/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest

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January 9th in military history:

475 – Byzantine Emperor Zeno is forced to flee his capital at Constantinople, and his general, Basiliscus gains control of the empire.
1127 – Jin–Song Wars: Invading Jurchen soldiers from the Jin dynasty besiege and sack Bianjing (Kaifeng), ending the Northern Song dynasty.
1760 – Ahmad Shah Durrani defeats the Marathas in the Battle of Barari Ghat.
1792 – Treaty of Jassy between the Russian and Ottoman Empires is signed.
1799 – British Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger introduces an income tax of two shillings to the pound to raise funds for Great Britain's war effort in the Napoleonic Wars.
1806 – Lord Nelson receives a state funeral and is interred in St Paul's Cathedral.
1861 – American Civil War: "Star of the West" incident occurs near Charleston, South Carolina.
1863 – American Civil War: The Battle of Fort Hindman begins in Arkansas.
1916 – World War I: The Battle of Gallipoli concludes with an Ottoman Empire victory when the last Allied forces are evacuated from the peninsula.
1917 – World War I: The Battle of Rafa is fought near the Egyptian border with Palestine.
1918 – Battle of Bear Valley: The last battle of the American Indian Wars.
1921 – Greco-Turkish War: The First Battle of İnönü, the first battle of the war, begins near Eskişehir in Anatolia.
1923 – Lithuanian residents of the Memel Territory rebel against the League of Nations' decision to leave the area as a mandated region under French control.
1941 – World War II: First flight of the Avro Lancaster.
1945 – World War II: The Sixth United States Army begins the invasion of Lingayen Gulf.
1964 – Martyrs' Day: Several Panamanians try to raise the Panamanian flag on the U.S.-controlled Panama Canal Zone, leading to fighting between U.S. military and Panamanian civilians.
1996 – First Chechen War: Chechen separatists launch a raid against the airfield and later a hospital in the city of Kizlyar in neighboring Dagestan,

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Today marks 100 years since the Battle of Rafa, the third and final battle to complete the recapture of the Sinai Peninsula by British forces during the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the First World War. The Desert Column of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force (EEF) attacked an entrenched Ottoman Army garrison at El Magruntein to the south of Rafa, close to the frontier between the Sultanate of Egypt and the Ottoman Empire, to the north and east of Sheikh Zowaiid. The attack marked the beginning of fighting in the Ottoman territory of Palestine.

In the wake of their defensive stand at Romani in August 1915, British Commonwealth forces under General Sir Archibald Murray began pushing across the Sinai Peninsula. Due to the harsh desert terrain, the pace of the advance was governed by the construction of a railroad and water pipeline to support the troops. Reaching El Arish, mounted forces under Major General Sir Henry Chauvel captured Turkish fortifications at Magdhaba on December 23rd. Eager to complete the conquest of the Sinai, Murray sought to force the Turks out of Rafa, near the Egyptian Sinai-Palestine border. On January 8, 1916, Murray assigned this task to Chauvel's Anzac Mounted Division.

The commander of the Desert Mounted Column, Lieutenant General Philip Chetwode, rode with Chauvel's men to oversee the assault. Near Rafa, the Turks had constructed a defensive position at El Magruntein, anchored on a rise known as Hill 255. Building four redoubts, they placed one atop the hill and the others to the west, south, and east. These were dubbed redoubts A, B, and C.

Approaching Rafa on the morning of January 9 with the 1st & 3rd Australian Light Horse Brigades, the 5th Yeomanry Brigade, the New Zealand Light Horse Brigade, and three battalions of the Imperial Camel Corps, Chetwode worked to isolate the garrison by cutting the telegraph lines to Gaza.

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>>51096331
Sending the New Zealanders around to the south, he ordered them to approach the outpost from the east and north, while the Yeomanry Brigade moved in from the west. At 7:00 AM, British horse artillery batteries opened fire on the Turkish redoubts.

Shortly after the shelling commenced, a group of Turks attempted to escape towards Gaza, but were intercepted and captured by the New Zealanders. Moving forward, the British advanced on foot, with Chetwode initially holding two brigades in reserve (3rd Light Horse & 5th Yeomanry). These were soon committed to the battle, as his men surrounded the Turkish fortifications. Advancing across open ground, the assault quickly bogged down as the Turks were able to maintain a high rate of fire. By early to mid-afternoon supplies of ammunition began to run low. Although Chauvel called for further effort, the mistake of leaving the ammunition vehicles behind proved costly, as the attack wavered.

As the Australian Mounted Division formed the bulk of the mounted troops in the theater, neither Chetwode nor Chauvel was willing to sustain heavy casualties, particularly as they both believed that the Turks would soon abandon Rafa of their own accord. Alerted to the approach of a Turkish relief force, the two commanders began making plans to fall back to El Arish. As evening approached and the withdraw orders written, several of Chauvel's brigades launched final efforts against the Turks. Charging from the north, three New Zealand regiments attacked the main redoubt on Hill 255.

This was supported by assaults on Redoubt B by the Camel Corps and Redoubt C by the 1st Light Horse Brigade. All three attacks reached the enemy fortifications and succeeded in overcoming the Turkish opposition. Overwhelmed, the Turks began surrendering and all of Rafa was taken in short order.

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>>51096349
During the fighting the Desert Column suffered three times the losses previously endured at Magdhaba. The 487 casualties included 124 New Zealanders: 71 killed, 415 wounded and one missing. Chetwode reported to the commander of Eastern Force, Lieutenant General Charles Macpherson Dobell, that the work of all troops engaged had been excellent, and the part played by the New Zealand Mounted Rifles Brigade had been outstanding.

Against this, the mainly Ottoman prisoners, which included some German machine-gunners, totalled between 1,472 and 1,635, with 162 of them wounded. About 200 Ottoman soldiers were killed on the battlefield.

The Sinai/Palestine theatre doesn't get a lot of attention in World War One wargaming, which is a shame because it has a lot to offer. Manoeuvre plays a huge role, and exotic units like the different cavalry forces as well as armoured cars are in abundance. The Ottomans, with German support, can mount a determined defence and the Allied player needs to exploit their mobility to get around this. Aircraft and artillery come to play a vital role during the campaign, added combined arms elements later on.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/d00kbpry8d910ce/Osprey+-+MAA+269+-+The+Ottoman+Army+1914-18.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6ri86cd98fxt9i1/Osprey+-+MAA+406+-+The+British+Army+In+World+War+I+%283%29+The+Eastern+Fronts.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/cf83qc8k0f2w8wx/Osprey+-+MAA+473+-+New+Zealand+Expeditionary+Force+In+World+War+I.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/o3h3swpq7i8jz6d/Osprey+-+MAA+478+-+The+Australian+Army+in+World+War+I.pdf

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The community project this month, is a mini or unit based on something from military fiction.

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They're not great and it's a bit late, but I got the /hwg/ bug again and completed last month's community project. The theme was food, so I made three animals as hidden movement markers in M&T. Two venison and one pork.

I've also ordered a miniature for this month's project. Waiting for Warlord Games to cast it though.

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I've been wargaming for a few years now but never really branched out of WW2 and modern stuff.

What pike & shot era game should I play if I'm an autist for fluffy battles?

>>51097138
Probably not Pike&Shotte unless you're willing to do a lot of work making your own units.

What bit of the era would you be looking at though? Stuff changes quite a lot over the couple of centuries covered even if the weaponry doesn't.

>>51097247
I'm a sweden yes cuck, so the thirty years war and the not-really-that-pike&shot great northern war both appeal.

I had a look at Pike&Shotte and the unit stuff looked pretty lightweight, but I didn't really read into it. Is it GURPS Vehicles tier crunch or just a lot of paperwork?

>>51097328
It's incredibly casual tier creation. But I've seen a lot of complaints about the army lists being a mess, having bad details, missing things that were around and even the formations just being wrongly shaped for anything past early Tercios.

For most people that won't matter but if you're gonna be detail-focused it'll bug you incessantly.

>>51097440
Well I mean, I am the kinda guy who buys 3 different kits to kitbash into a single reg, so that would probably fuck with me.

Got anything you could reccomend?

>>51097658
Well my usual recommendation if not Pike & Shotte is to go Baroque, but I am not sure in this case. Maybe Father Tilly is an option but I only really know of it by reputation so can't offer more than a name. But it is explicitly 30 years War based and not trying to cover everything from Landsknects to Plug Bayonets.

>>51097658
With Fire and Sword, if you fancy doing 15mm.

>>51097951
Baroque looks pretty rad, doesn't seem like the PDF is in the mega though. Do you have it?

>>51098307
Only a physical copy I'm afraid.

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I know this is a bit of a longshot, but does anyone have PBI/Poor Bloody Infantry's Company Architect book? I see the main rules book is in the OP pdf stores, but I'd like to see some of the arrangements inside.

So some bloke in the naval thread reckoned that GHQ was better quality than Langton for Nap naval. Langton however do have a better range, and an Indefatigable model which would be great for this challenge. Further thoughts?

>>51100227
>Further thoughts?

...There's a naval thread?
[insert naval-gazing joke here] fuck it too tired to invent/steal joke.

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>get pic related printed at print shop
>go to pick it up
>lady asks "are you going there?"
suuure... I'm going to austia-hungary, and prussia, and the ottoman empire...

I'm pretty happy with how the map turned out, squares are large enough to fit 5 risk cannons in (which would be 500 points of forces) which is usually the max in a campaign.

The production centres may not be 100% finished (and any suggestions are welcome), might do some tweaking depending on a bit of playtesting.

"Allies" will be french, English and US forces. I could potentially split them up, but I thought it would keep things historical if they were automatically together.

>>51101050
I am jelly of your map.

BRDM

>>51101050
>make fun of lady in shop trying to make small talk
>Prussia isn't even on that map and became the German Empire decades before the time period.
She was just being friendly you autist

>>51104225
heh, I didn't actually make fun of her. The witty response only came later after I was getting in the car - as most witty responses seems to do. I just told her it was for wargames. No feelings were hurt, except perhaps prussia

What Rank & File Supplements are you looking for? I thought they were all accounted for.

Burn & Loot yay or nay?

>>51105659
If you don´t want to conquer the direct area sure. If you do want it it´s better to keep the local populace friendly

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>got D-day firefight + Sherman tank for $80

I'm starting with the half-track first. I hope to get everything done by the end of the month, so a friend and I can play.

Hwg, what color is my half track going to be?

>>51104225
Prussia sort of is still on the map because it became a state of the Empire.

It's a bit like saying Texas doesn't appear on maps after 1846.

>>51107459
Prussia does not exist anymore however.

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>>51108332
For now

>>51108360
Heil dir im Siegerkranz...

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>>51108360
#Freeprussia

>>51107409
Dunkelgelb. If you like add some blobs in green and or brown for camo.

Technically your Halftrack could be Panzergrau as well, but then it wouldn't fit as an enemy for your americans since from 1943 onwards all german gear was painted dark yellow.

How good are transports in bolt action i don't see them offten is there a reason why?

because i'm tempted to get some bren carriers and kangaroos.

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>>51107409

>>51109612
They are pretty bad with some weird rules that can cause them to be lost to bullshit. Occasionally good for capture and recover objectives. A universal carrier is an OK option due to it being small and cheap.

>>51109612
>bren carriers

I won't lie, I've used Bren carriers successfully to carry a Commando section around. Drive up a flank somewhere towards something you don't like, and the Commando all hop out, hose the target down with SMG and Vickers K fire, and the Bren Carrier can add in with the Bren guns(s). It's a surprising amount of firepower, all told, and giving a Commando section that sort of mobility is will worth the Bren Carrier's cost; the extra LMGs are just icing on the cake.

Completely unarmed transports and soft trucks? Yeah, unless you REALLY need to move AT guns around, or you need them for scenario play, don't see a lot of use.

>>51109707
Good eye! Thanks for looking out anon

>>51096381
>>51096381
After watching all the programmes multiple times (except Sharp's Gold which I only watched once, and I haven't even seen the Indian ones because they're a pile of wank), I've finally started reading the books.

What's the best way to get my Sharpe fix on the tabletop?

>>51110879
Grinding up a miniature of Sharpe and injecting it.
Hotglueing a miniature of Sharpe.
Playing Sharp Practice by two fat lardies.

Pick one of the above options.

>>51110879
Get some CHOSEN MEN and play Song of Drums and Shakos or Sharp Practice (for slightly larger games).

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>>51110615
>Completely unarmed transports and soft trucks? Yeah, unless you REALLY need to move AT guns around, or you need them for scenario play, don't see a lot of use.

Meanwhile in real life most WW2 armies were horsedrawn and would have loved to have had a truck. That said, the transports were generally ditched well before they got into combat

Hey there,

some weeks ago I read some news about a small skirmish game with roman setting. Not sure if upcoming or recently released. I forgot the name and now I cannot find the mentioned news.
Anyone can help?

LAV-25

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Hey can anybody help me?
I just started my greek force for Bolt action and i am confused as what to use for their uniforms colors.
Not really experienced in painting can anybody give good paints for the uniform?

>>51112875
Broken Legions? its more Fantasy than Hist though.

>>51109612
Get trucks if you want gameplay efficiency.
Everything else is a waste of points.

If you want/need armored transports for your army go for it, they aren't as terrible as they were in 1st edition, (they can fire now without passengers inside) but still need to be played carefully.

>>51113482
Allied halftracks with mounted HMGs are nice doe.

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>>51113032
Vallejo "russian uniform" might work as a base color for the uniform.

>>51111151
I'm making a list for a German Atlantic wall scratch force and included a couple horse tows just because I think they're neat to have/historically correct.

>>51108332
Still have a lot of people who identify themselves as Prussian. Often hear people refer to Prussian officers, etc. In memoirs. And it is marked on that map - all across the top of germany spans a large label "prussia".

>>51113919
>thinking the point of this is that Prussia is still a province in Germany rather than the guy making fun of the nice lady making small talk with him

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>>51113697
You mean this set?
Seems pretty good but i think the greens might not work for the greeks.

>>51114345
no he means the Vallejo Model Colour 'Russian Uniform'.

>>51114606
Ah ok sorry

>>51113525

It was not Broken Legions as far as I remember. It was historical only.

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>>51110879
There are quite a few Sharpe & friends minis available too, from a number of companies

Hey guys can't seem to find any data on soviet paratroopers in ww2. Wanted to do an army of them for bolt action and was wondering about couple things.

>Color scheme
>Equipment
>What vehicles they used
>What anti tank, and artillery guns they used.

Sorry if they questions are dumb /hwg/.

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>>51119123
This is from Suttons "red army handbook" you should be able to find a PDF online

As for uniforms, google soviet airborne, there's plenty of images, even some BA armies (the one I saw was all infantry - no At guns or vehicles)

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>>51119123
Here's the Airborne BA army

http://www.wwpd.net/2014/05/wargames-factory-soviets.html

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>>51119123
Paras wore soft helmets like the tankers did, but once on the ground wore their blue pilotkas. They wore one-piece camo suits with amoeba pattern like scouts do. Their armament was the PPSH, with one or two SVT rifles to the sharp shooters in the platoon. Each squad had a DP LMG, possibly two if the fourth platoon was absent from the company. They employed PRTD rifles and 50mm light mortars like normal Red Army did, along with maxim MGs without the gun shield, and all were trained in sabotage, carrying small wooden-cased demo bombs, and satchel charges. Depending on when they got those RPG-whatever AT grenades as well. If they could secure airfields from the enemy, light scout tanks and other equipment could be airlifted out to reinforce them.

>>51119416
The Zaloga one? I can't seem to find a pdf of it.

>>51113851

*internet fistbump*

That's the way to do Bolt Action. If you play with WAAC people, it's miserable all around. But if you have a group who can make and stick to a gentleman's agreement to make historical lists and play for objectives instead of exclusively "kill everyone" scenarios, it's actually a fun game.

>>51120072
>>51119439
>>51119416

You guys think it'd do them a disservice if all I did was use the standard warlord games soviet infantry box set and do the camo along with painting whatever soldier that has a pilotka blue?

Also wanted to include a tank because I do love the things. anyway know where I can find a t-40 light tank at the scale?

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>>51120258
Maybe choose a different type of force if you want tanks? paras aren't really suited to it, although you could use a captured enemy tank potentially. not sure if BA has rules for that, but a Pz. IV or something would be pretty cool.

Captured panther would be ultimate

>>51120162
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1572521

>>51120494

Yeah I think you're right I'll just go with infantry. I'll use the tanks for my assault pioneers for my germans.

>>51120693
You could still potentially have a light tank like a T-70 or BT-7, the airborne could join up with advanced forces, so really any kind of vehicle is feasable in a mixed platoon.

Motorcycles would be cool.

>>51120822


Nah just saw that the t-40 was in the book and I saw it on that list that anon shared so I thought I'd try to throw it in.

I think I'll go with something like they just hit the ground and all they have is FO's, mortars, and AT guns.

>>51120917
A T-70 would be pretty close to a T-40 in size and shape. Should be able to find miniatures for them.

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>>51120192

Thanks! I'm gonna throw my list up. My idea is a scratch kampfgruppe of Osttruppen thrown together from Kriegsmarine coastal artillerymen defending their battery. I'm thinking I can do the Osttruppen by mixing in a couple DP-28s and some Mosin-Nagants off the Soviet infantry sprues. Also going to use the Soviet 45mm ATG instead of the Pak 38, since it has the same stats in BA.

Kriegsmarine are just gonna normal Grenadier models with a couple headswaps, maybe, since Coastal Artillery basically wore Heer uniforms by this point of the war, anyway.

Funny thing is this list came around because I really wanted to have a captured Somua R35 on the table.

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I wish I had half the skills that this guy does

>>51122832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xGbEDs6-4

Soviet Air Guards Platoon
1,003 Points Total with 11 total order dice

HQ
Second (Regular) Lieutenant- 65pts
-One guard

Air Force Forward Observer (Regular)- 85 pts
-One guard

Troops
First Airborne Squad (Veterans) -186 pts
-6 additional men
-LMG gunner
-Tough Fighters
-SMG's x4

Second Airborne Squad (Veterans)- 186 pts
-6 additional men
-LMG gunner
-Tough Fighters
-SMG's x4

Third Airborne Squad (Veterans)-186 pts
-6 additional men
-LMG gunner
-Tough Fighters
-SMG's x4

Rifle Squad (Inexperienced)- 71 pts
-7 Additional men
-Anti-tank grenades

Weapon Teams
Sniper team (Regular)- 50 pts
Light Mortar Team- 35 pts
Light Mortar Team- 35 pts
M-42 Light Anti-Tank Gun (Regular)- 58 pts

Vehicles
Gaz "Jeep" (Regular) - 46 pts
-HMG mount

Sorry for the shitty format guys but very first bolt action list I created myself. How's it look?

>>51122832

Damn that's cool

>>51122832
>I'm now imagining a 3D naval wargaming in 1/700 scale, including Submarine combat

Damnit, we need this technology, and it needs to be affordable but perfect. We also need it now.

>>51124191
vr wargaming when

>>51125329
Tabletop sim is technically a thing

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>>51124191
Could you not just do it like aerial wargaming but mount the subs on adjustable flightstands?

>>51126096
Don't be silly anon, that'd be cheap and simple and quite a good idea.

>>51126355
I'm sorry, I won't do it again I promise.

>>51119123
It would have been interesting (at least from a war games persepctive) if the Soviets had had the transport capacity to do some drops as part of Bagration. Cutting the road between Warsaw and Siedlce or taking the bridges over the Vistula to prevent the Germans retreating westward.

>>51121174
A T-60 is just a low-budget adaptation of a T40/T40S.

>>51126999
>>51127018

Can you guys rate my air guards list I posted in here? Tried to keep it historical but added somethings like the jeep for fun. Gonna be my first BA army to go up again my friends marines starter box for fun.

>>51123085
>elite recon/para/commando force
>inexperienced squads

Why do people do this?

>>51127725
The inexp squad is free with the Soviets.

I just got the romans from hail caesar starter set and a caesar himself & antony miniatures.

did I do good? what should I expect in this game?

>>51127725

It's a completely free 5 man squad I can suicide throw at a tank if I need to. Providing they don't fuck up and go down.

Plus I look at them like the first three squads are the hard motherfuckers and these guys are the rookie reserves with bravado.

>>51127725
Even relatively elite formations had green troops, every unit needs to replace troops killed.

Does anyone know where I can find reference material on the German coastal artillery?

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>>51124191
>>51126096
This is aeronef & aquanef, so flying ships and submarines (and a sunken wreck lying on the sea floor).

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>>51128415
Surface ships under a similar basing scheme would be handled like so.

You'd probably want a less-crazy seafloor for a realistic game, and maybe car-antenna-mounted aircraft?

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>>51128427
And yeah, you could just do a sub game with adjustable bases, but that gets awfully tall for surface vessels. Maybe go with a lego base for adjustable sub depth?

>>51128415
i wondering what i was looking at and thought this was AWG for a moment.

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>>51128441
Ball-style tops are always an option if you want your subs or aircraft to be able to bank and dive and pose.

>>51128476
Yeah, 'nef is solidly /awg/, but it illustrates ways of handling different levels without too much hassle. The implied sea surface might be a bit of an abstraction too far for some, but eh, I like it.

>>51128477
Are those lego bricks?

>>51128496
Indeed! You can mix in coloured ones to indicate flight levels, faction or status, I guess. >>51128441 shows the lego parabola dish thingy that's a useful base - that's a 24mm wide one, I think.

https://anotherwargamesblog.blogspot.co.nz/2009/10/flight-stands-for-1600-aircraft.html

And no, you're not stupid for not thinking of it before. It's one of those simple bits of genius... although it's not really a good idea for heavy stuff. 1/600 planes, though, go crazy.

>>51128427
https://bleaseworld.blogspot.co.nz/2010/04/countdown-to-salute.html by the way - apparently doing it without the painted CD, just using the beaker, is nowhere near as visually appealing. I can see how that would be the case, and as they say, doing up a CD per ship is not that hard.

>>51128155
Those replacements in elite formations would presumably be sent in battle with more training than a green conscript though

>>51123085
Are you going for a ~1942 para airdrop unit or a later war paras fighting as ground troops?

I'm assuming you're limited by the rules but para squads had mostly/only SMGs didn't they? If playing friendly game among friends consider SMGs only.

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>>51128580
Its true that every elite formation I can think of doesn't use conscripts and that yes their training, esprit de corps and equipment should make them better than a green soldier in a regular unit, however all of these things don't really make up for the lack of experience a replacement has.

>>51128749
Everytime I see that picture it just makes me wonder who uses a bipod with a camera.

>>51128769
My dad uses a tripod but he's a birdwatcher who gets pictures he takes published in articles and such.

>>51128769
What if you've got a camera gun, a gun shapped like a camera and you're laying down fire to supress the enemy, in a super secert covert fire fight where everyone has disguised weapons?

>>51128822
Well yeah a tripod makes perfect sense, but a bipod?

>>51128629

Went accordingly with anons equipment list. Squads mixed with svt's and maybe carbine length mosins.

Think the smgs are too over powered when mixed with rifles and lmg's?

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>>51128869

>>51129252
If it's based on real equipment then go ahead.

As for "list-building" and sheathed SMGs are overpowered, is your goal a tournament style warhammer 2k game or are you trying to one degree or another model a ww2 skirmish?
If it's the latter don't worry about the SMGs; a historic airborne force is going to have a lot of small arms firepower but be generally weak against armor, dug in troops etc.

>>51128749
I'd either rate the FNGs as regular or if you're trying to be realistic just leave them at home even if they're free. Again, are you going for what works in the game or what's more inline with historic deployment and results?

>>51123085
Only comment is that it's kind of a dick move to be 3 points over when you're taking 3 point upgrades.

Also in the main rulebook Soviet list you get less variety but the free squad gets an SMG and LMG which is handy.

>>51129503

Yeah its just gonna be a force for friendly games. Just wanted generalized feel of a airborne force, wanted to be theme with right equipment for my guys.

Like I was saying before all I'm going up against is my friends USMC starter and maybe other armies like my other friends SS and japanese.

>>51129791

Oh that right the smgs for the airborne are three points right I'll drop one off one of the squads and make it even.

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>>51129804
You might consider doing Soviet marine recon - I don't know a whole lot about them but they did fight the Japanese in the Kuriles/Sakhalin and could without too much of a stretch plausibly fight USMC in the Baltic or far East in 1945 or Germans along the Danube

>>51129503
>sheathed SMGs

Autocorrect got that one but I don't remember what I was trying to say

>>51130408

The black death they were called right? Would love to know more about them.

>>51130902
That's a nickname for Soviet marines in general, not specifically the recon troops.

A BKKA1125 is an easy scratchbuild if you wanted to do the battles along the Danube

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I found my painting mojo again and finished off the Indian forces I'll need for a 200pts M&T list.

What should I paint next? I've got British line infantry for the AWI, British line infantry for the the FIW, or civilians that can be used in either conflict. Given my order for the community project, I'm leaning towards FIW or the civilians for muh Last of the Mohicans feels.

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>>51131170
>tfw completely lost my mojo and my FIW Indians sit on a shelf staring at me, primed and unpainted
help

>>51131241
Let's get a 200pt game in, say in May? I'm going to be out of the country again in April.

I wonder how large a Frog list Worcester-Anon can bring to the table.

>>51131241
To quote a famour philosophian, Mr. LaBeouf, "JUST DO IT". Seriously, pick up that brush, break a pot open, put the brush into the pot and paint. They won't paint themselves, they need YOU to paint them.

>>51131305
Ok I'm up for it. Where abouts are you again?

>>51131372
Alright I'll do it.

Thank Mr LaBeef

>>51131009

Tell me about the equipment will you? I'd love to build a little BA list for em' when I get home. Infantry heavy I'm guessing, with a scout squad as mandatory.

>>51123085
>1,003 Points

I don't want to be that guy, but you should aim to stay below 1000. Personally i would have no problem with your list but other people will complain about that at 100%.
Remove 1 smg from one of the squads and it should be fine.

>>51127999
>It's a completely free 5 man squad

In fact its a full strengh 12 men squad.

>>51129804
If its for friendly games the inex squad can be replaced with either a Zis 3 fieldgun or a SU-76.
Its mentioned somewhere in the soviet army book.

>>51132277
>>51132277

With a free smg and lmg's too right?

>>51131241
Leave it and paint something fun.

>>51131830
He's Devon, You're Hampshire. You could meet mid way? Do Triple Helix still have a shop?

>>51133321
Makes sense. Don't know who they are though?

>>51133776
they were a shop in Wiltshire. I went to some FoW tourneys back in the day. I don't know if they stiull exist though.

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Ordered a bunch of WW1 Russians for westfront that could double as RCW, so figured I should have a go a scratch building some tchankas.

Finally have a use for the airfix royal horse artillery caissons

>>51134943
>cutting mat is a chess board
hmmm

>>51134993
knife to A3
Glue to C2
tchanka to F7
checkmate

>>51100227
Lads?

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>>51111151
>Horsedrawn
Would you care to elaborate on that? I think it's a very interesting subject. Nazi propaganda/pop culture always seemed to portray the German military as being highly mechanized, with big scary tanks and those famous motorcycles with the sidecar machine guns, but I read people saying pretty consistently that they mostly depended on horses.

>No plastic soviet naval infantry

Well fuck me.

>>51137202
What scale? there's a bunch in 1/72. There are BA kits in 28mm, I assume they're plastic too?

>>51137416

Metal. Was hoping to do some conversions where they had helmets. Hoped they were plastic and just as workable as the standard soviet infantry sprue. Nope though I was wrong.

Gonna just go with my soviet airborne then.

>>51137757
Yeah unfortunately 28mm lacks range and plastics.

>>51136967
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-wwii-german-army-was-80-horse-drawn-business-lessons-from-history/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_World_War_II#Germany

It was only a small portion of the entire army that was fully motorized, or armor.

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>>51131935
early war TO&E here:
http://balagan.info/soviet-rifle-brigade-oct-1941-to-jun-1942-in-crossfire

More general info: http://balagan.info/russian-naval-infantry-in-ww2

That naval commando book is here: http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=0ACCD18A5FC4185C7E263BF05A503EB2

Landings on the Kerch peninsula in 1943 vs the Germans and Romanians were a disaster. They were supported by M3 Stuart tanks, most of which didn't make it onto the beach

The Soviets did some more successful beach assaults in Finland in 1944 IIRC

>>51136967

The German military was constantly snapping up trucks and other vehicles from conquered territories because they didn't have enough domestic production. Their motorpool was fool of vehicles they plundered from Denmark to France to Russia. Even then, most of their forces relied on horse drawn wagons for supply purposes once away from a rail head.

Speaking of, does anyone actually make a German horse drawn artillery caisson in 28mm?

>>51136967
>they mostly depended on horses.
Horses and panzerschokolade, freund.

>>51132452
Nope. It's a rifle squad

>>51136967
>Nazi propaganda/pop culture always seemed to portray the German military as being highly mechanized, with big scary tanks and those famous motorcycles with the sidecar machine guns, but I read people saying pretty consistently that they mostly depended on horses.
Who knew the nazis could lie about something like that?
Also, it's frequently told on here because in every book regarding the german war machine it says so.

>>51136967
You might want to listen to this while your painting:

http://podtail.com/podcast/the-history-network/1510-horses-in-the-wehrmacht/

>>51142770
you're*

It's early in the morning.

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Clare Hollingworth, OBE (10 October 1911 – 10 January 2017) was an English journalist and author, who was the first war correspondent to report the outbreak of World War II, described as "the scoop of the century". Hollingworth had been working for less than a week when she was sent to Poland to report on worsening tensions in Europe. She persuaded the British Consul-General to lend her his chauffeured car for a fact-finding mission into Germany. While driving along the German–Polish border on 28 August, Hollingworth observed a massive build-up of German troops, tanks and armoured cars facing Poland, after the hessian screens concealing them were disturbed by wind. Her report was the main story on the Daily Telegraph's front page on the following day.

On 1 September, Hollingworth called the British embassy in Warsaw to report the German invasion of Poland. To convince doubtful embassy officials, she held a telephone out of the window of her room to capture the sounds of German forces.

She continued to report on the situation in Poland, and in 1940, by then working for the Daily Express, went to Bucharest, where she reported on King Carol II's forced abdication and the ensuing unrest. Her telephoned reports ignored censorship rules and she is reported to have once avoided arrest by stripping naked. In 1941 she went to Egypt, and subsequently reported from Turkey, Greece and Cairo. Her efforts were hampered by the fact that women war correspondents did not receive formal accreditation. After Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery took Tripoli in 1943, she was ordered to return to Cairo. Wishing to remain at the front lines, she went on to cover General Dwight D. Eisenhower's forces in Algiers, writing for the Chicago Daily News. She subsequently reported from Palestine, Iraq and Persia. During this time she became the first to interview the Shah of Iran.

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>>51144213
During the post-war decades, Hollingworth reported on conflicts in Palestine, Algeria, China, Aden and Vietnam. The BBC stated that although she was not the earliest woman war correspondent, "her depth of technical, tactical and strategic insight set her apart." The New York Times described her as "the undisputed doyenne of war correspondents". She amassed considerable expertise in military technology and – after pilot training during the 1940s – was particularly knowledgeable about aircraft.

In 1946, she and her husband Geoffrey Hoare were at the scene of the King David Hotel bombing in Jerusalem, which killed 91 people. She later was said to have refused to shake the hand of then-Irgun leader and later-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin because of his role in ordering the event. By 1950, she started to visit Algeria, and developed contacts with the Algerian National Liberation Front. She reported on the Algerian War in the early 1960s.

Early in 1963, still working for the Guardian, she was in Beirut and began to investigate Kim Philby, an Observer correspondent, uncovering that he had departed for Odessa on a Soviet ship. The Guardian's editor, Alastair Hetherington, fearing legal action, held up the story of Philby's defection for three months, before publishing her detailed account on 27 April 1963. His defection was subsequently confirmed by the government.

She was sent to Vietnam in 1967 order to cover the ongoing war there. In 1973, she became the Telegraph's China correspondent, the first since the formation of the People's Republic in 1949. She was the last person to interview the Shah of Iran; the journalist John Simpson commented that "She was the only person he wanted to speak to". In 1981 she retired and moved her base to Hong Kong, also spending time in Britain, France and China. In 1989, she observed the Tiananmen Square events from a hotel balcony.

She passed away today aged 105.

>>51136967

Every good book abour the German army will tell you that there were two German armies: the Panzerdivisionen, mechanized and motorized, with tanks, APCs and whatever, and the infantry divisions, that had jack shit, barely enough trucks to run, had to march, employ horses or if they were lucky trains, and got bad equipment like subpar AT guns and old captured equipment.

The vast majority of the germans had horses and feet, and that was it.

How many days did the Prussians last in 1806?

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>>51144473
Prussia mobilized on the 9th October 1806; Napoleon entered Berlin on the 27th of that month. But technically the war did not end until the meeting between Napoleon and the Czar in June 1807.

>>51144526
Cheers

>>51136040
I've never seen either of their nap ranges. However GHQ (both ships and land vehicle) are top quality but you pay the price.

>>51144668
>>51136040
We don't have many age-of-sail collecters here do we?

>>51131830
>>51133321
Drop me an email at 46thoffoot at gmail.com
No idea if triple helix have a shop, but I'm fine with heading up to Hampshire for a game.

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Not sure if this is the place to ask, but can anyone recommend any good material regarding life in Nazi Germany?

>>51144812
There's a few. Theyy pop up every now and then. I think the main problem is that he ships can be a right ballache to order.

>>51144273
Consider there were 25 odd panzer divisions and several hundred infantry divisions. For the average soldier, outside of key assault forces on important points, seeing a tank was probably rather rare

>>51132452
>>51142295

All options the book offers for the inex. rifle squad.
AT-grenades for example.

If you play with the 2nd Ed. Rules i think they have the option for an LMG, but maybe that was just a typo in the book.

>>51136967
Germany, like any nation, obviously would only show the most fancy stuff in the "news" and during parades. Like the Soviets did with the IS-3 in Berlin in 1945 or any modern military publishing pics on facebook these days. They won't show the beaten looking cold-war era stuff, they show high-res wallpapers of the newest shit ever. So there is that.

And since after WW2 the German Army was kinda hyped into oblivion (because the Allies had actually a hard time to beat them) German Wartime propaganda began to become true in the mindset of the victors. How else if not by fully mechanized could the Grande Army in 1940 been beaten?
By giving the germans this technological advantage many historians avoided to look at mistakes by the victors. Its simpler to say to the public "Oh, we lost because of the 100000 Tiger tanks" than to admit that there were severe strategical errors.
Hollywood and all the other WW2 movies didn't help here since next to none portrait the enemy as realistic.
Then there is the lack of military knowledge in general:
> those famous motorcycles with the sidecar machine guns
If people knew a little bit about military or weapons they wouldn't assume these were fired while driving and that this is just an easy way to store the Lmg so they could quickly use it after dismounting.
But of course it looks so much cooler on artworks if they are firing while cruising down a dusty road.
This applies to so many aspects of WW2, not only the Germans and their "mechanized" army.

>>51144221
Amazing lady with an amazing history

>>51144944
Do you speak german?

>>51144221
WOW

hi /hwg/

For my BoltAction/Konflikt47 Soviets I decided to have a light autocannon. Does anyone know a model for the 72-K 25mm gun?
Failing that, is it possible to use a german/finnish 20mm flak, given they have exactly the same rules (liberated equipment)? Which would you recommend and how to convert the crew?

>>51146442
They were rare, but once a Panther unit had to drive somewhere you could see the flames and smoke for a considerable distance.

>>51147348
>And since after WW2 the German Army was kinda hyped into oblivion (because the Allies had actually a hard time to beat them) German Wartime propaganda began to become true in the mindset of the victors. How else if not by fully mechanized could the Grande Army in 1940 been beaten?
It's not just that, it's that the Western Allies went full wehraboo when it came to the new Soviet enemy. "What that, Hans? Ten million conscripts, and your beautiful Tiger destroyed three divisions of enemy armour before being forced to retreat before the human wave, only half of which had rifles? Tell us more!"

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>>51148179
Exactly, and there are a couple more factors playing into this as well.

>>51147587
There is pic related kit in 1:48. The scale difference won't be noticeable for a small gun like this.

> how to convert the crew?

Get a box of plastic soviets (or use some of the sprues you already might have) and use the bodies and arms from it. Its super easy and depending on your experience and skill with green stuff even very advanced converted poses can be achieved.


Soviet Artillery is still something thats severely lacking in 28mm. Apparently german vehicles sell so well, its always more economical for tiny companies to release the 20th version of a Panzer or Tiger on the already filled market instead of releasing something that is actually missing. Wargamers (and scale modeller alike) are strange people.

>>51144944
history section of your local library

not trying to be smug or anything, but really, life in Nazi Germany is a very, very commonly found subject in history sections the world over

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>>51144812
I want to get into Anglo-Dutch wars some time in the future, but I got too many other projects right now. If I did decide to learn a system right now, it would have to be using my old Pirates of the Spanish Main stuff.

>>51148532
This is right, can't move for the stuff. That and WW1
- Someone who works in his local library

>>51144904
sent

>>51149557
British? WW1 is hardly acknowledged in the US

>>51148154
Heh

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Heavy German things arriving.

Anything I should know about painting the resin model? can I just prime it as usual or need to do some kind of special cleaning?

>The mörsers dont have the track cladding on the wheels
looks like I'm going to be making it out of balsa wood then... its one of the definitive features of the 21cm mörser so gotta have it!

>>51153570
Wash with warm soapy water. Resin tends to have more issues with mold-release residue than plastic. You'll probably need some filler putty such as greenstuff or Testors contour putty to fix minor details like air bubble pockets. If thin parts are bent, put in hot water until the resin softens, straighten the part then let cool.

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>>51153702
cheers. Dont seem to be any major defects, I could rebuild a small pipe that cracked but should be an easy enough fix with greenstuff

It was the only A7V I could find online as no one seems to stock the Emhar A7V. It was pretty cheap though, 8 GBP or something.

Its a pity no one makes the 42cm mörser in 1/72...

Do we have copy of basic impetus 2? I couldn't see it in the folders. Cheers!

>>51153570
>WWI Germans
Very nice, please keep us posted

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>>51154147
Buffing out my 1/72 Germans for Westfront, starting to amass a size-able force:

I should end up with:
11 platoons of regulars in pickelhaube (22 bases)
20 bases of strosstruppen, many in gasmasks
4 77mm Feldkanone 16
9 Machine Gun teams (more if anon from here sends me some of his old MG minis)
A7V
2 X 21cm Morser

Should be plenty, although finishing all the infantry will take me some time!

>>51153886
I don't think it's even out yet.

Or if it is, it's only just happened.

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>>51148266
Get the Zevezda kit, it's an easier build

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bump

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>>51147348
How did a motorcycle battalion typically operate circa 1941 or so? Were they basically dragoons? Drop off the bikes behind the nearest hill then advance the final distance as normal infantry?

GAZ-469

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>>51160401
They were really only on the bikes to keep up with the recce vehicles, so yes in a sense Kradschutzen were modern dragoons. Actually in 1941 they were part of the infantry component of their parent unit, but from 1942 on became separate recce units under command of the divisional HQ. I've looked into this before, it seems all the really good books on the subject are German. They were common in the desert too, the Italians and the Afrikakorps made extensive use of motorcycle infantry.

>>51162183
Why are the bricks bleeding? Bricks dont just make pools of brick dust under themselves...

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>>51162228
That is the distinctive work of a German gamer called Moiterei, he does all his bases like that.

>>51162247
the broken chips I can understand, but its still pretty overkill. Bricks dont tend to completely dissolve into dust when they hit the ground. They'll break up, and you might see some large chunks, but you're not going to get whole bricks with magic dust all around them. The dust tends to get blown away and your left with large and medium sized chunks, assuming the brick broke.

I never quite understood the skin style that makes everyone look like leatherface or Kryten either...

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>>51162183
that sounds a lot more boring then motorcycle platoons could be

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>>51162828
They had such high hopes too

>>51162281
Just pretend they're allied mess tins that have been sabotaged with liberal coatings of chilli powder to prevent their capture by the Germans. Germany never modernised their Spicy Warfare programs to keep up with the Western allies anyway.

>>51159884
It's a shame INSAS is such a shitty rifle, since it looks kinda cool

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Sources, ideas and refs to chinese armies:

http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/100th-post-p1.html

http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/101st-post-p2.html

>>51162928
Cover: how does it work?

>>51157762
What Zvezda kit Anon? I'm not aware of any 1/48 (or 1/56) kits for ground vehicles in their entire range.
The 1/72 kit they have might be easier to build (building kits is fun btw), but won't help if the guy i replied to wants to play in 28mm.

>>51160401
>>51162183

Just transportation.

Of course motorbikes were used for recon and messenger duties as well, but your typical "Kradschützen"-Squad was just a regular squad of Infantry who happened to be lucky enough to get motorcycles for mobility.

>>51166482
Oh I missed that he was looking for 1:48. I didn't know UM even made anything outside 1/72.

>>51166902
UM has only a couple kits in that scale though. Some soviet trucks, armored cars and that AA gun. I have yet to try their quality though but i'm watching a BA-6 on ebay right now.

>>51166969
Try here rather than waiting for ebay.
http://www.hobby.dn.ua/plastic-armour-plastic-armour-148-scale-c-87.html
I have dealt with these guys for many years - fast, efficient and honest. Everything the Post Office is not..... :-)

>>51166969
The 1/72 kits are somewhat complex but mostly build up into nice models. I'd probably go with S Model for T26s but the UM hetzer and SU76 are nice kits.

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What are the better miniatures rules for Special Forces operations and other infantry firefight shit with some vehicle support?

I was looking at some Spectre minis but those guys are almost always out of stock when I have money. But when I assemble enough of them I want to have rules to use because their rules apparently kinda blow.

>>51165628
In other words Osprey is a shit source.

>>51169054
Infantry firefight around platoon size I'd recommend No End In Sight as it's a good system with a lot of complex elements of firefights covered in a set of simple, easily understandable mechanics.

For smaller fights I think maybe a FiveCore system, someone else can recommend those as I've never played. But they sure have come up a lot in this thread;.

>>51170002
Thanks, I've played FiveCore with sci-fi guys and own No End In Sight. So I'll get reading it.

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>>51165628
>>51169335
Wait. Wait. Did the chinese really had medieval bulldozers?

>Chong Di Tie Tou Che (沖敵鐵頭車, lit. 'Enemy-charging iron headed wagon')
> Like its namesake, it is a four-wheeled wagon with an iron plough mounted at the front
>spearhead assault against enemy formation or encampment, using its heavy frontal armour to protect other troops from enemy arrows, firearms and even small cannons, as well as clearing various obstacles and barricades such as caltrops, abatises and cheval de frise. Although Chong Di Tie Tou Che is not a true battering ram, it can still ram down palisades and other light fortifications using its heavy plough.
This is some cool shit.

>>51169335
>In other words Osprey is a shit source.

Eh, I think he's a bit too hard on Osprey personally, but some of their shit has more inaccuracy than others by far.

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>>51170571
>Wait. Wait. Did the chinese really had medieval bulldozers?
You have to remember while these contraptions(some of which were highly impractical) existed the state might not have the resources or willpower to mass produce them.

>>51171153
>Eh, I think he's a bit too hard on Osprey personally
In the case of Osprey's the author clearly doesn't know how Chinese armor was worn(hence the woodblock print being mistaken as actual armor).

Chinese sources are extremely limited in scope and mainly detail the Imperial Garrisons rather than China as a whole(so a problem of extrapolation rather than historical inaccuracy).

>>51169054
I'm a fan of Force on Force though it doesn't get a lot of love here. I have yet to play No End in Sight though.

>>51171706
I used to play a lot of FoF and would recommend it. But then I got NEIS and enjoyed it way more for doing the same thing but far easier with way less bullshit to remember.

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Finally got to play another game of Naval War tonight; a demo game with the owner of my FLGS.

It was also the first time I would be fielding battleships; my previous battles were mostly cruiser engagements with some guest appearances from carriers.

This time, I was to command HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Hood in their historical battle versus Bismarck and Prinz Eugen.

A detailed battle report will follow later, but things were quite interesting for a battle with only two ships per side.

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>>51171307
>You have to remember while these contraptions(some of which were highly impractical) existed the state might not have the resources or willpower to mass produce them.
He mentions stuff like that.
>Nevertheless, despite being a fast (for a wagon) and heavily armoured assault weapon, it is still quite sluggish, and requires support and protection from other troops to function properly. Given the sorry state of Ming armies during its twilight years, it was most likely that this wagon never saw actual deployment.

He also has an section only to impractical weapons.
>Fei Kong Sha Tong (飛空砂筒, lit. 'Flying sand tube') is a very unique rocket that is designed to release poisoned sand to blind enemy soldiers.
>This weapon can supposedly fly to its target with its first rocket, detonate the payload, and then return to its sender with its second rocket.
>Needless to say, it is totally impractical, not to mention completely pointless.
>Even if the weapon somehow always work as intended, a returning Fei Kong Sha Tong will only cause confusion on other friendly troops, as there is no way to tell apart a returning Fei Kong Sha Tong from an actual rocket launched from the other side.
This is downright orky.

He is quite impartial, noting ups and downs of the weapons, tactics and so on.

It's also interesting to know that at least one type of repeating crossbow was meant to be fired from the hip, and was more comparable to a shotgun than a machinegun like so everybody seems to think.

>>51173094
>He is quite impartial, noting ups and downs of the weapons, tactics and so on.
Oh,my criticism are for existing Chinese publications not his blog.

Shame this didn't come out earlier as current 15/28mm Ming ranges use Ospreys.

>tactics
As far as tactics goes,some of the manuals themselves are largely theoretical.

Their implementation would depend on the local commander.(Qi Jiguang's Ji garrison reforms were only partially implemented,if taken at face value the Ming would have taken the offensive to the Mongols/Oirats.)

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>>51172877
As a bit of a teaser, here's one of the pics I took early in the battle.

Guesses for the final result?

>>51173094
This is really fascinating stuff; I've always been a fan of Imjin War era shit on all sides, in particular.

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>>51174037
>Imjin War era shit on all sides.
Unfortunately, even the Chinese and Koreans don't really give a damn about historical accuracy.

I have yet to see anyone depict the Imjin era Ming soldiers with period accurate armaments.

>>51174257
Mounted infantry from Guyuan border garrison c1575

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>>51174257
>I have yet to see anyone depict the Imjin era Ming soldiers with period accurate armaments.

I presume mostly long spears, dao swords, the occasional polearm (instead of POLEARMS FOREVER), crossbows and arquebuses?

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>>51174390
>pikes
>swords
>bows
>light artillery
Universal

>crossbows
Only used by a southwestern contingent lead by Liu Ting(so 5,000 out of 40,000~ in the first expeditionary force or 5,000 out of 60,000-80,000~ in the later half)

>arquebuses
>Far rarer than the three eyed and quick gun.
iirc there were 3,000(firearm division) out of 49,600(excluding Liao) soldiers from Shanhai pass that were mobilized.

This 49,600 was somehow whittled down to 30,000-35,000~ even when adding Liao garrison forces.(I'm guessing some stayed on the Ming border,refused to commit or arrived late).

>I have more of an issue with armors than equipment.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBzypib7p-s
>ex Qi Jiguang/Zhejiang soldiers were described as wearing white turbans and multicolored cloth/paper surcoats.

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>>51172877
Nice. Looking forward to the read.any idea what's been going on with the forum? It says it's down for maintenance the past couple of days.

>>51174671
>Far rarer than the three eyed and quick gun.

Huh. That means Impetus kinda got it right with their Imjin era Ming firearms troops using handgonne stats rather than arquebus stats.

>>51174257
How much did chinese equipment change over the period roughly corresponding to Europe's Middle Ages?

>>51174713
>Imjin era Ming firearms troops using handgonne stats
This is really only applicable to armies from the northern border garrisons(Even the border garrisons were far from uniform).

My google fu fails me do you have a list available?

>>51174758
>How much did chinese equipment change over the period roughly corresponding to Europe's Middle Ages?
I'm not qualified to answer this question,so take my words as conjecture.

Post Song there's a decline in glaives/awlpikes/specialized sabers to counter cataphracts and the rise of independent firearm divisions(which replaced crossbows).

A gradual replacement of multi-piece lamellar in favor of textile based armors(Mongol technology,cotton industry and firearms).

The early Ming wei suo(hereditary military system) is superseded by mercenaries(Though this seems to be a common trend in Chinese history).

As far as organization,logistics and tactics goes I'm not well read enough to form an honest opinion.

>>51174995
Interesting, sadly I've fallen into the Eurocentric trap of sort of viewing most of Chinese history a bit monolithically.

>>51174995
>My google fu fails me do you have a list available?

Not right now but I can tell you that it covers a fairly wide variety of troop types, including non-Han Chinese auxiliaries and whatnot. I think it does still overdo polearms some. But then again, a lot of Impetus' rules are fairly generalized (they all count as "long spears" in the game's abstraction) to be able to represent the widest variety of eras and nations.

>>51175026
>viewing most of Chinese history a bit monolithically.
Most Chinese couldn't tell apart armaments from different periods(Hence the "Song" aesthetic being used to represent soldiers from the Three Kingdoms).

>>51175097
>Not right now but I can tell you that it covers a fairly wide variety of troop types, including non-Han Chinese auxiliaries and whatnot. I think it does still overdo polearms some. But then again, a lot of Impetus' rules are fairly generalized (they all count as "long spears" in the game's abstraction) to be able to represent the widest variety of eras and nations.
If it's anything like Field of Glory I'd expect "nomadic" cavalry,crossbows,rocket launchers and an incredible amount of unarmored infantry.

>>51173814
RIP hood

>>51175318
Yeah, those are all available.

>>51175592
Mm-hmm. Though artillery is even more abstract in places and light infantry can be depicted as unarmored or just lightly armored depending on your models.

>>51174694

What ship is that? The one settling by the stern. GIS is coming back with no matching results.

The tripod mast is making me think RN, but that's the wrong colors for RN, and the turrets and superstructure look more French than British. In comparison, the KGV superstructure juts further forward, and the Iron Dukes have more mast above the spotting position, (though I guess it could have been shot away in whatever fight that ship was in).

The only think I can guess is that that it's a French Bretagne-class. French gun turrets and a forward-canted tripod mast only appeared on that ship, AFAIK, but there's not enough of the rest of the ship visible for a confirmation.

>>51176478
your correct

french battleship Provence at the raid on Mers-el-Kébir

>>51176603

Neat.

I had thought that Provence's turrets had been removed for use as shore batteries. IIRC I have an image specifically to that effect. I'll have to go poke into my records. Thanks!

>>51176478
It's either Provence or Bretagne seen from the deck of the other at Mers El Kebir, if I remember correctly. Had saved a couple pics of the class on my phone to make a (bad) attempt at adding the tripod mast and extra superstructure to the war at sea sculpt that was inexplicably pre-upgrades. If I get a chance, I'll look when I get back to my computer tomorrow, I think I had a copy there with a filename.

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>>51174671
>>51174390
>>51174257

Much later and slightly off topic, Foundry produced some excellent books on 19th century armies, at least one volume was on China and there might have been a second one on Japan/Korea. Out of print and very expensive. I don't know if a scan exists.

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>>51169054
Skirmish Sangin? I haven't played it myself but it's supposed to be a handful of guys per side. I know there's a scan of it out there somewhere if it's not in the OP.

>>51176952
That is one happy baby

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The British pound is at a 30-year low vs the US dollar and metals are almost entirely traded in USD. Additionally a couple large zinc mines in Ireland and Australia recently closed without equivalent production coming online until 2018+
Im predicting that many UK-based companies will raise prices in the next year to so. I'm, bentioning this here since so many /hwg/ companies are based in the UK.

>>51177466
It's a pressing concern for me not so much in the cost of metals as I mostly play in 6mm so cheap will stay cheap even if the price doubles and an increase in costs might help win a few converts from 28mm if I am really lucky(to be selfish about it) but for a few things I want to import from the US I'm thinking I really should bite the bullet and get now despite the poor exchange rate (UK-side) before things get more unpredictable in a couple of months.

Have any of you guys played Combat Patrol? They just put out a pdf for using the rules for Napoleonic stuff. I've been itiching for a good, fun, not too bogged down in bullshit Napoleonic ruleset. I've seen SDS and Sharpe Practice already, but never heard of this one.

Are there any time periods that don't really have any minis lines for them, but you would want to see one exist?

/hwg/ tell me about the NKVD. Were they essentially the soviet SS?

>>51179745

Hell, no - they were even worse:

SS began as internal-security REMF, but was based enough to serve on the frontlines & become one of the most iconic German units.

NKVD were total internal-security REMF pussies who killed only Russians - no frontline duties for them.

>>51179946

Well there goes that bolt action army idea.

>>51179946
>SS began as internal-security REMF, but was based enough to serve on the frontlines & become one of the most iconic German units.
wew

SS were good at killing women and children, but a lot of units were fucking incompetent at fighting and only really good at dying, wasting tons of equipment and supplies. They didn't even achieve their goals by dying.

Osprey - OWG 016 - The Men Who Would Be Kings.pdf
http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/BzVYfRM7/file.html

>>51180058
Cheers

>>51179963

Well, you can still get Commisars in your army, can't you?
They're basically the same shit ...

>>51179969

Considering the German army as a whole went to shit in early 1942 when Hitler took direct command over it ... yeah, they were the best of it.
tl;dr: they were the all-time-champions in the "Dying for Your Fatherland" category.

>>51180077
They were plenty trash before 1942, read up on SS unit performance in the early war. Generally achieved less than proper units, slower and with far higher casualty rates. This trend continued throughout the entire war with the exception of a handful of elite divisions like Wiking or Leibstandarte.

>>51180150
Sure, but Wiking and Leibstandarte are iconic and what people think about when they think WW2 a lot of the time.

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>>51180058
Jolly good

The Men Who Would Be Kings

The Men Who Would Be Kings is a set of rules designed for fighting historical or Hollywood colonial battles in the mid to late 19th Century, from the Indian Mutiny to the Boxer Rebellion. Large scale colonial clashes tended to be one-sided affairs, but there are countless reports of brief, frantic skirmishes in every colonial war, where either side could be victorious, and these are the battles that The Men Who Would Be Kings seeks to recreate. Although focusing on the British colonial wars against the Zulu, Maori and others, these rules will also permit players to explore the empires of France, Germany, and other nations, as well as allowing for battles between rival native factions. Gameplay is very simple, and is driven by the quality of the officers leading your units, in the true spirit of Victorian derring-do and adventure, where larger than life characters such as the (real) Fred Burnaby and the (fictional) Harry Flashman led their troops to glory and medals or a horrible end at the point of a spear tip.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g4x8fqitxervyr4/The+Men+Who+Would+Be+Kings.pdf

>>51180150

>read up on SS unit performance

I have - that's my whole point.

They were the first shit units - and when the rest of the army went to shit, they came to be on top by the right of seniority ... and a shitload of propaganda.

Basically, they were the political troops - and we all know how the politicos (exceptions notwithstanding) perform on the battlefield.

>>51179745
The SS was totally fucking useless, though some of the local recruit units were marginally useful, but the NKVD was about the same, if not worse. Good at murdering unarmed poles and ukrainians, but shit in actal combat

>>51180058
>>51180237
Nice, love that leaders attributes table... What a mustache!

Watching Khartoum (1966) to celebrate

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>>51179946
>killed only Russians
Anon, don't forget the rest of the CCCP, and Polish officers.

>>51179963
You can still do NKVD border guards, which took part in combat during the winter war, and during the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa.

>>51181050

>Anon, don't forget the rest of the CCCP, and Polish officers.

Okay, yeah, you're right: I should've been more specific.

Errata: NKVD killed only safely unarmed & non-resisting targets.

>>51181171
NKVD did actually fight though
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=97939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_NKVD_Division_(Soviet_Union)

>>51179946
>who killed only Russians
I have several dead relatives who would take a bit of exception to that statement.
Remember, the Destruction Battalions were still operating after the conquest from the germans and after the end of the war

>>51174694
>any idea what's been going on with the forum? It says it's down for maintenance the past couple of days.
Apparently it was indeed maintenance that got a bit delayed.
It's up again now.

>>51175440
>RIP hood
You'll find the outcome of the battle interesting, then.

>>51179946
>NKVD were total internal-security REMF pussies who killed only Russians - no frontline duties for them.
One of the chief duties of the Red Commissariat was at the frontlines - gunning down the retreating cowards.

>>51181050
>don't forget the rest of the CCCP, and Polish officers.
Hell, Blokhin made world record out of it!

Well, two battleships going vs a battleship and heavy cruiser would without further context be firmly in favor of the battleship duo.

>>51179946

Lol. NKVD troops took action in several different engagements, even if they were rarely employed en-masse. For example, Crimean liberation offensives.

And they were kinda shit troops, as most had no direct experience and were there for political reliability.

And thinking of the SS as "based" reveals you as a Nazi. Furthermore, SS performance was also heavily dependant on era and equipment: I'll never get where the myth of the SS as supersoldiers comes from. All the sources I get paint them as your average German unit, bar some elite formations. If not even worse, as the ethnic units ranged from good to laughable.

>>51179963

For the scale of BA actions, a NKVD is a good and proper idea. Prob is, they aren't GOOD troops. It's merely a theme.

>>51181585
Catherine Merridale in Ivan's War states that this is overstated and only happened once or twice in the whole war. If a unit retreated the officers would be court martialled but the normal soldiers would mostly just be redoployed to the front.

Good book by the way, Ivan's War.

>>51182197
Nice quote for ya

> A report to Beria on October 10, 1941 says that since the beginning of the war the NKVD barrier troops stopped 657,364 lost or deserted personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested and 10,201 shot.

NKVD personnel seperated panic mongers from retreating troops and arrested the guys inciting retreat instead of the good guys.

>>51169054

Spectre's rules are enjoyable but quite gamey.

I'll throw in another vote for skirmish sangin

>>51179381
I don't actually think there's many that have no miniatures whatsoever, just very limited ranges.

As for me, I'd give my left nut for hard plastic Garland Wars aztecs.

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>>51179381
I've tried searching around for different ideas, but I havent been caught out yet. I had thought some of the relatively obscure South African stuff like the Wars of the Triple Alliance and the Pacific, or forgotten colonial affairs like the expedition to Tibet, would be missing - but nope, there are minis for them alright, albeit from only a single supplier in some cases. Over time, stuff like DBx rules meant there were a lot of diverse minis produced for a range of armies, and that's built up over time.

>>51183450
>South African
whoops, I mean South American

How do you guys paint the back of shields?

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Anyone tried/had a look at swordpoint yet? Looks kinda interesting but they've released virtually zero hard info on how the game runs and no one else seems to have reviewed it properly yet. Really want to find a fun mass battle game but I've been struggling to find a ruleset I like so far.

>>51183493
With brushes and acrylics.

Gotta be a bit more specific than that, mate.

>>51183450
Are you looking for something to sculpt?

>>51183535
There is a lot of info to be found in this thread.. If you don't mind combing out all the childish whining about the base sizes not matching the SAGA conventions. :)

http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=94441.30

>>51183493
Either completely black if there isn't any of it in plain sight (waste of time if you cant see it from the tabletop anyway) or otherwise some wood grain pattern in case of wooden shields.

>>51179963
The Bolt Action Armies of the USSR has an entry for NKVD squad.

Regular Infantry with rifles

all can get SMG
1LMG
can be fanatics

>>51179381
Yes.
Soviet Artillery, second world war in 28mm see >>51147587 and answers


45mm/57mm AT and Zis-3 exists
DShk exists in some places but may still be economically worthwile
everything else I haven't found:
AA guns
72-K 25mm; 61-K 37mm; 52-K 85mm
AT guns:
BS3 100mm
Howitzers
A-19 122mm/ML-20 152mm

>>51183668
Thanks for that. I think I'll hold out until they release some actual promo material for the game, not really willing to risk 20 pounds on something that may be complete garbage, seeing as the reviews are pretty mixed and basically "mildly positive" at best.

>>51183493
Just flat brown or dark red. Shields were either wooden or faced with leather, so no complicated stuff here. Half the time you can't see the back of it anyway and even when you can just a glimpse of brown is enough for it to not be jarring.

Of course, if they're going on display then you detail it to look like the material.

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>>51180311
>Good at murdering unarmed poles and ukrainians, but shit in actal combat

You have a very weird way of looking at military combat. Discipline in an army is essential. Look at the middle eastern militias today, can't barely hold anything but their own village. They are full of bravery and bravado but that doesn't make for an all conquering army like the Reds were back in 1944 and 1945. Discipline does and it is an essential ingredient. Sometimes it is enforced by putting scarier things than the enemy in the back.

>>51180218
Those people are kind of stupid and laser-focused on the shiniest part of Nazi propaganda, which doesn't really say good things about them.

>>51182197
Yeah - basically they were a fair way behind the front line, and there to take retreating soldiers and reorganise them. Some back to their unit, others whose unit was gone went to other units. People who'd fucked up or obviously deserted might get sent to a punishment unit, which was hardly a death sentence and definitely not permanent, and officers better have a good excuse, but there was about one short period in the war where they actually did the whole SHOOT THE RETREATERS thing and they were told to knock that shit off because it wasn't helping.

They kept a lot of (pretty detailed and accurate) records - you can see the tiny percentage of soldiers punished for retreating, which certainly makes it look like they did a bit more than just retreat.

Of course, having units to reorganise retreating soldiers is a pretty universal thing... but Nazi propaganda always wins.

>>51185908
pic related

>>51186518
nyet anon, glorious mother russia uses big tanks, not tankettes, however cute they may be

https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/new-releases/products/kv1-2-plastic-box-set

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The next Naval War battle report is up at the Marqod blogspot.

Find out how right (or wrong) your predictions were now!

What mini maker makes the best looking late Classical/early Post-Classical miniatures?

>>51187253
define 'classical' and scale you're looking for pls

>>51111151
Holy shit you illiterate fuck, nope. Just the Germans and not even all the time

Care to cite that Blatant bullshit? If not, stop spreading misinformation.

>>51187332
400-500 A.D, and 6mm-10mm scale.

>>51187468
Wut

>>51187497
Possibly Baccus then for large 6mm, they do pretty nice stuff.

>>51187580
What about for something like 15mm?

>>51183535
>http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=94441.30
I have the iBooks copy they gave out to WI Prime members. I find I like the game for its clarity and the gameplay. I will be investing in a hardcopy in the coming weeks.
For the most part it is based similarly to Crusader and dice are rolled per base. I will be happy to get away from the 60mm frontage poison that has held too many gamers in purgatory for over two decades now. Also many WAB players used multibases (eg 40x40 with 4 figures) as even we used to get fed up with the individual basing. :-)

>>51187468
Calm down there autismo

>>51180237
Many thanks for the conversion from Zippyshare. :-)

>>51187615
Dunno, been a long while since I looked into 15mm

>>51182158
>I'll never get where the myth of the SS as supersoldiers comes from

You sort of said it yourself. They had a couple of elite formations and were all at least trained and exhorted to be ultra-fanatical, even if this didn't pan out when they actually got into combat. The Allies were aware of this, thus the myth got started.

>>51187141
Nice! I've yet to haul out any battle wagons or carriers just yet, but they sound like a blast. I'd taken a hiatus from all things gaming over the holidays, but I hope that I'll be able to get in another solo game soon.

>>51189683
I'm hoping to bring a Force Z list against some IJN in the near future to see how a force with at least one BB does against one of just cruisers and DDs.

Alternately, I might add some Kongous on the IJN side.

>>51179946
>SS
>based
Pick one you fucking faggot

>>51179745
I have 12 NKVD troops waiting to be painted. Their uniform is baller so I'm stoked.

>>51183941
>Howitzers
I use the Heavy Howitzer from Mad Bob miniatures since the russians had them by the shitload. It looks awesome and I really recommend it.

>>51180150
>This trend continued throughout the entire war

It didn't though. Overall the performance of SS and Wehrmacht was equal. In Russia their losses were significantly lower than the Wehrmachts:

>Dabei lag im Ostkrieg, wo die Waffen-SS ihre schwersten Verluste erlitt, die Quote der tödlichen Verluste (rund 37 Prozent) weit niedriger als die Verlustquote der Wehrmacht (60 Prozent).

(On the eastern front where the SS suffered their highest losses, the quote of deadly losses (around 37%) was far less than the losses of the Wehrmacht (60%).

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#Verluste

You are just talking out of your ass, as always when it comes to your ramblings about WW2.

Over the whole war the casualty rates of the Waffen SS were similar to the casualty rates of the Wehrmacht.

>>51179381
WW2, minor nations.

>>51190577
Bruh, you can find almost everything in 1:72 and 15mm.

>>51190577
ww2 is one of the most covered periods of all though. You can find hungarians, finns, chinese, australians even.

>>51186628
Not that i need KV tanks (i have a KV-1 and KV-2 by Tamiya in 1:48 already) in 28mm but that is really an awesome deal. A kinda big tank, 2 turret options, stat cards, markers and a sprue of soldiers for the price of a regular medium tank. Not bad at all. Hopefully they continue with that trend.

>>51190518
>In Russia their losses were significantly lower than the Wehrmachts:
Gee, whoda thunk that running away and forcing the whermacht to cover your retreat and fight to the death against superior forces while you run would give you lower casualty rates?

>>51190610
I don't care for those scales though. 28mm is the only way.

>>51190633
What did you say earlier?

>read up on SS unit performance in the early war.

How about you do that for the eastern front?

>>51190635
Well, sucks to be you, then.

>>51190635
28mm is terrible for WW2.

>>51190518
Any idea how they compare if you take Stalingrad out of the accounting?

>>51191076
Couple of good pointers here:
https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Waffen-SS-an-extraordinarily-effective-fighting-force-Why

The SS had great morale and often had the best equipment, but they tended to get overused and overextended.

There's also a wide variety of quality within the SS, some are extremely competent soldiers, some were conscripted criminals or inexperienced foreigners.

>>51185973

This anon speaks the truth. Okay let's say you are Pvt. Ivan Ivanovich in some Red Army unit. Doesn't even have to front line infantry. Maybe you're a cook or you fetch and carry and work in the motor pool or you work as a clerk in the battalion HQ. Whatever. It's 1942, your position is being overrun by the Germanic hordes and your officer tells you and your buddies to get out of there. In all the confusion you and your comrades are separated from your unit and wander back further into the rear hoping to find someone to tell you where to go. Ah ha, there is a fellow in blue trousers and a blue cap with a submachinegun or pistol, he probably has a higher rank that you. He and his men round you and your comrades up, ask what your unit is, where you've been, where you're going, etc. Once he figures that out, in most case he directs you to a unit collection point where your unit is supposed to reform and collect itself or sends you to a collection point for stragglers until your unit can be found and they ship you back.

>>51190423
Where'd you get them? I really want to do. Border Guards in '41 list.

>>51192118
Heh, you don't really know how the Soviet Union worked, do you.

>>51192212

I just follow the historical record on this. It's a fanciful bit of writing, but historical AL fact is that the vast majority of the time stragglers etc. were returned to their units not machine gunned or executed out of hand.

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On an unrelated note, painted my FIW British line infantry (bases still to go).

No news on my last Warlord Games purchase for the community project, I guess they're still casting it.

>>51192539
looks good but their hats look very muddy, is that intentional?

>>51192643
Not really. I started with a wet brown wet wash over black. I could go back and re-blacken them, more like the second along. I'm pretty happy with how the reds and yellows came out though. Might redo the white gaiters too.

But that's a Sunday evening project...

>>51192212
Blocking detachments were absolutely not the norm in the Red Army.

>>51193196
lol they were a standard feature of all Red Army divisions for at least a year. How many people they shot is debatable, but they certainly didn't punish retreaters and deserters with this slap on the wrist shit.

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>>51192539
Working on my own Indians tonight too