Cadia gets blown up

>>51090887
we know

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>>51090887
Does he get his hands back as a reward? His fancy warcraft sword won't wield iself.

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>>51090887

What happened to the pylons ?

My understanding is that chaos forces (mainly) went in and out of the Eye via Cadia because it was much safer/more reliable than going out in any other direction. But it was only safer because of Necron pylons that were on Cadia.

Remove Cadia and Chaos loses the pylons that are holding their safe/reliable route open.

>>51091247

He takes Creeds hand

>>51090887

What I dont get is if Chaos saw the diminishing light of the emperor why didnt the Imperials see the power of the warp going away?

>>51090887
how is anyone supposed to take Abby seriously when he has that ridiculous topknot?

just look at it! jesus

>>51091573
Pylons activated
Chaos demons go poof, possessed in pain, chaos marines lose chaos buffs, problem is they are still marines.
celestine becomes a mortal woman, allied psykers killed or incapacitated, oh and void shieds protecting planet go poof.

Abbadon nearly kills creed, gets backstabbed by celestine, he teleports away, pylons manage to shrink eye, overload and explode the planet. The end.

>>51091625
Psykers, short of Navigators, have nothing to do with the Emperor. They get their power from the warp. The pylons going into overdrive acted like a Pariah, blotting out the warp completely.

>>51091609
What, like in marriage?

>>51091660

>problem is they are still marines.

but didnt the Imperials have

>Space Marines
>Imperial Guard
>Tempestus Scions
>Skritali
>Knights

I know CSM are heresy tier trained space marines that can kill like 500 dudes and shit but really?

You know what im not even gonna argue new lore anymore in these threads make me to angry and atleast 5e lore makes sense this new shit is fucking making me hate 40k

>>51091660
> Pylons screw with everything involving the warp
> Teleporters are warp based so shouldn't work
> Creed pulls out a teleporter that still works.

>>51091736
They reverse engineered ork telyportas.

>>51091720
Yes but if Chaos was negatively affected by being cut off from the warp, you'd just kill the chaos circlejerk in GW's writing room.

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>>51091720
>>51091720

Your also forgetting Sisters of Battle

nu40k lore is poorly written garbage designed to appease to autists who wanted a story moving shit forward . I have yet to find anyone who likes any of this shit.

Like Cadia could have still blown up that would have been awesome and grimdark but from the pages we have read this shit wouldnt even get a C in a creative writing class.

>>51090887
Did Creed and Celestine get out alive? or they dead.

>>51091780
>Trayzen: Turn on the Pylons
>The Imperium: Ok, xenos.
>Cadia explodes
>Trayzen: Oops
The End

I'd say the biggest joke is that Cadia didn't even get rekt by chaos, if it weren't for the fact that getting cut off from the warp screwed the Imperium and helped chaos.

>>51091780
The problem isn't 'the bad guys win,' because we all know that Abaddon had to win eventually for the story to progress.

The problem was that it was such an anticlimax.

>>51091805

Newcronfag here Trayzen is pants on head retarded all of the necron royalty legitimately does not know how to use their own fucking technology they only care as long as it works. So you got Trayzen going to Cadia acting like the average 4chan poster saying he defiantly knows how this shit works. Only he doesn't and really needed a cryptek which he forgot to bring.

Just like how Abbadon and Creed forgot about their fucking armies.

>>51091736
>Creed
>Abby*

>>51091896

Oh you see Abbadon felt the warp was leaving the minute he pulled the teleporter out

>>51091924

The whole "Cadia is shut from the Warp but somehow the Chaos is less affected than the Imperium. Also Abbadon teleport anyway."

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Laurie Goulding here.
You guys are just plebs don't appreciate our genius.

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>>51090887


I feel like this shits on Imperial,Chaos, AND Necron fags at the same time.

Each side showed pants on head retardation and I really doubt the rest of the book is any better even if it ditches herohammer wanking.

I have seen short paragraphs in codexes carry more weight than this shit.

>>51091247
>His fancy warcraft sword won't wield iself.
I honestly wouldn't be too sure about that.

>>51090887
The fucking Magos could just activated the Pylons, push the eye back, then crumble to the micro fissures mention in the eye of terror campaign.

Pylons gone, eye push back a bit. No pylons means the eye can expand freely. Abaddon sets a foothold in Cadia. Next book Take Cadia Back.

But we got retarded story instead.

>>51091247

He got stabbed in the back and teleported away

He's now spineless for all intents and purposes

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>>51092015
I wish this wasn't an accurate statement

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>>51090887

Is it okay if I dont listen to this?

Ill just stick to the 40k in my head.....

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So do we have any news on the detachments or?

>>51092081

Apparently SOB,IG,Space marines,Skritali,Tempestus Scions full on army lists

>>51092065
A more common opinion by the day it seems. Much to the chagrin of wailing autists and BL Library authors.

>>51092065
That's the best way to deal with 40k "lore".

>>51092113
>Wailing autists and Black Library authors
I really need to proofread my posts so there isn't so much redundancy

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>>51092065
it's okay, but it gets rough at times

t.fantasyfag

>>51092113
>>51092065

Yep. At this point I've completely stopped paying attention to GW's fluff, because these days 90% of it is utter rubbish.

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>>51092065

We wont torture you bub

Almost every type of 40kfag agrees this was a bad story it makes Chaosfags and Imperialfags seem retarded while also making Necronfags seem like spoiled children who dont know how to fix their computers.

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>>51091657
Archaon has a topknot. Everyone takes him seriously.

>>51091720
All of them lost faith and fought poorly. Only the traitor morale was boosted by the retreating of the Emperor's light because it confirms what they always knew about the Emperor.

>>51092276
>confirms what they always knew about the Emperor.
That E Money is a total cunt?

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>>51090887
Are we still arguing that this isn't the End Times equivalent?

>>51092254
Archaon was a kind of a big vilain sue tough. But End of Times shitty writting play a great part in it.

>>51091657
I bet it wobbles around a lot

>>51091805
Actually, the pylons were activated as a last hope measure to stop Abaddon.

So Abaddon takes some credit for forcing them to use the pylons.

>>51092297
It's more like false advancement really

If you read capeshit it's s classic Stan lee tactic

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>Cadia blew up
What in the warp did i fucking miss?

>>51092276
>All of them lost faith and fought poorly.
How? All the daemons vanished and the chaos champions lost their buffs

>Oh no! The enemy's allies have vanished, their champions are weakened, but our living saint can't fly no more! WE'REEE DOOOOOOOMMMMMMED

Shouldn't surprise me there are people dumb enough to defend this though.

>>51092390
>How? All the daemons vanished and the chaos champions lost their buffs

They are still an angry horde of super kill-happy CSM on the planet. It doesn't matter that they lost some of their power, the traitors feeling that they were right all along compensated for the lose of Chaos power by making them fight harder.

The Imperials felt the light of the Emperor fading and the Celesting magically inspired courage was drained from them leaving them with no spiritual or mental backup.

>>51092065

Just stick to 5e and some of the 6

Or just lore you like

>>51092254
>The new model

it's absolutely disgusting compared to the old one

>>51092522
About right for Age of Sigmar, then.

>boohoo they never advance the story
>they advance the story
>boohoo why they're advancing the story

>>51092364
Carnac masturbating furiously.

>>51092293

They knew he was a thieving charlatan who used warp powers himself.

>>51092586
>story advances with one of the most recognizable places in canon going out like a baloon
>lol look at the 40kiddies crying cuz the story is advancing :^)

>>51091697
Creed and Abaddon sitting on a tree.
H
E
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E
S
Y

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>>51092630
If you want to get specific.

>>51092586
>boohoo they never advance the story
who the fuck said this?

>>51092364
>What in the warp did i fucking miss?

Trazyn had a good laugh.
He was like, "Hey, yo, Imperials! Can we be buddies? I'll share toys from my collection with you if you let me play!"
And they were like "Sure, buddy. BTW Inquisitor sends her regards, says she couldn't pick the right flowers to send you back."
But then he fucked up and activates the pylons (you always need more of).
Pylons overcharge, Eye of Terror shrinks, then expands, then shrinks again and Cadia goes *BOOOOOOOOOOM!*

Poor Trazyn is looking from the sidelines with a silly face and a comic bubble saying 'Nyoro~n' next to him.

Gotta say, I do love Warhammer 40k lore. It attracts so many edgy kids who you can smear shit over by diving deep into it.

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>>51092254
>Everyone takes him seriously.

>>51092654
Some eedjits

>>51090887
>Fall of Cadia
>Cadia falls
You don't say

>>51092438
>The Imperials felt the light of the Emperor fading and the Celesting magically inspired courage was drained from them leaving them with no spiritual or mental backup.

Why didn't they too gain morale over the chaos guys losing the boosts from their gods?

I don't care about the fluff anymore I just want to be disappointed at the new formations

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>>51092254
>Everyone takes him seriously.
>literally death knight from warcraft
>takes him seriously.

>>51091657
I agree 100%.
I think it is shockingly shit art design for 40k in general to have this obsession with unhelmeted space marines. This is most manifest is characters like Abaddon. In every picture and in every model, he doesn't look fearsome or terrible, he looks like a constipated vampire in the running for the Guinness Book of World Records record for longest hair.

>>51091657
I really hope that the moment Chaos wins, Abby shoves his armored boot up the Emperor's withered ass someone comes up behind him and cuts his topknot off.

>"FUCKING FINALLY! No one can take you serious with you wearing your hair like that."

>>51092674
Is this for fucking real?

So which primarch came back?

>>51091758
>chaos circlejerk
are you joking? i can't tell if you're joking

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In other news, here's the new Lord of Change model folks.

>>51092770
WoC are older than Death knights though. Also Death Knights do not rick topknots

>>51092859
I find it neat. I think it looks more demonic.

>>51092739
Because the Emperor is already dead. The golden throne is a computer run by an AI that still draws from the big E's corpse.

>>51092739
Because the Chaos dudes were curbstomping them like nothing has happened. In fact, they were curbstomping them with more passion than they did before.

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So was that Dark Eldar looking guy in the artwork ever explained?

Looking at the character list it only mentions a Harlequin character, and that guy really didn't look like a Shadowseer to me.

>>51092859
That's an AoS model.

>>51092036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf0NCHMWcZA

>>51092895
Which can obviously also be used with 40k? Do you really need everything explained for you anon?

>>51092840
They never mentioned the Inquisitor he sent the love letter to.
The rest is as real as it gets.

I omitted the part where the joint forces of Space Marines, Cadians from all over the galaxy, Skitarii, Imperial Knights, Sisters of Battle, AdMech and the people released from Trazyn's personal collection got abandoned by the Emperor and lost faith in him before getting their shit pushed in by Chaos Marines who couldn't give less of a fuck about the warp inhibitive effect of said pylons.

Chaos was right again and Emperor is just a scam, news at 11!

>>51092895
It's not like the two settings share models or anything.

>>51092895
So are all of the Chaos daemon models. Chaos daemons have all always been for both Fantasy and 40k.

>>51092859
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/08/change-is-coming/

Link for those interested.

Apparently the kit is also used to make Kairos Fateweaver too.

>>51092859
HOLY SHIT THAT IS AWESOME

>le armless joke!

>>51092900
b-but this is literally 40k

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>>51092927
>Chaos was right again and Emperor is just a scam, news at 11!

Now what loyalist scum?
Are you gonna cwy?

>>51092859
I don't think anybody will dispute that as GW's plastic model design abilities go up their writing ability goes down.

>>51092859
Too busy, looks dumb.

>>51092895
>You can, of course, use this model in games of Warhammer 40,000 or Warhammer Age of Sigmar. For battles in the Mortal Realms, an updated Warscroll for this arcane behemoth will feature in the upcoming Disciples of Tzeentch Battletome.

>>51093105
>In Warhammer 40,000, his rules remain unchanged from those in Codex: Chaos Daemons, though the recent War Zone: Fenris books, Curse of the Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus do both contain some new spells, artifacts and Formations he can use, as part of a standard Daemon force or a pure host of Tzeentchian warp-spawn.

>Cadia could have gone down in a blaze
>Instead it literally explodes because Trazyn shitted the bed
Why BL keeps shitting the setting so much?

>>51093147
*in a blaze of glory

>>51092859
Pretty good, for a moment I was tempted to give GW money.

>>51093147

It's was the Magos dude who fucked up

>>51093001

That's what disturbs me

The lore is shitting up but the models are actually good

>>51092895
You're a fucking idiot

>>51093147
>Why BL keeps shitting the setting so much?

BL as in Black Library? They didn't write Fall of Cadia. What the fuck are you people on? It's a GW campaign book. seriously, this thread is full of morons.

>>51093301

BL is still shit

>>51092910
>>51092929
>>51092933
>>51093105
It has AoS aesthetics. It doesn't look like it fits in 40K. It's too cartoony.

>>51093301
BL has been writing the fluff for main GW too now. For example, ADB said he wrote the Black Legion supplement.

>>51093323
Learn to assign blame accordingly or else you iz the shit.

>>51093339
>It has AoS aesthetics
This damage control.

Can you actually explain what you mean by "cartoony" at all? What specifically makes it have an "AoS aesthetic"?

Because as far as I can tell it looks like a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch should. 40k or otherwise.

>>51093342
>ADB said he wrote the Black Legion supplement.

What ADB really said is that he was offered by GW to write the Black Legion supplement. He declined because he was overloaded with writing novels but he got to review and edit somethings in the supp.

>>51093339
>It's too cartoony.
For 40k? Are we looking at the same 40k?

>>51093301

Neckbeareded assburgers love 40k and GW, but hate its post 4e fluff so they find a scapegoat blame Black Library for everything (even though it's also GW)

>>51093339
Anon, just because a bunch of people pointed out a dumb moment from you doesn't mean you have to pretend you meant something else.

Seriously, it just makes you look even more retarded.

>>51093339
And everything else in 40k is super realistic looking? Have you ever seen a 40k model anon?

>>51093002

This. Thank you.

>>51092877
That pure bullshit, as is the writting of this book.

The CSM should be crying in despair, as the Nurglite suddendly feel pain for the first time in thousand years, the Psyker as they feel the warp disapear and let alone the possessed woud should go mad.

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>>51093381
Too busy with the details and overdesigned like all AoS models. 40K tends to be more simplistic.

>>51093381
not that anon but the Brightness and all the details makes it look like a cheap toy or from a villain from children's cartoon

>>51093431
They were Black Legionnaires and Crimson Slaughter there.

The BL are more loyal to Abaddon and their hate fo the Emperor than the Chaos Gods.

The Crimson Slaughter would actually enjoy a calm and a silence that they never felt for a long time.

>>51093431

Most of the marines are normal black legionnaires who don't falter with their blessings gone, especially when they see Imperial morale crumble.

Possessed marines were killed by the pylons so what are you complaining about.

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>>51093442
>40K tends to be more simplistic.
Tell me about it.

>>51093339
it depends on the painting

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>>51093339
You could then say that for all Chaos daemon models since the beginning of 40k, since all of them were dual use for 40k and fantasy. Their whole point is to look over the top and fantastical in the middle of 40k's sci-fi setting.

Or should I say less of a setting and more of a story now...

And on that subject since the thread is mostly about it - I want to say something to all of you who have been crying about wanting a moving story all these years. I told you. I warned you about what happened to Battletech's story with the Jihad faction reset. I told you how much better a rich setting was than a moving story - your own imagination can give you the story for your own guys. You don't need hack writers to do it for you when your mind has access to a setting as deep as an ocean. But you didn't listen. Now enjoy your End Times 40k. Don't cry now. Didn't your mom ever tell you to be careful what you wish for? You literally killed Saint Celestine. Her divine blood is on your wretched hands. Repent!

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>>51093442
>Too busy with the details and overdesigned like all AoS models.

Yep, definitely not a thing with 40k. I guess pic related is also a clear example of an Age of Sigmar model too?

>>51093527
That's AoS's bad influence on 40K. Try finding a model that's like that pre-AoS.

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>>51093506
well if st Celestine is dead, there is still not!celestine around somewhere as backup

>>51091873
underrated post

>>51093506
>ou literally killed Saint Celestine. Her divine blood is on your wretched hands. Repent!

Oh...she is alive. She got reborn by the end of the book. But she is down to her last Phoenix Sown. If she dies one more time, then it is over.

Any rules for the new Detachments?

>>51091573

Apparently Abby's plan has changed. He figures that the Imperium is so bloated with people and corruption that he can literally ride a wave of human death and suffering out of the Eye of Terror and have a tendril of Warp Storm slither its way to the Solar system and all the armies of the Dark Gods with it.

Basically the more things suffer, die and worship the Dark Gods, the weaker the veil between worlds gets. Thus more Daemons can cross over. Who then kill more shit and release the raw tainting influence of the Warp into the world. Which causes more mortals to suffer, die or cast their lot in with the powers of Chaos. Then the feedback loop brings them all the way to Terra. No ship navigation required at all.

>>51093527
atleast with this thing you can clearly see were they were going with it and all the details add to the concept

a lot of new models just have details on them for the sake of having details with no purpose or meaning

>>51093594
And no other warband that can't pull out the same shit and where neading the Cadian Gate say a dam thing or try so sabotage him ?

Okay, hold on. The Possessed got separated as their Daemonic half were torn from their bodies. What does that mean for Drach'nyen? Is Drach'nyen free from the sword?

>>51092310
This.
This is simply how I need to think about it to avoid total despair.
Abaddon made the Imperials so damn desperate they turned to foul Xenos tech and caused their own destruction.
It proves that when the chips are down the Emperor can't save you and that even the most loyal of imperials loose hope in the face of Abaddon and will turn to ANYTHING that promises salvation.
The fear of Chaos is what caused Cadia's to succumb to stupidity.
Sure it doesn't make Abaddon look competent like he desperately needs and sure it's a lot of head canon, but it's all i have.

>>51091535
Should be BLACKED LEGIONED

>>51093547
>AoS comes out, people bitch about it looking too 40k for fantasy
>now people are saying 40k is too AoS

We've come full circle

>>51093547
It was 40k that ruined Fantasy and turned it into AOS. :^)

>>51093642

It *is* the sword and since Abaddon still has it, probably not.

>>51093668
>Should be BLACKED LEGIONED
Why? They didn't do anything. The Necrons blew it up. Accidentally too.

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>>51092310
>muh, akh-chually...
For serious?!

>>51093496
About all the "Warp is gone, but somehow Chaos is less affected than the Imperium, Duh" shit. If you want to make Chaos win don't give a massive "Win" button to the Imperium.

The worst part is that it's not even that the Chaos army manage to use it to it's advantage, just that the Armless faillure bitchslap Celestine and cut Creed hand; while the army stand and are like "we just gonna watch and accept this duel as the result of the battle".

>>51093639

Nobody is mentioned doing that. Hell, its even mentioned that Abby has convinced the Renegades out in the Maelstrom to tear shit up at the same time to divert resources away from the Eye. The gist of it is that Abby has cultivated enough favors, played politics and curried enough of the Gods' favor that he has gathered most of the forces of Chaos into the 13th Black Crusade.

Anyone who would dare interfere would have no choice of winning and make an enemy out of nearly everyone.

>>51093710

Imperium is affected because faith has tangible effects in 40k, like bolstering morale, and these are warp-based. Basically it would be a boardwide Ld penalty and guardsmen are more affected than CSM with Veterans of the Long War. They also saw Celestine get depowered which was extra demoralizing.

what actually is Saint Celestine?

What gives her power?

>>51093339
(You)

>>51093786
The closest thing to a Daemon of the Emperor
Faith

>>51092859
Looks like shit.

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>>51093786

Pic related, and her power comes from Emprah, which is warp-based since the pylons shut it down

>>51093786
She's basically the equivalent of a Daemon, except for the Emperor in the warp.

>>51093754

And ? This is not like the Skiitari cannot feal fear for the majority of them, that the Guards have a strict hierarchy with people existing to push the guy to fight even if death is inevitable. Or that many Astartes actually know that the Emperor is a psyker and would not be demoralized by such act.

Not like the Chaos, even the Black Legion, have used to live bathing in warp energy and that they rely much more than the Imperium on it, with all their Psyker, possessed and demonic ally.

>>51093795
>The closest thing to a Daemon of the Emperor
The Legion of the Damned function closer to daemons than Celestine does. They can't even maintain a permanent presence in real space

>>51093453
>but the Brightness
>Tzeentch

Yes, like too much blood and red on a Khorne model.
WTF, man?

>>51093730
Didn't stop Be'lakor from trying to sabotage the 13th Black Crusade.

>>51093806

Poor Celestine ;_;

>>51093485
>>51093496
>no, for serious guise! It's a totally legit win for chaos! T-totally legit...
Yeah, sure, buds.

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>>51093869
just compare that paint job to this old one on GW site. both use bright colors but the new one looks like a plastic toy

>>51093928
Cool opinion anon.

>>51093928
Those are some pretty dull looking colors anon.

And it is literally a plastic toy?

>>51093928
>but the new one looks like a plastic toy

You mean it looks like what it is?

>>51091780
I liked the part where NeverbetrayedThe Cyclop
fucked furfgas over.

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>>51092254
>Everyone takes him seriously.

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>>51093668
>This is simply how I need to think about it to avoid total despair.
you chaosfags sicken me

>>51093928
it depends on the painting really
most miniatures shown by gw looks very colorful and bright, so all the little details are visible on the pictures. It's up to you to paint them grimdark or wacky-cartoony

h-h-hey guys any black templar s-s-stuff?

>>51093001
Yeah, that's GW in a nutshell. They always have to fail at some aspect while excelling at another.

>>51092065
BL was never canon.

Fall of Cadia?

More like Fail of Abaddon!

Honestly, i never thought much of armless memes and just thought that he was uninteresting, but getting stabbed in the ass and teleporting away because you gloated like a dumbass is some next level failure.

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how the flying fuck the whole admech armies and loyalist marines even get affected by the pylons ?
this is ridiculous.

>>51094002
no, go away

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>yfw accidentally Cadia

Member Eye of Terror?

Space Marine Chapters
Angels of Absolution - 10 Companies
Angels of Vigilance - 5 Companies
Angels Sanguine - 7 Companies
Blood Angels - 4 Companies[2b]
Brazen Claws - 10 Companies
Dark Angels - 10 Companies
Death Spectres - 6 Companies
Doom Eagles - 5 Companies
Excoriators - 8 Companies
Exorcists - 10 Companies
Grey Knights - Classified
Harbingers - 8 Companies
Howling Griffons - 8 Companies
Imperial Fists - 5 Companies[2b]
Iron Hands - 10 Clans
Iron Knights - 1 Company
Iron Snakes - 5 Companies
Marines Exemplar - 9 Companies
Mortifactors - Chaeros Task Force[6]
Night Watch - 11 Companies
Novamarines - 6 Companies
Relictors (declared as Excommunicate Traitoris by the Inquisition during the 13th Black Crusade)
Revilers
Space Wolves - 12 Great Companies
Storm Warriors - 10 Companies
Subjugators - 3 Companies
Ultramarines - Ultramarines Honour Company
White Consuls - 10 Companies
White Scars

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>>51094099

>>51094104
Imperial Guard
Agripinaa Home Guard
Avellornian Gunners - 32 Squadrons
Bar-El Penal Legions - 4 Legions
Blitzen Heavy Armoured
Cadian Shock Troops -612 Regiments
Cadian Youth Army -36 Regional Commands
Cadian Kasrkin - 486 Companies
Cadian Interior Guard
Cadian Internal Guard
Catachan Jungle Fighters
Death Korps of Krieg
Thracian Guard - 35 Regiments
Gudrunite Rifles - 47 Regiments
Necromundan Spiders - 1 Regiment
Narmenian Tank Brigade
Cthonian Armoured Cavalry
Drookian Fen Guard -16 Companies
Narsine Yeomanry - 32 Battle Groups
Kellersburg Irregulars - 3 Regiments
Finreht Highlanders - 3 Regiments
Knovian Gharkas - 14 Regiments
Zenonian Free Companies - 9 Companies
Barelian Penal Legions - 4 Legions
Jouran Dragoons - 7 Regiments
Mordant Acid Dogs - 1 Regiment
Mordian Iron Guard
Praetorian Guard
Valhallan Ice Warriors

Individual Regiments
Cadian 3rd
Cadian 107th
Dernhelm 9th
Methuselan Infantry 12th (Mechanised)
Necromunda 8th Infantry
Thracian 290th
Framlingham Rifles
Ritzos 12th
Praetorian 5th
Hadleys Hope XI Rifle Regiment
Cadian 9th Armoured
10th Mordian
Valhalla 54th
41st Elysian Drop Troopers 'Angel Guard'
23rd Krieg
79th Britan Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment
43rd/65th Heidrun
153rd Desert Devils
Praetorian 35th
352nd Sturm Pioneers
Hyrkan 6th regiment
Catachan XII
Flotte Coloniale XXI
Phobos XVI
Mordant 303rd 'Acid Dogs'

>>51092654
whoever bothers to edit the 1d4chan pages.

also, me, but I'm not invested in 40k and I like to see you people lose your shit.

>>51093926
Nobody said it was a win, though. Why are you strawmanning? Are you that desperate? We are just saying the Chaos morale was higher in the fight as it was written in the fight. Eat a dick.

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>>51092254
>Archaon has a topknot. Everyone takes him seriously.

>>51093002
I'd agree for 75% of recent Geedubs models but I can accept a busy Lord of Change.

>>51094059
Nope. This failure is on the writers for not being able to produce a story that isn't ass. GW is just lacking entierly in talented fluff authors.

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So they are Age of Simgar-ing the 40k... fine

>>51093527
Holy shit I love that model.

>>51094203
Yup. Soon the good primarchs will come back and create magical realms with obvious themes for the Imperium.

>>51093642
Your logic is foolish here!
Everything works out fine for chaos, just as planned.

>>51092654
Me

>>51094243
No, you didn't.

>>51094198
The narrative suffers when they attempt to please all sides.

They should take a note from fantasy End Times where Chaos curbstompted everyone up until the last fight. That's how you write an end times/shit got real scenario.

>>51092254
People use to take him seriously, then Anime of Sigmar happened.

I always thought it was dumb to advance a story that was never that interesting to begin with.

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>>51094265
>They should take a note from fantasy End Times where Chaos curbstompted everyone

>>51093642
Drach'nyen is the sword and sword is Drach'nyen. There is no separation. It's a daemon that matches the Emperor might. Pylons won't banish it.

>>51094267
I thought he was pretty shit even before the End Times. At least it was fun when Grimgor headbutted him and yelled that Grimgor was "da best" as he ran away to kill stuff.

>>51094297
>Pylons won't banish it.
Why not?
Why didn't the sword just disappear into the warp?

>>51093754
do you even tabletop, brah?

>>51094297
>It's a daemon that matches the Emperor might.
I'm surprised you still post here ADB. I thought you didn't like us anymore.

>>51094314
It's grasp on the physical realm is probably stronger than the power of the pylons.

>>51094314
>Why didn't the sword just disappear into the warp?

Because it's strong enough to stay.
Not every daemon was even banished by the pylons.

>>51094267
Each time Archaon appears in the fluff, you know that some ANIIIIME shit is going down. You just know things will end badly for the opposing side. That's why people take him seriously because dude is a FUCK YOU UP train with no breaks.

With Abaddon, not so much.

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>>51094342
>a daemon strong enough to shit on multiple greater daemons is not among the ones capable to mantain a grip on reality
>but some other random daemon did
there's bullshit and then there's chaos bullshit.

>>51094343
>Magnus crushing GK ships with his mind
>Morty kills everything around him just by existing
>Angron literally mows down everything before him
>Abaddon can't kill helpless Creed

>>51093611
wow,who could have thought chaos might have details that it might not even need.It's like they're from some sort of twisted perverted dimension or some shit.

>>51094343
This is all I see in Archaon.
https://youtu.be/qV3PhvCf_Jg

>>51094381
That's just art with no basis in the fluff. Celestine even with all her power couldn't slay Abaddon who is just a marine with a fancy sword.

are there any formations in this one?

>>51094392
>Draigo

>>51094392
>>Magnus crushing GK ships with his mind

Was empowered by the Woof magic of Fenris

>>Morty kills everything around him just by existing

One punched by Draigo

>>Angron literally mows down everything before him

Beaten by 2 Grey Knights

>>51094381
Celestine is not a daemon.
Her power is borrowed from the Emperor who could not maintain connection with her.
Drach'nyen meanwhile has all of his power bound into the sword.

>>51094405
>a Chaos Lord is just a Space Marine

wew

>>51094259
I did.

>>51093668
>>51093984
Except that's pretty much exactly what happened. Abaddon pushed them to a poorly conceived act of desperation that backfired.

Read the fucking book. Oh that's right, you can't. It isn't out yet.

Ok, so what's this about Abby getting stabbed in the ass?

>>51094405
>abbadon
>literally the strongest most plot armored character in the setting
>losing to anyone other than the emperor himself
Gee, I wonder why

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>>51094343
>That's why people take him seriously
You're the only one who takes him seriously, carnac.

>>51094438
Without the Dark Gods yeah, Abadabadoo is basically a Chapter Master.

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>>>51094392
> Villain beats protagonist andis about to make final blow
> "i will let you live to watch your world fall first!"
> sidekick of hero appears, protagonist survive

It's like writing directly from /tv/ frogposts.

>>51094343
>ANIIIIME
>good thing
You are right though

>>51094448
Please, we all know that He, Cato Sicarius, will be the one to save the day as He, Cato Sicarius, is the most pristine example of skill and and loyalty in any astartes ever.

>>51094458
You never been to AoS general when Vandus and Thostos were murder-raped.

>>51094447
GW wasn't satisfied with the Necrons accidentally a whole planet or chaos being empowered by getting cut off from their source of power, so they also had Abaddon go full saturday morning cartoon villain monologue until Celestine "I AM NO MAN"'d him.

>>51094405
>That's just art with no basis in the fluff.

There must be something wrong here: I recognise the language you're using, understand the words written, but still this phrase doesn't make sense.

>>51094442
Prove it.

>>51094512
>chaos being empowered by getting cut off from their source of power

That never happened.
They just took heart in seeing the light of the Emperor die.

>>51094533
How?

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>>51094514
So you think it's fluffy that 40K armies stand in lines mere meters apart and shoot at each other?

>>51094533
He's posting on 4chan, there's a 25% chance at least that he's autistic enough to want setting advancement

>>51094069
That seems to be the consensus, anon. Except for the chaos idiots who don't know good writing and will take any victory they can get.

Based Trazyn.

>>51094484

Were you expecting more from GW's writers? They probably had Batman vs Superman on repeat during meetings about Fall of Cadia

>>51094554
You don't?!

>>51094559
Nope, not a Chaosfag and even I see the religious Imperials being broken by the loss of the Emperor's light.

Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter are Undivided and are not really religious.

>>51094544
Except they lost all their empowerments and daemonic allies. They should have lost.
You got me though, here's the (you) you were fishing for, defending this shit.

>>51094399
And this is what everyone hears when Archaon suddenly appears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JcM45gaFs

>>51092340
But how many more false advancements can they make? They keep saying that this isn't an end times event, but we're at, what seems like, literally the last days, maybe even hours, of the 41st Millennium.

Either they'll have to start extending events into the 42nd Millennium, or rewind and start focusing on earlier events again.

I could see them possibly making new events out of Chaos spilling from the Eye of Terror now that Cadia is gone but, again, that may most likely require them to push into M42.

On that note, though, I'd like to see another Badab War-like event as a campaign.

>>51094512
Wow.

Sounds like everyone was an idiot in this.

>>51094428
>Draigo
>Actually using Draigon Mary suesque action as a exemple

>Beaten by 2 Grey Knight

Beaten by 100 of them, of who only 2 survive.

>>51094623
>They should have lost.

Marines are still marines even without blessings.

The loyalist lost Celestine buffs, Legion of the Damned, and all their psychic powers.

>>51094554
To be fair, in that picture (a) the Nids would obviously be trying to get closer, (b) the Tau are so bad at close combat their best bet is to keep firing and praying.

>>51091780
This. I cannot understand why a setting has to move forward, especially if the writers are well established to be shitty.

>>51094648
98 fought the BT guard while 2 charged him. The guy who banished him died.

Learn the fluff, dumbass.

>>51094623
>Except they lost all their empowerments and daemonic allies.

So what? I'm replying to a post saying Chaos was empowered when they were not.

>They should have lost.

They did in the end.

>>51094677
The Tau wouldn't be cluttered in a line and have suits charging in like that. They don't do lines. They are a mobile fighting force.

>>51094487
fuck off with your shitty TTShit memes

>>51094660

You mean the same psychic power the Chaos relly heavly hupon ? The Legion of the Damned, the equivalent of the Chaos demonic ally they use far, far, far more ?

>>51094142
No no no, chaosfag - I'm not here to steal your glorious victory: I'm laffing at your feeble attempts to LEGITIMIZE the victory. I'm laffing at you trying to make it sound logical and true to lore, when it isn't. At all. Not even a little bit.
It's shit writing that would make a twelve-year-old cringe. Period. Full stop.

>>51094722
>You mean the same psychic power the Chaos relly heavly hupon ?

Black Legion are not Word Bearers or Thousand Sons. They do not rely on psychic powers. They are veteran crusaders. Their business is the bolter and chainsword.

Also the C-marines had countless traitor guard and cultists with them.

>>51094660

Also not like the Imperium also have Marines on their side, and Skiitari

You asshats realise that no one wins with this level of shitty writing, right? It's like fighting over who gets a turd.

>>51090887
>Cadia blows up
>Eye of Terror expands
>Swallows the whole galaxy
>The 40k universe finds itself floating next to the AoS one
>Now you can play your favorite 40k armies along side your favorite AoS armies!

Why does everyone think Chaos won the ground battle after the Pylons fired?
They didn't.

>>51094755

They are still CSM, and they not fighting something like the Eldar who relly more on psyker than them.

>>51094808
Sounds good to me.

>>51094736
No, you are just straight up strawmanning. I did not say and nobody said that Chaos won the battle. They lost (but won). We are saying that the Imperials who were holding on just because of Celestine's magic and hope of the ''Emperor Protects'' had their morale broken when they suddenly lost everything.

Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter generally don't care about Chaos. They just use it as tools for their ends. Losing their magic and blessing was compensated by the morale boost of witnessing the Light of the Emperor die out.

>>51094681

Because eternal stagnation is not what fans, excepting a vocal group of autists, want. Horus Heresy revealed loads of "mystery stuff" and was hugely popular in sales, though the same autistbeards in the internet raged about it.

>>51094824
They are CSM that DO NOT rely on psychic powers or daemons. They got turned to regular SM. Still deadly beyond the abilities of the Cadians.

>>51094843
The Crimson Slaughter probably came when the voices shut up for a minute.

>>51094863
>loads of "mystery stuff"

a lot which has been terrible, like the Nids connection or the Cabal

>>51091625
chaos is used to chaos being fickle, as chaos does. the imperium believes that the emperor is always with them, so saint celestine suddenly being just a normal woman again would hurt their morale more than seeing the daemons disappearing would raise it.

>>51090887
>Abaddon fails to destroy Cadia 13 times
>It just blows up on its own

I think this is the closest we'll ever see 40K come to doing a Looney Tunes gag.

>>51094864

They are not only facing Cadian, you Chaosfag. Stop trying to legitimize that shitty writting.

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>>51094843
>and nobody said that Chaos won the battle.
>They lost (but won).

>>51094906
>They are not only facing Cadian, you Chaosfag.

Cadian majority at least.
The other forces were not powerful enough to make up for the Cadian's losing their shit.

So which named characters are dead?

>>51094906
The Cadians were the majority of the fighting force there.

And the traitors had loads of cultists, traitor guard, and corrupted Cadians along with them.

Still more than enough to conquer Cadia even without the daemons support.

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>>51094892
>iron warriors are sworn enemies to the imperial fists
>the fists get destroyed by some orks

>>51094935
Valeria and Kell.

Also Celestine but she gets better.

>>51094596
But anon! What is this 'emperors light' you speak of? Warp fuckery?! The common space marine, techpriest, and guardsman have no such vision of 'divine light', anon. No such vision at all. Only psykers see such things. Not common citizens, nor soldiers.
So, no anon: the common marine, techpriest, and soldier will feel absolutely nothing when the pylons activate. No sudden loss of this 'light' you speak of; no sudden crisis of faith.
Only Chaos is empowered by the warp, anon.
Get better.

>>51094912
Chaos didn't the battle they were driven off.
They won the larger objective though because in using the Pylons the Imperium ultimately made a mistake.

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>>51094921

And the Cadian losing morale (but still having comissar and officiar to yell at them to keep shooting) was enough to make for the fucking Chaos loosing every connection with the Warp ?

>>51094957

Valeria was killed before the story, probably by Darkhammer.

>>51094935
Isn't there also a chaos lord that dies?

>>51094958
>Only psykers see such things.

That's wrong though.

>>51094974
No.
The Chaos forces ultimately still lost that battle.
Have you even read the fluff?

>>51094958
>But anon! What is this 'emperors light' you speak of? Warp fuckery?! The common space marine, techpriest, and guardsman have no such vision of 'divine light', anon. No such vision at all. Only psykers see such things. Not common citizens, nor soldiers.

Celestine was the beacon to the light. The Emperor's light shone on the battlefield thanks to her presence. She was magically bumping them with faith and courage which only kept them on the brink of collapsing instead of utterly collapsing despite of all her efforts.

Then poof it was stopped,

>>51094982
Based Darkhammer.

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>>51094720
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY NEEDS A GOOD FISTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>51094921
>Cadian's losing their shit.
Cadians have fought chaos forces for 10 thousands years, almost non stop at it, it stood without celestine on the field and now that she got a new model if her light suddenly goes away it fucks up the morale of a fighting force of that calibre?

Who wrote this garbage?

>>51095057
>More recently, Darkhammer has become determined to stop his nemesis Helynna Valeria from uncovering the Xenos artifact Dimensional Forge, a device capable of creating a null zone light years in diameter that Daemons could not penetrate. Darkhammer would issue an Exterminatus order to the Hive World of Cavlock after he discovered Valeria suspected the Dimensional Forge was hidden there. Using the pretext of preventing a Daemonic incursion from spreading, Darkhammer condemned billions to death in order to foil Valeria. Valeria has since declared Darkhammer Excommunicate Traitoris and has hunted him across Segmentum Obscurus to seek revenge for the destruction of the Dimensional Forge.

>Later, on Mindo Station, the Acolyte warbands of Valeria and Darkhammer came to battle. The fight lasted a day and a half until Darkhammer and his forces escaped aboard a starliner.

The Forge thing would have been useful on Cadia though.

>>51094892
>Implying 40K hasn't been a Looney Tunes cartoon from the start.

>>51095077
Abaddon never targeted Cadia with the full force of his crusades before. The Cadians faced the full might of Black Legion and their allies. It was too much.

>>51095077
>Cadians have fought chaos forces for 10 thousands years, almost non stop at it, it stood without celestine on the field and now that she got a new model if her light suddenly goes away it fucks up the morale of a fighting force of that calibre?

We only really have the fluff on the last battle.
But I'm guessing Abby wrecked their shit hard enough that they needed some divine intervention.

>>51094822
Cadia blowed up - that's a win for chaos, no? fucking idiot.

>>51095123

Abaddon rekt them so hard that he didn't really need to come down to the planet, but he wanted to personally handle that meddlesome pest Creed.

>>51095138
Yes. But they didn't win the battle.
It's like losing a boxing match but then the other guy falls and breaks his neck and you inherit a billion dollars.

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>Cadia Falls
>only defended by 2nd string armies (Black templar, sisters of battle)

gee I wonder why it fell

>>51095164
To have his cartoon villain monologue.

DISTRACTION CREEEEDDD and he got stab by Celestine.

I will not be surprised if somewhere in the fluff Abaddon says that "No men can kill me"

>>51095195
Does this mean Creed is a hobbit?

why has nobody posted rules yet

>>51095228
Nobody cares about rules.

>>51095228
Rules haven't been linked, just the story.

>>51095004

They where winning because in Herohammer, when someone win a duel, he win the battle, only bullshit to prevent real advancement in the story allow Celestine to stab him and call it a draw.

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>>51091979
at least Magnus was far away enough that this book couldn't shit on him.

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>>51094843>>51094863
>>51094889
>>51094921
>>51094944

That's a speshul kind of autismo you have there!

>>51095270
The steaming pile that is his Legion's rules still stink.

>>51094104
>>51094121

i member :(

>>51095092
yeah, keep making shit up chaosloser. no splanations will cover this shit writing, senpai, tbqh.

>>51095239
I care, this might the saving grace of this stupid as fuck story.


Why the fuck do people insist on moving the setting. I you want different stories play 30k or make 50k.

We do not need another Age of Sigmar.

>>51095281
>Can't understand why an army might lose hard at seeing the power of their god fail
>Others are autistic!

>>51092927
they did mention her, but apparently she died in between then and now, as Trazyn said something about "what had sadly happened to her". But this is 40k, so perhaps death would be the best case scenario.

>>51095175
Abaddon retreated butt he war was still going on in face of Cadian reinforcements. The Imperials tried to win the war via pylons and they screwed up. It's a Chaos win.

>>51095335
>I care, this might the saving grace of this stupid as fuck story.

40k rules are cancer, fuck off.
The quicker the new edition comes the quicker that shit can be wiped out.

>>51095304
true, but if Magnus is on the battlefield his legion is mostly an afterthought and a meatshield. As it is in the fluff for the rubrics, who can be rebuilt when they die.

>>51095092
>I didn't use my full power, kid

I give up

>>51091753
Still work via the warp.

>>51095319
Nope, read the Back Legion supp lore or just see the crusade map.

>>51092254
Who is this and why should I take him seriously?

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>>51095339
>can't understand why an army might lose hard when their power supply fails
>continues to sperg about how cutting off CHAOS affects the Imperium more than, erm, chaos....

>>51092065
If you want. It ignores enough lore that it can safely be Goto'd.

>>51095427

Abaddon from WHFB (or Abaddon is him in 40k, idk)

>>51095468

I bet someone said that about the End Times.

>>51095459
Black Legion aren't power supplied by Chaos. They use normal tactics and bolters.
Sorcery is just secondary thing to them.

The Cadians were only hanging on by Celestine's chubby grace.

>>51092674
>Poor Trazyn is looking from the sidelines with a silly face and a comic bubble saying 'Nyoro~n' next to him.
I need this.

>>51095319
>if I keep using casual slang maybe i'll sound in control of this argument
that's a little sad, man

>>51095404
via the orky warp - necron gear don't muck up orky know-wots, ya git!

>>51095459
>celestine was clearly getting her power from the emperor, who was in no way connected to the warp, as displayed by her continuing to radiate holy power after the pylons were activated-oh wait.

>>51095416
>muh map!
How adorable! What other lies have you been told to believe?

>>51095543
>implying celestine is as vital to the imperial forces as chaos powers to the chaos ones

>>51095362
FoC is cancer, I'm hoping the rules are not complete shit. To at least save this fucking mess a bit for 8th.

>>51095569
She is for morale.
Black Legion don't give a fuck about the fickleness of the Gods.

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>>51095503
>keeps repeating same btfo mantra
One day, it will be true - keep repeating it, anon!

>>51091753

See if GW want to write more stories like this, they need to get the Orks involved. Because this sort of fluff works perfectly for Orks.

>Orks have gigantic planet-killing weapon poised above planet covered with vast Imperial armies

No way they're using that thing when there's such a good fight to be had down on the surface

>Orks find ancient alien artifacts

Of COURSE they're going to activate and overload them

>Ghazzghkull seizes hold of the enemy commander and doesn't kill them right away

Holding him aloft and laughing sounds right in character, also showing off to his ladz

>>51095503
>Black Legion aren't power supplied by Chaos.
their primary method of attack, uniquely designed for the 13th black crusade was a daemonic siege engine

>>51093577
I don't remember that. I thought she just couldn't revive any more when she's disconected from big E, but that as soon as she gets her powers back it's business as usual.

>>51095592
tabletop moar, faget - you are exactly 100% wrong. why are chaosfags so desperately stupid?

>>51095598
You didn't btfo anything though. You are not refuting anything just posting image macros and acting a fool.

Straight from the fluff, Black Legion are not a sorcerer or a daemon legion. Losing the Chaos buffs won't affect their ability to wage a war. They are marines after all.

>>51095204
compare to a CSM..

MIND BLOWN!!11!

>>51095620
Defilers? Primary? Nah. They are just one type of daemon engine. They still have other tanks and hardware working.

>>51095631

Basically, though she also keeps losing herself to warp entities every time she resurrects, and one day she will be seized to be their plaything for eternity.

>>51095649
>tabletop moar, faget - you are exactly 100% wrong.

He is talking about the fluff. Try to use the fluff or admit you lost.

>>51094343
I thought Big G Ironhide did a great job breaking him.

>>51095825
Grimgor only managed to break the Eye of Sheerin before getting beheaded.

>>51095675
>fluff
>argument
Like he said, BTFO. Chaosfags can only repeat what they've been told. Sad, really.

>>51094405
>Canon source depicting Celestine wasting multiple greater daemons
>no basis in the fluff
wew.

>Celestine even with all her power couldn't slay Abaddon who is just a marine with a fancy sword.
Except she never faced him at full power. She was depowered and half dead by the time they fought.

>>51095714
...all powered by demons - good one, anon! You sure love splittin' dem hairs...

>>51095734
I hope she gets seized by Papa Nurgle, then she and Isha can become cellmate buddies.

>>51095875
You lost.

>>51095876
Are you sure? From what I read she was fighting in the middle of fighting him when the pylons turned on.

>>Canon source depicting Celestine wasting multiple greater daemons

So the Tau have toes now?

Where's your line now guardfags?

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>>51095745
pff! It's a tabletop game, idiot - fuck off outta here!

>>51095907
Actually, Abaddon made a point of capturing Forgeworlds and facilities to produce normal armored forces for his 13th Black Crusade since he knew daemons cannot be trusted as tank operators

>>51095503
But the fact the Cadians, who've held the line for thousands of years, were only standing because of one individual and immediately break when her glowy light stops, is piss poor writing.

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>>51095945
zing!

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>>51092254
>Everyone takes him seriously

>>51095966
>muh, ahk-chually...
Keep breathing through your mouth, dorito boy.

>>51095982
It's not poor writing you dipshit.
They saw their god fail.
Of course that's going to be a kick in the nuts.

>>51095915
Isha and Nurgle have a Healthy BDSM relationship. We all know that.

Maybe Celestine is into that too.

>>51096019
Sure it's gonna be a kick in the nuts, but they've fought before without the 'light of the emperor', and they've repelled chaos without it. They might stagger or doubt themselves, but to have to give into despair is not Cadian

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>>51095982
Cadians withstanding the full might of biggest Black Crusade/Chaos incursion since the HH as long as it has and causing it to temporarily retreat is bullshit.

It's just Imperial pandering. They are throwing you a bone but you won't take it. You lost but won at the same time. Take it or leave it.

>>51096018
Keep failing the fluff. It's a chance to educate others.

>>51096056
But

>>51096056
>but they've fought before without the 'light of the emperor'

That does not matter.
When you see your god essentially shit themselves and die that's going to hurt.