Just how gay is your setting?

Please take this discussion to either /pol/ or /lgbt/, as it is nothing more than bait for people who identify themselves as homosexuals to pretend they're somehow normal, because they feel insecure unless parading about their fetish at every available opportunity.

>>51073348
Pretty gay, truth be told.

>>51073348
Same sex sex occurs sometimes.

>>51073348
It's not gay, but it is pretty lesbian

>>51073380
>all this ironic insecurity

>>51073348
Well, it's inspired by early 1990s JRPGs like Final Fantasy, Phantasy Star, Chrono Trigger, and Dragon Quest, so... how gay were those back in the day?

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>>51073439
Ugh gayer!

>>51073348
Well, I would like it gayer...

>>51073537
78% gay

>>51073537
Not very.

>>51073348
Surprisingly not that gay considering we have a gay guy in our group. He had a sad backstory about his character having a Groundhog's Day thing with a guy, except with the bad end where he never remembered. Still, that was a single five minute exposition in a two-year campaign.

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>>51073348
It could be more gay. Why? What are you proposing?

>>51073537
I dunno man those haircuts are pretty faggy.

>>51073348
My setting doesn't have any religious prohibitions against homosexuality so the cultures generally have a lot less problems with it. A lot of the cultures do posit producing heirs as an inherent male duty, but it's seen as normal and healthy to fuck around with the same sex every now and then.

>>51073536
>being not just a faggot, but a hypocrite

Your insecurity must be at a high point in 2017.

>>51073348
My fantasy setting has same sex couplers and even marriage, but that is only in certain areas. My sci-fi setting has no gayness in to because gender and ideas of sexuality are a bit outdated and no one cares when you can go to a clinic and get a new set of sexual organs fitted that work like you were born with them.

And then there is my Cyberpunk Setting. . . It has Futanari bars and 40 year old business men becoming full borgs so they can be little girls. That setting is fucking gay as fuck and wonderful for it.

>>51073537
Not incredibly. Most of it that happened was in the form of a joke

>>51073619
Holy shit you're a retard.

>>51073610
Every town and city has it's very own all-Tenor Soprano A Capella quartet each singing a different song by The Village People.

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>>51073348
Interesting fact:
Entry into the thrall of Orcus PrC requires you to have a sexually transmitted disease you can only get through necrophilia, or the Undead- and subsequently the PrC includes powers of horrible body odor, and the spreading of disease.

There's a reason why Orcus is a giant red bara Goat/pig hybrid with a fagut, pierced nipples that has Undead Sprawled around his legs and all his servants are fucked up looking old people, elites who hide their depravities behind closed doors, and why he tussels with a tentacle monkey and a tiny manwhore, and why most of the time he's sitting on his fat ass on his throne of skulls because he can hand Death Knighthood and Lichdom out like free candy to pleb spellcasters who he get's to do utterly horrible things that have almost nothing to do with the transformation process at hand.

You literally have to be a Poz Pig Podesta tier motherfucker to worship him, Orcus is flat hard gaybait walking.

Fantasy setting inspired by Ancient Greece, so... pretty fucking gay.

My setting has homosexuals either cured or killed.

It's a nice setting.

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>>51073646
Also his followers are all predominately male, and his first temple he had had women in cages, infact, most of the art of him with women has them cast down at his hooves in some submissive or conquered position which, given his portfolio over the undead, makes sense, women are the bearers of life after all.

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>>51073619
>40 year old business men becoming full borgs so they can be little girls

Is there anyone in-setting that has any level of morality to be opposed to this sort of stuff? I'd imagine even in a technological utopia where literally anything is possible there's going to be some group(s) of people who think this is just absolutely disgusting.

>>51073614
Also I should probably mention that same sex marriage isn't a thing in my setting because the idea of partnering up with someone for life except to produce and raise children is odd. Marriage is more a social and political contract and taking a few extramarital lovers is seen as the norm.

Romantic love is generally thought of separately from sex and intimacy, and is just as likely to be found between sworn bloodbrothers as it is a married couple or young village sweethearts. Still, it's accepted that it all often goes hand in hand.

Yes, I'm projecting. No, I don't care.

None of this is particularly important though because I have no interest in writing a romance in this setting and the only time so-and-so's husband or lover or mistress will be mentioned is in the context of social/political intrigue.

>>51073646
Alternatively you can just pretend the Book of Vile Darkness never existed like the rest of polite society. I mean it's better than FATAL or that d20 modern book with the armor made magically out of literal shit, but it's still pretty bad

>>51073688
At the point where your identification is a transmitted signal that anyone and everyone can detect and read I think there isn't any point to trying for the morally indignant route.

>>51073659
>gay

You don't understand ancient Greece, and your historical revisionism that you spam in each of these threads is what classifies them as troll threads.

1. "Homosexuality" is a modern concept, barely two hundred years old.
2. Even the rare man who had a sexual preference for men was still expected to have sex with women. Ancient people would look upon modern homosexuals with absolute bewilderment and disgust.
3. Pederasty is not the same thing as homosexuality, with it being limited to special castes, being between an adult and a child, and with insertion being discouraged. Male adult-adult relationships in cultures that practiced pederasty were likewise discouraged and treated with disdain.

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>Numenera

Gender can be accidentally warped by like 8000 different ancient nano threats. Life is brief, dangerous and often very lonely. Yes, it's gay, and the gayer the better I say. Let the humans have their fun before the 10th World arrives and they go extinct.

>>51073507
How is that not gay?

>>51073660

How do I downvote this post? It's incredibly homophobic and offensive to any human being with an ounce of dignity or empathy left in their spirit

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>>51073675

>>51073688
In a technological utopia I would sort of doubt it. People mostly care about that shit only if they're poor and stupid or they have something to gain from aligning themselves with people that are poor and stupid and that in theory would be the one place that's not an issue. For what the person in question was saying I'm guessing those are examples from the more seedy parts of society

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>>51073771

>>51073753
>humans on the verge of extinction in a dangerous environment

That would make them less gay, not more. It's weird how faggots like to try and insanely justify making established settings as gay as they are. That might be one of the many, many reasons people hate faggots.

>>51073767
Quit replying to your own posts.

>>51073767
I had a feeling you spamming faggots were from Reddit.

>>51073792

That is NOT my post. Let me be clear, I would NEVER post anything like that.

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>>51073675
Welcome to the gay dead club, leave your decency at the door.
What was the name of that awful fetish where you fuck a bloated corpse with maggots in it as someone else jumps on the stomach to send the gastric juices out that have putrefied?

>>51073774
>People mostly care about that shit only if they're poor
that's a roundabout way of saying people only care about socially beneficial norms when they matter.

Are you proposing social technology is doomed to collapse as physical technology improves? Capitalism, grimdark style?

Congratulations. You guys fucked up another thread.

>>51073766
LGTB.
Apparently lesbian=/=gay anymore.

>>51073808
I heard it called splunking.

Not sure if that's just a local word for it.

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And Orcus after he hit the gym to acquire Less fat bara and more Bear-mode bara aesthetics for his big romp with Demonignog- I mean Monkey Trouble

>>51073348
any LGBT faggot shit doesn't and simply can't exist in my settings. as the author i hate gays and other subhumans so i exclude them from my escapist fictional worlds

>>51073712
It's actually pretty good if you're not a dumb faggot.

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And now for an active Orcus Cult ritual with an aspect of Orcus.
Note how he is butt naked and probably waving his junk behind the cult leader, and the place is full of red incense smoke and probably a burned children from one of those nasty cult ritual furnaces.

Does it count as gay if it's a eunuch?

>>51073823
>fucked up a /lgbt/ troll thread

They're fucked from the start, you dumb faggot. That's why you have a containment board to begin with.

>>51073348
We all play incube/succube and i'm the only who isn't french.

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>>51073716
>>51073774
I dunno, it's hard for me to imagine that morality would simply die out in such a world. Surely there has to be someone who would find the idea of becoming a cyborg loli so that way men your age could pretend to be pedophiles but still be in a legal gray area because the cyborg loli in question is of adult age, at least before the operation.

>>51073348
I mean, Golarion.

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>>51073380
>>51073615
>>51073660
>>51073767
>>51073803
>>51073848
Here's your (you)s.

Bye.

Also, Search Orcus on google and look at the images presented to the far right.

>>51073877
I'm talking to everyone, OP and posters. A thread died for this Shit.

We could've ignored it, or sage-bombed it to bump limit, or... never mind, I'm obviously expecting way too much of a board that falls for this all too easily.

Is it wrong if I make almost every character I play gay? The games I play with my group hardly ever bring up sex or relationships, and I never bring up that part of myself anyway.

>>51073348
Not particularly. Homosexuality isn't rare but it isn't common either. Nobody makes a big deal about it other than parents who were really hoping to have grandkids someday. Unless a king's only son turns out to be gay it's just a background detail.

However, if you consider futa gay then my setting is extra gay. Descendants of gods can sometimes manifest the physical traits of the gods, and one of the gods is a hermaphrodite. This god is not shy about having relationships with mortals, so hermaphroditism is not unheard of (though, not widely acknowledged).

>>51073734
They fucked each other in the bum though. Pretty gay.

>>51074013
why would that be wrong? As long as you aren't making it the character focus that should be fine. Relationship bullshit in games is typically awful anyway, whether it's gay or straight

>>51073815
Well I would say that creative destruction applies to values just as much as anything else. Why ban pork if it's safe to eat? At some point it's just a matter of stubbornness dragging other people down more than any sort of function, and I doubt that can hold out forever in a vacuum. When people start throwing the word "utopia" around I just assume they've reach the point where the stupid backlash has faded away
>>51073823
There was nothing to lose. Between it being a shitty premise for a thread and it being edgy to hate gay people on the internet there was never a chance

>>51073646
Orcus wouldn't be gay, because he has sired children. At best, you can argue that he's bisexual, or pansexual (or whatever retarded new word you want to use), but that doesn't really apply to a demon lord who could quite easily have sex with anything and feel zero emotions while doing so.

Orcus is absolutely disgusting and immoral so it's no wonder that homosexuals would be found among his worshipers, but he's actually one of the few Demon Princes that has remnants of his past mortal existence floating around in his ego, and who feels confident enough in his own strength to sire his wild oats among the planes. He was actually wise in doing so, since his children have granted him great strength and influence in the mortal realm.

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>bara
I hate how it's now associated with being a giant flaming faggot.

Why can't I be a big strong, buff, hairy, kinda chubby guy that loves cute girls because of how dainty and soft they are?

>>51073933
Hey, I'm one of those.

>>51074013
Yes, and you're a dumbfuck for doing so.
I would kick you out of my group without hesitation.

>>51073948
A thread dies for every new thread. It's the circle of life. We can only hope the thread that died was already on its last legs or something even worse than this.

>>51074123
Is it wrong if I make almost every character I play straight? The games I play with my group hardly ever bring up sex or relationships, and I never bring up that part of myself anyway.

My setting features Trap Changelings that turn into whatever you desire, and Orcs got replaced with Mandrill Men who worship Demogorgon and are entirely male and can only reproduce via M-pregging eachother's muscular man butts or magically M-pregging only the manliest men of other races or being M-pregged by them.

On the otherhand I made Mindflayers more octopus-like and entirely dedicated to whiping out the Homomonkeies and Trannylings on the grounds that both escaped the Far Realm eons ago and as agents of the Far Realm the Illithids have been tasked with eradicating all Far Realm beings from everywhere in the Multiverse because for each Far Realm spill over the sane Universe spills back into the Far Realm through a series of portals and the massive insane unknowable alien beings from beyond time and space want to go back to 1/1 like it used to be instead of miscegenated realities.

Even though the Mindflayers are playable and listed as good guys trying to eradicate all escaped horrors and monsters and abominations everyone would rather play Baraboons and Dragonqueens so make of that what you will.

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>>51073348

>>51074091
Because that's not what "bara" means. It doesn't just mean buff men.

Bara is "faggotry made by men" while Yaoi is "faggotry made by women."

In Japan, they're both understood to be deviant fetishtic fantasies, much to the chagrin of western homosexuals who misconstrue "tolerance" for "accepting it as normal."

>>51074171
So if we got traplings and gayapes what did the Far Realms get in this exchange of bullshit?

>>51073945
God bless Gideon and his goofy bullshit.

>>51074070
Because people get really angry over pretty small, insignificant things when I just want to put a bit of myself in a character. Like this guy:>>51074123

>>51074163
That's perfectly normal and reasonable.

Also, don't try the old "false-equivalence" ploy. Trying to equate homosexuality and heterosexuality is a hard fallacy, and is effectively throwing in an automatic loss in any argument.

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>>51074163
>>51074013
>2017
>Not making every character an asexual murderhobo who lives only to kill and grind XP

>>51073348
I'm scrapping it and using the materials for a novel, because there's no way anyone I'd GM for would willingly play it.

>>51074237
But this is games and not real life. Games are fun. If he's not ruining other people's fun (within reason, and you seem fairly unreasonable desu), then why kick him out?

>>51073831
Huh, it kinda makes sense that demon lord of undead would be against procreation. The gayness is not a core concept of his worship, but incidental.

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>>51073734

>the world homosexuality is recent
>therefore homosexuality is recent

>>51073945
Huh. That's a thing. Not what I expected. And technically, I think that's supposed to be one of the sons of Orcus.

>>51074091
Because it's a term from Japan that literally refers to gay porn for men. As opposed to yaoi, which is gay porn for women.

>>51074091

"bara" means literally "wild rose", and is the term to classify gay hentai written for a male audience, as opposed to yaoi, which are gay hentai written for a female audience

>>51073348

It'll never be as gay as you, OP.

>>51074224
>I've allowed a fetish to define myself
>small, insignificant

You dumb faggot. Even the idea that you would think a fetish is important enough to mark your character with it already puts you on the level where you can't argue it's not important to you.

You're faggotty "It's not a big deal, I just obsess about it" bullshit is just you hoping that you can convince people it's somehow normal and not really special, when you're literally allowing your fetish to dominate everything from your personality to your politics.

Want to convince me you don't let your faggotry dominate your identity? Don't be such a dumb faggot first.

>>51074204

>the child porn industry nation is the moral authority on buttfucking

>>51074091
bara is a gay term though you fag. Technically, it's a pejorative term too. You are literally complaining that the word is being used correctly.

>>51073537

Gay as hell.

>>51074340

>posted on a weaboo website

I've got sad news for you, anon

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>>51074340
Jesus man

>live in small town were 3 out of 1600~ people are openly gay
It just doesn't come up. They neither explicitly exist nor don't exist.
>tfw starting a game with cityboys from school and not sure if worm cans are going to be opened

>>51074212
Perpetually petulant vaugly humanoid blobs of protoplasm that campaign for the rights of the sane endlessly and follow the other Far Realm phantoms and thought lines around berating them for lack of inclusiveness. Every eon that passes inside the Far Realm causes them to become a little more Humanoid-like and they rapidly been moving down from infinite genders to only 15 at the current eon and the warp paterns in the Far Realm dread what happens when they get down to a single gender. They've begun refering to themselves as Normals and building safe civilizations with walls that radiate abhorent normalacy that burns Far Realm beings like sun to a vampire. The plan is that when the Illithids and Aboleths succeed in cleansing the Real Realm of taint that they'll shove the Normals through the rifts and then slam the shut and start reinforcing the planer boundries so that shit never happens again. It's currently a race against epochs to get them out before the reach a single normalized state and then spread like a cancer.

>>51074362
>Arguing about sexuality on a Lao model train enthusiast image board

>>51074409
that's a pretty wacky setting you got there anon, anything else good going on in it?

>>51074274
The concept itself is recent. You can go ahead and try to argue that people in the past were homosexual, but that fails for two major reasons.

1. Homosexuality requires self-identification. You cannot be a homosexual unless you understand and identify yourself to be as such.
2. The concept of an immutable, inherent, sexual orientation is absent from history up until the last several decades. At best, there was the idea of sexual preferences, but even that is hardly universal.

Men have been having "sex" with everything since the dawn of time, ranging from corpses, animals, children, plants, holes in the ground, and even other men, so no one is going to argue that homosexual acts did not take place. But, homosexuality itself is a strange concept that is at odds with the understanding of sexuality for the entirety of humanity's past history and even the majority of people living today.

>>51074340
>put a bit of myself
>define myself
You're exaggerating for comedic effect, anon.

>>51074413


>not arguing about the sexuality of trains and trains enthusiast

>>51074444
Curious, when it changed?

>>51074444

Therefore it's the same as saying heterosexuality did not exist because people did not identify as heterosexual. It's semantics.

>>51073348
About as gay as real life, I guess? Those sorts of demographics don't really come up.

>>51074274
Vikings held that being the bottom was shameful, so I can't personally call them homosexual as that's supposed to be an equal relationship. Pretty much every other "homosexual" behaviour in history to the extent of my knowledge was like that too.

>>51074501

You seem confused. Homosexual literally means "same sex", it does not matter if it is equal or not.

By your definition you cannot call heterosexual anything that is not an equal relationship.

Then, didn't emperor Adrian deify his bottom boy once he died?

>>51074327
What is really amusing is the word yaoi is an acronym for four other words, basically standing for "no sex, no joy, no reason, no climax."

>>51074266
>>51073831

You guys realize Orcus has kids, right? Like he has less kids than Graz'zt and Demogorgon (And has fucked Malcanthet less than either of them) but he totally has kids.

>>51074409
I'm using this.

>>51074572
That, or "stop, my ass hurts!" in Japanese

>>51074342
Funnily enough, Japan actually has extremely low rates of child abuse and convicted pedophiles, especially compared to other East Asian countries and countries with strict censorship like America and Australia.

Perhaps it's because there is a cultural understanding in Japan between "fantasy" and "reality" that is always on the forefront of discussion. You can barely take six steps in Japanese fiction without encountering someone questioning what is real, the dissonance between our fantasies and our impulses, or how a person's inner thoughts and societal presence/impact are often at distinct odds.

>>51074573
I'm talking about his cult. Homosexuality is an alternative deathstyle, after all.

>>51074533
I don't. I call that abuse, anon. And yeah Hadrian diefied his lover Antinous, so I guess that's homosexual though that does make Hadrian a bit of a weirdo who can't move on.

>>51074597

Or because they have so much porn they become disilluded with sex.

Or they are so beta even a child causes them to go spaghetti

>>51074597
Japanese literature has always been a place for the discussion of philosophical and social constructs, because their real life is so heavily regulated there isn't room for it there.

>>51074623

Unequality does not equal abuse, tumblr-kun

It's fuckin' ancient greece. How much gayer could it be?

Not very.

There are three culturally distinct human societies.
One considers it acceptable amongst the nobility and a rare oddity amongst the peasants.
The second one considers it deviancy and if it came out it would seriously hurt someones standing in society.
The third one harshly punishes all transgressions against societal norms, including homosexuality, due to religious dogma.

On the other hand the southern continent is dominated by hermaphroditic snakepeople. I guess thats kinda gayish.

>>51073608
Wait, is the guy gay, or is his character gay, or both?

>>51074642

Literature in general has always been that.

Hell, originally american sci-fi was "we cannot discuss ethics due to the cold war, we'll set them in space"

>>51074443
There's a Plane of Crystal Thought and Dream Light that can only be accessed through gates in the cores of giant underground crashed alien world ships that's basically the Plane of 80's and 90's "Hackerverse" Internet a lot like Reboot and every Hackerz movie. It's reached by the average person when they sleep anywhere near one of the ships, which are each many miles long and the Baraboons and Traplings corrupt people through it as well as other beings.

>>51074496
You can go ahead and say heterosexuality did not exist, because the concept of an immutable, inherent sexual orientation still has no firm scientific backing.

We can discuss ideas like sexual preferences all the way back to some of the first writings, but sexual orientation is a thoroughly modern idea, and one that likely was constructed out of fear of social engineering that was becoming popular, along with the hopes that science would eventually produce some evidence for the theory.

The idea that a homosexual is not simply a person with a fetish, but someone who is innately predisposed towards being a homosexual and cannot in any way change, offers a singular ultimatum of either tolerance or death. An interesting gamble, except that the majority of the world, upon hearing this ultimatum, has decided that if homosexuals really do choose to believe that they cannot change their sexual preference, then yes, society should be willing to kill them.

It's almost amusing.

>>51074661
Not really that gay.

>>51073734

>>51074767
>sexual orientation is a thoroughly modern idea
Okay, where and when it sprung up?

>>51073348
The party met a baron's only son who didn't like wimminz but felt obligated to pass on his genes so the family didn't die out.
I think that's the only time it's come up.

>>51074767

Except that homosexuality is not a fetish. That's like saying heterosexuality is a fetish. And it's in fact scientifically proven that homosexuals are innately predisposed towards homosexuality, and that repair therapies do not work.

Hell, conversion therapies are outright banned and declared as quackery.

Then the "society ultimatum" is a ridicule argument, why should I care for backwards niggers and sandnigger's ideas on who I should buttfuck and who should buy an home with me?

It's like saying tumblr is right if it reaches the majority of consensus

>>51074661
Ancient Rome, where they had strict moral norms that set whores and catamites below farm animals in social status and yet allowed them to fuck boys all day and still pretend they're respectable moral citizens. Greeks were at least honest about their fudgepacking.

>>51074588
If you do use it remember to have the Mindflayers explain why they do what they do in great detail and if anyone disagrees with them have them ask why the others would willingly condem an entire multiverse of thoughts and biengs which while strange and different seek only to make things right again. Is it really a non-evil act to condem strange things from beyond time and space to a normalacy that you yourself see nothing wrong with while knowing it is anathema to them just so that beings on this side of the rift can get quick meaningless sexual gratification.

>>51073734
So if pederasty is the term for male-boychild relations, what's the feminine version?

>>51074837
Oh, the illithids have another role to play. They're a closed loop causality issue the PCs inflicted on themselves.

>>51074340
You dumb f-f-faggot, stop obsessing a-about your fetish, you're so obsessed you DUMB FAGGOT, you're OBSESSED with SWEATY, OBSCENE ANAL SEX you FUCKING DUMB FAGGOT IM NOT OBSESSED YOURE OBSESSED YOU DUMB STUPID FAGGOT YOURE OBSESSED YOURE OBSESSE D YOUR STUPID GROSS NOT AT AALL HOT FETISHES ARE GROSS AND DEVINANTNT YOU RBEOSSESSED YOU RBOAFASDAF

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>>51074881

I almost expected this to end with a

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>51074778
pedo detected.

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>>51074848

One of the PCs is gay, another is bisexual, my character is a mute dragonborn without any obvious sexual characteristics and I refuse to consistently gender him/her.

>>51074675
Both.

>>51074444
>Homosexuality requires self-identification. You cannot be a homosexual unless you understand and identify yourself to be as such.

Keep telling yourself that.

>>51074573
Let's be honest here: How many of them are dead?

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>>51074784
There's a fair amount of debate about that. For the most part, it actually correlates with demands and movements for improved circumstances for women, and does so to the degree that it's hard to deny a relationship. Ultimately, it wasn't even treated as a serious idea until early in the 20th century.

Even famous sodomites of the 1800's like Wilde (who was married and had two children) did not consider themselves homosexuals, and it wasn't until around the time of women's suffrage began to be take seriously in various countries that the idea of a "homosexual orientation" likewise started to take shape in those countries.

On one hand, it's likely that a more relaxed and liberal society would simply extend the hand to any disenfranchised group, but the far more interesting explanation is simply that women, upon being given a measure of power, began to push and pull society in order to help make their yaoi fantasies into realities.

Basically, homosexuality is a Fujoshi construct.

>>51074872
Actually yeah, there is in-setting time travel that's ruled over by an advanced AI that prevents time shenanigans.

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>>51073348
Macedonia meets Sumeria meets Landschnekts.

...so I guess kiiiinda gay?

>>51073688
Sorry was out doing RLS

So yes in the Cyberpunk setting there is lots of people. Religious terrorist mostly, but you do have your usual protesters condemning it, But it all happens in a lawless part of the Combat Zone where anything goes anyhow. In the sci-fi no, no one cares and more but you can go and live on moral or religious worlds where that 'sort of thing' does not happen. In the fantasy games there are places you can be strung up for being gay and places where it is accepted but looked down upon.

>>51074988

Not many?

Demogorgon's the one who keeps throwing his children into the meat grinder, but he makes more so its k.

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>>51075040

>All women are sluts, and I also own a fedora: The Post

>>51073348
The campaign I'm playing in takes place in a post-2010 GW compliant 40k, so pretty gay.

>>51074960
Kek'd

>>51075040
>women, upon being given a measure of power, began to push and pull society in order to help make their yaoi fantasies into realities.
Okay now I'm going to need some sources because that sounds like a complete asspull.

>>51075040
How does this explain lesbians?

>>51074830
please stop feeding (you)s to an obvious troll

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>>51075098
Better then an ass poke, if you know what im say, you know what im saying? Am I right? Am i right?

No but really thats stupid. I'm pretty sure its more complicated then women wanting people to be gay.

But my setting is so straight basically its trans.

>>51075129


>>51074926
>>51075006

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>>51075040
>women, upon being given a measure of power, began to push and pull society in order to help make their yaoi fantasies into realities.

>>51074830
>Except that homosexuality is not a fetish.

But that's exactly what it is:
a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc.

>That's like saying heterosexuality is a fetish.

No, that's the fallacy of false equivalence.

>And it's in fact scientifically proven that homosexuals are innately predisposed towards homosexuality, and that repair therapies do not work.

Not at all. In fact, the majority of the world disagrees with these ideas, and they have been in no way conclusively proven. In fact, there have been many cases of "therapy" actually working, with "reformed homosexuals" actually testifying on the matter.

>Hell, conversion therapies are outright banned and declared as quackery.

The entire world is not California. You might do yourself a favor and realize that you're on the extreme of the political spectrum, and by no means anywhere near the norm.

And as far as you caring what other people think, why should anyone care what you think? No one's stopping you from buying a house with anyone, but if you plan on pretending that buttfucking dudes is normal and wholesome, that's when people are free to call you a disgusting hedonistic, fetishtic degenerate, and all you can do is flail your hands and hope that you're not in a country where they can imprison and kill you.

>>51073348
Gayfag here.
Pretty not-gay. I run dungeon crawls. Unless you're explicitly running a lewd campaign, I see no reason why you'd include it in the first place except for virtue signaling or magical realm purposes.

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>>51075168

>a whole body
>part of

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>>51075168

>the majority of the world disagrees with something
>this means they are right

>>51075168
>In fact, there have been many cases of "therapy" actually working, with "reformed homosexuals" actually testifying on the matter.
When you torture someone enough to break their minds and spirits, they'll say anything you want them to say, anon.

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>>51075168

>attraction to a body with different naughty bits is not a fetish
>attraction to a body with the same naughty bits is a fetish
>the fetish changes based on your naughty bits

>>51075168
I've never really gotten why having sex with other men is called degenerate. What's with that?

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>>51075168

>The entire world is not California.

You live in one of those really small towns dont you? It's ok, you're among friends here. We're not going to hurt you just because you looked at a boy in the change room after gym class.

>>51075098
It's just a bit of a joke, an example of correlation being treated as causation taken a step to far.

The former explanation, of a more relaxed and liberal society simply extending a hand to any (and every) disenfranchised group, is likely what happened. This was also the time of jail, hospital, and asylum reform, changes in welfare, and of course changes in racial relationships in countries like America.

But, it's much more amusing to blame the Fujoshi.

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>>51075168

>but if you plan on pretending that buttfucking dudes is normal and wholesome, that's when people are free to call you a disgusting hedonistic, fetishtic degenerate

You sure would like to be called like that, uh?

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>>51075215
Get into cockfighting and you'll ride the lightning.

>>51075215
Except, the therapies that worked were primarily counseling and didn't involve any torture or coercion.

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>>51074091
Fujos like sissy freaks, not manly, buff men. They might tolerate a few muscles, but their husbandos will almost always look slightly uncanny.

>>51075168
>the majority of the world disagrees with these ideas

The majority of the world has designated shitting streets. Who cares what they believe in backward fucking countries like India or Russia. If you can't integrate into American society then you should leave.

>>51075271
>primarily counseling
It's called brainwashing, and cults have been doing it for millennia without torture or coercion.

That doesn't make it any less brainwashing.

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>>51075271
>the therapies that worked were primarily counseling

>>51075180
>>51075218
You might have missed the "etc." part.

In short, being attracted to the opposite sex is normal. A man and woman having sex in the missionary position after reciting psalms, purely for the purpose of reproduction and establishing close emotional ties, is your standard model.

If enjoying titfucking, blowjobs, or having sex with goats is a fetish, than homosexuality is definitely a fetish.

>>51075223
You should ask that in /pol/. They've got impressive charts with statistics on pedophilia, STD rates, molestation and abuse, domestic violence, and partner turnover that puts homosexuality in such a bad light that it's not even worth arguing about whether they're degenerate, but why they're so degenerate.

Sci-fi setting where humanity is a third world planet fighting alien proxy wars in a space operah full of bullshit space cold war politics.

Pretty gay.

>>51075300
>brainwashing
You could call normalfags being indoctrinated since birth with whatever the elite in charge of them wants to tell them that, too.

It's not that many decades ago when the lobotomized herds were under the belief gays and other races need to be lynched, now they're told anyone insulting the gays and other races must be lynched instead.

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>>51075359
>believing anything you see on /pol/

>>51075290
Even in America, where homosexuality is more-or-less tolerated, but the ideas around it are hardly universally accepted or even widely believed, and remains an active, and rather distracting, debate.

And, with recent signs in the political climate, it may be you who needs to learn how to integrate with American society, before the worst happens to you.

>>51075359
>A man and woman having sex in the missionary position after reciting psalms, purely for the purpose of reproduction and establishing close emotional ties, is your standard model.
Except it's not.

This is a Christian designed model of how sex works.

If you go back a few thousand years before Christ, you get a model that concerns itself with male+male, female+male, and female+female sex, with directions, historical observations, and in depth discussion of why these models are both good, bad, and acceptable or unaccptable.

If you go further, you have incest, pederasty, and doggy style as being perfectly acceptable norms.

In other words, your 'standard model' is not really standard at all but literally force fed to masses of brainwashed cultists by their religious leaders.

>>51075402
>being a jojofag

Worse than anything in this thread.

>>51075385
I think the key difference in those two is one of them did substantially more lynching

>>51075440
The fact you know it's jojo doesn't paint you in the bet light either :^)

>>51075436
You're misconstruing "it happened" with "it was perfectly acceptable."

For the most part, homosexual activities were looked down upon, joked about, and treated with derision. Human+animal pairings were like treated with a measure of scorn and ridicule, and occasionally even spectacle.

Other fetishes, while existing, were still not treated as "perfectly acceptable", and there's plenty of philosophers arguing against them that predate Christianity by thousands of years. You're really making yourself look stupid by pretending that Christians had original ideas rather than just taking bits and pieces of what preceded them.

But, even before Christianity, a man and a woman having sex to have children was celebrated and encouraged.

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>>51075271
yeahhhhhhhh no. As both a transfag and christfag whos watched her friends get destroyed by reparative therapy I'm going to have to go with *your wrong* for 500.

Yeah, it worked for some of them, until suicide.


>>51075436
You're half right. This actually comes back to the Jewish understanding of the first commandment given by God as "be fruitful and multiply". So, anyone who isn't down for (or capable of) making babies, however that may be is inherently sinful.

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>>51075359

>christianity
>glorified death cult
>telling others what is normal

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>>51075359

>quoting /pol/

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>>51075402
>CDC and FBI statistics are wrong because someone I don't agree with posted them
I really like this meme, can I save it? I bet you support gun control.

>>51075515
Statistics have it that those who go through therapy, even if unsuccessful, are still less likely to commit suicide than those who don't go through therapy, or go through Leftist therapy instead.

In fact, in cases such as Female-to-Male reassignment, the suicide rate actually increases.

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>>51075549
Because we're sexy.

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>>51075508

>complains about false analogies
>uses false analogies

>>51075515
>trannies
As opposed to being enabled on their insanity and committing suicide anyway?

>>51075562
/pol/ is just the politics board. If you want to discuss politics, that's the place for it.

And, if you want to ask a question like "Why is X degenerate?", /pol/ is only too happy to provide long lists of arguments.

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>>51075571

>does not specifies which therapy
>"leftist" therapy as a moniker for "therapy i do not agree ideologically with"
>does not provide sources
>thinks someone still takes the bait after he quoted /pol/

Anon, you're putting severe strain on my reaction image folder

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>>51075571
This is the moment where we need your sources, because at worst thats a lie and at best that meaningless. Because your right, going through therapy reduces chances of suicide, but, how can we compare them with the people who never declare themselves?

Ya'll need to read more. S'all im saying.

>>51075579
It's called false equivalence.

But, homosexuality is more like bestiality than it is like heterosexuality.

In fact, the only argument that homosexuals seem to be able to provide why their fetish is somehow not a fetish, in comparison, is that the animal cannot consent (even though we do not require consent from animals for everything else we do to them).

Of course, humorously, this has lead things to places like Canada decriminalizing some forms of bestiality.

>>51075625
>thinks someone still takes the bait after he quoted /pol/

Yet you're all still taking the bait.

>>51075588
Hey, at least they're happy for a while? I mean it's not like you're in the gutters with us, getting those pretty little hands dirty. Or do you have a secret you'd like to share with the class?

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>>51075589

>not being able to distinguish between politics and ethics

I sure love winter break

>>51075625
"Leftist" is just a polite way of saying "rather than fixing a problem, they celebrate it."

>>51075657
All weirdness aside, this is better then spring break.

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>>51075640

>posting smug reaction images is taking the bait

>>51075657
>pretending your politics are somehow not politics because you don't want to use the boards meant for you

>>51075359
>You should ask that in /pol/. They've got impressive charts with statistics

Impressive to someone who dropped out of high school, maybe. I've seen more than enough of their infographics to know that it's bullshit compiled by NEETs who learned everything they know about evidence from shitposting about whether Playstations are better than xBoxes.

>>51075679

Politic : ethic = feces : food

>>51075657

This is exactly what you get when you give /pol/ invaders attention instead of sticking to /tg/ topics about your fictional game universe.

>>51075663
Trust me, you aren't very polite, but you're still not giving actual examples of what the fuck you're even talking about

>>51075696
>i get upset about people citing sources that my liberal media never wants me to see
>i'm angry that i can't provide any evidence that contradicts them
>i'm buttflustered to the point where i need to pretend that just because it came from a board no one likes it must be wrong

No one likes /pol/, but everyone hates you more.

>>51075696
Good don't question the official statistics from your masters, listen and believe.

>>51075703
>i'll call my politics ethics, that'll fool them

Go back to /pol/. Or /lgbt/. Or tumblr. Wherever is not here.

>>51075748

>lava is not *truly* hot, it's just what they want me to believe

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>people still replying to the /pol/tard

/tg/ can be so fucking naive sometimes I swear to god

>>51075637
>Of course, humorously, this has lead things to places like Canada decriminalizing some forms of bestiality.

Wait, are you referring to that rape case with the dog and the peanut butter and the terrible dude? Because i'm pretty sure he's in prison right now for what he did to his step-daughter not the dog.

>>51075776

Well, nobody is improvising a session of Car Lesbian, so we must shitpost

>>51075727
It's not a particularly hard source to find. Just googling "sucide transgender statistics" pulls up a number of sources, most of them left-leaning, that women who have transitioned to being men have an increased rate of suicide.

Here's one, just because you like being spoonfed.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

>>51075776
>people still bumping a /pol/ thread

The first post spelled it out. Insecure homosexuals need to stop making and bumping these dumb threads.

>>51075774
>group X is noticeably more likely to do bad thing Y by statistics
>b-but this isn't what my handlers told me, this is offensive, it can't be true

>>51075828

>rejected by family 57%
>subject to discrimination: average of 60-50% in each category
>subject to violence: average of 65% in 2 categories
>experienced homelessness 69%

Holy shit. Like, who the fuck cares about whetever they're tranny or not, most people would commit suicide had this happen them.

Hell, most suicides are for far less than these stats

>>51075828
No retard, the point is way back here >>51075571 distinguished between "therapy" and "leftist therapy", but hasn't actually explained what he means. It's no secret that transgender people kill themselves all the time

>>51075893

>my statistic conflicts with yours
>therefore your a sheeple :^)

>>51075828
Did you even read this? dude, it's right there in like the second part

>Third, since the NTDS utilized convenience sampling, it is unclear how representative the respondents are of the overall U.S. transgender/gender non-conforming adult population.

>Finally, it should be emphasized that the NTDS,
like all similar surveys, captured information about
suicide attempts, not completed suicide. Lacking
any information about completed suicide among
transgender people (due primarily to decedents not
being identified by gender identity or transgender
status), it may be tempting to consider suicide attempt data to be the best available proxy measure of suicide death.

This only shows that there's a problem, not that we know what's causing the problem.

>>51075898
Ikr? if he drags out the swedish paper without reading it fully I'm going to sober up, and that's a sad thing for all of us.

>>51075914
>my manipulated, made up or nonexistant statistic conflicts with your accurate statistic straight from a study
>you're /pol/ :^)

>>51075696
You need to take a look at those statistics before you really say anything.

Keep in mind, the ones about STD's are mostly from people who are trying to help the homosexual population by reporting the near-pandemic that is affecting their population. With nearly half the homosexual population infected with a serious STD, it is actually less ethical to maintain this bizarre media silence about just how bad the situation is.

Also, not much is said about how having unprotected anal sex with multiple strangers may not be the healthiest lifestyle. I mean, that should be kind of obvious, but it's not until you look at the statistics that it really drives home that the worst enemy of homosexuals is very likely other homosexuals.

Domestic violence statistics also seem to confirm that. Holy shit do lesbians like to beat the shit out of each other, making even the gay men statistic pale in comparison.

>>51075589
>Being this gullible.

Look, you're obviously quite new so I'll help you out. It's frowned on, but whatever. Do a good deed and shit.

/pol/ is a containment board. We have a few of them. They are for undesirables that, for various reasons, we just can't get rid of. /mlp/ is another example of this.

/pol/ exists to keep most of the assblasted "muh special politics" faggots in one place. This is so the other boards can, for most of the time anyway, have threads about card games and shit without /pol/fags taking every opportunity to derail things into the special topic they can't help bringing up.

Arguably the existence of The_Donald means the mods can shut /pol/ down and send them there, but /pol/fags would chimp out for months over it.

>>51076015
ok, just for an alternative reading, I wonder if the lesibans are just more likely to report it?

>>51074346
>>51074327
>>51074317
>>51074204
So if you weebs know so much, then what is the proper term for "giant guy&tiny woman"?
Because that shit's my jam and I'd be very grateful if you taught me.

>>51076015
>Holy shit do lesbians like to beat the shit out of each other
They also like to groom adopted male children into trannies, and the doctors and authorities involved in uncovering the cases like doing everything they can to prevent it from getting big publicity.

>>51075929
That paper has a lot of information and attempts to address a lot of different points, but what we're talking about how is how things like female-to-male gender reassignment therapies actually increasing the likelihood of attempted suicide. That's like the exact opposite of what it is trying to do.

Likely, it's because things like gender-reassignment surgery is expensive and the people who go through it end up not only in crippling debt, but with the crushing realization that even surgery is unable to make their reality match up to their fantasies.

There's certainly a problem, and it seems like many of these "solutions" are only making the problem worse.

>>51076015

Well, but that changes radically in various parts of the world.

Here in italy we have a growing epidemy of HPV in females in the north of the country, which of course is hitting solely the heterosexuals.

>>51076062

Try a research with your usual jam + size difference added to it

>>51075903
A right-leaning approach to someone who thinks they're the wrong gender is "Convince them that gender really isn't that important, that they should be happy with who they really are and not what they wish they were, and to stop making a spectacle out of themselves like they're some sort of furrykin."

The left leaning approach to someone who thinks they're the wrong gender is "Invent a condition without any scientific proof, encourage them to think that being 'the wrong gender' is the source of all their unhappiness, mutilate their genitals, and then tell them everything is going to be great from now on."

>>51076174
So you're basically just full of shit

>>51076110
That's the issue though, this paper can only moddel people who have actually come out. It doesn't talk about people who are transgender and dont make moves towards transition. It fundamentally can't give us the information you want it to. i wish it could, with all my heart I wish it could but it can't.

I went through this paper with a fine tooth comb before I came out to my parents. If you look at the stats on suicide attempts they increase due to social pressures not debt. Its the dissolution of the community that destroyed these people, not debt.

Why does this matter to you? I know why it matters to me, I've had to hold kids as they've cired about this, but what matters to you about this?

>>51076174
This is a bit more accurate then I'd like it to be. maybe a bit to negative on the liberal side, but yeah, both extremes have issues with their approaches.

>>51076111
No, it doesn't change radically. It's consistent all around the world, with homosexual males being at an incredibly disproportionate rate of STDS than the rest of the population.

Unprotected oral and anal sex with a high turnover of partners with the majority being strangers (and a fair percentage also being intravenous drug users) is basically like the exact recipe you'd get if you asked a doctor "What's the absolute worst kind of lifestyle you can lead if you want to avoid collecting and spreading diseases?"

It's basically a toss up between that and going around licking toilet seats at public restrooms and hospitals.

>>51074501
Vikings were also a bunch of feminist beta numales that let their women cut off their dicks and divorce them if they were deemed "bad husbands".

Should we really trust them?

>>51076352
No. Never trust vikings for any reason.

>>51076352
Considering they evolved into modern swedes and were drunken pillaging barbarians, probably not.

An artist friend of one of the players drew up the characters doing a JoJo pose.

roughly that gay.

>>51076247
You're kind of begging us to ignore the facts that we have in hopes that the information that we can't get would contradict it.

>Why does this matter to you? I know why it matters to me, I've had to hold kids as they've cired about this, but what matters to you about this?

Why do it matter to you? People cry about a lot of things, and there's a certain point where you need to tell them that they're obsessed or they're taking things too far. There's an important distinction between being compassionate and too compassionate, and it's probably that weird place where you've got people telling each other that gender is a societal construct of no importance while simultaneously trying to convince people to make drastic life choices in order to alter what gender they're perceived as that makes it clear that you can't really try to help everyone just by listening to what upsets them and hoping to alleviate that.

Sometimes, unfortunate truths need to dismantle illusions, because trying to hold up illusions only leads to short-term happiness that becomes more disastrous the longer you try to keep them together.

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>>51074447
Well we could

>>51076045
>/pol/ is a containment board. We have a few of them. They are for undesirables that, for various reasons, we just can't get rid of. /mlp/ is another example of this.

And so is /lgbt/.

>>51076649

Don't forget /news/ and /trash/

>>51074597
>Japan actually has extremely low rates of child abuse and convicted pedophiles
It has a low rate of reported cases of any type of sexual abuse, people often mistake this as japan being not rape-prone but what it actually means is that it's a society where people don't speak up.

>>51076502
No, i'm asking you not to misrepresent the facts that you have. Im asking you not to sweep people under the rug because they inconvenience you. The bottom line is we dont know how many people are trans, because people like you are going to attack them when they come out. I really want everyone to read that paper, so they can get a better picture of what happens when someone is cut off from their support network.

It matters to me because I am trans, and because I love the people in the community. What hurts them hurts me. People cry about alot of things, yeah, like loosing their families, like being homeless, like feeling alone. if this is what they're dealing with I'd rather be more compassionate then not.

Have you ever experienced body dysmorphia? It's like dirt that you cant wash away. Transition can help treat the symptoms, and its a far sight better then simply letting them suffer in silence.


Sometimes, unfortunate truths need to dismantle illusions, because trying to hold up illusions only leads to short-term peace that become more disastrous the longer you try to keep them together.

Now, why is this so important to you?

>thread on autosage
Mods confirmed for intolerant homophobes

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>>51076736
>It's like dirt that you cant wash away.

Like a spot of blood? One of the most famous symbols of someone losing their sanity?

It's one thing to say "There's no blood there. You can stop washing now," and another to say "Oy, I don't see no blood, but we best get you all one color now. Best jump into this bathtub of red paint."

I've never attacked a trans, nor have any plans to. I work with several, and just treat them like it's a religion they subscribe to, which isn't really that far from the truth.

The real bottom line is that the people you would say are "secret trans" are just the people who are only a little crazy. If them being one gender instead of another makes them unhappy and "suffer in silence", that's sad, but I'm the guy who would have been one hell of an awesome attack helicopter were I not cursed with flesh and blood.

How am I supposed to be able to sympathize with someone upset that people don't like them wearing dresses, when I'm always being discouraged from attaching AAMs to myself. The scale is just nowhere near the same.

>>51075696
Playstations ARE better than Xboxes tho

>>51076733
It's got low crime rates across the board. It's hardly a matter of just keeping quiet, because they have low crime rates for even the stuff people wouldn't be quiet about.

You can call them either peaceful or spineless, depending on how you want to spin it.

>>51076995
OK, I think we've come to the point where we fundamentally disagree. I'm glad you dont go out of your way to hurt the people you work with, you could do alot worse. I hope your content with your hard heartedness.

I refuse to be like you. These people matter, even if you dont care about them.

>>51077051
>spineless betas that would rather commit sudoku than dishonourably rocking the boat
Don't get me wrong, japan has a lot of pros but it's FAR from the utopia weebs make it out to be. Just like how sweden and the rest of scandinavia would be paradise if it were not for the 70% taxes, the whiteguilt cuck zeitgeist and the cold.

>>51073933
Doing the Lord's work, anon.

>>51073348
It isn't even sexual at all but my players just make it sexual anyway - and thus gay because they are (even the gay girls who play as men still make their characters gay) - and I don't think I could bring myself to turn down the comedic value of them seducing my NPCs practically at random. So, the setting gets gayer every day. Soon there will be no breeding.

>>51077247
They matter, but their gender hangups don't. At least not to the point where I need to believe they are what they're not.

They're in costume. I'm willing to pretend they're what they pretend they are, but that's only out of professional courtesy. Asking more than that of me is like asking the Detroit Tigers to cage their mascot as soon as the game ends.

Everyone has hangups. Just don't try to get other people caught up in making your delusions real. It's never not going to be weird.

>>51076778
You mean confirmed for doing their job and keeping offtopic threads off this board.

>>51077492
It's literally a thread about games

>>51073619
>And then there is my Cyberpunk Setting. . . It has Futanari bars and 40 year old business men becoming full borgs so they can be little girls

How do you have players willing to play this?

It's okay to be gay. One of the major religions isn't terribly thrilled about people not making more of the faithful, but gays can still raise orphans so they're like "whatever."

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Gays are disgusting fetishists that have been despised by even the societies that tolerated them, who spread disease, molest children, and attempt to reconstruct society to better allow them to indulge in hedonism and depravity.

Every major religion has a plethora of arguments against homosexuals, and the majority of secular philosophers, economists, sociologists, and psychologists also condemn homosexuality. The majority of the world in fact currently condemns sodomites to death, and while this may be seen as extreme, the majority of the violence against homosexuals is still conducted by other homosexuals.

They are plague given human form.

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