Warhammer 40k General

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FIRST FOR DA ORKS

DA STRONGEST AND FASTAS

Second for I NEED LEAKS

>>51114780
>Ghazghkull is a melee character!
>I1

500 point doubles tournament coming up for new army new year.

What would a 500 point CaD of Blood Angels look like?
What about Orks?
Harlequins?

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Are genestealers that great ?
Is GW coming back from the dead ? Why are they so fucking nice ? what changed ?

Greyfax seems pretty good.
Unique Psychic power is meh, but I'm liking everything else.

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>>51114787
Inquisitor qtFax demands leaks! Grand Crusade soon! Race war now!.

>>51114840
>prevents Sweeps
>denies Overwatch
She was made to support Sisters Repentia

>>51114780
>autism

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>>51114868
That's the plan, brutha man
I kind of like posting our battle pics here because usually everyone has well painted models on GW tables or well put together terrain.. and we're wingin it with w/e we can find for terrain.

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>>51114780

>S3
>I2

>strongest
>fastest

>>51114858
In the grim darkness of the far future, black, white, yellow, and brown have joined together to beat up green and blue

Race war is civil war

Civil war is heresy

Do you want to be a heretic, anon?

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So, MTG has Timmy, Johnny, and Spike.

Who are our players and stereotypes?

>>51114878
>Hates psykers, including herself and seeks redemption via purging
>Buffs assault units
>Denies psyker bullshit

She was made for Templars! Greyfax is our waifu!.

Any suggestions for Neophyte models for a Black Templars army? I'm not too psyched about the existing scout models, particularly the heads.

>>51114910

Is that his Predator? Why is are the TL lascannons so flaccid?

fyi even if you're doing casual, low points games, he could always put meltabombs on everything to help not suck as bad vs your Furioso

>>51114923
that tyranid girl

>>51114923
WAACfag whose army is grey and whines if he doesn't win

Nobody else actually plays.

>>51114923

the fluff enthusiast who has a perfectly painted balanced army of Thousand Sons or something similar and loses a lot

>>51114833
Management and community team.

>>51114923
that chill IG dude who can't even but at least he tries

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>>51114723

Any of you fine gentlepeople pick up ADB's latest waifu filled CSM adventure?

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Second month, they still didn't noticed

>>51115048
Read through IA yesterday and noticed that had a typo with "used" to say "sued" in one of the Assassin weapon descriptions.

I'm not sure if GW even gives a damn about any quality control at this point.

>>51115012
is that a full novel

>>51115048
What am I supposed to notice here

>>51114923
>no one remembers vorthos

Thank you to the people who replied to >>51114679

Seems like it might be useful for parking a five man squad somewhere and launching two missiles per turn at high profile targets since it has a 24" range.

>>51115092

no

>>51115120

No anon you gotta start thinking like a boss here. Give the Venerable Dreadnought two twin-linked autocannons, to fire eight rerollable BS5 S7 shots per turn with 48" range.

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Rate me.

>>51114923
Guy from Strict, often christian, background with tons of rules and restrictions he follows...who plays Chaos. The stricter his background the more he become a chaos fanboy.

May also have a secondary army of loyalists that he brings out from time to time.

>>51115117
It's a book about Traitors but features fluff on Assassins

>>51115090
>I'm not sure if GW even gives a damn about any quality control at this point.
They do. I've noticed that they actually quietly edit rules/spelling errors when they reprint books, it's usually just so minor that no one would notice. Especially since the (pirated) digital copies will probably never get updated.

The only thing I've noticed in recent years (and only because it's a minor thing that pissed me off) is they fixed the Militarum Tempestus warlord trait that mentioned "units in the same platoon" to "units in the same detachment" so it could actually function.

Those quiet fixes just never get mentioned because who would ever buy two codexes, or, why would people who pirate books ever buy the physical copy. And the FAQs aren't comprehensive or consistently updated.

>prime
for before painting
>base
for basic simple colours just to get area covered
>layer
>dry
>tecnical
>glaze
>shade
what the fuck are these

>>51115183
Often Catholic*

>>51115007
That would be me

>>51115223
Catholic or Mormon...

>>51115178
You're the same damn guy who keeps posting his stupid netlist every fucking general hoping for some kind of critique.

What is there to critique. You took pretty much the only units an Ork army has that are even semi competitive.

Just fucking playtest the thing and leave us alone until you lose and come back.

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>>51114723
HUUUUUIIIII!!!!!!!!!!

>>51115150

o shit

Where can I find twin linked autocannon arms?

Am I gonna have to pay out the ass for something on Forge World?

Is resin really as bad as they say it is?

>>51115210

>layer
slightly brighter versions of base colors, thinner paints, for highlighting

>dry
dry pigment for drybrush highlighting

>technical
special effects like blood and rust

>glaze
shiny colors

>shade
aka "wash", fills in the gaps of the model and produces natural shadows and color variation effects

>>51115281
Glazes aren't shiny. They're really thin paints for tinting and blending.

>>51115210
>Layer
Thinner paints that let a basecoat show through better
>Dry
Usually used for basing. It's a type of paint really good for drybrushing because it pretty much never runs.
>Technical
Depends on the paint, but basically they're niche use paints like Lamia Medium, to make your own paint shades.
>Glaze
Like shades, but with a glossy finish
>Shades
Remember inks and washes? This is them.

>>51115245
That too!

Alternatively, unbelievably loyalist to the point of screeching 'High Gothic' battlecries when they roll well.

When will they make Necron fluff great again?

>>51115303
Glazes really aren't glossy.

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First list.

The general plan is Khan w/ Command Squad

Then Tacticals/ Razors for mobile objectives/ troops.

Devastators move around popping out of their razorback then move back in and razorback moves back into possible cover.

Bike Squad is just mobile grav guns.

Any comments would be appreciated.

>>51115276
Ye olde chinaman recasts. Like from this guy

http://www.ebay.com/sch/halhk-pasrmmzl/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

>>51115276
Aegis defense line box comes with TL autocannon turrets

>>51115006
Yeah there social media team is honestly 10/10

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So what would it be like if Forge World updated the Ork Heavy Bommer and gave it the Waaagh! Plane rule?

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>>51115276

Actually nevermind, it looks like people are recommending grabbing the Aegis Defense terrain from GW and use using the turret from it with a little modeling skill.

>>51115373
I would probably run an all-flyer Ork army if I could, with Stormboy support.

>>51115371
Yes, shame we can't say the same about their writing department :(.

>>51115373
Big Shootas are the number 1 weapon on all Ork vehicles and they're so unbelievably shit.

>>51115503
All ork weapons are shit. Big shootas are just really common shit.

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>>51115494

Anyone know where to buy grav guns en masse?

I haven't been able to find a china man through ebay.

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>>51115373
>300 points
>BS2
>10 armor all around
>10 guns
>Transport:20 Ork Stormboyz

>>51115503
>Big Shootas are the number 1 weapon on all Ork vehicles
I've been saying it since 3rd edition, but TL-rokkit > TL-big shootas

if you're never going to hit, you may as well let your only hit actually kill something

>>51115617

Most people probably disregard the regular one in favor of the Blasta.

>>51115178
> Trukks
dude
> putting important 6+ dudes in the most fragile platform in the game
DUDE

I can deal with shit fluff so long as it doesn't kill off a faction entirely. Community engagement is so much more important. As is money-saving bundles.

That said, who in the world would by a Battlegroup Hammerblow? Either you already have so many guard that you don't need that many new tanks, or your just starting guard and you don't want to spend $800 on a faction you might not like!

Sorry GW but I think you went a bit overboard on that one.

>>51114723
I have the doom rider model still in its box sealed in shrink wrap. Is it worth anything?

>>51115678
>Important

They're not fucking Grots.

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#rememberTheFallen

is the manta the most expensive FW model?

>>51115646
Obviously, Mathhammer even favours T/L rokkit.

>>51115678

They probably couldn't get a better transport because they have Mek Gunz in every Heavy Support slot.

It's why you're better off just taking Gretchin over Boyz when you have bikes, which will probably make it there better and with fewer losses when the shooting starts.

>>51115755
No but it's #2.

>>51115735
> Playing two AV10 vehicles as all your vehicles at 1850 pts
> Expecting them to live past 1st turn

>>51115774
>Thinks I expect anything from Trukks

>>51115742
Cadia isn't The Rock, Anon.

>>51115764
Honestly I think a better investment would be removing the trukks and just putting in an aegis line

>>51115769
whats number one?

>>51115787
Then why do you have them

>>51115755
I think that's the Warlord class Battle Titan

>>51115816
Because 6" movement is fucking slow you retard and I want Trukks somewhere in the middle.

Plus, free rokkit shot and ignore cover can go fuck itself for one turn.

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>>51115742

It's not over, not until the last cadian falls

#finishthefight

>>51114858
She saw some nice booty. Look at her face there. She looks like she's biting her lower lip.

Dat ass

>>51115840
>asking for advice
>is a piece of shit to people trying to help
What's your problem, someone didn't critique your list for the past 99 generals?

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>>51115809
This piece of shit.

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>>51114923
That metalhead who plays Chaos and hasn't really grown up past the age of 14.*


*me

The instructions for ordering from chinaman can be found by scouring reddit, right?

>>51115860
Asking for advice? This is the single best list on this shit site that isn't outdated Zhard.

>>51115862

Dicks out

>>51114723
Where do I find the rules for the Aegis defense line? I can't find it in the rulebook or in my codex, but I see people in battle reports taking them often.

>>51115873
Stop asking, you're not going to find the answer here.

>>51115882
Dude posted his list and said 'Rate me'. What are we supposed to give him a number out of 10 and leave it at that?

Fine.

Shit/10.

>>51115905
>Shit/10.

Hahaha, this git.

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>>51114923
The Tyranid Girl that thinks her space locusts from hell are cute
The Ork neckbeard that makes "VVVRROOOMM" noises as he moves his trukks
Little Billy who picked space marines because they're the big heroes
Billy's big brother who traded up to space marines from another army
The unpainted Taufaggot with more monstrous creatures than troops
The Eldarfag that's just accepted his fate, and runs wraith or jetbike spam
The Necron player that has cheating luck with Reanimation Protocols
The DEldar girlfriend that picked them up to spend time with her significant other
The Guard player with billions of artillery and waste turns firing at the next table over
The Chaos veteran that smells of Nurgle and simmers with Khornate rage at his inept army
The Sisters of Battle player that is pretty cool, but uninteresting
The special snowflake that has a super unique army like Harlequins or Scions and runs them by themselves
The Knightfag that just wants to play with his giant robots
The Skittari powergamer that can't understand that mathhammer isn't the same as real dice
The one oldfag who has like 8 armies and can't shut up about the good ol' days
The one that sits there, paints, and never plays

>>51115882
No it's not.

Yesterday I asked you to pick and fix an army from a list. Today we nerf them.

How do we fix:
>Space Marines
>Eldar
>Tau
>Daemons

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>>51115950
You're right, this is.

I have so much shit to paint for my Blood Angels and Death Guard and I want to get some cheap Orks for the fun of painting them.

It's a fucking disease.

>>51114923

Spike = WAAC and competitive players

Timmy = players who love hordes and big models like knights

Johnny = players who use combos like allies, psychic blessings, or put dreadnought in storm ravens or super friends

Vorthos = fluff players

You don't need to invent new player archetypes both games fit

>>51115978
>the fun of painting them

Paint leather x 3000

>>51115954
>Space Marines

Remove Grav, thats it, though now marine have problems with Riptides and Wraithknights unless they spam command squads with plasma guns.

>>51116011
You can always give Marines the poison ammo from Deathwatch.

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Just because everyone is posting shitty lists they'll never actually play. Would this be tournament viable? Also considering switching the DP for another Sorcerer and a unit of Melta Chosen in Rhino.

>>51115840

Well, if you want to give up First Blood and Kill Points easily, taking Trukks is one way to do it.

They're even easier to take out than a squad of Gretchin.

>>51116035

>Would this be tournament viable?

No. Tournaments generally have painting rules and by the time you finish painting almost 300 models to tabletop standards it will literally be the year 40k

>>51115954
>Tau

Riptide is 20 extra points. Ion accelerator is another 20 extra points atop that. Limit of one per army outside apocalypse.

Super heavy suits no longer exist.

Markerlights now reduce cover saves by 1 for 1 markerlight counter instead of ignoring it for 2.

That should fix most of the stupidity.

>>51115954
>Space Marines
Nerf/remove Grav. Remove Skyhammer, remove free transports, crack down on the more bullshit AoD powers and nerf Smashfucker, though I don't know how to do the last bit.
>Eldar
Make most of everything more expensive. Remove free shit from the Guardian Battlehosts but add a different buff to compromise. The Warithknight in particular could stand to cost 100 more points.
>Tau
Make Riptides cost more, remove the bullshit formations that allow Riptide spam and tone down on suitspam in general. Genuine Farsignt players may suffer but sucks to be them.
>Daemons
Revert Pink Horrors, change up the Grimoire to not do what it already does.

>>51116108
A fix to suit spam may just be to have the Farsight Crisis troops require 3 suits minimum, but also be restricted to burst cannons. Still allows a battle suit only army, but the durable mobile troops will at least still be at S 5 AP 5 guns.

>>51116011

Remove grav or remove grav amps and make relentless and snp not work on grav as well as make vehicles immune to grav. Also need to remove Angels of Death psychic powers.

Plasma guns don't do shit to Riptides. Several of us posted the math required for it in 2012/early 2013 for various weapons and it universally took several times the amount of guns you can fit in a realistic 1850 army to kill a single Riptide. Like 15 dark lances, 115+ splinter shots, etc.

So unless you have four fucking command squads good luck killing a 3++ FnP Riptide which costs less than a single command squad to begin with

>>51115947
>The Guard player with billions of artillery and waste turns firing at the next table over
wish I was this guy
>The Tyranid Girl that thinks her space locusts from hell are cute
but apparently I'm a gurl

>>51115905
6/10
> spams the best units and still ends up with the most clunky list where
> all anti air and most of the anti tank is 6+ dudes in av10 paper boxes
> no good warlord or trait modifiers or even any relics because of spammy hq slot
> mid tier melee unit spam that would get obliterated against concerted shooting or actually survivable melee units
> best ld in entire army is 7
> best ork list
fucking what

>>51116180
Just a fag.

>>51115996
how is johnny not spike?

>>51116108

Smashfaggot is a waste of points and zero winning lists have take him. Hunters Eye Chaplain or Librarian on bike is literally more OP. Battle Company is trash without grav or melta.

None of you faggots even read competitive reports let alone attend major GTs so why do you always try to discuss it?

>>51115178
That army doesnt exist tho, not even in dream.
you haven't even bought a single ork bike or mekgun..

>>51115947
>The Sisters of Battle player that is pretty cool, but uninteresting
does this person exist because all the ones ive met are whiny cunts

>>51116108
in defense of the gimorie it has a 1/3 chance to give a unit -1 invul which is death for damn near any unit.

>>51116212
funnily enough I'm not homosexual. whats wrong with dudes liking nids? they are kewl, but also super not cool

>>51115954

Remove formations. All of them. I'm serious, think about it:

What incentives do the implementation of formations give players? Either the rules for them are bad, in which case the formation is not used and they might as well not exist, or the rules are good - often so insanely good, that armies are built around them to the exclusion of other options.

Players chasing better formations with increasingly more obscenely good rules that grant thousands of points worth of free upgrades, ridiculous rerolls and save improvements, etc., means that armies start to look the same and players have to escalate their own lists to offer a fair fight at the table (by adopting formations themselves).

This is called a "false choice" - yes, you can choose not to use formations, but then you also choose a far less capable force that will get rolled by any opponent out there that does use a formation, leaving no fun for you.

Formations are one of the biggest missteps GW has made in recent memory. They've got to go.

>>51116213
Not all combos are good

Venomthropes on horses loading up storm ravens shoving a bunch of terminators in a raider or mastodon are shit

>>51115954
> orks
> remove all ap2
Jobs a good 'un

>>51116213
Same way mtg Johnny isn't spike. Is storm tendrils Johnny or spike?

>>51116270
Allies are the same thing

still no full rules leaks for foc?

>>51116223
Calm down my man I'm literally just spitballing ideas as a spur of the moment thing. Smashfucker is a gimmick deathstar buld, I don't give a shit if he's the optimum way to play Marines, he's annoying as fuck to deal with in casual and semi-comp games and should go. Shit since we're nerfing Hunter's Eye, perhaps to a stackable auspex, we can just nerf Gorgon's Chain too.

>Battle Company is trash without grav or melta.
Free shit is bad game design. If we're changing shit up how about we just recost everything to make it actually balanced instead of relying on the crutch of allowing weaker armies to play with literally more points than their opponent?

>>51116223
smashfucker w/command squad=480 cutting corners
>no hit and run
yeah its a waste, as are all deathstars against anything with a D weapon

>>51115598
www.kys.com/urafag

>>51116279
ok but superfriends is good, thats why it wins tourneys. its also a bit WAAC
someone who likes alot of moving parts in an army is probably a better description

>>51116324

Yeah but allies are cool as shit though (assuming you play Imperium).

>>51116270
Formations are one of the east things to add to 40k. It's the Allies system but better.

Formations that give free transports and other free bullshit? That's whack. That needs to go. The rest of the shit is great.

Except for every GSC formation.

>>51116270
Formations have real potential. They are great for diversity in the listbuilding scene, and should have cool rules that are balanced by tax units and points costs for the formation itself like in Apocalypse. Skyhammer is a good example, it just needs its rules toned down.

They are a great way of making shit units not shit and empowering fluffy players. The problem is that GW also takes great units, spams them, and then gives them even more good rules as a reward. These problem formations, namely Riptide Wing et al. give the entire concept a bad name and should be straight up removed. Power units shouldn't be made so spammable.

>>51116402
*best
>phoneposting

>>51116090
The list has 36 models m8.

>>51115954
>tau
Riptide costs 200 points
Ion accelerator costs 25 points
Ion accelerator range now 36"
Remove existence of all superheavy suits
Add more vehicles such as that tank that was armed with 3 types of missiles (cluster was one of them)
Allow cover saves from markerlights if unit is behind cover, markerlights still ignore stealth and shrouded saves.
Make GW tau flyers viable, they're the worst flyers on 40k right now.
Kroot supplement codex.
This alleviates all problems with Tau and makes them what people wanted them to be originally, a combined arms army with alien auxiliaries. Although personally I just like Tau flyers, sexy little things.
Also, here's an idea, correct me if I'm wrong.
If you take a biker marine as a hq for sm, you get bikes as hq choices.
If you take darkstrider as your hq, you get pathfinders as a troop choice, but only one squad may take special weapons. Is that a good/bad idea?

>t. enclaves player

>>51116367
link didn't work

>>51116422
I wish Fire Warriors had access to the special weapons Pathfinders have. I NEVER use those over markerlights on my Pathfinders.

>>51116408
Especially since Riptides are, in lore, fucking rare an expensive as shit. They're basically Tau Mini Knights with better guns.

Hell, they're probably more survivable than Knights are. How's the math on that?

>>51116270
>implying people wont just use the CAD to take the most powerful unit en masse
Sure they cant spam it in the same way but the lists will still look the same with people taking the best options in their codex.

>>51116447
Welcome to /tg/.
You must be new.

>>51115183
>>51115245
>tfw Mormon Word Bearer and Iron Warrior with Imperial Guard
It's true.

>>51116471
or its the legendary trollflip!

>>51114951
Back in the day when GW sold 20 men Guardsmen squad. I just used guardsmen.

Neophyte back then where basically extra marine lives that could shoot and punch from time to time.

>>51116505
>Mormon Word Bearer
Somehow this makes sense.

>>51115954
SM: Remove grav, nerf free shit

Eldar: WK and starcannons literally double in price

Tau: Remove Tau Empire from the premesis

Daemons: Nerd Trendy and grimoire faggotry

t. literally all I do 40k related is read /tg/

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Guys I need a quick update about the fluff. WTF happened to Cadia??

>>51116231
>Buying Ork Bikes
>Buying Mekguns

Do you even ork?

Just grab fantasy orks riding pigs for bikes, add some random guns and done.
Mekgun? More like random bits gun.

Beside boys and random models most ork armies just throw bits and shit to their models and call it a day.

>>51116616
Cadia, Kell, and Celestine is kill, Celestine stabbed Abbaddon in the back somehow in his terminator armor

>>51116422
>>51116096

> no super-heavy suit

That's all fine and good, but it means they go back to being lack luster in the Lord of War department or having none they can field.


>>51116455

>Especially since Riptides are, in lore, fucking rare an expensive as shit.

No they are not.

The lore has advanced to the point they're seeing regular production now and can field them enmass in their campaigns.

>>51116612
>starcannons
They have been fine since they were nerfed to two shots. Nobody complains about them, where are you pulling this shit from?

>>51116636
>Kell, and Celestine is kill
Is Kell NAMED as dead? And when the fuck did Celestine actually die? I thought she retreated?

>>51116616
>failbaddon does his thing
>suddenly tarzan the amazing necron thief decides to go help them out
>gives the ad mech the secret to activating the pylons
>they spurg over them during the invasion and press the wrong switch
>cadia falls in to the eye of terror and explodes
>but not before the dark eldar show up to save all the imperial forces on cadia because they really don't want slaanesh's bois to win
>also abadman gets stabbed in the spine and has to drag himself back to his ship with his hands

>>51116636
Holy shit

Thanks anon

>>51116683
They activated the pylons wich disabled all chaos shit.

Turns out she's a "creature of the warp" and can't revive without it.

>>51116683
Kell isn't named as dead, but it's assumed so since Creed led a final charge that resulted in him being the only survivor.

Bad thing happened that turned off the warp and made Celestine human and Chaos forces not have Chaos helping them. Of course, this doesn't stop Abbaddon from being a SM with gigantism.

>>51115947
>The Guard player with billions of artillery and waste turns firing at the next table over
look gary.jpg

>>51116636
>Celestine is kill

No shes not, Abbadon bitch slapped her and she retreated with the survivors.

>>51116689
>Abbadon
>Having hands

>>51116606
Somehow?

Lorgar Aurelian is basically Joseph Smith writ large.

>>51116648
I do not have a LoW that doesn't involve allies, stop trying to justify the waac.

Also Riptide lore was better when they where rare. Mecha anime bullshit ruined Tau. And I fucking love mecha anime bullshit

>>51116419

For some reason I confused it with >>51115975

I don't know what I am even doing anymore

>>51116636
celestine isn't kill
they thought she was kill when the pylons fucked up the warp and all deamons / psykers/ legion of the damned / saints on the planet
but she stabbed abbadon in the back when he was choking creed right ?
or did the warp fuckery happen after that ?

>>51116728
Either way, is now canon spineless.
>implying he hasn't always been spineless

>>51116751
>No spine
>No arms
Truly life is hard for the Warmaster

>>51116733

>stop trying to justify the waac

I'm doing nothing of the sort.

I'm pointing out they'd have virtually no Lords of War of their own that would be worth taking.

>>51116765
>no hair
a topknot that large is definitely compensating for something

>>51115947
I thought skitarii weren't competitive enough to power game outside of that one formation

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>>51116689
All of this in the last book, Fall of Cadia? Damn, I will certainly read it. Thank you anon

>>51115947
>>51116251

That's me, actually.

>>51115007
Well as that guard player I hope that I can be more of an asshole soon since I just ordered a China cast Medusa artillery vehicle. Soon I hope to be pounding my friend's clan rukan iron hands bullshit into dust. I hate chapter master smash fuck.

>>51116809
vanguard is all about 6's to wound and alot of how you use those troops depends on those probabilities. its alot more risky than a 3+ save

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Anyone got any recommendations for Repentia conversions?

I know I want to use the heads from the Sisters of Silence frame, just wondering as to what to use for the bodies.

>AdMech
>CultMech
>Skitarii
help

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So in the spirit of chaos, I have 30 kakophoni and a scimatar jetbike that I'm gonna test at 1000 points. Is this just assholeish?

>>51117026
Fall of Cadia

Matt Ward returns to GW and Roboute Guilliman will be released for 40k before summer? Is the golden age of Warhammer upon us at last?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-fall-of-cadia-campaign-continues.html

>>51117022

Look up Raging Heroes or Malifaux.

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He just wanted to be a hero.

>>51117049
MY SPIRITUAL LIEGE RETURNS
>>51116704
So all that stuff about Jaghtai coming back to lead the DEldar, Sigismund returning from Trazyns cold storage and the ARK mechanicus showing up didn't happen?

Also are we getting a black templar codex, please don't tell me they are chapter compliant.

>>51117049
>ward returns.
>Guiliman realised
>golden age of 40k
Carnac is that you?

>>51116683
You are correct, meant Scatbikes, refer to last line of post, pls no bully

>>51117080
Abbaddon killed Sigismund in the first Black Crusade, and the BT are indeed Codex compliant.

>>51117054
I was thinking more within the GW line, but I'll go take a look.

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>>51117073
Curzecuck detected

>>51117107
Way to stab me in the heart and twist it.

>>51116699

Except she stabbed Abby in the back and cause him to teleport away. She's still alive.

How does a melta beam look?

How does a las shot look?

How does a lascannon shot look?

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>>51117113

>>51116648
>massed produced riptides
Lol what? They're produced as fast as they can make them, which isn't very fast. The nanocrystalline material it's made of is hella rare and they need it in ridiculous amounts which ensures it's use as a rare battlefield commodity

T. I have 3 unpainted riptides

>>51117144
Imagine a heat ray, except it's concentrated lava.

Imagine blaster fire.

Imagine big blaster fire.

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>>51114976
?

>>51116689
>Deldar show up

Did they actually show up?

>>51116769
Buff tigersharks and call it a day. Mecha bullshit is shit for non-epic 40k.

>>51117174
Still crossing my fingers for the rumored "triumvirate" of Eldar pack. CWE, DE, and Exodites.

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>>51117144
Melta beam looks like a huge shimmering mirage with steam coming out
Lasgun shot is a very thin, continuous red beam, think a very strong laser pointer
Lascannon blast is the same but huge

>>51117183
flyers are shit for non-epic 40k too, though

>>51117188
>Exodites
Why not Harlequins?

>>51116648
Riptides being a rare thing that a Sept would have one or two of at best was way better. They even had a unstable drive to represent being a prototype unit. Them being common as balls is just dumb writers, just like how the Super heavy suits existing is also dumb.

If anything, they should have just made Riptides Lords of War. Outside of that, a scaled up Hammerhead to rival a Baneblade would fit their philosophy on titan hunting far better.

>>51117188

I want some bored Archon to shown up and pull a Trayzen.

>>51117201
That was the rumor I read. Even if it was Bell of Lost Clickbait. Some CWE guys, Vect, and an Exodite.

>>51117205
See>>51117160
They are rare

>>51117144
>How does a las shot look?
>How does a lascannon shot look?
laser weapons are either visible beams or essentially light "bullets" depending on the artist

>How does a melta beam look?
jet engine afterburner

>>51117080

13th Black Crusade and the destruction of Cadia are such dire events that the greatest leader of the Imperium, Roboute Guilliman, must be restored to handle them.

vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgSOaESES0

>>51117110
Then just use the Repentias from GW. "Wargame Exclusive" have some Repentias too, assuming you don't mind the boobs.

The other option from GW is DCA, either way you are getting metal models if you want GW female melee models. Unless for some reason you use SoS

>>51117165

fucking Chitiny.

*Crickety*

>>51115947
>mathhammer isn't the same as real dice

nigga you done fucked up. math aint magic. the only reason math isn't the end all of 40k is that you also have to consider other things like positioning, LoS, etc. and a number of other factors that don't have easily accessible numbers, so knowing the math won't automatically make you win. you should still know it though, goddamn what is the deal with all of these fags playing this game who don't even know how to calculate grammar school tier probabilities to play the game better. calculating these easy mode probabilities in your head at the table should be considered basic competency, yet most people don't even do this.

>>51116648
>lackluster in the lord of war department
FW is updating the tigershark line of flyers, if they get the same rework the tua'nar got as a release, we can expect ridiculous dakka from them.

>>51117165
Im okay with this and im not okay with that.

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>>51117144

>>51117213
Representing in the rules that they're still rare would be at nice. Having them form squads of 3 in formations of 3 squads just makes it worse.

>>51117205

Yes, but most Super-Heavy tanks aren't that good on the table and are eclipsed by their Walker and Creature counterparts.

>>51117174
sorta

It was some dark eldar tarzan had on ice who agreed to help.

>>51117252

Or they could keep it the same.

Also, Super-Heavy Flyers are still quite easy to shoot down.

>>51117198
Eh? I think valks, stormravens, croissants and the like are fine. tigersharks are on the upper edge of that, but still fits.

>>51117316
And given that the empire is losing them almost as fast as they make them means they probably never have more than 300 at any time
They really should be limit 1

>>51117336
Well, it's a good thing I was suggesting things to Nerf Tau. They can complain about having mediocre Superheavies when other armies get a Super heavy that doesn't suck balls.

>>51117197
>that pic
Non-imageboard memes continue to be shit.

>>51117363
a single helicopter-esque jobby isn't too strange, but otherwise they're too big for the tables 40k is usually played on

>>51117372
Yeah. It works out perfectly. They're even around Knight sizes. They'd work perfectly as Tau's Knight Titan equivalent and be a nice cap for how giant their robots can get.

A limit of one also removes the most annoying thing about them, which is spamming them so you have a half-dozen to chew through.

>>51117388
I've enjoyed some of the memes made by attractive crazy girls. They're the only ones outside of image boards I've found to be pretty funny.

I hope in next IA book Fires of Cysomething tau will get rekt ad mech will win, and no "both sides win" situation like in last WG campaigning.
GW just gone retarded. Must hev faith in FW.

>>51117205
Or flayers like the did in the fluff before 5th.

Tau used flayers to hunt Titans.

Not sure if Titans were the equivalent of an Eldritch abomination for the Tau. The existence of Titans was something mind fucking for the Tau.

>>51117038
>is it assholish

not even remotely. in fact,

>doom sirens without rhinos
>30 footslogging MEQ at 1k points

it's not even particularly frightening. I thought it was gonna be a blastmaster list at first. ya gotta get some way to put those doom sirens on your targets, or you will get shot off the board.

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EXPLAIN THIS

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Are Ravenwing Bikers painted with the Guardians of the Covenant colour scheme (silver armor, black trimming, red robs) basically winged hussars IN SPACE?

>>51114922
The grim darkness of the future is just team based race war compared to the current free for all.

>>51117426
*GW campaigning

>>51117426

It's another Imperium win but the Tau's plan all along was to lose and they get to test their shit against the Imperium

>>51117445
No they are fast attack, and are weak without deathwing support.

>>51114833
>january 2014
>GW release the latest shitty Tyranid Cruddex
>stocks tank into the ground
>Fall 2016
>GW release Genestealer Cults with awesome rules
>explode back into success

It's like there's a curse on their profits when they treat Tyranid players badly.

Maybe they should seriously consider firing Cruddace already.

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>>51117146

>>51117445
IG rogue raiders are winged hussars in space, but without wings.

>>51117428
I think it was more the idea that somebody would build something that large and actually field it in a war.

I do agree that having Tau take down titans with aircraft, missiles, and railgun volleys was a lot more fitting. It would have been much nicer to get a formation of hammerhead that let them focus fire on a single target for a D strength shot, or for those D missiles on the Stormaurge to be stuck on a specialized LoW Razorshark delivery system instead.

>>51117436
All I got from this is that SoB can't use AoF because the models are outside of table.

Geez thanks like I needed another nerf.

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I have a few questions, please help me out here.

1. What does "Tax" mean when talking about units?

2. What is "Jink"

3. What if Corn was President?

4. Does "Boyz before Toys" count when playing killteam?

5. What are decent brushes that are not sold by GW, cause that shits expensive.

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>>51117514

>rogue raiders

>>51117428

>Tau used flayers to hunt Titans

I thought they started looking for other methods because the Tigershark wasn't always effective and because the Manta was too valuable to risk for such pursuits?

>>51117542
Read rulebook!

should fear be a useful mechanic or not?

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>>51116630
fucking snakebites

>>51117514
>>51117551
Sry i mean Rough Riders.

>>51117542
>1. What does "Tax" mean when talking about units?

It means paying points for something you don't really want, but have to take anyways. For example, I'd love to have more melta guns. I don't care what the melta gun is on, so anyone that carries the melta gun is a tax.

A Tactical Squad requires minimum 5 people at 70 points to carry a melta gun. That's a 70 point tax that I have to pay compared to, say, IG or Inquisition who have cheaper guys or smaller squads so they pay less tax.

If you want to get a bunch of heavy support, you have to pay the CAD tax requirement of 1 HQ 2 Troops to unlock the Heavy Support slots.

>2. What is "Jink"

Read your rulebook.

>4. Does "Boyz before Toys" count when playing killteam?

Depends on the army.

>5. What are decent brushes that are not sold by GW, cause that shits expensive.

Raphael 8404, Winsor & Newton S7, Da Vinci. But they all cost the same as GW. The only difference is they're the best brushes on the market for low snap, large belly miniature painting brushes while GW's are just average. If you like stiff high snap brushes or don't need a large reservoir, any suitable brush with a sharp tip will do.

>>51117551
>*rouge raiders

>>51117542
>1. What does "Tax" mean when talking about units?

What is tax?

>2. What is "Jink"

Junk spelt incorrectly.

>3. What if Corn was President?

Terrible music, terrible presidency.

>4. Does "Boyz before Toys" count when playing killteam?

Boys before toys will result in more teen pregnancies.

>5. What are decent brushes that are not sold by GW, cause that shits expensive.

Ones with bristles.

Please can you rate me list

Emperors champion 140

Crusade squad 10 man with chain swords, flamer and power weapon in a drop pod 195

Crusade squad 10 man with chain swords power weapons flamer drop pod 195

Jump vanguard veteran squad 7 man power swords x2 thunder hammer and sheild x1 power wepon (199)

Venerable dreadnought, assault cannon and flamer with drop pod (180) (mostly infantry armies)

or predator las anon sponsons (115)x2 (high vehicle count or high health armies eg tau)

or stalker (75) vindicator (120) (tyrinids with flyers and hordes/other horde armies

This is all I can take so don't worry the cost

>>51117631
Not a list / 10

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>>51117542
Tax refers to a subpar unit you otherwise might not take that you do anyway to unlock (generally) formation or detachment benefits for units you care about.

Read rulebook.

Who the fuck is Corn.

Don't know, I don't play, I just shitpost mostly.

See above.

>>51117570
Building their own Titans was so un-Tau it hurt.

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These are so awesome, but do i just substitute em for regular vanguards?

>>51116408

Formations aren't necessary. Even if you made them well balanced they're really set in stone and have zero diversity since you don't really choose what you can take (talking formations, not decurions). A better solution is FW's alternate force orgs. Those are very fluffy and actually balanced. For example, someone who wanted a superheavy centerpiece would no longer just cheese 1 HQ 2 Troops or abuse a superheavy only formation, they'd take the 30k Leviathan force org which has the appropriate bonuses and drawbacks for an army that features few men and focus solely on large warmachines.

>>51117670
why not

>>51117570
Even if they did, it's silly to think their first thought would be building an even bigger robot, since Tau fluff made it clear that they saw Titans as wasteful and impractical.

In the situations where tigersharks can't get close and there aren't any spare land a dropships available to support a fight directly, putting a spaceship gun on something ground-based is sensible.

What isn't sensible is mounting it on a pair of legs instead of a tank.

Also, directly in the fluff, it's stated that a modified Manta is needed to airlift in a Stormaurge. If you're facing a titan and don't have a manta to spare killing one, why would you have a specially converted one to spare to drop in something else?

>>51117670
>Kataphron weapons
>guys do I use these as Vanguard?

>>51117574
yes

>>51117570

So why wouldn't they just make a Tigershark with Riptide and Stormsurge guns?

Only reason this shit lore is even existing is because GW wanted to sell big robots that are popular.

>>51117691
i was thinking a xeno inquisitor-
or perhaps instead of a tech priest?

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FOR DA EMPRAH DA BIGGEST GIT WHO EVER WAS

>>51117642
>Who the fuck is Corn

I believe it is called Maize by native armenians.

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>>51117648
It hurt because you care about Tau. Stop caring about Tau. Stop buying Tau. Stop playing against Tau. The removal of Tau will usher forth a golden age.

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>>51117722
>native armenians

>>51117718
Is that a legit comic?

>>51117697
why?

>>51117670
They're Kataphrons you scrub, look at the guns.

>>51116689
How can he crawl without arms?

>>51115048
they infiltrated in, assassin-style...

>>51117745
>a group of ork boyz realized that the emperor was the avatar of mork and gork made flesh
>the empire is too perplexed to know how to handle this situation
>this kills the heretic

>>51117696
Those flimsy fuckers are in no way a goddamn Kataphron. Despite having the weapon.

Does anyone happen to have any of the anvil industries heads on guardsmen?

They look cool on the sight but unsure how they would look on a guardsmen.

>>51117764
And pierced spine.

>>51117773
Have you seen the rest of that website's range? They give no shits about the bulky aesthetic of 40k.

>>51117715

Those wouldn't be ordos xenos inquisitor they'd be that Ordo Mechanicum or whatever.

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I know I know it's from Reddit

BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIIITTTT

>>51117785
>implying Kataphrons don't need the extra armor and stability to carry and power large anti-tank weaponry
So you're telling me it's -ALL- shit then.

>>51117695

>it's stated that a modified Manta is needed to airlift in a Stormaurge.

That was something that didn't make sense to me.

Especially seeing as how they had Transport craft for the Riptides that were described as being landers or freighters of some kind.

>>51117707

>So why wouldn't they just make a Tigershark with Riptide and Stormsurge guns?

Wouldn't that be terrible by nature of it being on a platform that isn't difficult to shoot down?

>>51117810
something about the right pauldron does not sit well with me. Marble does not look good unless it's a flat surface I think.

>>51117775

They look better than the regular heads dude. They are smaller so they look like you put a FW conversion kit on them. Assuming you're using the cool helms like the goggles and kevlar helmet modern helmet or the Halo ODST wannabe helmets. The older metal ones are ok too.

>>51117810
The Grey is neat but the gold is fucking flat as my little sister.

>>51117648

They probably should have just had one of their Alien allies field something like a Titan and not the Tau themselves.

>>51114723
whats the easiest way to get a storm talon in a space wolf army?

i know i have to ally it but i want it to seem like its a space wolf storm talon so i dont want to have to ally in regular marines.

>>51117810
the beads are the only really good thing about that paint job

>>51117831
pictures?

>>51117783
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennia, truly anything can happen

>>51117816

Then put the gun on a superheavy hammerhead chassis.

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>>51117810
>2017
>not using retributor armor on a retributor

>>51117840
>fuckhuge Kroot Titan

It'd be like a living Stompa. Oh God it'd be amazing.

>>51117829

It looks fine on the other curved plates. It's probably all the wrinkles and lack of gold trim. Should've made that shoulder all gold IMO. Helm should probably be gold too. Not bad though the concept is good.

>>51117810

This isn't the age of shitmar general, mong

>>51117845

I think Forgeworld announced something like that was on the way.

But if that was done, it'd need to be more survivable than the average Super-Heavy tanks.

>>51117810
It's also not 40k you fucking cuntvirus

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>>51117840
>>51117855

Gue'la...

>>51117892
How is that a Titan, Anon?

>>51115150
He only gets 4 shots per turn, twinlinked

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Those fucking 10 points annoy me a lot.

>>51117862
I agree, that one would have looked better in all gold. I paint my sigmarines with gold shoulders like that and they look amazing, adds depth.

Cool concept but that ended up looking rather shitty

>>51117816
Not really. Besides, they already made a Tigershark with guns bigger than those. Twin strength D railguns should be great for the task.

Besides, you don't need something durable if you shoot first, which was why they used aircraft to start with. The Stormaurge is fluffed as something designed to hold a line. Which Tau don't really care to do, but can already be done about as well by Ruptures and hammerheads.

The one Land a you need to drop in a Stormaurge can carry 4 Hammerheads instead. While not reflected as well in the rules, that's a lot of firepower.

And again, if they really needed a more durable non-aerial platform, they should have gone for a tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-AuFJMXeP4

>Iron Warriors are bad, they said

>>51117908
Axe a combi-weapon then, holy shit.

>>51117908
Why aren't you taking all immolators?

>>51117904

We are talking about the Firespear formation. The Captain is a spotter, letting him shoot a second time if he doesn't move.

>>51117936
But I love my Combi. They keep me warm in the winter.

Honestly if I remove one I'll forget and use a non existent combi weapon.

>>51117916
I watched that and it's a classic case of being lucky and unlucky. Basically the Wolves player failed the important rolls and the IW player made some really impressive saves and rolls to pen and wound.

>>51117938
Rhinos are Repressors... thought 75 points Rhinos would gave that away. My bad.

And run out of Immolators so Repressors had to cover. In all Honesty I can just use them as Immolator humm

>>51117952
>not modelling WYSIWYG
Why bother setting point limits if you're just going to exceed them anyway? If you won't drop anything to scale down to 1500 then scale up to 1750/1850.

>>51117983
Ah yeah I was looking at that and wondering. You can name units in the list builder too, that helps for stuff like that.

Looks solid. Why a 10man retributor and not two 5mans?

>>51117900

How is a WK and Stormsurge a GC?

>>51117955

Yeah, the Space Wolves player was running a harder list but were unlucky. The Iron Warriors were nowhere near optimized, he unironically ran melee Chosen in an undivided army which is pretty fail, and made some noticeable gameplay mistakes. The artificer armor Daemon Prince and Havocs were the only really great things he took.

>>51118016
How are Kastelans monstrous creatures?

>The world will never know.

>>51117916
>fat fuck refers to a CSM troop choice as a tactical squad

Dropped

>>51118069
How can you drop the mountain? He's great.

>>51118069
>>51118076

They are called Tactical Squads in 30k even for Chaos, what else is he supposed to call them? "Generic Chaos Marine Squad" doesn't have the same ring to it.

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>>51118001
Mostly since they lack a Bastion or something to hide inside. More bodies to take the wounds.

>>51117986
Trying to remove the extra 10 points, that is why it was annoying.

What if Fires of Cyraxus keeps manta at 2000 points, but that cost gives your the cargo for free?

4 devilfish/hammerheads/skyrays OR 2 riptides/ghostkeels in the lower deck, 8 crisis/hazard battle suits, an ethereal/HQ, and like five units of firewarriors/pathfinders/stealthsuits in the upper deck

>>51118102
>pay 2000 points for an entire army worth at least that much, on top of the Manta itself
Are you a fucking retard?

>>51118016
because thats their rules

>>51118102
So buy one manta, get an army worth the manta free?

Anon...

Anyone have a link for Red Tithe in ePub? The novel link is getting a bit stale.

Alright I got a question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5_qwMplh8o
Who or what is that standing behind her at 1:30?

>>51118102

I know other armies been getting some free upgrades or transports, but jesus that is quite the jump

can anyone explain to me how to build a list? Its been years since I've played 40k and im coming back to play some Ad-Mech. Im used to the old force org chart with 2 troops 1 HQ etc. I wanna play battleforged, and im interested in doing Skittari + Cult. I'm interested in taking the Cohort Cybernetica formation from the Cult book(4 robots, 2 dudes and a magos), and then fill the rest of the army out with Skittari stuff. is that ok? I just tried reading a guide to list building and im being dumb. thanks

>>51118178
Trazyn.

>>51118178

Why is she a stern, overweight old woman in this pic but the other art of her(and her model) make her attractive?

>>51118178
Greyfax has such a man face in that picture

>>51118178
I think I see Trazn the Infinite waaaaaay out of focus, or whatever the necron's name is.

>>51118102
The Manta doesn't need a buff or anything. The reason nobody buys it is because it's like 2000 dollars.

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>>51118049
Because no one wants to have walkers anymore. Like Picture related

Open top walking AV11 for 80 points... Unless you play a tournament of 750 points where Knights are banned, and single model can't be more than 25% of list. CAD only in a 4"x4" board with 75% terrain. Penitent Engines are stupid. Even then is questionable.

>>51118130
>>51118162
>>51118187
So how much should the manta actually be? alone, not with free army.

>>51118232
They really should have been Monstrous Creatures. They make a lot more sense than Dreadknights.

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Hey anons, I recently got pic related as my first SM kit, and I'd like to know what bits to leave off for painting? Bolter arm for sure, but what else?

How would one go about building a deathwatch army and make it somewhat competitive? I''d like to include an ordos xenos inquisitor and perhaps some of the assassins or even all 4 with that formation.

>>51118174
Support the author. I know him irl and he really appreciates it.

>>51118261
Don't do what i did and cut out all the pieces before assembling, the arms have matching pairs and if you don't know which arms match to which you'll have a bad time. depending on what your paint scheme is, possiby leave off the shoulder pads, and if anyone has a non-helmet head that as well

>>51118261

Absolutely nothing, you moron. Plastic glue holds the model together much more firmly, sub assemblies are a last resort only for models you absolutely can't get around having to build in bits.

I mean sure, you could paint it in parts, superglue it together then paint over the join, but that's going to be more hassle for exactly the same result.

>>51118232

I still see quite a few people clamoring for better Walkers.

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>>51118196
i used that list builder at the top to at least show what im trying to do. is this considered a legal battle forged army? I guess im mostly confused on what a formation is. do you need to add the formation into a detachment? Or is it just its own thing. can i make a model in a formation my warlord?

>>51114833
isn't that basically when total war warhammer came out

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Threw this together out of boredom.

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>>51118291
Going to do the Word Bearers scheme as Duncan does!

>>51118312
Sorry for asking, anon.

>>51118312
apparently you've never painted space marines, the chest eagle and torso are extremely hard to paint with the bolter in the way, and if you're painting black templars or painting your assault squads with yellow helmets or anything like that, it is 10x easier to prime them white seperately

>>51118254
They were made in a time where MC where you know monsters like the nids. Anything looking like a Robot was a walker.

Then Tau show up and everything got fuck up.

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>>51118381
i threw this together for the same reason