Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Marvelous.

>>51109628
Utterly cute.

>>51109628
Best general pic in months

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Pretty comfy desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5_qwMplh8o

Having a real hard time settling on a chapter. Anyone want to give me a second opinion?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12068325

>>51109628
love it, good job OP!

Anyone in the third world having massive delayed shipping with GW?

The festivities is kind of a bullshit excuse

Any one else consider 40k like porn?

100% action 0%Plot? I doubt anyone is here for the plot after 4th edition

>>51109724
The mini is dope.

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>>51109730
LotD

>>51109628
Definitely the best picture this year for the general. Long may this trend continue

>>51109628
>Ravenerthrope vs the rare melee Kastelan
I've seen this image before but how did I only just realize?

>>51109724
I wish they'd release them separately, even as online exclusives.

They will eventually, but that model's the shit and I need it now.

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Reposting for whoever was giving me advice. Not sure if the list on the left is an improvement

>>51109836
>buy the box
>sell off Celestine and Cawl on Ebay

>split it with a friend(s)

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So /40kg/, what do you think of the new plastic Lord of Change?

>>51109879
bird/10

>>51109628
>>51109828
I'm the fag that drew on this box. I had read some of the cool kid's Fantasy codices way back in the 5th grade in the 90s, but hadn't paid any attention to the series since like 92. Fast forward, and my coworker/manager has, out of nowhere, fallen back in love with 40k very hard.

It was slow one day (Ice cream store in the winter) and he had mentioned a space-marines and nids box set he had been looking at, as well as a bunch of other things. Eventually it got to the point where someone should be sent home, and he told me I could go home if I gave him a Warhammer 40k Box Set.

Despite my efforts, I did not get to leave early. Again, I hadn't looked at a 40k box in like 25 years, this was from memory. I may have been remembering Star Craft, though.

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>>51109879

>inb4 someone points out a flaw or says they don't like it and some turd jumps on their back screeching about 'how dare you like the old model'

>>51109836

As I parroted in about 10 thread.

>Buy the Box
>Sell the Saint and Cawl on eBay as auction models
>End the auction for the day of release

You'd have made the cash back on the box and gotten Greyfax for free.

>>51109839
Would drop pod grav on/10

>>51109879
It's cool but a little too busy for my tastes.
>Tzeentch is supposed to be like that
Doesn't change my tastes.

>>51109879
Looks pretty shit desu.

>>51109879
He's ok. Coming with fateweaver bits is a plus.

not flying on a stupid breakable bit of shit/10

>>51109879
Like most new models, too busy. Just because you can add a bunch of shit doesn't mean you should.

It's like they've never looked at anything Japanese before. Japan is the biggest offender of over cluttered designs.

>>51109614
you really need to playtest an army to get a feel for what needs to be changed, and your edit still feels too top heavy with two knights

>>51109879
I really like it but I hate how huge the new models are, it makes them difficult to use in games and very hard to transport.
I like to bring a list for all four gods and I bought a big case for all my models but it's at maximum capacity right now so there's no way I could bring this thing along.

Well, that and I'm really not feeling Tzeentch daemons anymore after the WoM update to pink horrors.

>>51109879
Not a daemon player/10
Aint giving GW muh shekels/10
birb/10

But whatever, good model for the Tzeentchfags

Way better than the Bloodthrister was. and they aren't going full retard and releasing Kairos as a separate kit like 2 weeks later as they did with Skarbrand

>>51109879
999/10

>>51109879
Pretty tzeentchian

>>51109902
Hope you bring alot, the onagers don't worry about snap firing to ground with twin linked capabilities and I could be dropping 15 plasma shots a turn let alone MEQ getting wiped with the acheron's flamer

>>51109879
I like it for a Lord of Change
But it seems too buff for Fateweaver... depends on the Fateweaver bits I suppose

I'm more curious if we're getting Three LOC "variations" like how the Bloodthristers got.

>>51109902
>Would drop pod grav on/10
>Lord of Change doesn't have an Armour Save
>Good luck Wounding on 6s
>tfw you still kill him with grav drop pod spam...

>>51109987
Ok?

Two pods of grav devs is the cost of one knight, and I'll wipe both of them turn one. Even better if I take Skyhammer, 40 shots of grav with assault marines locking up all your infantry.

>>51110032
>not following the reply chain

One cannot say is a bad model, but as other said, is very big and I cannot stand how GW produces bigger and bigger models.

Go to play somewhere with them is a pain.

>>51110003
>I'm more curious if we're getting Three LOC "variations" like how the Bloodthristers got.

Good point. i'm gonna say no because of their roles and the fact this kit makes the Loc and Fateweaver.

Bt's were.
>Generic classic
>Anti tank/LoW D-weapon
>Anti Character challenge guy

LoC doesn't fit any of these, Tzeentch wants to avoid melee. What could they go for?

>Shooting heavy (12 shot gun on his staff, maybe AP3 flamer, BS7 etc.)
>Sky terror (Skyfire gun, powerful vector strike, reroll grounding test. etc)
>Power psyker (Knows all change spells, rerolls perils, etc.)

>>51109965
>>51110074
Do we have any way of determining its sale besides the Brims on the base?

>>51110072
I derped and thought it was a comment on New LOC.

My b

>>51109879
5% Choc/10

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>>51109961
I agree. Just a difficult army to proxy if I need to.
What are your opinions on this?

I wonder what the range on Greyfax's Aura of Oppression power is. More stuff that shits on overwatch is always welcome.

What do people think of this? 2k in total for against ad-mech war bullshit.

Celestine

Canoness Veridyan

5 Battle Sisters w/ H. flamer
-TLMMolator w/ storm bolter

5 Battle Sisters w/ H. flamer
-TLMMolator w/ storm bolter

10 Battle Sisters w/ H. flamer & flamer
-Repressor

5 Dominions w/ 4 meltas & combi-melta
-TLMMoltaor w/ storm bolter & laud hailer

5 Dominions w/ 4 meltas & combi-melta
-TLMMoltaor w/ storm bolter & laud hailer

10 Seraphim w/ superior & 2 seraphim w/ 2 hand flamers

2 Exorcists w/ storm bolters

5 Retributors w/ 4 H. bolters & storm bolter

Knight Paladin

>>51110115
Probably Magnus size

>>51110142
12" most likely since all of Cawl's stuff also has 12".

>>51110051
Knights ignore immobilized so good luck rolling 6's?

>>51110115
Not exactly but we know how tall brimstone horrors are from the silver tower game so I'd confidently place it around the size of the new bloodthirster.

>>51110112
I like it. It could also be different variations know different Disciplines (though I like yours more. Lol )

>Generic knows Change and Divination (and Daemonology) harnessing Divination on 3+
>Trickery knows Change and Telepathy (and Daemonology) harnessing Telepathy on 3+
>Change knows Change and Daemonology. Harnessing Daemonology on 3+.

>>51110032
Using that much grav on him. Could we say you have some heavy feelings?

>>51110115
New Bloodthirster size.

>>51110115
I recall reading that it's Bloodthirsty size. I think it was Aria who made the claim

>>51110172
One UM devastator squad with 4x Grav Cannons will do ~4 hullpoints of damage to a knight before shields.

>>51110172
20 shots from a squad in Skyhammer

~12-15 hit

2-4 6's, reroll

End 4-6 6's on one knight

>>51109730
>>51109779
Looks like it's gonna be Spooky marines after all. I suppose I'll need to add in some allies for them to 'save' so I don't lose turn 1 though.

>>51110237

4+ invulnerable

>>51110142
>Aura of Oppression

What's it do?

>>51110279
Causes College students to protest.

>>51110279
No idea no one is leaking the bloody rules. Only the horrible lore that no one cares at this point. 40k stop making good or at least mediocre fluff around 4th-5th

>>51110322
I like her already.

>>51110279
>>51110323
Watch the video you uselss babies

Aura of Oppression – “Forces an enemy unit to take a pinning test. Even if passed, they can’t sweeping advance, can’t run, can’t make turbo boosts, can’t fire overwatch. Can augement to warp charge 3 versions that turns it into an AoE that effects all enemies with 12″ of her.”

>>51110279
Causes a pinning test, if they manage to avoid pinning they still can't run, sweep, turbo boost or overwatch for a game turn. Has a powered up version that applies the effect in an AOE.

How do you all feel about the Pink Horrors "Split" rule from Wrath of Magnus?

>>51110170
Hmm. Yeah, I guess it's probably just 12" Witchfire and 12" Nova respectively.

>>51110358

It's fun. Those kind of rules forge narratives.

>>51110358
Blatantly absurd

>>51110358
Very strong and annoying, but at least they FAQed it so it doesn't completely break the game.

>>51110338
Notes stolen from Dakka:
>- MC Condemnor Boltgun
>- MC Power Sword
>- Power Armor
>- Psyk-Out Grenades
>- Psyocculum
>- ML 2
>- Aura of Oppression (WC2?): Opponent takes a pinning test. Even if successful, can't sweep, run, can't turbo-boost, can't fire overwatch. Can be WC3 to affect all enemies in 12".
>- Indomitable Will: Counts as Higher Mastery when Denying the Witch

>Triumvirate
>- Any of the three can be taken with any Army of the Imperium
>- Can use all three Warlord Traits
>- Unit within range of 2 of 3, ignore pinning and stubborn
>- Unit within range of all 3, fearless.

>>51110172
If he takes an ultramarines skyhammer then it doesn't matter. One squad shooting at the facing with a shield will do about 2.7 hullpoints worth of damage.
If he's smart and parks a second squad behind the knight and one in the front, then the moment he puts down the pods the knight is already dead.

>>51110140
You can only take one (1) omnispex PER UNIT, you have 40 points tied up on illegal omnispex that could be spent elsewhere, like on omnispex for the arquebus units

>>51110388
Source link? Do they have anything on Celestine and Cawl?

>>51110415
DO YOU MOUTHBREATHERS NOT WATCH THE VIDEOS THAT GW POST?

>>51110140
icarus array is a mistake, and you might not realize it, but it is;

also you are taking only basic vanguard infantry? no dragoons, no other skitarii? no rangers?

You still have two knights, and clearly no idea how skitarii are played - i really really suggest you playtest skitarii and knights in vassal or tts, even solitaire

>>51110426
No.

>>51110338

WTB for footslog Orks. Just put it on the list next to "mob rule that isn't faction-invalidating garbage".

>>51110426
>says notes are stolen from Dakka
>HURR WATCH THE GW VIDEO
kys

>>51110388
>can't overwatch

Man, GW really wants me to play riptide wings.

>>51110426
i find them obnoxious, please tell us what happened anon

>>51110338
I want all the rules.

Points stats, etc I can see an add video you twat.

I wish to know if it's worth the buy, because for fluff it is not worth it.

>>51110444
yes but can i buy the inquisitor on her own?

>>51110426
>WATCH THE VIDEOS THAT GW POST?
Nope. I'm blind.

>>51110459
yes

>>51110441
>>51110445
>>51110448
>>51110464
GW has already gone through her and Techpriest BIGGUY4U's wargear and special rules via their YT channel

>>51110459
Seems like it.
Looks like the Tri get a 0-1 Detachment and an all 3 Formation.

Does the penetrating hit caused as the result of an unsaved 2-5 or a 6 on the destroyer table roll on the vehicle damage table as well? If so, does it keep the D ap, so it can potentially trigger off an It explodes! result and cause a max of 15 damage to a superheavy?

>>51110415
>Source
The YouTube video on the Warhammer community page via Dakka.

Cawl was yesterday, Celestine is likely tomorrow.

Cawl:
>Cawl has a Scryerskull, Arc Scourge, and Mechadendrite hive as wargear...that means nothing tho as it's just names.

>For special rules he has both canticles rules and FNP. He's stated to have some kind of "melta beam attack that can shear a vehicle in half" and that the canticle of the archmagos affects all imperium vehicles, so he's a useful ally, but its effects are increased if he's with other cult units.

>The canticles of the archmagos can add an invuln save, increase BS, and restore HP to vehicles in the area, among other things.

>Generally quite vague, but it seems that cawl was designed to work as an ally unit, which makes sense since he's in a formation with 2 different races already.

>>51110484
I want to read them and not hear the horny monkey talking! God fucking damn it. Can't even comment on their videos for fuck sake.

>>51110441
Notes are taken from the video by a poster on Dakka, I just reposted them.

Also different anons.

>>51110428
>the best AA gun in the game is a mistake

you what?

Although I agree he only needs 1 of them

>>51110500
Also mentioned that the Arc Scourge is basically a giant Arc Claw like the Battle Servitors have.

>>51110428
>only effective AA in his faction
>one of the best AA in the game
>mistake
U wot.

>no rangers?
That's pretty much the standard.

>>51110428
>icarus array is a mistake
How so? It's really my only dedicated anti air and having a few twin linked weapons having to snap fire ground units isn't a problem.
>no rangers
I have two squads of 5 rangers with arques
>no dragoons
Are they worth taking? I was under the assumption that if I'm taking any knights at all I want something to fill gaps in model count and it seems counter intuitive.
>still have two knights
It's better than one and not as taxing as three I suppose in terms of survival
I'll check those out
>>51110401
Thank you I'll mitigate those points elsewhere

>>51110338

>Forces Pinning
>another thing Marines are immune to for no reason

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>>51109730
>No Minotaurs
>No Carcharodons
>No Night Lords
Wew lad, I ain't wasting my time with telling you to use a sub-par chapter/warband

>>51110598
Marines aren't immune to Pinning.

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>>51110602
>>Minotaurs, Carcharodons, Night Lords

Found the fedora lord

>>51110619
>"And they shall know no fear..."

>>51110532
Ooo, thanks! I'm finally watching the videos now.

>>51110653
ATSKNF makes them immune to Fear, being Swept, and failing to regroup.
There is no excuse for not knowing this, as the rule is literally in the BRB.

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>>51110388
>Psyker that hates psykers and herself for being a psyker and goes around oppressing heretics

Inquisitor Greyfax is my kind of gal.

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>>51110653
BRUTHA I AM PINNED HERE

>>51110732
Ha ha! Hilarious meme my man!

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>>51109724
I split the Triumvirate of the Imperium bundle with other guys, I get Greyfax.
What should I do with her though?

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New player question:

I've been reading about and collecting 40k for a while now, watched plenty of games on YouTube and a few in person, but I've never actually played yet, so I'm trying to paint up 500 pts of my orks to get a feel for the game irl. Would a list roughly like this be acceptable?

>HQ:
Warboss on bike
>Troops
Gretchin x10
Gretchin x10
>Elites
Tankbustas x10 plus nob
>Fast Attack
Warbikers x5
>Heavy Support
Looted Wagon

I'm playing around with the remaining points to kit everything out, maybe give the boss a relic. Tankbustas go in the wagon, boss goes with the other bikes. I'm trying to keep the list fully mechanized, kind of a Fury Road-inspired roving gang of vehicles. I plan to add plenty of boyz in trucks at high point levels, but I have the tankbustas and looted rhino pretty much done right now.
>pic someday related

>>51110763

Remove her high heels.

>>51110774
Seems like a pretty okay list.

>>51110763
We're in the same position friendo. I'm going to wait until I get the kit and see all of her rules, then decide whether to use her as-is or convert her up to counts-as another Inquisitor.
>tfw Valeria is dead

>>51110763
Shove it up your ass?


What armies you have. Stupid twat

>>51110143

>10 Seraphim
>Doesn't give additional hand flamers

Drop the 5 extra Seraphim, add 5 bolters and a Simulacrum Imperialis to the Retributors.
Lose the Immolator Storm Bolters and get Dozer blades instead.

>>51110512
>I want to read them and not hear the horny monkey talking! God fucking damn it. Can't even comment on their videos for fuck sake.
And you're why no one can comment.

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I think this might be it? 1-2 knights doesn't allow me to reap the benefits of Baronial court which is amazing but something is still truly lacking here.

>>51110856
I call him monkey. Was he an ape? Sorry

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>>51109628
So I'm just getting back into 40k after dropping it during 5th edition, and I'm struggling a little with the concept of formations and detachments.

Are formations something you MUST have? Can you play without them? From what I can see, detachments are basically like the old force org charts.
But if you were to play, say, an Inquisition army, could you have your warband and then some other formations? In the absence of formations, how would a warband work in relation to detachments?

Might seem dumb, but I could really use a hand understanding this.

>>51110763
all of the models in that box are great in their own right and would be good for conversion material if nothing else, especially for people who want to make some female inquisitors.

>>51110967
>desu I feel Celestine and her crew are the worst models in the box

Not because they're bad, but really can't be converted to anything other than themselves

>Daemon Prince of Slaanesh using Celestine's model? Yay or nay.

>>51110143
Drop the Storm Bolter in the Immolator gets Dozer Blade.

Seraphim squad has 2 extra Seraphim. 8 is the correct number for deepstriking Seraphim plus Celestine. Mostly for footprint. The superior is there to take challenges for Celestine, so never give her gear.

If you are not using the Repressor with the Domion then give it to a full squad of Retribution squad. All the HB can shoot out of the box.

The BSS Immolator should have MM the Dominion should have HF but that is up to tastes. In the Dominions is mainly there to burn dudes popping from transports blown by the Dominion squad.

>>51110947
Detachments are what get you Battle Forged. Warlord table, obsec
It's the only way to have a legal standard army since unbound (any model game type) is only played casually.

Formations are optional add ons that you take in addition to your detachment. Any amount can be taken but cannot be doubled, akin to named IC's. They act as allies in that way but still receive the benefits from your combined arms detachment. You can have formations and allies in the same force.

>>51111006
>time for a sororitas themed slaanesh army

>>51111006
I've actually been considering it myself. Might want a helmeted head, but it would not be too hard to make suitably Slaaneshi.

>>51111050
You want one of the Sisters of Slaughter heads.

>>51109947
It's like you really know nothing about Japanese design. No wonder you cucks associate all tau with weeaboo trash

>>51111006
Go for it, your models. Bonus point if you give Celestine a long tongue that makes a heart shape.

>>51111020
That clears it up some, thanks.

With the Inquisitorial Henchmen warband, it says you can take one acolyte unit. How many acolytes does that comprise of? Assuming that doesn't sound like a stupid question.

>>51111106
That is known just by reading. Read the Acolyte squad then ask.

>>51111006
Celestine's friends can be used as Seraphim Superiors at least.

>>51111020
>Any amount can be taken but cannot be doubled

what?

>>51111148
He's saying you can't have 2 of the same formation.

>>51111148
>You cannot take 2 of X, but you can take X, Y, Z, AA, AB etc

>>51111020
>Any amount can be taken but cannot be doubled
But that's wrong

>>51111020
>Detachments are what get you Battle Forged. Warlord table, obsec

You can have an unbound list and get a warlord trait and obsec, an all Sternguard force with Kantor for example.

>They act as allies in that way but still receive the benefits from your combined arms detachment.

No they dont, they're two separate detachments that have their own benefits.

Is there a list on when new models are to be released?

I want to get some Dark Eldar Grotesques but god if having the model be the same for all of them is just frustrating. It's also moved to online store only so Im assuming thats because they have something in the works?

>>51111106
To clarify, I don't actually have the codex. I'm reading from the 1d4chan tactics article.

>>51111196
You can get in the OP honey.

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Thoughts on this? Is the second heldrake necessary? The rhinos points were applied to the total, just wanted to shop the picture there without the stats.

>>51111162
>>51111169
First time I've heard of that

>>51110878

two more knights ofc

>>51111213
thats because its wrong. A lot of that original post is wrong. you should ignore it

>>51111213
Because it's wrong.

>>51111069
>>51111050
Saw both her arms off at the elbow, put crab claws on them and give her a wing backpack from the possessed, job done.

>>51110878
You can only have 2 special weapons in a 5 man squad, so you have to choose between Plasma and Arc.

Also, don't put Plasma and the Omnispex on the same guy, he will die shooting the caliver.

Any new regarding the FoC formations? Did we get fucked in a must have Scion, Skitarii, SoB and BT?

>>51111256
Thanks alot for the help

>>51111264
Nothing so far. All the usual reviewers are dead silent on this one.

>muh 5th/4th edition fluff!
Can you autists give a single example of 'good 40k fluff' or is this just a meme?

>>51110630
Playing a T4 army? Yup, fedora wearing edgelord confirmed.

>>51110878
Why mix the Arc rifles and Calivers?

Specialize negro

>>51111352
I'm unfamiliar with skitarii obviously so I mistook the arcs for regular weapon upgrades taken freely. Not sure where I got the idea, hasn't been on any of the past variants of the list.
>>51111214
You can't solve all your problems by throwing knights at them anon

>>51110878
The codices are right there in the OP, why do you refuse to read a codex for a faction you want to play? You can only have two specials in a 5-man

>>51111320

Most IG named characters have interesting backgrounds.
Col. Straken and Sgt. Bastionne to name a few.

>>51111320
It is 3rd and 4th. 5th gave us the Carnifex incident

The old codex are in the OP read them and see for yourself. It's not good, but is not 6th or 7th bad

>>51111409
Gaunt came to mind

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>>51111437
Should i drop the 3rd min squad of tacs in a rhino for something else in my list?

Is there any way to run a fun reasonably good Nid list without running a Flying Circus?

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>>51111481
You want to do WOT

>>51111481
Lictor-Mawloc Shame list?

>>51111512
I'm more a fan of the "carpet of bugs" style Nids but I doubt those are playable so was considering something else with them.

>>51111516
Oh? I don't know that one.

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>>51111481
Define "Fun"

>>51111551
Try looking for Mawloc Shame or Lictor Shame.

All about precision Mawloc strikes thanks to Lictors. Won a couple Tournaments a couple years ago (still in 7e and 6e Tyranid codex)

>>51111568
Can win in a semi-casual environment at least some of the time?

That or the joyful glee of burying your opponent in more models than they can actually kill in a single game.

>>51111614
Feel free to take my list for the first option
For the second, see what formations Nids can take and then spam the Swarm/Respawning ones

>>51111481
>>51111551
>>51111614
Play Kill Team. Nid swarms are high-tier there.

Here's a bullshit rumor that isn't even remotely going to be true

1. Fall of Cadia is the prelude to what will be a global campaign over the summer - look for big build up after Tzeentch and then the campaign should start in ~4 months. It sounds like it's going to be global, he wasn't sure what format it would take (e.g., if it would be global with implications like the last black crusade campaign)

2. Lord Guilliman...will be making his arrival (return?) to the 40k sometime before that campaign kicks off. Didn't sound like there would be more primarchs than Guilliman and Magnus heading in but 4 months is a long time.

>>51111646
>campaign should start in ~4 months
Thanks god, i'll have my Necrons ready by then

>>51111193
GW doesn't announce their stuff more than a month in advance

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What is the modern equivalent of a green flock+goblin green base.

And is it wrong to do green flock bases in 2017?

>>51111693
Better than that period of time where they announced nothing at all.

>>51110051
"If you just happened to meet this one set of circumstances, or if I list tailored against you, your list would suck"
- Anon

Please don't bother giving advice if you continue to deliver it so poorly.

>>51111764
>And is it wrong to do green flock bases in 2017?

You will be arrested by the GW police if you do such a thing stupid idiot

>>51109879
I seems too big with all that extra space they could have atleast gave it some extra wings or had it smaller, now the noobs will complain about seeing it even though it is by no means on the power level as other models that size.

>>51111764
Don't do it. Just don't. At the very most use patches of grass flock but most preferably dead grass flock. Army Painter sells flora and patches of dead reeds and grass that are very easy to apply.

>>51111770
>>51111770
To be fair we had rumors of GSC, Deathwatch, and Montka in May 2015.

>>51111815
This isn't a matter of ease or difficulty.

>>51111838
True. I meant more when Kirby was heading things and it was easier to get rumors out of North Korea than GW.

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Who needs bodies as Nids?
:^)

>>51111864
It's a matter of looking better than having your chaos space marines frolicking in a lush, grassy meadow while somehow making whatever paintjob you apply magically look worse in contrast.

>>51111904
>having your chaos space marines frolicking in a lush, grassy meadow
what if I want this?

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>tfw you want to run an army of glorious T3 that don't wear t-shirts for armour.

>>51111865
Wasnt the guy writing about Deathwatch, plastic HH and GSC roasted on Warseer as fake? Silver-something incident, wasnt it?

>>51111926
Internet likes to do shit like that a lot. "It's not coming out tomorrow? FAKE AND GAY!"

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>>51111919
Then I'd definitely suggest Army Painter

>>51111926
>>51111947

You chucklefucks do it here too. Often demanding photos of a source's employee badge and the like

>>51111764
I'm thinking of doing green flock bases on my Crimson Fists army for that classic oldhammer feel

Is there any reason to run an Inqusitor army from either of the Inquisitor books instead of just allying one to the Scions if you want to Carapace Armour and Hotshot Lasguns?

Which is the manliest traitor legion?

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>>51111925
Come Home Aspect Man.

You're only one codex away from an army of entirely competent T3, 4+ save models.

Is there any chance in hell that the Formations not yet leaked will be small enough to allow for effective combining of the entire Triumvirate as well as BTs and to an extend SoB in a 1850 point range?

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>>51110630
I would look better than you in a Fedora wearing contest, all the while beating you with my fluffy non-cheesy Minotaurs, and being a good sport about it the whole time.

>>51112038
WHO THE FUCK KNOWS!

LEAKS! MY KINGDOM FOR THEM LEAKS!.

>>51111968
And that's why they're chucklefucks.

>>51111980
I think for it to not be awful you have to paint and drybrush the flock with the base color being the same color as the base coat on the flock.

Maybe there's an ancient citadel basing guide we can reference.

>>51112017
I'm not gay enough to play elves though.

>>51112006
Depends on what you mean by manly, but probably Iron Warriors.

>>51112063
I remember that guy was slammed hard by Warseer mods, accused of fabricating rumours and later he confessed he did it.

Altough, from what I remember, his predictions were well... mostly accurate.

>>51112102
Broken clock?

>>51112102
>accused of fabricating rumours and later he confessed he did it.

Oh I remember now, he didnt exactly confess to it but rather just caved in and said he fabricated them to appease the faggots, at least that was the impression he gave me at the time.

>>51112121
Vanus Assasin hit?

>>51112142
Borrowed the Necron Orrery?

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How are the FW Skitarii stuff?

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>>51109730

Create your own.

>>51112140
Or this. I aint donning the rubber suit and going to investigate the history of Warseer.

But in the grim darkness of Blood Angels Bloodtalon Blooddreads and Wolf Lords Riding Thunder Wolwes with Wolf Claws, the return of GSC, or arrival of Alien Hunters and plastic Horus Heresy sounded like a science fiction, or madness.

>>51112097
>depends on what you mean by manly
I meant like less whiny and more getting shit done kind of attitude.

>probably Iron Warriors
Why?

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New player here, I got into 40k thanks to fluff and I have a smallish-sized dark eldar army that I've been having fun with.

I'm currently sitting at 1-1-0 with 650 point games(lost my first game to guardsman because they deployed a leman russ, and beat some nids despite swapping out almost all my weapons with anti-vehicle because I didn't know what half the keywords meant), and I'm just looking for input on playing tips for DE.

I currently have:
1 archon
1 Haemonculus
1 Hellion squad of 5
1 reaver squad of 3
4 squads of warriors(20 units total)
2 Venoms
1 Talos
1 Raider
1 Ravager

I discovered how much fun splinter cannons are in my nid game, but what else should I be looking out for and especially trying to pick up/do? And do you have any tips for what I should actually do when kitting out my units?

>>51112195
Also, he predicted Daemon Primarchs.

>>51112185
Peltasts are some really fucking good shit.

The other guys are fun but pretty hit-or-miss.

>>51112185
They are not IF or Nurgle.

>>51112185
>Skitarii
>posts HH Imperial Fists
Wot.

Talk me out of collecting Custodes, I don't even play regular marines

>>51111074
I know quite a bit actually. A common trait they have is overdesigned trash that peasants like you eat up.

>>51112280
Please give examples, because you've made a huge generalizing claim about something without providing anything at all to back it up.

>>51112275
They don't have a lot of options unless you go full FW.

>>51112006
>>51112201
World Eaters, Black Legion, Iron Warriors. World Eaters are devoted entirely to the god of RIP AND TEAR. Iron Warriors don't give a fuck about your faggot gods and just want to lay sieges and fuck bitches. Black Legion, despite all the memery, are more focused on the Long War.

But let's face it, even the prissiest Emperor's Children fairy is manlier than anyone on /tg/, so take your pick.

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>>51112301
Someone's defensive. I don't care that you like bad designs, but it seems you're insecure about it.

>>51112326
From what I see, looks like a pretty solid 8 but the silver of the backpacks kind of dulls it

>>51112326
888/888 m8

>>51112201

Iron Warriors is literally the suck it up and get it done even though nobody appreciates you legion.

>>51112188
Might end up doing that anyway, though I also did want suggestions on Chapter Tactics.

I think I may end up going for Templars with a few LotD to warp in and support them. Only trouble now is getting enough Neophytes to Black Tide properly.

>>51112363
Khorne only scores on a scale of 1-8 so that's perfect.

>>51112319

I know, it's a FW Custodes army with grav mobiles and big Contemptors that's tempting me.

>>51112326
So, assuming they're yours, is that just sticking the gun arms and the backpack on Blood Warriors?
If so i'm tempted

>>51112372
They begrudge that role though, so they get no credit for being that way.

Source: HH books
>Inb4 that's BL, it's not canon
It's fun to pretend.

>>51112396
Start harvesting organs to afford that army then.

>>51112326
The boots look silly, but otherwise pretty good.

>>51112330
I'm not even the anon you were arguing with. I just think it's completely absurd that you've just asserted that Japanese design in general is full of over-designed trash without any kind of specificity or examples.

You're not even trying to argue your position at all, you're just asserting that it's true even though you could trivially just cherry pick some of the most egregious examples you can find and be significantly more convincing.

>>51112416
The other angle was doing them alot better, they look more along the line of a 6

>>51112280
>>i knowe ull aboot japnsee deisgns gais!
>>doesn't prove it

You're a credible source, I'll give you that.

>>51112372
>beta cucks willing to do shit work and not take credit instead of standing up for themselves and making those Imperial Army days do the garrisoning so the Iron Warriors can do some proper Astartes work
>going full reeee just because a Primarch dared suppose he could defend well against another Primarch
>Perturbed One literally plays with soldier figurines

top jej

>>51112442

Not the guy you're arguing with but you do know Japan is synonymous with the 'too many belts' school of design, right?

>>51111764

Modern equivalent to the green rim is steel legion drab. There isn't a direct equivalent to the neon green flock but grey urban rubble and generic brown battlefield are common enough.

>>51112442
I don't have to give any examples other than "take a look at anything they produce".

>>51112417
Well two of them at least are the DV chosen with head swap/Khorne horns added

>>51112426

Well, that's probably not the problem?

I mean, how many custodians and big toys can you realistically fit into 2000 points? It probably comes out cheaper than most 40k armies from tiny model count.

I just don't want to whim-start yet another fuckin' army.

>>51111792
Ultras GRAVhammer is a pretty standard tourney take.

>>51112520
That other guy clearly isn't going to tournaments. At least not until he figures his shit out and plays extensively.

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Thats all

BftBG

>>51111963
>Lush, green lively base.
One of these days, I'll learn how to base properly.

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>>51112497
Okay, here is a Nissan Altima. I'm not really sure how this is supporting your argument.

>>51112213
Splinter racks on the raider increases their killyness dramatically.

Also remember that yes, you can jink and still have the crew shoot at full BS. They re-FAQed this.

>>51112396

You're not going to have a choice once FW releases their Custodes upgrade kits. I don't even like Skitarii and I'm about to buy the FW upgraded ones

>>51112578
>Thinking it's not overdesigned
No, wonder you won't stop talking.

>>51112497
>>du ma werk fore mee gais :DDDD

A master of rhetoric.

>>51109947
Tbh if there is one model that should be overdesigned and all over the place, it's the motherfucking lord of change. That's like the core function of its whole being.

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I want to get into WH and have settled on Skitarii as my first faction. However, I've noticed there's a distinct lack of vehicles - Space Marines seem to have drop pods, tanks, aircraft, walkers, and everything under the sun, while Skitarii have the Dunecrawler, Dragoon/Ironstrider, and the flesh-tank whose name I forget at the moment.

Is that really all that there is? Am I missing something? Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding how vehicles work? I'm really hoping it's the third and I can use Imperial/etc. vehicles without having to play a different faction.

>>51112468
>>51112419
>>51112372
Iron Warriors sound cucked, so either World Eaters or Black Legion.

Which one's the manliest?

>>51112642
You could always ally them in.

>>51112646

WE obviously

>>51112642

Skitarii do indeed lack severely in transport vehicles

>>51112646
All Chaos marines are cucked, though I'd say World Eaters are the least cucked.

>>51112578
seatbelts are unnecessary detailing

too many belts

checkmate

>>51112076
Temp's are pretty decent. You could feasibly run them up to 1500 if you play them right. I'd recommend using the Command Squad go assassinate hecay vehicles with 4 meltaguns

>>51112600
Should I try to max out splinter cannons when I can? And if I do, would it be better to field a squad of 10 warriors to give them a special weapon, or just upgrade a squad of 5 to trueborn to get it?

>>51112605
>Nissan cars
>overdesigned
They're barely designed at all.

>>51112700

Rob Liefeld invented belts and pouches, not the Japanese.

>>51112646
World Eaters are all about spilling blood and raping cheating faggot witches with chainaxes. They were given rules which rock too. Skulls for the Skull Throne bruv.

>>51112549
To be completely honest I haven't played many games. The games I have played were using models on loan. I've been painting these things for maybe 15 years and recently decided to pick up the game. It's odd because I have friends that have around the whole time playing games but it never grabbed me. They're going to be "training" me so to speak, they place top 5 at most tourneys like 11th Company, Ard boyz etc so I think I have a good environment to learn.

>>51112201
Death Guard may be what you're looking for, especially their pre-Nurgle days, as they are the "methodically advance under any circumstances" legion

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>>51112700
Now do this one.

>>51112642
You can always play Mech Guard w/ Skitarii Maniple

>>51112646
>cucked

Fuck off

>>51112771
>has a stand

Get that JoJo shit out of here

>>51112646
>cucked

So they're perfect for your candy ass.

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>>51112672
>>51112694
Damn. I would think that being the biggest weapons/armor producer for the Imperium they'd have all sorts of neat shit I could mess around with. I'm pretty disappointed.

From what I'm reading about allies, it's possible but point-intensive? I know literally almost nothing about the rules.

>>51112783
Will look into it, any resources appreciated.

>>51112746
>own Primarch got cucked by closest bodyguard and first Captain who was everything Mort hated- a xeno-tainted witch- and proceeded to lounge on planet made in image of homeworld, not doing shit

>>51112808
1d4chan tactics and the list builder in the OP

How many stealth Havoks is too many for my NL force?

>>51112808
It can be, depending on how you ally, though oftentimes isn't. For example, there are plenty of formations that are just X Tanks. You could plop several Land Raiders or Leman Russes in to a force without much issue.

Superheavies might be a bit more tricky, aside from Knights. A Baneblade might require some basic guard troops as a tax, unless there's a formation I'm forgetting.

>>51112808
skitarii and admech should be getting new vehicles soon. If not in a new combined codex then in Imperial Armor 14 that should release in a few months.

Right now they're basically half a codex

>>51112860
Any more than two teams I'd say. At most, one with special weapons and one with heavy. Generally you want to be more mobile.

>>51112721
so many muscles that muscles lost their meaning

>>51112795
lol ur clearly BLACKED by nu-males who cuckquean their misandry in THE SWAMP like a shill for the lieberals and sanddiggers so Pay for The Wall you statist!

>>51112824
He asked about the legion laddie, not the primarch.
>implying any traitor primarch wasn't cucked

More tweaks to my Word Bearers list. They're fun to play as, surprisingly fast, and will smash stuff up.

Note: The Cultists are Fearless. The Lord joins one unit and the Sorcerer joins another unit. This gives the Cultists Objective Secured (since all Warband models have it) and Crusader so they can push for said objectives faster. I have enough Warp Charge to reliably get two summons each turn; depending on the opponent, I'll either do two Pink Horror summons, or two melee summons (Flesh Hounds, or any non-Bloodcrusher Incursion unit). My Sorcerer rolls Plague Wind, I'll roll for a second Nurgle Power; otherwise he will take Psychic Shriek. He takes Summoning in either case.

++Word Bearers Grand Host [Primary]++
+Chaos Warband+
Sorcerer of Nurgle on Palanquin w/ Force Axe,ML3 - 180 [Warlord]

Tzeentch Lord on Disc w/ Lightning Claw/Powerfist, Sigil of Corruption, Scrolls of Magnus and Spell Familiar - 235

5CSM, 4 extraCCW, Meltagun and Combi-Melta Champ - 103
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5CSM, 4 extraCCW, Meltagun and Combi-Melta Champ - 103
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40

3 Terminators w/ Combi-Plasma and Power Axe - 112
3 Terminators w/ Combi-Plasma and Power Axe - 112

3 Bikers of Slaanesh w/ 2 Bike-Mounted Meltaguns and Champ w/ Lance - 111
3 Bikers of Slaanesh w/ 2 Bike-Mounted Meltaguns and Champ w/ Lance - 111

Helbrute w/ Multimelta - 100

+Spawn+
2 Spawn - 60
2 Spawn - 60

++Helcult++
Helbrute w/ Multimelta - 100
21 Cultists, 2 Flamers - 104
21 Cultists, 2 Flamers - 104

++DaemonCAD++
Herald of Tzeentch w/ML2 Paradox, and Exalted Locus of Conjuration - 120
11 Blue Horrors - 55

Total: 1850

>>51112946
what did he mean by this

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>>51112956
Pic very fucking related.

>>51112326
Would bathe in blood with/10 (no homo)

>>51112979
We're getting cucked by black men in a capitalist shit swamp that covets both left wing and middle easterners. We're building a wall apparently.

>>51113065
I'm a black man so speak for yourself.

>>51113094
Go away Marq

>>51113094

>>51113065 was translating what >>51112946 was saying, not agreeing with it

i think

>>51113094
The only black 40k player I've seen (in a video batrep) played Black Templars. I chuckled.

>>51113023
Pic also related, I'm reading "Betrayer" and I'm quite enjoying the Word Bearers.

And of course the World Eaters too, but maybe even more the first ones. Is the "First heretic" book good? I'd like to read more about them.

>>51113094
>implying you aren't getting cucked by other, blacker men

>>51113023
erebus/kor phaeron/chaos itself dicked with him, and he is completely irrelevant 10,000 years later while other individuals have the attention of the gods

The only traitor primarch who sort of got what he wanted was curze. Who's dead. Because he wanted to die.

>>51113178
A Bigger, Blacker Legion

>>51113133
Okay, I had kind of assumed it was him rephrasing into intelligible words, rather than someone translating for him.

>>51113171
I've been playing tyranids and only tyranids since third edition.

>>51113203
Nuh uh! Meditating in a box forever is totally gonna destroy the Corpse Emperor, you'll see!

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>>51113172
First Heretic is ELITE

I am so torn between being a loyalist and playing Word Bearers based on that book. Argel Tal did NOTHING wrong.

>>51112807
>BLACKED enthusiast mad after reading his trigger-word
I can never stop laughing at you fags.

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>>51109628

My Blood Angel successor force. I honestly doubt this is big enough to play in a modern game of 40k but it was enough back in the day.

Is it true we no longer get assault as troops? Bleh

(I do plan on stripping them and repainting because god this painjob is terribad. Can anyone recommend a good stripper for multiple layers of paint? My teenage self could not decide on a chapter)

>>51113203
He got what he wanted. Revenge for Monarchia, the Truth and Gods whom he can follow and who would revard him. Considering that he was the weakest Primarch and his Legion got fucked over by the Emprah and the Ultras, he really turned the tables and set the whole Galaxy in flames. That's not what I'd call cucked.

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>>51113279

I'm so bad at painting lmao.

>>51113203
>The only traitor primarch who sort of got what he wanted was curze

But Lorgar got everyone to acknowledge and worship his daddy as a god, like he (originally) wanted.

>>51113271
>>>/v/

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>>51113305

Wake me up (can't wake up)

>>51113216
Poor Little Commissar

>>51113282
>he really
Not really. Kor phaeron was the one who introduced him to chaos and erebus was the one doing all the legwork in corrupting horus. Lorgar was just led around by the nose.

The word bearers are quite similar to the death guard in that the leaders of the legion (kor phaeron/erebus, typhon) were the ones responsible for damning them to chaos, rather than their primarchs.

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>>51113305
>>51113279

Lads, am I a loyalist or am I a heretic?

I think the Emperor was a dick and totally fucked up by trying to turn the universe into a fedora tipper's wet dream of athiesm, but in the 40k setting I see his worship as a much preferable alternative to Chaos. I'm also super into the space Catholicism motif.

>>51113316
But what about Angron? He got vengeance for Nuceria and is free of the Nails.

>>51112899

What's wrong with 2 teams of ACs?

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>>51113279
Get it from Walmart.
USE
GLOVES

>>51113430
You're a sperg

>>51113446
Also a decent option. I just enjoy Havocs as a cheap source of Melta

>>51113271
see >>51112946

>>51112494
>>51112551

>Not even patterns of power armor anymore.
>Just pieces of metal painted in blood and adhere to them via pure rage similar to magnetism.
>Armor damaged? Hate your armor back together.

>>51113477
Not an argument

>>51113279
Be aware that stripping plastic degrades the material somewhat, and repeated stripping can warp the model or damage its' surface finish.

>>51113473

I'll have melta raptors for that, and either termicide or chosen in the elites for the Warband.

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>>51113430
Loyalist. Catholic Space Nazis ftw.

>>51113513
KEKS are mad that BLACKED enthusiasm includes MISANDRY for cultural MARXISM and the welfare queens are GERRYMANDERING districts for EVER CLOSER UNION and the IMF

so watch out Federal Reservists we're coming to GET EM OUT OF JEER!

>>51113470
I mean yeah sort of, but if I spend this.much money in plastic crack I better make sure I pick the lads with the right motivations
>that's why I picked orks

>>51113561
I like mixing /pol/ and /tg/ together but you should just kill yourself.

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>friend loves Death Guard
>keeps getting whupped up by me every game
>new rules come out beefing up Death Guard
>he finally wins one and is doing much better and only cheese beats him
I haven't started using grav weapons against him and losing is a nice change of pace.. but should I feel bad for using Telepathy and a Furioso dreadnought against his units that virtually have no way of beating something with a 13 AV?

>>51113513
Neither was your post, stop getting so triggered by blacks and grow a fucking pair of balls instead of spouting retarded memes for the sake of it you cuckold fuck.

>>51113584

I am one thousand percent sure that the anon you quoted is taking the piss out of /pol/ and friends, not being one of them.

>>51113616
That statue holy fuck

>>51113449

I've heard that really burns lol, I plan on using gloves yeah. Would simple green work just as well? Also how long would I leave them in there for?

>>51113411
Thank high school me. Fml.

>>51113677

I hide my highschool era units in a box in my basement. They do not come out.

>>51113270
>Argel Tal
YEAH
Is pretty much because of him I want to read that book lol

>>51113657
Then he is doing that in the most unfunny way possible, so my recommendation for him still stands.

>>51112416
Regular imperial special weapon let them down.

>>51113669

fight for sheev

>>51113616
You should, so he could improve. DG has an easy way of getting mass Meltas, so he has a chance of beating AV 13 and Spawns are a good counter to Grav spam.

>>51112741
Yeah that sounds good, just don't become a waacfag poster on here pls

>>51113711
Get that other guy in here, the Lord High Master Of All Humor has spoken and is not to be defied.

Chop chop, peasant!

>>51113270

Well, he kills chapter serfs and eats hands, that's two things.

So what does the laughing god do?

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>>51113616

>skaven

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51113811
He laughs.

>>51113703

I've got no other choice mang. Money lol. Wanna learn to strip anyways. I'm sure I can pull off a much better paint job now.

Not sure about Chapter, though. (idk if Blood Angels are okay in this ed or not) though I may just straight up do Blackshields.

>>51113806
And you don't?

What are you, some kind of loyalist?

>>51113806
>implying chapter serfs are people
>implying hands aren't a delicacy
Like I said, nothing wrong.

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>>51113669
The Emperor was watching over us
(Gave my friend the idea to paint it grey and make it a stone statue)

>>51113864
i dont know what i expected.

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Although I would have done much better this game had I not failed virtually every armor save and FNP while also missing 4/5 of every shot and failing to wound with every hit. Like... the dice were WAY against me that day.

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Could this list work and get a good ranking in a tourny environment? Alternatively I'm thinking about dropping the DP and getting another Sorcerer for the Cabal and another unit of Melta Chosen in a Rhino.

>>51113951
We really don't need photos of your grey legions and lego terrain.
You can just say instead "Death Guard are much better now!!!", and then that is all.

>>51113616

You should feel bad for having more unpainted models.

>>51113951
>grey death company
You dishonor the memory of sanguinius

>>51114085

I'll take lego terrain and grey (not tau) legions over 'KEK'D' and the rest of the shit going on here right now