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Xth for Necrons are a best

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Blood for the Blood God!

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>>51186919

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Nth for Macklemore reborn as a LEVIATHAN DREADNOUGHT.

>>51186937
Sooo~ fuzzy :333

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>Orks are a melee race
>I2

>>51186937
BROTHER SHALL WE GO SHOPPING FOR CHEAP CLOTHES

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>Tau are a shooting race
>BS 3

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If wanted to make an undivided chaos chapter what would be the best rules set to use for them? Crimson slaughter?

>>51186159 #
Might pick up Cawl tomorrow, going in to the GW. If hes not sold out, of course.

I plan on the Knight Warden so I can benefit from Cawl's BS buffs as well as smack stuff with S:D. The local Tau player is prone to overhyping his Stormsurge, and the only time I fought him was when I was an even more massive newb (~4 games under my belt, if that) and REALLY couldn't deal with Stormsurge+ Riptide at 1200. Now I have Sicarians and Dragoons, I plan to target his Drone Net first since I didn't know how to do that. I have the feeling he's not actually very good, he just stood there, shot and jumped out of Grav LoS.

>>51187010
Word Bearers if you like to summon

>>51187010
CSM base, Black Legion, or Word Bearers

>marines are a fighting army
>ws4

>>51187006
Yes but they can boost their BS

>>51187034
> Khorne Berserkers are a melee unit
> a1

Are renegades and heretics still good?
I'm planning on running a R&H army allied with chaos space marines, taking a chaos lord and noise marines, and having a tank-heavy R&H list with a baneblade and a shit ton of rusty lemons.

>>51186981
A plasma cannon, plasma gun, two TL heavy bolters and two missile launchers is a lot of guns.

Too bad it can only fire two of them at once without snap-firing!

>>51187046
:(

>>51187047
They are still cheap meat, steel and artillery.

>>51187041
What if... Orks a WAAGH lights that could boost their initiative?

>>51187034
They aren't. They're jack of all trades / generalists

>It's why they're mediocre at everything and only saved from being trash tier by an op gun family and formations out the ass

>>51186967
> CRISIS SUITS ARE BETTER THAN NOBZ IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY
> 22 ppm
> 3+
> RELENTLESS
> BS3
> Ld9
> A2
> 3 melee options
> I2

Odd question but does anyone happen to know if there are enough chainswords and CCWs in the Tac marine box to kit out the whole squad?
t. prospective Carcharodons player

>>51187080
Nobs have 3A

>>51187021
I went into GW today specifically to get the manager to keep a copy of FoC and the Triumvirate behind the counter for me.

>>51186967
Is there more of theses?

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>>51187056
>Orks have infinite numbers!
>No respawning troops formation

>But imperium gets one :^)

>>51187070
Good.
Is it shitty of me to convert a command squad from IG, and use chaos cultists as infantry since it's leagues cheaper?

>>51187095
Not even close.

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>>51187078
gotcha, was biting the bait part of your plan?

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>>51187101
Two more

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>>51186920

The close combat ability is why I enjoy the Morkanaut personally.

That and the KFF umbrella.

Though really I'd like to know the rationale behind it's design and point cost.

Also, are any of the Orkanauts even used in the studio battlereports featured in White Dwarf?

I only ever recall two instances, one of which was seven Imperial Knights against one Morkanaut, two Gorkanauts, one Stompa, five Killa Kans and three Deff Dreads.

>>51187080
>NOT LISTING THE BEST THING ABOUT CRISIS SUITS. THEIR MOTHERFLAPPING JETPACK MOVE. YOU MOVE 6" SHOOT YOUR LOAD AND THEN JUMP OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF MIND. LEAVING YOUR ENEMIES REELING AND UNABLE TO RETALIATE. RINSE AND REPEAT

>>51187095
It only comes with ONE chainsword

Buying bolter chainsaw bayonets from Anvil Industries is your best option. Yes, these fit on bolters. Yes they fit over the marine's hand, OR under, depending on how you model them.

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Ammo/chainsaw-bayonets

>>51187021
Stormsurge @ 1200pts? Pretty dick move.

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cats for the kitty god

>>51186937
Nice recast

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>>51187123
Accurate in-game recording of a guardsman beating an Ork boy in combat

>>51187099
Didn't have the opportunity to do that, it's a while away by car. Only really want the Triumvirate, since there's literally nothing in there besides Cawl I want. If Geedubs want my money they'll have to make a book with more than two helpful pages in it ;)

>>51187080
nobz are A3 and I3 but aren't crysis suits S5?

What the fuck are orks even supposed to do against things like screamer star or stormsurges? Its like a completely different game.

>>51187113
>>51187154
Well damn. The bayonets don't look half bad though. I'll see if I can find a CSM player to donate some knives to me, otherwise I'll give Anvil a shot, thanks a bunch!

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>>51187194
Cheat.

No one plays Orks so it's pretty easy to lie about the points costs of things.

>>51187194
Just represent your Ork Nobz using Codex: Tau Empire. The rules for Crisis Suits are better for representing the awesome melee power of Nobz, since your guys should totally be able to leap around the battlefield like a motherfucker. Plus having 3+ armour is really nice.

>>51187194
>screamer star
Check what year it is, because Screamer Star hasn't been a threat in years

>>51187109
Nope.
Depends on how you use the units though.
For the bs 2 millitia/rabble they are fine.
I'd say if you buy armour and BS upgrades you should use more soldierly types.

>>51187225
Use space 0din's dex.
>>51187237
They're infantry, why would I bother with BS and armor upgrades when I could spend that on getting a shit ton more heretics?

>>51187155
Yeah, I didn't know that at the time and I didn't know how to deal with it. I should have closed in, got mixed up in the terrain and shot down the marker drones. Instead I sat around taking potshots and died.

I did at least manage to kill the Riptide. Now I have actual fast melee units and psykers from the Inquisition, so I might bring Coteaz.

>>51187225
I sometimes bring almost 25% more points than I should to a game with my orks. I even win like that sometimes if the army im fighting is pretty casual

>>51187144
But nobs can buy bikes.
Totally worth over twice the price for... 4+ and a... burst cannon.

>>51187194

>stormsurges

Bikers and Mek Gunz maybe?

I think the Stormsurge can also be tank shocked off the board, but I don't think most people bother with the Anchors.

>>51186972
I SHALL POP SOME TAGS, I ONLY HAVE TWENTY THRONES IN MY POSSESSION

>>51187235
have you been living under a rock? Screamer star is back and better than ever

>>51187158
If the fuckers release Exodite Eldars before updating their model range I'm going to be rather upset

They are still selling 2ed edition for fuck sake. Some armies still do not have basic troops in plastic, other have a decade old plastic kits.

It is nice and all but for bloody sake update your shit. If you are selling old as fuck models at least make sell them cheaper

>>51187269
Come back when Nobz can shoot and then immediately do sick wheelies over all terrain.

>>51187194
Give yourself a 25% points handicap. If your opponent is taking a 2k list, you bring a 2.5k list. He won't even notice because your codex sucks that badly that he can and probably will table you regardless.

Alternatively....
> Space 0Din's glorious work
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20[Space%20Odin](2016).pdf?dl=0

Just use this. You might actually do kinda okay since your army gets buffed up enough to actually pose a credible threat. Make Nobz in a 'Naut put the FEAR OF GOD into large expensive units.

>>51187164
You know, aside from the fact that Orks are way too strong for this to work, that IS a proper CQC drill.

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Why do people bitch about Orks being bad? Of course they suck, they're supposed to be the weakest race in the setting.

If they never win in the fluff why should they win in the game?

>>51187305
>Fan codex

Im sure this will go over well at the GW I play at

New to tabletop wanna play orks what sets should i start with

>>51187158
>I was right and it was a gyrinx
cool

>>51187310
They're weedy boyz. Barely more than oversized grotz

>>51187328
The geedubs I go to gives precisely zero fucks. Our manager even hands out a binder with the space 0din dex to any ork player that asks for it.

>>51187335
4 boxes of bikers

>>51187311
thats a great way to sell models. Just make an army suck because thats how it should be :>)

>>51187310
an ork boy is S3, the same as a trained adult human.

>>51187348
That's one unit.

>>51187310
>Orks are way too strong for this to work
>S3
LOL

>>51187348
Boarboyz
>Snakebite Clan best clan

>>51187371
4 more boxes of bikers

>>51187367
Huh, thought they was S4. Wierd.

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>>51187398
Welcome to Orks

>>51187398
It's okay! Because when they lose a morale check, they get really fired up, and attack their own unit at Strength 4. ^_^

>>51187398
Why would they be strength 4? thats the same as genetically engineered fighting machines

>>51187310

They should be.

They're described as being in the lore.

But they aren't on the table.

Nevermind the fact they're hulking monsters of sinew.

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>>51187408
>they get really fired up
I still remember that fucking FAQ

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>>51187415
Is the joke that orks are also genetically engineered fighting machines?

>>51187444
Y, the joke is Orks

>>51187391
5.
That makes for 2 units and a biker hq or two

>>51187444
Yes, yes it was anon.

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I'm going to be building an Emperor class titan in a month or so, mostly to wave muh dick at the local club and watch everything it points at die. What are the best weapon choices for them? All the choices are so absurd I can't decide what is best.

Pic related, it will be a similar size to this, probably a bit bigger, with the whole cathedral of guns thing on its back.

>>51187456
Now get 4boxes of boyz

So i was watching duncan paint saint celestine and every time he touched the doves and they started to move i cringed a bit thinking they were about to snap off.

>>51187477
There are no rules for Imperators. Is it the Warlord you're looking for?

>>51187477
Give it like 300 lasguns on each arm. AND AFIX BAYONETS ON EACH.

>>51187477
Magnets. Anything bigger than a Chimera you magnetize. Don't choose.

>>51187514
Bigger than a terminator.

>>51187504
>600 s3 shots
You REALLY dont like Orks?

>>51187514
I don't really want to make more arms than I have to but yeah you are probably right.

>>51187504
https://1d4chan.org/images/d/da/61506986-Emperor-Battle-Titan-Datasheet-page-001.jpg

As far as I know these are still valid unless someone knows otherwise?

>>51187493
Thats why plastic is superior to resin or metal.
They'd snap, sag or deform before the primer dried.

>>51187564
Kek wrong one, I was trying to reply to
>>51187506

>>51187549
Bigger than a Power Armoured Space Marine

>>51187576
>36 hull points

A Warlord is 30, that's pitifully out of date and because of this, Haywire can still fuck it up.

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>>51186967
Break the wrist, walk away

>>51187594
>He doesn't magnetise his grots

Fucking plebs the lot of you.

>>51187632
>Implying anything would get close enough to that monster to be able to stick a grenade on it

>>51187576
Multiply Structure Points by 3 to get Hull Points.

Also it kinda sucks right now since it only has 36 hull points, and all of it's weapons are from like 3rd edition. It's vastly outgunned by a 2500 point Warlord Titan that has more armour. It also doesn't have the same 'mega superheavy' rules that the other titans get in their Horus Heresy 5 entry. So you're better off grabbing that book so you can use the most up-to-date rules for a Warlord.

>>51187646
>not magnetising the paint so you can change it
ISHYGDDT

Would the best possible way of action for humanity be to join the Tau Empire? Assuming everyone agreed of course. As it is now, that would be too unstable since literally millenia of indoctorination just cannot be undone like that right?

>>51187672
>say you join them
>murder them all
>tau are gone
>everyone wins

>>51187672
> EXTERMINATUS
SHIGGY DIGGY SHIGGY DIGGY SHIGGY DIGGY DO.

>>51187651
>He thinks Haywire only comes in grenade form.

For half the points of that monster I can make a list of Skitarii Vanguard with arc rifles and Cult Mech Breachers with heavy arc rifles that could wreck it in one turn.

>>51187672
>humanity
>join the Tau Empire
>the empire that is smaller than several other xenos empires in the fluff
>the empire that has no idea how large the Imperium is

>>51187672
>Indoctrination

It's called the Imperial Cult you fucking heretic. Please report to your nearest Commisar for uplifting.

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>>51187672

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>>51187672
Commissar,this is some sick-ass heresy

Not going to lie. I'm going to be pretty upset if they merge Deldar and Eldar together.

>>51187672
It's largely impossible to micromanage over a million world's, cultures only (temporarily) at peace because everything else is trying to murder them and with half of the worlds uninhabitable and half of them largely worthless and colonized out of spite toward their neighbours/the universe in general.

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>>51187760
Actually, the Tau Empire is among the biggest minor xenos empires. Heck, Imotekh's Sautekh dynasty is 580+ worlds and look how much ground he has. The Tau rule hundreds of world. That's a big chunk of the galaxy making them among the major powers in the galaxy.

Also the Tau are aware how large the Imperium is. They don't give a damn. Their belief in their manifest destiny is absolute. The Imperium will fall no m atter how large.

>>51187672
>leave the human-centric interstellar empire that actually understands the nature and scope of the threat of chaos
>join a xenos-centric interstellar empire that doesn't understand the nature and scope of the threat of chaos

this sure will end well

>>51187905
The higher ups seem to know about Chaos.

Also the Tau are nigh-invisible to daemons. Hiding among them is a good idea.

>>51187006
They could be BS2. Markerlights would still make up for it.

>>51187931
>Tau are nigh-invisible to daemons
that's fan fluff

really, really bad fan fluff

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Are single-unit drop pods a thing? I'm not talking about how a dreadnought can fit into a drop pod, but more of pic related, for a single Space Marine or some such.

>>51187265
>cheating vs casual armies

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Alright, so I'm debating between two options for a Black Templars army I'm starting.

The first is to technically run Exorcists to get Captain Silas as an HQ for super deny-the-witch and have a giant dude with a giant sword.

The second is to use the new Castellans formation for a respawning Black Tide, filling in the need for one allied unit with either a SoB Priest for something cheap, or some Bullgryn for a meaty slab-shieldwall.

Sadly I don't think I can mix the two, as only Black Templars special characters are on the Castellan list.

Any thoughts or alternative suggestions?

>>51187954
You call riptide wings and wraithknights a casual army?

>>51187949
Nope. That's fluff from the GW Inquisitor RPG game.

Tau are near-invisible to daemons. A daemon character has to role for awareness tests even if the Tau is in plain sight. If the daemon character fails, he fails to detect the Tau and acts that the Tau isn't there.

>>51187951

Eversors have them but not marines.

>>51187975
it's fluffy

>>51187951
not in the game but in the fluff I'm sure somebody thought of it once and decided it was a waste of reasources

>>51187941

Marker Lights become more fair if you make cover reduce BS because it becomes much harder to hit with the marker.

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>>51187965
MARINES MALEVOLENT

>>51187760

I think the Tau Empire is actually smaller than some Ork Domains are.

>>51187931

Except when those Daemons manifest, as a Daemonic Warband is said to have kidnapped several hundred Fire Warriors and chucked them into Nurgle's Garden.

>>51188009
that's fists yah dingus

>>51188029
Fists are shit
Templars are shit

Play marines malevolent for a REAL army.

>>51188021
>Except when those Daemons manifest

See

>>51187983

Near-invisible doesn't mean totally invisible. Even if the daemon manifests, it has a hard time detecting the Tau's presence.

What should I do for my Night Lords?

Murder Talon
CAD for FW toys
Use Legion Astartes rules

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Why are eversors best assassins? They can kill anything, hordes,characters, vechicles plus explode when they die. Getting one for my army in the near future.

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>>51187672
All issues of vile heresy aside, no. Doomed though the Imperium may be, it's stable enough not to collapse tomorrow. If the Imperial Cult were abandoned and the AdMech's stranglehold on technology broken, and all (over even some) of the several quadrillion brightly-souled humans suddenly started acting like the progressive, open-minded Tau, the Damocles Gulf would collapse into a Warp rift pretty much overnight. Joining the Tau would be one of the few things the Imperium could do to make its situation worse.

>>51188021
>Except when those Daemons manifest, as a Daemonic Warband is said to have kidnapped several hundred Fire Warriors and chucked them into Nurgle's Garden.
When was this?
What happened?

>>51187931
yea hiding is all good until suddenly daemons start spawning from unregulated human psykers because suddenly you have millions of humans sending off red signals in the middle of a bunch of nothing.

>>51188072
Google Loatheheart.

>>51188074
The Tau have had humans in their empire for like 300 years. Billions of them. Hive worlds have been conquered and assimilated by the Tau.

We have no single case of a major daemonic outbreak in the fluff. So it seems the Tau are good at hiding humans.

>>51188059
codex space marines

>>51187975
> I even win like that sometimes if the army im fighting is pretty casual

>>51188153

That's double heresy. Possibly even triple heresy.

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>>51188070
Then explain how a Tau Empire and Imperium alliance would be an unstoppable force in the galaxy.

>>51188171
because if humans had access to tau technology and were able to upgrade their production facilities they could make so many space marines they'd win

>>51188171
They put this wank everywhere.

In the Ork fluff there's two random fuckoff warbosses nobody gives a shit about, who if they united, could supposedly krump Abaddon and his whole crusade. Since they won't, it's a moot point.

>>51188171
Fool, that's an ALLIANCE, not the Imperium JOINING the Tau.

Fucking blueberry scum, assuming everything is join-or-die.

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Here the Tau water caste rules from the Inquisitor game. Read "Blunt".

Also note "Persuade". Remember when people bitched about how a water caste convinced an ultramarine not to shoot her? Well, it can be done in the game. Tau battle diplomacy is so effective!

>>51188148
Or cultists lay low until they gave enought worlds that they cannot be crushed singly, let tau spread themselves tinner and encompass more worlds, to drive an effective wedge between the front and the homeworlds, ideally when the Tau front is engaged with imperials.

>>51188171
Reading Mont'ka, it seemed like the Tau would actually be weakened by working with the Imperium, so pathetic was their showing. But looking at the sales text, it's alliance, not assimilation. If the two sides worked together, with the Imperium's bottomless resource base backed by Tau R&D, that would be nigh unstoppable. But both sides still have to act like themselves aside from cooperating as equals, or they start running into problems.

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>>51187311
>weakest bait
1/10 barely made reply I just wanted to use a bait image

>>51188009
>>51188029
>>51188053
I just posted the Vindicator because I had it lying around.

Regardless of whatever I paint them as though, I'm still going to go for BT tactics, since I've already flip-flopped way too many times.

>>51188248
>War is not a binary condition. Despite superficial appearances to the contrary it does not begin or end with a single discrete event. There may be catalysts and culminations, but their antecedents and consequences– cultural, material and even metaphysical– extend through times past and future like ripples in a river that flows two ways. Accordingly, the war between the Imperium and the Tau Empire did not begin and end with the Damocles Gulf Crusade. That conflict was the first great blossoming of our enmity and it will not be the last, but we have now entered a subtler phase of the game. Fifty years have passed since the crusade. Nothing has changed. Everything has changed.

>Here on the margins of the Damocles Gulf we are embroiled in a cold war, an intricate game of deceit, manipulation and coercion waged against a master player. It is a delicate struggle, but never make the mistake of thinking it any less inimical to the Imperium than the voracious depredations of the tyranids or the bleak pogrom waged by the necrons, for the tau are playing for the hearts and minds of mankind. If they triumph our species may survive, but its destiny will not.

-– Aion Escher, Grand Master of the Damocles Conclave, Ordo Xenos

The Imperium joining the Tau Empire is a possibility. The inquisition seems to fear that happening should the Tau defeat the Imperium in open war as well as the shadow war.

>>51187335
As much bikers you could get and some mek gunz

>>51188279
paint them black

BTs also get the cheapest jump infantry because you can use the upgrade pack and jump pack bits

>>51188213
That's not how space marines work.
You can't pay pay geneseed to mauture faster or set better.

>>51188314
well imagine if the space marines were encased in jump-jet armour and had 12 plasma guns glued to their backs, they'd be UNSTOPPABLE

>>51188213
>they could make so many space marines they'd win
Now there's a white elephant. Just give every Guardsman a pulse gun or rail rifle instead of a lasgun.

>>51188332
They'd still die to a 15 point krak missile.

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FIRES OF CYRAXUS WHEN!?!
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>>51188292
>Implying the split-second that shit becomes a serious possibility the a imperium won't upgrade the Tau from 'thorn-in-the-side' tier to 'legitimate threat' tier
Ciaphas Cain put it best. If they cared, and didn't have bigger, uglier fish to fry, the Imperium would curbstomp the Tau into a messy blue stain on the pavement. The only reason they're still allowed to exist is because they can actually be talked down, and thus aren't as threatening to the Imperium as LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE.

>>51187898
>The Imperium will fall no m atter how large
The only scenario in which the imperium falls is if the harmless failures somehow kills the Emperor and that kills the setting, any other scenario only fragments the imperium.

>>51187105
Nids didn't get to keep theirs because the Imperium looted it.

>>51187095
Use the Assault Marines box. You get ruining Marines and plenty of chainswords.

>>51188391
>read the rulebook
>"These are the final days of the Imperium"

The Tau ascension is assured.

>>51188390
Actually, the lore now says the Tau are too powerful for the Imperium destroy.

>>51188453

If the Imperium falls, I don't see don't see the Tau lasting much longer.

>>51188453
If the Imperium falls Ork looters will be wanting more other shit to steal.

>>51188453
God-Emperor, could you be sucking blue cock any harder?

It's funny how you think you're going to win. The one real engagement the two empires had, the Tau lost one of their most important leaders while the imperium lost one ace tank commander...'s vehicle.

Tickle the dragon's tail more. Go ahead. You won't regret it.

>>51188486
The galaxy will be a lawless wasteland full of disorganized and weakened factions infighting in confusion. The Tau will be the united faction out there (excepting the nids but who cares about them?). They will sweep in, mop up, and conquer the galaxy for the Greater Good.

>>51188470
...without giving up the ability to protect themselves from every single other race, traitor and governor with aspirations of independence.

If daemons can possess vehicles, why are there no possessed riptides and other Tau stuff? I don't mean the Tau themselves, just their vehicles and AI stuff.

>>51188391
Even killing him may not work as there is the theory he'll shed his mortal form and be reborn as a god.

>>51188511
>The one real engagement the two empires had, the Tau lost one of their most important leaders
I still think they came out ahead on that one. The Tau in Mont'ka were more threatened by their own leadership than by the Imperium. With Aun'va dead and replaced by a hologram that will inspire the masses without constantly twirling his mustache and pouring resources into a fight that will never pay off, they're probably better off than before.

>>51188511
The Tau brutally curbstomped the Imperial crusade and sent them packing. The assassins and nuking happened because the Imperium couldn't achieve a military ground victory.

50%+ of the crusade forces were destroyed. Billions of IG. Plenty of them Cadians which explains why Cadia fell to Abaddon. The Tau killed a huge chunk of Cadians.

Will GW ever decide the end of 40k?

>>51188554
>Imperium falls
>Orks have more tanks and guns than they can use
>Tau surviving

It'll only be as long as the boys have fun.

>>51188609
When it starts to die like WFB maybe.

>>51188604
He will kill him with Drach. Drach the daemon who can devour the Emperor's soul.

>>51188609
Perhaps in 15-20 years

>>51188609
they've shown they aren't above doing it, but I don't think they'll do that anytime soon

>>51188631
The orks will use them in each other as much as they will use them on everybody else. Don't worry it equalises.

>>51188634
Then lets boycott GW until they do it.

>>51188598
They need to be bound or otherwise gain purchace on them.

Be its summonig circles, layers of blood or maddened crewmen.

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reposting from the old thread, as i was stupid enough to post right before it died. Anyway


1850 points list
Armored battlegroup-combined arms
HQ
>(warlord)Company command tank: command vanquisher (255pt)
-Artificer hull (20pt), co-axial heavy stubber (10pt), beast hunter shells(15pt), camo netting (20pt), lascannon (15pt), improved comms (10pt).

>Company command tank: command battle tank (215pt)
-Artificer hull (20pt), infernus shells (5pt), camo netting (20pt, improved comms (10pt)

TROOPS
>Leman russ battle tank (150pt)
>Leman russ exterminator (170pt)
-sponson mounted heavy bolters (20pt)
>Leman russ executioner (250pt)
-sponson mounted plasma cannons (40pt), camo netting (20pt)

Death korps of krieg siege regiment-allied detach
HQ
>Company command squad (125pt)
-Master of ordnance (20pt)
-Flamer (5pt)

Troops
>Infantry platoon (190pt)
>Infantry platoon (190pt)

ELITE
>10 Combat engineer squad on hades breaching drill (170pt)
-power sword for the watchmaster (10pt)
-Melta gun (18pt)

FAST ATTACK
>Hellhound (135pt)
-hull mounted multi-melta (10pt)

Im thinking about dropping the co-axial stubbed on the vanquisher so i can turn the exterminator into a commissariat tank with a nice ld 10 bubble, im also undecided if i should keep the power sword for the krieg engineer, or get something like a meltabomb for them (and now that im copy pasting it, im thinking about dropping the executioner, its fucking expansive)

>>51188554

Disorganized maybe.

That being said, they'd have to contend with the Orks, Tyranids, Necrons and Chaos for the Galaxy.

Orks aren't as disorganized as they have been in the past and the Tyranids are a very cohesive threat. The Necrons can be as well and Chaos will always be in abundance.

Were any of these factions to turn an eye to the Tau, the results for the Empire, in victory or defeat, would likely be dire.

>>51188635
>Drach
Possible since it seems to have the ability to eat human souls unchecked, but that was said 10k years ago before he was fed countless Psykers, had a religious cult spanning the galaxy in state mandated worship and could create Living Saints (which operate a lot like Daemon Princes).

So maybe he eats the sword instead.

>>51188608
>Billions of IG
The Imperium SHITS out that many troops.

You don't get it, do you? The Imperium tanks losses like that EVERY DAY. they have for 10,000 years. And as the Macharian Crusade shows, it takes one - JUST ONE - truly competent leader to roll over everything in sight.

And even if that leader is one in a TRILLION, the Imperium has a few hundred in hand. It's that big.

Even at hundred-to-one, no, thousand-to-one casualty ratios, you'll still lose. YOU ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.

>>51188692
I don't think the Emps soul would fit in it's mouth.

>>51188661
Not while Thraka's around. His whole shtick is that he's going round rallying All The Orks. Give him an imperium worth of munitions and the Tau are going to keep him busy for about a week. Then it's on to the nids.

>>51188609
The 40k setting is already big and flexible like AoS so there is no need to blow it up

>>51188700
It's an empire of roughly sixteen quadrillion people. A couple billion is like a drop of clean water in a bucket of piss: not worth noticing.

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>>51188635
>armless failure
>reaching the Emperor to striking distance
>Not stabbing himself in the process
Good one!

>>51188719
Then he'll have to chew.

>>51188661
You don't seem to realize just how much of the Orks attention imperial worlds take.

And ork on ork wars last untill the boss dies, then the winner leaves with an army far larger than he started (in number and actual size)

>>51188700

It takes more than one leader. The stars kind of have to align. Enough resources have to be ready at once and the supply lines have to keep flowing. The problem is the too many fronts with no reliable comms and warp travel.

>>51188608
>>51188511
The GW mary sued that victory so they could play a bigger part in the faction race. I doubt they will get bigger so they can maintain their underdog status.

>>51188671

Except that's just not true. For example, the imperium doesn't use Dreadclaws anymore because they were prone to getting possessed and spacing it's occupants.

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WHERE MAH BEEP-BOOP BROS AT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cShYbLkhBc

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Thoughts?

>>51188848

Why take the spawn when you can take a few more chaos space marines in that transport?

>>51188739
>16,000,000,000,000,000,000
Just so y'all understand what that number looks like.

>>51188806
Maybe so, but an achievement on the tier of Lord Solar Macharius isn't necessary to put the Tau in their place. Creed could do it. Creed could do it with one arm tied behind his back.

>>51188827
Undergoing reformatting. There was a malignant bug in System32.

>>51188827
>>51188368
Beeb-boops and thallax and tank-trains and tech-priests.
Cyraxus can't come soon enough.

>>51188876
>one arm tied behind his back.
>one arm
I see what you did there.

>>51188875

Spawn tax for the Decurion. I need an Aux to go with the Warband so I get Night Fighting and rerolled charges.

>>51188875

You need the spawn to activate the Murder Talon, since it needs an Aux choice.

>>51188827
Building up forces, requistioning more boops and beeps from the local forgeworld.
Just built a squad of infiltrators, now I just need someone to play against before classes start Tuesday and I have no more tome

>>51188876
Yup. It's a big damn number, and that was taking a low average for planets that didn't have a listing beyond numbers of that type.

It could easily be double that or more. Especially when you add in all the non-civiliab numbers to that (Astartes, Pilgrims on intergalactic tourist, Active duty Guard, Inquisition staff, planets that were misfiled, ECT).

>>51188876
Good thing too since he's only got one now.

Been reading Cadian Blood and I have to admit I am appreciating Guard more now.

>>51187072
Like old Furious Charge's +1 I

>>51188730
I want Ghazkull to confirm his right to rule the orkz on the octarius sector by krumpling the Tau empire

>Warzone Octarius
>Ghazkull leads his waaagh! Against the Tau empire
>kills shadowsun and destroy T'au and the first sphere planets before retreating
>in the destruction and humiliation of their once proud empire a new heroe returns
>O'shova clash with Ghazkull
>when they believe they have the upper hand suddenly
>tellyportaz everywhere
>the eight rescue O'shova before he's killed but five of them die
>the rest of the orkz see this and pledge themselves to Ghazkull and joins the despoiling of the Tau empire
>the once proud empire is left when Ghazkull decides the Tau aren't worthy and the true fight is somewhere else
>planets burn, strategies outsmarted by the greenskins, technology smashed with crude weaponry, allies destroyed and something else
>a deep feeling of shame as the orkz left when they lost interest on the Tau.

>>51187006

Not just that but, most of their shooting is strength 5 and up. So what hits wounds better than most.

>>51189006
Just stick it on to their 'ere we go rule, BOOM, problem solved.

>>51189010

The Tau would be a waste of Ghazkull's talents and probably a boring fight at that.

He has the right idea fighting Tyranids, who offer Orks a true crucible of violence in which they can better reach their potential.

>>51187006
>IG are a shooting race
>BS3

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>>51188971
Guard are my favorite faction because no matter how much of a loss the retarded-ass fluff hands them, they can just stand back up and ask for more.

They've been doing it for millenia. They'll do it for millenia more if they have to.

>>51189060
>IG are a race
wut

>>51189060
I thought they were a farming race with their tractors.

another leak for today...

the new box name is...

"The Triad"

wait & see

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>>51189060
>Orks are a melee race
>I2

>>51189010

I'm down with this just to have a campaign focused around xenos. Plus, it would give Ghazzy something to do while also "slowing" the Tau progress.

>>51189010
>renaming it Orktarius after krumping the Tau

It'd be perfect.

>>51189132
>IG are a farming race
>WS3
>I3

My money is on the potatoes.

>>51189060
I know you're being a qt tease, but Guard are the "good at nothing" race. They are supposed to have the numbers and spam to make up for that fact, but everything in the Guard dex is overpriced. Guardsmen, Vets, Conscripts all need to be reduced by 1 point. Power Weapons need to be about 5-10 points. Most of the Leman Russ tanks need to drop by anywhere from 0-30 points. Basilisks should be probably 90-100 points. Chimeras need to be 45 or 50. Plasma Guns should be 10. Lascannons should be 15.

Do you think the Emperor will outlive the Eldar? Both are pretty much on the brink.

>>51189069
Aye. Also reading how a couple of men took down a Nurgle Dreadnought with a Hotshot lasgun, frag grenades, a chainsword and a broken power sword
was fucking magic.

>>51189243

If the Emperor ever gets up it'll be due to the Eldar.

>>51189221
>Guard spamming even harder
I'm a Guard player and I disagree. We don't need to be stronger, there just needs to be less cheesy garbage out there.

>>51189210
Fucking Irish guard.

>>51189266
Or some Viagra and the latest Sister of Battle centerfold.

>>51189264
What book? Sounds like Gaunt.

So what is this gyrinx going to be on a base with? Imperial psyker? Shadowseer?

>>51189271
Guard need one thing to be faaar better.

this being salvo lasguns

>>51189266
>not because our one true savior Belisarius Cawl

Blowing up Cadia was justasplanned.jpg, I am sure. He needed that to happen to repair the throne and revive the emperor, but had to make it look like an accident to not be outed as a traitor.

>>51189288
Probably Shadowseer, if the rumors of an Eldar triple pack of characters are true.

>>51189271
Can you at least agree that some of the Leman tanks are overpriced for what they can do.

>>51189221
>Conscripts need to be reduced by 1 point

Bruh they're THREE POINTS PER MODEL

You can literally dogpile marines 10v1 in numbers resembling the fluff (where marines are actually strong)

>>51189271
More internal balance and chainsaws back on the Sentinels would be nice too.

>>51189286
Cadian Blood. Follows the Cadian 88th Mech Guard as they try and reclaim a shrine world that fell to a Plague of Unbelief. It's set during/immediately after the Fall of Cadia but came out in 2009.

>>51189311
Fine, leave them as is. But Guardsmen need to be 4 points and Vets need to be 5.

hey guys, do you have the Saint Duncan pic for me?

>>51189300

I play all of the Eldar factions minus corsairs and this is the one time I'm just disappointed CWE even came up. Sure, it makes more sense for the Imperials to deal with the more level headed CWE but, fuck off GW I thought we were going to see the DE have a moment that wouldn't include the fucking CWE.

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>>51188827
Painting some SoH corpses for my Knight base and basking in the afterglow of victory. Nothing too amazing, other than my Skitarii Alpha headshotting the Deldar Archon with his arc pistol and IDing him on Overwatch. I dub thee Alpha Harrison Ford.

Want to start 30k Admech, hopefully these glorious bastards will be in IA14 so they can irradiate a bitch.
Torrent AP3 Fleshbane is damn nasty, and their other gun is Assault 4 18" Grav with BS5 Preferred Enemy. Also Dune TRAAAAIN! Hopefully it eventually goes plastic.

>>51189271
I agree with the less cheese idea, 40k is Fucking bonkers right now, guns are way too powerful and have way too many shots per turn. Grav cannons really didn't need to have 5 shots each at optimal range, way too much shit has rending, and the new armour system sucks I think, glances shouldn't remove hull points and should have their own result table again. The rng in 40k has almost been completely removed by op bullshit that rarely fails at what it's supposed to do.

>>51188009
so much this

Fall of Cadia spoilers

-We're about to die
*Legion of the Damned pops out
-We're about to die
*Celestine pops out*
-We're about to die
*Phalanx pops out*
-We're about to die
*Trazin pops out*
-The fuck are those pylons
*Trazin pops out again*
-We're about to die
*Armies pops out Trazin ass, straight outta 30K Millenium*
-We're about to die
*Legion of the Damned pops out again*
-Creed is about to die
*Celestine pops out again*
...
-We're about to die
*Eldars pops out*
...
etc...


-Creep die
*Emperor pops out*
-NOT ON MY WATCH CREED !


WHO WROTE THAT SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!

>>51189326

Nah, just give IG bolters and some stat increases to make them better shots and tougher. Say, 4's all around. Maybe give them super carapace armor too at 3+. Of course you'll have to make them about 14 points or so to pay for all those stats and wargear. Then, give them the Hold The Line, Lads rule that lets them hold the line when they fail their highly disciplined morale stat of 8. So,

Imperial Guard - 14 points per model

- Bolter
- Super Carapace Armor

BS4 WS4 S4 T4 I4 W1 Ld8

>>51189379
I'm also quite disappointed that dark eldar aren't getting the spotlight, and everything is pointing towards even more eldar faggotry incoming

>>51189304
Ehh...honestly no. The Russ isn't heavy damage, yeah, but that's not the point. The REAL point is for them to be FOOKIN' INDESTRUCTIBLE. They do this very well if properly supported.

Ogryns on the other hand. THOSE are overcosted.

>>51189422
>and they shall hold the line

>>51189420
top kek

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>>51189441

Hopefully, it will be more harlequin than CWE.

>>51189441

Im sure they will soon enough anon, besides the new box set they have actually has quite a few models in it.

>>51187160

How can you tell its a recast?

>>51189502
So you admit it's a recast?

Nice job retard.

>>51189486
it won't be

>>51189474
>And They Shall Hold All Lines

>>51189502
because nobody who actually paid for that dreadnought would ruin it by gluing cotton balls to it like a child

>>51189420
I read it as Abbadon had the upper hand, the Emperor kept going "But I activate my trap card!" and getting extra shit Deus-Emperor-Ex-Machina'd to Cadia to support it but still loses when the 4 Chaos Gods fuck over his plans by overloading the last pylons left holding the Eye in check.

Basically the Big E did everything he could as a desiccated corpse god and still lost this one.

My friend is being a 'that guy' he runs grey knights, deathwatch, and assassins. I play Orks (newfag to 40k) but he's completely wrecking me in the psyker phase. Can I take a callidus assassin to help me out legally?

Browse google for around an hour. Still no sign of the Deathwatch start collecting formation. What gives it's only 1 day away now, does it not have one?

>tfw the army you want is so fucking terrible there's no point in even trying to play them.

I want a footslogging, non-blob IG army. But that's absolute garbage. The idea of having a platoon just with a command squad and 2 10-man squads gets my dick hard, but there is no army who can't break a 10-man guardsman squad in a single turn.

>>51189600
I'm in a similar area you are in that one. I want to run a pure footslogging Black Tide army with maxed Crusader Squads.

Guess what DOESN'T work as an army.

I feel like i have a bad habit of latching onto army builds that look cool as fuck but suck more dick than a $2 whore running a "buy one get one free" sale.

>>51189578
Yes, she'll always infiltrate so come the apocalypse will never come into effect

And yeah culexus assassin rapes grey knights

>>51189578
You can, but it would need to deploy 12" away and stay 6" away from your orks, if I recall the CTA ally rules correctly.

You could probably even mock it up as an Ork Blank if you wanted it to be more fitting in your army. Fluff the extra deployment distance as other Orks not liking him due to his weirdness.

>>51189578
Yes. Officio Assassinorum detachment. Just keep it away from your dudes, since that's Come the Apocalypse ally tier. I think.

>>51189600
This.
Want to play a nobikes marine army but it's impossible.

>>51189578

You want the culexus assassin if you are having trouble with the psychic phase. You can ally one in just keep it 12 inches away from your own guys due to it being a 'come the apocalypse' ally.

Orks are hard mode too. I'm not an Ork player but, it seems they have very few builds that work well.

>>51189600

Yeah I want footslog assault marines but footslog anything doesn't work these days. I'm going to buy some transports but it's not going to make them that much better.

>>51189578
Put all your boyz in trukks so he can only use psychic abilities that target armour

>>51189578
You could try to say that your assassin was sent out to kill his Warlord because he did something another Inquisitor isn't OK with and they made a deal with the orks to fight his army as distraction to let the assassin kill his boss.

>>51186932
>monolith
>2 teams of 6 Tomb blades
> Star God
>Deathmarks
My nigga
I run a royal court with Zandrekh and obryn
How's the monolith do in these days of grav spam tho?

>>51189059
Let it be at first Tau vs Tyranids and at the end of the first book it is revealed that it was all Ghazkull plan using the orkz that seed Tyranids everywhere for fun and seed Tyranids on Tau planets to redirect the Tyranid fleet and weaken the Tau for the orkz to krumple them

Then you could get an ork, Tau, Tyranids and perhaps also GSC in a single xenos only campaign.

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Bought with tourney winnings from LGS, super excited to get it put together and painted to defend cadia with

>dubz names her/him
>trips decides the color scheme (unless it's a really objectively shity scheme)

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>>51189578
>friend
>GK, deathwatch, assassins
>against Orks
>>>>friend

I suppose you could try to outgame him with mediocre allies but you could also try to ask him to stop being a huge doucher

>>51187983
The RPGs are of questionable canonicity, especially since they split with FFG and have never referenced them in any other fluff.

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>>51189630
Well if Orks can have snipers some blender chicks isn't too out of line......

I'd use it as a reason to run this gentleman as one. Just because a Nob exploding out of unit becomes hilarious.

>>51189666
>implying GW wouldn't have Helbrecht and Yarrick catch up to Ghazghul, make a pact with the Tau, get stomped and squat BT once and for all

>>51189578
>my friend is that guy
>he runs grey knights
>deathwatch
>assassins

fuck off, none of those things are incredibly op

considering that there was an anon in here where everyone played taudar or codex space marines you can go fuck yourself you whiny fuck

>>51189672
Remember Cadia

>>51189666

Exclude the GSC. Keep it all xeno..No humans at all.

>>51187398
They are on the charge

>>51189672
Martha.

Use snow camo and add a flower as the company badge.

>>51189685
Ah, I got mixed up with the blank assassin and the shapeshifting assassin.

Yeah, running Snikrot as that would also work nicely. And as others have pointed out, infiltrating means you won't really have to worry about the ally rules too much.

>>51189684
I am not talking about FFG's RPGs. I am talking about "Inquisitor" which is an old RPG game made by GW before they partnered with FFG.

Is it generally seen as acceptable to proxy a formation with models you already have before you buy the book and models?

>>51189672
cadia blew up though

>>51189674
>Friend has a force of Average, Average, and Mediocre

>>51189672
I'm always in favour of naming my armour after gods and goddesses. Choose your favourite mythology and go from there. If you wanna keep it 40k related just name it after a legendary hero from the 40k universe

>>51189600
You're basically gonna run Scions, then. Either Grenadier Vets or just straight up Scions/stormtroopers. 5+ T3 is not enough to footslog.

In addition, march them behind a Rampart Detachment of Bullgryns. The Bullgryns give a 3+ cover save which you can boost to 2+ with camo cloaks. Your opponent has to either shoot the bullgryns to get them out of the way or shoot through an absurdly good cover save.

Be aware that Barrage weapons go around this, because the Slabshield specifies the target must be 'obscured' to gain its cover save and Barrage weapons are never obscured.

>>51189672
Get two more for the Castellan detachment!

>Name: Hammer of Cadia
>Paint: Classic Cadian tank colors

>>51189692

Agreed. What's in the ork list? What's so difficult to deal with in the Inquisition list?

>>51189578
orks hard counter grey knights and deathwatch

just use shootas to make him roll saves

he has what like 20 marines max on the table?

>>51189672
Oh I just reread your post and saw it is a roll for name post. In that case, rolling for Athena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nWv_WcpUZA

So who wants a kitty? Because I want to give one to Greyfax because she seems way too lonely.

Also she's likely an angry virgin.

>>51189672
Arethusa. Play using Maximilian Weissman in Apoc games for maximum awesome.

>>51189672
anon, cadia is dead, I'm so sorry, you didn't know?

name should be "necrons r bad"

>>51189672

Traitor's Bane

>>51189752
>Also she's likely an angry virgin.
>greyfox
>virgin

anon you're stupid as hell, she's got mad style and confidence, she crushes pussy like it aint no thang

>>51189672
Rolling for augustus

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>>51189776

>>51189728

See, all those additional conceits is why I can't run it.

Fundamentally, the army doesn't work.

reposting, get your armies in anons

http://www.strawpoll.me/12095750

show up or admit that your army is gutter trash

Someone leaked a shot of the fluff with the shadowseer and a eldar in non CWE or Deldar armour does anyone have this picture? Plox anon you're my only hope

>>51189672
Pocket Creed
Pure Black if trips

>>51189672
Creeds fist

>>51189786
Yeah....she's basically about ten seconds from a round of hate fucking Celestine.

Also she goes Tsundere in the dialogue. Throw in a "I-I don't like you baka!" and she'd fit perfectly.

>>51189672
>>51189776
Traitor's Hate

>>51189764
What? No... its just gone?

>>51189672
Name it Getrekttaufags.

>>51189600
>no point in playing favorite army

didn't realize you played orks

>>51189795
Well, if your don't want to compromise to make it even remotely playable, I can't help you. That's how you do footslogging 10-man units with the guard. There really isn't any other feasible way.

>>51189833
stage one, denial

>>51189813

IG, Chaos marines, and DE

Nice..

>>51189672
Celestines vengeance

>>51189833
OH COME ON.
>>51189672
Carolus Rex

>>51189672
creed has a small wiener

>>51189672
Paint it Black

Name: Cadia's Shadow.

>>51189672
Name: Beyblade

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>>51189776

Rerolling, with pic-related as the scheme

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>>51189843

Those damn dirty traitors!

>>51189672
Attero Dominatus (loosely: death of tyrants)

>>51189672
celestine is a strumpet

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>>51189813
>All these guard friends

>>51189672
The Godslayer.

>>51189672
Anon, you're not only a winner, but you have a huge model. Would you bust an apoc sized blast in my moist hole?

>>51189672
the sister fister

>>51189672
Denique Interimo (heaven at last)

If you don't paint it Cadian green-and-brown you are a heretic and a traitor.

>>51189881
>Guard fap thread when?

>>51189899

Winnar winnar

>>51189672
The ss more powerful than abbadon, Horus, and Belakor combined

>>51189899
A winner!

>>51189899
beautiful double

>>51189764
>WHY DOESN'T THE IMPERIUM TRUST XENOS
>WHY ARE THEY SO XENOPHOBIC
>GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
>THEY SHOULD ALLY WITH FRIENDLY XENOS TO FIGHT THE BIGGER THREATS

Fucking retards.

>>51189899
Rolling for color scheme: sororitas black n gold.

>>51189899
Baneblade owner here
FUCK

Exodite
Void Dreamer
Corsair Prince

>>51189909
Now.

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>>51189899
>>51189899
>>51189899
>>51189899
SISTER FISTER

>>51189933
I want to see it painted up with SISTER FISTER painted on it

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>>51189672
Painted these colours.

Winter Sun

>>51189893
Dress up like a girl and sure I'll think about it, only if you let me use the 10" S10 AP1 ignores cover blast on you

>>51189861
>broken dreams so grand
>sing of his final stand
>long live carolus

>>51189932
Rolling for this as well with
>>51189948
added on to it.

It's the only logical thing.

>>51189933
even if you chicken out and don't name it that. from now on, every time you look at it "sister fister" will be echoing in your mind. Every Time.

>>51189959
>broken dreams so grand
>sing of his final stand
>long live sister fister

>>51189559
Not that anon
I feel it as a bad start for Abaddon, he lost one black fortress and many guys just for cadians to hold and retreat to the webway. I mean yes the imperium lost almost all the black Templars, the imperial fists third company and a complete great company of space wolves but Abaddon could had lessen his loses by not invading Cadia and just shoot it to hell

>>51189956
I've already transitioned so my body is ready, and yes, please instant death my T5 booty

>>51189948
Yeah okay... desu it'll probably be a month before I get to it with school and other shit but I'll keep to my word

>might have to censor it because my local GameShop is supposed to be family friendly but I'll keep to the spirit of the name

>>51189974
abaddon could have lessened his losses by not being part of a shitty imperium focused setting which is drowning in objectively terrible fluff

>>51189813
So many Guard players, but people won't shut the fuck up about dumpster marines.