GW is... actually doing fine? Holy fucking shit.

>>51125555
Of course they do fine, they stopped AoS releases.

That's what happen when you listen to the community

Bringing back Blood Bowl sure helped

Re-introducing specialist games, moving the story and fleshing out the lore of 40K and AoS respectively and creating a bunch of ridiculously high value - low cost SC! boxes means that no-one should be surprised by this.

>>51125572
Only that they DID do releases of AoS in this period: Gorechosen, Beastclaw, GHB, Sylvaneth and Bonesplitterz all happened in the time of this report.

What model is that and where can I get it?

sorry i dont follow 40k

>>51125735
Greater Daemon of Tzeentch (also called Lord of Change). This is new release / update of about a decade old model. You can't get it yet, but it will be released later this month.

>>51125749
Is there a specific date or not yet announced? thank you

>>51125778
Probably by the end of the month.

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>>51125735
You're going to ejaculate on it aren't you anon?
It's okay, we know they've been getting sexier than the Other Greater Daemons recently.

>>51125555

>not buying GW shares when they ditched Kirby

Wew. It's like you don't even want to make money.

>>51125834
Yeah, turns out giving the company some personality made people like it more.

>>51125857
It's not even about personality, it's just about ditching the mad overlord for a reasonable man with common sense and decent idea how business works.

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>>51125824
I'm not familiar with 40k but i can recognize heresy when i see it.

>>51125572
>they stopped AoS releases
>newest release is a Tzeentch army for AoS

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>>51125834
tfw you don't check your investments in 3 months and make ~35% profit

>>51125572
Hey, its okay to like AoS. Dont worry. Its alright now. Its only on 4chan where reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-tards shriek at any mention of AoS. Maybe if they shriek more, GW will be forced to release 9th edition and get rid of AoS right? I mean 9th age is totally killing GW AoS right now right guise??????

>>51125749
>sorry i dont follow 40k
Decade old? Closer to 20 years, Id say.

>>51125572
AoS sells better than Fantasy ever did in the last 10 years. Sorry you got BTFO.

>>51131619
Correction: AoS most niche novel outsold the bible in 10 different, be'lakor approved timelines

>>51131619
show me the sells of AOS only then

We only have the sells of AOS + 40k + specialist games

>>51128689
9th age players are the worst cunts I have to deal with at work.
They are the most condescending neckbeards I have ever known and seem to only be united by their general dislike for AOS rather than a love of the hobby.

Cunts the lot of them.

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>>51132665
Heh their demise is our blessing, without the grognards neckbeard we can enjoy X-wong level of women in AoS

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>>51125555
>https://19485-presscdn-0-14-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2016-17-Press-Statement-final.pdf

>Kevin Rountree, CEO of Games Workshop, said:
>“Our business and our Hobby are in good shape.
>We are pleased to report sales and profit growth in the period across all channels. This improvement was built on a considerable team effort across the business.”
>…Ends…

+Doesn't go into long ramble about how this was his genius at work like Kirby did
+Talks about OUR hobby rather than the GW hobby or business like customers had no affect

Based Rountree is the best thing to ever happen to GW.

>>51132715
Then the report goes and says: we most avoid personal agendas and egos ruin the company.

Is it me or is he getting crap past the radar?

>>51131619
Pull those sales numbers out of your ass and show us then, sempai.

>>51125572
piss off, old WHFB isn't coming back and theres nothing you and the other 5 or 6 disgruntled neckbeards on here can do about it.

Be grateful AoS brought waves of new players back into a dwindling playerbase, turned a profit so that miniatures continued to be manufactured. AoS was the long overdue reboot which revived a community who are now regularly getting the chance to influence the design, rules and releases by voicing their opinions directly.

Frankly chump, you're missing out.

>>51132665
Agreed. Its a pathetic form of protest.

>>51132981
As someone with no dog in this game, why should I play Age of Sigmar? I had some interest in WHFB but never bought anything, and enjoy reading about the Old World. Nothing about the AoS really interests me, and the armies I wanted to play got squatted in the shift. Is there any outstanding reason why I should pick it up?

Personally, I find the Warhammer Fantasy threads comfy and interesting. You guys always seem to reeeee when WHFB is mentioned. What's up with that?

>>51133111
>Personally, I find the Warhammer Fantasy threads comfy and interesting. You guys always seem to reeeee when WHFB is mentioned. What's up with that?

Are you living another reality? Try mentioning AoS or End Times in the /whfb/ thread.

>>51133111
Fuck off with your retarded bait. If none of the models don't interest you, don't buy.

>>51133111
>I had some interest in WHFB but never bought anything

Probably because AoS players hear this. You find WHFB superior to AoS in lore (I agree) and gameplay (I don't but I disgress)... but then never bought anything and expected GW to keep shouldering Warhammer?

AoS didn't kill WHFB. GW outgrew it. They stopped making mass rank-and-file miniatures to extremely detailed multipose plastics, large monsters, etc that meant buying a regiment too costly. GW had the choice to make a cheaper, lower quality units (they tried testing with Skeletons, Orc Boys, Chaos Warriors small packs) and they never sold well.

AoS was just a plan to reuse some assets rather than throw them out. Why didn't you buy WHFB stuff if you wanted it around?

40K fans buy a new Space Marine army a year...

>>51133145

I have seen a few games of WFB played and really liked the rank and file formation shit.

The few games of AOS i have seen played look like 40k fantasy edition. In that round bases, no movement trays, things were being moved all willy nilly ect ect.

Sort of interested in an ironjaws army. or maybe doing something with dwarves if their unit boxes were not $50 a pop for only 10 guys.

>>51125555
For fuck sake stop releasing Xbox huge models.

Update the older metal models first then bring all this silly huge models.

>>51133213
>Sort of interested in an ironjaws army. or maybe doing something with dwarves if their unit boxes were not $50 a pop for only 10 guys.

And there is why WHFB died...

>>51133255
Remember when a 20 man squad of Cadians was sold for $30?

>>51125555

They've been doing fine for years. Their stocks and profit may have been going down but they were still making millions each quarter.

>>51133145
Aside from End Times fluff (which was met with "that was kinda shit, but what would happen if nagash didn't come in and fuck shit up" which in the very least is a productive attempt at trying to understand relations in the Old World), that kind of stuff wasn't really brought up. Go figure. Why talk about shit that's outside of your interests? If you wanna talk about Oldhammer, you'll talk about Oldhammer.
>>51133207
Because I got into /tg/ stuff as a whole towards the latter end of eighth. By the time I'd saved enough money to actually start building an army, ET and then AoS happened in short order. I didn't just stand by, arms crossed for years. I'm not debating that WHFB was probably unprofitable and not doing well. I was just in the unique position of coming in at the worst possible time. I understand the business sense of canceling WHFB, and maybe AoS is pretty successful. I also, obviously, didn't know that the game was declining in profits and was in dire straits.

I'm asking this not because I want to shit on AoS, I just want to know why I should play it, as someone who's slightly biased towards Oldhammer with an interest in the older, human, factions.

>>51133328
I remember when cars worth 10k were the high tier.
Whats your point ?

>>51133111

Because every time WHFB is mentioned faggots like you appear.

>>51133427
you can still play Oldhammer so play that instead.
You do not wonder why you should play waterpolo instead of TG related things so just dont ask yourself why you should play AoS.

>>51132715
>In the period we focused and delivered on our operational plan and are making good progress
on our
strategic initiatives
.
I'm delighted that our new approach to marketing and merchandising has been
received well. It's early days, we're having fun, and the feedback we've had is that our customers are
enjoying the changes too. I intend to build on
these improvements in the second half.
Never expected to read this from GW

>>51133429
A mass produced car from 1999 won't have gone up several 100% in price.
Yet the same cadian box has been recut down and jacked up in price several times.

>>51133427
just play oldhammer and comeback in 10years when endtimes is considered Oldhammer and AoS is the only option

>>51133429
>tfw Nissan 300ZX twin turbo was only $40,000 and was the equivalent of a mid-range $60,000 sports car or a low end $60,000 Porsche
>tfw a 30 year old 300zx with good condition and low mileage is still worth $10,000
>tfw the entry level sports cars are now $25,000 to $30,000

>>51133429
Using your car as an example.

New cars exist, better than the older ones, more expensive even taking into account inflation.

Here? Less models, the same decade old models and more expensive without any improvement and even taking account inflation.

$40 should be the cost for the 20, maybe $50. Today you pay $30 for 10.

That is the shitty thing, even taking into account other economic factors the pricing is just off. Specially for a decade old product

>>51133486

Cadian snapfits are $10 for 5 models and $25 for 10 multi pose. You'd have to be poor and salty as fuck to whine about those prices, and those are MSRP you can always buy cheaper on eBay or at third party stores.

>>51133427
>I'm asking this not because I want to shit on AoS, I just want to know why I should play it, as someone who's slightly biased towards Oldhammer with an interest in the older, human, factions

Well for a start, the rules are free. So you can get some tokens or bits of paper, write whatever they are on it and try it out moving them around, etc.

Most people like AoS because of the freedom of buying whatever you like without a tax.

You want that Chaos Lord on Manticore, Chaos Warriors and Knights but don't like the Marauders? You don't need to take 'em.

minis need to come down in price by 30% or so. probably never happen.

>>51133505
>$40 should be the cost for the 20, maybe $50

That's not how business works, faglord. Don't talk about shit you don't know anything about. Go take a class and come back if you're going to argue online about stupid shit like this. The price it SHOULD be is whatever the market will bear, and the market currently bears GW's pricing schemes.

Do I like that people are selling Greyfax preorders for $30 on eBay? No, I think it's stupid because that's more than it would cost if she was sold alone straight from GW. But this is what the dumbasses are bidding on the market, so there's nothing I can do about it.

>>51133525
>literally just buy from an online retailer for 30% off GW's price

You're stupid as fuck and so is everyone else whining about the prices.

>>51133207
>GW had the choice to make a cheaper, lower quality units
I'm interested to hear more

>>51133516
Snap fit... Also $29 USD ($30 for rounding really) for 10, not $25, that would be somewhat reasonable but expensive.

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>>51133080
Did someone say pathetic protest?

>>51133566

I don't know if he's referring to this, but they did have factories in China that made shittier models. They used them for the imperialis sector bases and some AoS terrain. The details aren't as crisp and the plastic looks and feels like Mantic stuff.

>>51133525

Some of the new AoS stuff has. The upcoming Kairic Acolytes are 20 miniatures for $50.

>>51133573

Never pay 100% MSRP for GW stuff, especially when GW sells to retailers at 50% MSRP and most retailers sell at 80% MSRP or less. If you pay GW's prices you're basically paying 20% more than you need to for no reason. GW's site also charges $10 minimum shipping ALWAYS.

>>51132715
You guys should meet him. Absolute top bloke, loves the hobby, always up for pints. Hes clearly someone who understands how GW should run, hes on the ball and good at what he does without being stuck up his own hole.

They don't even let Kirby into the board meetings anymore hes so disliked.

>>51133566

They tried snap fit boxes which were easy to put together, cheap boxes to bulk up regiments.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Warriors
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vampire-Counts-Skeleton-Warriors-5-models

>>51133588

This actually benefits GW more. If he put that on Ebay, he'd have made money back, and someone who wanted Dark Elves would have paid him money, and hopefully less - now they'll go by from GW.

So... congratulations?

>>51133697
They guy formalized fucking Tzaangor's as a full fledged army.

Fucker is a damn Longbeard for sure.

>>51133255

A 10 man box of dwarves is still $50 annon.

I dident buy it for WFB and im not gonna buy it for AOS.

I like them but im not buying them even at %30 off.

>>51133561

I pay where i play. When i did not have a LSG around i ordered online.

But when one opened up i order everything through him. The store is smart enough to offer a %20 discount on GW to members of the various GW gaming groups (AOS, 40k, LOTR)

>>51133544
I'm not talking about the idiots in ebay. I'm talking greed for greed sake.

Lets leave the idiots cuck that just buy. It is a known fact that GW sell to at 30% discount, and they selling them at a discount still makes them a profit

There is at least a 20% in GW products that above their profit margin.

We can safely assume producing (including, shipping, fabrication, moving, storage etc) is less than 10% of what they sell.

Market is one thing, fucking abusing the market is another.

Also that >>51133675 the profit margins of GW are retardedly high, they have other problems and is not their sales.

>>51133785
>I dident buy it for WFB and im not gonna buy it for AOS

To quote >>51133652

Kairic Acolytes are 20 miniatures for $50 or 10 Tzaangors for $45.

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>>51133785
>I like them but im not buying them even at %30 off.

... exactly how cheap do you think they should be?

>>51133851
Well when 5 models are $40 USD it is hard to sell unless you already are addicted to plastic-crack

>>51133207
This is such a load of bullshit

>>51133851
A full army : 40 multipose marines, 4 dropods, 4 rhinos, 2 landraiders, 10 terminators, 4-5 HQ of some sort, 2dreads and 2 flyers...

For $40 to $60 looks good, then it will be competing with videogame prices

>>51133902

He speaks the truth and you know it.

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>>51134089
>For $40

So... the 4 drop pods, rhinoes, two landraiders and ten terminators, etc should all be free?

Y'know there is not a plastic miniature maker on the market selling sci-fi miniature for less than a dollar, right?

>>51133851
20 for 30 seemed fair.
Rank and File should never go above 2 bucks.

>>51134129
then I wont buy it.

>>51134089
AAA games clock around 100

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>>51134089
>A full army : 40 multipose marines, 4 dropods, 4 rhinos, 2 landraiders, 10 terminators, 4-5 HQ of some sort, 2dreads and 2 flyers...
>For $40 to $60

>>51125778
Not this week, next Saturday. However, you can get Tzeentch Dice, and the new Battletome for the Tzeentch Acolytes

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>>51134089

Maybe if GW were selling Space Marines like this...

>>51134142
even chinese recasts are more expensive than what you are suggesting

>>51134146
Australia detected.

The rest of the world has normal prices.

>>51134089
wargames are an odd thing compared with other stuff.

Paying $40 for 5 models is not much. When you need more than 20 to play the basic 1000 game points it gets silly really fast.

Playing MSU, and over buying everything at 1000 points and not bringing a pants on head retarded list like one of 4 models or 3 Rapetides.

You still need about 13 models with any faction, 2 squads of 5 dudes, one leader and 2 tanks to move shit around.

$80 for 10 dudes
$80 ish for 2 tanks
$20 ish for the leader

$180 for minimum and not even sure if you can play a 500 point game with that.

You are not suppose to buy a 2000 points from nothing but dropping at least $180 for not even the minimum models for a normal low point game it silly. That is the plastic alone

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>>51134142

http://www.ebay.com/itm/28mm-50-PLASTIC-ORCS-DWARVES-FANTASY-WARGAMING-WARHAMMER-ALTERNATIVES-NEW-/171796046827?var=&hash=item6d9a3bba2f

Um, maybe try here?

>>51134102
But he's not and you know it.

>>51128689
>>51131619
>>51132981
>board about traditional games
>defends a game without rules

top kek

>>51134329
AoS doesn't have fans, only shills.

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>>51134316

So you think GW killed WHFB to spite you?

Stay chill, anon.

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>>51134329
>>51134349
>le one page rule meme xddddddd

In 5 years youll all be playing AoS anyway, so enjoy the last years you have ahead

>>51134089
how does living off mommy and daddy all your life feel? want to come join the real working world and find out how life really works?

>>51134329
Freeform is a valid type of roleplay, why couldn't it be a valid type of wargame?

>>51134349
and it doesn't have critics. only twats who waste posts.

>>51134349

hey, it's better moving individual bases compared to regiments, that's why you died out... look at the historical market.

>>51134186

I got a bunch of those minis from someone and I was wondering what the fuck they were from.

Just old generic Space Marine knockoffs. Maybe I'll paint some of them bronze and use them as terrain statues or something.

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>>51134388
>>In 5 years youll all be playing AoS anyway, so enjoy the last years you have ahead
Wargames aren't something you have to get used to or switch to, it's not the government. It's a game almost nobody plays now and in 5 years nobody will be playing AoS. Unless 40k gets hit by an End Times in Space then they'll be the only minis GW still produces.

>>51134396
Freeform is a type of roleplaying. A valid one maybe. A one that actually ensure proper roleplaying not likely.

Remember humans want the illusion of freedom, when they have actual freedom they simply have no idea what to do and go full retard.

You know It, I know, everyone knows it, but no one really want to admit it.

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>>51134089

So you want to buy a full, maximum sized complete 40K army... for the same price you'd buy up a Triple A video game in a store?

Wow, that's... wow. I mean I'd like it but i think we need to live in the real world, Anon...

>>51134442
>It's a game almost nobody plays now

Sure you are masturbating in your mancave since 5th and dont go into any FLGS. thing is, Aos Has more tournament than WHFB ever had.

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>yfw gw has entered a new golden age

>>51134474
I highly doubt it. Let's take in consideration being nerd is cool now. So let's talk about proportional tournaments.

Say here it is that way does not help. Because if it did Warhammer fantasy has more tournaments than any wargame here. For some odd ducking reason. Followed by warmachine then 40k. AoS is nothing but a game you play when you can't find people to play the game you like.

So yah anecdotal evidence does not count

>>51134474
I have and it's always been 40k. I went into a GW five different times and not a single person played AoS. The only AoS models I've ever seen in real life were the ones on display in the glass cases.

>>51134503
Feels fucking Goodman. Never done it before, but very tempted to buy a complete Kairic Acolyte army in one go instead of piecemeal like usual.

>>51134394
>tfw I can buy all the plastic toys I want
>because it's all using money from my "new track wheels and tires budget" that is never going to meet the quota for forged wheels
>ugly stock rims forever

A-at least I have my miniatures...

Seriously, the cheapest good wheels are like $150-300, and you faggots are complaining about $30 for 10 toys.

>>51134537

PER WHEEL

Forged wheels are like $600-800 EACH

>>51133789
>I'm talking greed for greed sake.

How about we pay you less at your job, because you receiving your current pay is you being greedy?

>>51134537
Where the fuck do you live? A full set of decent cost 100, the fancy cost 150. The absolute shit are 50. 300 or more is for specialized crap.

>>51133789

That's how business works for ANYONE. Unless you buy STRAIGHT FROM THE MANUFACTURER, you are paying double markup. First markup is from the primary producer making a profit then selling to a retailer. Second markup is the retailer selling to you at a profit.

If you don't want to pay ANY extra, you have to buy it direct and with zero profit to the creator, which will never happen. Everything you own, everything in your fucking house has already been marked up at the same level as GW shit has, because I know you didn't buy your fucking clothes from the people who wove it.

>>51133145

>Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar. It's not the same universe. Please go shill/troll elsewhere.

This is what they have in the OP, you can't say you didn't see that. Their assravage is unreal

>>51134396
Because putting all the stuff you want onto the board without any sense of organization isn't a real game, it's the equivalent of playing with legos as a kid.

Also, shit like dancing for re-rolls and getting boni for having the longer beard? What the fuck is this, munchkin? Is AoS a joke? Practically, I mean?

>>51133207
>40K fans buy a new Space Marine army a year...

Lol my shit isn't even on 32mm

>>51134577
Anon you are talking shit now. You know perfectly well GW profit margins are stupidly high. Their problems is in another place.

Somewhere in GW corporation money is leaking hard and instead of solving the problem like a sane corporation they up the prices knowing a bunch of their market are going to buy it anyway. That is abusing the market.

I'm all for they getting a profit, but not for abusive profit to cover their incompetent asses.


Like for example, they are the one of the few company that charges for a tracking number.

>>51134474
>ever had
Care to give numbers?
I am pretty sure that in it's several decades long history WHF accumulated more tournaments than AOS in its two or three years.

Unless you mean per year, then learn your language ffs. And still provide numbers.

>>51134580

Track wheels, not 30 pound clunkers.

Kosei K4R are the cheapest and lightest cast wheels on the market. Enkei RPF1 are the most popular and are slightly lighter but cost twice as much.

TE37 are the most popular forged wheel.

>>51134632
Fuck sake retard, those rules weren't and have never been official to the game. They were a joke, remember what that is?

>>51134659

You realize tracked shipping costs extra for a lot of sites. The places you're getting free tracking from are doing you a service and are either charging you more for shipping or are eating the cost. Tracking isn't free.

>>51134580
>fancy wheels cost 150/4 = $37.50 per wheel

Bullshit. You're aware fancy wheels can cost $1,000 per wheel? You think Porsche gives you $37 wheels?

>>51134370
What leap of logic or projection did you have to reach that conclusion, anon?

>>51134580

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/results.jsp?autoMake=Subaru&autoModel=BRZ&autoYear=2015&autoModClar=Limited&package=false

Prices depend on how big the wheel is and how popular the bolt pattern is, but I don't know what kind of car you must be driving to think you can get rims for that cheap.

FUCK I thought I escaped the pull of warhams!

Is Tzeentch shit decent now rules wise?

>>51134693
I'd love to believe you, but no, for fuck sake even third world companies that ship less than 300 shit during the year have tracking number.

A bloody russian seller charges less than GW for their models and shipping and still has tracking number.

$15 dollars without tracking number is scummy as fuck.

Even shitty sellers from China selling $2 items with $10 shipping have tracking number

Is not scale the problem, is GW incompetence. With the amount of shit they sell they can give you tracking numbers in the normal shipping cost.

That is the entire point there is no excuse for not including it. Is either greed or incompetence

>>51134746
My bad I was thinking about the tires it self carry on.

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>>51134879
>>AOSDF out in full force
You guys are laughable.

>>51134812

USPS does not offer tracking stock. You pay for it, although it is cheap.

https://www.google.com/search?q=usps+tracking&oq=usps+tracking&aqs=chrome.0.0l4j69i60j0.1022j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=usps+tracking+cost

>>51134830

Just use your old tires that have no more tread left as racing slicks!

>>51134766
The new book comes out next week. So no idea, but the previews are promising.

>>51135043
>UPS
Another odd company.

>>51135067
Super fun!

>>51135404
>Another odd company.

United States Postal Service you dumbfuck.

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>40k starts to get some what intresting models
>modern lore is quite shitty

FUCK

Ill stick to the 40k in my head and have the models I want..

>>51135458
Its still a company, unless the word company has a different meaning. Than the translation in my language.

Also local postal service gives tracking number for free, is given.

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>>51135484

Where have you been in the last 2 years

Your 40k is always the better 40k

>>51134659
>Like for example, they are the one of the few company that charges for a tracking number.

??
I think I've always gotten a Fedex tracking number with the free standard shipping.

>>51135583
Yah, getting tracking number is standar today, even if they hide it under the price, at least you don't feel like paying for industry standard

>>51135547
Unregistered mail doesn't have tracking in the US. GW uses Fedex in the US though. That's why they're located in Memphis, Tennessee in the first place.

>>51135547
>Its still a company
It's part of the Government.

>>51135647
So the concept of government company and private company does not exist in the US?

>>51135547

Holy fucking shit this retarded foreign fuck. USPS IS THE GOVERNMENT POSTAL SERVICE AND IS THE FUCKING "LOCAL" POSTAL SERVICE

>>51135676

Whether or not it's a company is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is that tracking is not free or stock everywhere, and you're a fucking stupid faggot from a retarded shitty Euroshit shithole country anyway yet you think only shithole third world countries don't offer free shipping.

>>51133642
>They used them for the imperialis sector bases
> The details aren't as crisp
Huh, i already wondered about that
Thanks for letting me know
>>51133701
Those were probably the opposite of what they needed- big boxes with discount due to the amount of models, like mantic does

>>51135680
Holy fuck I've never seen a local postal service not having tracking numbers, are you in the 50's still or what? Fucking Slovakia postal sevivce has them. Fucking Chile has it. Even bloody communist hell hole Venezuela postal service does it!

Holy fuck USA pull your shit together. Even bloody Royal Mail has a rather useless tracking but has one.

>>51133697
Are you living in Notthingham or something?

>>51135703
wew lad
did you miss your autism meds?

>>51135732

Read the thread you dipshit. It's not standard, free, or complimentary. But it is cheap.

>>51135762
>if you don't tolerate idiots being fucking retarded you must be autistic

You were just pretending right?

>>51135762

Daily reminder that moot was right about European and Australian posters being 99% of the shitposters ruining the site.

>>51135811
I insiste beside GW and now UPS I've never seen it lacking that is why I'm so fucking surprise by the entire shit.

>>51135864
>he thinks GW would spend the $0.10 on tracking when they could just screw you over and keep the money

It adds up you know.

>>51135811
>if you don't tolerate idiots being fucking retarded you must be autistic
that self-loathing must be crippling then, learn to let go

>>51135877
I know it cost money and someone pays it. But the thing is so retardedly cheap, that charging extra and not just adding it to the already expensive GW shipping is just insulting.

That is the entire point. I'm so fucking surprise that anyone has the audacity to charge for it so openly like it is the next new shit since the email.

Specially when faster and cheaper shipping cost include them.

>>51135935
It's always the people too stupid to even use shift or punctuation that shitpost the hardest.

>>51136005
hypocricy, your apoplexy was the only reason why I called you out in the first place

>>51131619
>>51132558
Sales of AoS with all Daemons sales cut in half.

>>51135676
They exist. Amtrak for example. But the US Postal Service is not one. It's a Government Agency.

>>51136142
>cares enough to call people out as being autists
>thinks he isn't autistic for doing that

Hypocrisy huh?

>>51133588
>tfw muted the video and put 'Amazing Grace' on instead
sniff.

>>51135329
Ooh, cool

>>51135647
Since we're shitposting anyway...
As a French, something that always bugged me in English, is the use of the word "government" for everything related to the state. I guess it's just a false friend as in French "gouvernement" refers strictly to the ministry.
Or maybe it is just an American thing? I guess you can't use the word state as lightly without quickly getting confusing.

Not that anyone care, but just picture the secretary of whatever packing your personal mail and you will get why it (slightly) amuses me.

>>51137538

What is "the separation of church and state" for 500, you cheese-eating surrender monkey.

>>51137538
Love how these are the kinds of self-righteous fucks that love to say how ignorant Americans are and how Americans are the ones who think they're the center of the world.

>>51137538
>As a French
Hi mamadou segpa.
kys now.

>>51133789
You shouldn't have skipped economics 101

>>51134089
Fucking poor fags. You are seriously mental.

Consider how long it would take you to paint all that. Just assembling those marines and painting them would take longer than a 10 hr video game. You havent even brought them to the table top yet.

>>51133789
>We can safely assume producing (including, shipping, fabrication, moving, storage etc) is less than 10% of what they sell.

No you can't.

>>51137760
>>51137777
>>51137828
What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm just having fun with different connotations words have in different language, that's all.
There was no insults or aggressions.

>>51138011

Shutup Frenchie! Go back to France with your overly long towers and bread!

>>51138046
But I am in France...
Guess I should have some bread then.>>51138011

>>51137760
Fellow American here. What we call "Departments" are called "Ministries" in countries that call their "President" a "Prime Minister."

Now kindly fuck off back to your cabin you inbred cousin-kissing redneck hillbilly ignoramus, you're making the rest of us look stupid by association.

>>51138153
>>51138011
>>51137538
Pardon the American redneck, they're a belligerent sort anyway and ever since Trump got elected they've been worse than ever.

Of course France isn't any better these days either, you cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

>>51133789
>We can safely assume producing (including, shipping, fabrication, moving, storage etc) is less than 10% of what they sell.
On what grounds?

>>51137760
>>51138376

BONJOUUUUUURRRRRR

>>51125572
AoS is a legitimately good game if you look at it without bias.

However, a good portion of the models are 50/50 when it comes to looking decent.

>>51134766
Tzeentch Daemons are the Cheesiest, but Tzeentch Marines are just okay.

>>51133697
>They don't even let Kirby into the board meetings anymore hes so disliked.
[citation really wanted please]

>>51125666
Except if you chart sales, the massive soar in profits comes after they stop releasing AoS and start releasing 40K stuff.

I don't mind AoS but the boost clearly has to do with all the ridiculously popular 40K stuff they've been doing.

>>51133207
Have you considered that they could have followed up Fantasy with a non-ranked game that isn't retarded and doesn't shit all over the lore?

AoS is just a bad game with bad lore and awful aesthetics. I'd love a Warhammer Fantasy game that didn't have ranked armies, but this isn't it.

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>>51133697

>>51143833

Yeah I don't understand why they didn't just implement AoS rules including General's Handbook but keep that beloved Old World setting.

It really feels like they were just trying whatever they wanted to to keep that range alive. Same reason they didn't have General's Handbook until recently.

>>51144066
because not even 10% care about the lore

>>51134267
2 squads of troops with transports and a hq is typically going to be around 600 points.

Also you can't just think of it as buying 1 army. Its an army of 11 infantry and 2 tanks.
Non historical games with cheaper armies typically also have smaller armies and/or lower quality minis (inifity or kings of war being respective popular alternatives)

Thats just the price of fantasy minis these days.

>>51135735
No but I am there regularly.

>>51143630
A lot of meetings happened without kirby once Kev took over, when they technically shouldnt have.

>>51134659
>Anon you are talking shit now. You know perfectly well GW profit margins are stupidly high
You can read it right there in the report, their profits are only about 18%. Its good but hardly stupidly high or abusing the market.

>>51144362
Rountree confirmes for thug taking over from honest to God, hard working and caring businessman Kirby.

I like it.

>>51144420
That is why I question GW incompetence, the production cost, including everything with GW prices should leave a margin higher than that. They are leaking money. Their models are cheap as balls and prices high as fuck.

I work with Blueberries things that die on the way to the store and still make around 20% and this things are harvest by hand. The fuckers are mass producing plastic and not passing the 20% there is something wrong there.

>>51144510
I doubt you can compare something as simple to produce and sell as blueberries and plastic models though.

Pluck the fruit, wash it, put it a basket, done, ready to sell (or am I missing something).

Not exactly as simple for a miniature. Those things don't grow on trees.

>>51144151
They care about looks though, and AoS models look like pure shit.

And it seems so be a running theme among wargamers that they loved WHFB's lore but didn't like the ranked combat. If anything, that seems to be the most common sentiment in these discussions - that people loved the Old World and the factions in it, and would have played if the game worked differently. So I'd say you're full of shit.

>>51133697
I wish I was working or posted to the UK. I'd spend like all of my time in WHW.

>>51144825
>AoS models look like pure shit.
You can't say that as if its a fact, your subjective opinion is irrelevant.

>common sentiment in these discussion
4chan is not an accurate representation of the playerbase or what they want.

Nobody can say what the playerbase wants, or likes with any kind of certainty, whether its about lore, model design or game design.

>>51144820
You have no idea how blueberries are made do you? If you do that you kill the fruit and is worthless. You need specialist to harvest one blueberries at the time.

Too much rain they die, too much heat they die. You look at them ugly they die. It is delicate as fuck

Those clamshells with those nice and round blueberries are hand harvest one by one. If your blueberries is missing that little white dust looking thing. Someone touch them wrong.

One of the hardest fruit to work with. This are not apples or grain that you can use huge harvesters you need people getting the damn things one by one. Unless you are making frozen then no one gives a fuck

>>51144966
Weird, when I pick them up in Switzerland they're not that fragile. Maybe it's because they're natural, growing in the mountains and stuff?

>>51144151
>because not even 10% care about the lore
sure thing

that's why books revealing lore sell more than books that don't

>>51125555
Bloodbowl rereleased, of course they are doing fine

>>51145041
If they manage to grow they are good. And the blueberry sold in supermarket are a different variety (or race if you want) Brigitta, Rocio, Snowchaser, Corona, etc.

No idea what variety grows in Switzerland naturally in the mountains. They might be hard but not survive transport.

>>51145185
Or like many wild fruits, perhaps their yield is so low they aren't commercially viable to cultivate.

>>51145452
Anyway making 18% profit with cheap as balls to produce plastic models that are super overprice, rises an eyebrow.

They are leaking hard somewhere. That is the thing people here are missing.

>>51144362
>A lot of meetings happened without kirby once Kev took over, when they technically shouldnt have.
First time I read about that it sounded like kirby not caring about the meeting, not the others not letting him in.

>>51133588
Source

>>51134527
dont do it if you actually paint your shit
and if you dont fuck you

>>51145491
But the thing is, they're cheap to produce when everything is settled. But you still have to pay for the salaries of all the dudes in production and pre production, and those are UK, not chinese salaries.

For example, it's a big ass important model for sure, but Magnus took more than 380 hours for the designer to make. That's quite a cost here, and that's just to design him. You then have the machines and the dudes handling the machines making the models, etc.

Shipping costs aren't something to be forgotten either. Someonz working at a GW was here once telling how exceptionnaly organised all that is, and how costly the organisation is, but at least it works pretty damn well, like shipping coming in at very specific times, with strict requirements and stuff.

The fact that all their stuff is made in the UK means they have to ship everything away all over the world. That can't be cheap.

And the 18% profit this year is probably imputable to the replacement of machineries they did recently to work with plastic better. I remember a dude living in Nottingham telling us there was a lot of heavy machinery going in and out of GW months ago.

>>51145788
Why china? We are talking of blueberries and GW both have expensive people to pay. You need specialist to harvest.

Also live fruit that decompose in the journey if it is not in special containers

Making and shipping blues is more expensive than the plastic. That is all I'm sayings plus the plastic does not rot.

That is why I question GW competence they have an easier time and still don't cut it. Both miniatures and blues are luxury products.

But anyway, even if you think GW are right it still does not explain their low as balls profit. There is something wrong, no idea what.

That is the entire point. They should be making more but they aren't. Maybe next year it will be fix and this is just lag from Kirby Age of Strife.

Side note UK as the USA almost feel like third world countries some times

>>51134089

>Videogame can be completed in 2-8h as it is only a game
>Comparing it with a full hobby worth of 6 month to a year worth of work if you put some effort in to it! And endless games of 40k thereafter, with miniatures that will stand the test of time.

You clearly are trying to compare a car to a house right now. And you are clearly an idiot who just stumbled across /tg/ thinking its the place for games. Fuck of, this is the hobby part of the forums!

>>51134142

And thats fine. See, this is the beauty of a hobby. If you don't like fishing, you have no one forcing you to start fishing! If you don't feel you have the money to start up a Barbie Doll collection, you don't have to! And no one is forcing you with a gun to your head to start up a miniature wargame collection!

It totally blows your mind doesn't it!

>>51144962

Nobody wanted Sigmarines.

I havent been following 40k for over 2 years and recently I saw that GW released a damon primarch Magnus and Fenris was invaded and purged, also the 13th crusade its on its way and suppsedly they are going to release more deamon primarch models.
So its gonna be the end times 40k?

>>51125555
>GW is... actually doing fine?
Where? They still didn't recover from 2013-14 collapse

>>51133697
>loves the hobby
>guy from Kirby team
>loves hobby

>>51131619
not trying to be a WFB shill but at the same time....

>WFB got not publicity
>Had a start up cost of $600+
>Had much higher potential for strategy which can be intimidating
>AoS start up cost is around $130
>AoS rules are 4 pages
>AoS is actually getting publicity ironically through total warhammer
>AoS is selling better

Well yeah, does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

>>51134186
Good Lord, those are ugly. I would feel ripped off if I was paid to take them off some poor fucker's hands.

>>51146555
They've made an increase of o almost an 80% (440 to 770) in half a year, starting since the announcement of GHB's. I guess that's called doing fine if you grow quite a bit.

>>51146264
More like six months work painting the latest uber unit, only for it to be nerfed or squated a year later so you either give it to your three year old to destroy or flog it at 1/10th of the original price on E-bay.

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>>51134089
I honestly hope this is b8 rather than an honest opinion