Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Age of Emperor when ??

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Second for obscure units.

>>51081281
Tbqh BT are the worst.

>Alright guys, now that the war that was started over Emperor Worship is over, what should we do?
>Let's worship the Emperor!
>Good idea!

>>51081327
>implying BT are worse offenders of that than Sororitas and the entire Echlesiarchy

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What is the fluffiest heavy support choice for World Eaters?

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>>51081296
How about get rid of that corpse and start Age of Empty Throne

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>>51081327
>>51081428
>Implying religious fanatics are not cool

>>51081445
boring people would say maulerfiend

interesting people know that Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows

>>51081459
>implying I implied that
BT and Sororitas are both fun as fuck, even if they're a bunch of stupidly religious nobheads.

>>51081459
fat_ninja.jpg

>>51081445
Maulerfiends, Blood Slaugtherers or Kharybdis Assault Claws.

>>51081428
Nope, BT are the worst offenders since it's confirmed they started worshipping before M32, before the Ecclisiarchy was founded, iirc. As well as the fact that a good portion of them by that time were veterans of the Heresy/Scouring, and at least would have held the knowledge on why the HH started. It's even brought up in one of The Beast books where a CSM IW meets his old IF friend who is now a BT Dreadnought, and mocks him for worshipping the Emperor as the Word Bearers once did.

>>51081445
defiler

Does anyone have the

>BEEP BOOP FUCK THE LOYALISTS

image?

>>51081459
I'm definitely not implying that at all, or at least don't mean to! I'm just saying that of all the hypocrites in the IoM, the BT are some of the biggest. Heck, I love all the fanatics, WB and BT especially.

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>>51081507

GW has announced this to be the best year for 40k ever in their newsletter for Gathering Storm.

>>51081488
What if the Black Templars are actually loyalist Word Bearers? Sigismund looks kinda similar to Lorgar, they even have the same haircut. That's not a coincidence.

>>51081563
this guy says you did your general thread wrong

>>51081555
It is a coincidence. Though Sigismund was Dorn's greatest shame and failure, if Lorgar did something right, it was purge his legion of all loyalists. He had 42 years to do so, after all, iirc. Rules-wise, in 30k the WB are the only legion that MUST be played as traitors, no ifs, ands, or buts.

>>51081471
>>51081487
>>51081502
Why?

>>51081445
Land Raider with Termis/Berzerkers is a classic, though unfortunately poor one.

>>51081540
thanks brah

>>51081602
because its a walker with crab claws--ignore ranged attacks and go claw for the glory of khorne

>>51081296
Most likely never.

Wanting to start a guard army.

Is putting infantry platoons with melta/or flamer worth it for being able to spam so much armor, or should I stick with vets in chimeras for the three special weapons per squad?

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>>51081633
No prob anon

>>51081584
so

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How does this look for my 1000pt Salamander army? Thoughts?

Atia posted on dakka, next 40k release will have at least two chaos characters resculpted, my money's on Typhus and Fabulous Bill

>>51081754
Linky-link.

>>51081754
I'd be surprised if it's not Abaddon

>>51081708
General rule of thumb is that infantry platoons slum in out on foot whilst the veterans get the ride. That's because veterans are more expensive and benefit more from having the extra protection and speed.

>>51081770

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1950/711678.page#9122338

>>51081733

I think you should stop using that terrible list builder if you want real advice.

>>51081733
A single multi-melta is bad on marines.

what's the point of that one plasma cannon on the 8 man squad that can't even combat squad?

Who's taking the third drop pod? Where is the librarian going?

>>51081792
>list builder maymay

>>51081792
Do the pretty pictures trigger you autist?

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>Tau hatred on 40kgen bingo intensifies

>>51081786
Thank you good sir. Its weird when someone in /40kg/ is not a complete faggot.

>>51081811

Just use a pencil and paper so you can upload grainy camphone shots like a real man, technology is for homos

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>>51081754
>White Dwarf battle features old Abaddon model

Every week it feels more likely he's getting the AoS Archaon treatment.

>>51081846

I only suck dick on Mondays and Thursdays

>>51081853
He is getting the AoS Archaon treatment, more-or-less, the parallels behind his and Archaeon's rise to greater importance in the setting are uncanny, they're both becoming more like each other in philosophy, too.

>>51081781
thanks

>>51081863
Good thing its sunday.
>That starting catfight between Atia and Tastytaste
Oh where are my popcorns!

>>51081895
>Daemon Prince size Abaddon with 30 horns, 1000 spikes, four chaos faces, one feathered wing, 8 severed heads with clawed feet and hands
Calling it now, over designed shit coming our way.

>>51081445
Daemon Engines are more heavily linked to Dark Mechanicum IMO. Go Vindicator or model Berzerker havocs swinging their inevitable autocannons by the barrel to fuck niggas up. Or Predators, maybe. What's your list?

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>>51081541
>We're actually advancing the plot, and suddenly people care about 40K again!

Personally I'm shocked /tg/.

>>51081754
I'm going to be genuinely surprised if yabba-dabba-doo isn't getting a new and larger model to represent his gigantism.

>tfw still no giant model for the Exorcists character.

>>51081970
And a topknot the height of a dreadnought.

>>51082001
He's going to have 4 topknots now!

Why the fuck there are two generals?

>>51081853
Nah, I'm betting he bites it.

>>51082063
Mistakes were done.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdEX_q31_-g

Hope more than just Finnish 40k fans have seen this

>>51082063
A. Autism
B. Memes
C. Illiteracy
D. Phoneposters
E. All of the Above

Take your pick

>>51082063
017.M3 Thread Nova Interregnum
Age of twin threads.

>>51081986
Literally the only talk about FoC is about how awful it is

Sure, all publicity is good publicity for a time, but if all you offer people are rotten apples they're not going to keep buying apples from you for long

>>51082097
This honestly looks like some high school Newgrounds animation.

>>51082184
I do not care about fluff, it has been bad since 5th, 3rd and 4th had at least decent fluff.

The only thing I care about FoC are rules and people are just leaking fluff for some reason. We know it's shit like almost every new fluff for 40k. Why even bother with it at this point.

>>51081792
>>51081811
>>51081836

Being honest with ourselves, the list builder isn't great. It's nice for posting a list on an image board, but poor for double-checking things like the legality of the list. It's missing shit, too, if I understand it right.

At the same time, it's about as accurate as many other list builders, and this one does require you to RTFM for your faction instead of taking Battle-scribe at face value.

It's got room for improvement, but I don't see any better free shits that I can link to in my browser that are also pretty to look at, soooooo....

>>51082184
I don't know if awful is the right word for FoC, just bland.
I mean, cadia blew up and yet it didn't really come across as a big deal, and abby finally achieved his goal and yet somehow came across as even more incompetent than before. It's not bad as much as it is GW trying to move the setting forward without tipping the balance of power to full end times, and that's just boring

>>51081986
They need to step up the quality of the releases, especially in terms of rules. They've been churning out books this year, and a lot of them have been mediocre at best.

I think they need to have a long, hard look at the current crop of rule and fluff writers. Probably break the two in half entirely, and start purging the people that have cocking shit up for years now (pretty much everyone that we know the name of).

>>51081811
For some reason it didn't attach the drop pods to the second tactical squad or the venerable dreadnought.

The librarian is going with the 8 man tac squad.

Why is multi-melta bad? What should I take in its place?

>>51082268
>I think they need to have a long, hard look at the current crop of rule and fluff writers. Probably break the two in half entirely, and start purging the people that have cocking shit up for years now (pretty much everyone that we know the name of).
This. The fluff team definitely needs to be purged, unless someone actually thinks the drivel BL releases is in any way good.
The rules team may need a few fixes (like making sure crud never touches nids again, and bringing in people who actually know how to write good rules, like ward) but I think the real issue their is a lack of play testing and balancing. Perhaps they need to add in some oversight to better coordinate the codexes and make them more balanced?

>>51082184
Dont caaareee at allll. My admech got more stuff and a special character who has three minds and is a size of an carnifex! Best day of my life.

Seeing the rules for Electropriests was the worst.

>>51082261

The problem is everyone that uses it doesn't read the book, which is the main allure of most builders. Because anyone who has actually read the rules would instantly see how bad the builder is and not use it because they CAN'T build a proper list with it.

>>51082261
>pretty to look at

It's a mess. It isn't even clearly an intuitively laid out, with arbitrary placement for the squad photos. Look at >>51081733 and where the drop pods are placed and how the assault squad wargear and members are listed.

>>51082308
How to fix fluff.
Write the story
Read it to a 8 and 12 year old boy
If they find fucking awesome, start over.

It would fix a lot of the hahahaha I'm evil moments.

Also destroying planets is not an odd thing in the Imperium. Rare yes but not impossible.

Fucking idiot Magos touching the perfectly fine working pylons and exploding Cadia.

Who the fuck writes this shit? Really please someone in the UK punch the idiots in the face and brake their hands. I'll pay your lawyers if you do it.

>>51081959
Is Tastytaste part of faiet? If so, he can fuck right off. That "8th edition campaign" rumors list is bollocks.

>>51082405
The Magos messing with the Pylons was the only half-decent thing about FoC, but the fact that they exploded outright was terrible writing and basically made it so 'Chaos wins because they lost but it's okay because plot so Chaos wins.'

>>51082308
The current rules guys have been consistently churning out low quality releases for several editions now. They've had exactly one guy that put out consistently well-written crunch (Ward), and he's gone now. He's also a stellar example of why they should have different people doing the crunch and the fluff.

I definitely agree that they need to focus more on play-testing and balance, but I just don't see the value in keeping a gaggle of retards that have been failing at their job for years.

>>51082447
>waah, why didn't the 13th Black Crusade end in abject failure in the first book
Get fucked. Every time Chaos wins, you shitposters come crawling out of the woodwork to start whining.

>>51082500
Both sides failed. Abaddon get rekt and is show as retard. Imperium repel chaos but accidentally blow up Cadia.

>>51082500
>Completely missing the point of the post

It's not stupid that Chaos won, it's stupid that Chaos lost and then won because the plot demanded it.

>>51082405
>>51082447
Here's how to fix the fluff:
Kill abby, no more black crusades. Chaos still does incursions and raids and pillages, but no more of the "Failbadon and his spikey crew are going to end the enitre universe" shit. It's stupid and it fucks over everyone else's lore in favor of the worst written """villian""" of 40k.
Then, instead of armless the harmless trying to go fuck shit up, moae the daemon primarchs chaos' big bads, trying to settle scores with the imperium or getting into fights with other legions that end up ruining entire sectors

>>51082535
>Cadia is destroyed, opening the way for the ravening horde of Chaos to pour out into the Imperium
>b-b-but Abaddon lost, guys, my meme army got to inflict a flesh wound before getting BTFO, so it's a draw

>>51082097
Well it ain't available in my country so I won't see it until I decide to get one of those region free youtube plug-ins, which will be a while cause they tend to come paired with malware

>>51082560
>abby gets stapped in the back by a mortal, doesn't kill anyone of importance
>cawl and Trazyn actually destroy cadia, if they didn't activate the pylons cadia would be fine
>implying this is in anyway anything but a lucky phyrric victory for abby.

>>51082550
I agree, GW's need to always let the Imperium-babies claim some sort of victory in every conflict is one the major problems with 40k.

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>>51082349
>>51082379
Again, better and free options include:
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>>51082591
I think you need to look up what a Pyrrhic victory actually is. Abaddon lost nothing and achieved his primary objective.

>>51082635
>getting stabbed in the back is nothing

>>51082621
Any of the opensource Excel/Word clones? A piece of paper?

Was there Curze on Cadia? They promised that he will be on Cadia.

>>51082635
It might not be a phyrric victory, but it's still rather disconcerting that Abbadon only won because chance, and actually had no hand whatsoever in Chaos's victory.

>>51082652
It didn't inconvenience him at all. He's still alive and well, and he still literally bitch-slapped his attacker.

I don't really understand why Abaddon makes people go full retard. Sure, he could be better written, but that doesn't excuse the constant tirade of misinformation and lies from shitposters like you.

>>51082658
List Builder stays in the OP, then.

>>51082680
threadly reminder that the wroters wanted to have abadon destroy cadia from orbit in 3 pages in the first draft...
so heh just be glad even a single chaos marine died

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>Want to play more
>Local Meta is nothing but Deathstars
Is it just my meta or is the game now all about deathstars?

>>51082621
pen and paper.
excel
word
just writing your list here

>>51082709
its your faggot meta. change flgs

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So now that Cadia is blown up at the end of the first book, what could the second in the series possibly be about? There's no more battlefield.

>>51082706
Imperial Navy losing Space Battles?

The fuck? It is like the only faction that is constantly competent.

Unless fighting Tau, god damn their plot armour is annoying

>>51082635
Sure, it's not a phyrric victory, but it's definitely a horribly written one.
Abby is perhaps the prime example of how to not write a villian. He does all this shit, yet only comes across as a moron. In FoC he only wins because cawl accidentally blows up the pylons, while abby get's gibbed in the back by celestine because he didn't just shoot her dead.
What's ridiculous is that with WoM we saw a decently written villian in magnus: he actually plans out his assault on his most hated enemy in the wolves, feels like he earned his victory and comes across as a real threat who only gets beat because the wolves got lucky that they had a relic that could hurt him.
It's ridiculous that GW's writers seem to have no understanding of how to make abbadon actually seem like a threat.

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>>51082735
Cool.
>Even the local guard player runs a commissar with two powerfists, 10 bullgryn and a primaris psyker with biomancy every single game.

>>51082709
Power creep has resulted in a meta where everything either has to be cheap, disposable, MSU garbage, or an entirely unkillable deathstar that eats up a giant chunk of your points.

>>51082709
Try Kill team?

>>51082741
Presumably some of the Cadian Sector is left to fight over, otherwise we've got a whole Segmentum and a half before Abbadon reaches Terra to fight over, looks like it's Hold The Line o' Clock.

>>51082761
>Chaos wins due to luck in the face of random xenos meme intervention
>that's shitty writing
>Imperial win due to luck in the face of random made-up alternate objectives
>that's good writing

>>51082755
just read the white dwarf man, it was going to be blitzkrieg exterminatus kkthxbye

>>51082741
Cadian survivors travelling through the webway meet Dark Eldar/Demons/More Chaos marines.

Chaos Marines flood the Imperium and they're met by several Crusades made to defend the neighboring systems of Cadia.

Tyranids/Orks/Tau start to take advantage of a weakened Imperium and their advances are made stronger because of this, Helbrecht and Yarrick try to hunt Ghaghzkull

Eldrad starts collecting the shards of Ynnead into new wraith constructs as the Silent King rallies the Necrons into finishing the Eldar and Orks.

New status quo, same as the old one.

>>51082709
My closest thing to a deathstar is a Flying DP with Goredrinker, Ichor Blood, Warp-Armor for a 3+, and a collar of khorne for that sweet 4+ deny the witch.

>>51082741

I don't understand this image.

>>51082833
>people actually taking Ichor blood
>thinking that a 4+ Deny the Witch is worthwhile
Shit, nigger, what are you doing?

>>51082833
I as a SM player have no idea how to counter Daemon Prince's

>>51082805
>>Imperial win due to luck in the face of random made-up alternate objectives
>>that's good writing
I said that magnus was a decently written villian. I never once said that the wolves deus ex machina was good, because it wasn't. The only good part of that was khorne lauging at it all.

>>51082821
Funnily enough, this still would've made more coherent sense than FoC turned out due to the Planet Killer and all, and would've actually made for better characterisation of Abbadon as a serious villain beyond jobbing horribly and being incompetent again only to be set up as a serious threat.

>>51082843
that's the whole point.. he pointed that he isn't in a waacfag meta

>>51082847
Have you tried shooting them? If they're on the ground, light them the fuck up. If they're in the sky, ignore them. Counter-assault with a durable beatstick (loaded out character, terminators, etc) can also work.

>>51082766
What about monster mash lists? Riptide Wing + Stormsurges isn't really MSU and it's definitely not a death star.

>>51082840

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has David Bowie summon a psychic punch ghost whose signature power is to turn anything it touches into a bomb.

Cadia blew up like a bomb.

>>51082821
Again Zerg rushing Cadia, with IN defending it.

Two chaos ships? Two ramming targets
One chaos Battle cruiser? One big ramming target

Chaos fleets are fucking shit in fluff and table top. No idea how they can fix that beside terrible writing.

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>read ADB fluff
>actually start to see Abbadon as a credible threat to the Imperium
>hear about FoC leaks
>hyped
>read the leaked pics
>Failbbaddon wastes thousands of men, marines and Daemon engines in assaulting the second best fortified planet in the Imperium in an attempt to 'break their spirits' even though he could've just blown up the place with Planet Killer
>proceeds to get bested by a drunken old man and a girl
>whole thing is a complete disaster, entire Daemon cohorts banished back into the warp, Chaos forces being routed and assailed by Black Templars
>pylons randomly shit themselves out of fucking nowhere and blow up the planet, barely saving the whole campaign from catastrophic defeat
>every single important character survives somehow
>'chaos lost... but they won!'
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBS

>>51082870
Big-shit-spam lists are third viable list in the current meta, but they only work due to Tau shit being hideously undercosted/too durable or GW's poor implementation of flying crap.

>>51082877
>Chaos fleets are fucking shit in fluff and table top

Depends on the fleets, some of the older Archaeotech Grand Cruisers and the Planet Killer in particular are incredibly powerful, presumably the Dark Mechanicus has also cooked up some pretty horrific ships here and there, though most of those are likely to be unique.

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>>51082500
They come out every time because Chaos wins every time.

Crazy ain't it.

>>51082867
SM don't put out nearly enough dice in shooting to scratch a daemon prince.

>>51082884
>>pylons randomly shit themselves out of fucking nowhere and blow up the planet
Has this been explained yet?

Because otherwise Abaddon didnt even win, the Imperials lost. Him invading means nothing.

>>51082892
Or just Zerg rush and use the planet killer.

If Abaddon objective is to remove Cadia and not use it as an stable real space port for his fleets. Why the fuck invade it not just nuke with the planet killer.

IN can't reliably destroy it before it shoots its doom laser into Cadia.

FoC is so bad and stupid that the GW blood bath sounds like good writing.

>>51082843
With Adamantium Will he denies on a 2 or 3+, iirc. No Wizards allowed.

Also I had 1495/1500 points left, so I thought to get it. If it ever caused a wound it'd instantly make it's points back since it would
A: Likely kill something that is more than 5ppm
B: Power up Goredrinker and make my DP stronger.

>>51082847
Shoot him. They have no shooting attacks unless they're filthy psykers, and as a KdK player, he can't into wizardry. Also, with Goredrinker you really don't want to get into melee with him. It only makes him stronger, as at 10 wounds caused, he'll be I9(?) S10 ID AP1, iirc. Gimme a minute and I can tell ou the exact thing.

>>51082900
This.
Boltguns are the worst weapon in the entire game, at least with lasguns you get a shitload of them.

>>51082900
>shoot at it with a couple grav-cannons
>or a handful of plasma guns
>or a bunch of boltguns
Stop being a shitter.

Everyone is talking like the book is out.

Has it leaked? Where is the info coming from?

>>51082924
>With Adamantium Will he denies on a 2 or 3+, iirc
You don't, and it doesn't even matter if he's casting a good power (ie not a witchfire/malediction) or casting against something else.

>>51082932
>Grav-Cannons
Can only take one in a 10 man tac squad
>Plasma guns
Can only take one in a 10 man tac squad
>Bunch of boltguns
Wounding on 5's

>>51081459
does he eat the victims?

>>51082299
Multi-melta is bad because you can't really move and fire it so it wants to stay still and it wants to shoot at vehicles with high armour values AKA everything the 7 guys with bolters DONT want to do.

>>51082961
>stop taking 10-man squads
>stop pretending you can't take both in a single 10-man squad
>stop pretending you won't have oodles and oodles of boltguns anyways
Stay bad.

>>51082980
>stop pretending you won't have oodles and oodles of boltguns anyways

well... you probably wont unless you're taking loads of tacs for some bizzare reason?

>>51082419
Blood of Kittens afaik.

>>51082988
>unless you're taking loads of tacs for some bizzare reason?

Tactical Rhinorush is best fluffy list and you can't stop me.

>>51082725
>just writing your list here
You must not remember all the hundreds who tried that shit and got bitched out for formatting. P&P, excel, word all have the same goddamned issue.

You may not like the kiddybuilder's layout, but at least the OP list builder has a standardized, consistent, format which has the advantage of bypassing /that/ bullshit at the bare minimum. There's a reason it's in use, newfag. That bullshit resulted in way more shitposting than we experience now.

Battlescribe didn't offer an easy way to share the lists for critiquing. Free-hand doesn't offer consistent formatting. So /until/ you can offer a better suggestion that satisfies those two criteria at a minimum, kindly do everyone a favor and fuck off with that useless mewling about the OP list builder.

>>51082884
>>pylons randomly shit themselves out of fucking nowhere and blow up the planet, barely saving the whole campaign from catastrophic defeat

They better actually explain what the fuck happened in the next book, and actually make it blowing up have a bit more impact than Abbadon winning from the Imperium fucking up. Like them going into the webway getting them the tech to fix the throne or the hole in the webway or something.
Because right now this is horribly written. The Imperium blew up one of their most important planets on accident. And while abby likes an idiot and somehow comes out with everything he wanted, the imperium gets fucked because the plot demands it.

Or at the very give us a new Trazyn model, since as a cron player he's all I really cared about in this whole mess.

>>51082847
Skyhammer Anihilation Force.

>>51082741
Fall of Cadia is just the first installment in a series called Gathering Storm. It will very likely handle a few other issues in 40k timeline stasis, and the series will incorporate almost every faction.
So at least one book will be about Tau and Damocles.

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>>51081972
So far, x4 squads of 10 Berzerkers with power fists in a Maelstrom of Gore and a Juggerlord with the AoBF. It's a very fluffy list as you can see, so I want to pic the option that best fits the sons of Angron.

>>51082847
Predator?

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Has there ever been a picture of the Armour of the Remorseless crusader? Because right now I'm headcanoning pic related as such.

>>51082956
No, it actually is a 3+ to deny with both Adamantium Will and a Collar of Khorne. Adamantium Will grants +1 to Deny, and Collars grant +2.

Anyways, the max power Goredrinker on a DP is up to 6-9 S10 AP2 attacks at I8 on the charge, not counting any other possible bonuses, such as Warlord traits or Blood Tithe bonuses.

>>51083023

But Damocles is impossible, since the entire gulf is on fire.

>>51082988
Yeah, why would anyone ever bother taking large numbers of troop units.

>>51083061
>up to 6-9 S10 AP2 attacks at I8 on the charge
>not counting any other possible bonuses
I forgot that Daemon Princes can rape so hard in melee.

>>51082999
>step one- don't format your list like a retard
>step two- enjoy
It's that easy. Any not-retarded written list is easier and quicker to parse than the bloated monstrosities that list site spits out.

>>51083016
Can't with Dark Angels.

>>51083061
>Anyways, the max power Goredrinker on a DP is up to 6-9 S10 AP2 attacks at I8 on the charge, not counting any other possible bonuses, such as Warlord traits or Blood Tithe bonuses.
Why couldn't we get this one for WE instead of that hilarious meme that is Bloodfeeder?

>>51081459
I prefer national extremists desu

>>51081459
Only when their religion isn't Islam or Judaism.

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>>51082961
Oh god how horrible! Wounding on 5s? How will you ever beat them?

Spoiled mutant brats.

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>>51083065
>since the entire gulf is on fire.
You know, that actually makes me wonder:
Why didn't the imperium just evacuate the head honchos off of cadia and use the life eater virus on it while abby was still on the surface? It's not like they give a shit about regular mooks.

>>51083129
Because GW isn't, and has never been competent at writing realistic scenarios, even within the confines of its own setting.

>>51083092
>Sm player
>dark angels

>>51083065
Half the tau forces are still on this side of the barrier. So, maybe Shadowsun sets up her own little fiefdom. Maybe Shadowsun and Farsight get around to that civil war all the antitaufags want to see. Nids are still knocking on that door, too. And we still don't know what D/C Eldar, Crons, or Orks are doing in Gathering Storm, either.

Anyone have a brief rundown of the happenings in the book?

why cadia
i liked cadians
they are aesthetic
and guards are best

>>51083094
>Bloodfeeder replaces bearers normal attack characteristic
Such potential wasted.

>>51083082
>It's that easy.
If only it were, anon. If only it were.

>>51083148
Well yeah, but fall of cadia takes this to new extremes.

>>51083172
Cadian Guardsmen aren't all necessarily from the planet Cadia, but the Cadian Sector, unless I'm remembering this horribly wrong. There's still hypothetically a good chunk of the Sector itself hanging around, for now.

>>51083183
It is, it just requires a modicum of common sense. Most of the bitching about list formatting was caused by retards copy-pasting tons of extraneous info from Battlescribe.

>>51083172
Literally like 1% of cadian guardsman are actually on cadia. Most are off planet in various battles and garrisoning various bases.

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>>51083082
>>51083200
>just don't be retarded

>>51082557
>Kill abby, no more black crusades.

That's a terrible idea.

Instead, bring back some of the Daemon Primarchs (specifically Lorgar) and have them vie for dominance of Chaos as a whole. While Lorgar still ostensibly honors his submission to Abbadon as he made it millennia ago, he and many other Lords begin plotting to overthrow him and claim the title of Warmaster.

Lugft Huron is a relatively minor character in this, but he and the Red Corsairs are one of the last warbands to pick a side in the brewing schism, and their numbers will end up determining which side wins.

The fluff would advance RIGHT UP until that schism would break out, allowing players to play either a united Chaos or fractured Chaos should they choose.

>>51082884
>taking ADB's chaos wank at face value and not as a biased tale from Abaddon and friends' perspective
You set yourself up for this.

Any body else paint a couple models then lose the will to paint for a while? how do you usually get over the hump?

Kell(Creed's best friend) is still alive? Or GW forgot he even existed and even didn't mention him?

>>51083195
The planet's only resource was soldiers, and many of them settled on worlds they've conquered and brought their traditions with them.

>>51082591
Kell is probably dead.

So no one important.

>>51083124
>Lasguns qet changed to salvo 3/4
How does this affect the guard?

>>51083081
>>51083094
For example, if we added in Warlord Traits, then said DP could get one of these:
>Zealot
>+1 Attack
>Preferred Enemy (Everything)
>Fearless+IWND
>Counter-Attack
>Furious Charge
>FnP (5+)
>1 VP for each character slain in a challenge
>Warlord and all friendly units within 12" reroll 1's to hit in the assault phase
Of course, I only put in the most useful looking Warlord traits on here. Which of these seems most useful to you anons?

Also, for possible Blood Tithe bonuses, which are one per turn and last until the your next turn and affect your entire army so long as they have the Blood for the Blood God special rule, iirc:
>FnP (5+)
>Adamantium Will
>Furious Charge+Rage
>+1 Attack

I love the KdK codex.

>>51083009
He IS a new model. Why would they make new models of new models? Sure he's not super new, but have you seen new models for the tau heros when they got a book?

>read spoilers about Fall of Cadia
>utterly disapointed
Why GW is so retarded, why they write so shitty campaigns? They should write some past events from M41 some before 900.M41. This what they try to do with storyline is just absolute garbage. Universe should stop on 999.M41 without descriptions.

>>51083314
FRFSRF immediately comes back as the most horrifying anti-infantry phrase in the game.

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Cawl rules leak when?

>>51083241
Hey, at least it was decently written. I liked Talon of Horus because it opened up so much potential, Abby didn't have to become a mary sue to escape is previous meme self.

And then GW came and ruined everything.

>>51083377
Probably in 3-5 days.

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I want to get into 40k. I think I want to play space wolves cuz I like bjorn the fell handed being a dreadnaught and a character piece. But the space furry thing puts me off. Can space wolves still be played with out using actual wolf(animal/werewolf) units?

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>>51083325
If only you could play actual CSM effectively, instead of having to spam bikers and hounds. That's pretty much the only thing that made me favor WE over KdK.

They should just merge the two factions next edition, or at least give WE Blood for the Blood God.

>>51083405
>And then GW came and ruined everything.
MoM exists, ADB and BL ruined the setting before GW did

>>51083469
>MoM exists, ADB and BL ruined the setting before GW did
Explain?

I have an idea. Lets forget that 5th-7th editions existed and go back to 4th ed.

>>51083461

You can, but the whole point of playing Space Wolves is to use their wolf units.

>>51083468
>If only you could play actual CSM effectively
traitor legions u prinle

>>51083504
>literally the age of Fish of Fury
No.

>>51083504
5th wasn't too terrible depending on your perspective on the 'Cron switch, I feel as if it's 6/7th Edition that caused the most issues, particularly 7th.

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RGG here reporting Death Guard forfeit in turn 4 due to overwhelming objective superiority. That and a Battle Cannon deleted his melta raptors turn one.

>>51083486
Chaos won before the horus heresy even started
Setting is doomed but not because of anything done by the loyalists, xenos or CSM, but because magnus tried to send a message
Emperor acts nothing like everything else indicates he should
Abby's sword is made from the daemon created by the first murder, who is the betest daemon evar and can kill the emperor but can't be killed by emps
Daddy issues galore

>>51083509
eh maybe ill just paint them like space wolves and play them as regular space marines

>>51083527
Spiritual Liege, Deep Striking Land Raiders, Baby Carriers, etc. 5th had problems...

>>51083568
You forgot: Draigo and smashing Mortarion, Perpetual GK,flying librarian dreds and Swarmlord.

>>51083377
250 points
ws 2
bs 3
s 3
t 4
w 2
i 4
a 2
LD 10
sv 4+
couple of typical character rules and that rule that provides an invuln to all vehicles in range.

>>51083557
They do get neat non-wolf things. 2x specials in 10 man squads who can all buy CCWs, Long Fangs, Dreads, unique HQs.

Wulfen could be converted to be less wolfy.

>>51083486
>Horus was a expendable pawn and he was a distraction carnifex because the gods only wanted to destroyed the webway project
>Abaddon's sword might as well lead the black crusade since it's super special daemon immune to the sisters of silence, killing Titans in seconds and overpowering custodes and Kastellax as soon as it gets close to them
>super sword that almost killed the Emperor easily and even though he can literally extinguish Souls from existence can't destroy it because it's a super special undivided daemon
Pick your poison

>>51083588
Nice, but i think little OP.

I've be reading the 1d4chan wiki for the past few days, mostly warhammer stuff, and I was wondering if anyone has a few suggestions for novels I could read? Imperial guards are pretty dope, Necrons could be cool if there are any books written with them as a focus beyond horrifying enemy. Same goes for Tomb Kings.

Game related question: Why the FUCK are the rule books for warhammer games so expensive? All the ones I've seen don't even break 200 pages but they're like 60 bucks, what the fuck. Is Geedubs REALLY that fucking money grubby?

>>51083589
thanks I really dug the space Viking thing and wanted to go more for that

>>51083603
I forgot to mention that he's a fast walker

>>51083591
Forgot daddy issues and emprah being a complete dick who talk about primarchs as numbers..

>>51083514
>I literally can't read: The post

>>51083539
>Chaos won before the horus heresy even started
>Setting is doomed but not because of anything done by the loyalists, xenos or CSM, but because magnus tried to send a message
>Emperor acts nothing like everything else indicates he should
I expected better from ADB.

>Abby's sword is made from the daemon created by the first murder, who is the betest daemon evar and can kill the emperor but can't be killed by emps
How the hell could 'the first murder' create a Daemon stronger than the Emperor? I mean the Warp was described as a calm, ineffectual place back in the day and it took a galaxy spanning war to create what we know as the Dark Gods, daemons being fragments of said Gods given life.

A single murder simply wouldn't create the necessary backlash to create such a powerful entity. Whether it was the first or the 6,000,000th you'd need a shit ton of souls and emotions that in the end would only end up powering Khorne.

>>51083626
>Why the FUCK are the rule books for warhammer games so expensive? All the ones I've seen don't even break 200 pages but they're like 60 bucks, what the fuck. Is Geedubs REALLY that fucking money grubby?
Just pirate them

What changes can GW make in 8th to speed up game play?
Average size games, 1500-1850 points take way too long.

I'm hoping we will finally get Chenkov's respawning conscripts in this new book as a formation. chaos cultists kinda stole that

>>51083642
AoS rules and war scrolls are free.

;)

>>51083591
Forgot
>Magnus message literally gave chaos gods the victory because reasons and everything is doomed forever, no take backs, no salvation for reals chaos won GG no re!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if ADB books get the C.S. goto treatment and get retconned into oblivion.

>>51083642
Of course I am, thanks to some russians, I'm just amazed at the cost.

>>51083628
But is he also skimmer? And can he stomp?

>>51081296
Its right here https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

>>51083591
>>51083635
>>51083658
I half agree with you there. I don't mind the idea of a Daemon capable of killing the Emperor, but the whole way it's written from his origins to his power-level is just plain canon-rape.

>>51083657
>AoS rules and war scrolls are free.
>need to expend way more money on the expansion books to make the game barely worth playing
>the "game" is played only by WAAC faggots since "LOL I can use anything I want"
No thanks

>>51083715
Actually the General's Handbook rules on tournament matches create a lot of balance. I'd argue that 40k is much more WAAC than Age of Sigmar.

>>51083657
Yeah, but you'd have to pay me to even think about touching them. AoS is and will always be trash.

>>51083638
>I expected better from ADB.
You shouldn't. BL is utter drivel, and Goldstien, A"the D stands for daddy issues"B and the rest of the dong hunters are 100% the reason most people don't consider BL canon.
So just do what most everyone else does and ignore it, and hide carnac's posts when he says otherwise and for the love of the emperor please do not engage him when he makes those posts.

>>51083314
so many
dice

>>51083683
>even the gods call you anathema
>some random undivided daemon can kill you but he can't
>it's isn't even a greater daemon or Prince
No, it's stupid as fuck

>>51083638
>>I literally can't read: The post
eldar is the only top tier faction that gets played without abusing formations, "traitor legions doesn't count because it's not REAL csm" is some no true scotsman shit

>>51083737
>Hasn't played the game but has strong opinions about it.

It's a faster, more balanced, more stable ruleset than 40k.

>>51083737
AoS is actually a legitimately good game, tbqh.

>>51083664
no he is a drop pod

Is an all droppod army a good idea? or would the first half of it get slagged on the enemies 1st turn auto losing me the game?

>>51083760
>>51083769
I tried playing it when they released the general's handbook. Having done so, I have firmly resolved that my lizardmen will never be leaving their square bases and movement trays, because even with points it's still an insult to wargames

>>51083743
>even the gods call you anathema
>some random undivided daemon can kill you but he can't
>it's isn't even a greater daemon or Prince
That was precisely my point. The daemon's supposed power source (first murder) wouldn't even suffice to create a lesser daemon going by established fluff. If any Daemon could threaten big E it should've been the strongest servant of Tzeench or Khorne (strongest gods).

>>51083760
>faster
Nobody cares
>more balanced
Hahahahahahaha
>stable ruleset
They have next to no rules, cereal boxes games have better rules with more balance.

>>51082265
>Cadia blows up
>Wasn't even Abbadons fault but rather some Necron who swooced in and pushed a button

gg Abby

>>51082999
>You must not remember all the hundreds who tried that shit and got bitched out for formatting

Those were all battle scribe copy pastes. And honestly the picture builder is no better in terms of formatting.

>>51083825
>Making fun of AoS when Eldar, Tau, Necron Decurions and Gladius Strike Forces exist in 40k.

Really???

>>51083537
Yay. Dusting off the rust, RGG stomped in the name of the Emperor. Good job.

>>51083863
>implying that because 40k has problems that means AoS is free from well deserved criticism

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>>51082672
AFTER the fall of Cadia, the Prophet of the 8th will rise, ball bag. Did I not spam this long enough?

>>51083812
And it only gets weirder because it was the first human murder, not the first murder ever, when humans were not so psychic active, why some mook killing other created such powerful daemon? Really ADB only written descent stories when they're about some nobody unknown character made up for that story

>>51083851
Ha, really?

>>51083909

If someone managed to kill the first murder, would it mean that humans can't kill each other anymore since they've destroyed their own universal precedent?

Also, it's meant to as a reference to the story of Cain and Abel from the Bible.

I see all this hate on Black Library.

Can some anons give me a few titles to look over so I can see what all this is about for myself?

>>51081754
It is Typhus.
Brand new paint product line has one new chaos color. Guess what CSM chapter it's named after?

It looks like I'm getting the Triumvirate, any ideas on what I should convert the Inquisitor and Sisters into? (CSM/DarkMech guy here again)

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>>51083926
Pretty much

>>51083863
>implying people play with assholes
>implying a game isn't better when they have a coherent ser of rules that doesn't need both players to agree when they're left to their own devices and below bare minimum rules

>>51083956
Crimson Slaughter?

>>51083523
would you rather triptides and chikunsurge spam?

>>51083931
Just quick from the head.
Legion, Unremembered Empire Dan Abnett, Master of Mankind ADB
Dawn of War series by C.S Goto

>1000
>command, lascannon, vox, nade
>platoon, lascannon
>3x infantry, 3x nade, 1x vox
>1x infantry
>2x3 hw autocannon, 1x3 hw lascannon
>exterminator & eradicator, lascannon, plasma sponson, storm bolter, camo netting
r8

>>51083908
>expecting this much
I pity you, because they won't even be mentioned beyond being killed off screen.

>>51083978

False dichotomy. We could just go to 5E.

>>51083679
>95% of the weapon in the game hits on 2+

dropped.

>>51083970
There's good, concise rules that cover every aspect of the game in AoS - you're just used to too much needless complexity which is why 40k is a bloated, slow mess of a game at the moment.

Since the General's Handbook there's no need to agree, you just use the points system for pitched battles.

>>51083981
>Dawn of War series by C.S. Goto
Oh good god I forgot about the works of the irish leper

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>>51081281
I'm considering some mechanicus/skitarii allies for my guard army, I really like the mechs, anyone got some suggestions for unit choice?

>>51083961
God that's bad, not "oh no!" Bad

Just a bad story

>>51083908
No, you must spam it further, when everybody understand that Curze is alive then you can stop spamming.

>>51084003
i would be infinitely more ok playing against fish of fury than tau monster mash
at least fish of fury makes some fucking sense in traditional tau fluff

>>51084022
>There's good, concise rules that cover every aspect of the game in AoS
Barebones is different than consice anon. But even barebones might be to kind for the four page abortion that is AoS

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So I'm working on this list. Part of me feels like replacing 2 Rockgrinders with 2 additional Armored Sentinels so I can give 2 Hand Flamers apiece to each Acolyte team. Thoughts?

>>51082097
I LIVE IN FUCKING AMERICA. WHY IS THIS VIDEO BLOCKED IN AMERICA? WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE FUCK?...

>>51081296
When Forgeworld makes Emperor and 'angel' models that sell like hot cakes.

>>51084031
That's pretty much GW writing in general. If you want better campaign action you need to go to FW stuff. But even FW isn't exactly literary genius. It's just less wacky because they try to treat the fighting and coverage like an actual military campaign.

>>51083929
It's inconsequential since they're just echoes of that moment, killing them forever do nothing to the those precedents.

>>51081445
warlords titan

Is there anyway to put Malikim Phoros into a list made with the picture list maker?

>>51084022
>Since the General's Handbook there's no need to agree, you just use the points system for pitched battles.
>let's play, a 1500 pts game, I use my three stormsurge, now it's your turn!

>>51084053
Chess is like one single page of rules.

AoS is deeper than you're giving it credit. Positioning matters, a lot.
Everything can hurt everything else.
Instead of pages and pages of special rules, you just have all of them on war scrolls.
Terrain has special rules that affect the battle.
Playing to the specific scenario is more important than just tabling your opponent.
Mortal Wounds and Battle Shock are amazing concepts that should be imported to 40k.

>>51084063
GW campaigns read like a Saturday morning cartoon, all "duels and Special Characters and the newest monster of the week" (Shield of Baal was pretty much "at first the Imperials looked like they had a chance, then suddenly the newest monster came and turned the tide").

Forgeworld, there's a lot of "behind the scenes" politicking as you get an idea of how the Imperium actually wrangles together a fighting force and bashes enough Munitorium heads together!

Exactly what imperial calendar date does Cadia explode? does anyone know?

>>51084031
I'm okay with it to be frank.

Necrons did build the damn pylons and it is their job to contain and push back chaos.

Also Trayzn did mention how Cadia in the Necrons view was a backwater planet for them, so imagine how many worlds the Necrons and other aliens or Inquistor factions have large scale WMD anti-Warp weapons or soace firewalls etc.

Just sucks for the Cadians but they could literally colonize any other planet and rebuild it. Hell the current Cadians are colonists who purged the previous chais worshipping purple eyed natives so not really a big deal.

>>51084084
paint

>>51084075

Does this mean there are warp reflections of the first murder between other sentient species?

I would suspect that reflection is given power based on the significance of murder between those sentients. Orks wouldn't much matter because it's the Orky way, and so is subsumed into the Ork gods. Eldar's reflection of murder is probably Khaine, or a similarly powerful Eldar entity. Humans never really owned their own Chaos god or had a uniquely human pantheon (Emperor came later and/or is not yet a true god), unlike Orks and Eldar which have their own gods, so theirs is claimed by Chaos undivided.

>>51083585
I put etc. as a catch all for that garbage.

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How's this look for a Skitarii 1500, sort of an all-comers list?

Dominus Maniple
10x Vanguard
Omnispex, 3x Plasma Caliver
200pts

Dunecrawler
Icarus Array, Heavy Stubber
130pts

Tech-Priest Dominus
Phosphor Serpenta, Conversion Field, The Scryerskull Perspicatus
140pts

Ironstrider Cavalries
2x Dragoons
Phosphor Serpenta
110pts

Ironstrider Ballistari
55pts

Skitarii Maniple
10x Vanguard
Omnispex
110pts

10x Vanguard
Omnispex
110pts

Elimination Maniple
Kastelan Robot Maniple
Conversion Field, Twin Linked Phosphor Blasters, Incendine Combustors
315pts

3x Kataphron Destroyers
Grav Cannons, Phosphor Blaster
165pts

3x Kataphron Destroyers
Grav Cannons, Phosphor Blaster
165pts

Total 1500pts

See, I can type the list AND provide a picture.

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>>51084107
>Comparing chess to AoS
Just no, don't fucking go there.

>>51084107
>AoS is deeper than you're giving it credit. Positioning matters, a lot.
Oh man, postioning matters? That's totally innovative! Oh wait, postioning matters in every wargame.
>Everything can hurt everything else.
A) that was true in WHFB
B) a gretichin being able to kill a dragon is not a merit of a good system
>Instead of pages and pages of special rules, you just have all of them on war scrolls.
That is one feature I'll give it credit for
>Terrain has special rules that affect the battle.
Once again, that's true in both WHFB and 40k.
>Playing to the specific scenario is more important than just tabling your opponent.
Oh gee, narrative play? That's totally unique to AoS, right?
>Mortal Wounds and Battle Shock are amazing concepts that should be imported to 40k.
Battleshock is OK. Mortal wounds are most definitely not.

>>51083504
>no Ad Mech
>suffering through the release of CSM 4 again

gfy kys etc

>>51084030
If you can wait a few months longer, wait for the next Imperial Armor book, as that one will focus a lot on AdMec and include the Thallax you posted, a few transport vehicles for them and we might also have a combined codex (or at least announcement) until then.

If you really don't want to wait, the only actual big Mechs you have are Castellans, which are a big point sink but pretty sturdy and can deal quite some damage and the Onager Dunecrawler, which is, in my opinion, one of the best regular-sized Walker units in the game due to its versatility and support options.

The only units in the AdMec books you should generally avoid are Electro-Priests, Skitarii Rangers and to an extent Ruststalkers, though only the first of those is in the "avoid at all costs" category. The other two can still have their uses.

>>51084183
The fuck are mortal wounds?

>>51084147
Personally not a fan of the Ballistari, though the list overall looks alright for a non-WarConvo AdMec list. I would swap the Ballistari for another Vanguard squad or some Wargear, but that's just me.

>>51084196
auto armor ignoring wounds
basically rending

>>51083995
needs one more troops choice to make it a CAD, vets or another platoon

>>51084084
Email the website guys and ask for it to be added you shitlord.

>>51084107
>Mortal Wounds and Battle Shock are amazing concepts that should be imported to 40k.
Hahahahahahaha
Oh yes, battle shock is such a great idea.
>my space marines took 3 casualties, and I rolled a 6, which means they lose 1 model. Because failing a glorified morale check causing guys to die makes total sense

>>51084209
Well with the Ironstrider formation, all three of them get Outflank and the Ironstrider can fire through the Dragoons without conferring a cover save. Plus they get to-hit rerolls on a unit I pick first turn. I like both of the walkers so I figured this is a good way to put them in there.

And I consider anything below 1500 a non-Convocation list, since I think Convocation starts around there, and is rather cheesy to take non-1850 in my opinion.

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>>51084219
That is a nice fresh meme, made me kek

>>51084217
shouldn't it be fine if the 4th infantry isn't part of the platoon?

>>51084107
>AoS is deeper than you're giving it credit. Positioning matters, a lot.
Water pond deep
>Everything can hurt everything else.
You're saying it as if it was a good thing
>Instead of pages and pages of special rules, you just have all of them on war scrolls.
Is looking trough a codex that hard for you?
>Terrain has special rules that affect the battle.
That existed long before AoS
>Playing to the specific scenario is more important than just tabling your opponent.
That also already existed
>Mortal Wounds and Battle Shock are amazing concepts that should be imported to 40k.
Those are based on existing rules and rules from the old whfb

>>51084235
Meanwhile ATSKNF is a thing, fear is useless, fearless is way too widespread.

God forbid a morale score actually be relevant and useful in a game.

>>51084248
no Infatryhas to be a part of platoon. one platoon counts as a single troops choice

>>51084246
thanks my man

>>51084213
How does one inflict them? As i decided to read the rules but i cant seem to find anything about that.

>>51084255
Literally everyone is some kind of superhuman or genetically/chemically/magically/fuckery modified fuckbeast. There's only a few armies that would even HAVE the notion of fear beyond 'tactical retreat'.

>>51084255
>morale is ignored by many armies now, so therefore making morale outright remove guys is good
Nice false dichotomy.

>>51084244
Oh, right, didn't even notice that they are the formation, never mind then, the list is good.

And yes, WarConvo is cheesy as fuck at that point range. Was really hoping any of the FoC formations would be a good alternative and usable in medium-size games, though the one with the Knight will undoubtedly not be as good as a War Convocation of its size, the one with the Enginseer has a lot of pretty bad units in it and both are most definitely not able to be smaller than a War Convocation.

And then there's the Cohort Mechanicus which has all kinds of problems.

>People defending Space marine super friends, librarius conclaves, Wraithknights, invisible grav centurions, scatter bike spam, free transports, and a textbook of rules.

>>51084270
They just happen. If a model has a mortal wound attack, like some of the results for the engine of the gods for instance, then the mortal wound just happens. No need to roll to hit to wound or saving throws

>>51084270
certain special abilities and weapons inflict them depends on the unit

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Any rules leaks yet?

I want to see if Templars actually got anything

>>51084294
I wouldn't mind some kind of one-shot 'THIS IS MY FINAL ATTACK' sort of bullshit from your warlord that costs to take, and if you fuck it up in any way it leaves you hella vulnerable. Anything to make the game a little more RPG like is good in my opinion.

>>51084277
>false dichotomy
You like using that phrase don't you?

>>51084288
>can't defend his shit game, so he'll attack 40k.
Nobody (save baiters and a few deluded individuals) will say that the over the top cheese for 40k is a good thing.
But that doesn't mean that AoS isn't a shit game

>>51084277
Ever heard of sweeping advance?

I guess you'd prefer to fail a moral test and lose the entire unit instead?

>>51084314

That wasn't me.

>>51084270
some weapon deals flat 3 or 6 mortal wound for exemple.
some its on a 6 to hit it depends

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>>51084288
>Lets totally trash the rulebook because the codexes are unbalanced

>>51082478
>consistently well-written crunch (Ward),
I want this meme to end. Ward had gimmicky rules and generally wrote mediocre crunch at best. He wasn't Crud and that's about as much as you can say in his favour.

>>51084196
Basically 6ed D weapons, they don't allow saves of any kind and automatically wound.

>>51084314
I use it when it's appropriate. Don't propose them if you don't want people to call you out on it.

Oh one more good thing for AoS: formations that add bonuses to units actually cost points to get those bonuses.

>>51084262
i didn't realize infantry had to be part of a platoon, i suppose this applies to heavy and special weapons too then? very helpful to know, didn't understand that from the platoon page
i'll remove the 4th infantry, put multimeltas on the leman russes instead of plasmas, and add some veterans with carapace armour, can throw in another nade launcher

>>51084347
>one more
That implies there more than one good thing.

So I found a Dunecrawler for like 25 bucks on craigslist. Is this worth picking up? What are the chances I'm going to run more dunecrawlers out of a Dominus Maniple? I've heard that a Dominus maniple is basically essential without a War Convo.

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>>51084107
>Instead of pages and pages of special rules, you just have all of them on war scrolls.

>Instead of having a set of special rules universal to all units

>Lets have every single unit in the game have its own special rules so you have to constantly flip through sheets upon sheets of warscrolls whenever two units interact

WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA

>>51081733
Definately a fast army, but your AT is lacking a bit. I imagine you'd have great board control. Am I to assume the scouts are your Librarian's retinue?

>>51084302
This. Frankly I am following this cluster fuck of a thread with it's AoS nonsense and random faggotry.

I just want some damn rules leaks already.

>>51084364
You have to do that in 40k already, as units have unique special rules as well as the rulebook ones.

>>51084317
>reaching assault distance
Good luck there

>>51084347
this is really important desu

AoS is poop but free formations really shoehorn army building into a few archetypes and in turn a only a few units that are in every fucking meta army

>>51084394
As stated, thats a problem with the codexes, not the main rules

>>51084193
Yeah the Kastelans in particular, I really like; would you happen to know the kind of role they have on the table?

>>51084317
>a unit overwhelming and slaughtering a bested foe is totally the same thing as failing a morale check causing guys to just disappear guys.

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Who the fuck cares about AoS in a 40k thread?

Fucking Emperor's hairy nuts can we shut the fuck up about how good or bad AOS is? Want to debate it, then take it to the AOS thread instead of wasting everyone's time with this Nurgle encrusted bullshit.

Now where the fucking warp are the leaks for Fall of Cadia's detachments?

>>51084416
I'd still prefer them written in the unit entry.

>>51084394
>implying those rules aren't easily found with the minimum effort
You're either too lazy or too stupid to use a book.

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>>51084030
I enjoy a dose of grimdark every now and then, but this is a bit silly.
What was the committee meeting on this thing like?

>Magos Thaalii, we hear news that you're making your own technology again. Didn't we talk about this?
Fabricator, listen, I know we're not all about that, but I have found a way to have heavy infantry carry tank-sized weaponry.
>Oh? Can I see it's readme.datalate file?
Sure. Now I know it looks bad at first-
>Thallii?
Yes, Fabricator?
>The fuck is this?
Now, hear me out-
>The fuck are those? The fuck is THAT?
Fabricator, please, if you'd-
>MAGOS!
Y-yes most m-metal one?
>Are you the one producing these machines, with a higher fatality and turnaround rate than the damned Astartes, and loading them up with top-secret machines?
I...uh...well...a little.
>I'll take eight!

>>51084419
They're T7 W3 monstrous creatures with either dual power fists, or dual TL phosphor blasters (s6 AP3 heavy 3, 36", when model is hit, allows charging models to reroll charging distance) and either a torrent heavy flamer or another phosphor blaster. They're lead by a nasty MeQ with a 2+sv. They also have their own orders that can be changed at the end of your turn. Double attack, no shooting
Feel no pain
Double shooting, but Immobilized.

They're basically a mini deathstar on their own.

>>51083314
I would have to build some sort of automatic dice rolling machine to help me handle that much shooting.

But I think the lasgun stats are carefully crafted to work the way they work. Under current rules, a squad of guardsmen throw out 18 shots using FRFSRF at 12<x<=24 inch range.
18 shots ->9 hits
9 hits->3 wounds on a space marine squad
3+ save->1 wound.

So an entire squad rank firing or rapid firing can kill about single space marine on average. Rank-Rapid Fire gets you 1.5 kills. The sergeant can sometimes help with the dinkpistol but that's just one extra shot in rapid fire range.

>>51084453
>I'll take eight!
Khorne approves.

>>51083801

Soooo...I'll take that as a maybe?

I read spoilers for FoC. I'm fan of the Imperium, but also I like Chaos very much(Abaddon too).
Now I want to fucking die :(.

>>51084452
Shouldn't you be directing that at the anon I replied to then?

>>51084470
Depends on your CT and load out.

As with all tactics a lot of things come into play on if it's good. Like your local meta.

Just play what you like and what works for you and fuck the rest.

Does anybody in this thread own a resin Abaddon? I was wondering about the difference in the level of detail - for example Huron Blackheart looks twice as good now, and I was wondering if the same was true for old Armless.

>>51084479
No, because AoS is even more of a mess than 40k

>>51083801
If you have a huge point limit, go Spear of Sicarius. It's pretty point hefty but it's also a painful piece of ass.

>>51082741

Cadia has been blown in half. That now leaves two halves of Cadia to continue fighting over.

I mean, Blizzard blew up Draenor but when they needed it for plot purposes lo and behold turns out a huge inhabitable part of it survived.

>>51084568
I don't see what that has to do with having the special rules written out on a unit entry. It's not like they're hurting for space.

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>>51082741

Ghazzy is going to unite the warring Ork Empires next to Cadia and then send them right into the fight. Ghazzy will then rip Abbadon's arms out of their sockets. Storm of Chaos ending motherfuckers.

>>51084651
>Storm of Chaos ending motherfuckers
That would be great.

>>51082683
You get +1 internet tonight, enjoy
the "failbaddon" routine grows deeply tiresome everytime it's trotted out because some kid read it once and now has a raging hate on for him because the internet said he should...

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>>51084235
>>my space marines took 3 casualties, and I rolled a 6, which means they lose 1 model. Because failing a glorified morale check causing guys to die makes total sense

>>51084742
>AoS is so bad they use their rules to punish orkz
Ouch!, sorry ork Bros.

This is the deadest general in a long time.

>>51082762
Lol! Hit it with some strength ten and watch him cry

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>>51083638
It's supposed to be painted that the daemon isn't "stronger than the emperor" but specifically that the emperor is weak to this particular daemon... it just isn't written in a way that tells that well

>>51083657
Solid game, ignore the haters, enjoy the goodness