good story on the way to the end.

>Fuck, try exploring an idea once in your life, you fucktard.
Implication that everyone who disagrees with you is a small-minded simpleton is a sign of narcissism and/or unfounded personal superiority, anon.
You could try not being angry.

>>51198475
Holy shit, HFY-vision makes people a special kind of retarded.

>Come up with a list of sci-fi films in the '00s that have humanity win or show humans to be the morally superior species

You even named some of them.

All the films present some humans being shown in a positive light. I know you want to turn everything into a dick-measuring contest, but the bottom line is that you are actually trying to force some kind of bizarre generalism that ignores any nuances of the films and more importantly tries to group all of humanity as a single entity.

>Humans are bad because they are greedy, unwilling to understand each other or have supremacist beliefs.

Some humans are bad. Not all of them, and more importantly it's usually clearly shown which people are primarily responsible. Hell, in Avatar they hamfisted this point so hard that you basically had two characters embody all the evil of humanity, while you had several human characters being nothing but bundles of virtues.

Your HFY-vision makes you miss most of a story because you're compelled to only treat it like a TEAM HUMANS VS. TEAM ALIENS vollleyball match, except you're only tallying points when they fall into your narrow narrative.

>>51198535
>oh fuck, you're right, I said something stupid
>but let me keep talking and, oh shit, now I'm saying more stupid shit
>please, stop me before I dig my hole deeper

Stop. You started arguing from the wrong angle, and now you're just sort of flailing around, saying things that I hope you'll go back to some day in order to realize just how stupid you are right now.

>I'd go so far as to day that every story has only two goals; reach a satisfactory conclusion by the author's standards, and to tell a good story on the way to the end.

Like, the fuck are you even trying to say.
Your "goals" are basically meaningless "a story needs to end and be good."
What a brilliant fucking epiphany, that right there.

>>51198638
Anon, I honestly expect this kind of behavior on /b/ or /pol/, but do try to hold yourself to a higher standard of public discourse.

>>51198660
>dude, quit wrecking me

Don't set yourself up to be so easily wrecked then.

Like, fuck. You have said some genuinely stupid things, and then acted like you're delivering unseen truths.

>having another fucking tech vs fantasy setting
>not having a science fantasy setting
>not having humanity rediscover old lost secrets and mixing them with modern knowledge to create cool shit

get some good taste guys

>>51198685
>If I say things, they're true
It seems we're both guilty then, anon :^)

But go on, tell me, what is the purpose of a story?
Or better yet, the primary purposes of a story, if there are multiple. You don't need to explain them in depth, just a quick description of each.

>>51198599
And those humans are pointed out to be the exception rather than the majority, who are shown to be greedy, self-interested, opportunistic and amoral, as if being a good person is anomalous among humans, whereas you have other species that are entirely good by their nature.

>>51198726
I told you, you're clearly an idiot and not worth arguing with. You're not even asking the right question, you absolute moron.

As a last favor to you, here's what you were missing.
Try "What are some possible purposes of a story?" first.

>>51198685
Anon, your premise was that one of HFY's problems was that they tend to center on the idea that an antagonist needs to be defeated: >>51198416

While you're nominally right that not EVERY story has an antagonist that needs to be defeated, it's certainly true for the vast majority of them. I'll wager any amount of money you like that for every one story you can successfully name that doesn't have a verifiable antagonist, I can name five that do.

You also misinterpreted what the other Anon said about conflict. Namely: Every story is about attempting to resolve a conflict of some variety. That does not mean that every story's goal is to "end". "Resolution of conflict" and "end" are not the same things in literary terms. Which is something you should know.

You have actually, demonstrably reached the "ranting incoherently" phase of your time here. I don't know what time it is where you are, but I suspect it's late. It's time to go to sleep.

Make sure to post a snide response using greentext to state things I didn't say in the most banal way possible in order to build up your own ego and create your own strawmen to argue against before you do, though. You're on a roll, it would be a shame to break it.

>>51198772
>"You called me out on my bluff and I can't bullshit my way out"

Good night, anon. I hope you can deal with your anger.

>>51195186
That's... kind of dumb. I mean that's like saying photosynthesis wouldn't work in an anti-magic field because it works off quantum mechanics.

>>51198813
Actually going to sleep is a good idea, I'm going to take my own advice now. But before I do:

HFY WRITING PROMPT/CHALLENGE
Write a short story (~5,000 words) about a human and an alien interacting in a normal environment (at work, at a bar, etc) and just shootin' the breeze with each other.

>>51198759
Your HFY-goggles must be cutting off the circulation to your brain.

You're still trying to play your volleyball game, ignoring any narrative outside of "LOOK HOW BAD THEY'RE MAKING HUMANS LOOK BECAUSE A HUMAN IS THE VILLAIN!!!"

None of the movies you listed match your narrative. None of them condemn humanity. Even the ones that show the nastier sides of humanity don't condemn it.

More importantly, none of the movies try to say "Humans fail because they are humans, aliens succeed because they are aliens." They highlight failings, show measures of progress, and exalt societies, not species.

Seriously, you really need to stop trying to look at films through your HFY lenses. They are legitimately making you stupid.

Hell, one of the movies you're talking about is a reskinned Dances with Wolves.

>>51194325
>>51194993
Why not kill yourselves, then, you pathetic hypocritical ingrates? Fuck off to lefty to fellate your guilt complexes.

>>51198813
Holy shit, shut up.

I don't even understand how you've managed to miss the point so hard. I mean, I get it, you're hoping to find anything to argue about, but you've gone so far from the central point just to talk that I don't even understand how you expect anyone to ever listen to you.

Key is that anon is pretty far off fucking base if he thinks that every story is written with the author sitting down and thinking "how do I write an alien species that humans can defeat."

You can try to talk people's ears off with all your sidetracking, but holy shit you are actually saying things that are even dumber than what that anon said in your efforts to try and sound smart.

>using greentext to state things I didn't say in the most banal way possible

Why would I ever do that, when I can just quote you for the most banal quotes imaginable.

>>51198930
>disliking bad writing is a guilt complex
bad execution is bad execution. most HFY is poorly made.

>>51198973
>the concept itself is objectively bad because I say so
>>>/leftypol/
Any time now. It's waiting for you. Also >>>/suicide/

>>51199071
I didn't say that. Well written HFY is good, but few and far between.

I want anti-hyf anon to leave. Make your own thread to discuss why it's a bad writing prompt in your opinion.

Like dude walk away, noone wants you here.

>>51198973
All HFY is poorly made. Rotten cores, but I guess worms might find those attractive.

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>>51199071
>>51198930
I'm sorry, I forget that humans are the poor, unprivileged species that never get the spotlight in sci-fi and fantasy and are always chaotic evil. You're doing God's work making humans the protagonists of speculative fiction for the first time in human history, after all that modern hippie eco-shit like Wall-E and the Hobbit bullshit in the LOTR!

>179 posts
>34 original posters
Even the CYOA thread is better than this circlejerk.

>>51199175
Like half of those posts are just the arguments at this point.

>>51199191
They should have dumped or written good stories instead of arguing with serial shitpsoters.

HFY, when you have no accomplishments or redeeming features of your own, so instead you try pretending you're badass simply because of the species you happen to belong to.

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HFY is, in part, a response to the position of Humanity in many many many /tg/ games. Sci-Fi and Fantasy games have the tendency to use Human as a default and then style their races as "Human + all this cool shit I thought of". Despite this, Humanity nearly always occupies a position of power, sometimes even THE position of power. Why is that? HFY imagines why.

Look at DND. The races have all these powers, super extended lifespans, and humans are just a boring piece of shit by comparison in pretty much every edition of DND except the very first one (back then, races were done like classes). It calls out for reasoning why Humanity manages to prevail in the setting. Stories of humans smirking at elves for thinking themselves superior when it takes them 100 years to reach the same level of wizardry skill that a human could obtain in 1 year. Why can a Human do that? HFY.

40k is a great example, which maybe captures HFY right in the setting details. You get your space elves with their super psionic powers and near-magic levels of technology and also they totally used to rule everything, they swear. Necrons with almost silly levels of lore-power albeit inconsistently described thanks to how schizophrenic the lore is due to being written by so many different people. Tyrannids are super alien hivemind locusts of doom devouring all life. Chaos in general. Hell, even baby Tau empire quickly passed humanity in tech. But who is Number One in the setting? Why its the motherfucking Imperium of Mankind baby. Humans keep on trucking!

To be honest, Astra Militarium stories are my favorite ones, just ordinary soldiers getting thrashing and not always winning but giving a good showing against often superior opponents. I always get annoyed when the author's pet officer character inevitably starts Mary Sue-ing tanks in half and dueling CSM...

Anyways I digress. HFY developed out of those unique and undeniably /tg/-related things, plus related material.

>>51194575
>Anti-Magic fields go from being super deadly space mines to a weapon against all other races
Oh fuck that's a good one. I wouldn't want to be the alien fleet admiral that was the first to go up against human ships with anti-magic generators.

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>>51195692
Considering how much drone warfare is continuing to remove soldiers from combat, I'd wonder how many actual human soldiers there would be on these future battlefields. I'm thinking humanity sends their own armies of robots against magic automatons. Boston Dynamics Big Dogs with .50 cals on their backs.

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You are incorrect. Leave, please, you're not contributing.

>>51198086
>humans slowly learn magic through study, theft, and ingenuity, though their form and methods are crude and unelegant
I think you underestimate how refined the scientific method has made many processes throughout human history. I can see humans taking to magic extremely well and pushing it to all it's testable and measurable limits.

>>51198971
> "how do I write an alien species that humans can defeat."
This seems like a reasonable goal to me. Not all players want to lose.

>>51199786
>Look at DND

Where they're the most popular race as well as one of the strongest in every edition?

>It calls out for reasoning why Humanity manages to prevail in the setting.

No, it really doesn't. Humans breed and mature quickly, and their level of dominion varies depending on the setting. And nothing about humans is boring in D&D, unless you think humans in reality are boring.

>40k is a great example, which maybe captures HFY right in the setting details.

Humans aren't #1 in the setting. They're just the most popular faction They are far from being the strongest or being in charge, and they solve most problems with Pyrrhic victories they afford by being the rats of the setting. If anything, 40k hates humanity, because it would have to hate any species it throws into its grimdark silliness.

>Anyways I digress. HFY developed out of those unique and undeniably /tg/-related things, plus related material.

HFY "developed" out of nothing (and never developed into anything), and ultimately is nothing except people taking their preference for the human race to a ridiculous level. And, it is now so far removed from anything /tg/ that you can't even argue that just because it was posted here in the past that it still belongs here.

No games are discussed, and the discussion is completely alien to any game, and includes such gross mistatements like "humans are boring in D&D" (when they have plenty of interesting options and have always been the most popular race, and include some of the more popular characters) or that 40k exists to stroke humanity's cock by subjecting humanity to a sadistic galaxy that forces them to cling to an existence that could be erased in a heartbeat.

The whole vision of this thread was to game some fun with hfy, then some fuckers decided to plant the "no fun allowed" flag and told us we can't enjoy something.

>>51202514
>OP presents an idea they find fresh and original
>someone finds it dull, unoriginal and shit
>they argue
>standard HFY thread ensues, with all the standard shit arguments

>>51204606
Such is life on /tg/

>>51201853
>>51204606
I hate you shitposters. I just want to enjoy some feelgood stories about humanity's dominance, but no.

>>51195512
>Normally spells are fired off at enemy ships
>Humanity simply has fires railguns loaded with metal pellets at ~20 % the speed of light over a large area of space fucking everything up because they simply protect themselves against magic.
>Space dominance -> Win the war

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>>51196344
IT SEEMS I NOW HAVE A STIFF BREEZE!

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>>51196314
You have to teach them about how to express their love in a safe manner

>>51195379
Miracles /= magic

>>51193754
So basically, humans have to hitchhike on alien cheat mobiles for interstellar and practical interplanetary travel, but otherwise have a more sustainable way of life?

>>51199175

Excellent work, anon! Those arguments are unstoppable! Soon, there won't be any threads on /tg/ at all!

Joking aside, he's *technically* right about one thing: What does this have to do with traditional games?

I mean, yeah, it's a discussion on how humans can interact with fictional races, and fictional races are a staple of tabletop games, but it's only tangentially related.

What I'm trying to say here is that you guys won't be anon for long at this rate.

Sooooo imperium from anima?

>>51200157
what is that comic, again ? the one where she "go to heaven with violence" or something ?

>>51198309
>advertising
go to the drawthread and say that

after all, that's just tasteless trash too

>>51198363
Low energy, very sad!

>>51198406
>More importantly, you need to be a retard to interpret those films as "humanity is the problem" rather than "Greed is the problem" or "being unwilling to try to understand each other is the problem", or even "humans thinking they're superior purely because they're humans is the problem."

t. leftist

"Greed" and "Superiority" built the society you parasites sponge off