MTG LEGACY GENERAL

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FIRST FOR JUNK IS NOT BORING

Post your deck's theme song and others guess which is it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBIBJTUDc4Y

>>51164146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oe7Q8OCm5I

>>51164146
This has to be some sort of turn 1 combo, I'll take Oops, since I don't think have many Belcher degenerates around these parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUXuQ6Zd9w

>>51164089
Fair decks? In MY format? It's more likely than you think! Click here to find HOT MAGIC SINGLES near YOU!

How's it going legacy friends?

I just got a new job, and I'll actually be able to afford to build a legacy deck. Now, I have a very large collection of singles, because I'm a commander player, but I have absolutely no quality lands or playsets, so I'll pretty much be starting from scratch.

What deck should I build? What decks are fun to play? I don't know a heck of a lot about the format, but I like big numbers, efficiency, and versatility. I've been tinkering around with a doomsday build in EDH, so I know all about various doomsday piles and using necropotence, but that's about all I've. Any suggestion will work, I just want to completely skip Standard/Modern degeneracy, and y'all seem very nice.

>>51164647
>big numbers
>efficiency
>versatility
Sounds like you might be a 12 Post, Reanimator, or Sneak and Show player.

>>51164146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYuPTchNcfs

>>51164647
Doomsday in legacy is great fun and will keep you interested forever, but many piles are quite a bit different than their EDH counterparts. But you should still play it because it's tons of fun.

>>51164660
>Reanimator
I googled a list, and this looks like something I could actually throw together. I actually have some of the cards, like Elesh Norn and Iona, and I've built various reanimator decks in EDH quite extensively.

Next question, if I do sink like $2k into this deck, would it really be worth it? I'm a budget jank-master so it seems to run a little counterproductive to my instincts, but if it's fun and playable with other people, I'd be more than happy to set it up.

>>51164741
Is there a quality guide on building legacy doomsday? Do you still make a pile and labman yourself? I'm not as familiar with the extremely powerful removal in this format, so it seems a little... fragile for my liking.

>>51164806
You can run a budget Reanimator by going BR instead of UB. It'll save you plenty of money on the landbase. BR sacrifices durability and resilience for explosiveness, so if you're okay with that, go for BR. I think UB is around $2k but BR should be around $900 maximum.

>>51164866
>BR reanimator
>$900
Sweet Moses Malone, that sounds perfect. Do you have a list I could look at? I could probably build that shit with my first pay cheque. Are there any other fun budget lists I should be aware of? I have pretty reasonable google-fu, but basically everything I find is around $2k to assemble.

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>>51164806
While the Eternal Masters set + SCG stopping weekly Legacy coverage have caused prices for a few things to drop a bit, overall legacy is a pretty great investment. I have bought into and sold a few decks over the past 8 years or so, and never lost money. If you sink 2k into a deck now, in 2 years if you xecide to pick something else up, you should easily be able to cash out for at least that much, most likely more.

>>51164121
I will never understand people who come into Legacy and play stuff like Junk, Jund, or Maverick. This is a format where you can draw your whole deck turn 1, reanimate any creature with free counterspell backup, make 300 mana and Blue Suns Zenith someones while deck, get storm counts over 30, lock people out of playing magic, cast Armageddon, break suspend cards with Shardless Agent, play Dredge in all its glory, and so on, yet peeple want to drop $2k to play 2/1 First Strikers for 2 cmc and 4/5's for 4 cmc. Its like goimg to a buffet and just eating some oatmeal.

>>51164943
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-black-red-reanimator#online

here u go f@m

>>51164943
http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=32&meta=39&f=LE

>play Parfait
>utter silence
No one has ever been intrigued by this deck.

>>51164806
Doomdsay in legacy (sometimes known as Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils or DDFT) is primarily a storm deck, with lab man as a backup plan.
>is there a quality guide for ddft
Well not really. The mtgsalvation primer is decent for a starting point but the deck is deep and it really just scratches the surface. There are whole forums dedicated to the deck if you'd like to sift through them. You can also take an existing list as a starting point and just play it and lose a lot until you start to get the hang of it. This is my baseline list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/baseline-ddft/
>fragility
It is nowhere near as fragile as it looks if you know what you're doing. In fact of all the storm variants it is arguaby the best at playing through hate. The tradeoff for this is a very slight speed decrease and a sharp increase in difficulty of play.

2nd place at GP louisville the other day
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14415&d=286247&f=LE

and yeah, 2k is about average price for most legacy decks. there are some cheaper things like burn. LED dredge is also very reasonable. I think eldrazi (currently a top deck) is right around 1k, possibly less depending on what deals you can find.

>>51164976
>>51164943

>>51164949
>If you sink 2k into a deck now, in 2 years if you xecide to pick something else up, you should easily be able to cash out for at least that much, most likely more.
I'm sold. I was an idiot and bought into the whole Theros/Tarkir/BFZ nonsense, then when the prices crashed as things rotated, I almost quit magic all together because I didn't understand what happened. As long as I can get most of my money back, it's worth it in my opinion, I just didn't want to spend enough for a cheap car on cardboard, only to have it become totally worthless on me within 5 years.

>>51164962
>>51164966
Thanks anons, I'll take a look through the lists and see what I can throw together, but from what I've seen so far, I actually have a lot of stuff that I'd need, other than the landbase.

Now, the 12 lands thing is setting my 'tism off, because I'm used to 36-40, but I'm sure with practice I can figure out how things work, and since it's a t1 combo deck from the sounds of things, it should be fine.

>>51164973
I think Doomsday is going to be my backup plan. I'm going to have to do a lot of research to really understand the interactions, and based on your suggestions, it seems like something I'm going to have to bang my head against until I figure it out. Give me time anon, I might come around.

>>51164976
>Eldrazi
>$1K
Oh man oh man, I could maybe build that? I have an eye of ugin, all the titans, a shiny eldrazi temple, and a few bits-and-pieces hanging around. The list I saw mainboards Endbringer, and I don't quite understand what's happening. It seems a little... winmore unless there's something I'm completely missing. Either way, I had almost the entire list outside of the manabase, so I think I could maybe build this deck AND the BR reanimator one this pay.

>>51164949
Because I can't play goyf + SFM or bob + library in modern. And memerange has it's own charms. winning against the cheese decks you mentioned with what most consider "fair" magic provides a satisfying play experience.

I find the minor things like how to sequence dropping my hate and pressure during the early turns where it matters most to be challenging. Do I drop goyf and apply pressure or cast hymn to tourach? do I leave up abrupt decay mana or try to slam lotv?

Every game feels intense when your opponent can go 0 to 100 in one turn and you have no stack interaction. Then sometimes you have hilarious games like when your opponent has the turn 2 show and tell dropping emrakul so you deluge for 15 and win off of lingering souls

>>51165076
endbringer is for the long grindy games because it draws cards. drawing 2 cards per turn in a deck full of fat ass bombs is pretty gud

>>51165076
Eldrazi is more of a aggro deck, runs a tone of lands that tap for 2 mana, so a 2 drop is your turn 1 play, 4 drop is turn 2, etc. Dent expect to hardcast any kf the big guys like ULamog with it though.

As far as # of lands, you need to look at the number of mana sources instead. The GP list runs 12 lands, 4 Lotus Petals and 2 Mox, for 18 mana sources, + a playset of Dark Ritual.

>>51165101
Do your thing, Im happy peiple play those decks because it makes Legacy more diverse. Theyre just not my thing when there are so many other options.

>>51165101
>winning against the cheese decks you mentioned with what most consider "fair" magic provides a satisfying play experience.
my nigga

>>51164227
Lmao holy shit what the fuck is this from?

>>51164976
Isn't hatebears the cheapest deck in the format from a long-term standpoint because it runs literally 0 reserved list cards? The biggest outlay you have is Karakas at what, 80? Wastelands are 35, Vial is 15...

>>51165076
Well if you ever have questions about DDFT, I'm happy to bloviate about the deck forever. It's pretty much the only legacy deck I play.

>>51165469
Its still nowhwre near the cheapest, all those $15 cards add up. Its also the most vulnerable to price drops from reprints, so its the least safe investment financially.

>>51164146
https://youtu.be/dzq6Q-43Tpc

>>51164146
>deck 1
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fO4iR9EhJv4
>deck 2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0E-LeLk6ZXg

>>51165614

Deck 1 is miracles and deck 2 is some kind of combo, probably belcher or oops

>>51165878
I bet it 's SI

>>51165308
>Opponent tries to Brainstorm
>Point to Trinisphere
>They sac the fetches they were gonna use to shuffle away cards to pay
>Look a little flustered
>Point to the Chalice on 1
>Opponent is visibly upset and puts the Brainstorm in GY
>Untap, Wasteland one of the Duals they fetched without thinking
>Beat for 5 with a Lodestone Golem
No better feeling.

>>51165958
Sir are you trying to imply that trinisphere, chalice, and lodestone golem are fair?

>>51166035
As fair as can be! They affect both players :^)

>>51165958
>opponent fetches jitte with mystic
>call judge
>point to leonin arbiter

M I R R O R
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>>51165958
I dunno.

>Opponents first tunr on the draw, drops a dual into Glistener Elf/Noble Hierarch/Deathrite
>Play Swamp, Smallpox his whole entire turn 1 away, + a card from his hand.
>Opponent plays fetch, gets basic Island, plays Brainstorm, sighs and slumps shoulders, passes back.
>Sinkhole
>Laugh
>Pox is love
I dont even care if its a teir 2 deck, Sinkholing someones only basic Island in their entire deck is a special kind of torture.

>>51166035
Are you telling me you don't pay mana for your spells and think thats fair?

Where do you guys stand on opponents who clearly don't understand interactions? The number of players I've seen paying tax effects on top of Trinisphere is staggering. It hurts me a little inside every time I have to tell then their spells cost less mana, but I know it's probably the right move.

>>51166185
you don't have to tell them. as long as you're not intentionally misrepresenting, it's fine.

the rules-lawyery way to answer the question 'do i have to pay sphere of resistance on brainstorm with trinisphere out' is 'sphere of resistance says you pay one more and trinisphere says you have to pay three'

both of those statements are correct and worded the way that the effects layer when determining the total casting cost of a brainstorm with sphere of resistance and trinisphere in play.

>>51166185
I let my opponents make mistakes. how do I know they're not floating mana for something else when they overpay like you described? it's not my job to play the game for them.

>>51166185
I'm just doing what the cards say officer.

>>51166339
"Sir, do you know why I pulled you over?"
"You were doing 0 in a 3 Mana zone"

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>>51166418
>mfw judge dqs me for doing 0 in a 3 mana zone

>>51164949
I dunno man, thalia and stoneforge mystic are pretty fun to play.

>>51165469
Prices for paper or? If so Rishadan port is at 80€, vial at 30€ and karakas at 40€. I'd say manaless dredge is cheaper.

>I play RB Reanimator
>never draw anything that allows me to reanimate or constantly fucked by FoW/counter play
>I watch someone else play RB Reanimator
>they always go off turn 1 or 2 and are never interrupted or opponent never has spot removal

Fuck everything.

>>51167258
You should try not being bad at magic

>>51165310
few years ago cartoon network tried to revive the looney toon series. it was like a cartoon version of seinfeld, most of the internet hated it. Personally I liked it, I had a kek and a lel at the episode when daffy joined the marines, but it was canceled after like, 2 seasons. because everyone was upset that it wasn't just the same old wacky XD so randum cartoon it was in the fucking 60s

They made a few music videos centered around the characters in the show and played them as commercials.

>>51167258
Sounds like you need to mulligan better.

>>51164292
Belcher is love, Belcher is life.

Might as well ask here and bump the thread: anyone knows if there will be coverage of GP lousville? I'd love to watch some legacy.

>>51169638
Lol. GP Nocoverage already happened. No video coverage. Written coverage was 1 shitty article with a pic of someone lightning bolting a Griselbrand with a caption about how only legacy gets that crazy. Only released decklists down to like top 16 or top 32. Literally the qorst coverage of any major MTG event i have ever seen.

Guys, I need to make a tough decision.

Cephalid Breakfast
Alluren
Leovold Nicfit
or Solidarity?

>>51169771
Leovold.

>>51164949
I will never understand people that can't have fun with fair, interactive decks.

>>51164146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLG1ys2CGcI

>>51169762
Ah, that sucks. Seems like a weird decission to be honest.

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>>51169798
LAND TAPPIN
CREATURE CASTIN
SORCERY SPEEDIN
COMBAT PHASEN

>>51169771
Solidarity. Always.

>>51169798
I have fun with normal fair decks. I think Pox fits that definition, it has no crazy combos or hard locks, it just a variant of mono black control preys on greedy manabases.

My point was that I couldnt ever see myself playing something like Jund, because why play what is essentially 95% a Modern deck with one or two upgrades, when there is such a huge number of archetypes that have no equivalent outside of Legacy.

I like playing hatebearsish stuff in Modern. I'm also happy other people play that stuff because that just adds even more potential decks I may get to play against. If you want to eat oatmeal every day good on you. Im going to have sushi and steak and fried chicked and so on.

>>51169835
High Tide? It's High Tide.

>>51164647
>How's it going legacy friends?
Great!

I haven't played legacy for years, but I always check the event locator. Finally had a hit and went to a 20-man event with Eldrazi. I lost 1-2 to Turbo Depths and then slaughtered Burn and UW Miracles.

That store is going to have legacy every week, so I'm really happy that legacy has finally returned to my state (Utah).

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>>51164227
This looks like the shit that the manchild in our office sends me from time to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Faw4mj1Vfo

>>51170573

I would've thought this would be the one for High Tide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7srmGm_sZE

>>51164089
Brainstorming in your upkeep with a Sylvan Library down seems like a judge's worst nightmare.

>>51171635
Why is that?

>>51171315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZDstZ1-EAI

High Tide.

>>51171635
With Chains of Mephistopheles in play.

>>51171671
Because the player could put back cards drawn from Brainstorm to Sylvan Library's ability, so he'd need to keep up to 6 cards separate from his "hand". Enforcing something like that to players who don't know what you're talking about is going to be a headache.

>>51171695
I'm no rules guru, but wouldn't those triggers be processed separately?

>>51171695
So if I understand this correctly, the player would have to separate the three cards drawn with the brainstorm, then put two cards back, and then sylvan library triggers in your drawstep and you could choose two of the three cards drawn with brainstorm too?

>>51171716
>Using the word "trigger" randomly
You're right, you're no rules guru. Sylvan Library states you can put back any cards drawn this turn. Brainstorm drew you 3 cards which would all need to be separate to the cards you didn't draw this turn if you wanted to put any back to Sylvan Library.

The catch? This means your opponent potentially gets free information as to what you did with your Brainstorm, and they can act on this before Sylvan Library's trigger resolves as they must pass priority for the trigger to resolve.

This guy >>51171686 is just a straight up asshole. I've notified my L2 of my interest in becoming an L1, and I ain't dealing with this shit.

>>51171764
Yes

>>51171789
>Using the word "trigger" randomly
I meant two items on the stack. The Library trigger and the Brainstorm effect.

But I just tried it on MODO and now I get it and see why it's an issue.

Have any examples of where the free info would really matter?

>>51171686
Does that mean you have to make potentially three piles? Brainstorm, chain triggers three times you discard three, draw three. Then drawstep, you draw your first card and don't have to discard it. Then you draw two more and have to discard draw again and then you have to put up to two back. or am I missing something?

Does anyone even play chains?

>>51172238
After a Git Probe or Duress or something where you saw their hand. Especially if you're playing Cabal Therapy, you know at least some live targets to call still.

>>51172328
Chains treats "draw x" as seperate draws, so
>cast brainstorm
>discard, draw, discard, draw, discard, draw
>keep new cards in seperate pile
>put 2 cards on top of your deck
>draw 1 card
>discard, draw, discard, draw
>these cards in a third pile
>optionally put 2 cards from either new piles back on top (or pay 4 for each you dont). It is very possible you discarded all but the last card you drew, in which case you would either put that card back or pay 8.

Im not a judge, so dont quote me.

>>51170288
>pox
ftfy

>>51173383
What?

Next time a judge thread comes up ask him what he thinks of library

>>51164146
>buddy's deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3ub1SUYfg
>my deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHWeViFmA8

>>51164660
>>51164647
There really should be more 12 post players. I mean, who dosnt like shitting on miracles AND casting big dudes? Also can somone try and sell me on U/G post? I just play the green version. I tried the U/G build online but it just felt like it was trying to do to much.

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>tfw I get bullied by miracles
Why do they always have exactly what they need?

>>51176092
Fetchlands are like drawing 3 cards for us. Pair that with brainstorms and ponders and we get a pretty good percentage of our decks seen per game. It's why we can afford to run so many 1-ofs in side and main.

Scrubbed it up at the game store tonight.

>2-0 vs ANT
>new player, didn't really know what he was doing with the deck and I had iona early each game

>1-2 Miracles
>g1 I have turn 1 iona. G2 im too slow and he had jtms ready for iona and I don't recover. g3 surgical snap surgical wrecks me, die to snap beats

>1-1 miracles (ran out of time)
>I have turn 1 iona and he scoops. G2 karakas bounces iona, griselbrand and iona are dead in the water. Blow an exhume on griselbrand anyway and draw 14, don't find any of my needles or a non-legendary to shit out. G3 surgical and snap and karakas again, at the end I got him to 5 life with tidespout tyrant and he finds terminus before my last turn.

>0-2 BUG TNN
>g1 mull to 5 and keep garbage hand because I'm tired of shuffling. G2 get blown out by surgical and lose counter fight then wait for death's sweet embrace

How is it a deck can always goldfish boss hands but I always get garbo when I sit down to play. Also something crazy was how I consistently never drew anything I sideboarded, even in long games. Half my deck was in my graveyard and I didn't see a single needle or abrupt decay in any of the relevant match ups

Little disappointed my only win was against someone who actually don't know how to play their deck

>>51177742
Variance is real senpai dont let it get you down. But do try to think about ways you could have played/built better. Could you perhaps have mulliganed more aggressively for those sideboard cards? Maybe your sideboard is unfocused and you should put in more of certain cards?

Went 2-2 tonight. Punted round 1 game 1 to burn (cracked LED for black instead of red, I could have dug up PiF to combo out without need ad naus) and lost game two to turn 2 eidolon turn 3 eidolon (with turn 4 pyrostatic pillar coming)

Round 2 was against BR Reanimator, he just never found an entomb either game.

Round 3 was Sultai Delver, game 1 he didn't find any countermagic. game 2 he goes turn 1 relic of progenitus, I go turn 1 carpet of flowers, use the mana to pay for a spell pierce and then flusterstorm his flusterstorm, and 16 goblins get the job done.

Round 4 against Eldrazi, he gets turn 1 double mimic, turn 2 smasher, turn 3 smasher. Game 2 I mull to five to find a first land, but manage to therapy out a double chalice hand. Still can't get past runner-runner oblivion sowers.

Definitely going to cut xantid swarm, adding a 2nd surgical and a 2nd echoing truth. Any other thoughts?

Am I one of the last players alive who just makes his own decks and plays for fun?

>>51178084
I tried that, Esper-deathblade- ad nauseum- miracles

Shit was fun and so bad

>>51165958
This is the reason why Stax is my favorite Legacy deck. You made me proud, son.

>>51178084
Not at all. That's just what I use commander for. Fun casual decks for fun casual formats, srsbsns competitive decks for srsbsns competitive formats.

>>51178084

I'd love to brew something, but I feel like without the chance to test much and with a limited card pool I'll be in the perpetual 0-X bracket.

Been theorizing a Gifts Ungiven storm deck, but it's in the early, early stages of development and appears to be going nowhere fast.

>>51177972

>Definitely going to cut xantid swarm, adding a 2nd surgical and a 2nd echoing truth. Any other thoughts?

I definitely agree that Xantid's not worth it. Every time I tried it, it ate a Force (not terrible, but not fantastic, either). Though it's the only answer to a ridiculously stacked hand, that's really the only thing I feel like it does well.

I have a pretty divergent opinion about Echoing Truth from that of most of the Storm community. People keep telling me Hurkyl's is too narrow because it only hits artifacts, but I feel like Echoing Truth is too narrow because it doesn't hit targets with differing names. So Chalice-Thorn still locks us out, and I think Chain of Vapor is generally better against single targets. Truth is definitely a good card (and it's obviously better against tokens), but I don't think I prefer it to more specialized bounce/removal.

Surgical sounds like a good plan if you're dealing with lots of Reanimans. I don't run it at present, but that may change going forward.

I'm still interested in testing Slaughter Games against Miracles.

>>51164973
After goldfishing doomsday for a while, my only question is: why do you run a lotus petal?

Is there a situation where you want to slip it into the doomsday pile, or does it just make it easier to play around wastelands and mana disruption?

>>51177972
>>51178415
I've ended up cutting gravehate from my sideboard entirely. I found that it wasn't doing enough.

>>51178434
primarily Petal is used in some piles. The opportunity cost of running it is low, since it's perfectly fine outside of piles and can sometimes let you win a turn earlier. But there are a handful of situations/piles where you cannot win without a petal. Imagine a situation like this: your hand is Dark Ritual, Doomsday, Burning Wish, and you have SDT, Swamp, Island, Vocanic island on the field. You know your opponent only has Red Elemental Blast for interaction. You can cast Doomsday off the ritual, and pile LED, LED, LED, Petal, Burning wish. Top draws LED, you wish for your sideboard draw 4, and you need the petal in the pile to recast the SDT. This pile and variations on it aren't that uncommon and good for beating red blasts.

>>51178552
Interesting. Thanks!

>>51178415
My logic with echoing truth is that most of the time when people play hate (at least locally) they prefer to double up on it rather than diversify, which I can punish better. Recall also doesn't stop sanctum prelate, thalia, leyline, or iona on black.

As cute as surgical is, I don't know if it's fast enough to be worth the slot - I assume you name CB with it?

Also as an aside, our meta was hella fucked up, I don't think any two people had the same deck tonight. The field was:
>ANT (me)
>Burn
>Sultai Delver
>BR Reanimator
>Eldrazi
>LEDless dredge
>Elves
>Loam Depths
>Tezzerator RoflThopter
>Worldgorger Infinite
>2-Land Belcher
>Painter
>D&T
>High Tide
>Miracles
And one deck I just don't remember seeing. There were 16 of us.

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>>51171635
>Brainstorming in your upkeep with a Sylvan Library down seems like a judge's worst nightmare.

Nah, it's just awkward because the guy doing it has to call a judge and the judge has to watch what cards he drew and what cards he put back due to the mess of hidden information happening.

I love Sylvan Library, it's a candidate for my favorite Magic card ever, but boy did they template it in an awkward way. If it was just "ATBO your upkeep look at the top three cards of your library and put them back in any order, then you may pay 4 life up to two times to draw a card" we wouldn't have problems.

>>51166294
>>51166312

See this, this is the reason the format is dying, unless your in a gp with money on the line there is zero reason for you not to tell them how the interactions work

Even if you beat them you didnt actually win, you fucking scummed them, this is the kind of shit you dont see at the professional level unless your an asshole like gerard Fabiano, the most enjoyable part of legacy is playing with new people and if you want people to actually stick you need to not scum them out

Its small things, like when someone plays a needle against me and names LED the first thing I tell them is that its a mana ability and it doesnt actually work and unless they were assholes beforehand ill usually let them rename

Seriously guys were better than that, keep that shit in modern general

4-0 Finish tonight.

Round 1 was a really close match against aggro loam, but flickerwisp and recruiter got me there.

Round 2 was something UB? I saw a pestermite game one, and went full lockdown mode, and never got to see what he actually was trying to do.

Round 3 was dredge
He beat me game 1, got the hate games 2 and three.

Round 4 was a miracles list that was playing wasteland for some reason.
Poor guy didn't stand a chance, he forced my vial game one, and then I just beat him down.
Game 2 was even worse for him, the t1 vial resolved, followed up by thalia, prelate, and cataclysm.

>>51179010
I will do this to an extent. If they seem a bit confused and unsure, I'm willing to help them out with that sort of thing. However if they're sure about it (or they're an asshole) I will wait until after the match to explain what they did wrong.

>>51178415

Are you me? I have a very similar opinion on Hurkyls, not a huge fan of xantid (or the green splash in general), i actually run one surgical in the main and one in the board because of how often it can silver bullet fringe decks in big tournaments

So what do you think of hope of ghirpur? Im thinking of trying two in the board, will probably help the sb matchup against miracles and bug delver, i actually find that wipe away is a good card post board as the matches can go really long and its a good way to get rid of balance without them able to spin in response

>>51179118
Hope of ghirapur just seems BAD against delver since you have to hit them for it to be any use, and against miracles it's rarely the spells they CAST that make comboing out miserable - it's counterbalance with that perennial wear//tear sitting atop it.

I did show off magus to the one miracles player today, and he admitted that knowing about that card would hugely change how he boards against storm, because resolving him now puts miracles on a "miracle or lose" clock, to say nothing of the threat of popping him when shields are down. He's not AS good against delver, but matches speed with a lone delver in a race and walls Bobs. I might entertain trying it.

Anyone been testing any new cards in their decks not necessarily from AER but new cards on general?

Heres the card from AER I have my eye on

>fatal push(obviously)
I dont feel like i have to say anything, hits almost every none cheated out threat in the format
>sram
Feel like it goes well with SFM but i dont play any decks so idk how it would slot
>hope of ghirpur
See above, i think its a good replacement for swarm, yeah it needs to connect but it shuts down until your next turn which also protects you from other combo decks
>baral, lord of compliance
He seems good in control decks, maybe not miracles but making your counters cheaper and letting you loot when you cast them has to work somewhere
>one of the exepertise
Im not sure which is the best but free spells just sounds great, maybe in shardless to cast those visions if theyre in your hand, probably not but maybe someone sees something i dont

>>51178682
>high tide
Tell that man I both respect and pity him.

>>51178474

I sort of found myself in the same spot. Dredge has too many targets for post-T1 Surgical to be relevant, Reanimator's just as likely to keep dumping huge guys, and most other decks don't rely on the graveyard enough for me to think it's worth it. If Reanimator's huge in the metagame, though, I think it might be worth it.

>>51178682

I tend to bring in Chain of Vapor instead of Echoing Truth for most of the cards you mentioned. If people aren't diversifying, though, I think Truth is probably a better card. I still feel like I've got room in the sideboard, so I figure it's nice to have Hurk around to shore up some really ugly matchups. I feel like it's better than Swarms or Carpets. Hurking yourself can add storm count, too, in the same way that Chaining can.

>>51179118

I'm with you about splashing green; it's pretty tortured, and I feel like it's something I don't like to do unless I'm certain I'm not facing Wasteland or I know I can pull out a win if I resolve a single green card (which is to say, Abrupt Decay).

Hope of Ghirapur doesn't seem that great to me. Not needing green to cast it is nice, but it's a one-off, we have to connect with it, and Karakas stops it dead. Wipe Away seems cool, but I try not to bring in ≥3-cmc cards unless they KO people (Tendrils, Empty the Warrens, maybe Massacre or Slaughter Games). Any kind of taxing makes it fail, and I think if you're running green that Krosan Grip is probably better for Miracles.

I'm thinking Fatal Push looks like a super replacement for Disfigure. Definitely picking up at least a Commander Playset, and probably more.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is how many matchups would benefit from an Abrupt Decay. At the moment, I only bring in multiples against Miracles, so I don't know whether keeping a Bayou in the sideboard is worth it.

>>51164949
I have paid for this buffet.

IBwill have my fucking OATZ.

>>51180276
>re: green cards
I've dropped xantid swarm too, it's occasionally really good but usually mediocre at best. However I think abrupt decay is totally worth it, and I've actually gone up to 2 main. Of course playing 17 lands means I can splash green and still play 3 basics if I want so it feels a little less awkward.

>>51179010
Also, if it's not an obvious mistake, I'll usually just make a mental note and ask them after. Sometimes it's something they missed, but sometimes they were e.g. playing around a card they thought I might have, or misreading a signal I didn't know I was sending.

>yfw memedernettes think you need drs t1 into fetchscooze and fow to combat modern dredge
>which had under 7% meta

>>51178084
Legacy decks and cards are so expensive , not to mention that the area I'm in atm events are relatively rare and often 1 hour+ drives away, oy makes brewing anything playable extremely difficult.

When I lived in SF and could hit up 3 Legecy events a week I used to brew all sorts of garbage.

So I'm trying to make an ANT/TES hybrid. ANTS also seems like a fun name. Legacy needs more non-self-explanatory names. Anyway, this is what I'm working with at the moment.

1 Ad Nauseam
2 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames

4 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
3 Cabal Ritual

4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Swamp

4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Sensei's Divining Top

SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 1 Shattering Spree
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Xantid Swarm
SB: 1 Duress
SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Dark Petition
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Bayou

>>51179010
At local weekly events I'm happy to go through card interactions with people. But Legacy is complicated, and people fuck up. I was playing against a player who had years under his belt, owned power & played zero proxy Vintage. He was on Infect, I dropped Night of Soul's Betrayal, he had a brainfart and Invigorated his Glistener Elf in response, thinkong NOSB was a sorcery. I was more than happy to remind him it was an enchantment, at the cleanup step.

And at larger events like Opens and GP side events, I sink enough money into driving, parking, and entry fees that it's srs bznz time.

>>51182489
It was way over 10% before every sideboard started resembling Vintage with 5-8 yard bullets.

>>51182720
If you're gonna go down that route I think you need more wishes. Having the wishboard seems pointless when only 2 cards gives you access to it. I might suggest dropping the main deck empty and/or the SDT for another wish. Without the red rituals of TES, your main game plan is still going to be tendrils. But wish will give you access to etw if you want.

>>51182720
The RoF seems pretty loose.

>>51183079
It's pretty common in ANT and DDFT lists. Generates a shitload of mana in long games, and helps play through soft counters.

>>51179010
>legacy is dying because no one babies their opponents!

>>51183206
There are definitely some cards and interactions that are commonly known for causing confusion. It's easy for us because we immerse ourselves in this kind of environment but you need to remember (especially with the incoming dredge refugees) that these people think of the stack as a strange and scary place where lightning bolt and counterspells go after a creature is cast. Some of these noble savages have never even seen a white bordered card!

>>51178084
I've made my own Progenitus "Win the game" EDH deck, my own 15 God enchantment devotion EDH deck, my own Aetherflux Reservoir Legacy combo deck... I mean, EDH is more fun to build for than Legacy but I like making and testing decks for both. I just happen to not be a good deck builder for 60 card constructed.

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>>51183513
Can confirm, a few weeks ago I was at the shop on modern night picking up an order. Some Tron players came in, whooping and hooting in a strange language before they sacrificed a chicken to their heathen gods to ward off infect and land destruction. In the other corner there was an important looking tribesman covered in body paints and skulls making strange hand signals to some malnourished children who watched in awe. Shop owner told me that was the resident jund player, full foreign foils, expeditions and clearly much older than the rest preaching to the standard players that his God would smite the Tron players for their blasphemy. I left after the dredge players came in, trying their best to show the others how to make a false river to bring them mountain dew instead of having to walk to the counter each time. One was captured and, like the chicken, sacrificed to ward off bad matchups and sideboard hate.

>pic related, WotC is on my ass because after I tried to join in with a WB pox modern the local Tron tribe has been extremely agitated with outsiders

On a related note, how would a pox deck with W for Gerrard's verdict, vindicate and myth realized be? I want to rebuild my old mono b pox with some extra spice

>>51182923
I want it to be more of an out, and I can get them via Infernal Tutor. I played a tournament with just one Burning Wish, where it was pretty nice to suddenly have access to a wishboard. Two definitely are necessary. But I might cut the SDT, it's mostly there because several successful Storm players used it. I'm thinking of a way to include Rite of Flames, but at that point it's just Bryant Cook's list. I'm trying to not be too reliant on any strategy (Wish, AdNaus, Graveyard). Maybe I'll replace the SDT with another Volcanic Island.

>>51184138
IT->wish is a mana intensive line if that's what you're saying, and I think using sideboard space for wish targets is a waste without reliable access to them. Top, which adds long term consistency and inevitabilty, seems bad in a list that is geared to go faster. Adding a land isn't a bad idea but I think anything less than 3 wishes in a deck with a wishboard is just bad deckbuilding. Waste of slots in the main and board.

>>51180276
That's a fair assessment. Carpet has been gold when it hits for me though - that sultai delver match alone it let me combo through 2 counterspells without using the mana I needed to go off - so I'm going to keep with it a bit longer.

Fatal push I do really want to entertain the idea of, though I'm not sure what it helps that decay doesn't - I can't think of many exactly 4CMC dudes off the top of my head. (The only one I can think of is TKS which rips push out before it hits the table).

>>51184265
Maybe if I cut down the wishboard to just Tendrils and Empty. I sometimes side them in anyway. It's just nice to have more outs and be able to theoretically circumvent Iona on Black or Surgical on Infernal Tutor. I've played TES and if I take more Wishes back, I don't think I can leave out the Rites of Flame.

>>51184018
Vindicate is hilarious, but 3 mana + the extra color nakes it difficult to cast reliably. Myth Realized dies to Abrupt Decay. Gerrards Verdict isnt worth the second color over Mind Wrench, or even just using more 1cmc discard.

I tried testing W/B Pox for a while, its just worse than mono B. If you want spice, try just messimg around in the flex spots. I added in Ob Nixilis Reignited and Phyrezlxian Arena to try out at next week's legacy.

Or just add blue for Brainstorm and Flipy Jace.

>>51184660
>flip jace to recast smallpox/sinkhole/hymns

>>51184499
Well DDFT plays 4 wishes without rite of flame and works just fine but there are other significant deck construction differences. I think if you cut top and etw and added a volc and a 3rd wish it could work. Im just not sure the plans work great together. I feel like you'll see a lot of hands where if a wish were an infernal tutor, you'd win with a pif line, but wish doesn't work like that with pif. The wish/tutor split works for tes because empty is the primary game plan.

>>51184499

I experimented a bit with a Burning AnT list a while back, and I didn't like it enough to keep the Wishes around.

It felt like I was opening myself up to consistency problems (esp. regarding the land base), yet I wasn't having an easier time hitting a quick combo because having both red and black sources (and NOT just a Diamond) on T1-2 was a must. It put more stress on my mana artifacts, and I kept finding that it wouldn't increase my consistency, even when I had rituals and either Wish or Tutor in my hand.

If you're set on keeping Past in Flames as a singleton, I would just run Dark Petitions. You won't need Badlands or double-Mox, and you can go back to a quad of cabal Rituals. It's also very fast, contrary to how it might look.

>>51183079

Rain of Filth is stellar. It's a bit slow and it's very all-in, but it ups your Threshold count for Cabal Rituals, it gets black mana out of basic Island/Tropical/Volcanic, and you can cast it in response to upkeep-step Clique to give yourself fast mana later in the turn without losing your catalyst.

>>51184294

Oh, don't get me wrong—if either Xantid or Carpet lands, it stands a reasonable chance of winning us the game on its own. The trouble is that I don't ever recall someone's letting it stick. Eating Force can be beneficial (the one time I won a game with Xantid, it and the subsequent Force gave me natural Storm count and left the opponent defenseless), but it still doesn't do that as well as Duress or Therapy, and it gums up topdecks.

The main draw I see to Fatal Push is that it doesn't need to aim for small guys, just cheap guys (or midrangey guys if we can crack a fetch). So that opens it up to hitting Tarmogoyf, Thought-Knazi [with the caveat you mentioned], Leo, Notion Thief, Lodestone Golem, Knight of the Reliquary, Germ tokens (LOLOLO), and weird stuff like Master of Etherium or Eidolon of Rhetoric. Decay is a better card, I think, but it's also expensive and requires some mana-gymnastics.

>>51185590

>The main draw I see to Fatal Push is that it doesn't need to aim for small guys, just cheap guys

To clarify, I was comparing it to Disfigure here, not just to Decay. I've got both in my 'board at the moment.

>>51184294

>The only one I can think of is TKS which rips push out before it hits the table

One last thing: that's not necessarily true. They cast Seer; Seer resolves, entering the field, triggering its ability. You can respond by shooting it, which draws you a card, after which they exile a card from your hand.

>>51185170
>>51185590
Thanks for the input. I will run some more matches with the Wishes, but I guess then I'll return to either TES or ANT. I deviated from TES mostly because Chalice is so ubiquitous and Chalice on 1 kills TES too easily. So I guess I'll (have to learn how to) play ANT.

I took out the Dark Petitions because of AdNaus, I managed to hit them too often (well, I had two main in the tournament). I always found myself boarding at least one out.

>>51166035
>>51166104

Agreed.

>>51185882
Well you could consider DDFT. 2 main deck decay and wish for more answers. If you're facing a lot of non-eldrazI chalice decks, it might be better. Against eldrazi it doesn't make much difference because the clock is so fast, but you could try my version with 3 ingot chewer on the side which has shown some promise.

>>51186317
As much as I find DDFT intriguing, I fear I'm not that invested in Magic at the moment that I can properly learn how to play. One thing I really like about the Wishes is that they fire even if I'm not hellbent. Just had a playtest where I could send the Wish first, had it countered because it's obviously a threat, and then play Tutor afterwards hellbent. Of course, this is doesn't come up too often.

I might be biased because my brother plays MUD (which basically no one else plays). He also has D&T, where i actually prefer TES as it can kill them more reliably before the no fun crew shows up.

>>51186364
I should add that I will probably play Grixis Delver (or maybe UB Reanimator) at the next real tournament (Eternal Weekend in Paris) as I just can't see myself perfecting any Storm variant while writing three term papers.

>>51175670
I'm almost done with building my U/G post deck. I like the sideboard options that blue grants you and I also use trinket mage to nab a pithing needle if I have none or grab a Senseis top. Late game it's good for a map or even another needle. I also run 3 repeal to deal with things that give me trouble or just to bounce my candelabra back to hand to get more use out of it. 29 mana on turn 5 is rather nice

>>51185590
That's fair. My other thing is that I see so few of those dudes in my meta to where it's mostly moot, but that's a local issue and not a format-wide one. For sure warrants testing for blind metas.

>>51185667
For some reason I was sure TKS was on cast, not on etb. My bad.

Bump.

How is the new thalia in death and taxes? I'm thinking of testing her as a one-off.

>>51189821
I think the consensus is still split but she's quite good as a one of to tutor up with recruiter I believe

>>51189977
I guess I will give her a try and see how it goes, if I don't like her I can still swap her for a mirran crusader or something.

>>51189821
Maybe decent against elves, but that's if she lands turn 3. I would say that she's a turn slow as a plan ruiner

>>51187597
Thanks anon. Would you say its better than the green version? I run magus of the candelabra as a one off in my build. I feel like I should be using him more but never play him cause I just figure it'll die to removal. Do you run forces or any kind of control, or just use blue for cantrips and repeal?

>>51192696
Blue is primarily for cantrips and repeals. 3 force in the sideboard to shore up our combo matchup. I'd recommend the blue splash if you've got the money for trops. If not mono green is still a very viable option. Used to play that before the conversion to U/G

>>51193346
Any advice for mono green? I dont have money for candelabras or dules. Most of my meta is delver and D&T. With a splash of loam and lands. D&T actually feels pretty even cause they have a bunch of needle hits. Delver seems like a struggle just because they are a bit faster. Loam and lands makes me cry with wastes.

>>51194247
I don't k ow what you're running, but I had a mono G shitbrew that actually had a good 75% winning record in local events. Eploreation was baller, plus some combination of Explore, Sylvan Scrying, and Ancient Stirrings. I ran 2 or 3 Magus of the Candelabra, and I literally never had anyone bother killing them. They would look at it, see it was a shit budget creature, and hold removal for something "scary". Then next turn I drop Prime Time AND Eugene in 1 turn. Good times. I always wanted to try running 4 Eureka to take the Show &Tell slot, but i decided that I would never be comertable spending the money on Candelabras, so gave up on the idea.

>>51194480
The show and tell player suggested eureka. It actually sounded really fun. I tested a little bit with exploration on xmage a while back and it seemed kinda bad if i didnt open with it. Although explore sounds kinda neat for the card draw. My list is
DUDES
x1 emrakul aeons torn
x1 kozilek butcher of truth
x1 emrakul promised end
x4 prime time
x1 magus of the candelabra
x1 oracle of mul daya
x1 ulamog the ceaseless hunger
SEARCHERS
x4 crop rotation
x4 green sun's zenith
x4 ancient stirrings
x4 expedition map
LANDS
x4 glimmer posts
x4 forests
x1 cavern of souls
x2 dryad arbor
x1 thespian's stage
x1 glacial chasam
x4 vesuva
x1 eye of ugin
X4 cloudpost
x3 windswept heath
OTHER STUFF
x4 pithing needle
x4 senseis top
x1 ugin spirit dragon

>>51194839
looks fairly close to what I ended up with. I totally recomend a Bojuka Bog in the main of every deck running Crip Rotation, especially if you're.l having trouple with Lands. I ran a second in the sideboard, and had a game against the local Lands player where alI hit him with both, then copied it 4 more times with all my Vesuvas. I won that game.

>>51195281
I also put in dark depths in my post deck too. Alternative win condition

>>51195281
Ive been thinking about bog. Most post lists run it.
>>51195536
I used to main depths but if felt clunky. Now it sits in the side for match ups where I need to win faster.
The side currently sits like this, and its probably shit
SIDE
x4 krosan grip
x2 tormod's crypt
x4leyline of sanctity
x3 warping whails
x1 thorn of amythyst
x1 darkdepths

>>51164089
>fair decks addition

Miracles is fair right?

Thoughts on AER's impact on Legacy, if any?

>>51197658

Saheeli-Cat combo is the new Splinter Twin. Other than that, anyone's guess.

>>51197658
fatal push is playable, if not a staple black removal card.

>>51197658
I don't think there's too much to be said.
>Fatal Push
>One of the Expertise (Black) will probably see play
>Hope of Ghirapur
I expect this to pop up somewhere in eternal

>>51197658
Fatal push is fantastic, pretty much replaces disfigured, hope of ghirapur looks terrible to me but everyone seems to think it's going to be great. I expect yaheenis expertise to see play in some decks, mainly Shardless BUG

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>>51197658
Idk how good it will be, but I plan to at least try this guy with eldrazi dispacer.

I just like wastelanding people.

>>51170673
What city? I can't find legacy anywhere here.

>>51197658
Hope of Ghirapur is bad, slow Xantid Swarm. The former has to deal combat damage AND has to be sacrificed. The latter only has to attack and it sticks around. People already play Swarm and from what I've heard most of the time it just isn't that good anyways, typically eating a Force or other counterspell. It won't be played.

Black Expertise I imagine will be a 1-of in some Shardless lists, though those are getting pretty tight with their mainboard. I don't know yet.

Fatal Push is gonna be played for a while but I don't know if it will stick. It finally gives an easy answer to Marit Lage that isn't Swords to Plowshares.

Also, look at the fucking metagame right now. What the hell is going on?
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=LE

>>51202188
Marit lage is indestructible so push doesn't kill it

>>51199187
no stahp, less waste plz

>>51202188
>what the hell is going on?

That's what we call a wide open format senpatchi. You should try it sometime ;^)

Still insane that standard banned 3 cards and it's STILL a 1-deck format.

>>51202400
Well now I feel retarded.

>>51202188
Having a swarm countered is actually not that bad. Got rid of one counterspell at least.

t. Belcher player

>>51197393
nope

>>51165076

>12 lands triggering your autism

Anon, you havent even seen the levels of degeneracy in Legacy yet. Look up Belcher, Oops, or Cheerios. Belcher and Cheerios run singleton lands, Oops runs exactly 0 lands. All three you try to deck yourself opening turn and just win.

>>51204338
Only opps does.
Belcher memes you with 20+power and cheerios did NOTHING WRONG.

>>51204668
>Belcher isn't primarily a Belcher combo
>Belcher is primarily an EtW combo
I want to believe I'm being rused here.

>>51204970
Power meant damage hue

>>51197393
idk I never had a problem playing against Miracles....

Could someone post a Pox list? You guys are discussing Pox,and I want to see what everyone is running.

>>51205181
My list is pretty okay; I didn't put a lot of money into the deck.

>>51205193
Please post it!

Is anyone playing the Legacy Challenge on MTGO?
I'm currently in game 2 vs Miracles, up a game. Playing LED Dredge.

Should I main board a copy of flusterstorm in my Infect deck if I'm expecting a ton of Delver variants in my meta?

>>51205383
I do and I generally don't think it's a bad idea.

>>51204668

The point with belcher is to mill as much as possible until you hit that Taiga for maximum damage. Ideally, you want the last card in your deck to be the Taiga.

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>>51205181
Here's an old list of mine. The Call the Bloodlines are Collective Brutalities now, and the Pox has become a Haunted Plate Mail or sometimes Immortal Coil.

>>51205663
Interesting. Some of the cards there are too expensive for a deck that doesn't put up consistently good results.

>>51206025
the whole deck cost me about 500, but this was back when Lili was about 40. of course wasteland was more expensive too. But if you built it today, without Lili, you could probably do it for a few hundred. that's not a bad starting point to get into legacy.

>>51206269
The maindeck I posted with basically -4 Lili, +4 Sinkhole, is like 250 USD. In my opinion, if you like Prison-y control decks there really isn't a better place to start in Legacy

Update on Legacy Challenge
1-1, lost to Miracles round 1. Game 3 was super great, he topdecked Containment Priest the turn before I would've put Iona into play naming White. He was a chill dude and we chatted a bunch.
Beat BUG... I don't want to say Delver, because I didn't see a delver, or a goyf. didn't see a visions or a shardless either. It was weird.

>>51206269
There's also the bridges in the sideboard.

>>51206388
I expected to see a list like that when I asked for one

>>51205181
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-12-16-pox/

This is something Im trying out. I was running like 6-7 fetches and some Tops, but I want to test out some cards like Ob Nixilis, Phyrexian Arena, and mainboard Deluge/Extirpate. SCG Dallas is coming by early March, so I want to figure out if I need to go back to using Top before then.

>>51206721
I juat realized Arena isnt even in that list. Oh well, that's like 72/75 what I'm taking to Legacy this week.

>>51206721
I play tops and fetches in my online list, but not in paper because I lend out pox at my lgs and I use all my tops and black fetches in ddft. I see you also run tomb of urami. Is that standard pox tech? I think it's dope but I thought it was my own spice.

I'm now 1-3 in the Challenge.
Should I just drop, or wait till i'm x-4?

>>51207594
It's not standard, but it's too out of left field either. I got wrecked by someone using it back when I was playing Omnitell, they dropped a Nether Void then next turn activated Tomb and beat me to death with his token, so ever since I started playing Pox I've always run a 1 of.

>>51205369
I refuse to play mtgo until they fire whatever retard is in charge and unfuck themselves so their digital medium doesn't compete with their paper medium.

>>51209554
They fired the head recently, after m announcing a total restructuring of the company's Vidya stuff.

>>51209783
YHOLTY FUCKING SHIT 2017 THE WORLD ENDS

I know it's not legacy related but i want to tell someone. I've talked a bit about the trashy antics of my teammates before, but their prerelease antics take the cake. They all got smashed beforehand, then went to the midnight prerelease, got asked to leave after round 2, one of them (a huge ex-FSU guy) tried to drive home drunk, 2 others got in his face to try stop him, and he drunkenly punched them both out in the parking lot. And the worst part was I didn't even see it so I only heard the story secondhand.

/blog

>>51210397
rekt

>reinstall xmage to run 12post tests
>3 matches of loam
hold me plz
It makes me want to brew up some dumbshit blood moon post, just to fuck wastes extra hard. How do you deal with silver bullets that damn near everyone seems to run in the main? inb4 stop playing a shit deck.

>>51210998
I usually see 3-4 Pithing Needle in the main to counteract Wasteland.

>>51211300
yep i run 4. But i never seem to have it when i need it. And things like delver and loam just abrupt decay it anyway. Although itis really nice vs D&T

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>>51210998
This always gets people.

>>51211349
i like the way he's holding his hands in the artwork.

>why you tryna fuck wit my lands yo what's up??

>>51210397
>FSU
South Florida Magic is that you?

>>51212245
kek no, FSU as in Friends Stand United/Fuck Shit Up, the Boston Hardcore "gang" from a decade or 2 ago. Not sure any of the guys I roll with were actually members, but they rolled with those dudes and at least 1 of my teammates appears in the FSU episode of Gangland.

>>51212532
I was not aware magic had this level of thuggery.

>>51212683
Boston Hardcore as in Hardcore Punk music. I wish there were MTG street gangs roving around, but unfortunately not. My team is the closest it gets i guess.

>>51212783
MTG street gangs........ That sounds like the plot of an anime. Now Im thinking like, what would constitute a magic gang? Would it be like all blue players are a gang, or would they all play the same deck? OooOOoo or would they be set up like team that all play different decks to cover each others bad match ups?

>>51212870
I think the third one. You'd have the Alpha, the brains of the operation playing Miracles. The beefy enforcers would play Eldrazi. You'd have a couple side characters playing Delver or Shardless or DnT or something. Then there'd be that weird dude that nobody wants to talk to because he's killed more mofos than the leader and he plays Cephalid Breakfast

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>>51212945
Who would the guy that plays Dredge be?

>>51212985
He would be like....the mtg equivalent of the drug dealer that trys to courrpt the MC with dark power. Like, the MC plays dredge once against a few people and thinks its the best ever. Then gets shut out by like a leyline or some shit. Then learns about hard work and balanced.........fuck idk where i was going with that.

>>51213044
sounds like a reasonable filler arc while the anime catches up with the source material.

I guess Dredge IS kind of a side character deck. So what would the protagonist in an MTG/Legacy anime play? Death&Taxes? That doesn't really lend itself to exciting outplay come-from-behind moments though

>>51213131
>doesn't really lend itself to exciting outplay come-from-behind moments
most tier 1 decks don't. it's why they are tier 1.

the protagonist should be an underdog though, so it definitely cannot be a top deck.

>>51213210
The more I think about it the more I like U/R Delver. Not tier 1, has counterspells for those "Brainstorm desperately looking for a counterspell in rhe face of a lethal combo for the blowout moments", burn for dues ex machina topdecks, and Delvers for that low level stress of "will it flip or not" moments as you build up to the finale.

>>51213210
>>51213131
there's only one answer: Nourishing Lich

>>51213298
Nah, Nourishing Lich is that kinda creepy but wise uncle deck who teaches the protag about combo, and how evaluate cards so that you never take something that looks like unplayable garbage for granted.

Plus the protag needs to able to win games at some point.

>>51213210
Elves.

>>51213291
I think it should be a fair deck like Maverick or something similiar

>>51213210
>>51213131
Whats a mid teir fair deck? Maybe something like stoneblade? Hell, I could see nicfit being a good MC deck for somthing like that.
>>51213395
I dont think the Mc would play a combo deck. Elves seems like the deck of the best friend and/or rival.

>>51213395
Elves could be good. It has a combo element, but grinds well and is also a dog to Miracles which of course the Main Antagonist plays

>>51213438
Match 2 game 1 against reanimator
>Nani!? H-He's fast!

I could see BUG Walkers. Planeswalkers being used by the protagonist would fit their theme. Plus it' s midrangy and fair.

>>51213571
no

>>51213586
yes

>>51213131
What about Jund? It's an underrepresented deck that fights fair, and it has Bloodbraid Elf for those random-luck-for-the-win moments.

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>mfw someone likes anime near me

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>>51214130
>mfw you make your face
we're all nerds here pal

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>>51214130
I bet your one of those people that puts their playmat just over the edge on top of the other guys. You prolly play lands in front of creatures to u fag.

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>>51214496
tfw you post the wrong image and make your self look bad. It seems I am the one to be a fag.

>>51214496
Hey now, back.in the day thats how you played. The little rule books that came in starter packs I miss those!even told you so with little diagrams

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>>51214251
>>51214496
im just teasing pls no bully

>>51214496
>those tabs
every fucking time.

>tfw I leave for work and when I get back everyone is talking about a legacy gang themed anime

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>>51214496
>no gay sex with hats on
You're waifu a shit.

>>51214251
Yes but some nerds are NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS and deserve all the wedgies.

>>51214563
sorry senpai looks like you got bullied

>>51214545
>>51214496
i think both of those pics make you look bad my dude i like monster musume

In an effort to re-rail the thread (and also jerk myself off), here is a link to my youtube channel for DDFT related things. right now there is a single video, an MTGO replay without audio. I hope to have better quality content as time goes on, at least like some voiceover about my play decisions, but at first it's just going to be MTGO replays. But there is a serious dearth of DDFT video content with up-to-date lists so I'm going to try to fill the hole a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD0Os6qvXicEZl6gJ_xPXGw

>>51214728
You're doing God's work, Anon.

>>51214651
CHANDRA TAPS THE WRONG WAY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51214836
I dont think ive ever seen somone tap to the left. And I never realized until now how much that would trigger my autism.

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>>51214728
No voice over. You disappoint me.

Is Turbo Depths good?
I have a set of LEDs that I want to sell and I don't want to have to put that much/any money into a legacy deck

>>51215715
I like it. Its not top tier but its cheap, fun, and builds into a ton of decks.

>>51216236
Should I play it over Dredge? It's gotten stale over the past 2 years
I don't want to build something I'd regret and I can't fucking get xmage to run again otherwise I'd test it

>>51216255
try cockatrice. As for if you'll like it I don't know. Its kid of a linear combo deck, but for me at least getting the combo going is interesting enough. I just don't play legacy enough to do well with decks like Storm, and stuff like Sneak & Show is TOO simple. Depths a good middle ground. And you can stay part of the "Too cool for Brainstorm" club.

>>51216255
This guy has some good videos of a build that’s similar to what I'm testing.

https://www.you tube.com/user/DNSolver/videos

>>51216384
I loved Storm, I just don't want to re-buy into it again since I sold everything to try to downsize, but I love playing Legacy too much
Storm was great because I fucking love Brainstorm so much but I'd rather play a cohesive deck than try to half-ass storm, although I guess its probably the best to half-ass
I used to play on cockatrice but I liked Xmage a lot more, just felt a lot better to play on in general
Don't know why I can't run .JAR files on Mac like I used to. I heard they dropped support for it n the latest OS update and you have to download the JRE again which is fucking ridiculous

>>51213131
Aluren or Food chain perhaps?
Weird semi-fair decks that have more asspull wins than you can shake a stick at.

>>51214871
I tap to the left. I've never realized it before, it just seemed right to do.

>>51214871
I tap to the left because it's easier to rotate cards with my middle finger since it's my strongest finger.

>>51214885
Yeah like I said I just wanted to get a couple videos up. I need to improve my setup because at some point I'd like to stream some games, but I don't really have the right equipment to do that, or even voiceovers, right now.

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>>51214629
>tfw wake up and realize I missed the anime talk

I was having xmage issues. Their .de site is down so I just grabbed the most recent version from the forums and did a fresh install. Its working fine for me now, although it seemes like the woogerworks server is the only one working.

>>51217370
>>51218804
BUT THE TAP ARROWS POINT TO THE RIGHT. REEEEEEEEEEE

>>51220297
rules are meant to be broken

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>>51220316
COUNTERCLOCKWISE TAPPIN
LANDS IN FRONTIN
SINGLE SLEEVEN
PLAYMAT OVERLAPIN

>>51213131
Shardless, duh

>Side characters: No! He played Counterbalance with Top in play! It's the ultimate defense. No spells out, no spells in. This is looking grim.
>I cast Shardless Agent!
>Pfft... go ahead, cascade into your pathetic 2 cost. I'll just counter top it
>I CAST ABRUPT DECAY
>N-NANI! BAKANA!
>Side characters: Amazing!

Game two
>Side character: He's flooded the field with those flying angel tokens. Even his Tarmogoyf won't help. There's nothing PROTAG can do. Unless...
>Main love interest: Unless?
>Side character: It's a bit of a longshot
>the screen cuts to a CGI simulation
>Side: There is one card in his deck that change the state of the game entirely.
>the screen shows Maelstrom Pulse
>Narrator: Maelstrom Pulse, for 1BG, the caster can destroy any non-land permanent and any permanent that shares a name with that permanent! A powerful card against swarm strategies!
>Main love interest: but the token has no name, so he can't use it on tokens
>Comedy relief character: But he can! Tokens have names. And it'll take out every token VILLAIN has. However, I know him and he only has 1 pulse in his deck.
>Side: Exactly, it's a longshot. But PROTAG's pulled off worse
>Protag: TOPUDECKU! MAELSTROM PULSE!
>everyone reacts
>Protag: TARMO, LET'S FINISH HIM OFF! GRAVE DEVOUR!

>>51221943
Would crowdfund 5/5
>>51213131
In Modern the answer would be Twin (Requiescat In Pace)
http://i.imgur.com/LWKRCnp.jpg
http://imgur.com/a/PdDP6

>>51221978
>ywn see Splinter Twin cast in a Modern tournament again
RIP Modern's ultimate gatekeeper, taken down Mafia style just before the Eldrazi Winter.

>>51222057
The worst part is that it did nothing against Eldrazi in the first place. I've play tested it (hardly scientific), and Eldrazi won staggeringly. 15/20 games went to eldrazi, and that was with throwing in tech to help Twin.

>>51221943
bretty gud m8 i r8 8/8. Shardless seems like a decent deck for the MC. Although I still say nicfit would be the best just cause you can fit so many different cards into it.
>>51221978
This is pretty cool. We just need this, but for legacy.

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>>51220559
Psshh, sounds more like OCD than MTG. I play with no sleeves, no playmat, riffle shuffle hard then bridge, pick my nose while playing, only tap my cards like 40* to the left so its a pain in the ass to tell whats tapped, split my lands/ other shit left/righy instead of front/back, and keep my decks loose in gallon ziploc bags I carry around in an old plastic walmart grocery bag. And I like to draw random shit on my cards, all my lands look like pic related.

>>51222691
>tracing on your basic lands
Disgusting.

I haven't busted out my playmat for a while but that's because the shop has those giant mats that span 3-4 tables.

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>>51221978
Those are great.

The High Tide player needs to be a tranny,
and there needs to be a painter player that shows up that looks like this guy, gets 3 Servants out naming red, white, and blue, than goes on about how everything is America now.

This is stupid, but why is it so fun?

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>>51222901
>The High Tide player needs to be a tranny,
Holy fuck thats good.

>>51222691
Jokes on you, I play with all my cards triple sleeved in plastic toploaders enclosed in glass cases. How else will I keep my foil Battle for Zendikar non-full art Islands from losing their value?

>>51184018
>Go to store with my brother, a fellow midranger, I'm a proud Jund tribalist and He's an abzan failure, but I love him
>It's legacy night
>Oh boy weird-o-s at it again, I adjust my tribal exploration land fedora as to reinforce my armor
>As I walk towards the counter for my very valuable foil fetchland I see some fat guy has set up a small chair castle, he says "this is the staxx, you don't pay you don't pass"
>Try another route, fucking weirdos, some other guy has set up a similar for, this time with what look like meccano, he proceeds to demand a dollar for lifting the barrier
>Finally get to the counter by finding something I understand, a burn player, I quickly throw some healing cards I always wear on my pocket as to make burn players flee in fear
>Suddenly I hear a man yell "Ve must secure ze existence of our archetype und ein future fur combo players" some guy in full SS uniform, followed by an asian looking lad and a fucking wop, they have engaged into somekind of 3-on-3s with a guy wearing a huge fucking american flag on his back, a man wearing a shirt that reads "I believe (you can't do that)" and the last one wearing the most form fitting clothing I've ever seen
>Behind that bizzare scenario, in the distance someone dressed as an inquisitor is pinching my Abzan brother with a pillow saying something along the lines of "El hereje no tiene la FoW, al hereje le cae la tormenta" while grabbing copies of tendrils and throwing them at his face, I see he's afraid of such mechanic known as 'storm', a devil of time gone by

FUck off legacy tard, we modern tribals are CIVILIZED folk

>>51213131
Dredge should appear at random, break things while yelling incoherent shit (which is probably him saying what he's playing but in a very nazi-sounding german) until he's stopped.

His cues to appear is
1. People forget grave hate
2. New players pop up
3. New decks show up

He is also sometimes going or replaced with Spanish Inquisition (who instead shows up when no FoW, he only speaks spanish and asks EVERYONE if they have a FoW), Belcher (who uses charblecher by throwing cards at the other player face while laughing) and his younger brother Oops, all spells (Whom goes full magic girl when using his wincon, yelling 'THIS IS MY MADEEEESST EXPERIMENTUUUU!!! ANGEL-SAMA!! HELP ME! ACTIVATE~ ULTIMATE~ EXPERIMENT~ AZAMI-SENSEI!").

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>Run over to my local LGS to pick up the last copy of Wasteland I need, some of my local congregation have been getting uppity with their manabases lately
>I need to remind them of one of our most important tennants, "Thow shal eun enough basics to not get BTFO'd by Bloodmoon or Wasteland locked"
>As I walk up I see a mob of people screaming and waving signs
>The signs have things like "THE GRAVEYARD IS SACRED" and "NO MORE BEING TROLLED BY THE GRAVETROLL"
>Screams of "We dont want your kind here, get out!" and "Filthy dredgers!" can be heard
>The throng parts as a handful of poor souls try to simultaniously shield themselves and protect their backpacks and manpurses from the barrage of rotten fruit and occasional rock being thrown at them
>A straggeler get knocked down by a 400 pound walkimg nexlbeard, who leers down at the cowering body
"Its too bad about your little Gravetroll friend, it would be a shame if anything happened to any of your other little graveyard whores, wouldnt it? Now git, we dont want to see you or your kind round these parts anymore, this here formats for wholsesome folk who CAST their creatures."
>As the poor sould tries to scramble away, I stop and help him up, a smile on my face as I take the opportunity to do the Lord's work
"Worry not my brother, for Raptor Jesus provides a home for all those who have outgrown the shackles of hardcasting spells. Come with me, and find peace and safety.
>I hand him a pamphlet labled "The Source", and show him the list ov viable archetypes that frequent our sessions. Actual different archetypes too, not like how those Modern animals try to convince people that GB Midrange, GB Control, The Rock, and Redless Jund are all different decks.
>With hope in his eyes, he thanks me, before running off after his compatriots shouting and eaving the pamphlet in the air
>I continue on my way, the sea of angry nerds parting before me symbolically, as they recognize their inferiority, and bump into the post limit

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>>51224429
I like when I find little dredgefugees, pic related me and ex-modern dredge players.

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how shit is assembly-worker tribal?

I wanna play 12 Post now.

Talk me out of it.

>>51224978
You will have fun against Miracles and have a bad time against everyone else. Do you really want to live in bizarro world?

>>51224883
Most changelings are better desu

Hey do any of you guys think (non-Copter) Vehicles will ever see play in Legacy

>be a high tide player since the dawn of time
>can no longer have fun in magic

fucking creature creep i swear to shit.

>>51225239
But I thought high tide was shit because of miracles and counterbalance, not creatures...

>>51225422
>infect
>reanimator
>affinity
>eldrazi cancer

miracles is a shit matchup and I would love to see counterbalance banned, but the creature creep is what has caused the deck to fall out of favor.

>>51224978
Do you like casting and swinging with the biggest dudes? Do you like shitting on miracles? Do you want an okay match up against show and tell decks? Then post decks are for you. Just be prepared to for wastland to make you cry, and for loam/lands decks to bend you over and make you wimper like a little bitch.
>>51225159
Pretty much this. The decks you beat you beat super hard. Everything else is a struggle.

>>51225159
Also you'll be the 1% that has a good g1 vs dredge.

Does anyone wanna buy my candelabra high tide deck with 11 guru islands? Im done with this game

>>51225736
ill give you a crisp 20 for it.

>>51225765
:( fml

>>51225698
how dose 12post have a good game 1 vs dredge? Just cause most lists main a bajuka bog?

>>51225518
can't you just run some unsummons to counter the all-in creatures?

>>51225865
yup. That's as good as it gets other than t1 combodecks but those are their own category.

>>51225736
I'l gove you a handy for the Candalabras. I'm wearing latex gloves though.

>>51225902
>>51225879
gonna sell this shit and build storm. Blue combo is past its prime.

>>51225951
How much are you actually looking to get out of it? Also if you want mono blue combo you might want to look into omnitell. A guy at my locals runs it and it seems pretty good.

>>51225590
>Just be prepared to for wastland to make you cry, and for loam/lands decks to bend you over and make you wimper like a little bitch.
I don't want to play 12 Post anymore. Thanks.

Currently trying to brew an affinity/improvise/cheerios deck using inspiring statuary to give affinity blue spells "double affinity", with hurkylls and dramatic reversal to reset all the cheerios while I dig through my deck for X or 0 cost artifacts

It's probably going to suck

Also does affinity do well against counterbalance (since most of the CMC is > 4?)

>>51225981
First of all

mono blue means there should be no creatures. That was never the character of "Blue". In the good all days blue was about, mana manipulation and well, I am sure you know.

I would feel dirty if I played creatures.

The guru islands are about 300 each so thats 3.5 grand aprox. The rest of the deck is around 2.4 with the candles, ignoring judge foil forces foil pacts and judge wishes.

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>>51226033
wincon is pic related

>>51226075
Good luck selling the deck, it sounds nice but who is buying?

>>51226095
No one obviously. I will probably end up selling the entire thing for like 2.5 grand. Fuck.

if they printed a way to accelerate islands into play, the deck would be viable once again. But alas!

>>51226075
The only creature I ran in my Omnitell deck was Lab Maniac for a wincon, which I think is about as blue as they come, considering it breaks the game. Or win off of Release the Ants. Emrakul is for scrubs

>>51214728
I cant tell you how many times i've looked for ddft content and been dissapointed. Last time i watched a merfolk player slag off the deck because there were no other matches of it

>>51226075
So not only is it high tide, but its like, pimped out high tide.
>3.5 grand
ummm yeh good luck with that.

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>>51221943
>a bolt of lightning flashes between the protag and the villian
>Love interest - Careful Protag! He has a strange aura on him!
>Protag - Don't worry, let's see if he can deal with THIS!
>Fetches and slams a DRS.
>Sidechar - Go get him, Protag!
>The Villian sneers at Protag's move
>He plays an Underground Sea and casts a Brainstorm
>Sidechar - Ha, he doesn't know what he is doing, you don't mainphase Brainstorm without a fetch!
>Protag - Wait up, something seems wrong...
>The villian reveals two diamonds in the shape of a lions eye and he uses Gitaxian Probe.
>The villian cackles madly and slowly says "Hold priority"
>Sidechar - Maska! He can't be! That can only mean one thing...
>Protag gasps
>The villians cracks the diamonds and discards his hand
>"Probe resolves?...Muhahahah!"
>The villians carefully draws a card and shows an Ad Nauseam
>"Just according to keikaku"
>tune in next time, folks, to see the action packed season finale!

>>51226113
I mean you could try to sell the cards seperately and get probably more money out of it.

>>51226256
Basically this

>>51226256
>selling candles

no one wants half of those cards anyway
>time spiral
>intuition
>candles

it is much easier to find someone to buy the deck, than each individual card.

>>51226275
not for 2-3 grand it wont

>>51226275
Atleast some EDH players would probably want your time spirals.

In the end it depends if you want to get rid of it fast or if you want to get more money out of it I guess.

>>51226122
If you have suggestions on what kind of thing you'd like to see, please do tell. I'm kind of busy, so content might be slow coming but this is something I've been thinking about doing for a while do I want to get it off the ground.

>>51226216
>Brainstorm to stick ad naus on top then probe to draw it after double LED

...I'm going to need a cold shower.

>>51227017
Just games. Watching vintage doomsday doesnt get me off. Things are too easy when you have lotus

>>51227017
>>51229650
obvi solution is ddft go jam dumbsday on modo and let us spectate him

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Bump from literal page infinity.

New thread time?

Why is red so underrepresented in Legacy?

>>51233827
What does it do better than the other colors?

>>51233827
>Red
Kill guy fast
>Combo
Kill guy FASTEST

that is why burn is meh.

>>51233921
Seemingly nothing, after all these years

Red actually feels much better represented in Legacy than other formats. Rhere are several non-buen mono red decks in the format, which isnot something that can be said of other formats or colors.

How many mono blue decks are there in Legacy? High tide? Omnitell? How about mono green? Black has Pox, white has D&T, but red has Dragon Stompy, Goblins, Mono Red Sneak Attack, and Painter. Red has plenty of representation, just not as a support color (aside from a splash for bolt)

>>51234055
blue lets you draw and sculpt hands so well that splashing for another color or two doesnt hurt at all except for an occasional btfo by blood moon

elves is essentially mono green sans deathrite and sideboard stuff

>>51236394
New thread. What would you guys do without me?