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>tfw when no more gitaxian probe chains for t3 Kiln Fiend wins

It's almost like WoTC hates fun

>people still think infect should run 4 Become Immense
>nobody mentioning visions
'no'

>>51118278
People thinks surgical extraction can be a replacement of probe

>>51118333
I keep hearing bauble but I think people are missing the rest of the context
The meta's going to shift and it's not going to be in infect's favor, it's not going to be able to get away with the shit it used to with more BGx running around with Fatal Pushes
In a vacuum bauble would be fine, but there's more at play than just removing that single card. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. which is what everyone who's wrong says

>>51117996
>What is going to be Tier 1 when the dust settles?
same shit thats t1 now minus dredge. this only makes it slightly harder on Infect, which should be a Legacy-only mechanic along with Dredge and Storm.

>What brew are you gonna dust off and jam Fatal Push in?
nothing. i'm not playing that.

>How are you going to change your sideboard for a Probeless/Troll-less metagame?
nothing. i didn't run specific bullets for those lists.

>>51118560
Something will replace dredge in tier 1, it ate up almost 9% of the meta.

>>51118626
I think that % will be split between Jund and Junk

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>>51118560
>dredge, infect, storm
>legacy only

GIVE STORM SONG FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ITS ALREADY DEAD JUST LET US HAVE A LITTLE FUN ITS NOT EVEN GOING TO BE GOOD FUCK YOU WIZARDS

>>51118832
> - Gitaxian Probe
> + Fatal Push

Good or bad for Grixis Delver?

>>51118886
didnt mean to be a reply to anything, muh b

>>51118886
Bad for grixis delver, good for grixis control.

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>mfw these banlist updates

>>51118886
I'm going to make a controversial statement and say neutral
It's absurdly good on tempo which makes it great for that deck but losing probe harms consistency
I guess if you think about it, if you're replacing probes with push it becomes "Is push better than paying 2 life for redraw" which it might be
I'm not a delver expert though so it's just a theory

>>51118942
>Dredge, the mechanic and the deck, has a negative impact on Modern by pushing the format too far toward a battle of sideboards
>but affinity is totally fine

>>51119037
Affinity loses to regular removal too though. It's resilient but anything but anger doesn’t affect dredge and even then it's questionable

I don't see how Tron doesn't come out of this B&R as the king. Infect weakened, dredge weakened, Death's Shadow and kin BTFO, yet Tron untouched -> format gets slower, Tron crushes any amount of durdliness. Control decks can't beat tron.

I don't think either of Infect or Dredge are dead, but obviously going from Dredge 6, Dredge 5 to Dredge 5, Dredge 4 reduces the overall win% of Dredge, and Infect only gets a lot harder to play, which means less wins overall.

>>51119037
We wouldn't want people to actually have to think about their sideboards and plan for the meta now would we anon :^)

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>my face when I play Trading Post Tron and quick aggro decks continue to be hobbled every banlist update

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So have you played against a girl in MtG? How badly did you lose?

>>51119117

I'd legit love this because faggots who can't handle losing deserve to be culled from this hobby.

So, slay, queen. Yas.

>>51119117
"girl" is infantilizing
it's like if someone called a guy "boy"

>>51119152
lol what
do you know any women at all

>>51119178
yeah like half the people i know

>>51119100
Tron has only become better now that GB is even better with Push and GW is still doing great

Hope everyone has either sleeved up Tron or is ready to see 14 Tron players at your LGS

>>51119256
>tfw hate tron with a passion
I'm taking a break if that retarded timmy deck gets popular

>>51119287
have fun on your break

>>51119287
sleeve up RG Ponza my man

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>>51119287

THE AGE OF SPIKE IS OVER
LONG DEAD IS THE AGE OF JOHNNY

NOW TIMMY REIGNS SUPREME

>>51119117
I hope this is fake, not because I don't want a girl to be better than dudes at magic but I hope no is actually that autistic

>>51119152
kid, no one cares about that shit

>>51119513
i disagree, child

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>Forth from the depths, my children!
>Reclaim the seas!

Merfolk #1

So who here is going to GP Vancouver?

Also what should I play?

skred red or B/G Obliterator rock with less than 4 tarmos

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>jam two copters into UW Jerks
>didn't get to use them
>still went undefeated for $24 in credz in 3 rounds.
i still think they're probably a lot better than serra avengers.

>>51119327
>only have the mana base and some of the sideboard
I'm not sure I hate tron enough for $300 but it's tempting.

>>51119631
how many is less than 4

>>51119632
it bothers me that her heretic cathar art lacks freckles

and yeah copter might be better

>>51119787
Depends on how many I can get before the GP main event starts

>>51119536
for real dear, no one gives a fuck

>>51119117
I've seen three girls at my LGS. All of them were with their boyfriends, and two of them were pretty bad. The only one still coming is pretty good, though. Although I've not lost much to her, I always seem to have a ludicrously good matchup against what she brings (like stock G/R Valakut vs. U/R Obliterate brew good).

>>51119632
I'm not actually a huge fan of that art at that size, but my god it looks amazing on the card.

>>51119868
Just play Skred

I'm also assuming you've played Skred more since you don't have a playset of Goyf

>>51120016
shitty res images tend to look bad

>>51119705
Gotta fight fire with fire, unless you wanna play one of the aggro decks that are just getting weaker with things like Push and bans hitting them

>>51120104
I'm saying the opposite, actually. It's one of those pieces where the overall composition is really nice to look at, but once you start to focus on the details it becomes less appealing.

>>51118079
I was so close to building this deck, but thankfully I kept on putting it off. Oh well. Delver will never be tier one :'(

>>51119632

You can't Vial them in, so no.

>>51120086
Probably a good call. Honestly just hoping to make day 2 and then I'm alright scrubbing out

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>see the standard banlist

I know this is the modern thread but what was great about THAT emrakul, it can still be killed,albeit sorcery speed, and you give your opponent an extra turn not counting the one controlled. What if they topdecked a response? Modern bans seem to be a bit stupid but I play Legacy and EDH so I don't see the power those 2 had in this format?

>>51120775
It wouldn't be banned if it weren't for aetherwork marvel, even delirium emrakul was okay and able to be dealt with reasonably but turn 4 emmy is just too much for most decks, remember he also mindslavers so they can throw away your answers

>>51120361
i'm pretty sure copter is a stronger card in this deck because it gives white some reliable card-filtering. playing it for 3 doesn't feel too bad if it can filter your hand and break a board stall.

>>51120775

The problem was more that it completely invalidated any other big mana card in the format. Like why waste time with anything else 7 mana or more when you could run out a 13/13 flying mindslaver for 7-9 mana?

To be honest, I didn't think she was THAT bad. I'm pretty confused as to why these bans happened. If anything I'm bewildered why CoCo didn't get banned last format.

>>51120775
>topdeck a sorcery speed removal spell
>while getting hit in the face by a 13/13 every turn
You need some serious heart of the cards to get a spell that kills Emrakul that a) actually works, and b) wasn't aimed at your own creature during the mindslaver turn.

>>51120775
Apart from a 4 mana counterspell there wasn't a way to deal with it, and you could cast it on turn 4 with Aetherworks Marvel

I'm kinda curious why they didn't wait for Aether Revolt to drop before they issued bans. It's clear from those cards that they anticipated Copter to be good and Disallow feels like it was made to deal with Marvel but considering those cards were created well before the bans it feels like Wizards are saying they don't have faith in AR to change the current meta, which is weird because AR seems leagues stronger than Kaladesh or even Shadows block.

>>51120903
CoCo was a stupid fucking card but at least it was more interactive than Emrakul

>>51120833
I guess I can see that but isn't that more of wotc fault for not printing an answer to emmy? Does aetherworks marvel actually cast or does it just put it into play, if the latter I don't see how the mindslaver ability would trigger

>>51120943
No, it casts, which is the problem
They did also print both Disallow and Summary Dismissal but either they don't think it's enough or they don't think it's fair that the only answer to it is heavy blue countermagic

>>51120943
It does cast

>>51120903
>I'm pretty confused as to why these bans happened.
Have you seen the amount of anal devastation going on in every thread that even tangentially mentions standard? And going by what I've seen in the (admittedly limited) other mtg sites I check, this butthurt was pretty much everywhere.

Mass butthurt that was hurting FNM attendance as well. They probably figured they needed to do something drastic to try and bring people back to standard.

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>>51119117
>that story

>>51120149
I mean I have Naya burn built so I'm sure I could race tron a lot of the time, but being pushed out by fatal push doesn't seem like it'd be very fun with what I'm imagining the meta to look like.

>>51117996
who ready to swap to frontier?

>>51118079
on one hand now i don't have to blow a bunch of cash on goyfs and rainforests. on the other hand i have a handful of dead probes and shoals

>>51119152
>not regularly referring to adult males as boys
it's more fun than you might think

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>>51121285
you can always build eternal command anon

How does /tg/ feel about meme decks like Zombie hunt?

>>51121285
>>not regularly referring to adult males as boys
>it's more fun than you might think
who you callin' 'boy', honky?

>>51121468
Abrupt decay is a minor inconvenience and will see even less play with push in the game. DRS killed the deck but he's gone now

>>51118832
Then people seething song into through the breach. No thank you.

>>51121503
They're fun

But if you play one and get butthurt when people with real decks shit on you then you're That Guy

>>51121503
Great if you like losing.

>>51121613
>abrubt decay
>minor inconvenience
It's a little more than a minor inconvenience when your gameplan revolves around vial sticking and operating at instant speed anon.

>>51119152
i can guarantee people who know you irl call you a cunt all the time when you're not around.
you are also a complete cunt for actually taking the time to post this nonsense on an anonymous malaysian birdcalling forum
and I'm a cunt for responding

>>51121841
It doesn't revolve around that. It functions fine without it. It's great with it off course but you could even get away with boarding them out

What's better, mono red burn or mono green stompy?

>>51121933
>eternal command doesn't revolve around it
>using it to hold up mana for counters while still playing threats like goyf
>makes snap come online way earlier
>eternal loops
I'm not denying the deck can function without vial but it's pretty important most of the time anon.

>>51121547
i kinda meant "referring" not in the "addressing someone" sense but in the "describing a group of people with the same gender" sense

>>51121468
Well then i'd still have to get misty rainforests and goyfs. i'd rather stick to grixis right now

>>51121503
i tried goldfishing zombie hunt once and couldn't even reliably combo by turn 4. i feel like that's a little too slow for such a linear and vulnerable deck

>>51121640
i could stand to see more turn 3 titan/emrakul decks in modern.

>>51122026

Mono Green Stompy, it has Beast Within to deal with permanents. Mono Red Burn folds to sideboard.

>>51121274
>who ready to swap to frontier?
I'm swapping to Legacy, at least that format doesn't get fucked with when things are fine.

>>51122751
Go to your Jew format

>they actually banned probe
I'm glad they had the balls to ban a problematic card the empowered too many decks. Hopefully we'll see some more bans of equally powerful cards like lightning bolt and thoughtseize and lord knows that banning these auto includes could cut down on the netdecking infestation this format has.

>>51122751

Same here. I've been trading in my Modern-specefic money cards and building some meme-ish Legacy decks. Got 12-Post and Pox ready to go for funsies, thinking about building Reanimator.

How's Dragonlord Ojutai as a finisher for UW control

>>51122907
>netdecking is bad
>bolt is bad
>discard is bad
Oh yeah, I remember why I hate Modern community.

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>>51119287
Prepare yourself to be liberated Anon.

>>51118832
Maybe try out equipment storm since scram gives you 4 more copies of the draw engine now?

>>51123520
The deck isn't bad but god damn is it cancer to play against

>>51123520
I think people are seriously underestimating the consistency that an additional 4 draw engines gives that deck
It might not be tier 1 but it's surprisingly strong

>>51123551
>>51123570
I'm half expecting it will be the next combo deck to be hit by the banhammer.

>>51123605
It goes off at sorcery speed and loses to decay so I doubt it. It's probably consistent as hell now though and outcome seems like it makes it even more insane
I'd laugh my ass off if it did though

>>51123632
Sigarda's Aid makes it instead speed

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Hey now that modern has been liberated from those oppressive fast decks we should all play some midrange creature decks, right guys?

>>51124104
Last time everyone thought Tron was going to dominate, Eldrazi Winter happened

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>>51119474
I'm a girl, I play Affinity and I've won several Modern Monday tournaments at my local FLGS. Nobody has trashed their deck from losing to me so far, I'm almost a little disappointed. I did get one decidedly upset person who seemed to try and brush it off by telling me "Affinity is an easy deck with cheap wins".

>>51124129
Nobody every expects the Kozilek Inquisition.

>>51124162
are you cute

>>51124162
The only reason affinity has that reputation is because any mouthbreather can get the hands where you just vomit your hand on the board and win turning your guys sideways. I play mostly R/G tron in a meta that's almost half affinity and It's obvious once you play against the deck a lot that it takes skill to win with it consistantly

>>51124204
I'm very tall, very thin, and very pale. I'm probably on the above side from average in terms of face, but I have kind of a slenderwoman thing going on.

>>51124253
Even if you spend just a couple hours with affinity it becomes apparent that it's harder than it looks
Lot harder than tron :^)

>>51124277
I don't care I just want someone to talk about magic with

>>51124253
>>51124302
I absolutely love Affinity for the complexity of its synergy sometimes. It was the first deck I picked up for Modern and I'm kind of an "Artifacts in every format" player, so I've been very happy to have had something that I barely had to update in the years since I got it. I only spent maybe $200 on it too, since I started in the relatively early days of Modern.

>>51117996
I just want to know wether new-art Lilly of the Veil, Damnation or enemy fetchlands are gonna be in MMA3 or if I can keep denying them my money.
I'm not playing this shit Robots vs Tron format anymore, everytime it gets interesting they shove it back in their little shit box.

>>51122907
>ban bolt
>everyone moves to black for the better bolt

>>51124399
Lili is all but confirmed, probably same art though

>>51124399
That's actually a possibility
I think conspiracy showed they were willing to reprint valuable cards and after the MM2 backlash I'd imagine they've come around
Say what you want but Wizards has wizened up a bit lately
Not a lot, but they're much more receptive to feedback than it seems like they were in the past and they're getting stuff to a good power level. If every set were at about AR power level it'd be nice

>>51124426
"better bolt" can't kill planeswalkers or players.

>>51124477
This
Push is decent but not game changing

>>51124434
That'd be a shame since her art is pretty bad, and I already own a playset.
It wouldn't surprise me if it had new art, the new art director seems to hate Argyle, they haven't given him a single new Standard card since KTK and they seem to be avoiding giving him art depicting women specifically since the few arts he's made lately are artifacts and a ilussion cat (where he still managed to get a chick in)

>>51124426
>Ban bolt
>Affinity players laughing in the distance

>>51124492
>>51124477
Except it can remove creatures that not even bolt can.

>>51124493
yeah but dose tiddies

>>51124493
I mean I am all for more art options but I just have a feeling it's such a recognizable card they would hesitate. Here's hoping though

>>51124502
How many creatures are running around that can't be killed by bolt that die to push? Most stuff that doesn't die to bolt doesn't die to push either
TKS is pretty and TiTI are the only ones that come to mind
Not to mention push still is conditional. It might not be terribly difficult to do but it's not unlikely that you won't be able to get the revolt off

>>51124521
Goyf is the most significant one, since it always dies to Push and almost never dies to Bolt.

>>51124521
Things that non-revolt push can remove are shit like 3/4 goyf, thing in the ice, anything over 3 deaths shadow

>>51124540
Fuck I'm retarded
Yeah I guess that's fair, there's still more non-goyf decks than there are goyf decks though

>>51124521
infect creatures, discourages blowing a pump spell to try and save them

>>51124521
S P E L L S K I T E

>>51120910
>need some serious heart of the cards to get a spell that kills Emrakul that a) actually works, and b) wasn't aimed at your own creature during the mindslaver turn.

Or you can just play white. Seriously, every removal spell/ability has the "your opponent controls" clause on it.>>51120910
>>51120910

>>51124521
>Without Revolt
(Anything in Infect, pump spell or not)
Arcbound Ravager
(90% of Affinity's creatures with Ravager counters)
Celestial Colonnade
Death's Shadow
Grim Flayer
Ravaging Ravine
Scavenging Ooze
Spellskite
Tarmogoyf
Thing in the Ice

>With Revolt
Anafenza, the Foremost
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Master of Etherium
Ravager of the Fells
Siege Rhino
Thought-Knot Seer

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I'm trying this garbage
Modern Vehicles
4x Scrapheap Scrounger
4x Toolcraft exemplar
3-4x veteran motorist (forgot)
4x Theraben Inspector
2x depala
2x pia

4x copter
3x fleetwheel
2x Key to the City

4x lightning bolt
2x path to exile
2x Dismember

4x b/w fast
4x r/w fast
3x Godless Shrine
3x Bloodstained
Plains > Mountain > Swamp

Pretty fun

>>51124675
There are probably some tokens too, like Voice's.

>>51124678
Forgot 3x push

>>51124678
Why not go hatebears route? Makes a lot more sense

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>>51124697
>Not 100% familiar with the latest version of HB.

Reason being the dwarves make that copter SOOOO spicy and it's already spicy as it is.

>>51119037
It pisses me off because I always stop by kfc to get a 4 piece stoney for the board. Those ravengers ain't no joke, they will send your ass home if you're not prepared.

Ancient stirrings should of been banned too. Here's hoping they print something that allows us to interact/slow down Tron. Or esle I'm stuck with mb ghost quarter and hoping for Christmas to come early

>>51119037
Affinity literally cannot beat Kolaghan's Command, Path + any other spot removal since you draw on average max 2 haymakers, any sweepers, any sideboard card that reads artifact if you have anything else to follow it up with, Stony Silence or a faster goldfish from Infect or Ad Nauseam, the deck is 100% fine.

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>>51124983
>Here's hoping they print something that allows us to interact/slow down Tron.
I'm not very good at magic, but I kind of feel like that's the opposite of what they did.

>>51125141
This negates Oblivion Stone at least.

Has anybody actually tried post-ban dredge? How much of a nerf is this actually? Dredging 4 or 5 cards at a time doesn't seem *that* much worse to me than Dredging 5 or 6.

>>51125166
And ghost quarter

>>51125179
The deck also lost a 20/20 recursive fatty for it's grindy matchups

>>51125108
>Affinity literally cannot beat Kolaghan's Command, Path + any other spot removal

Not entirely true. Etched Champion can get you there through the hate.

>>51125225
Nothing quite like an opponent drawing all of their spot removal and no action, just getting chipped to death by Etched Champion.

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>>51125225
That's a nice creature you have there.

It'd be a shame if you had to sacrafice it.

>>51125223
Sure, but has anyone actually tested it yet?

Dredge didn't get strong when gg troll got unbanned, it was the printing of ntr, amalgam, and reunion that made it really work. If wizards wanted to take dredge off the map instead of just slowing it down a bit they would have banned bloodghast instead.

>>51125349
You'll never make me sacrafice anything.

Does Yahenni's Expertise fit into Lantern Control as some kind of curve topper? It wipes the board and lets me play any spell in my deck wich is good, but I'm afraid the CMC is a bit too high. Also is Trophy Mage worth it?

>>51119256
I dont think that tron will be stable for as long as crumble to dust exists. It just kills the deck, man.

>>51125225
Oh look. I played a board wipe. It's shame what happened to all of your creatures. I'm sure you won't draw into lands for the next 3 turns. Good luck have fun

>>51125349
Dude it says how to spell it on the card

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>>51125381
>testing dredge
>when the banlist updated literally yesterday

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>>51125464
>Someone mentions how Affinity can't beat spot removal
>Etched Champion is mentioned as a way Affinity can get through spot removal

Yeah, board wipes sure are spot removal and therefore extremely relevant to the conversation at hand. You'll notice that >>51125108 mentioned sweepers already and nobody disputed that.

>>51125499
Well shit.

Despite being awake for the past 30 minutes I feel dumb.

>>51125500
Found it, thanks. https://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments/5n2020/modern_wizards_doesnt_playtest_moderndec_aka/

>>51125533
Wait some cucks think swapping Grave Troll for Golgari Thug isn't a big deal? As a guy who once owned Manaless Dredge, this is fucking dumb. Dredge is about getting a critical mass in the yard and snowballing, so anything that keeps you further from that critical mass is a larger hindrance than it appears. They claim that Wizards hasn't played Dredge, but I'd bet that poster hasn't played Golgari Thug.

>>51125533
Again, that person hasn't actually tested anything. It's just a netdeck with Thugs replacing Troll. Which is probably a fine choice. Not great, but fine.

Give it a week and you'll have your testing.

>>51125550
If you've played Dredge for any extended amount of time, then you've played games where you simply never hit a Grave Troll and still handily won without it. People who are saying A. that the deck is significantly crippled without Grave Troll or B. that WotC is trying to kill the deck by banning Grave Troll are both failing to grasp the situation. The feature of Dredge that is what makes it responsible for "turning Modern into more of a battle of the sideboards" is that without sideboard hate, Dredge was too often too fast and too resilient for most decks to have a chance against it. All banning Troll has done is lower the percentage of times Dredge explodes early, meaning it has a lower consistency in tournaments and therefore needs just a little less consideration in sideboards.

>>51125550
Oh wow, look at those credentials. You once owned a different deck in a different format. You must surely know what you are talking about in that case.

>>51125514
So affinity think they are going to win games by chipping at health with a 3 mana creature they can't guarantee they'll draw. Sure. Yes.

Affinity only ever really won with ravager and etched anyway so it'll still be the same pile of shit as it was

>>51125665
If you've played Bloom Titan for any extended amount of time, then you've played games where you simply never hit a Summer Bloom and still handily won without it. People who are saying A. that the deck is significantly crippled without Summer Bloom or B. that WotC is trying to kill the deck by banning Summer Bloom are both failing to grasp the situation. The feature of Bloom Titan that is what makes it responsible for "turning Modern into more of a battle of the sideboards" is that without sideboard hate, Bloom Titan was too often too fast and too resilient for most decks to have a chance against it. All banning Bloom has done is lower the percentage of times Bloom Titan explodes early, meaning it has a lower consistency in tournaments and therefore needs just a little less consideration in sideboards.

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>>51125700
>So affinity think they are going to win games by chipping at health with a 3 mana creature they can't guarantee they'll draw. Sure. Yes.

Having personally done just that, yes? Why wouldn't I think that when I have played that exact game?

How dead is Infect without probe?
What do I use as an alternative?

>>51125706
That's kind of a retarded comparison when there's not a second set of Summer Blooms in the deck that do 80% of the same effect and you can replace the Summer Blooms you're losing with ones that are 66%.

Basically, you've made an incredibly lazy and poorly thought out attempt at a rebuttal when you were trying to be clever.

>>51125738
Dredge is nowhere near the cancer that Bloom was though.

>>51125662
Woops, I derped. This was the post I found where someone actually tried thug dredge http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-1-modern/712805-dredge?page=68#c1700

Losing their only creature that could dodge anger will certainly cost dredge a few percentage points, but thug allows a different kind of grinding, so maybe it's not all loss. Especially if everyone else assumes the coast is clear to remove the playset of rips from the board.

>>51125758
This.

>lol let me win the game out of my ass turn 2 and there's nothing you can do to stop me

>>51125725
You bring in another 4x pump spell (blossoming defence sounds good) and try to go off blind. The deck won't get better but will still be t1. I've also heard people wanting to try a slower BG build that brings in inquisitions.

>>51125758
I'm not sure who was implying it was, unless you meant to reply to >>51125706

>>51119117
There are a few girls at our local game store
>girlfriend of some dude who is good, she won Origins Game Day playing elves
>girlfriend of some dude who started magic before him and is better than him, she's rly good and won FNM draft last time we played together
>GF of some dude who is bad at magic; she is even worse
>woman in her late 30s who obviously has some issues in her life and is using MtG as escapism; she is not competitive and thus doesn't grow very skilled

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Guys, help I'm torn apart on this one.

Should I use Unhinged/Zendikar full arts in my deck or these beauties from Tempest/Urzas/Ice Age/Mirage?

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Honestly this is my new cardfu

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>>51125986
I'm quite partial to Tempest/Urzas/Ice Age/Mirage lands, but only if you have enough to stick to one set per land type (so no mixing Urza mountains and Tempest mountains). Then again, I'm also an immense hipster when it comes to lands, to the point that I love running old white borders, so my taste is pretty questionable.

>>51125821
I've been running 4x Blossoming Defense and 2x Spellskites in the main due to all the spot removal already.

Probes can be replaced with another cantrip if possible but I feel like Mishra's bauble is too slow to use.

>>51125783
>one dude who played 6 matches

That's some quality testing right there. Well, at least he played the damn deck.

>>51126013
I'd love to run more of the 4th and 5th edition lands myself, but damn.

They're pain and a half to get.

>>51126074
Peek does the same thing as probe at instant, just not for "free". Probably a lateral change in my opinion.

Cerulean Wisps could be an option as it untaps your creature, allowing you to pump and block? Although, I guess you don't really want to block. I dunno, I'm reaching here.

>>51126157
Might consider Peek I guess if its the same care with a required mana cost.

Would sooner use Slip Through Space over Cerulean Wisps.

>>51126157
Or you can drop in more protection for your creatures.

Like maybe 2 dispells/turn aside/mizium skin and 2 more pump spells.
Mizium skin in particular since it dodges stuff like Abrupt Decay.

>>51126157
>just not for "free"

Which means it's worthless. Anyone who is seriously considering replacing Gitaxian Probe with Peek has somehow completely failed to comprehend why Gitaxian Probe was good.

>>51125381
I was not saying it's unplayable, I was just saying that it became worse versus control because of my point, and other anons pointed that it became worse versus aggro because it will be slower

>>51126202
On the other hand, dredge is probably hurt less by push than any other aggro deck is.

>>51126200
>Hurr but its not fREEEEEE

But it was just banned because its free.
Which means being free is too powerful

>>51126253
In near future they'll probably ban Mutagenic Growth too.

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>>51125986
Fullart lands are the hipster clothes of MTG. People think they look cool, think it's vintage but their not. Stick with basics from before 2000.

>>51126253
And? What the fuck point are you trying to make here? I said that Peek is worthless compared to Probe, what message did you think I was trying to convey from that information? You somehow seem to think I'm protesting the ban or something, when in reality what I'm saying is that Peek is a shit card and you'd be an idiot to fill the now empty slots Probe had occupied with it.

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>>51126418
My nigga you did not just diss Time Spiral basics

>>51126441
>sold a shit load of my old lands
>still have plenty Timeshift/Spiral lands

Good taste anon, their art is top notch.

>>51126427
>Give no recommendations whatsoever
>"hurr ur an idiot for playing alternative cards"!

>>51126441
No, as I replied to the person asking about old bordered lands. If you prefer basics of any set, fine by me. I only have a problem with the overhyped fullarts.

>>51126534
Because there isn't anything that you can just jam in instead of Gitaxian Probe in decks that were playing it. Bauble doesn't give you a card immediately and doesn't offer the same amount of information. Peek is too bad of a tempo loss for fast decks operating on a low land count.
It's not productive to offer bad alternatives when in reality you need to be doing more radical changes than just replacing Probe with something else.

>>51126252
Push will take the slots of other removal that didn't hit dredge either, I don't think it will change the meta that much

>>51126534
I don't have to give a recommendation to call Peek a shit card. Despite what you might think, it is in fact still constructive criticism to say what would not be good to play.

>>51118209
Play Pauper. Best Kiln Fiend Deck in Pauper.

>>51126645
>Delver
>Nivix Golem
>Kiln Fiend

Yes, YES.

>>51126567
This
So much
I was planing to play monkey delver, and I feel like the deck lost so much with this ban.
There are no others free cantrip I can toss to not!fow and cast for zero mana

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>>51125986
The new hip thing is Guay basics and they are awesome.
I played against someone in the mkm series prague with them as well and we both knew how hot damn stone cold cool we were.

>>51126672
My favorite version of that deck is Tireless Tribe +Inside Out+ Apostles Blessing to get it through.
It's great when it pops off.

>>51126784
Sweet jesus, I didn't know 2016 commander lands looked this good.

>>51126809
>my store doesn't have foiled versions of any of those

god damnit

>>51126876
If they're from Commander, how would they have foil ones?

>>51124253
>>51124388
I used to think Affinity was a easy deck to play with, then I played with him in 3 games best of 5
It is way harder than your usual aggro deck

>>51126903
I don't particulary follow Commander sets prints since I don't play it.

Granted sometimes they reprint some sweet cards, still gonna probably get a couple of those lands on my next visit for FNM.

>>51126928
>I don't particulary follow Commander sets prints since I don't play it.

Well, the point is that the Commander sets are precons, not like Conspiracy, so the only foil cards in them are the predetermined foil legendaries.

>>51122930
>you will never play esper dragons again outside of casual

Why live?

>>51127037
well, there's always funtier

>>51127047
You actually gave me idea.

I got bunch of useless dragons from Fate/Dragons/Khans drafts.

Maybe I'll use them to brew a frontier Dragon Controll.

>>51127077
Pretty sure I've seen a Dragons list or two floated before.

I just ordered Bant Eldrazi yesterday, and there's this smug little fucker at the LGS that runs UB Mill. He's actually been on a decent winning streak lately. Is anyone familiar with the matchup? Should I add something to my sideboard, or is it easy enough that I don't have to worry about it?

>>51127077
That was a thing while Khans block was in Standard. Esper Dragon control, plus it's gotten some new toys, so it could work?

I don't really know how I feel about Frontier other than, "Why not?". I mean, i get that there's not a bunch of reasons NOT to like it (But a few), but at the same time it gives me an uneasy feeling that I can't quite place.

>>51127177
If you're honestly worried about a mill deck, just run a sideboard Infinite Gyre or Butcher of Truth. It they're running a really grindy stall game, I could almost see actually managing to cast it to too if you happen to draw enough Eldrazi Temples or Hierarchs.

>>51127296
It can actually be pretty quick, desu. I usually play control, so I don't know if they run bridges in the side or not.

These generals were better before desolater started posting here

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>>51119117
>>picked out cards boyfriend already owned
>> superior to other people throwing thousands at decks
Howich did he spend?

>>51127364
Bridges? What the fuck kinda deck are you talking about?

>>51127183
I think i'll buy in to frontier if they ban fetches. 3-4c piles isn't that fun to deal with every single game.

>>51127364
Well, if you run Gyre and they play a bridge, you can just blow it up and go after them anyway. If all they can do is mill you and Gyre protects you, you can just very slowly kill them with Hierarch.

>>51127432
Ensnaring bridge...

>>51127446
That makes more sense than bridge from below...

>>51127444
Yeah I'll see how it goes. I might just be fast enough that I don't need to worry that much about it. When I played against it with my Esper Draw-Go list it ended up feeling like it was just slightly slower than Burn. Hedron Crabs and Manic Scribes do work. In addition to the classic mill spells of course.

>>51127478
Seems like it folds to Tron

>>51127444
Gyre does seem like a good addition if I need to. They run surgicals, not sure if there are any in the main though. I still get the trigger of course. Gyre gives me some time, not infinite though since I'll eventually draw it.

>>51127491
Well... There's not really any Tron in our meta at the moment. That's probably going to change soon.

>>51127511
Be the change, anon

>>51127532
Nah, I'd get bored with it too fast. I'm digging Bant Eldrazi atm.

I'm 100% ready to see Jordan Boisvert's article on Friday. He always acted extremely arrogant towards people who "didn't understand how bans worked" and got completely BTFO.

>>51124493
Get out, you tasteless autist.

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>>51124521

Rate my shitty grixis control brew /tg/

https://manastack.com/deck/grixis-ascension-control

>>51128112
So basically it's a 4-of in any deck that runs black

>>51123632
Perfect curve of Sigarda's Aid into Sram/Puresteel means it happens EOT on turn 2.

>>51128115
If you're in black why not just run tasigur and manlands as your wincons? Why jump through hoops to get ascension online as a value engine, like playing four faithless looting, when you can just play 4 ancestral? Why are you playing a deck that obviously needs probe to function?

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>>51118209
I can pull of T3 Kiln Fiend wins and my deck doesn't even use Gitaxian Probe or any form of Phyrexian mana.

>>51128566

Rituals?

>>51119117
Only female that goes to my LGS on a regular basis is a women in her late 60's. She comes and drafts, she isn't really good but she is a peach to talk to and just a very sweet lady.

>>51126418
Fuck you dude, the joke set lands are fantastic

>>51127545
Bant eldrazi is just as braindead as tron

>>51128572
Not necessary for a T3 win so long as your opponent doesn't block more than 3 damage/thinks you couldn't possibly swing for 20 by then.

>T1 Mountain, bolt
>T2 Kiln Fiend
>T3 Brute Strength, Temur Battle Rage

>>51128566
>>51128572
Or you can use Manamorphose.

Works perfectly fine to line up retardingly boosted fire pupper.

>>51128992
I think you missed a couple land drops there

>>51127997
What was he saying?
Also I just realized this is probably the first time in a while, since ponder was banned, that cards have been banned that don't completely neuter the decks they were in.

>>51129337
>dredge
>dredge count goes down
>loses an Xbox hueg dude in grindy matchups or playing it through hate
It's a nueter freindo, if you think that thug even comes close to GGT you probably don't play dredge.

>>51127997
He's not too phased by the probe ban. I'll admit he can come off the wrong way but he's a French Canadian, what do you want from him?
But for the lols I bet he comes up with some retarded delver brew that's 4 colours then says his conclusion is to just play counter Cat. Here's a tip, counter Cat is bad

How do you hate out tron? Is there actually a card that kills their plan similar to stony silence for affinity or melira against infect?
Stony silence is meh against tron

>>51129534
Blood Moon and Ghost Quarter are really all you can
Spell pierce is alright at stopping a turn 3 Karn but that's really all blue has

>>51129534
What deck are you playing senpai

As a Tron playing degenerate I can give some advice

>>51129534
Bloodmoon renders tron lands useless.

Ghost quarter + Surgical Extraction on the land you destroyed, they can't assemble tron and need to slowly ramp up to that 7 mana like a regular deck.

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>They banned probe
Fucking why, fuck you wizards you worthless fucking cunts all I ever wanted was to play my suicide June deck I've been playing forever. I was running that deck without ncatls since forever, I invented that deck, I poured everything I fucking had into that deck. I play tested it for months, before Swiftspear, running combo finishes, testing everything, tuning every little fucking thing about that deck. And then these fucking broke niggers had to come along with their kiln fiends and get a couple turn 2 kills on stream and everyone loses their fucking mind. I'll be honest, it's a good card, but taking out that 1 card rapes deliver, it rapes infect, it rapes suicide and it rapes kiln fiend, it's fucking horse shit. My deck was never all that unstoppable, it dies to path like a bitch, it can't beat control decks. It's not fair, I've been perfecting this deck for fucking years and just when it finally comes into fruition and I see everything coming together and other people are actually playing this deck I championed and won tourney games with and spent all my time playing, when it's not even over represented in the meta, and they fucking end it. Infect will still be a deck. Kiln fiend was always a shit meme. Delver will always find a way to be okay but not better. But my suicide jund deck will never ever be fucking good again, cause that card and deaths shadow was all I built the deck off, play sets of each, hand in hand. And now it's over. Fuck you wizards, end my life someone. I have nothing to live for, my child is dead.

>>51128992
you need 7 out of your 9/10 cards to be perfect and your kiln fiend to not be bolted/pathed/pushed

>>51129822
You can't seriously be mad that somebody built an obviously better deck than you with the same concept and it got banned.

>Wahhh why can't I have skullclamp for my tribal humans deck wahhh

>>51129028
Yeah I did, I also said Brute Strength instead of Brute Force, lol.

>>51129856
>playing Kiln Fiend in Modern

There's your problem.

>>51129994
Do not bully the fire doggo

>>51129921
>Obviously better
Nigger please explain to me how my deck is any worse because goblin guide and leach are 2 meta choices I've added very recently and it was definitely the right call
>implying not being able to run any basics in this meta is good at the moment
>implying you want to have a card that dies to bolt
>implying you don't see the synergies between leach and shadow
>implying lynx isn't a fucking trash top deck
>implying goblin guide isn't better in this meta with haste and can apply early pressure nearly just as well
>implying you know anything about the deck and I don't consistently place well in tournaments with it for 3 years
Fuck yourself you don't know a fucking thing

>>51130095
You are obviously playing leech because you can't afford goyf and are playing strength over bauble for god knows what reason. Keep crying.

>>51128112
>Golgari Grave Troll

>>51130163
Goyf doesn't let you kill yourself faster

>>51129400
Losing Grave-Troll isn't a neuter, it's shaving down percentages. For comparison, a neuter was banning Second Sunrise.

>>51130231
Banning Second Sunrise was a mistake, they should just print more conters and artifact hate
But I forgot counters are unfun

>>51130204
If you have Goyfs, you don't need to kill yourself as fast.

>>51130204
Goyf doesn't die to bolt after you activate its ability, you don't need help hurting yourself if you play the deck properly. There is only one 2 drop that death shadow can afford to run and that's goyf, simply because he's the most power you can play without dying to bolt. You can't possibly have an argument for titan's strength, that card is literally worse than brute force because it can't protect all of your creatures from a bolt. Both are far worse than bauble.

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>>51129822
i just finished assembling my grixis delver, kolaghan command's came into the mail earlier today and I'm mad too at the probe ban.. but seeing someone this mad makes me feel a bit better lmao

>>51130299
They shouldn't just print more artifact hate, because that's just going more into Magic: the Sideboarding. More counters would require them to make a FoW style "police" card, which would require a bunch of decks to play it for it to have any effect, and just compromise the nature of the format more than Eggs ever did.

>>51130400
Would eggs even survive in the current format? I feel like there's so much discard and cheap artifact hate running around that the deck wouldn't be any better than tier 2

>>51130299
They banned eggs because it went to time too often, being able to counter their winning play would make things even longer because then you still have to kill them after. Eggs was a mistake from a practical point of view.

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>>51130163
>can't afford goy
Sure
>>51130307
>All this jerking off goyf
I ran him, and with all the graveyard hate in this meta shit, I prefer leach over him. It's essentially the same card in the end, game is played so fast goyf at times doesn't even get bigger than a 3/4, and yeah when you run double strike that 1 damage matters. At this current point in time I feel this list is correct. And there's a huge difference between running a card that just doesn't die to goyf and a card that prevents your smaller minions from dying. Burning a buff isn't where you want to be, and you never go in on a creature that can die to bolt unless it's only save is brute strength. The screen is 100% more valuable to me than the 2 health buff, and has won me a fuck load more games than 2 health has. You have no idea what you're talking about and should end your life desu.

>>51130546
>mfw I just realized the FOWs I bought for 80 dollars are now worth less than the Verdant catacombs I bought for 30 dollars
Strange world

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>>51130546
Except now that dredge is weaker, you expect a little less graveyard hate

>>51130600
Ebin

Honestly the upcoming meta seems like it's going to be a snoozefest.
Jund, junk, Eldrazi and tron. Might sell out desu

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>run 21 lands exactly for the purpose of not flooding out
>still flood out

>>51130894
Shuffle better

Cut one

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>>51130916
I'm playing on Xmage

>>51128112
I wonder if Affinity might bring back Myr Enforcer to help against Push.

>>51128628
>tfw never have granny-tier drafting buddy at flgs
>she'll never bring fresh cookies for everyone in the draft
>she'll never give you sage advice after you misplay about life giving all the answers you need, you just need to listen
>she'll never tell you about the problems her grandkids are having in school
>she'll never just stop showing up one day and a few weeks later her son stops by the store and says she wanted you to have something.
>it's a bulk rare draft bomb she took and beat you with after you passed it to her and beat yourself up about it.
>you flip the card over and it says "you just have to listen."
>you will never have these feels

>>51130812
>All the aggro decks that can compete with affinity and burn take a massive hit
>implying it's not just going to be a shit load of affinity and burn
Still a snooze fest, but if you think it's gonna be slow decks when affinity and burn have no competition you're high

>>51130589
>Bought LotVs at $16 each

This is getting to be worrying.

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>Losing to the 12 year old playing mono red burn with no fetches or goblin guides
Why does this happen to me so often. I'm literally 5 minutes away from selling my Tron and June decks and just playing affinity like the fucking nigger I am.

What's the best mono-white deck and the best (fun) budget aggro deck?

>>51130959
Affinity doesn't fair well against midrange. Burn is easy for those decks to hate out

>>51131042
embarrassing
You've literally got to be abrupt decaying your own goyfs to get crushed that badly

>>51131042
Why would he need fetches if he's mono red

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>>51130373
i know that pain
>have a binder of decks I'm building
>treasure cruise, serum visions, probe, and delver still in there
>right next to 1/2 of dredge
>$78 playset of Bloodghast in the mail

fuck...I'm sick of playing fish : /

>>51131109
Lavamancer?
All I can think of

>>51131114
Fish seems like a coolish deck from the few games of it I played

>>51131042
>fetches
>in a mono deck

Maybe git gud?

>>51131108
>turn 1 swift spear
>turn 2 spike spike
>already at 10
Yeah, I'm truly the worst desu, has nothing to do with the fact that any burn decks good draw has a 90% chance to end you

>>51131126
Searing spear

>>51130959
Affinity has been playing a single basic land to account for Path and then every subsequent Path has been as free as Push will be. Affinity isn't really any worse off than they were against Path or Bolt, it's just another flavor of the same thing they've been eating this whole time.

>>51131184
Searing Blaze

>>51131208
Whatever, fetches do make the deck slightly better in theory,

>>51131194
I wouldn't go that far, more decks are getting more tools to fight Affinity, that means it's gonna have a harder time

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>Phyrexian mana
>not completely broken and happy to see it go
Kill yourself desu

>>51124521
Deceiver exarch

>>51131471
>Pay 2 life or one blue
>Get to see your opponents hand
>Draw a card

As much as I like Grixis Delver, that cancer shit needed to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neIcxpw-AnI

I wonder why Modern must be
A format where everyone will die on turn three
I wonder how Modern will be
Without Twin to keep BS in check eternally
I wonder how tournaments will be
With sideboard bullets that I shall never see
I wonder how life will be
with a pain that lasts eternally

In every goldfish there's a different cheese
In every match I wish that I was back
To 2015 when I played
Interactive games of Magic

In every Tronland there's a different art
With every t3 Karn I feel so old
So very old as the Moxen
So very old as the dreadful Lotus

I wonder why Modern must be
A format where everyone will die on turn three
I wonder how Modern will be
Without Twin to keep BS in check eternally
I wonder how tournaments will be
With sideboard bullets that I shall never see
I wonder how life will be
with a pain that lasts eternally

>>51131662
fuck off grixis delver was one of the fair decks out there. probe was problematic elsewhere

>>51131704
I have no problems with Grixis Delver if that's what you're taking from this. Gitprob could be splashed into anything, I'm just glad Grixis Delver won't use such a busted card anymore, it's what made it mildly irratating when you're on the other side of the table.

>>51131696
How do people enjoy this kind of music while in the outside world where there's no subtitles to tell them what the static is saying?

>>51131876
The vocals are pretty clear on the album, get your ears fixed.

>>51131696
Wow. Cringe

>>51131876
>metal heads
>going outside

>>51130972
A man can dream anon

Remember when siege rhino was the most complained about cards? I miss those days.

>>51131996
I don't. Midrange is a cancer upon magic

>>51131891
Yeah I'm sure the song sounds perfectly legible if you've listened to it hundreds of times and have your audio set to isolate the vocals.

>>51132012
I'd rather play against June and junk for the rest of my life than burn infect and affinity

>>51132028
Hello fellow Tron pilot.

>>51132028
I wouldn't. Playing who can rip the better top deck is awful.

>>51132060
Better than playing who can rip the better starting hand

>>51132097
Midrange babies. Never change. Keep thinking aggro is braindead

>>51132097
Oh no.
I actually have to make decisions and have to use my resources wisely.

You keep thinking waiting for a kalitas off the top takes skill

Who /Tron/ master race?

Gx, mono-U, UW gifts. All flavors are welcome

>>51132028
>against June
>>51129822
>suicide June
>>51131042
>my Tron and June decks

>>51132151
Getting back into it after a year break, thinking about this list:
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
3 Oblivion Stone
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 World Breaker
3 Wurmcoil Engine
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Sanctum of Ugin
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
4 Karn Liberated
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 Ancient Stirrings
3 Pyroclasm
4 Sylvan Scrying
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 1 Spellskite
SB: 1 Wurmcoil Engine
SB: 3 Nature's Claim
SB: 3 Sudden Shock
SB: 2 Warping Wail
SB: 1 Crumble to Dust
SB: 1 Life from the Loam

>>51118886
>Good or bad for Grixis Delver?

Lists are going to move back to the Ryan Overturf style with no Young Pyromancers

>>51132169
Depending on your meta I'd mainboard the relics, go to 2 Wurmcoils mainboard or move pyroclasm to the SB but it looks pretty good to me

>>51120969
And if you're on the draw you won't have enough mana for Summary Dismissal on turn 4.

>>51131280
They're getting more tools, but they aren't going to start running more removal. Whether it's path or push makes little difference to Affinity, and decks aren't suddenly going to run more removal than they already were.

>>51131696
I'm glad Twin is dead.

>>51124616
Ok, so you remove their energy/mana dork and then get smacked in the face.

>>51132324
Even if they do. Welding jar is actually a good card

>>51131109
>>51131167
Consistency. Allows you to run more lands for better opening hands while keeping the odds of drawing into unnecessary lands the same. A teeny tiny advantage for the coin it costs, but if you already run all the right spells...

>>51119256
Tron still gets shot on by burn and burn didn't get hurt by the ban so no I don't think tron is going to dominate.

>>51132143

>pointing lightning bolt at your opponent requires more skill than deciding which card to take with IoK and planning out the next 3 turns
>turning Goblin Guide sideways takes more skill than assessing when to turn the corner as the midrange deck

I'm an Infect pilot, and even I think that you're a fucking mouth-breather.

>>51132504
Whatever makes you feel better

>>51132504
>infect player thinks disrupting hands on modern takes skill

Fucking pottery lmao

>>51132543

The only linear aggro deck that requires skill is Affinity, faggot. Lining up answers and maximizing efficiency in midrange is harder than "derp turn em sideways".

So I play probe-less gratis delver, meaning the ban didn't affect me. But I really like fatal pushes potential, should I swap out my singleton vapor snag or one of my 3 terminates for one?
On that note, what does terminate hit that fatal push doesn't?(besides big tron shit)

>>51132702
Reality Smasher and Primeval Titan

>>51132702
Gurmang
Tasigur
Prime time
Reality Smasher.
Take out 1x Snag 3x terminate for 4 push. It's never going to be bad and even you need terminate you can side them in.

>>51132770
Idk about 4, but I like 1-2. My singleton vapor snag has won me so many games though

Would a White/Black or White/Red deck with stuff like New-Thalia, Leonin Arbiter, Aven Mindcensor, and various vehicles work? Mostly thinking copter and the 3 mana 3/5, maybe 3 of the 3 mana 6/6 that crews stuff and some of the 1 mana 7/11. Vehicles are hard to remove at sorcery speed and your creatures don't run the risk of dying in combat.
Could do red for bolt/dwarves, black for tidehollow/inquisition/thoughtseize, blue for spell queller/spell pierce
Feels like there's potential

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>>51132686
>durr I slap all my free shit onto the battlefield
>requiring skill

>>51132860
I think some death and taxes lists are running looter scooter

Probably BW or UW

>>51132868
>>51132686
>>51132543
>>51132504

There isn't really any deck in mtg that requires any amount of "skill".

>>51131114
I'm sure dredge isn't going anywhere. In fact you're probably better positioned now that the meta will pack less graveyard hate. Hell I might even pick it up now.

>>51133011

Woah, I didn't know Jon Finkel was on this Honduran basketweaving forum. Oh, what's that anon? You're a fucking scrub with no Pro Tour wins? But I thought the game didn't require skill?

>>51132868

Go pilot the deck, you dumb nigger. It's a lot harder than the other linear decks because you have actual decisions and sequences to make, and anyone who has played it will tell you as much.

>>51132686

lol all Affinity requires is for you to know whether or not you can keep the hand you drew at the start. Believe me I play the deck and it's boring garbage and that's all I need to do with the deck.

>>51133507
I'm sure you're a real good player

>>51133507
Not >>51133373 this anon, but what was your win percentage? What do you play now?

Any decks running myth realized? It looks like a fun card even if it isn't super great

>>51133576

Most game 1's if I had to pull a number on my personal anecdotal experiences it would be about 60-80% of the time. Game 2 would be harder being on the draw and them having in sided hate. Probably win about 40, maybe 50% here. Game 3 generally being better again because on the play and you've seen what they brought in for hate lets you sequence better. Win about 50-60% here and 60% is a really optimistic estimate. It's probably more like 55%.

I haven't played the deck since Eldrazi Winter and even then I didn't even play it at the GP during Eldrazi Winter. Nowadays I play Elves, Titanshift, Ad Nauseam. Been borrowing a friend's Death and Taxes(Eldrazi and taxes) deck lately and it's been fun. Don't get me wrong though while Affinity is and still remains an effective deck it becomes incredibly fucking boring after playing it a while.

>>51131104
Martyr Proc unless your meta has a lot of tron

>>51132028
>I'd rather play against June and junk for the rest of my life
I'd rather not play magic.

>>51132504
you're both right, neither aggro or midrange takes any real amount of skill in modern.
Aggro is just better since it takes less time.

>>51133570

Good enough with the deck to know what i'm doing and what i'm talking about.

My idiot friend who fried his brain from taking too much meth and only recovered enough to be coherent again took my Affinity deck to the Modern tournaments way back before Eldrazi winter and he got top 4 all the time. He had not even been playing MTG for a year and could play that deck. I'm not saying that all aggro decks lack skill to play them but Affinity is not a deck that requires a high skill ceiling like you think.

>>51133598

There were some Myth TiTi(Thing in the Ice) brew decks but now that G Probe is gone that deck is probably dead.

>>51132998
I knew that, mean more with a vehicle focus

>>51134342
There's like 1 half good vehicles matter card, it's not really worth putting that many in. You don't want to end up in a position with lots of vehicles and few creatures, letting all your opponents removal be 2 or 3 for 1s.

>>51134342

A high dedicated vehicle focus would be real difficult when a Stony Silence just completely shuts down your ability to crew vehicles.

>>51134381
That's true, I'm just curious if Peacewalker can carry the concept in the deck since it seems incredibly powerful

Mark "If you play Dredge you're going over a ledge" Rosewater actually did it. The absolute madman.

>>51135708
Mark "Play a Grave Troll and your head with roll" Rosewater

So how plausible of a strategy is it to jam Golgari Thug, a Dredge 4 card, instead? Missing out on 2 mills can't be that big of a deal, right?

>>51119117
A girl taught me how to play magic. She was an emotional wreck and rage quit forever after I used mark of mutiny to take her Mogg Fanatic swing with it, and sacrifice it. She claimed I couldn't do that. I guess the joke is on me since years later I've sank 1000 bucks into it but it was delicious salt.

>>51135821
Honestly it might be alright. Obviously it's going to be a lot less consistent but it might do ok as a tier 2 strategy. You might have to jam 2 more other Dredge cards to make up for it, like Shambling shell or something, but it might still be kind viable. Conflagrate still gives the deck a good amount of reach to end games

>>51135821
>missing out on 1/3 of the dredge
It's literally unplayable and wizards will never ever let dredge be a thing and anyone who ever buys into it is autistic

>>51135893
>tfw just switched to legacy dredge and it's even more fun and degenerate than modern dredge
>won't have to worry about bans
Also you missed the beatstick potential with ggt

Whats the cheapest deck i can get with chinamen fakes that is not infect?