MTG Banned & Restricted

First for no changes across the board.

>>51108986
I feel like one of the important Dredge cards is gonna be banned from modern. Probably Life From the Loam or Golgari Grave Troll, but it could be Prized Amalgam instead.

Still holding out hope that they finally ban Glisner Elf, Blighted Agent, and Inkmoth Nexus

>>51109165
Not Inkmoth. I like my alt-wins in Affinity.

I feel like something big is going to happen. This update is a week earlier than normal, and they even posted a tweet as a sort of buildup.

Will this be another reminder that I wasted $10 for a playset of bbe?

inb4 they randomly ban saheeli or cat because they fear splinter twin vol.2

>Commander Bans:
Deadeye Navigator
Doubling Season
Leovold

>>51109275
without a doubt. They're never making that thing legal while Jund is a thing

>>51109294
Forgot Deepglow Skate

>>51109163
Most probable
>>51109165
Didn't GGT just get unbanned? Not that I disagree

I'm not holding my breath, but I'd like to see unbans across the board: BBE might as well be unbanned in this cancerous Modern format, along with JTMS and Mental Misstep. Make Control Playable Again

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Ban- tarmagoofs because I bought mine
Unban- Splinter Twin because I sold mine

>>51109330
Eh, Deepglow Skate is fine, but degenerate. Without doubling season or deadeye I think it's nerfed sufficiently.

Also, when will people ever play Thief of Blood? That shit is like a hard counter for this kind of nonsense.

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I sounds ike something big. Hopefully it will be something exciting.

Just imagine

A standard ban

>>51109345
GGT did get unbanned. Then SOI happened and Dredge got Prized Amalgan (and to a lesser extent Haunted Dead) and became the top deck in the meta

>>51109360
>playing hate in EDH
you sound like the kind of faggot who puts Bojuka Bog in every deck

>>51109400
not that guy but when your deck consists of mimeoplasm, kaalia reanimator, and karador you tend to pack some graveyard hate

hell one of our players even plays mainboard rest in peace

>>51109452
>hell one of our players even plays mainboard rest in peace
It's a trap. He's slow-rolling a Helm of Obedience.

>>51109400
>you sound like the kind of faggot who puts Bojuka Bog in every deck
You mean Tormods? But yes, that's how I build decks. Not building for commonly encountered decks is the biggest sign of a scrub. For example, I have an extremely stompy Uril deck designed specifically to coast through counterspells and smack blue players in the nuts, but, I don't bring it out very often because it's not geared to a multiplayer environment.

>>51109495
Yeah, but this is Commander we're talking about. It's significantly more fun when everyone has a chance to play with their janky cards without being hated out.

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>yfw they ban Fatal Push and Electrostatic Pummeler before they're even released

>>51109470
how did you know

>>51109291
Some new ridicilous combo in Standard?
Fill me in, havent played in a while.

>>51109515
You're missing the point.

It's significantly more fun when everyone has a chance to play with their janky cards and don't have to deal with bullshit telegraphed pseudo-spike commanders that fold easily to a few cards.

>>51109163
>First for no changes across the board.

The B&R schedule is one week after Prerelease.

This is an emergency ban announcement two weeks early. They are definitely changing the B&R list.

My guess is Marvel and Guardian, "Standard is not a Turn 4 format".

>>51109294
>>51109330

Wizards don't control Commander bans

>>51109531
Modern.
>You get two coppies of Saheeli in your graveyard and play Sun Titan.
>You -2 the Saheeli targeting the Sun Titan
>You target the other Saheeli with the token copy of Sun Titan
>Legend rule applies, sacrifice the Saheeli that's already created a token
>Repeat from step two
You end up with infinite Sun Titans with haste and win from there.

Interestingly enough, the deck has actually been doing the best in Vintage, where Oath of Druids and Forbidden Orchard can be used to cheat in your Sun Titan early

>>51109626

Everything does well in Vintage.

There's a million cards and about a dozen players, everything eventually top 8s a tournament regardless of how bad it is.

>>51109531
>>51109626

There's one in standard with the new set. There's a 1/4 cat that blinks another permanent when it ETB's. Saheeli copies it, the token bounces Saheeli and you -2 her again to make another token, and such on.

It's fragile af, but it is 2 cards.

Narcomoeba ban for dredge and become immense ban for infect. Rest of the format is healthy. Ban all reserve list cards in legacy just to shake it up.

Hope:
Everything from Dredge + Mutagenic Growth or Become Immense banned, Twin unbanned.

Counterbalance banned.

Realistically:
Something Standard-related that no reasonable person cares about, no other changes.

>>51108986
Unban stoneforge mystic please wizards. ;_; I just bought a playset for legacy and playing with this card is so much fun that I don't want to play anything else anymore.

It's GOT to be a pre-release Standard ban, or a Frontier announcement, right?

There's NO reason to issue a surprise announcement otherwise, B&R update is next week.

>>51109770

MaRo has stated that an eternal format between modern and standard should probably be post-tarkir, because they don't want fetches. I can't imagine them releasing that format with so few cards in that pool, which would basically be standard+origins until sept.

It does seem a little funky that we're getting the ban early though.

>>51109810
They could just ban fetches. A friend of mine came up with postmodern (RTR-> fetches and Rally banned) ,it's pretty good and not just 4c goodstuff.

>>51109837
>it's pretty good and not just 4c goodstuff.

wow, great thing that you and your friend have done all the testing necessary to equal the thousands of man hours professional players will put into optimizing the format!

>>51109770
>Frontier
Thanks for the laugh friend.

>>51109837

Then it becomes CoCo the format.

>>51109856
The card pool isn't all that big and we've had about 10 players at it for the past months, you just take every past Standard deck and make the strictly better upgrades and mash the individually best cards in colors xyz to midrange piles and that's basically it.

>>51109881
It's not, for example UW control and BR monoremovalandgoblindankdwellers.dec shits all over that.

>>51109837
If Frontier wants to be a thing it needs to ban CoCo, fetches and Rhino. Everything else is fair game IMO. Rally with a less consistent manabase is fine I think.

>>51109903

No. Add green to UW and you have bant CoCo. Grixis and whatever shit you just said doesn't shit on it. You either line up really well because you have the nuts, or you just get shit on, which is the specific likelihood. You're bringing spell queller to a fight that can summon reflector mage at instant speed.

>>51109522
electro has been out for months

>>51109943
CoCo and 3 drops just isn't that great vs Verdict+counters, Dispel off the side and Sphinx's Rev for 5+.

>>51109959

Negate. You can run it in CoCo. Queller.

>>51109989
Do you know what Supreme Verdict reads?

>Standard

Banned: Felidar Guardian

>Modern

Unbanned: None

Banned: Ancient Stirrings, Golgari Grave Troll, Gitaxian Probe

>>51110024
>Ancient Stirrings
I get the whole "it's strictly better than Ponder and Preordain in the decks that run it" but just lol.

>>51109989
Queller eats Verdict. Dispel was in standard at the same time of CoCo iirc too, didn't change much.

>>51110024
Why probe?

>>51109770
>frontier
>my sides

Someone please reply to this post when it's happening so I can stop refreshing and get some work done

>>51109275
How is that wasted?

The risk vs. reward ratio is fucking staggering for that outcome. Or are you so fucking poor that $10 is actually a big sum for you?

>>51110037
It takes away some of the inevitability from decks like Eldrazi and Tron. It also matches the precedent set by banning cards like Ponder and Preordain.

>>51110083
Because free spells that fill the graveyard are busted.

>>51110093

1100 PST use a fucking clock

>>51110024
The only reason guardian gets banned is if Wizards completely missed the combo with Saheeli during development, which would be a hilarious display of incompetence. I am guessing it will be something to do with standard or else they wouldn't be releasing the change early.

>>51110024
>git gud probe
Lol what?

>>51109664
You are mentally deficient.

Saw a good point raise: the normal B&R day is a holiday, and no one is going to be working in WOTC

It might legitimately be "no changes".

>>51110093
>>51110133
Or if this is too hard, 1 hour and 10 minutes from now.

>>51110093
Hey its going down. They banned Lightning Bolt.

>>51110166
I would be kind of disappointed.

>>51110166
They did the B&R on MLK Day last year, so that is wrong.

>>51110133
>>51110171
fair enough, thanks

>>51110173
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51109275
Why? She's great in Cube and Commander. Get them signed by Stevie boy and have a ball with her.

>>51110209
Yeah but MLK was op in the current meta. That nan was justified.

>>51110325

still died to removal

I saw a probably fake leak around, might as well post it

>Standard
Felidar banned

>Modern
Blood Moon banned
Become Immense banned
BBE unbanned

Also some kind of Frontier announcement.

On a side note, wouldn't it be a good idea for Wizard to announce a post-modern format with important advance, like a few blocks before it kicks in?

>>51110458
This is so stupid I actually wouldn't be surprised after the Twin ban.

>>51110475
I like the idea of getting rid of BI, and I kinda understand what the purpose of a BM band would be. On the other side, there's litterally no reason of buffing Jund unbanning BBE, and actually touching standard short before a PT out of fear of a simple combo that noone saw coming during testing is such a retarded thing that I actually kind of see it coming from WotC

>>51110536
BI ban instead of Mutagenic and/or Gitaxian Probe would leave UR Fiend untouched which is just as obnoxious t3 deck that only thrives because there's no Twin and Lightning Bolt isn't enough against it. Dredge needs to get the fuck out of the format since it wins every g1 that doesn't involve a faster goldfish and turns games 2 and 3 for every other deck into "have rip/cage/trap in your top 8 cards or lose", regardless of meta shares (since Twin also got banned despite being less represented across all color combinations than BGx and Affinity).

unban treasure cruise for legacy
unban twin and mystic for modern
eh,who am I kidding, there will be no changes

>>51110606
Keep in mind that Fiends deck were always less consistent than infect and that Fatal Push is going to be a thing. Still I agree that doing nothing against Dredge is stupid

>>51110649
72nd for
>Ban: lightning bolt, serum visions
>Unban: splinter twin, treasure cruise

>>51110795
UR Fiend is *more* consistent with more actual threasts, cantrips that find you more action, free wins with Blood Moon and comebacks with flipped Thing in the Ice in exchange to less resiliency vs multiple removal spells in a row.

If they step up and ban Emrakul or Aetherworks I'll have my faith restored in WOTC.

Felidar won't be much of a problem, it's a 3 color combo with many ways to disrupt

>>51110649
There is no way there are no changes for a surprise push forward a week with only 5 hours notice. It heavily implies something which will impact standard.

15 mins boys

15 mins until Wizards proves once again they have no idea what they're doing

How long till announcements?

>>51110963
>>51110962
Nvm

>>51110963
Top of the hour, 12 minutes.

>>51109262
Been waiting 3 hours for lunch break to say "I'm all in on this post"

>>51110962
The bright side of Wizards' fuckups is that they happen with such regularity that they don't take you by surprise anymore

>>51110811
hey pal, can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

>>51111131
I don't know why they haven't bothered scheduling EMERGENCY BANS every week or so with how often they happen

It's coming bois

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WOW

wow

It up yet?

>505

Thank you wotc.

MODERN: HOLY SHIT ARTIFACT LANDS UNBANNED

STANDARD: EMRAKUL BANNED

>>51111215
(You)

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>>51110962


heh

>>51111215
If you're gonna lie, make it believable

WHERE IS THE ARTICLE WOTC, YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE AN ARTICLE

ANCIENT STIRRINGS BANNED

BECOME IMMENSE BANNED

AETHERWORKS MARVEL BANNED IN STANDARD

P R O B E
R
O
B
E

>>51111241
More believable, but still no article

Standard:

Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.

Smuggler's Copter is banned.

Reflector Mage is banned.

Modern:

Gitaxian Probe is banned.

Golgari Grave-Troll is banned.

>>51111241
why the fuck would they ban Ancient Stirrings?

BANNED:
EMRAKUL
GITAXIAN PROBE
SMUGGLER'S COPTER
GOLGARI GRAVE TROLL

>>51111270

Ha that would actually make Standard playable nice try

WHERE THE LINKS AT MY BOIS

>>51111270
Source:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-9-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09

>>51111290
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-9-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09
YOOOO!!!

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It's real m8s

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-9-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09

JESUS FUCK THEY DID IT THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

LOOTER SCOOTER IS OUT

REFLECTOR ASSHOLE IS OUT

MEMERAKUL IS OUT

>Probe Banned
>Copter Banned
Wow literally the best cards of both the decks I play.
Literally traded $10-20 for each

>>51111302
But why the probe?

>Standard is so fucking dead they had to ban 3 cards

PRAISE BE TO WOTC

>>51111290
So troll will fall in price right? And I can finally kill my suicide zoo deck and build something else now that probe got banned.

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>>51111290
>tfw it's true

I'm glad I didn't commit to that looter scooter playset

Time to get the promo I own in an EDH deck or something

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WHAT THE FUck
These bans are too real.

>>51111317
It's a free spell and is broken for combo decks I guess.

>>51111317
Phyrexian mana was a mistake

>>51111317
Gitaxian Probe—Gitaxian Probe increased the number of third-turn kills in a few ways, but particularly by giving perfect information (and a card) to decks that often have to make strategic decisions about going "all-in." This hurt the ability of reactive decks to effectively bluff or for the aggressive deck to miss-sequence their turn. Ultimately, the card did too much for too little cost.

That's why apperently.

>>51111317
they have written....

>>51111317
Free fuel and information for Infect to get the go-ahead to vomit all their cheap spells onto a card, then Delve away everything for Become Immense.

Of the phyrexian mana cards in Infect, this was the one that pushed it to T1.

I'm more pissed at them not unbanning anything in Modern.

>>51111302
>probe got banned
>mutagenic didn't
Dick move.

STANDARD IS SAVED

lol, everyone who bought a playset of Copter is going to quit Standard

>>51111367
EXCEPT GIDEON IS STILL AROUND

>>51111378
We can only hope.

>>51111270
>>51111290
>tfw was hoping Modern could be freed and made less stale
>tfw was hoping fun combo decks could make a return
>tfw Wizards shit on Modern, AGAIN, keeping combo down and the fun stuff banned

I don't know why I was hoping for anything else really

>>51111378
Literally me

>>51110121
Would bant eldrazi start playing serum visions if they banned stirrings? it's waaaaaay worse than stirrings and would require some mana base tweaks but it seems the most similar card in modern.

Never played MTG and I never will.

But why do they ban cards?

>>51111378
Didn't buy a playset but opened one in draft a few weeks ago and forgot to sell it, now I am sad.

The bigger news from this is that neither the cat or Sahelli got pre-emptively banned, so Standard will probably be 3 months of Aetherworks Marvel vs. Jeskai Copycat.

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>>51111403
Too stronk

>>51111378

Fuck those people, I'll gladly take the people who quit standard because of copter/emrakul/reflector mage than the Spikes that stuck around and played a 3 deck format.

hahaha, do Wizards write B&R announcements with the intention of pissing people off as much as possible?

>We had to ban Emrakul because we designed it too well :^)

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>no BBE unban
>no SFM unban
>no JtMS unban

>>51111390
combo is only fun in slow formats, where you get your combo by stalling. cantripping through half your deck to get your combo is degenerate.

>>51111403
Because they're too powerful and make a meta too focused around them. Apparently.

Although their reasoning is often iffy.

>LOOTER SCOOTER IS BANNED
AHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
AHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
HAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHH

PRAISE TO BE GRIXIS CONTROL, GB DELIRIUM AND COPTER AGGRO FUCKERS CAN GO KILL THEMSELVES NOW LOL

>>51111410
jeskai copycat is a dope name for a deck

>>51111430

Their reasoning is Standard is 99% dead so at this point they have nothing to lose.

Announcement Date: January 9, 2017

Effective Date: January 20, 2017

Magic Online Effective Date: January 11, 2017

Standard:

Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.

Smuggler's Copter is banned.

Reflector Mage is banned.

Modern:

Gitaxian Probe is banned.

Golgari Grave-Troll is banned.

The list of all banned and restricted cards, by format, is here. The full list of cards banned in Modern is here. The full list of cards banned in Standard is here.

Next B&R Announcement: March 13, 2017

>>51111410
>Banned and Restricted announcements will now be made both on the Monday after Standard-legal set Prereleases and five weeks after a Pro Tour, also on a Monday.

So we might get a midway through standard ban if it works. Aetherworks Marvel also really like having emrakul, so it's nerfed quite a bit.

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>>51111419
>wanting Caw-Blade: The Meta

>>51111412
F

>>51111421
It's not even that they banned Dredge, I can understand that.

But without it, we're back to (((infect))) being the only """combo""" deck in modern.

But why do they have to keep these decks down and refuse to just print or unban reasonable universal answers to them?

>>51111443
I personally don't play Standard, those bans could be totally fair.

>>51111455
I'd hope he didn't want all of them unbanned together, but a few of any of those.

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10/10 WIZARDS

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There is only 1 waifu now.

>>51111480
>>51111455
I'd be happy with just SFM or just JtMS.

>>51111412
I will never get tired to listening to this during every banlist update

>standard is now entirely ruled by gratis control
>memedern continues to get worse with every banning.
Topkek, serves ya'll right in believing in WOTC

>>51111520
*grixis

>>51111480
I really want the infect creatures to be banned.
I'm hoping that Fatal Push becomes big and is a good way to answer them

>>51111520
>less turn 3 kills with undercosted creatures and dredge
>worse
Are you high? Only thing that could have topped this is a Twin unban.

>>51111480
"Dredge, the mechanic and the deck, has a negative impact on Modern by pushing the format too far toward a battle of sideboards."

theres your answer

>ITT: people falling for the standard twin meme

>>51111480
>But without it, we're back to (((infect))) being the only """combo""" deck in modern.
But what do the Jews have to do with this?

>>51111378
copter replaced with key/new copter
Emmy replaced with kozleck
Reflector replaced with spell queller/fairgrounds warden

Best ban list update since JTMS and Stoneforge were banned out of standard

>>51111509
I've been calling for a SFM unban for the past 9 months. If anything, this was the best chance she had of coming off, but with the Troll banned instead, she won't come off now until WotC gives up on the format instead of letting it limp along with half-hearted support via Modern Masters.

>>51111550
I specced on Saheeli super hard I was so afraid I was gonna get BTFO by a pre-emptive ban

Thank you WotC praise your Jewish heritage

>Reflector Mage is banned.

WHY GOD WHY

>>51111520
>Probe gets banned
>Mondern got worse

You are one of the most retarded individuals I've ever seen on this board. Please leave

What is copters price going to even look like after this? I've got a playset and I don't know if I can even get a fraction of the value back for them.

>>51111559
It's simple.
Dredge, as we all know, is the Nazi deck coming to save us from the Jews of the Coast.
However, in a cunning plan designed to play us entirely into their hands, they've banned out Dredge and hold up a new """combo""" deck - Infect. However, as a fake combo deck, it really just means, when the Day of the Rope comes, we will be unable to properly take the Jewish overlords out of Magic as our weapon will fail and betray us.

>>51111576

I'd sell now, that combo isn't very good

>>51111520
>>memedern continues to get worse with every banning.

This. Fuck the stupid format, and fuck WOTC.

>>51111593
>wahhh playable non-creature spells waaahhhh

Go back to Hearthstone, kiddo.

>>51111593
>waaaaaaaaah let's ban everything, shut it down, SHUT IT DOWN!
>babby needs his bottle.
t. Aggrobabby.

>We want Planeswalkers, sorcery-speed removal, and a variety of vehicles to be viable options, and believe removing Smuggler's Copter will allow them to flourish again.


>we want planeswalkers to flourish

$$$ standard

>>51111642
>playable non-creature spells
>only used in conjunction with undercosted creature that combo with temur battle rage and/or become immense which probe feeds

>>51111621
>my noninteractive flowchart deck has been weakened

I'm enjoying these tears. But don't worry, infect is def still the best deck in the format and dredge is still playable

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>Any hope for storm to make a comback in modern is now gone.
>Literally just built BR aggro for standard with a playset of copter.
KILL ME

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>MFW they ban Emrakul instead of Marvel.
>MFW I almost bought all of Dredge.

>>51111421
So you've never played legacy, where combo is more fun than in any other format?

>>51111504

>MILF
>Like late 20s at the most

No

>>51111595

They have 0 use in any other format. Bulk rare prices.

>>51111656
>dredge is still playable
This is the sound of delusion.

>>51111658
good, those things are cancer fuck you

Protip: with Copter banned, now's the time to spec on Aethersphere Harvester

>>51111659
>just bought lantern
>got kind of bervous about stirrings getting axed
>probe and troll, which are in a few of my hated matchups, get banned instead

It's Christmas again, boys!

>>51111656
>dredge is still playable
Idiot detected.

>tfw have 3 lootscoots

i should've sold them a week ago, fuck damn

>emrakul and copter being banned actually kills vehicle aggro decks, b/g delirium in both aggro and midrange variants, and aetherworks
>the three decks that are played at my store currently got banned out of the format

All smiles.

>>51111665
I have played legacy. It was fast as fuck, but it was also fun as hell 'cause every deck ran 4x FoW and 4x Daze to slow/stall/control the format.

Man, Modern would be so much better with FoW and Daze.

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what even is modern anymore...

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA THEY DIDN'T BAN BECOME IMMENSE YET AGAIN YOU FAGGOTS WHICH MEANS THEY PROBABLY NEVER WILL

NOW YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GIT GUD AT THE GAME INSTEAD OF CRYING FOR BANS

HOLY FUCK MY SIDES

>>51111679
>>51111720
Your dredge 6s became dredge 4s. You now just have to, you know, think about defense a bit and accept you have some poor MUs instead of shitting 15 cards into the GY turn 2 for turn 3/4 lethal

>>51111736
Infect

>>51111736
Terrible. Even worse the shitfest that is Standard.

Thank you based WOTC for Making Standard Playable Again

>>51111737
They need to ban the 1/1 Infecters. I hate how they can't print good pumpspells anymore because they're afraid of how it interacts with 3 bullshit cars.

I kinda get troll, mostly because this lets them reinforce their stance on never unbanning anything, but probe?

Also, Copter and mage? Really?

>>51111665
Honestly, legacy kind of is a slower format. At least at my shop, it feels a lot slower than modern. Most people tended to play fair decks there though.
And yeah, legacy is an absolute blast to play.

T. Death and Taxes.

>>51111733
Man, FoW is such a well designed card. Zero mana interaction that is only good against unfair shit, you minus yourself so hard against fair decks.

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA IM SO FUCKING LAUGHING RIGHT NOW, HAHHAAHAH A BAN IN STANDARD WHAT THE FUCK

AND OUT OF ALL THE THINGS A BAN ON A CARD THAT WAS RELEASED SOME MONTHS AGO HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FUCKING AMAZING

WotC: We have literally no idea what we are doing.


AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHA

In the interest of competitive diversity we have decided to ban every deck in standard.

>>51111645
This, they literally admitted they banned a not so oppressive card (in comparison to other shit Standard has seen like CoCo or Thoughtseize) just so they can get their $$$ by printing bad and clunky cards and no one is calling them out on it, holy fuck.

>>51111645
>being mad they want standard to not just be "who can hit emrakul off their marvel first?"

>>51111782
This just shows that they care about standard more than anything. Makes them the most money, I guess.

>>51111729
Delirium still has so many other options though

>>51111561
Literally all of those things are significantly worse than what they're replacing to the point that you might as well not bother and just shove in generic good cards.

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You bought your playset yet?

This shit is hidden-OP come aether revolt

NO JOKES NOW.

>WotC
>Standard is shit what do we do
>Hmmmm lets jump ship
>W-what?
>Lets ban the top decks
>Are you out of you mind?
>Yolo
>Emrakul, Smuggler, Reflector banned.
>Now lets release some articles about frontier to see how people take it and then greenlight it.

Please play frontier

>>51111739
>think about defense a bit
You literally cannot think about defense with Dredge not including Darkblast in any scenario that doesn't involve a resolved hate card since the best play is always the dredge as much as you can and dumping as much non-looters as you can from your hand to your yard. You have to give your opponent as few draw steps as possible and if you don't have anti-hate, another dredger and more loot effects in your hand after turns 2 and 3 (never), you cannot make a comeback vs basically any deck, unless you're Tom Ross and just hardcast Narcos and Imps.

Dredge has never had poor matchups (other than maybe Ad Nauseam), only sideboarded games and unbeatable cards.

GGT ban slowed the deck by at least 1.5 turns, at which point it makes more sense to play Grishoalbrand or Abzan Company for faster combo kills and/or resiliency in the face of hate and not finding anti-hate.

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>>51111270
>>51111412

>>51111737
the Probe banning basically is the Become Immense you tard

>>51111403
Standard is shit and nobody wants to play it and it hurt WotC wallets because attendance for events took a dive into the shitter.

Modern, whatever. Not even a pro tournament format anymore, that's how shit it is.

"We want Planeswalkers, sorcery-speed removal, and a variety of vehicles to be viable options,"

Oh, I guess this explains it. Can't really interact with vehicles at instant speed.

>>51111816
For them to do this, the attendance/sales figures must've been horrendous.

>>51111782
Standard has never been more saved than right now

Is standard now worth playing?

>>51111807
>being mad they want standard to not just be "who can hit emrakul off their marvel first?"

then why is ulamog still not banned?

holy fuck they should've just banned marvel

>>51111832

Why do I see you in every single thread

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>>51111832
Got you senpai. I dont leave ny house without checking my playset out.

>>51111453
>>Banned and Restricted announcements will now be made both on the Monday after Standard-legal set Prereleases and five weeks after a Pro Tour, also on a Monday.

Can anyone even give me a single reason to play Standard anymore? Because this might as well be Yu-Gi-Oh tier "okay the deck is too good so we'll wait long enough for you to throw your money away building it before we kill it with a ban list"

I thought Standard ban lists were supposed to be an acknowledgement of a huge mistake ala Affinity and CawBlade, not "whoops we made a format with three viable decks" button.

>>51109515
Do you not run removal then?
wtf is this mentality?

I mainly play GY decks and i always encourage people to run hate.

>>51111659
Banning Emmy hits not only marvel but delirium as well. Marvel won't be nearly as oppressive without its "oops I win" card, at the very least it has fewer massively overwhelming value creatures to hit.

>>51111645
>We want....sorcery-speed removal....to be [a] viable option
Maybe they could try making it worth playing, then?

>>51111520
jokes on you i play fevered visions burn

>>51111859
>Is standard now worth playing?

We literally don't know.

Wizards just banned almost every deck in Standard.

>>51111852
they also asked people on twitter what they thought of standard and people did not have many nice things to say about the state of the format.

>>51111871
>Rito de criptolito
You have to go back

>>51111593
Back at you friendo

Probe did nothing wrong

The Probe ban was needed but fuck I feel so bad

>friend just got the last few pieces of Suicide Zoo in the mail yesterday and was super excited and pumped
>bummed as fuck now that the deck he literally just finished is unplayable

>>51109400
And then cathartic reunion in Kaladesh.

>>51111890
>Wizards just banned almost every deck in Standard.
R/G Energy and R/W Vehicles will proably come back
And we have Aether Revolt coming out with the banlist application

>the standard ban is literally "this format"

neat

>>51111903
Wizards for once is exactly correct in their reasoning for banning that busted piece of shit. Stay mad, stay banned :^)

>>51111861

Ulamog isn't nearly as powerful as Emrakul. Emrakul can be played out of hand in those decks if you draw it. You aren't hitting 10 mana before you die in Aetherworks. It is significantly worse than it was before.

It's not going to stop existing but it's not going to be anywhere near as dominant as it is currently.

>>51111872

That's what they're doing. They're acknowledging that they fucked up by making it a format with only three viable decks.

I think the real reason is that they're not confident enough that AER is going to change the meta as it currently stands.

>>51111890
Except the fun interactive decks instead of

>Crew Smugglers, turn my cards sideways, hit you for a million and improve my card quality on each combat step
>Turn my Aetherworks Marvel sideways and free cast Emrakul lul

Still poor Reflector Mage didn't really need to get axed but i guess Oath was past its life support until that extended announcement.

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>>51111870
>oath of nissa turn 1
>cryptolith rites turn 2
>saheeli turn 3
>meme cat turn 4

>INFINITE MANA

HOLY FUCK, JUST PLAY ALL YOUR CARDS ON TURN 4.


cryptolith rites ban incoming

Damn, should have sold my Copters back during the Denver GP.

>wizards in charge of anything
So you ban obvious problem cards after the set they're released in rotates? What kind of idiots are you, why wouldn't you just ban them to begin with. At least I can get an emrakul real cheap.

Also, Smuggler's Copter was overhyped garbage as it is, and instead of fixing the format, they just nuked an arbitrary surprise card.

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>>51111903
>zero-mana cantrip did nothing wrong

Phyrexian mana was a MISTAKE.

THANK YOU WIZARDS

>>51111941
Having a three deck format is not a huge mistake. It's fucking BORING, yes, but you know what else was fucking boring? ALL OF THEROS AND WATCHING STANDARD BE [color] DEVOTION.

But I had to sit through all of that shit because "tournament attendance" wasn't down, despite it being one of the most horrifically boring Standards I've ever actually stuck around through.

This is a kike move by WotC because their boring-ass trash sets with only 5 to 10 good Standard cards is finally fucking them in the ass like it should have been with low attendance at events.

>>51111948
>So you ban obvious problem cards after the set they're released in rotates? What kind of idiots are you, why wouldn't you just ban them to begin with. At least I can get an emrakul real cheap.
None of the banned cards rotates before the end of the year

>>51111985

People didn't want to play a boring format anymore. They're trying to fix that, and not have something like theros again.

>SHIT WAS AWFUL AND THEY DIDNT FIX IT BUT NOW THEY'RE FIXING IT FUCKING KIKES

>>51111861
>then why is ulamog still not banned?
Mindslaver effects are pretty fucking strong, anon.

Like Ulamog is strong but he's just "Rawr, I'm big and scary and your library loses a leg"

Emakrul is "no you don't get to play right now, I play for you, oh look I made you lose the game." She's also easier to hard cast and has better keywords than Ulamog.

Why am I even explaining this? Holy shit.

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WOTC:
P-PLEASE PLAY FRONTIER

This seems like a really good way to piss off a lot of standard people.
Didn't Maro say that copter was fine and that answers were coming a while ago, or something like that?

>>51112001
You knew what I meant, the new set is coming out, and instead of fixing standard immediately like everyone was asking, this whole Kaladesh set standard was a complete waste of time.

I ain't even mad, I don't play standard, but it's pretty dumb, and almost explicitly to make planeswalkers somehow MORE expensive. They basically flipped the bird to anyone who bought into the current standard, and while that may have been the right decision, they couldn't have done it with fucking CoCo first?

>>51111945
if you're in a position to create an infinite amount of cats why won't you just swing for an infinite amount of damage?

>>51112022
>wizards bans the most powerful female in the format

pottery

Rip my jeskai delver deck.

>>51111972
>Phyrexian mana was a MISTAKE
Except on Dismember. Dismember is fine.

>There's a not-ridiculously expensive good deck in Modern
>THIS CANNOT STAND

STOP DENYING MY PEOPLE LEBENSRAUM, WIZARDS!

>>51112019
>missing the point this hard

The only reason they're fixing it is because now it's fucking them. If people were still going to events they wouldn't give a shit that the format is fucking boring and nobody actually likes it.

>>51112036
what if they fog?

>>51111945
>>51111871
>>51111832
>I'm still speculating the cost for this card and am trying to make people think it's going to go up in price so I can make DANK MONEYS XD

fucking neck yourself

>>51112024

Maro doesn't make every decision, though. He might have thought that copter wasn't an issue but a sizeable portion of the team disagreed.

>>51112067
enjoy losing on turn 4

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>>51112024
>Didn't Maro say that copter was fine and that answers were coming a while ago, or something like that?
Maro is the Yoshinori Ono of TCGs, except worse. He probably fully believed Copter to be fine until he saw the data showing players not enjoying the game with it. He actually wasn't lying about answers though since they came through.

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I play Authority of the Consuls against your Saheeli combo deck.

>copter is a problem
>emrakul is a problem


dude, just run counterspell/artifact hate

it's not thopter science

>>51111378
I pulled two scooters and sold them both because I predicted standard was gunna be cancer. The fatpacks I opened were free because of this and now the scooters aint shit. I also bought a playset of simians too. The last 3 months for speculations for me have been fire.

>>51112099
okay so now we just play the ping stall game and saheeli kills you.

>>51112055

>The only reason they're fixing it is because now it's fucking them.

They fucked up. They can't go back in time and un-fuck theros standard. They're fixing it now. And you're sitting here shitting the bed because they didn't do it before.

Anon learns the nature of business, betrayed and angered to find out they run on money. News at 11.

>>51112081

MaRo'a thoughts are irellevant when the cold hard statistics come in that Standard is a DEAD FORMAT thanks to your Hebrew card company printing ludicrously overpowered chase cards that run the format.

>>51112109
>counter spell
lol
>Artifact hate
solid answer but it's usually side boarded so you lose game 1 and if main boarded you lose game 1 to non artifact decks.

>>51111843
But it hits other decks hard that didn't need it. It's irreplacable in Delver.

>>51112081
Sure, they really need to be more unified on what they announce to the public though. This keeps happening.

Of course, this is the company that prints twin in MM2, and then promptly bans it.

I don't think i'm ever getting back into standard, and standard bans this aggressive clinch it.

>>51111942
>Except the fun interactive decks

UR Control and what else?

>>51112153
>and if main boarded you lose game 1 to non artifact decks.

lets be honest, everyone runs copter in serious decks

>>51112160

Yeah, they're pretty cryptic about the process. They can really take a page out of other companies' books by being more forward with what they're planning.

>>51112182
Not anymore

>>51111504
Youre dumb as fuck lmao. The indian milf is pia nalaar and nobody else has kids.

>$20 a playset of Smuggler's Copter on eBay

LMAO

>>51112189
You could say it does not longer fly at standard

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will memecat be banned before it even gets released because nobody at wizards plays the game anymore?

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top fucking kek

>>51112210

...no?

Read the fucking thread, the announcement already happened.

>>51111832
>t. DesolatorMagic

>>51112210
It wasn't preemptively banned one hour ago so no

>>51112029
>they couldn't have done it with fucking CoCo first?
they did though. remember when they changed standard rotation so that coco fell out then immediately reverted to the old rotation?

>>51112235
>>51112246

>imblying they can't just emergency ban, like they did with emmy/lootscoot

it's wizards, they act weird

>>51112217
Guess the time to finally make my casual vehicle deck has arrived.

>>51112256
And then immediately started pushing Frontier as the new hotness?

Yes, yes I do.

>>51112256
coco was dragons, rally was from fate.

fate and khans got dumped early, dragons wasn't affected

>>51111645
>We want sorcery speed removal to be viable options

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU (((Wizards)))

>>51112210
They'd have to have gone 100% full super space retard to ban the cat.
The combo isn't that good, it has more than enough answers. It's at best exactly where a combo should be: Playable, but counterplayable.

>>51112277
>Emergency ban
This wasn't an emergency ban, it was planned
They just announced it earlier so we could evaluate AER standard better

>>51111645
>we want planeswalkers

>we want boardwipes (sorceries)

>and vehicles

>to be viable


i'm looking forward to control domination for the next 2 years

WOTC CRASHING THE COPTER WITH NO SURVIVORS

How come the thread went this far and no one made this joke?

>>51112277

It isn't technically an emergency ban, it still goes into effect at the normal date. We just get forewarning.

You can still play those cards for couple of weeks.

>>51112288
>Playing Smuggler's Copter in Casual
It must be fun to play with you

>>51112277
There hasn't been an emergency ban since Memory Jar, you idiot.

>>51111736
Just pay your shekelbucks and buy into Legacy or be a poorfag like me and get into Pauper.

>>51111312
git rekt m8

>>51112340
Perhaps they were wondering why an anon would crack a joke before having an argument?

>>51112347
>looter scooter
>degenerate in a format without restrictions

wew

>tfw i never bought into the top deck meta and just kept playing what i found fun and enjoyable which was my Grixis Gearhulks control deck.

>The top uninteractive decks were slapped in the face meanwhile my deck was left intact.


Feels good to not be a retarded netdecker and ruining everyones fun with online decks.

>>51111782
They printed it with the intent of a 1 year cycle. The minute people chimped out and got it changed back to the old timeframe was when they realized they were cancering up the game and the excuse of "it rotates out faster" is meaningless.

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>>We want Planeswalkers, sorcery-speed removal, and a variety of vehicles to be viable options,


reminder that this thing is in aether revolt


I wonder what kind of direction wizards want to take standard in

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>We want Planeswalkers to be viable
>please keep buying our new sets
>please seriously we're begging you

>>51112340
This isn't /edh/, the quality of posters will be noticeably worse.

Something something "smuggling the promised end if you catch my drift", other something "Emrakul'd off", something something "Coptering a feel of a promised end".

>>51112431
Oh boy, I sure am excited to play a card that forces you to play both walkers AND creatures to get value off it.

Oh, wait, no. I could just play a mana dork.

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>>51112431
>We want Planeswalkers
> and a variety of vehicles

>People though WotC would stop doing retarded Modern bans for no reason once it wasn't a PT format anymore
ZERO
BREAKS
ON
THIS
TRAIN

>>51112431
WOTC is terrible at predicting the meta on their own game. See: Zurgo Helmsmasher in KTK standard.

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>>51112495
Wish granted

>>51112431
Forrest, Nissa's Oath
Plains, Johnny's Oat
Land, Chandra, Nissa

>>51112519
In a standard where shock is gonna become one of the pillars of removal, that isn't honestly half bad. (Push is gonna push your dork's shit in regardless.)

>>51111290
>>51111300
>>51111302
>Looter scooter is done for

Thank god there is still justice in this world

>>51112409
Shut the fuck up desolator. heres your (You)

>>51112563
>cant bolt dorks
green is and always will be the best

I actually can't wait to play Standard.

WHY DID GGT GET BANNED?
WHY DID PROBE GET BANNED?
FUCK I HATE JUND
BAN FUCKING LILIANA

>>51111645

Sorcery speed removal is viable though(admittedly Ruinous Path is probably the best one i can think of right now), until they cast an Emrakul and 4 for 1 you but that can't happen now.

>>51111861
>thinking Ulamog is on par with Emrakul

if you were retarded anon you should have just prefaced your post with that

I'm glad I traded away one of my copters atleast, got a panharmonicon and some artifact lands for EDH now I have 2 though so i pretty much just lost 20 bucks lol.

Also Wizards just fucking hit CTRL+ALT+DEL on standard jesus

>>51111595

Copter will see some Modern play in the future, yes even with Bolt in the format. Modern is a format that is very slow to adjust to certain new cards unless it's just outright really cheap and useful e.g Fatal Push.

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>print a ton of good answers to the current problems in standard in Aether Revolt
>proceed to ban everything before the set comes out
>now instead of turn 4 wins, we have turn 5 wins/combos with Paradox Engine, Rai, and whatever other shit people brew up
Wouldn't be surprised if someone broke that "8 of the same artifact win the game" card.

Aetherworks can still be a viable deck without Emerkual as well. You could even try a new toy in Aetherwind Basker. Fuels Marvel and big green trampler.

Fuck you could even use Exquisite Archangel AKA Platinum Angel: Lite

>>51112626
Nope, anon. Those players spent a lot of money on their cards, and jund is perfectly fair. We don't want to drive them off now, do we? If you want to avoid the BnR, make sure to spend lots and lots of money for our friends over at scg.

>>51111378
I just sold my only copy a week ago, feels good.

>>51112055
>being this much of a fucking retard

>Wizards made this huge mistake letting a boring standard exist HOW DARE THEY TRY TO AVOID REPEATING THE SAME PROCESS

Are you just assdevestated because the greek expy setting was also a trash standard format?

>>51112484
Should've figured it out

>>51112681
Well that would be at least some funny ways of winning

>>51112681
I think that card is sweet with servos, slap it on the puzzleknot to dodge removal, expertise can get you 5 servos for 4 mana, metallic rebuke is great in it, and you can throw in master trinketers as a beatdown wincon/extra servo maker

>>51112681
>Wouldn't be surprised if someone broke that "8 of the same artifact win the game" card.
"breaking" an aura isn't something I'd be too worried about, anon.

>>51112681
>>now instead of turn 4 wins, we have turn 5 wins/combos with Paradox Engine, Rai, and whatever other shit people brew up
S T A N D A R D
A
V
E
D

why doesn't wizards simply just ban the most expensive cards? that way it would be more inclusive and get more players :^)

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Brace your self brothers.

The salt is coming, and coming hard.

"but muh investimunts"

nobody cares, shut up.

>>51112123
>Saheeli killing anyone

Anon she was a shit card before the combo, she's not going to magically be better now

>>51111745
>infect loses information and a free spell to delve away
No, jund and tron are king now

Dredge barely needs Grave troll. Probe did nothing wrong. If anything from Infect needed to be banned it was Inkmoth Nexus. The Suicide decks weren't oppressive especially with the release of fatal push.

>>51112789
splinter twin was a shit card before people found its combo.

Will my U/R "prowess" build be viable now :DDD

>>51112692

Jund is a fair deck though. One of the few that exist in Modern. It just plays efficient things and hits you with them.

>>51112784

I do think every card worth over $20 should be banned from all formats as a matter of principle.

>>51112787
>tfw pulled 1 and bought 3 copies of Copter
>tfw pulled 1 and bought 1 copy of Emrakul
>tfw more than happy to take the monetary loss to have a better format

hopefully we don't get more degernate shit with marval next format
but at lest if we do they won't be taking your turn for you and eliminating any possible way of you coming back into the game

>>51112833
I do agree, I was mostly being hyperbolic. I would not be surprised if Liliana got the axe at some point in the future though.
I just wish that DnT was slightly better in modern, and that there was actual mana denial in the format.

The Emrakul ban was reasonable. Card won you many games in about 70% of the time it was casted. Sure they still get a few turns in some cases but they were pretty much locked out and had to topdeck specific answers for Emrakul.

Smuggler's Copter ban I don't particular agree with because that card was what pushed the lesser tier decks to have competitive viability against the tier 1 type decks. Even casual Vampire Aggro decks were a threat with Smug Copter around. Also many decks in the format were already able to deal with turn 2 copter on both play or draw very easily.

Reflector Mage ban i'm about 50/50 on. On the one hand existing decks running it were getting pretty good tempo plays with, Panharmonicon+Reflector Mage was some of the funniest thing's i've done. Though with flickering effects being most U/W and the U/W flash being pretty strong in the format could adjust to the meta with some of these cards and Revolt triggers. Some of the "expertise" cards there can be a potential for some serious blowout tempo plays with the card.

>>51111319

When was the last time they banned three cards from Standard? Caw-Blade?

>>51112817
And? Does the knowledge of this combo existing suddenly make twin better in situations where your combo gets shut down?

>>51112779
>isn't something I'd be too worried about
I've seen this exact sentence too much. I know it's still an aura, but like so many times I've been told not to worry.

CoCo? Don't worry. Marvel? Don't worry. Smugglers Copter? Don't worry.

CHANDRA? WORRY WORRY WORRY!
>fucking didn't have to worry

>>51112922

Caw-Blade era was only a 2 card ban. Though technically it was like a 1.5 card ban to be honest.

Jace was banned and so was Stoneforge Mystic, however you were allowed to play Stoneforge mystic if you played it from just the precon deck only.

>>51112964
Anon can you name the last time an aura was broken?

>>51113008
Splinter Twin?

>>51112951
No. Twin is awful without exarch/pestermite.
Thing is, it was never played without those cards, so it doesn't matter

>>51113008
Can you name the last time an aura had a win-the-game clause?

>>51112913
She is getting printed in Modern Masters 2017 so she's immune for atleast a year

>just finished tuning the old UW Spirits deck with 3x copter and 4x reflector mage
Just...fuck it. I guess I can save it all for frontier, and almost all the spirits are going to fit in some modern CoCo shell.
But god damn this is frustrating. Yeah, I get it, but they seriously couldn't just wait until Amonkhet came out for Reflector and Emmy to rotate out? This is going to piss off more people than it will bring in.

>>51113020
Splinter Twin was not broken. The ban was a joke, ask anyone in the modern general.

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>>51113062
And Saheeli will never be played without the cat. So what?

>>51113082
Can you name the last time ANY card with a win-the-game clause was broken?

>>51113097
They don't rotate with Amonkhet, rotation won't happen until the block after amonkhet/hod

>>51113097
neither of those cards rotate with Amonkhet
this was necessary

Save them for frontier
if the format takes off all the value you lost today will come back no big deal
if it doesn't take off think of it as a small tax for the health of the format

>>51113184
F-felidar soverign in c-commander

>>51113184
To be fair, the "win the game" clause cards always require you to kill 4 monkeys with coconut launchers, pedal a bike for 8 miles, and then make your bed.

that's on purpose.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
THEY DID IT
THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

>>51113184
Battle of Wits was... played.

>>51112524
dont forget to make a plant token to defend with

>>51112669
i'm trying it as a 2-of in hatebears. its p.gud with nobles out.

>tfw spicy new Emracool for my commander decks because she is worthless in memedard

>>51113215
>>51113218
Oh shit, right. Yeah I guess it makes some sense, taking them out this long before Q4. Copter I totally understand. Maybe the deck will survive with some value stand-ins for Ref Mage. Hopefully Amonkhet gives us some actual spirit tribal support so I can actually make a real tribal list.
I suppose I could start brewing some new shit. Thermo Visions is already boring as hell to me though. As much as I hate the shitposting tied to it, cryptolith is actually really interesting to me, especially with paradox engine.