/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

I predict that by the Battle of Terra, 30k armies will look identical to 40k SM and CSM armies.

>>51133698
No fucc, only hucc.

>>51133799
Do you mean fluff-wise, or that there'll be enough plastic options that people are fielding armies entirely consisting of "40k" models?

>>51133799
>loyalists get plethora of rules, units and nice models
>traitors get shitty generic models and terrible rules

Are Thralls useful for Mechanicum? Going to make a DarkMech army, and I like the idea of a horde of lobotomised cultist-types charging the enemy with their bare hands.

I presume give them Fearless and Carapace and make 20 man tarpits?

>>51133799
That book will be published by the actual siege of Terra in year 31000, so maybe you're onto something
>>51133807
No, fucc. It's space Romans we're taking about. Gaius X Aulus forever ;^)

>>51133841
Yes, your enemy would need to spend more than theyre worth to remove them.

Are there any good Luna Wolf shoulder pads available? I know there's some 3D print site that has a bunch of alternative legion bits, but I'm wondering if there's some good legit pieces?

Or would I just have to try to find appropriate SW bits?

>>51133900
fw makes a transfer sheet
that's the only official thing you'll find most likely

>>51133900
So you decided for the Luna Awoos as your new legion, then?

>>51133900
Space wolves shoulder pads, with a painted on white moon behind it?

>>51133926
I like the legion rules and RoW, I like the legion specific units, but I don't want to paint another green tone army so logically they make sense.

Plus I can make a nice Mk III army to contrast my Mk IV equipped Alphas

>>51133827
Modelwise. I started thinking it when the new 40k Thousand Sons came out. It was arguably the first time GW looked at the HH range for ideas (Heresy-era armor marks and rotor cannons) to use in a 40k-exclusive set. We don't know for sure, but it seems reasonable to assume that the World Eaters will be fully red by then and the Emperor's Children pink. We know the Death Guard will have been corrupted. Only the Sons of Horus will look 30k-specific (the other traitors never changed much).

Meanwhile the loyalists will be able to use Mk VII and Indomitus armor.

The lines will definitely be blurred even more than they already are.

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What's everyone's experience with Despoiler Squads? I'm thinking of picking up BoP for the Tartaros Termies, bits off the Custodes+Sisters, and to use 10 of the marines for a Support Squad. But I think I have enough Tacticals already, and I'd like to do something with the remaining 20.

>>51134237
>le ebbin "indomitus is late Heresy creation" may-may

Way to invalidate everything you said.

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>>51134237
Well, we know that the 1kSons changed to blue after the Rubric-ing. Death Guard were fucked just before the Siege, so that's their excuse. World Eaters changed to red at an indeterminate point of time, but it was probably after Angron went Daemon Prince. EC were already fairly brightly colored, but after Fulgrim also went DP I imagine that the remaining EC started rocking hot pink, black, and yellow.

But it is true that the Siege of Terra was about when all of the 'modern' designs started to take shape. After that, very little has changed with any of the former Legions, except perhaps the UM toning down their Roman-ness a few degrees.

>>51134254
Shit, give them heavy or special weapons instead.

>>51133926
Only read the first 2 HH books, started the 3rd one and I have a question about Loken.
His rules give him a Paragon blade but his model and story character wields a Chainsword.
Is it just a really, really sharp Sword like Kharns Gorechild in 40k or what's the deal here?

Also why is Abbadon such a huge, murderhappy dick and a calm, seasoned wise man in Talon of Horus? Did he change that much?

>>51134409
"Paragon Blade" is a broad definition for a variety of weapons that cut things. They can be chainswords, axes, polearms, etc...

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I finally got to work on my IW troops, since I got the rest of the week off. This took me 8h to get here. I think there are at least 10 or 12 hours to go.

>>51134397
The red EC always bothers me in this pic.
Also Sons of Horus really do have the best scheme.

>>51134409
Because ADB likes special snowflakes and made Kharn a calm dude.

Although, let's be fair, Kharn had already been depicted as a calm, calculating dude before, he was only the angriest of them all all the time at the very start, when he was created.

ADB just turned it up to 11 and has the novels that sold the most, hence the feeling he did it.

>>51134457
That's bordeaux anon, not red.

>>51134450
Looking good. Have fun with the Chevrons.
What kind of Airbrush do you use?
I have a shitty one I used to train and am now looking into buying something more professional.

>>51134457
I think the whole image just needs a white balance correction.

>>51134490
What colour is red wine?

I bought some BoP Tartaros on eBay and they don't come with instructions. Since they aren't the same in construction as the FW ones, do I need to watch out for matching any pieces other than the right legs to each other? Do the torso halves/hood require matching the other parts too?

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>>51134505
Pic related when you type Bordeaux colour on google.
Living there, lovely city.

>>51134505
>"Burgundy is a shade of reddish brown associated with the Burgundy wine of the same name, which in turn is named after the Burgundy region of France which in turn is named after the ancient Burgundians, a Germanic tribe. The color burgundy is similar to other shades of dark red such as maroon, cordovan, and oxblood, but differs from each of these in subtle ways."

>>51134457

Its not Red, its imperial or Tyrian purple. Its the shade worn by the Roman emperors.

>>51134508
The legs match by numeric sequence - leg bit 18 goes with leg 19, leg bit 22 goes with 23 etc

The front and back halves of the torso just fit together, they're not paired. So they're like regular power armor torsos where a back will fit a front, no particular preference

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>>51134403
Is it for reasons similar to why Assault Marines under perform? If it means any difference, I'd likely be playing on boards that are ZM or similarly dense.

>>51134492
I'm planning to only pick a single armour plate on every Marine to paint the hazard Stripes on so it looks a little as those plastic dudes modified their armour themself partwise, so this should not be a big problem.

I used a Harder&Steenback Evolution Silverline Two in One a friend of mine lent me for this project.
Actually my first time working with an airbrush, but I'm very pleased with the smoothness of the basecoats. There is not much to it to get an even coat with a high quality airbrush as it seems to me.

>>51134565
Burgundy is almost brown though, bordeaux gets closer to crimson imo.

>>51134457
It looks like a Red Violet (ie. Bordeaux or adjecent), technically it is a purple, just a very reddish one.

>>51134586
He knows it.

>>51134508
Can't people dry fit pieces before assembly?

Then again, the amount of Russ hatches I've seen mounted upside down makes me think even manuals can't release me from this evil...

Post Moon Wolves.

>>51134654
Fury of the Legion is a good rule that you're likely to use before your squad gets whittled down by trying to get too close to the enemy.

>>51134508
If they're anything like the Betrayal at Calth set, you should be able to just dry fit the legs to see which stand flat on a base and go from there. Everything else is interchangable, so you should be fine.

>>51134665
Fuck these names.

In my native tongue there's a colour that's literally called "wine red" and I always associated it with burgundy. Now that I googled it, it's also called "bordeaux red", but the English translation says "Maroon."

>>51134686
>Indomitus armor.
If we ever get rules for it that aren't just "Strictly worse Tartaros"

>>51134808
dont know how it grabbed the wrong post but green text'd from the correct one >>51134237

>>51134802
What's your native tongue?

>>51134862
I bet he's german.

>>51134808
>tfw Tartaros was worse than Indomitus at 6++ save
>tfw Tartaros was the same as Indomitus

I'll never again know >tfw

I can't see them ever giving Indomitus any variation rules, since it should have rules equal to 40k terminators. Giving terminators different rules was a mistake. Should have just kept it universal across the board like with PA.

>inb4 "so why would anyone buy suit X over suit Y then?"

I dunno, why do people buy MkII or IV instead of MkVI or III?

Rolled 6 (1d10)

>>51134911
I want to bet his name is Hans too.

>>51133859
>more than they're worth

Eh, it depends. They're godamn hilarious to tie up a Primarch or Praetor and his retinue for a couple
turns, but if your enemy has even one Vindicator, Paladin, or anything similar, it's gonna be a sad day.

>>51134650
>>51134686
>>51134798

Thanks battle-senpai.

>Can't people dry fit pieces before assembly?

If there is a specific number combo I'd rather just leave them on the sprue so I see the numbers than snip everything off and attempt ot dry fit my way to the right combination.

>>51134946
Vindicator still costs more than 20 Fearless Carapace Thralls. And it wont kill all 20 in one shot. If its a squadron then its 4x as much as that one blob and not shooting your important units. But if they make it across the board they have to sink points into killing them.

Thralls are pure platinum. They earn back their points by dying. What other unit can claim that?

Thats my point.

>>51134934
Nah, I bet on something more modern like Christian oder Alex.

>>51134808

Cataphractii: 4++ SnP
Indomitus: 5++ Relentless
Tartaros: 5++ Sweeping Advance

>>51134999
Tartaros still have relentless.

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>>51134987
Now that really makes me think.

Inferno I need you to come out so I know which shade of red to paint my marines!

>>51135024

I'm saying if you want to make them different, remove Relentless from Tartaros.

>>51135082

They're just going to give you artwork diagrams that don't even match the FW or GW red. You'll notice the artwork for SoH, AL, and WE blue don't match the official schemes either.

>>51134987
My grandmother said to my parents that I had been given an old man's name.

>>51134999
>>51135088
Nah, real solution would be

Indomitus, 2+/5++ Relentless, Targeter: +1BS.

>>51135103
I just mean if I should go BA, WB or TS.

>>51135144
Ah, so Caspar.

>>51135088
Too late to radically change it, people have already equipped Tartaros with combi plasma and the like. The most logical next step would be to give Indomidus rules. Like the old targeter rule. Simple, effective.

>>51135150
Ninja'd as I typed

>>51135160
To be honest, there are much bigger differences between those three than the shade of red on their armour. Do you really not have a preference based on what you know of those legions?

>>51135218
I'd prefer TS but I'm worried with how long the book is taking to come out that they are going to suck. BA are a close second because they were the first faction I played in 40k.

>>51134985
True, but my point is more that it's dicey. The benefit comes in the overwhelming number of bodies, and losing 10 or more of those to shooting can be crippling. But that's why you take a metric fuckload, cause at 80 points for 20 fearless bodies you can spam better than pretty much anything out there

The best is against gun platforms and the like, tying up deredeos, Devs, and other heavy weapons squads is hilarious. They either dedicate 2-3 turns of an assault unit coming in to free them, or give up and leave it in the tarpit.

>>51135150
>tfw I cut all the targeters off my Indomitus

>>51135316
>and losing 10 or more of those to shooting can be crippling
Shooting that didnt target your krios, thanatar, castellax, or the like. They shoot your thralls youre winning. Every shot wasted on expendable fearless thralls isnt hittign whats actually important. And then they cant just ignore them either.

By taking fearless thralls your already stacking points trades in your favor. They get shot your oppoenent is trading down. The tarpit, score, or deny, then whooboy are you way ahead.

>>51135082
FW books never tell you how they do it, but they do share their recipe if you email them. They've already painted the guys they photographed for the book, so go ahead. It appears to be Tamiya Clear Red over a gold base.

>>51135283
They've been late before - it doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem with the rules. But it's reasonable to be worried. It's very hard to balance psychic powers, especially under the current 40k rules. And what happens when 8th edition arrives? If HH adopts 8th, it could affect TS more than any other legion.

But probably not for long. And at worst, you just end up a tiny bit weaker, like EC. It's not THAT big a difference.

I'd be more worried about TS not being red for many battles. Did they all turn blue, or just Arhiman's?

Maybe Indomitus could get more options?

Tartaros gets no heavy weapons, Cataphractii gets one, Indomitus gets two (per five) and/or a targeter (+1 BS).

>>51134397
Anon, don't you know that the EC went pink because
>Eidolon got in a cockfight with some rando Lord Commander never heard of before but we're supposed to be impressed by,
>the rando tried to kill Eidolon by dumping acid on him and all his doodz, but
>Eidolon and his absolute madmen just got off on being given full body acid burns and started mainlining the stuff after killing the LC and his men
>BTW the acid turned their armour pink
>Eidolon loved the look so much he ordered all the acid bottled up to be taken back to Fulgrim's main EC fleet element so he could spread the joy of bathing in acid

Truly epic poetry huh?

>>51135603
There's no canon clear cut fully definitive point in the timeline or explanation in any source why all TS turned blue been given yet
>inb4 but
That painting is officially non canon
That's just Amon's warband
That's just Ahriman's warband
We don't know when or why the ones on the Planet of Sorcerers went blue
They're not even all blue anymore anyway, thanks GW

>>51135698
>Tartaros gets no heavy weapons
Too late on that too, the kits comes with heavy weapons with tartaros arms. We can subtract anything for existing kit.

The Indomidus getting +1BS and maybe an additional heavy weapon would be perfect

>>51136052
>The Indomidus getting +1BS
Won't all the Iron Warriors players start complaining again?

>>51136085
Inconsequential to the task at hand.

>>51136085
>>51136094

That's a bonus and just one more reason to do it.

Why not just add points costs to the termi sets instead, with Indomitus being standard, and mebbe +15/20/25? to upgrade the unit to a different set? I dunno.

>>51136117
Well then it's like Armored Ceramite. You only DON'T take it if you really do not have the points, since if you're investing in a unit like that it won't work well if you half-ass it.

>>51136117
Because they're supposed to be variations of the same unit not different units.

>>51136157
>>51136193
I suppose so, but the current problem is Tartaros being Indomitus+ with no downsides compared to regular termi armor.

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>>51136094
>>51136116
Why are we in this Crusade? Just to be shafted? Every day I can feel the IW-specific minis that haven't been released, the star on my chest.
You feel it too, don't you?
I'm going to make them release our minis.

>>51135698
What if we make it so Indomitus has a 2+/5++ and Tartaros has 2+/6++ which becomes a 5++ in close combat?

I'm tellin' ya guys, it's a lot easier to just add a simple rule like the Targeter than gutting, redoing, changing costs, etc, etc. It doesn't have to be grounf breaking, there should just not be a strictly worse option.

>>51136523
Considerin termis are going to be charging out of something it's not really that big of a difference.

I still motion Targeter is the simplest, easiest, most effective way.

Cataphractii is defense.

Tartaros is mobility.

Indomidus is suppport.

>>51136463
Go back to giving tartaros a 6++ instead of a 5++ or a 6++ at range and 5++ up close like a combat shield. Then you have.
>6++ can sweep
>5++ can't sweep
>4++ can't sweep or run

If you want versatility Indomitus, if you want a dedicated assault unit that can sweep choose tartaros, if you want a hard to kill but slow unit ideally for shooting get cataphractii.

>>51136463
The result is you never see Indomitus.
How is that a problem?

>>51136516

THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE

>>51136617
Its stupid to have options that are objectively better than other options. If there was an RPG would you say it is good game design if two guns had the exact same stats but one had double the range?

>>51136726
If I was selling miniatures for the RPG and one of the options was for a miniature sold by my brother, you bet I'd do it.

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>>51134397
>we know that the 1kSons changed to blue after the Rubric-ing.
Only Ahriman's warband is blue, the majority kept the old colours.

>>51134397
Is the World Eater using a WHFB ogre's gut plate as a shield?
That's fucking brilliant.

Whoever made/painted these is great.

Did Valkyrie dropships exist during the time of the Horus Heresy?

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soon

>>51137620
Godspeed anon

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>>51134397

Green check mark = looks good

Red x = looks bad

Post your own chart to prove me wrong...IF YOU CAN

>>51137620
do post results

Lorgar was right

>>51138294
That the Emperor was a liar? Yes.

That this post is bait? Yes.

Everything else is debatable, but that's not why I love him and his legion.

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>>51137743
Fucc u :)

>>51137743
none of them are carrying more than one magazine. all shit, take away their Fury of the Legion.

>>51138361
Oh, come now when's the last time a Tactical Marine fired more than 21 rounds in one of your games?

>>51138340

The Emperor didn't lie from a certain point of view. So long as humanity believes in the Emperor's vision of the galaxy as it is, as it should be, and as it will be, the Chaos gods could not hurt it and would have had no power over the ultimate victory of a post-Emperor era in the webway heaven.

But a select few spoiled it for everybody.

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>>51138352

You got 2 of them right

>>51138455
I never specified what lie(s) I was talking about, but him saying that gods didn't exist is indeed a lie.

However, you are indeed correct.

>>51138559

They're daemons and abominations. Immortality does not make them gods, it only makes the challenge of defeating them even greater. The true 'god' is free will, and the Emperor understood this.

>>51137743
I think they all look good outside of the emp children one
not purple enough. I could nitpick and say the blood angels isn't dark enough or that the thousand sons isn't metallic.

>>51138607
my only issue is the Bitter Brother being such a bright metal gray, thought it was white at first.

>>51134536
Only things there are steers and queers anon.
And I don't see any horns on (you)

>>51138911
Are you John Wayne? Is that me?

>>51135971
In Ahriman's books most of the TS retained the old colour millennia into the long war ffs

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I'm slowly but surely working through my legion display.. I've got 10 built. Some are close to done, some are basecoats and primer only etc.

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>>51139922

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>>51139944

>>51139963

I demand you tell me your recipe for that IW metal and what little bit you glued on his backpack. If you want your family to be safe...

>>51137620
How much did that silicone cost?

>>51139963
Top left
>*vader breathing noises*

Top right
>This is what imma stick ya with m8. I swear on me mum.

Bottom left
>I-I didn't pick up anything off the xenos. I don't have anything.

Bottom right
>Fuck me m8. I'va 'ad too many

Are they planning on releasing more Primarch models?

I'm wanting to start a 30k legion since they look better than 40k but using 40k just now to learn how to paint and then maybe play. Still stuck on what Legion to pick but I'd like one that has a Primarch model so that I have a nice centrepiece for it.

I'm leaning towards Emps Children since I like the purple and their story seems interesting. Only problem is there isnt any books in the mega links that are about them so its harder to get a good full lore unless there's a good wiki out there.

>>51140129

No they're done releasing Primarchs. They said they decided to randomly stop in the middle because the studio had to focus on making more plastic boxed sets. The other legions are just going to have to convert one.

>>51140129
That is a dumb question, but yes. There will be a primarch for every playable legion.

>>51140048
The backpack is from the betrayal at calth chaplain lookalike mini. And the armour is just 1 steel, 2 then light dry brushing of silver. 3 washed with 50/50 black and brown wash ( whether it's nuln/agrax, or APs dark/strong tones, it doesn't matter). 4 Then I finally added silver paint and gloss medium for the chrome bits on the most exposed areas. If you don't have gloss medium ,just gloss varnish it after Painting. Same effect.

It's really important to drybrush the silver before the wash so the metal tones are highlighted, but still dirty.

I just filed some FW resin indoors


Am I going to get cancer

>>51139944
>>51139922

What the fuck is wrong with that DGs face

>>51140528
Did you at least do it in an open space?

>>51140528
Not unless you snort it first.
So snort it :^)

>>51140078
$25 per pack, so $50 total

>>51137189
That's only in the Ahriman novels from BL and we all know that ain't canon.

>>51136592
personally I'd prefer Indomitus to become the 'budget' terminators : no extra rules, but make it the cheapest option to field terminators.

>>51138294
But Erebus was left.

>>51140528
>You have 9 months remaining at best. Use them well anon.

Far as I know it's not guaranteed to always cause cancer, I highly doubt they would be allowed to sell that stuff otherwise.

>>51140528
No, but dont fucking do it again retard

If you need to file indoors do it under running water or something

>>51140568

Define open


Because if my living room over the box my atrapos came in counts as open, then yes

>>51140591

There was a lot of dust but I don't think I snorted any of it

>>51140715

You'd be surprised what's legal

>>51140757

Huh, running water sounds way smarter

>>51140757
This but better:

>get shitty tupperware that comes with chinese food
>fill with water
>stick model or piece under water
>file
>all the shit gets stuck to the file or goes into the water
>wipe everything off, dump water in trash

>>51140487

VMA Steel right?

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>>51141049
Sorry I shoulda been specific. I used plate mail metal by AP for the steel basecoat. Here's the 4 paints I used (plus some gloss medium)

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>>51140528
I don't think it's technically cancer that you have to worry about. It's your lungs getting scratched up by microparticles. It's cumulative, so one time isn't going to do much harm. But stop it. Wear a mask and/or do all your sanding and filing under running water.

>>51140129
Start with FW's first HH book, Betrayal. Then read the novel Fulgrim. No, not everyone likes it. I thought it captured the legion pretty well though. The Path of Heaven is mostly about White Scars but it has some great Emperor's Children in it as the antagonists.

They're not the easiest legion to play because they're pretty dependent on getting the charge, but they're one of the best looking. Read up online for great ideas for the Maru Skara rite of war.

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>>51141222

Is that Spartan teeny tiny epic scale?

What are good Arvus Lighter proxies?

I really don't want to use that shitty little snow speeder.

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>>51140783
This.
Remember, the tupperware must be shitty and chinese, otherwise you'll get cancer AND AIDS.
If you use Coca Cola instead of water, you'll get diabetes, and if you microwave it you'll get Double Cancer TM, essentially a regular day in the Destroyer Corps.
But true DGs can sweat it out doing a few push ups.

>>51140557
I overdid it with the glowing lens effect. Too much Killzone.

>>51141336
>Put stub wings on a Rhino
>Don't put treads
>???
>Profit?

>>51135325
>cutting off shouldercams
monster

>>51141544
>Yfw that flying box is fluffier than the new Custodes Palladius carrier.
Paint it gold, be what you must

>>51141213

I had heard the AP Warpaints metallics were quite good but I didn't realize they were that good.

>>51134802
Same.
Rojo vino & Marrón

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>>51133678

I need your opinion /hhg/. How does my World Eater's list look. I'm not doing any tournaments I just don't want to die too my buddies artillery squads+Sigismund.

Is there place it's severely lacking. Also I think about replacing the Spartan with a Storm Eagle.

Things I already have and/or built:Kharn the Bloody, Gahlan Surlak, Terminator Squad, 40 Tactical Squad+Chainaxes or Power Fist, Heavy Support Squad, Sicaran

I'll have the list in part 2

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>>51133678
>>51141658

+++ We 2500 (2500pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts) ++

+ HQ (300pts) +

Gahlan Surlak (110pts)

Kharn the Bloody (190pts) [Legacy of Blood (20pts)]
Master of the Legion [Beserker Assault]

+ Troops (525pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (135pts) [Augmented Inductii, Chainaxe(s), 9x Marines (90pts)]
Legion Tactical Sergeant (Artificer Armour)

Legion Tactical Squad (150pts) [Augmented Inductii, Chainaxe(s), 9x Marines (90pts)]
Legion Tactical Sergeant (Artificer Armour)Power Fist (15pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (240pts) [Augmented Inductii, Chainaxe(s), 18x Marines (180pts)]
Legion Tactical Sergeant (25pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Fist (15pts)]

+ Elites (665pts) +

Apothecary (55pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts)] Chainaxe

Legion Terminator Squad (610pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Chainfist (40pts), 4xTerminators (120pts)]
Legion Terminator Sergeant (20pts) [Chainfist (10pts), Grenade Harness (10pts)]
Dedicated transport: Legion Spartan Assault Tank (375pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Dozer Blade (5pts), Flare Shield (45pts)]

+ Fast Attack (230pts) +

Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (115pts)

Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (115pts)

+ Heavy Support (780pts) +

Legion Heavy Support Squad (310pts) [Hardened Armour (25pts), 7x Marines (140pts), Volkite Culverin (80pts)]Legion Sergeant (10pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts)]

Legion Kharybdis Assault Claw (235pts)

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (235pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Auxiliary Drive (10pts), Lascannons (40pts)]

>>51141671
>opponent brings 2 flyers

wat do?

>>51141684
The same thing you do with a cyberdemon

>>51141764
Rip and tear until it is done?

>>51141684
Isn't the sicaran reasonable for that ?

>>51140168
hopefully Tyrant Siege terminators soon

Did they ever reveal the Christmas jigsaw? I don't remember ever seeing what that random mash of models ended up being and I can't find it anywhere.

>>51141990
You're gonna get 1 or 2 6's to hit after rerolls on the autocannon.

It's just not that reliable is all.

>>51142030
Fuck me. Just realized it was those 3 models. Well I am re disappointed.

>>51142002
All you need is a Cyclone missile set to apply to regular Cataphractii. It would double up for Fulmentarius termies and generic/40k use.

I just use magnetised Spellcrow parts.
http://www.spellcrow.com/blizzard-missile-launchers-p-305.html

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>>51141684
I will probably mostly play with the small of friends I have right now which isn't flyer heavy(yet) But I do plan on getting one of these in the future.

The things I'm more worried about right now is artillery squads,Sigismund, Alexis Polux, Anacharis Scoria, Firedrakes, Pyroclasts, 10 man Assault Cannon squads, Thanatar Siege-Automata, Castellaxs, Vultarax Stratos.

Is there anything else will change or does the rest look good.

>>51141764
Rip and tear.

>>51142030
>>51142055
?

>>51133900
there's one SW shoulder pad that if looked at only vaguely could be interpeted as almost having the correct shape, FW used to do transfers and brass - but stopped because no one was buying it. its generics, super expensive 3d printed ones, self sculpted or home made transfers thats the name of the game.

I don't guess someone has a link to the Night Lords v Space Sharks book? I want to see how my favourite Traitors do against my favourite almost-Traitors

>>51142743

It's called Red Tithe and I don't think anyone has provided the full book.

>>51142843
Well shit

Help me pronounce these words correct, /tg/:
- Achean
- Lernean
- Invictarii

>>51142990
ez pz
Ack-ian
Learn-ian
In-vick-tar-ee-eye
Next?

>>51142990
>Eh (like a stereotypical Canadian, so no soft e sound, but more a hard A sound. Like in stay, or pray.)-Kay-en
>Ler-Nay-en
>In-Vic-Tar-Ee-Eye(?)

>>51142990
uh-KAY-un
LEARN-ee-un
in-vic-TAR-ee-ee

>>51142990
>Can't even spell Lernaean right

>>51143017
>>51143034
>>51143108
So easy no one remotely agrees on any

>>51143034
>>51143017

>In-Vic-Tar-Ee-Eye
it's rome total war all over again
the ending ii is pronounced like so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTmE5pKOABo
unless the future pseudo latin has been butchered by the English and Americans as well

>>51143220
Isn't Latin one of those languages you pronounce every letter in? Also, taking one spoken suggestion from one video game doesn't necessarily mean it's the only correct way to say it.

>>51143237
e-eye is is the English pronunciation
ee-eee is the latin one, you do pronounce every letter what are you on about ?
the whole triarii debacle is well known in twg cause a lot of autists sperged out about how it was mispronounced in rome 1
same with hoplites
they fixed it in rome 2
trust me on this one tree-ARE-ih-ee, and by extension in--vic-ta-rih-ee is the correct way

>>51143108
This anon is the only one that got them right. Right, in the sense that we, as anons in M3 would pronounce them. 27k years in the future though, some shit may be pronounced differently.

>>51143297
Yeah, I googled some shit and saw that I was wrong. Sorry about that anon.

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>>51143237
.....No, Latin isn't one of those languages. And for that matter, I'm honestly curious what language is purely phonetic in its pronunciations, because I'm drawing a blank.

>>51142990
Ahk-ayy-ahn
Lehr-nay-ahn
>in-vik-tahr-ee-aye/ee, depending on who you ask.

>>51143335
Diphthongs aside, Latin is about as phonetic as you're going to get.

>>51143335
Croatian is almost, there's only one exception where a letter's unvoiced.

>>51143017

He literally got all of them wrong.

>>51143335
It's hard to say if Fulgrim's facial expression actually means he is disgusted or he just had somebody kick him in the testies mid-orgasm

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>When Terra violates its Non Aggression Pact and sends a retribution fleet so you respond by overthrowing the forgeworld with your Daemon Engines™ and plunge it into the warp.

>>51143372
ee-eye is incorrect anon

>>51136052
I would not start messing with the loadouts, the whole point is that the suits can be interchangeable in the same squad.

Hi /hhg/!

I have two questions:

1. For Blood Angels legion iconography how different are their designation colours from their 41st millennium brothers? I'm doing a Pride of the legion list to get started and I was wondering if my veterans should have golden helmets or not.

2. Do the MK IV Despoiler marines suffer from the weird thinness that a lot of the other Forge World MK IV kits suffer from? I'd like to use those as a base for my guys, but if so I guess I'll figure out something else.

>>51143335

>I'm honestly curious what language is purely phonetic in its pronunciations, because I'm drawing a blank

Nipponese

>>51143335
> language is purely phonetic in its pronunciations
Finnish apart from specific words. There's hardly any intonation as well, it's just gray coarse word porridge.

>>51144188

The Despoilers use the same legs. The Destroyers have thin legs but it's hidden due to their wide stance and holsters and accessories.

You should wait until FW releases BA because they might change the way they do things.

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>>51142990
>- Lernean
Fi-err

Tfw 4chan thinks you're proxying because it registered you're no longer in the same state, so it bans you, but it's simply because vacations have ended

>>51143335
Spanish is almost entirely phonetic, save the gu, but that's what the gü is for.
That's why I pronounce it as I see it.
Assuming the e sounds like how it does in "meh" and "I" as "EE", and the "check" as "k" it goes
>>51142990
Akean
Lernean
Invictari
Alt.
InvictaREEEEEE NON ROMANCE LANGUAGES GET OUT!
>>51143578
>he just had somebody kick him in the testies mid-orgasm
So, double orgasm
>>51143722
Fucking kek. Saved
>>51144348
Ferrum Parientum

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The best of both worlds to me. What do you think \tg

+++ White Scars 2000/2000pts) +++

++ Chogorian Brotherhood ++

+ HQ (380pts) +

Legion Centurion (170pts) [Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Power Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field]
Consul [Librarian]

Legion Praetor (210pts) [Artificer Armour, Cyber-hawk, Iron Halo, Legion Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Power Glaive]

+ Elites (275pts) +

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (275pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen]
Additional Wargear [2x Plasma gun]
Combi-weapon [Combi-weapon: Plasma gun]
Combi-weapon [Combi-weapon: Plasma gun]
Combi-weapon [Combi-weapon: Plasma gun]
Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter]
Power Weapon [Power Axe]

+ Troops (820pts) +

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron (280pts) [6x Space Marine Sky Hunters, 2x Volkite Culverin]
Sky Hunter Sergeant [Melta Bombs]

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron (260pts) [2x Multi-Melta, 6x Space Marine Sky Hunters]

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron (280pts) [6x Space Marine Sky Hunters, 2x Volkite Culverin]
Sky Hunter Sergeant [Melta Bombs]

+ Fast Attack (360pts) +

Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (130pts)
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Heavy Bolter, 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher]
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Heavy Bolter, 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher]

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter (230pts) [Battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Kraken Penetrator Heavy missile]

+ Heavy Support (165pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (165pts) [Accelerator Autocannon, Pintle-mounted Heavy Bolter]

>>51144611
Doesn't marksmen fuck over your plasma guns and combi-plasmas?

>>51144636
How so ?

>>51144611
> power axe on Vet Sarge.
Literally why. Power Glaives are better in every way.
Also anti tank seems a little lacking... 2 kraken missiles and melta bombs probably isn't enough. Besides that, got2gofasta 4 the Khan, brother

>>51139944
I recognize that DG. He can't wake up inside. Nice lantern for your Word Bear.

Starting a UM army after a fair time away.
Where can I go for basic advice, as it seems dudes on foot are no longer of any great use?

>>51144792
Because GW can't into rules writing, the sniper rule forces them to wound on a 4+, rather than the 2+ they'd get against marines using the plasma gun's strength. It's better against the really big mechanicum stuff, but worse against anything T6 or less.

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Tell me about your worst 30k experience. Did That Guy rape your footsloggers with Phosphex? Did the Dice Emperor not like you? Did one of your minis break during the game?

>>51144838
List guy here.

Kraken missiles are bought in pairs, so that's 4 but for the 2500pts list i have two of those.

Also Javelins with Lascannons would be better than Hunter missiles ?

Can I make something with the veterans maybe ?

>>51144949
Wasn't that overrun by some FaQ ?

>>51144977
Yes.

>>51139922
>>51139944
>>51139963
Awesome minis, who's Mr. Big sword man?

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>>51145021
Can't find it, where in the FAQ was it?

>>51145091
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
It's on the OP nobody reads.

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There been any new info on the Epic reboot?

>>51144607
Also, Armeelus Deenat.
Was very surprised when I heard them pronounce "Dainat".
I guess this pronunciation is a lie

Are seekers fluffy for IF? After seeing them in action I took a real liking to me and have a niche in my army they could fit in. Does the +1 BS work with their BS 5 when it comes to the bolter on their combi weapon? I was picturing combined plasma because I normally play against death star intensive armies and the reroll to 1s on both shooting and wounding looks great.

But then I don't want to add them if Imperial Fist looked down on them.

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>>51145334
I assume they gain +1BS when using the bolter part, including specialist munitions.
As for fluffyness, come on. It's bolters. IFs love those things so much they autistically trained until they could shoot better than their fellow superhumans.

Innawalls, shooting your trusty bolter with crates of special ammo. Seldom do Imperial Fists get more comfy than that.

>>51145334
>Are [x] fluffy for [Legion]?
Yes.

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>>51145396
Also this. Thank you.

>>51145387
With BS 6 bolters does it still hit marines on 2's or is it dropped to 1's? Doesn't seem right but then again I've never dealt with fist.

>>51145414
Same thing BS 6 always hits on.

>>51145420
>>51145414
Kek, you'd do wel in reading the main rulebook m8s.
BS greater than 5 starts rerolling ones, and the chances to hit the reroll start low but get higher the better the BS was.
Essentially BS6 is BS5 with a BS1 reroll.
Srsly checkh the rulebook.
Also, BS6 means your Tempest bolts will almost never truly worry about scatter .

>>51145414
a natural 1 is always a miss, BS6 gives you a re-roll at a higher value if I remember it correctly.
check the BRB to be certain.

>>51145334
I tend to run seekers in my fist's list when it pushes over 2k, that's when you see peoe start sinking a lot of points onto a single unit. The tempest bolts are hilariously good with the small scatter and plasma's melt termies, just got to worry about the vanilla defensive stat line.

A vox is good to deep strike something to obstruct units from getting into melee with them (I use sigil shield/thunder hammer termites) or some additional firepower when multiple units start closing the gap (assault cannon termites).

The way you use them is what makes them fluffy not the unit inherently.

>>51145414
>>51145420

your to hit is a 7-BS
it can never go below 2 however
so you keep the spare amount and substract that from a 7 , this is what your reroll hits at
so for BS 6 that's
first shot to hit : 7-5 = 2 (keep 1 spare casue you can't go below 2)
rerolled second shot to hit: 7-1 = 6

>>51145532
I need to add the best results I've had were with plasma. I tried meltas because after their targeted unit is gone plasma tends to overheat constantly with me but there are better units to go tank hunting.

With seekers I was able to fit a heavy support squad with lascannons, something of a big target. They tend to get overlooked when you're fielding seekers.

>>51145449
Pretty sure anything higher than BS 5 is a reroll to hit, starting on 6's with BS 6, 5's and 6's with BS 7 and so on

>>51145536
Or you could simply add any surplus to the reroll
BS5 = 2+
BS6 = BS5 + reroll @BS1
BS7 = BS5 + reroll @BS2
BS10 = BS5 + reroll @BS5

>>51145586
yeah you're right that is a lot more clearer

>>51145334
Does the reroll to 1's with the plasma mean it negates the first Gets Hot?

>>51145636
Yeah you only get hot if the second roll is also a one.

>>51145636
You're only BS6 for the bolter, not the plasma.

is there any real reason to take the basilisk over the medusa for solar auxilia?

>>51145980
Looks cooler.

Does anyone have the prospero painting guide or at least the blood angels page?

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>>51146086

Is there a page for Alpha Legion as well ?

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>>51146167
There is indeed, although I'm not a fan of the way they've done the scheme myself.

>>51146199
It's not that bad, just meant for peasants and sheep without an airbrush and glorious off-brand paints.

>>51146199
Do they show Iron Hands? I've wanted to learn how they manage the slicked-up scheme. Where's this guide from by the way, it's pretty neat

>>51146199
Thanks a bunch. Though you're right, not really glorious and a tad to bright for my taste.

>>51146235
I use a brush. I am a sheep.

>>51146235
Or the new tint sets, with which Saint Duncan of the Two Thin Layers easily recreated the FW scheme.

>>51146278
The IH oil color isn't in that one, since that guide uses extremely basic techniques for beginners. What you want is a lot of nuln oil and a couple other different colored washes over leadbelcher.

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>>51146278
Yep, got that one too, although again it's not as interesting as FW's scheme. These are from the burning of prospero painting guide, a kind anon dumped them all in one of these generals, so I've got them all saved. I really should look up how to make an imgur album to dump them all in one of these days.

r8 and h8 boys

HQ
Lord Marshal
Archeotech Pistol, Artificer Armour
110 pts

Tactical Command Section x10
100 pts

Tank Commander
Valdor Tank Hunter
355 pts

Elite
Medicae Detachment (for Lasrifle Sections)
60 pts

Auxillia Rapier Battery
x3 Quad Mortar
180 pts

Troops
Tercio #1
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts

Tercio #2
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts

Tercio #3
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Lasrifle Section
100 pts
Flamer Section
125 pts
Aegis Defence Line
50 pts
Fast Attack
Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery
x2 Heavy Bolter, x1 Lascannon
100 pts

Heavy Support
Malcador
235 pts

Malcador
235 pts

Total: 2500 pts

>>51134450

My tip would be that you should have done the eyes before you inked them.

>>51146692
Refresh me, I thought TCs still took up an HQ slot.

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>>51146235
they are genuinely bad
and heavily brightened to
pic related is the same colour as this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLgofiXBEQ

>>51146734
They do
cost of them is 55 plus the tank

>>51146734
So ? AoD FoC has 3 HQ slots.

>>51146800
Oh fug, I play too much 40k.

>>51146800
>>51146818
Honestly i wish they'd implement 3 HQ slots into 40k

>>51146846
>Implying anyone uses CAD over decurions anymore

>>51146914
I do.

>>51146954
Pfff, casual, do you even triple riptide?

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>>51146742
Pardon me but didn't someone had posted the full pdf already? Or some pic compilation, I dont remember

>>51147014
No, my strongest thing is a flying Khorne Daemon Prince with Goredrinker.

>>51146199
Honestly just mix Temple Guard Blue with some silver paint. Probably 3 to 1. Then gloss varnish it.

I feel I missed part of the narrative about the shadow crusade. What happened between nuceria (angron's ascension and all that) and imperium secundus being established? Did guilliman turn the war around and drive off most of the WE/WB, or did the traitors decide they'd done enough and leave of their own accord?

>>51143335
Macedonian.

Was literally standardized under the rule "one letter, one sound"

Reminder that if you play IW you're a lazy painter, a WAACfag, an autist or all of the aforementioned at the same time.

>>51147524
you play IW then?

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>>51147524
>Meanwhile the Spess wovles...

>>51146692
Will we ever get plastic Lasrifle Sections?
Its the only real thing holding me back from getting Solar Auxilia

What's a solid 'hold the line' unit that can do well in melee? Ideally it should be able to kill heavy armor, but that's not totally necessary. Any recommendations?

>>51147626
20 tacticals with chainswords and melta bombs
fury of the legion works absolute wonders

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>>51147615
But anon, they already exist!

>>51147648
It's why I use 2 or 3!

>>51147080
http://imgur.com/a/aBKJE
here you go anon

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>>51147700

>>51147615
just buy them anon , they look awesome

I can't really make a decent army out of just the plastic stuff from the boxed games, right?

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>>51147700
kek
>>51147736
Thank you.
I'll add it to the OP, so that no one inds it again :^)

>>51147795
You can do a reasonable PotL list with BaC, but it'll be meh. You can add FW or GW tanks and make a fine list though.

No point getting infantry from FW in my opinion since the plastic is so cheap and gives options, though people have different views on it

>>51147795
You can get a very decent army if you add some plastic mars pattern rhinos, land raiders, maybe some predators ...

>>51147615
>buy scions
>realize it's cheaper to just get the actual fucking resin dudes

>>51147588
>shoulder pad trim aren't equally thicc
>[triggered]

I would have at least put a regular MkVII pad on the other shoulder to make them equal.

>>51147857
>especially from china

>>51147883
>it even comes with free cancer

>>51147898
Not any more than normal resin.

Wash, clean and file it while you submerge it in water and give it a good coat of primer. Wear a respirator if you really have to.

>>51147795
I think only resin bits I got are some 3rd party bits for decorative purposes. BaC and BoP gives you plenty of infantry and with some bits purchases you can turn them into various support squads. About all the GW plastic vehicles are kosher and you can make stuff like MkVI dudes from GW bits. I made a squad of MkVI seekers. Put scopes on their bolters and some sternguard ammo sets on their belts.

>>51147898
>not getting health resin from pillpit

>>51148101
I wonder if all the recasters know each other, and how they decided to start the black market.

>>51148145

They all probably all worked at the canceled GW factory in china

>>51147926
I know, just meme-ing.

Found one that does recasts of the DA character Sammael though. The urge to order a bunch and convert a unit of proper looking jetbikes out of them is becoming hard to resist...

>>51146711
Nah, I have a selfmade white was that will be put in the eyeholes first as a base, followed by a white tripe in the middle, followed by a thin coat of transparent red to get a glow effect. It's all planned, but I get where you want to go with your tip.

>>51148774
>selfmade white
Blessings of Slaanesh

>>51148841
I realised that after I hit the "post" button...

>>51147800
As an aside, the OP could do with being tidied up, if any of the mighty bakers of bread feel so inclined.

>>51148955
This. If nothing else, the current and out-of-date books could maybe do with being explicitly labelled. You still see people downloading the wrong red book or whatever and then making lists/asking for advice on the basis of incorrect info.

>>51143297
>>51142990
Linguists think the first "i" would've sounded like i in "bit", and the second one like i in "sheep". When you say it fast the first one kind of gets lost other than to lengthen the "ee" sound.

Wow, never realized how cool the Stormblade is. It's cheaper than most other LoW's, can melt really anything, and it's got a good variety of shooting to boot.

Not to mention it's only 120£ to the 170-ish range of most others. Am I missing something, or is it just really a good get?

>>51148917
So, only after "hitting it" you came to realize what your self-made white had gestated?
:^)

>>51147524
What if I hate playing IW almost as much as I hate YOU?

>>51149104
>Am I missing something
the fact that the fucking thing has been out of stock for like 4+ months now

>>51149043
>When you say it fast the first one kind of gets lost other than to lengthen the "ee" sound.
Then you could pronounce -ii like -ei (hey).
I mean the subconscious would still read it InvictaREEEEEE, but you'd know the truth.
>>51148955
Fine. I'm going to bake thread XIVth anyway.

>>51149367
>>51149043
>>51142990
>>51143297
Quick reminder that this is how much english has changed in pronunciation in a mere 4-500 odd years:
https://youtu.be/gPlpphT7n9s?t=2m51s

>>51149542
And then there are these shaytes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZyNLZZjMs

>>51149104
Only issue is that the Fellblade looks far more like a legion vehicle. But yeah, the Stormblade's good.

>>51147795
Armies without transports can work if you play a legion that gets Infiltrate and/or Outflank on a large number of units. Night Lords and Alpha Legion come to mind.

Drop pods (the plastic GW ones) are a good option too, though it usually requires taking a certain Rite of War. Plastic Rhinos and Land Raiders don't necessarily look the part, but they're fine. Same with Land Speeders, Dreadnoughts, Bikes, Attack Bikes, and plastic Predators (and Vindicators and Whirlwinds). They were around and work well, just aren't "iconic" for the Heresy compared to the more expensive FW versions. Actually, buying a Land Raider Mk IIb from FW (plastic Land Raider + a few old-timey resin parts) gives you better points/money value than any of those plastic kits.

Contemptors are great, but the plastic one isn't. If you have two, I'd do a weapons swap - one with double Kheres (Mortis), the other with double fists (run as a Cortus).

You'll probably want FW weapon upgrade kits to turn some of your marines into Support or Heavy Support dudes, and I'd also get some Apothecaries if you're footslogging.

>>51142084
The christmas jigsaw was the new custodes grav tank thing, a blood bowl model, an d a khorne demon for AoS

Hey /hhg/ does anyone have that old fluff piece about the traitor marine waiting for the loyalist marine to get up and then they fight? I remember that the traitor says "brother" right before they fight. It is proving to be a surprisingly elusive bit of fluff.

>>51149911
>don't necessarily look the part
>aren't "iconic"

FW's 30k isn't "iconic", they make a lot of design changes from stuff you've seen in, say, Visions, Index Astartes, etc. The stuff most people associated with 30k back before FW's HH.

Don't suppose anyone has the Fabius Bile Primogenitor ebook up for grabs?

>>51150053
I have that short story somewhere ... Maybe in the space marine short stories omnibus ? So many books ...

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What the fucking FUUUUUUCK

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>>51150053
I was certain you meant this bit from Vulkan Lives Matter, but it doesn't include the "brother" line. Would have explained why it's so elusive, as most either avoid the Kyme books like the plague or try to forget they've read them.

>>51150327
[pro painted]

>>51150358
americans have shit standards

>>51150371
more like miniwargaming is just total shit. I got a free vault membership a bit ago and searched through all their vids and only found like 5 that where above the bitch basic 'tabletop' standard. just look at this garbage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j3yAuPeLUM

>>51150358
Wait a second that is not a wip model ?!

Excuse me, I need to go to a corner and cry or something. Even roughbutt girlyman doesn't deserve that kind of treatment

Dumping my homemade salamanders warlord traits, feel free to comment on how they are overpowered

1.MASTER OF THE ARMORY
select one unit with both the legion astartes(salamanders) and either the infantry or jump infantry type, each model in this unit have one of their weapon master crafted
2.DISCIPLE OF THE PROMETHEAN CREED
The warlord gain IWND, in addition every unit within 6" (including the warlord's own) gain the stubborn rule
3.UNYIELDING SPIRIT
the warlord gain fearless, in addition each unit within 6" of the warlord add +1 to their ld
4.REMEMBER ISTVAAN
the warlord gain prefered ennemy(traitor)
5.INTO THE FIRE OF BATTLE
The warlord gain the rage and fleet special rule
6.UNTO THE ANVIL OF WAR
The warlord and his unit gain fnp or +1 to their fnp rolls (to a max of 4+) when within 3" of an objective

>>51150528
> IWND and EW
meme/10

Hi HHG guys, what do you think about this list?

++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v202) (2998pts) ++

Legiones Astartes [ XIII: Ultramarines, Loyalist]

+ HQ (695pts) +

Siege Breaker Consul, Mantle of Ultramar, Combi-Melta, Thunder Hammer, Phospex Bomb [160 pts] (roll with Terminators in Mastodon)

Master of Signal Consul, AA [105 pts] (go with Tactical Squad)

Praetor, AA, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Thunder Hammer. Retinue: 6x Invictarus Suzerian, Thunder Hammer. [430] (Roll in Mastodon)

+ Elites (798pts) +

Apocthecarion Detachment
1x Apothecary, AA, Power Sword [65 pts] (roll with Invictarus)
2x Apothecary (go with Tacticals)

Contemptor Cortus Talon
2x Cortus Dreadnought, Kheres [2x 150pts] (roll in Mastodon)

Legion Quad Launcher, Phospex canister shot [80]

5x Legion Terminators, Tartaros, 2x Chainfist, 3x LC, 4x Volkite Charger, 1x Plasma Blaster, Grenade Harness [263 pts]

+ Troops (610pts) +

20x Legion Tactical Squad, additional CCW, Sergeant w/ AA, MB, PF, Combi-Plasma [305 pts]

20x Legion Tactical Squad, additional CCW, Sergeant w/ AA, MB, PF, Combi-Plasma [305 pts]

+ Heavy Support (155pts) +

·Legion Medusa [155pts] (Not sure if run vanilla or with phospex)

+ Lords of War (740pts) +

Legion Mastadon Heavy Assault Transport, 4x Hunter-killer Missiles Super-heavy Command Tank [740 pts]

TOTAL 2998 pts

I tried to achieve be both "fluffy siege theme" and "semi competetive". Im kinda new to HH games, but played regular 40k since end of 4th edition. For unit swaps I curentlly own Guilliman, Shitloads of magnetised normal Dreadnoughts, one another magnetized Contemptor, magnetized Predator, magnetized Cataphracts/Fulmentarius w/ Cyclones Terminators, CC Leviathan Dread, another 2 Quad Guns and some unassembled PA marines and 3 rhinos.And shitload of guardmens for possible AD of Imperial Army.

Its really hard for me to make HH lits. So many options and so few points and Elite slots :'(

>>51150060
They basically took old 40k and Epic minis, modernized them, and said they were more common in M31. I love it.

Contemptors go back to 2nd edition Epic. The Rhinos, Predators, and Land Raiders are from the Rogue Trader era. The old style 40k Rhinos lasted until the middle of 3rd edition, but in 2nd ed. Predators were already getting boxy turrets and sponsons and the domes and protruding side weapons were on the way out. The Javelin looks more like the White Dwarf DIY deoderant stick Land Speeder than the 2nd ed. boxy metal one or the original that didn't have any piece of hull in front of the driver and gunner. The Spartan was also a DIY model in a White Dwarf article.

Even the lack of heavy weapons in tactical squads looks like old Epic. And the existence of Gorgons but not Chimeras.

>>51150634
> always run phosphex
would be interesting to see a mastadon, spartans are more viable though
I'd add a 3rd tactical blob and move the third apothecary to it, suezarians are tough enough as it is
you have 4 elite slots, correct me if im wrong but I dont think theres an CAD in 30k that lets you do that, so i'd ditch the cortus dreads

>>51150600
How so ?

>>51144956
I played 2 practice games awhile back, both against 40k armies. The first was Death Guard vs Cult Mechanicus, second was Imperial Fists vs Khorne Daemonkin. 2000pt games.
I can't remember the exact lists, though.

DG: played the Reaping w/ a mostly infantry list. I think I had 2 base tac-squads, a veteran squad, and 3 6-man missile launcher squads. Then there was a terminator praetor, some deathshroud, and a scorpius whirlwind.
CM: 1 formation w/ half a dozen robots and several techpriests (which somehow gives them split fire, and saved shots w/ invulnerable save get directed back at shooter) and 1 FW knight.

We called it turn 3. I only had a few models left and had only inflicted 2 wounds and 1 hull point. One of the wounds came back via IWND.
Then I was informed my 2000pts had been playing against a 1500pt list my opponent didn't feel like changing to up the points.

Game 2
IF: Dorn, Sigismund, and a lot of tactical marines.
KDk: diverse list w/ daemon prince, bloodthirster, and other stuff.

Dorn killed the daemon prince, but got taken apart by a soul grinder over the next three turns or so. Siggy killed a bloodthirster and chased around some dog-things the rest of the game.
I can't remember who won.
Pretty sure I lost.

>>51150656
Deimos rhino is a 3rd party conversion kit to make a MkI lookalike. They should have just made a proper MkI rhino. Contemptor got an egg shaped torso with boxnought claws instead of proper hands, and they pulled the kheres from their asses. Spartan should have been a proteus with a ramp, not a whole new tank with quad lascannons, because of reasons. Fellblade and falchion were just Marine baneblade and shadowsword, but then why would people buy the expensive new minies? I know, lets change their weapons so that people will have to buy our models.

MkII and III power armour got a stupid rim around their heads and the armour was made interlocking instead of abutted, resulting in stupid flared legs. Both have the backpack riding way too high compared to the art. Tartaros forced into it for lulz.

>The Javelin looks more like the White Dwarf DIY deoderant stick Land Speeder

Only in that they're both long round shapes. The deodorant conversion was a tank, not a land speeder. The Custodes also get long rounded deodorant tanks, instead of hover rhinos as they should.

>the existence of Gorgons but not Chimeras.

Epic gorgon used the baneblade hull and Chimera hulls are all over old HH art.


I know FW took a lot of old designs, enough to get all the grognards on board, but they've also changed plenty of designs, left designs out and introduced whole new things that never existed before. When it comes to iconic HH, old art always trumps the current year. Hell, if you look at all the old art, you'll see plenty of SM and CSM bikes in it with nothing that looks like the FW Outrider bikes. And plenty of bullock and whatever the other pattern jetbike was, instead of Your Mums Dildoe(tm) that FW came up with.

>>51134450
MMHMM YESS VERY NICE

>>51139963
Is the dude with the xeno sword an Emperors Children?

>>51150634
>>51150808
4 Elites is a 30k thing - the generic ("Crusade") force org chart has it. It's the reason we had that guy proposing an all-grunts alternative - too many elites for him. (Personally, I'd rather just see Rapiers moved to Heavy Support.)

>>51150634
Are you running the Logos Lectora rite of war? It's the only reason you'd need a Master of Signals in that list, but you need another compulsory troop choice to use it. Which is fine - UM's Legiones Astartes special rules encourage the use of multiple smaller squads so split at least one of the tactical blobs.

Comtemptor Cortus Dreads should be kitted out for close combat. I guess if you mean one Kheres and one CCW that's fine.

Flyers will hurt you.

I think the list is too unfocused - you've got artillery hanging back, one big transport going forward, guys on foot... you'll be spread too thin.

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Your opponent plops down this badass and says he's his jetbike praetor.

How fucked are you?

>>51147524
Imperial Fists poster detected.

>>51151272
Immediately yield, congratulate him on his victory and pack my army down.

>>51151272
If I saw an opponent do that it would drive me up the wall.

With primarch said "it was well done"?

>>51134450
How'd you paint them? I love it.

>>51150350
>>51150251

That is definitely not it, although thanks for the effort.

It seemed like a stand alone story, the kind you would find in a rulebook or a white dwarf, not a novel. It was literally just 1 random traitor dude standing around on a battlefield waiting for 1 loyalist marine to dig himself out of the ground.

The loyalist lifts his bolter but it doesnt fire, he pulls out his close combat weapon and growls something along the lines of "traitor!" The traitor then smiles, lifts his arms out to each side and says "brother" before the loyalist charges him. The traitor kills him and then reflects for a second before walking away.

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>>51151095
Agreed on the Spartan. The old Epic Contemptors (not the very first SM dreadnoughts, which have some other name now) do have the same egg torso and assault cannon, though they did have a hand instead of a boxnought claw.

I'm fine with all the other changes they've made. Oh wait no - the Stormhammer annoys me, and it deserves its terrible sales. The original had two big turrets with twin battle cannons each.

>>51151272
I immediately froth with rage and spill my spaghetti everywhere as I REE about unpainted miniatures.

>>51151536
I know the piece you're referring too. Its a piece of old epic fluff from a WD battle report.

the loyalist was half slagged by a melta and after a long time trying to find a word to encapsulate his hatred, deciding on "brother".

>>51150528
>The warlord gain the rage and fleet special rule
You're too s l o w!

>>51151495
Vulkan, he was talking about a chared xenos that he was serving up to Angron.

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>>51151561
>stormhammer
Why did you have to remind me, anon. The new one is so lame by comparison.

>>51151679
It was actually the traitor who said "brother" in the story I am referring to, not sure if that is what you meant. It is part of the reason I love it so much since it was filled with all of the sarcasm you would imagine with a "look at me now, loser" vibe.

The loyalist was pretty beaten up tho.

>>51151759
What is this, a Stormhammer for ANTS?!

>>51151759
Why is Alessio Cortez punching up through that Stormhammer?

>>51150600
I'm still a bit sorry about that one, but the rulebook does combine Fearless with IWND as a trait, while EW and FnP also have appeared as traits.

Do you think the following toned down-ish traits make more sense?

>Unbroken blade: Fearless and FnP(5+), or +1 to existing FnP.

>Preternatural Resilience: Eternal Warrior with IWND(6+).
Alt. EW with reroll successful poison & fleshbane wounds.

>Dusk Raider: night fighting rules are used in turn two, your army has Night Vision
Alt. You can roll to use Night fighting beginning turn two, with greater chances for success each turn. All the army has Night Vision

Alt. Alt. Three infantry units gain Scout and Night Vision. Can roll for Night Vision (at the usual 4+ chance) beginning turn 4

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>>51151495
Angron, when ordering steaks.

>>51151907
I mean, beginning turn two.

>>51151561
>the same egg torso

It's not the same. The FW contemptor torso is very bulbous all around. The epic dread and art of similar dreads have the front more of an angular plate with the waist more rounded and the sarcophagus more prominent. Also the thighs were skinnier and more mechanical. Basically it was more of a humanoid boxnought.

>assault cannon

Pretty sure the 1e Epic just had one set of sprues so the devs had to come up with an explanation for SM vs. SM, so they used the HH. I mean, the marines are clearly in MkVII suits too, so I doubt the models were designed with HH in mind nor that everything about HH was 100% set in stone at that point.

>I'm fine with all the other changes they've made.

I don't fault people for it, I just get a bit annoyed when FW is held as some paragon of what HH is and even if your army is nothing but units of 1:1 recreation of old art, it's not "true 30k" because it's not FW.

>>51151561
the stormhammer isn't great but i personally still prefer it to that

any source for the shit sales other than common sense ?
i mean a 150£ superheavy that only fits in a niche army of what is already a niche setting is kind of a bad idea while a 85£ variant that fits into multiple armies, 40k and the same role is readily available

>>51151561
I wonder how much of an asshole one would be to take a MkI land raider, get a MkI rhino, make the old style spartan and field it as a modern spartan.

>>51151853
I meant the traitor yeah

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>>51152244
Do they really look all that different?

>>51152244
1e Epic was beakies.

>>51152496
Cool, well now I at least know it was from an old WD battle report. May make it easier to find, thanks!

>>51152248
>any source for the shit sales other than common sense ?
No, just haven't seen many in real life or in facebook photo albums of 30k events around the world. Which I spend too much time looking at.

Anecdotally, I'm seeing more Stormlords and Stormblades than ever.

Early new bread

>>51152961

>>51152961

>>51152961

ish

>>51150931
>4++
>EW
>IWND
>Non special character (so you could give him a jump pack or jetbike)
Yeah have fucking fun trying to kill a jetbike praetor with a power fist, lightning claw, digital lasers, and Iron Halo. 7 str 8 AP 2 attacks on the charge, 3 T 5 2+/4++ wounds, eternal warrior, and IWND. Same thing with FnP rolls. Have fun killing my death star now that everyone has a 4++ feel no pain save.

Over half your warlord traits incentive making death stars and nothing else, which not only isn't particularly fluffy for Salamanders (I could see SoH since they liked decapitation strikes) but heavily disincentives other lists as the warlord traits are practically worthless without a death star.
>Preferred enemy traitor
If your warlord isn't a melee beatstick this is worthless. If your enemy aren't traitors this is worthless.
>IWND
Stubborn is nice but the trait is only really good when your warlord is a melee beatstick
>Into the fire
Honestly not even a good trait at all, but literally worthless unless your warlord is a CC beatstick
>FnP
I guess its nice if you want to camp on an objective and dare the opponent to drive you off. Pretty worthless if your warlord isn't leading a death star though.

Pretty much less preferred enemy and fleet (why fleet for the least mobile legion?) and more stubborn, master crafted weapons, and fire.