Warhammer 40,000 general

Wait what?

What's this about tyranids?

Have they said when the Fall of Cadia book drops?

>>51183238
>New Tyranids codex leaks
If youre trolling me right now.....

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I tried making a list using the new castellans detachment. r8

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>>51183273
I want to believe

But I'm still waiting for plastic Troop choice. Soooooo.

>>51183273
anon if hes trolling us right now im going to be very livid and might even start a petition to get him removed from my 40kgen safe space

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>>51183283
here's the detachment in case anyone missed it

>>51183273
he troll

>>51183238
Nth for SOT are good, but rubrics are shit

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No Tyranids, but at least we're getting something.

>>51183313
>*He's a troll
You have to be above 18 to post here

GSC aberrants outside of the DW:O box when?

Does anyone have the Dark Communion except?

Or the one about how a random CSM champion became a Daemon Prine?

>>51183336
you troll

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>>51183310

>>51183327
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. S.O. are shit. Expensive, terrible in melee, bad at shooting, bad at casting. There only strong point is that they have the potential to be as durable as TH & SS Terminators.

>>51183327
>Nth for SOT are good
Scarabs suck tho? Their weapon options are terrible and they're too expensive to termicide with?

In what way are they good and how do you use them?

>>51183310
>>51183349
Seems like Scions (since they can Deep Strike) or Crusader Squads (since they'd best use Hatred) are the top picks for the Troop slots.

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>all this arguing about whether or not a shit codex is shit
>mfw my DE are regularly called cheese by the resident Marine/Skitarii player
Have I walked into bizarro /tg/?

>>51183376
Naked Scion sound best 70 points for 5 rapid fire S3 AP3 with Objective Secure sounds nice.

Add some Valks as DT and enjoy respawning flayers no idea it that is good but sounds funny

>>51183408
It's possible for a list to be cheesy in a particular meta despite the codex being shit overall.

If the meta is a bunch of Deathwatch and Thousand Sons and Grey Knights players playing games of "who has the most overpriced MEQ's of all," then a green tide style Ork list could very easily shitstomp them all.

>>51183335
ITS PIKACHU
> its vect
FUUUUCK

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>>51183408
Bad players call everything cheese

For fuck sake my Seraphim, old Celestine and Dominions where called OP and Broken. From a guy that had 3 Riptides at 1000 point games.

Bad players find everything broken if their net list is not winning

How does the lost and the damned work A tide of traitors rule work? It says they get outflank and go into ongoing reserves but units in ongoing reserves dont get to use the outflank special rule. So is it RAI that they get to outflank or did GW just give them a useless rule?

>>51183413
the troop scions don't get obsec from the detachments and the fliers don't respawn because they are not troops.

>>51183365
With full unit, you get 3++ rerolling 1s unit with instant death and jump, plus additional buffs from another discipline. They are really good at running down and killing certain models, such as Thunderwolf Cavalry.

It won't work against everything, but it's pretty respectable.

>>51183442
kek

>>51183468
I think there is no use for this detachment without Coteaz, so it's okay assume every non-vehicle has OS.

>>51183478
only the soc has ID, and they are what 500 points? and one of the spells goes on tzeench?
still pretty crap IMO

>>51183478
What the fuck? Favored of Tzeentch is a benefit from having a full formation, not a full unit. The Scarab Occult have Power Swords, not Force Swords. The Jump is coming from a relic, so it necessitates the involvement of a 100+ point character.

Figures that the people defending S.O. have only the vaguest idea of what the unit actually is.

>>51183508
seems reasonable, but I fear it may be FAQ'd out some time later, but fliers would still not be able to respawn even with Coteaz

>>51183468
Dedicated Transports take on the battlefield role of the unit you buy them for, so actually yes, the Valks are troops.

You could also take Crusaders and give them a LRC that respawns, too.

>>51183478
>With full unit, you get 3++ rerolling 1s unit with instant death and jump
The fuck you talking about nigga? None of that is true. You get a 3++ if you give them a blessing. Jump if a sorc uses the relic. And rerolling ones in a formation thats maxed out. Youre entirely wrong.

Thunderwolves would eat these alive.

>>51183553
> You get a 3++ if you give them a blessing
FORCE
O
R
C
E

>>51183570
What of it you retard? You still have to waste WC's on it????

>>51183335
I'm willing to bet that those two "mysterious eldar" mentioned are Iyanna Arienal and Asdrubael Vect. Would make perfect sense. Iyanna has strong drive for "end times" and Vect controls most of the Dark Eldar race.

by now you guys are just getting baited for (you)s id stop while you are ahead

>>51183570
>wasting even more of your scant warp charge to increase your invuln by one
Fuck off, retard. You embarrassed yourself last thread.

>>51183577
>gaining a 3++ and ID
>waste
Fuck off WAACnker

>>51183546
i wanted to call BS but I looked it up
fuck...

>>51183546
DT transport for Troops are Troops, the ones bought for Fast attack are fast attack and so on

Geez /tg/ doesn't really play 40k

>>51183589
ID on one character. You dont even know the unit youre 'defending'. Fuck off retard.

>>51183442
>>51183584

It's a mysterious ally who had armour resembling both the craftworld eldar and the dark eldar.

So most likely a new character that will tie the two factions together for an 8th Edition Eldar Undivided faction.

>>51183601
But he said he was buying Valks as DTs for his Troop choice Scions. Are you retarded?

>>51183600


>>51183601

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So, what are the odds that the next specialist / boxed game is going to be Necromunda?

If it is, what are the odds that we get a new guard regiment for 40k and it's Necromundans?

What are the chances that we will get Arbites? Significantly better if we get Necromunda?

>>51183630
I miss linked for some reason. Want this guy... the fuck he deleted the post

>>51183628
Actually that makes a lot of sense
I'm still rooting for new vect/drazhar modell

>>51183630
Nowhere does it say in any codex besides inqusition does it allowvalks to be taken as DTs. And int codex inqusition every choice is takes an elite slot, so valks counts as elites in the =]I[=, so no respawning valks.

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>>51183655
Can you buy Valks as DT for the troops in the IG or Scion codex? If yes then welcome our new respwanjng flayers if not

Have not have some unpainted Nids!

>>51183612
>being THIS retarded
jesus, why is tg so bad at 40k?

>>51183705
Still offering no argument. Why are (You) so retarded?

>>51183648

There are rumors of a Valossian Sythrac model, and a new Kabalite Trueborn kit that came from sources that predicted the triumvirate and tzeench releases.

So we're getting something my fellow Commorite, I can feel it.

>>51183628
I'm going to guess that he is whatever got spawned by Eldrad's ritual which was meant to produce a new Eldar god but got screwed up by the Deathwatch.

>>51183723
i gave you mine, you just gargled piss

like a retard

>>51183705
>>51183723
Nobody on /tg/ actually plays 40k. Everyone comes here to bitch, and some of us buy the models. A small portion of those who do, paint.

>>51183700
>Chaos tattoos
>partially painted nids
EgoQueenAlexis detected

>>51183640
Arbiters would do well with an army similar to Scions - an army based around one troop box and one vehicle. Hopefully that vehicle would be a Repressor and actually have bits for Sisters of Battle.

>>51183741
You thought Scarabs got rerolling 1 and jump lmao. Go be wrong somewhere else.

>>51183746
Who? I just posted a random image I found in an older thread

I'm not sure about this "app reduces instead of ignores armor saves" idea. I mean, if ap1 reduces an armor save by 3, doesn't that mean marine armor can tank a vanquished shot to the face?

>>51183761
Tranny youtuber that loves Slaanesh and GSC

When did the 40k general become the worst thread on /tg/? It wasn't always such a shitfest.

>>51183700
I've just read both codices, and there's no option.

>>51183779
when someone trolled us by saying there was a new nid codex

>>51183337
When CSM gets Chosen outside DV

>>51183478
>running down and killing certain models, such as Thunderwolf Cavalry.

Infantry unit... running down a cavalry unit?

Okay...

>>51183779
Because when there's nothing to talk about the thread just devolves in to bickering and shitposting.
The bickering and shitposting lowers the standards of people who visit the thread.
And thus people are more willing to bicker and shitpost when there is something to talk about.

It's a vicious cycle.

>>51183783
Awwww bummer I just wanted respawning deepstriking Scion or Veterans

Yah Scion are the better option.

Immolators are not a bad choice either.

>>51183478
I thought Termie-armour equipped models couldn't perform sweeping advances

>>51183478
This is the dumbest shit I've seen since the walkers arent vehicles guy.

What's the difference between Fleshbane and Poison 2+?

>>51183655
Scions are Troop choices in Codex: Stormtroopera (Militarium Tempestus)

Scions can take Valks as Dedicated Transports

Dedicated Transports take on the role of the unit that bought them

Those Valks bought for Scions are Troops

Casts of the Imperium Detachment let's troops respawn on a 5+

>>51183838
But anon they aren't :^)

>>51183839
Fleshbane isn't effected by rules that effect poison, such as GCs only being wounded by poisoned on 6.

So not much.

>>51183842
Ignore this. Just doubled checked MT. They can't take Valks as DT.

My b

>>51183839
Poisoned also lets you reroll to Wound Rolls if your Strength > Their Toughness

>>51183779
Poor moderation. The same issue that plagues most forums. Heated opinions and arguments are one thing, but people openly shitposting should be banned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj-v6zCnEaw
This is my tzeentch daemonkin theme song. does it fit?

>>51183238
So me and 3 friends are setting up a 2V2 match soon, don't have many details but would like peoples opinions?

1000 points each, so 2000 vs 2000
>Me and ally - Death Guard and Night Lords
>Opponents - Thousand Sons and World Eaters

All I know is in the 1000 point list the WE player has chaos warband and raptor talon formation so I assume he is taking everything pretty bog standard.

How do me and my ally fair? Can we win? Fair fight? Stomp?

>>51183335
the "new" eldar guys armour apparently looks like some strange mix of dark eldar and craftworld according to cawl but isn't on record, most likely the exodite 3rd of the triumvate

>>51183895
It's probably even imo
With me thinking DG+NL has the advantage...

Unless the TS is a twat and brought Magnus. In which case gg.

>>51183868
But only in melee

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>That moment when someone asks how to start their Ork army and random anons start telling him to take Boys, Trukks, and Nobs.

>>51183910
Why would Exodites have mixed Commorite and Craftworld gear? They're meant to be primitive dinosaur-riding spiritual hippies, not high tech space pirates and monks.

It'll either be an established character like Arhra who has a reason to have gear from both, a Corsair character, or (probably most likely) some asspull OC donut steel Eldar.

>>51183895
Death Guard on on another level compared to the others and will probably carry the day. The TS player will probably do nothing if the NL guy is smart as night fighting and shrouded on the first turn and rubrics with no overwatch should make for a bad time.

>>51183935
I saw this in the last thread
I wanted to correct him but
All true ork players must start with these units

>>51183956

Exodites have enough technology to give every single dude a jump pack. They have technology.

>>51183935
I keep seeing advise the start collecting kit + a 'naut to transport his nobz in.

>>51183980
They have the technology
they can rebuild the Dark Eldar codex

>>51183980
You might be getting confused between Exodites and Corsairs

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>>51183935

>person new to the hobby asks for help
>lets give him the most WAAC list ever

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>>51183983

Repost from last thread, sorry. Didn't get any nibbles. Casual games with poorfag Tau player.

DC Strike Force - 1000 pts

DC Chaplain - 125
6 DC marines, Rhino - 165
7 DC marines, Rhino - 185
7 DC marines, Rhino - 185
1 DC Dread, Talons, Drop Pod - 170
1 DC Dread, Talons, Drop Pod - 170

>>51184014
>lets give him the most WAAC list ever
That would be all kinds of forgeworld bullshit.

People mostly just advise them to take things like biker boyz and tankbustas in transports.

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>>51184039
>That would be all kinds of forgeworld bullshit.
Are you talking about Orks specifically here, or FW in general?

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Reposting from other thread hoping for feedback.

So I've been messing around with the new Daemon formations in WoM lately. Seems pretty legit.

This list has 24 WC, 2 FMC and the units in the Pandemoniad all have a 4+ invun. Thoughts?

>>51184051
Orks.

Things that have no place in casual games like the custom stompa and that one bikerboss who has a powerklaw without unwieldy.

>>51184051
Orks, their WAAC list is to abuse old rules.

Real advice would be to field bikes, grots and tankbusters as bare minimum.

>>51184091
Isn't that custom stompa really out of date? Back when it was designed for apoc only.

>>51183238
>New Tyranids codex leaks, no more cruddace edition
DONT GET MY HOPES UP LIKE THAT YOU FAGGOT

>>51184102
anon we can lynch him together later

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>mfw Necrons are so far pretty chill in the End Times
>mfw my list is fun too
Can't wait to see if the Silent King appears

>>51184094
Nothing wrong with boyz as long as you don't spend any real amount of points on them.

85 points gets you 10 shoota boyz, a nob and a big choppa to wreck rear armour.
You dont need a transport or anything, just run 2 squads of them behind some 40 point gretchen squads for cover and they can actually cause some trouble.

>>51184102
>>51184106
The Tyranids will never be safe so long as Cruddace draws breath

>You know what you must do

>>51184127
anon i can only write so many emails to GW

>>51184099
see
>>51184094

Most of their WAAC lists abuse old rules from back before they got a royal fucking in the codex department.

>>51184127
>>51184102
The writers don't like/don't understand Orks and Tyranids and have proven themselves incapable of writing good rules for them.

Even if they got a new codex it would be shit.

BRING BACK MATT WARD ONLY HE CAN SAVE GIVE US THE MATT WARD ORKS/TYRANIDS CODEX

>>51183983
>>51184029
I don't play Orks. Why is this memetically bad?

>>51184078
Looks pretty solid. What sort of opponents? Do you put a lot of terrain on the table?

>>51184136
Can you bitch a moan for me? I'm still waiting for orders from last years. Compete email silence and got blocked from their Facebook.

Did costumer service went to shit out of nowhere? Maybe that is how they made their 18% profit?

>>51184177
>The writers don't like/don't understand Orks and Tyranids and have proven themselves incapable of writing good rules for them.
Two words: Genestealer Cults.

The problem isn't "the writers" as a whole, it's that fucking cocksucker Cruddace who somehow got landed the duty of doing nids twice while Phil Kelly who wrote the greatest nids Codex and one of the straight up greatest Codexes of any army period of all time, still works there.

All they need to do is to put him back in charge of nids.

>>51184188

Nauts aren't assault vehicles. So if you want to attack after being carried in a naut, you essentially are forced to spend a turn being shot at.

>>51184212
But even GW ignore this rule when playing their own studio games by charging out of rhinos, so you should just do the same and tell your opponents "its more cinematic that way".

>>51184212
Huh. Maybe they had the idea that your nobz could take a turn of shooting-

Oh who am I kidding, I play Guard. That's about as dumb as ogryns in a chimera.

>>51183868
ah thanks.

>>51184212
>tfw play KdK
>use Rhinos to ensure my dudes get to where they need to go
>have to spend a whole turn of shooting and no melee in addition to the turn(s) they spent in the Rhino
Sadness.

>>51184195
>Do you put a lot of terrain on the table?
Yeah a good amount. As for armies its mostly marines and eldar with a sprinkling of crons and DE.

The biggest problems I see with Tzeentch daemons is that they dont do much outside of the psychic phase. The list has the potential to summon a lot however.

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>>51184188
'nauts are terrible units for their points
Nobs are terrible units for their points

Put them together you get an assault unit in what is basically the land raider's retarded, low armour brother but can't assault out of it.

>>51184284

That's why you play World Eaters instead, sweet sweet turn 1 charges.

>>51184124
But now its a 170 point investment.

>>51184309
Why not just play GSC with Ork models. It sucks but hey Ork GSC are a thing

>>51184313
Any grots that the opponents waste time shooting at have instead of something more useful have already made back their points.

GW is advancing the plot because
>Declining sales
>constant demand for story progression

So basically the fans and players are the cancer killing the setting

>GW nukes fantasy and advances 40Ks plot
>sales are up and GW is back in green again

You guys are enabling them, you fucks

>>51184209
Some of the writers are okay, some are shit. Pretty much all of them fuck over factions that they don't like. Look at the difference between the Daemon and Thousand Sons halves of Wrath of Magnus, or between Thousand Sons and the rest of Traitor Legions.

>>51184094
>warbiker mobs are $40 for three (3) models
>I need 7 more boxes to have a good number of them
Th-thanks GW, I'll just put all my boyz in the trash

>>51184347
This hobby is expensive, is this news?

Also, gradual purchases. Nothing forces you to roll out $4,000 in an Ork Army at once.

Buy it slowly, buy it frequently, and you'll actually have a painted army as you grow it.

>>51184332
Because I acutally like playing my Orks and do ok with them.

I don't use 'nauts or nobz though.

>>51184342
I don't really care what GW does with the setting, as they've always been hit-or-miss with fluff. I just want them to start giving a fuck about the rules. It's just baffling how they seem to completely ignore one of the biggest facets to the hobby.

>>51184362
Let's replace it with a standard IG platoon . It has got really expensive, I'm happy to have bought all my 150 plastics grunts when it was "only" 25 euros for 20 guys.

>>51184342
complaining about what you just said is like people on /v/ complaining that steam users keep buying skins from valve, killing half life 3.

>>51184346
Yeah TS was kind of inexcusable. My only defense for that is maybe it was written with an unknown 8th edition psychic phase and points rebalancing in mind.

>>51184342
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khai-Zhan_Uprising

Reminder that they could do some good fluff not so long ago.

>>51184313
Shutting down overwatch and providing support in melee
Camping objectives
Plinking lots of s4 shots in to enemy squads
Providing cover saves to units standing behind them
Smashing up the rear armour of transports

I think they're worth 170 points.

>>51184399
That doesn't really make sense either. The amount of shit that would have to get completely reworked to turn rubric marines into a decent unit is absurd. The new powers for Tzeentch are actually pretty good, it's mostly the legacy powers that fuck everything up.

If the new TS stuffs lack of Spell Familiars is an indication of the future, then the faction is going to be even shittier come 8th.

>>51184399
>Yeah TS was kind of inexcusable.
I was so excited for WoM. Fuck them so hard. Compare Ahriman to Cawl or Celestine lmao. How the fuck was WoM released like it is.

>>51184449
Honestly, rework of cover mechanic could really make Rubrics not completely trash.
>>51184460
Magnus still looks amazing, and that's what matters the most.

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So I've got a big pile of scions and I want to run a Castellans detachment.

But their only transport is the Taurox Prime, and I only have one. AND it's a rubbish vehicle and I had to go through a lot of trouble to make it a model I wasn't ashamed to play (pic related).

Is it okay to run Scion Castellans without transports? I mean, I suppose I could use Valkyries, but Valks are kind of crud in terms of armament.

>>51184460
I think Ahriman is fine. He's expensive, but he can be one hell of an artillery piece, I don't think there's a GC or MC in the game that can take triple psychic shriek.

>>51184478
Magnus is pretty mediocre. Way too big, the two sets of horns are too much, and the armor doesn't really match the rest of the line.

Even reworking cover wouldn't help that much. The big issue is how expensive the Aspiring Sorcerer is and how ineffective he is as a psyker.

>>51184347
This is why I play Tau. Sure, I'm paying $75~$150 a model, but each model's practically an independent army on its own
I can buy pretty much any Tau box and I'll be able to use it at its full power by itself

>>51184507
You're exaggerating how many wounds an average P. Shriek will do.

Ahriman really just needs a Spell Familiar and the Tzeentch lore to not be so crappy. A minor price decrease wouldn't hurt either, but it's not the pressing issue.

>>51184507
>I think Ahriman is fine.
No spell familiar, harnesses on a 4+, the disk helps but now he's 260 points in an already overcosted faction. I mean how do you run this guy successfully? Honestly I want to know.

>>51184504
You do know Scion can deepstrike? 70 point deepstriking shit. If you run them as troops and fit the 100 Coteaz you have deepstriking Objective Secure and respawning shit for rather cheap.

Add the hellrain formation so you can actually equipped worth a damn

>>51184362
I know, I'm being salty. I bought a heap of AoBR boyz off eBay when I didn't know what I was doing, and now they just sit in a coffee can. Fortunately I don't think I spent more than $1 per model

>>51184564
You stick him into some other list as a problem solver. Renegades and Heretics for example.

>>51184504
>>51184573
Also since you need atleast 2 HQ, pick Inquisitor from Codex: Inquisition and give him Servo Skulls. Deepstrikes are much nicer when you only have to scatter 1d6".

Also if someone is going to say "you cant use old codex inquisition in Castellans detachment", check the unit list. It states you can either use IA or I versions. You cant even take Henchmen from codex: Imperial Agents as your elite choices, you have to use I versions.

>>51184312
But I don't want to play World Eaters.

>>51184615
...It also sucks to notice that whoever made the..
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
..dint get the memo that old Codex: Inquisition is still valid. Sigh.

>>51184347
>Not playing Snakebite Clan Orks
>Not using Boarboyz as Bikers

>>51184615
Ooh, nice! And I just picked up Coteaz from a friend.

I'll use those wierd skull-cable thingies from the Guard Command sprue to make some servo skulls.

>>51184652
It's only valid in the most technical sense.

If you're taking it to ally in a 50pt inquisitor with 3 servo skulls and nothing else, people can, should and will refuse you games.

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>>51184564
>I mean how do you run this guy successfully? Honestly I want to know.
You dont because TS are overcosted garbage. Compare these two list and weep.

>>51184615
Hold on though, if anon does that he can't take Agents Coteaz, which means none of his units will have Obsec!

>>51184293
At that point level, I think you'll be okay. Being outmaneuvered would be my biggest fear.
You're resilient enough to tie up any objective/unit with that Horror invuln, and the amount of charges you have is gonna demoralize anybody.
Make a big Tzeentchy showing at the start and your opponent will feel like he lost already.

>>51184386
It's true in both cases.

>>51184652
I did told him he is an idiot that think it is not valid.

>>51184668
No it is not technically valid you twat. The new FoC makes references to 6e SoB codex, Inquisition Codex and Imperial Agents Codex.

You now have can now pick and choose which versions of Acolytes and Unique Characters you want to use.

Since the new formation you can have 4 HQ bring the cheap Inquisitor for servo-skulls, Coteaz for Objective Secure and make men and women rain into the enemies of the God Emperor! When ever one of us fall, ten more will take their place!

Lasers, Bolters, Meltas, Flamers and Artillery raining into the Heretic, the mutant and the Alien!

Age of the Emperor is here bitches!

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>>51184696
Here's 988 points of another army from the same guy who updated thousand sons.

>>51183283
>No Coteaz
0/10

>>51184521
>Way too big, the two sets of horns are too much
Anon, Magnus has looked like that since day 1.

>>51183978
I was the anon that suggested the SC! box in the other thread. I also suggested trukks for the mobs, since they're cheap to buy and easy to build.

As a true ork player, I recognize nobz suck but they can be fun to use in a decent meta.

>>51183842
To add to this, the Scions have to come from the IG book, not the MT book.the formations state what the source book is for each unit that can be used.

>>51183349
>>51184824
Except Scions (MT) are a valid troop choice.

>>51184848
And scions they can't receive guard orders if they come as troops only MT orders. interesting trade off, guard orders or respawns and mt orders.

>>51184824
>I CANT READ!
Thanks for the info anon.
Scions (MT) is a troop choice.
The only reason to take the elite one (AM) is to get the benefits from AM orders which are not as worthwhile as obsec.

>>51184848
Yeah, I checked it and saw my error. The Wrathful Crusade formation requires a Tempestus platoon from the Astra Militarum book. That's what mixed me up.

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Returning player here, used to play nids but my first return game into 7th edition was awful and deciding to switch. Hear this War Convocation is pretty gay and I wanted to try out an army with ACTUAL armor saves for once. Advice? Replace the Dominus with Cawl and this site doesn't calculate the free wargear options with the formation so its left blank here.

>>51184882
Troops don't get obsec in these formations. You need Imperial Agents' Coteaz for any obsec.

>>51184901
Which is a problem for me, because I only have one inquisitor model and I want to be able to take servo skulls.

The alternative is to take auger arrays on my tanks, but those are pricey and make my tanks and even bigger target.

Okay so how does this sound for tyranids? The longer the game goes on the better your units get to signify them adapting to the enemy.

>>51184901
I meant to say respawning.
Coteaz makes the detachment great.

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>>51184342

But people aren't buying AdMech, Genestealer Cults, and Deathwatch because the story is progressing

>>51184932
Do it like 5th DE's Power from pain
>The more units you kill the better they get

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>>51184932
>"Lower the toughness of every Tyranid MC? Sounds good. Warriors will also be T3."

>>51184901
Oh my fucking god read the fucking list!
>>51183349

You can take either Coteaz Inquisition one or Imperial Agent ones

Is not hard to understand and English is my fucking 4 languages for fuck sake

>>51184959
Dammit cruddance get the hell out of here you smug bastard im trying to make nids better

>>51183283
>>51184777
What army builder is that?

>>51184967
What the fuck are you being hostile over, EFL-kun? I'm not saying you can't take coteaz from C:I. But imperial agents is the only inquisition book I have, so I referred to it. Calm the fuck down.

>>51184932
Tyranids aren't borg, they don't adapt by physically mutating the creatures on the battlefield in a matter of minutes/seconds (except in rare outlier cases), they adapt by tweaking the genetics of the next wave which, by the time they reach the battlefield, the previous engagement is long over.

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>>51184978
>"I'm just making sure those OP Tyranid carnifexs never threaten my glorious IMPERIAL GUARD LEMAN RUSSES. I wonder how Tau could out adapt Tyranids..."

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>>51184993

>>51184946
I don't want to take him, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's unavoidable.

>>51184932

Tyranids should have 6++ in a synapse, and the Flock to the Front Line rule but every time an unit comes back it gets +1 to its synapse invulnerable.

>>51185007
This, the individual Tyranids aren't adaptable in the slightest, in fact they're the complete opposite and often over-specialised, it's the Tyranid race that's adaptable, which makes them a nightmare to deal with in protracted engagements.

>>51185001
Use the OP problem solve is not hard.

Print the pages you going to use if you do not want to be with books or tablet.

Fucking simple

>>51185018
No.

Synapse should grant behavioural benefits, like Counter-attack, Preferred Enemy, Stealth, Rage, Hit & Run, tactical things like that (but obviously not all at once).

>>51185029
This is why the Tau outadapted them. Each Tau and suit are able to adapt at the drop of a hat.

>>51185056
lol

I can't tell if you're being cheeky or actually baiting.

What is the single most competent elite unit in the setting fluffwise?

I can't imagine anything really outskilling a squad of grey knight paladins

>>51185054

4e synapse granted Eternal Warrior, there is a precedent. If that was still there Tyranids wouldn't be such garbage, my idea is actually weaker.

>>51185007
Dammit, i thought i had actually thought of something fluffy that would help. Hmm gotta rethink this now.

>>51185075
I know what 4e synapse granted, I've been playing Tyranids since Genestealer Cults had metal models and rules in the Tyranid Codex.

Invuln saves from synapse is stupid. It's not a matter of stronger or weaker. People who cannot separate design from balance have no business doing either.

>>51185056
>Tau
>Out-adapted Tyranids

No, the Tau used their adaptation to prevent being completely steamrolled after the first few engagements, but it doesn't suggest that they out adapted them, consider that the Tyranids basically didn't stop until they ran into the Tau/Imperial warzone.

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What is the coolest faction and why is it Genestealer Cults?

>>51183443
>Bad players call everything cheese
Lots of people calls me a forgeworld cheeselord the few times i win with my death korps (or when the drill does some damage with a lucky scatter)

>>51184932
>>51185007
Tyranids should be able to choose from a list of army-wide buffs during deployment so as to tailor "against" whatever it is they're fighting.

>>51184507

>I think Ahriman is fine
>Ahriman is fine
>fine
>....

Seriously, when the fuck did mediocre become the motto here? Its fucking Ahriman! This guys should cost points, don't get me wrong, but he should also be able to snap his fingers and make models like Tigerius bleed from eyes, ears and rectum alike! While the latter is chief librarian, he is a fucking baby in comparison.

Take my note with a bit of salt, I have only glanced over the rules. But it just bugs me that the heroes of the Imperium always gets dope rules, because "yay heroes!", and while the villains might be described as the ruler of all but still come out with "meh" rules....

>>51185075
>4e synapse granted Eternal Warrior
Except it didn't. It granted immunity from Instant Death caused by double strength.

>>51183443

Old Celestine had ONE scenario in which she was hilariously OP.

When they released the mission books, the Grey Knights got one where an enemy HQ got +1 to every stat every round and they auto-won if they ended the game alive but auto-lost if the grey knights killed them.

St Celestine was only considered dead if was tipped over last turn. At which point she'd be +5 to all stats and the grey knights were basically fucked unless they had the devil's luck.

>>51185067
If we take specific units, Abaddons terminator bodyguards are probably each equivalent to a chaos lord.

Farsight's Eight are another example of a named hyper-elite unit.

>>51185096
>Not glorious tau
Fucking degenerate

>>51185007
Treat Tyranid reserves as waves and allow them to pick/roll from a growing list of buffs that gets stronger, more specialized entries for each turn that passes.

>>51185067
Assassinorum Killteam or a detachment of the higher-tier Harlequins basically steamrolls any other squad in the setting.

>>51185138
That would be a neat Formation rule, of Hive Fleet Tactics for Gorgon, not something they should have as an Army-Wide.

>>51185149
>of Hive Fleet Tactics for Gorgon
or*

>>51185134
Fuck off animu fag

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>>51185043
Alright EFL-kun, let's try that reading thing you claim to be better than me at.

My original comment was that you needed AM Scions for Castellans, which I confused because of Wrathful Crusaders specifying AM scions only. The guy who said that MT scions were better because obsec mixed obsec up with respawning, and I corrected him saying you need coteaz for obsec in Castellans. He agreed and we peacefully cleared up all confusion between us. Then you start screeching about me being unable to read after it was resolved. I never said you can't take C:Inq Coteaz.

>>51185138
Giving reserve squads Preferred Enemy against the factions on the table sounds really fluffy to me, and definitely wouldn't break the Tyranids in their current state. Fluff it as the Hivemind looking up the biological blueprints it's used against the enemy faction before then sending the specialised units in.

>>51184729
No I wont hold on. The list states: "Coteaz (I/IA)". So you can pick which version you want.

>>51185112
>Ahriman should make Tigurius look like a bitch
I'm not a marinefag by any means but I think you're wanking too hard, m8. Tigurius is the only known psyker to make contact with the Hive Mind and live, he's easily a match for Ahriman.

>>51184888
Don't play Admech solely for a broken ass welfare formation. It's about the only way our army can compete at all and it's full of enough cheese to kill the French. And even then it's only got a small chance of winning. Even with 760pts of free wargear and two turns of 4+ cover.

>>51185138
Or better yet, simply let Tyranid swap out their reserve units each turn for others before they deploy.
Enemy has lots of skimmers? Suddenly your reserve is all Hive Guards.
They can't deal with air? Good thing your Tyrant adapted some wings between turns.

So at the WHL twitch stream yesterday they discussed knight scions for a little bit and I had this idea for a narrative game:
>Fortress Assault rules
>Imperial forces defending
>Knights at half price (or some other discount) for imperial side
>The knights start off disabled, scions have to make it to them from their bedrooms
>Attacking side gets to send infiltrators to try to kill the scion
>Defending side gets to deploy forces as bodyguards for the scion
>Tactical objectives outside the fortress as well

How do I go about making this proper fun?

>>51185212
>he's easily a match for Ahriman.
Only because hes a 'hero'. Come on man be realistic.

>>51185221
This is too complex and meta and would slow games to a halt calculating points (or, if it ignored points, it would be utterly rife with abuse).

>>51185171
You said you only had the Inquisition book. Like just look at the OP other books are there.

>>51185212
To be fair, we're talking about should rather than does, Ahriman has many times the experience, multiple supernatural buffs, a shit load of knowledge on the Warp on top of his already ridiculous natural capabilities, while Tigurius is just a Chief Librarian with an incredible amount of natural talent.

Consider this; from a narrative perspective Tigurius is just SO GIFTED that his natural gifts put him on the same level as a genius Psyker who's been researching and practising his art for many times Tigurius' entire lifespan, on top of supernatural buffs.

It's the same problem with Tau Commanders/warriors out-planning/fighting Space Marines, all it serves to do from a narrative perspective is make the Marines look like absolute trash and a waste of time/resources.

>>51185221
>Tyrant adapted some wings between turns.

That implies your Tyrant was some flighless degenerate to begin with.

>>51185101

This is a defense mechanism. I have a friend who literally starts to whine straight of the bat about everything you just brought to the table. "Oh man! I might as well pack up and leave, as you brought X-unit!" "Dude, whats the points cost on that unit right there? Only X points?!? Tell me your kidding me, *compares it to something more expensive in his army*".
This goes on and on, and if he wins its "Oh man, I'm so fucking good I beat your cheese list!" And if he looses its a "Told you so!".

No matter how you twists and turns, its never his fault see. And he can go about his day and feel good.

>>51185134
>Commies calling others degenerate.

>>51185251

Your friend sounds like a faggot. Tell him I said that.

Had a dream where I was in a game store talking with a girl about warhammer.

hold me /tg/ I want to go back

>>51185235
Just have specific specialized formations that have to be reserved and can be swapped out with each other before they deploy if you roll right

>>51185244
I think you might be buying the "literally ten thousand years old" Chaos meme a little too hard.

Everyone conveniently likes to forget that time distortion in the Warp means almost none of the Chaos Traitors are actually that old.

>>51184078
>and that one bikerboss who has a powerklaw without unwieldy

Yeah, would not want orks to have something on par with marines and eldar in their basic books. They just exist to be our punching bags, fuck them.

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Can I get some critique?

>>51185228
>How do I go about making this proper fun?

Allow charging out of rhinos, it forges a thrilling narrative

>>51185277
Then for Tyranid players to get the most of their army they have to collect every possible Formation of models in their line?

It's fluffy but it's just too meta and comes with a lot of mechanical issues.

>>51185284
I'm not even suggesting ten thousand years, Tigurius isn't even a millennium old and Ahriman was centuries old by the time the Heresy came about, unless Warp-shenanigans have cut his time by 10 he's still got more experience than Tiggy's entire lifespan.

>>51185304
>collect every possible Formation of models in their line

Just like Daemon summoning

>>51185067
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster.

WS and BS10.

>>51185284
Or they could be twice that old. Dont force it to go one way because it suits your argument.

>>51185306
Alright I will concede Ahriman should be more powerful as a character but I think the "snap his fingers and make him bleed out every orifice" thing might have been too much an exaggeration.

>>51185239
The book I have is a non issue. It literally did not matter, because all I said was that coteaz was needed for obsec. That's all.

>>51185217
I'm doing my hardest not to just meta-game it and have fun with the hobby. I really wanna just run Skitarii and Knights because I really like how they look and its a big leap from Nids that I used to play

>>51185306
Tigurius
>Tapped into the Hive Mind's Power

Ahriman
>Can't find a library after searching for 10,000 years

>>51185067
Court of the Phoenix King, Omniscient Oracles, Rehati War Sect.

>>51185304
It would be cost-prohibitive but it's mechanically simple.
>Bring three trays of units to the game
>"Tray A is my default option, but if I roll a 4+ when deploying I can swap it out for B or C"
And it wouldn't be every possible formation that could do it, just some specific special ones that have these rules.

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>>51185317
I know. Just being an ass.

Hugs?

>>51185325
To be fair he DID forget his library card

>>51185325
>>Tapped into the Hive Mind's Power
fuck this lore for everything its worth

>>51185315
Yeah but it's a lot more reasonable to swallow that the Chaos Lord who just ate it to a fucking random Eldar jetbike #34275 wasn't a 20,000 year old veteran.

>>51185316
Oh I agree, any powerful and skilled Psyker should be able to counter any of the 'ez instagib' capabilities of other Psykers, but Ahriman should completely outclass him in terms of actual capability.

>>51185325
Kinda the point of the conversation, Anon, Tigurius has just happened to be able to do all of this stuff by being a ridiculously gifted Chief Librarian, while another ridiculously gifted Psyker with supernatural buffs, many times the experience and much more knowledge apparently isn't outclassing him in fluff for no reason other than he just doesn't.

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>>51185336
No.

>>51185340
This lore goes back to the original Tyranid writers, it's a thousand times better than anything shat out in the Cruddace era.

>>51185325
>>Can't find a library after searching for 10,000 years
Well he's found it a couple of times now. As of WoM he has a map of the webway stolen from there that allows him to travel to Fenris when ever he wants. Dont worry the SW fans this will never be followed up on ;^)

How do guys think rounds of combat are in the actual lore? is it all just the same day that the battle takes place or is each round a seperate day/week?

>>51185206
Right, but I only have one Coteaz. If I take the Agents version I can't have servo skulls, and if I take the Inquisition version I can't have Obsec.

>>51185334
It's just too fiddly and probably not worth it.

There are a ton of other ways to fix Tyranids that would be more elegant and more effective.

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>>51185352


Stupidity aside how do we waac the fuck out of this formation? Personally beside the funny 5+ respawn I think it needs too much stuff for it to be abuse

>>51185367
I should clarify. I have the Coteaz model, but I only want to take one INQUISITOR.

100th Duncan!
https://youtu.be/5nWv_WcpUZA

>>51185366
Actual engagements in the TT take no more than 10 seconds a turn, it's not entirely fluff-accurate but bodies start dropping fast in these kinds of engagements with this level of technology, Anon. Remember that a 20,000 points apocalypse battle, providing you don't use Eldar/Space Marine variants and take a pure lore-list, is a standard-issue engagements in the fluff.

>>51185366
Each game is about four hours, with opposing armies waiting still for their turn. Guardsmen who don't go to the bathroom BEFORE a battle get written up.

>>51185351
>no reason other than he just doesn't.
Because Ahriman is too focused on becoming the Chaos God of Dust.

>>51185380
The fuck is a gyrinx?

>>51185093

Then have the 6++ and returning units be independent of synapse.

Or make everything far cheaper than it is now (Maleceptors need a 50% reduction in cost if nothing else changes) so there's a chance to make a horde.

>>51185095
Wrong. Gorgon was unique in it being the most adapative hive fleet. No other hive fleet ever possessed its powers. This means the Tau are more adaptive than 99% of the Hive fleets.

>>51185366
is each round a seperate day/week?
>Dear diary
>This week I turned on my flashlight for a few seconds
>Then I got stabbed exactly once
>The orks are still in base contact, one is actually reading this over my shoulder
>He'll be here until next friday, which is when we'll try to stab each other again
>Looks like it takes about a week for the Wyvern to reload its one shot, hope it doesn't splash onto me this time

>>51185366
>or is each round a seperate day/week?
What? What the fuck?

How are you even asking something this ridiculous?

Do you really believe it takes a day for a Rhino to drive around a single building and unload its troops? Let alone a fucking WEEK?

>>51185324
Well, I play Admech and I too like Knights and junk. But realistically they only have a fair spot in games over 1500 points, and if you're taking the War Convocation, you're adhering to the meta and are playing to win, against someone else that's playing to win. It's built to compete with the power armies like Eldar and Wolves. Or well, that's the intended purpose I imagine.

Start small. Don't get carried away and try to have fun without the War Convocation.

>>51185410
0/10. It was old 3 years ago.

>>51185399
Quick google search says it's an Eldar cat familiar. Probably a "sneek-peek" into a new release.

>>51185112
Ahriman couldn't damage Be'lakor in a mage fight. Ahriman sucks. imo.

Also he was taken out by a single flying Thunderhammer to the side.

>>51185419
Rhino driving is a union job

>>51185410
>Gorgon was unique in it being the most adapative hive fleet.

There's literally a part of that blurb that says the Tyranids might have just been adapting more often because their enemies were changing up themselves, which is a reasonable assumption. If we're not allowed to take that sort of statement as evidence then we also have no evidence to suggest that the Tau were as adaptable as the Tyranids.

>>51185399
One of the rumour models ya git

>>51185399
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gyrinx

>>51185419
sorry wasn't thinking very much when i posed the question. Was just trying to clarify something i guess you are right in that it wouldn't make sense.

>>51185417
I cant stop laughing at this

>>51185423
>0/10.

Bitch please. Open the Tyranid 7th ED codex. It says that Gorgon adaptation was the best among all encountered hive fleets before and since.

If the Tau ran with Gorgon on an even level adaptation-wise, then the other Hive Fleets stand no chance.

>>51184035
>overpriced MEQ with no high S, the list

>>51185378
Thanks for clarifying, I was just going to start calling you names.

But basically when you play Castellans detachment, you start with -100pts. Because you take Coteaz. Always.

>>51185452
Yeah sure thing mang. Really top stuff.

>>51185401
There is literally no need for a 6++ on basic non-Zoey-tier Tyranids that doesn't even make sense.

There are a thousand other fixes nids need, points adjustments won't do shit. People need to stop doing this retarded blanket band-aid "lol just give them this thing that doesn't even make sense" or "lol just make everything cheaper but leave it unable to actually fulfill it's role."

>>51185442
All Hive Fleets are adaptive. Gorgon was just the best of them at doing it. That's it. It's not hard to understand.

The Tau faced literally the most adaptive hive fleet ever and they managed to give it a run for its money. The other hive fleets can't compete.

>>51185377
I'm not really a WAAC-off type, but honestly I don't think it is quite strong enough for it vs Eldar and Cult mech, white scars might be able to cheese it with respawning bikes en masse, but 5+ is just too unreliable without masses of units. I'm not really sure what the major strengths are yet. Hatred could be nice for mass suicide infantry, but I almost think Deathkorps would do it better.

>>51185417
>His name is Pork from the Bad Moons Clan
>He's actually quite calm now that we called battle for the week. We've been talking about our hopes and dreams
>I told him about my wife and kids
>He's been stockpiling teeth and almost has enough for a snazzgun
>Says he's almost big enough to try for being his Mob's Nob. If he survives until the end of the battle (at least a month)
>I kinda hope he does.
>but I got to go, he invited me and my unit to a game of blood bowl vs his mob

>>51185380
Oh Duncan you troll, thats unreleased miniature.

>>51185417
>Dear Diary
>Reinforcements are coming
>I can see them
>There's a Chimera about ten yards from me
>It's been idling there for three days now
>The Ork won't stop calling me a git
>I really hope the Chimera hurries up

>>51185452
>If the Tau ran with Gorgon on an even level adaptation-wise, then the other Hive Fleets stand no chance.
Except they didn't. They lost over two dozen planets and were slaughtered in every engagement. They were practically on the verge of extinction and the Imperium bailed them out.

>>51185433
>Ahriman couldn't damage Be'lakor in a mage fight.
Retarded fluff surrounding Be'lakor? Surprising stuff.

>>51185464
I know, right? So can we all agree that the Tau are more adaptive than the Nids? good.

>>51185433

Most things get taken out by a thunderhammer. That's kinda the point of a thunderhammer. To allow a dude to shatter tanks or monstrous creatures.

>>51184959
>>51185015
This is what's going to happen.

>>51185095
He's talking about a story from the 5th edition codex where Cruddace gave the Tau a sloppy blowjob by describing, in painful detail, how the Tau baited the Tyranids into maladapting to every situation so they could be blown away at the Tau's leisure.

It was something like "The Tau first attacked with small arms and then retreated to a fortified position. The Tyranids evolved larger, heavier armor, but the Tau anticipated that and had long range, armor-piercing weapons ready."

Every time the Tyranids adapt to a current situation, they find the Tau a step ahead and already occupying a niche that directly counters the Nids. Or in other words the Tau were more flexible and faster adapting than the Tyranids, who for some reason evolved away all their speed and stealth the minute it was convenient for the Tau for them to do that. The Tyranids were slaughtered in that story.

That was in the Nid codex, mind. Cruddace writes about the Nids getting fucked to death in their own book.

>>51183310
>>51183349
If i want to run it i need to spend at least 235 europoor coins in scions

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>51185500
Say it again Anon say it again.

>>51185380
Hahaha. Clever.

I guess that pretty much confirms the rumours about the Eldar getting their own "Triumvirate" box of new heroes, then?

>>51185537
yup

>>51185518
All that fluff was overwritten in the following Codex which has a long timeline of Gorgon BTFOing the Tau at literally every opportunity up until they get their asses saved by the Imperium at Kel'shan.

>>51185448
I fucking want one, I don't even like elves and I want one.

>>51185496
Wrong on three accounts. One, the fighting was in a single Sept as in a single system. The Tau have dozens of systems. Losing one system is hardly on the "verge of extinction".

Two, the Tau figured out Gorgon's weakness and this began to turn the tides of the war. The Hive Fleet would have been defeated even without the Imperial assistance. it just would have taken a longer time and cost more lives.

Three, they did. It was Gorgon's numbers that were overwhelming the Tau of the Kel'shan Sept. The Tau can adapt to the Tyranid armour and weaponry but the numbers were another thing.

>>51185518

Mind you, I'll admit I do prefer 'The nids need to make sacrifices for adaptation' rather than how most fiction treads adaption as magic costless 'It won't work on me twice'

>>51185537
Let's be real - the consistency of leaks lately screams controlled leaks, as in teasers

>>51185448
Cool to see another thing pulled from the Rogue Trader fluff.

>>51185518
Worst of all. If I recall that story correct. The Tau make it a cycle aka shifting back to small arms fire > anti armour and the Tyranids make THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN, trying the EXACT same tactics that failed the first time

>>51185551
You

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>>51185556
>>51185551

>>51185556
>Wrong on three accounts. One, the fighting was in a single Sept as in a single system
The Codex literally states "lost dozens of worlds" in no ambiguous language. Pretty much those exact words. I'm not even going to read the rest of your post if you can't get facts straight and are just going to make up bullshit to suit your bait arguments.

>>51185551
This, the new Codex doesn't even mention Tau adaptability nor makes comparisons, it just has examples of them using different weapons against the bioforms that had adapted against them.

>>51185518
Have the Nids ever shown any semblance of foresight? Genuinely asking, I know very little Nid fluff.

From what it sounds like, they just start off by sending whatever, then the next wave is specialized against what they encountered, and so on.

This is a retarded strategy. Unless your entire army is literally a single type of unit, it sounds like even a child could beat the Nids. You always know exactly what they're going to send next wave.

>>51185556
Carnac in the flesh. Eat a dick homo.

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>>51185481
Well Bike Troops can't be use.

Why do people have trouble following the list of the formation.

Do you see bikes? Terminators? No

>>51185569
Yes I see your outdated fluff, it doesn't apply anymore. Read the 6th edition timeline of Gorgon vs Tau.

ELDAR SUPER FACTION CONFIRMED!

Eldar Corsair with Gyrinx mini CONFIRMED!

>>51185481
Force org modifications don't work with Castellan.

>>51185571
And the codex says the fighting was in the Kel'shan sept. Whatever worlds that was consumed before coming to the sept must have been colonies or newly settled worlds. We have picture of the area nommed by Gorgon. It didn't even breach to the Tau core septs. Who are you trying to fool.

Also consider yourself losing the argument by ignoring the rest of the post.

>>51185587
>Unless your entire army is literally a single type of unit, it sounds like even a child could beat the Nids.
If you know exactly what your opponent is bringing does that still mean your army can hold a candle to theirs? Not necessarily.

Nids adaptation is an advantage on top of the fact that they're already hyper-evolved hyper-efficient predators on a macro-cosmic scale which often eradicate well-defended planets with just the first wave.

>>51185615
We End Times: Khaine now?

>>51185325
>NPC faction jobs, more news at 11
The hive mind is a joke, come back when he's done something impressive.

>>51185587
Nids generally win by retarded oversaturation to the point that even if a child could defeat them tactically, no force could hold out for that long on sheer weight of numbers.

What's sent out first is generally 1. Infiltration force of genestealers long in advance, 2. Lictors to supplement them and hopefully cut the heads of the resistance, then 3. Whatever the Hive Fleet specializes in. In Leviathan's case, it's aerial units, gargoyles, flyrants, etc. in Behemoth's case, it's gigantic gant swarms, so on and so forth.

>>51185461
So basically don't tare servo skulls and work around the deep strike problems.

Okay...I'm thinking Auger Arrays on my Leman Russes (they're durable enough to stay on the field long enough to make a difference) and put the Scions in a Flyer Wing of Vendettas to make sure they all come on at once.

>yfw 9 twin-linked lascannons come onto the board in a flight pattern that gives them Tank Hunters/Ignores Cover, then shit out 3 squads of Stormtroopers with Melta/plasma that have Obsec and won't go away after you kill them
>meanwhile TORQUEMADA hands out buffs and Leadership to a gunline in the back, and if you deepstrike near him you eat 50 bodies' worth of full-BS shooting
>also DEMOLISHERS
>Or maybe LRBTs/Exterminators with Lascannons n Multi-Meltas for versatility?

>>51185594
Omission =/= retconning.

Try again.

>>51185377
Coteaz Makes it competitive I think. Without him it's not that great.

>>51185633
>Carnac thinks anyone cares that they are considered """losing""" the argument for ignoring his autism

>>51185654
>responds poorly to the first point
>ignores the rest
>not lost the argument

Begone.

>>51185592
Probably because
>The Red Brethren: Any army which includes Tyberos may take a single Terminator Assault squad entirely armed with lightning claws as a Troops choice.

There's no reason that Red Brethren shouldn't work.

>>51184209
Phil Kelly should write all the codexes

>>51185650
Lmao are you retarded? the fuck kind of shitty argument is that? Not even that guy but wow.

rep info:

new 2 eldar models:

- Iyanna Arienal
- Prince Yriel

>>51185587
Yeah, in the 4th edition stuff the Nids were startling cunning, and it took everybody by surprise on a regular basis. In the original "Anphelion Project" the Imperium managed to capture a bunch of non-synapse Nids and tried to study them. They watched them pass through a generation and while at first their evolutions seemed kind of random, they pretty quickly realized they were all developing concerted strategies to escape captivity.

One cell block evolved astonishing camouflage and had the habit of holding still or tying to hide constantly, so it became difficult for researchers to keep track of how many Nids there even were in there or when they were laying eggs.

Eventually there was a Hive Tyrant on the planet. I don't remember how it happened, but either the Nids managed to attract one from Space or they made a new one from plain old Nid sex. After that the entire area was organized and all the abilities they'd adapted to deal with captivity became a nightmare. The Nids got loose, combined their specialties, and ate everything.

Post-Cruddace the Nids really aren't that smart and they lose a lot of their threat potential. They start jobbing a lot to prove how cool other factions are for beating them.

>>51185636
Well he is half Eldar

>>51185634
>Nids adaptation is an advantage on top of the fact that they're already hyper-evolved hyper-efficient predators on a macro-cosmic scale which often eradicate well-defended planets with just the first wave.
Well, that's just it. If your army can't even deal with the first wave, the adaptations are just pointless overkill.
But if your army CAN deal with the first wave, then you know exactly how to hardcounter the next wave since their strategy is childlike.

It sounds like the first wave exclusively is what decides the outcome of the battle, unless you fuck up and force them to play armor when you don't have anti-armor or something.

>>51185687
Each codex omits some stuff that can before it. It doesn't mean that the stuff was retconned.

Unless something was specifically overwritten, it goes.

>>51185694
Who's worse in their faction-asskissery? Cruddace or Ward?

>>51185641
>meanwhile, anytime GW tries to shed light on how they work, retards yell "THATS NOT THE POINT OF TYRANIDS YOU ARE RUINING THEM!!!"

I just want an adaptable alien monster race that also has a horrifying hive mind beyond comprehension. Anytime we get any light shed on how they work, people sperg out and it sucks

>>51185714
In your opinion ;^)

Honestly you seem like a very special individual. I can just tell.

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Hoo boy. A Gyrinx.

>>51185722
Cruddace is malicious to factions he dislikes
>See Tyranids and Tomb Kings

Ward is an ascended fanboy and has solid crunch that is balanced amongst itself, but considered strong when compared to other writers (tho considering 6e/7e Tau and Eldar it would probably be on par). Awful fluff

>>51185692
Unless it's Vect or new Drazhar i really don't care

>Orks+Necrons+Eldar+humans+Tau are allying against Chaos

That leaves the Tyranids. What are they going to do or what is anyone going to do about them? They seem ignored in the gathering of the story

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So. I guess that second Eldar triumvirate is real.

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>>51184342
>Declining sales
>when recently was show that 50k basically saved GW of a horrible year because AoS
>40k is totally losing to AoS
>this is what AoS fags actually believe
Are you stupid?

>>51185743
Ain't an opinion. If we go by your logic, then there is no fluff build up in 40K.

Also AD HOM!

>>51185728
One of the reasons I like the Ciaphas Cain books. By virtue of Cain pretty much always escaping by the skin of his teeth, the nids are genuinely dangerous in every book they show up in.

>in his very first engagement the entire company he's with gets COMPLETELY wrongfooted by a swarm and only manage to avoid being meat by sheer luck
>pretty much every time thereafter he treats them as extremely dangerous and constantly reminds the readers that purestrain Genestealers can rip TERMINATORS to shreds
It's refreshing.

>>51185770
50k?

>>51185770
The new report says they are getting good sales in all fronts. AoS, 40K, 30K.

>>51185675
Again read the list. Are those there guy in the list?
No
Stop trying to cheat

>>51185773
You mean if we go buy a twisted version that you can strawman. But do it keep giving me (You)s. In fact I'd like another.

>>51185760
Theyll eat baal then a couple other undefended world and then get btfo by chaos or something.

>>51185798
What are you even saying? You seem flustered.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdpQeKRdcB8
Oh god fuck this meta atm

So I just checked the WH twitch stream. Has the AdMech vs Tzeentch daemon game already happened or?

>>51184460
Everything was designed around Magnus himself, I'm not surprised at all, TS are glorified chaos GK equivalent, a small force of psyker elite units.

>>51185722
Oh, Ward was so much worse. Ward writes like a child trying to explain why his favorite guys all have special wizard armor that blocks bullets and gives them mind rays. This is a setting where people really do have wizard armor and mind rays, so you have to get pretty stupid and over the top to pass into "What the fuck, that's too much" territory, but Ward went there. In the 5th edition Marine codex, every one of the Ultramarine's characters was the "best" in the universe at whatever their job was - it didn't matter what that job was nor the capabilities of other races. Then don't even get thinking about Draigo, because there was a Marine who hung out in the Warp kicking its ass from the inside.

Cruddace's problem was that he seemed to like the down to earth factions, like Tau and Guard, and on the tabletop he seemed to have a real issue with Nids because of Nidzilla. Nidzilla was hard to kill because at that time, you couldn't get more than three heavy units unless you were Nids, in which case you could have six. Very few lists packed enough heavy-hitting heat to deal with that until 5th edition buffed vehicles and made the heavy armor more widely available.

You could tell Cruddace hated everything about Nids when he nerfed the Lictor. Jesus Christ. The Lictor was this poor bastard step-child that everyone agreed was cool but useless, and he removed its ability to ambush units. It drives me crazy that the things now appear, but have to wait a turn while the enemy douses them with a flamer before they can attack. How is that a surprise attack if the enemy gets a whole round to react to them?

>>51185789
Same logic is they (or bikes) aren't listed as Troop choices for Space Marines
Thus any Space Marine player that has used Bike troops / LC Terminators have been cheating for years

Good job anon we've uncovered the SM Cheating Syndicate!

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>>51185745
>finished gyrinx
>he didn't do the collar or bracelets

Damn GW, you don't have to lead us so hard we know you got fun things planned and designed.