/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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IXth thread for the IXth Legion.
Blood Angels 2fast4u.

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Lorgar Veritas, Lorgar Vult

https://youtu.be/Czpve_uNiLM

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Reposting.
3001 points of Sons of Horus 1st company.
Rite of War: Drop Assault Vanguard

LoW
Horus (500 points)

HQ
Abaddon with sword (215 points)

Kalus Ekaddon, Captain of the Catalan Reavers (145 points)
Praetor with Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Paragon Blade

Falkus Kibre, Captain of the Justaerin (162 points)
Praetor with Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-Weapon, Paragon Blade

Troops.
12 Justaerin Terminators with 2 Chainfists, 12 Combi-Plasma and 10 Power Fists (Horus + Falkus go here) (689 points)
12 Justaerin Terminators with 2 Chainfists, 10 Combi-Meltas, 2 Multi-meltas and 10 Power Fists (Abaddon goes here) (725 points)

"Catalan Reavers"
15 Assault Space Marines 1 power sword, Sergeant with AA, Lightning Claws (Kalus goes here) (280 points)

15 Assault Space Marines 2 swords, Sergeant with AA, Power Fist (285 points)

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(Dammit post-cap)

Hey guys, can you give me some lore clafification?

I play Iron Warriors and would like to sprinkle a few mk6 armors in between all those 3s and some 4s.

Does that make sense? I remember that a bunch of mk6 suits had been taken by the traitors when they overtook mars, but was that retconned at some point?

Also, did the Raven Guard have them in use during Istvaan III? If so, would it make sense to say that they were simply plundered then, since the IW were on Istvaan III as well?


Also, do we have a non-Forge World source for mk5 armor yet or do we need to wait?

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>tfw not many heresy era mks in WH40KSM
>tfw there will never be a sequel

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>>51072068
Best Primarch
Best Legion
Best wife

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>>51072124
Aaaaah, I can't connect my laptop to the net, so fuck you.
Read HH3: the Iron Warriors and Salamanders were the original beta testers of the MkVI.
So no biggie.
Also, beakie Malbon

>>51072113
There's a good chance of those 4 units not actually being on the table if you mishap with the assault squads turn one. It'd be interesting to at least see how it does, but there's still only 4 units and child get steam rolled to blasts and dreads.

Shitty Army List sharing edition anyone?

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>>51072255
Haha, the Iron Warriors not liking this armor very much makes a lot of sense, actually. Hit&Run and stealth aren't really what a Legion specialized in siege combat would be interested in.

Thank you very much.

>>51072157
What is your favorite mark? I personally have to go with 2 or 3 for best and 8 for worst.

>>51072287
How many do you want to see ? I have a dead tree format notebook for each of my armies with which unit are in it, their most common loadout and all the armylists I've written for it. Got 13 armylists for my Alpha Legion so far of varying point amounts

>>51072376
MKV > MKIII > MKIV > MKII > MKVI > MKVIII > MKVII

>>51072287
Well, if you want,here's a semi-joke list I threw together once. I'll almost certainly never do this, but it's what I might do if I ever started IF, and the idea of it amuses me.

>Imperial Fists, Stone Gauntlet, 3000 points

Praetor (paragon blade & iron halo) - 150
(joins templar brethren)

10 Breachers (2 grav guns, AA & solarite gauntlet) - 260
LR Proteus - 180

10 Breachers (2 grav guns, AA & solarite gauntlet) - 260
LR Proteus - 180

10 Phalanx warders (2 plasma guns, 1 power axe, AA & power fist) - 260
LR Proteus - 180

10 Phalanx warders (2 plasma guns, 1 power axe, AA & power fist) - 260
LR Proteus - 180

9 Templar brethren (9 combat shields, solarite gauntlet) - 330
LR Phobos - 225

2 rapier (quad heavy bolter) - 80
(points filler, if you're wondering)

10 heavy supports (missile launchers, flakk missiles) - 335

>>51072479
Whoops, copy/pasted the points wrong on the phalanx warders, they should be 320. Not that it really matters for a shitty list I'll never make, of course.

>>51072456
>MKV
>Best

Any good HH books?

>>51072554
no

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Are Berzerker backpacks acceptable in 30k?
It just so happens that I have a dozen.

>>51072554
It's kinda like Dune where the first four books are the best and everything goes downhill from there. (And if you don't think God-Emperor of Dune is the sickest shit then get out of my face.)

The rest of the series is pretty hit and miss but here's my quick and dirty three tier list

I read it and enjoyed it Tier:
Dan Abnett, Graham McNeill, ADB (MoM excluded), Chris Wraight

I read it eventually and it was alright to meh Tier:
Gav Thorpe, James Swallow, Guy Haley, John French

I will never get my time back Tier:
Mike Lee, Nick Kyme. David Annandale

>>51072959
Ok outside of the Super Sayin Parts I liked the Salamander Trilogy by Nick Kyme.

>>51072959
>John French
Fuck John French

>>51073181
>>51073276
Hahaha, nice one guys, posting literally terrible opinions one after the other, you fellows sure are top cards.

>>51073431
That's your opinion about my opinion about a subjective point of view about stories about a made up universe.

>>51072928
Where the fuck did CSM backpacks come from anyway?

>>51073477
Prototype gear for void operations.

>>51073464
Damn son you burned the Life-eater out of him.

>>51073556
Oooooh... Does the warp work like space too? Because that would suddenly make so much sense.

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>>51073609
The void is space, which is why eldar are called MASTERS OF VOID STRATEGY!

>>51073477
So that GW could have them visually distinct from SM. Over the years I've seen dozens of explanations, but none of them have put those backpacks on loyalists in any official way.

One of the HH books names one of the CSM ones as Anvilus pattern backpack designed for void operations with additional thrusters but lacking in radiation shielding.

>>51073477
Originally was just a way for the models to look different

In-universe it's the warp fucking up their armor

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Was there ever an occasion where all 18-20 Primarchs were in the same room?

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I already do IW and DG, and I had 2 test models lying around, so I have decided to do 1 Tactical for each of the 18 legions.

I decided to do the Traitors first. They are all WIP, and the black one bottom left will be a Son of Horus, Catulan Reaver style.

>>51074047
Sanguinius mentally health XD.
He obsessively wants to sacrifice himself for something

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>>51074118
Here's a better shot that I hope won't go sideways.

>>51074133
The Word Bearer legion marking is on the wrong shoulder.

>>51074118
>>51074133
>traitors first
>dark angels
When is this going to die? I see it everyday in the SW groups, this is so played out.

>>51074118
>>51074133
Duuude those look great
>Traitors first
>Dark Angel
:^)

>>51074467
>Willingly going to SW groups
You're bringing it on yourself

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>>51074467
>When is this going to die?
When the last of the Fallen have repented.

>>51074495
I know, but there aren't a lot of places I can go to get good information on a 30k SW list.
"I gave up on good information from /hhg/ a long time ago

>>51074507
But they have successor chapters, I do not think they will do that any time soon.

>>51074608
>I want advice on an army that has no rules yet
Russ' kindred and their planning.

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>>51074118
>tfw in the HH book series DA are less traitorous than Ultramarines
>Lion just uses Librarians again after heated debate
>Guilliman makes his own empire, uses Librarians again without any debate whatsoever, questions the motives of the Emperor and speculates he knew about the Heresy in advance

feels good man

>>51074121
This. Sanguinius has an obvious martyrs complex.

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>>51072021
@everyone
What pages do people want quick scans of

>>51074121
He feels that the blood sickness is his fault. He isn't suicidal, however.

>>51074961
Inferno

>>51074961
Blanchitsu and Golden Demon.

>>51074961
Start with the cover and end with the back cover.

>>51074801
>after heated debate
Wherein he proved that his debate skills were about on par with Angronius.

>>51075099
Scanners broking so phoneposting only

>>51074961
From 26 would be nice, interested to see what this cadia stuff is all about (again).

>>51074047
Wrestling event at some celebration. Vulkan won, corac and horus tied for second

>>51075328
Huh, I'd have expected Corax to come last in a wrestling competition. Well done him.

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>>51074047
This is out of date, updated for BL.

>>51075328
>Wrestling event
now i'm picturing some wwe action with primarchs

>>51075486
>tfw Alpharius canonically hails from parts unknown

>>51075451
>x primarch is autistic

Literally the cancer ruining /hhg/

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>>51074118
>>51074133

Damn. I pretty much just did the same NL by not as good.

>>51075404
Corax is Big Boss when it comes to hand to hand. Everyone talks about how X primarch was good in fighting pits or with sword in hand. But Corax was no joke when it came to fisticuffs.

>Good! Now we can fight as warriors! Hand to hand! It is the basis of all combat! Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon!
-Attributed to ancient terran assassin.

Then Horus had to always be in the spotlight somehow to make his fall that much more dramatic.

Vulkan is just jacked beyond jacked.

>>51075486
It was closer to greek wrestling. Wink.

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>>51075451
>split personality disorder (both with autism)

Is bit possible to make a decent, smaller Terror Assault lost to play against 40k armies? There's a new kid at my store, and its pretty much just me and him for 40k. He only has 1000pts of KDK at the moment, and I think it would be fun to throw some batmans at them.

Black shield marauders are more cost efficient than tacticals.

Assuming A barebones twenty man squad of marauders with the +1S +1T -1Initiative -1" movement option.

At a unit cost of 305 pts, each marauder is priced at 15.25pp.

Breaking down the cost of the marine is as thus, assuming the price of a barebones Legion spacemarine is 11.25ppm we can deduce in 30k power armor, a bolter, bolt pistol and grenades is worth that amount.

Comparing that to the stat line of a Marauder, each additional stat point is worth about 3ppm with reductions to a stat subtracting 3ppm. Losing movement isn't a linear draw back and doesn't carry the same weight as a stay, the inability to sweeping advance is also situational and will not be calculated into the cost of a marauder. Let's also assume here that a boltgun is worth roughly two points independently.

A marauder has a total of +3 to its stat scores, -1 due to losing initiative.
At a base of 10.25 ppm (-1 because no bolt gun, also assuming a auto gun is worth at least one point)

The base value becomes 16.25ppm, if we compare a chain axe to a heavy chain sword, +2 strength, ap4 and a drawback makes it comparable to a chainaxe. If we take the 2handed weapon trait to be worth an additional point of strength then a chain axe is worth roughly 5ppm.

In conclusion, a barebones black shield marauder with the +1s, +1t -1i and -1" movement trait with a chainaxe is worth approximately 21.25 ppm or 425 points for a 20 man squad. That's a 120 point discount for a squad of twenty, with the chieftain that discount increases to 132 points.

>>51074762
Yeah. I'm a SW, and even I find that stupid

Quick question, just to make sure, would I be right in thinking that mastercrafting a flamer doesn't do anything?

>>51075902
Yep. Doesn't do shit.

Twin-linking would allow a reroll to wound.

>>51075864
... So?

>>51075912
Gotcha, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a nice option for salamanders.

>>51075864
>Give Marauders the benefit of wrought by war
>Doesn't give SM the legion rule
>Marauders are better
No shit.

>>51075919
That's good value.

>>51076006
The legiones astartes rules weren't considered because they legion rules by and large aren't as valuable as stat increases. They also vary in strength a great deal.

>>51076006
Don't forget the neglected benefits of Rites of War

>>51076053
A wrought by war is the legion rules AND RoW equivalent. If Chymerie is considered then a specific legion rule and/or RoW should be too.

Otherwise
>>51076006

>>51075451
Primarch shitposting was a mistake.

>>51076144
HHG was a mistake.

>>51076057
The RoWs are force multipliers that apply to specific aspects of the army. They are also gated behind key entries that have master of the legion. You pay a specific cost for that. At most not having a RoW in exchange for army wide stats can only be worth as much as the cheapest barrier to entry for the rule.

It's worth considering though! I don't aim to say one is better than the other, only to highlight the value of 20 man marauders.

>>51076140

Sure, but it could only be a RoWs cheapest barrier to entry in addition to legion rules that affect tacticals positively.

https://discord.gg/THPStkx
Invite to discord, phonepics posted in #news
I REPEAT ALL SCANS POSTED HERE
backup option still remains
I REPEAT ALL THE pics I TOOK WERE POSTED HERE

>>51076148
Not as big a mistake as GW.

>>51076152
>>51076194
Blackshield in of themselves have barriers too. Its all relative.

Compare

Vanilla Tacs vs Vanilla Marauders. Apples to apples.

Or

Legion Specific Tacs under a RoW vs Wrought by War Marauders. Oranges to to Oranges.

Vanilla Tacs vs WbW Marauders is apples to oranges and moot

>>51074801
>after heated debate

You mean after exiling a bunch of people to Caliban for no reason, sowing the seeds of treachery, and punching a loyal Chaplain's head clean off? The Lion is a prick.

>>51076241
>>51076148

Aspy internet whiners were the real mistakes.

>>51076229
>invalid or expired
I think you fucked up.

>>51076330
https://discord.gg/wYS2J6b
Try that

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tfw reading basic rules to learn warhammer's game hurts my head
i have 10,000+ points of figures ready to built/painted for the heresy

>>51076353
I'm the same, shit with rules but love painting and fluff. The last time I played a game was at the start of 4th ed 40K and I could barely grasp it then.

The problem with this games narrative is that the maximum amount of possible YOUR DUDES must exist. Therefore, for example, there can be loyalists from traitor legions and vice versa. Thus lore must be adapted in reverse to account for it and its not always done well.

Then this game attracts the "must be literal" crowd despite the game having loose rules and geared towards YOUR DUDES STORY

>>51076229
>>51076350
Oh wait, that's right.

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to the anon's who recommended i didn't get a malcador infernus to go along with my solar auxilia because it's to fucking good to base all my lists around
holy fucking shit thank you
i ordered a hellstorm template in advance when i was planning on buying it for my 40k guard and hot fucking damn that template is huge it barely fit in the baneblade box i brought it home in
this thing would have destroyed marines , especially with a solar auxiliary tank commander
it'dd be like my freeguild handgunners in age of sigmar all over again

>>51076353
Having someone teach you wil make it much less complicated, playing games helped me pick up the game faster than reading the whole book back to front

>>51076402
It's a fascinating game system in these kinds of context.
>Entire system, rules and narrative, is based around a certain amount of encouraged interpretation, with the designers and writers going out of their way to avoid being final and factual about many things, and in fact create discord and errors to encourage player reaction, interaction and invention
>Large swathes of players and fluff fans refuse to accept this, treat it all as mistakes and argue incessantly about how their interpretation of [insert anything here] is the One True Way Obviously You Faggot and how there can only be one final version of the Truth and that everyone must adhere to it or be wrong

I fucking love it

>>51076423
You are still won't be allowed to see the echo chamber and an eye will be on all your posts

>>51076611
I'm still banned mate, it's under SWlurker.
If you're notanothernamefag, I would like to talk to you in PM for a short bit.

>>51076677
This post represents everything wrong with the world.

>>51076353
Word on the street is that they are going to streamline the rules in the next edition.

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>>51076716
that's where you're wrong.

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What was your last game played Anons and how did it go?

I lost a cool game of ZM 3-2 against some wolves because rolling 1s consistently was apparently a thing I was doing that day.

>>51076494
>not using something because it's too good
Cuck mentality desu.

>>51078045
t. Taufag

What do you do in ZM if you have large ass squads of Tacticals, Inducted Levies, or Lasrifle Sections?

Would my 50-man cultist horde turn into five 10-man squads?

>>51073477
... or the horns and spikes and bushes ...

>>51078351
>bushes
Maybe the Chaos gods like a natural look.

>>51074118
the DA could use slight silver drybrushing and red eyes. The checkers are nice

>>51078036
from where are these white/green walls?

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>>51078549
https://battlefield-accessories.myshopify.com/collections/scifi-passage-system

Sup, Hhg
Can people post any of the autistic screeching pictures, don't have any of them on my phone

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>>51079558

Anon, whats your preffered method of anti-air?

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Does anyone know if the Formation Networks from the Stronghold Assault can be used with 30k? I've seen miniwargaming using the one with several bastions and landing pad, but this is the same guy who runs his cataphractii often.
Can't find anything that says I can't and I need to know before rule-sticklers from my local meta start their shit with this list I have for tomorrow.

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>>51072124
>>51072255
>>51072376
>>51072456

Can someone please make a chart of the different MKs of power armour each Legions used during the Horus Heresy.

Also what type of jump pack would MK6 power armour use. I was thinking about making a World Eater's Destroyer squads using MK6 power armour.

>>51079706
Playing zone mortalis.

>>51079771
I would assume so. Unlike other units from 40k, walls and bastions have been around since forever.

If anyone gives a shit they're just being assholes for no reason, unless you're grating serious cheddar.

>>51079776
Here you go:
MkII All of them
MkIIIAll of them
MkIVAll of them
MkVAll of them
MkVIAll of them post-Imperium Secundus. All of them but in smaller doses pre-Imperium Secundus.
MkVII: All loyalists legions as of the Siege of Terra Subject to change

>>51079776
Armor autists have gotten to you. Use whatever type you want. Mix and match. There were a different different experimental types and forgeworld-specific types throughout the legions. The only thing currently off limits in MkVII, and even that you can use bits and pieces of with appropriate context.

>>51079706
Admech, so pretty much our only option is Vulturax and Primaris- Lightning fighters, and I lack any cutedrones. Lightnings have never failed to clear an annoying Storm Eagle out with the Kraken barrage, even if that's pretty much all they're good for that game. If there's no flyers, they can still toast a vehicle of my choice or a couple termies if there's none of those. I really need to get another Hellblade, since that's what I use as mine. It's both cheaper and fluffy for DarkMech.

>>51079771
Strictly speaking, the only fortifications you can take are the Castellan and Primus Redoubt.
I've taken a bastion in nearly every game I've played, no one should mind.

Are grenade harnesses generally worthwhile?

I was gonna have a squad of Chogorian Brotherhood Tartaroses do some Outflank shenanigans, like so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fjEViOF4JE

>>51079994
Depends how Terrain happy your meta is, and how many unwieldy weapons you're taking.

>>51080043
>terrain
Enough to worry about.

>unwieldy weapons
Just glaives :^)

I'll probably take them. 10 points for 1 use is just kind a little concerning, but I'll have to be in cover after outflanking anyways.

>>51079776
>>51079915 is right, now if you want to ask what the preferences of each legion were or which legion used other marks more often that is a different question.

>>51080111
Just remember you won't get your GottaGoFast bonus the turn you come in on the board.

>>51080152
I won't be able to charge for a turn anyways.

>>51080139
MkII: Mostly phased out by the heresy, but companies (such as most IWs) and legions (WSs) that weren't in contact with the rest of mankind would have some.
MkIII: Partially phased out, but some legions (IW, IF, IH, WE, DG, S) liked it for the frontal defence boost.
MkIV: Most common early heresy, more common amongst traitors and probably UM.
MkV: Most common late heresy, everyone had this.
MkVI: Uncommon mostly, RG and AL had a lot.
MkVII: Loyalist legions at Terra only, maybe (maybe) very rarely found amongst Traitors at Terra.

>>51080245
Just to be clear, >>51079915 is also true.

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>>51079915

Thanks for the information.

>>51079949

I know. I was probably run them anyway even if they weren't "correct" and just say they stole them from the Raven guard or something. I actually know a guy who runs a bunch of MK7 Salamanders and no one gives a shit about it.

>>51080139

I would like to know that. I'll probably be making chart about it in case anyone else has this question.

>>51080319
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Logistics were so fucked that everyone used every mark in large numbers. Only VI and VII were really limited in distribution and one could still potentially see looted suits. What you should do is just justify why you have weird marks.
>Word Bearers have Mk VII because they raided a manufacturing world and I'm too poor and lazy to buy heresy armour
>Emperor's Children have Mk II because they were part of a distant fleet without access to new gear
>Raven Guard have Mk III because they were an assault formation of Terran veterans before Corax took over and made the legion all about sneakiness

I actually include a few marks in my army. My fluff is actually more like the second point, and my general rules are
>Hardened armour is Mk III
>Mooks get Mk II
>Elites and officers get Mk IV
Also gave the bodyguards of my praetor (champions with phoenix spears, jump packs, boarding shields, and artificer armour) Mk III saying that it was modified armour from when they served in breacher squads.

>>51075524
>not The Outer Reaches of Your Mind

>>51075328
>>51075404
Didn't Corax win against Horus?

>>51080319
Well, I guess an infographic would help new people and autists, plus give some other autists something else shiny for them to argue about, but that info is learned very quickly, usually just by asking other people. It's not some obscure detail, y'know?

>>51080554
Are you saying Alpharius is a social construct?

>>51080551
This guy has it.
I don't care what armour anyone's Your Dudes have, if they've mixed bits on single dudes or mixed dudes in squads, but I probably will ask them about it for the sake of conversation and politeness, and if you don't have at least a token fluff answer then I will be disappoint.

>>51080592
All memes are social constructs.

>>51080319
>>51079776

Great Crusade: Mk II and Mk III. Certain legions like DG, IF, and IW would have a bit more Mk III.

Istvaan: RG use Mk VI. Traitors use Mk IV. Everyone else still Mk II and III, very few IV.

Heresy: Traitors use Mk IV, Loyalists use Mk II, III, and V.

Terra: Traitors use Mk IV and V, Loyalists use Mk II, III, IV, V, and VII.

>>51075328
I've legit never heard of this, where can I read about it?

>>51072255
Neat

>>51080739
Thats a great question. I havent talked about it since around the time HH3 dropped and the RG rules came out. Even then it was old to me iirc.

The details I can remember are that Vulkan won through raw strength and Corax and Horus were equally matched and cunning.

It may have been the time Curze had an 'episode' and attacked Dorn, but I'm not sure.

>>51080592
Umm... heretical and traitorous much?

>>51080901
Cool, thanks for the info. Seems really interesting but it does make me wonder how did Angron manage to fuck up winning a contest like that.

>>51075451
>hurrdurr autism
Sevatar, ready the flaying pits for this motherfucker

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>>51080708
MkVI prototypes were distributed among Iron Warriors, Salamanders and Raven Guard, so they were available during Istvaan III to a lot of traitor legions.

One of the old White Dwarfs also talks about a large supply of MkVI suits on mars when the traitor legions took over, so all Legions participating in the Battle of Terra would've had significant access to mkVI power armor.

>>51081233
Give him axes and an enemy and he'll do well. But one on one, hand to hand, against other primarchs is a different thing altogether.

>>51080901
You would have thought Guilliman would have won, since he's immune to the concussion special rule.

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>>51069283
Volkites are specifically Martian.

Terran technology was generally lesser, but there were a few enclaves like that one in the Urals that had held on to more DaoT stuff. And I was saying that the Custodes got the fanciest Terran stuff while the Astartes got mass-producible Martian equipment and not their best.

>>51081436

This. One of the first allies the Emperor made during the Unification Wars was the Terrawatt Clan, specifically for their tech. A lot of the Martian push back the Emperor was cause they thought he was just another warlord after their technology.

>>51081413
But Girlyman a shit

>>51072113

Someone get this hothead outta here!

>>51081532
No Conrad Kurze is what's shit.

>>51081532
>>51081604
Everyone is shit.

>>51072021
Hey, IWfags, I want to be bitter like you. How is this for a starters list?

Legion Praetor: Paragon Blade, Iron Halo (150)

Apothecaries: 2 Men, Artificer Armor (110)
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Assault Cannons (180)
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Assault Cannons (180)

Tactical Squad: 20 Men, Power Fist, Artificer Armor (250)
Tactical Squad: 20 Men, Power Fist, Artificer Armor (250)

Tyrant Siege Terminators w/ Land Raider: Amored Ceramite (540)
Tyrant Siege Terminators w/ Land Raider: Amored Ceramite (540)
Leviathan Dreadnougnt: Armored Ceramite, Storm Cannon (300)

It hits at 2,500 exactly, but I'm not sure about it. My plan is for the Dreadnoughts and Termies to waddle up the field while the Tac Marines camp objectives and take down other blobs, and the Land Raiders take Potshots while soaking up most of the incoming fire.

Are the LRs and the Leviathan worth it? Rule of Cool would justify all of it, but it also seems like a lot of points to be doing not much. Am I at least balanced against bodies/armor/fliers and the like?

>>51081604
Yeah, people misspelling "Konrad Curze" is pretty shit.
Konrad himself is amazing, though.

>>51081663
I see Pert's shitpost factory has its newest employee.

>>51074118
>>51074133
They look great!

>>51081663
Doesn't seem bad at all! Of course, I'm tired and going to eat dinner in a bit though.

Are you going to run a Rite of War with this list, or no? If not, I suggest swapping out your Praetor for something else and use the extra points elsewhere.

In my opinion, while the Storm Cannon looks cool, it'd be better with a claw+drill so it can benefit from both and kill everything in it's way.

You have good AA from both Contemptors, which is good.

Why Power Fists on the sergeants? Axes would be cheaper, and do the same thing unless you want to punch Rhinos or something?

Just my comments, so far your list seems good!

Were legionaries allowed to tinker with their armor?

I could see an Iron Warrior adding additional layers of armor to his Mark VI, modifying the backpack's power unit and cooling systems for more power, and replacing the Mark VI power cables with more robust power cables, perhaps from an earlier armor mark, for more efficient power transmission and to prevent overheating.

>>51081741

Deal with it Kurzeshit.

>>51081832
ok

>>51081769
I'm not sure about RoW, I'm new to HH so still figuring out which would be best. Any recommendations for what to run?

I see what you mean with the Dreadnought, I want to run the Storm Cannon so he has some usefulness at range, but I've never used him before so if it turns out to be crappy I'll revert to the Claw/Drill Combo.

I like the fist on Sarges so there's a chance of insta-gibs on Characters, or if it comes to it then punching a hole through an annoying vehicle.

>>51081832
IIRC it's clear from several of the books they do, though the level of it being officially frowned upon seems to vary by legion

>>51081944

That anon's up-armored MKVI seems like something IW sappers would wear. So you can sneak while you siege.

>>51081832
Yes.

IH, EC, IW, 1KS, and SM would be doing it constantly, seeking perfection and better gear was just their thing.

You've seen Space Wolves, they have more trinkets and modified (i.e. Wolfy) bits than Lorgar had daddy issues.

RG, WS, WE, and DG all seen pretty ramshackle and inconsistent in their gear, so more than likely the smart ones got to changing things up a bit.

Ultramarines, IF, AL, Blood Angels, and Sons of Horus would discourage or due to martial/regimented training, but it's nonetheless possible.

Dark Angels and Night Lords are weird, so like as not they've done something creepy (or at least different) to their armor.

Worst Bearers probably started to worship it as their new God, and would kill you for trying to change it

>>51072113
>Horus, Abaddon, and 2 praetors
>Only 4 units
>57 heavy/jump infantry models and a primarch
>absolutely no vehicles whatsoever

I doubt that this is either the most points or tactically efficient list, but I respect the hell out of it. Might be slightly more efficient and still in the same theme to drop some of the terminators and HQ choices to take a dreadnought or two, maybe some despoilers in pods or something. I know this was posted many hours ago, but I felt the need to say something. All said I hope you are able to pursue your dream of fielding the entirety of the Sons' First Company

>>51082066

Increased armor plating and sneaking don't seem to go hand in hand.

>>51080901
I went through HH1-3 and couldn't find any mention of this. Was it index astartes-era lore?

>>51082223
No I mean thats when I last talked about it to someone, not that it was in that book.

>>51082217
...RG did have termies, didn't they?

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>>51082271
Oh yes. Deliverers had Cataphracttii and the other vets preferred Tartaros.

RG had everything. Every legion had everything. They just used it differently.

>>51082254
Ah, I gotcha. I'll dig back much further then.

>>51082297
>Every legion had everything. They just used it differently.
Thought so.

My point being, heavy armor need not get in the way of being sneaky beakie and/or cheeki breeki.

>>51082271

They sure didn't use them for sneaking. Especially Cataphractii.

>>51082342
Good fucking luck with that btw

>>51082400

Well your point was shit because having Terminators doesn't mean shit especially since they aren't sneaking units. Even that linked image says they died in a last stand in open combat.

>>51082297
>Every legion had everything. They just used it differently.
This so much. I don't know if it's the stereotypes from when they're chapters in 40k, or from people only playing armies in the most optimal way, but it seems a common issue across the 30k community.

Not every Raven Guard is sneaky, not every White Scar was on a bike, not every Iron Warrior is obsessed with big heavy sieges, not every Ultramarine is a boy scout and not every Alpha Legionnaire is named Alpharius. There's way more diversity in each legion than people give credit for.

>>51082415
It's not that difficult. I have 95% of 40k lore in searchable pdfs.

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>>51082100
>Worst Bearers
That's not nice anon.

Besides
>Not perfecting your armor in the images of the gods, and dedicating holy scripts upon it
Do you even Lorgar?

>>51082443
>not every Alpha Legionnaire is named Alpharius
But anon, everyone is Alpharius

>>51082465
Then I shall look forward to when you turn up with the info on this thing that one guy remembers from that one time some years ago.

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what are you guys working on this week? this is my 2500 points of World Eaters (minus tanks) in various stages of tabletop standard.

>>51082503
>not every Alpha Legionnaire is named Alpharius
Not unless/until they want to be.

>>51081832
IH tinker with their own bodies. When half your limbs are cybernetic modifying the armour is required and seems like a pretty small deal in comparison. If anyone was gonna tinker around with their gear the most it was them.

>>51079771
>>51079850
>>51079983
Pretty sure that the books say anything from stronghold assault is valid, even though it has been superseded by Planetary onslaught. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to use it

>>51082764

I guess I'm an Xth Legion legionary on permanent assignment with the IVth.

So, I've discovered that I can make an appropriate Lightning Primaris stand in using a Stormtalon/Hawk box, and a Storm Eagle with the Storm Raven and (in lieu of some plasticard) the underside of a Rhino, some plastic crates, and repurposed armor bits from its own kit.

What've you guys converted recently?

>>51082614
I've just finished assembling a force of 2500 points of Death Guard. Now to work my way painting through the Tactical and Assault blobs.

>>51083110
>Lightning Primaris stand in using a Stormtalon/Hawk box

What? They don't look anything alike? What would you use for the broad Lightning wings?

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>>51082614
More Death Guard in the process of base coating and shading. Fuck airbrushing white it is the devil.

Would it be unfluffy to make my Salamanders into proto-Black Dragons?

I'm thinking:

>gene seed used was somewhat mutated, but not unfixable
>some marines still had bone growths that wouldn't go away, chapter apothecaries instead made these guys sharpen their arm bones into claws like current Black Dragons
>chapter wiped out during Heresy, gene seed stockpiled and reused in the Cursed Founding, but this time the mutation was less controllable and we got current Black Dragons

>>51083225
This, wouldn't one of the Dark Angel fighters be better?

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>>51083231

Why is everything related to the Salamanders that ISN'T about them being bro-marines so fucking shit

>>51083231
I would make them Blackshields instead of actually part of the Salamanders. Having them openly serving in the Salamanders would be pretty weird. However there is a way to make it work, and the Chymerae fits them perfectly. A bad batch of geneseed leading to the mutation. The majority were put down and the geneseed sample isolated and forgotten about, but the few escapees disappearing into the void.

>>51083231
Yes, since Black Dragons are a 13th founding chapter.

>>51083225
It's not spectacular, but by using the wings off the Stormhawk pods to extend the wings and one engine pod to extend the tail, it looks more like an actual fighter craft and less like a flying egg. I'd personally prefer the real deal, but I don't exactly have the funds to go buying actual Lightnings right now.

>>51083339
Like what?

Also, you're forgetting about their awesome battle against ancient AI deep in the mantle of the earth for days one end during the War of Unification.

>>51083351
21st founding, but I don't think he's trying to make them into 2nd founding. Just have the originals wiped out at some point and for the makers of the 21st founding to go, "Hey! I found this weird ancient geneseed sample! Wanna make some marines with it?" Which I feel fits the 21st founding quite well.

>>51083398
This is what I was going for.

Will probably go with the black shield suggestion.

>>51083251
I was considering it, but frankly I think the Nephilim looks like ass. On top of that, it costs even more while netting me fewer spare bits. I might give it a try as the next one.

>>51083231

You should make them Blackshields using the monster option if you want Black Dragons.

So, bought BoP because my local shop overstocked and needed to get ride of it. I knew I wanted to play 30k, but I couldn't settle on a legion. My rules were that I wanted to play a legion that could A. ally with Imperial Army (I play IG in 40k, and I have been using them as a milita force as a place holder) B. not be a melee legion and C. be able to easily double as a 40k army (and not have a drastic change in play style).

Well, it turns out that Word Bearers fulfill all these requirements, are fully fleshed out and are baller as fuck. Looks like I follow Lorgar now.

>>51084073
>Word Bearers
>40K Imperial Army

>>51084073
Do an army of Dark Compliance and you wont have to buy that many marines.

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>>51084073
Patrician choice. Welcome, brother.

>>51082905

Bitter brothas.

>>51083251
Definitely, the shape is far closer and the kit can be assembled with missiles and lascannons.

Source: First player assembling his Nephilim/Dark Talon into a Primaris Lightning tomorrow.

>>51084073
They won't really ally well with IG, though.
Imperial Fists are shooty in both 30k and 40k.

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>>51072068
Well done , brother. For Sanguinius!

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>>51079915
>>51079949
>>51080139
>>51080245
>>51080274
>>51080319
>>51079776
>>51080586
>>51080708
>>51081288

I got the chart done.

Tell me if there's any I got wrong and I'll edit it.

>>51084610
Oh, they don't have to ally well in 40k. I just wanted something that could run alongside the 30k Imperial Army.

>>51084645

MK. V should be WAY more common even if we're just taking about the production variant. If that list includes non-production Mk. V, then it should be "mid-to-late Heresy" for every Legion besides maybe the Alpha Legion.

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>>51084645
>>51084748

Anything else I need to edit.

>>51082905
I mean, IW do a fair bit of cybernetics as well, but it's not their main, central thing like it is for the IH. The compulsion to mutilate their bodies with technology is the primary defect of IH geneseed. It stands to reason that the rest of their gear would be similarly modified, if only to interface with their bodies correctly.

IW are also a legion known for raw manpower, so while officers and sergeants may have custom work the common grunt is going to look and be pretty interchangeable. They're all nameless, bitter brothers in the trenches.

>>51084928
>>51082905
The IW do it only for medical purposes and to remove random tentacles. IH do it for the lolz.

>>51084925
Seems fine. You can obviously always argue "well, we plundered them after a battle", but this helps to keep a fluffy balance more easily.

For example, I play Iron Warriors with a 3 to 1 mk3 to mk4 ratio and every tenth guy wears mk6. When/if they release mk2 suits, I will split it 60/40 for mk3 and mk2.

>>51084925
>MkIV SW
>Uncommon
>MkVI SW
>Very Rare

wut?

Visions has plenty of art depicting SW in MkIV and VI suits, Index Astartes depicts pre-Heresy SW in MkVI, and even in the cover art for Prospero Burns you got at least two MkVI suits on both sides of Russ, one with a helmet and the other bareheaded (no kneepad and studded shoulder pad with no trim).

Fuck, 90% of my units are in either MkIV or VI. Only exceptions are Breachers with their MkIII and tank crews in MkV.

>>51072959
My nigga

>>51076976
I don't get the shirt folding bit

>>51081264
Sadly, your one good post does not make amends for a lifetime of shitposting.
Get the fuck out

>>51082297
>pic shows tartaros
> paragraph says cataphractii
FW what the fuck

Does anyone have Knights-Errant models they'd like to share?
I'd love to see some knights-errant.

>>51085442
They've always been terrible about proofreading. You should see the original Vraks books.
It's enough to make an English Major squirm.

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so my friend bought me 8 invictarus suzerain bodies with no arms or heads

what should I do with them

>>51085498
decapitated foes

>>51085491

>They've always been terrible about proofreading.

I never ever understood this. Isn't Cambridge like a town over? Hire some fucking interns!

>>51084073
I love the Word Bearers.

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>>51085159

Calm down.

Probably should of clarify this before but "very rare" and "uncommon" are in terms of a Legion Force.

For example average Legion size is about 100,000 to 150,000. Let's say the Space Wolfs only have 30% the legion with MkIV and 5% with MkVI. That's 30,000-45,000 for MkIV and 7,500-5,000 for MkVI.

That's way more Infantry 99.9% of Horus Heresy players will ever get.

>>51085527
nah id rather see them put to good use

>>51081663
Too little power armour and artillery, start over. Siege Terminators don't need transports, Leviathans do better in pods with shorter-ranged weapons. Don't bother pimping your sergeants - power fists in particular are a waste of time, keep your bolters so you can put out more shots. Praetors are worthless if you're not running a ROW/Deathstar, either pimp that fucker out with a command squad or use a plain Centurion to save points. AssCan dreads are shit due to their low speed and short range, waste of time for a shooting unit IMO.

IW play best as Imperial Army with better saves and more accurate shooting. Our main strengths are our ability to ignore casualties from shooting and fuckawesome Iron Havocs. Your current setup is leaning towards Hammer of Olympia in some ways, minus the painful lack of Havocs. Free extra armour and charging after rapid-firing? Yes please. Tyrants may or may not be elites instead of heavy support - they're STATED to be the former, but FW gives conflicting answers in e-mails.

Havocs do anti-air, anti-infantry and anti-tank better than your Contemptors could ever hope to. If you're fluffy and run a Warsmith, they even synergize with his shitty, forced, non-negotiable warlord trait, and face it: you will only ever use a Warsmith so you can run Hammer of Olympia for the purpose of having more Havocs on the field. Ironfire is better if you have a shitload of artillery and quad mortars, but you currently don't, though that is fine.

>>51085648
>it's ok, all those examples of MkIV and VI you can find all over the place are just the small minority and the vast majority of SW are wearing other suits, even if you can't see them anywhere
>trust me, it's based on reliable sources
>like CIA levels of reliable
>we can't show you any real evidence, because of reasons, but it's there
>honest
>why would I, a person on the internet, lie to you?

>>51081663
>>51085663

Looks like an army you would only put together if you limited yourself to the box sets and plastic bits. Comes across as an average looking "fluffy" army, which is fine. Tac squads should lose the fancy shit and get rhinos instead, force the enemy to pick his poison as IWfag rapidly moves across the board to seize objectives.

Emperor forbid he come up against a Death Star or a melee focused army, though, or if the enemy fields Spartans and special characters.

Which legions do shooty best?
Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors are pretty obvious since that's always been a big part of their schtick, and any legion -can- be shooty. I'm looking mostly for the surprising ones. Legions you might not expect to be able to pull off a shooting-focused army list.

Failing that, what armies can pull off surprisingly effective tactics?

>>51085822
Blood Angels for most surprising. Having 8 assault cannon shots from a double fist contemptor is hilarious.

>>51085822

Ultramarines do crazy hacks with rhino bolters followed by tac FOTL bolter spam. Blood Angels get to arm everything with assault cannons.

Hi guys, LVO Fist List fag from like 4 threads ago.

Went to a tournament today with that list.
Fought Full mechanized Solar Aux, Scoria Mech, and Reductor Mech.

Ended up getting second place unlike what you guys said.

My list.

Chaplain w/ artificer, Boarding shield, and solerite.

10 Tacs with Pfist on Sarge.

7 Hammernators in a Spartan with ceremite, flare shield, dozer, and aux drive

3 Laser Vindicator Squadron w/ two machine spirits

Dorito with Missiles

Levi in a Pod w/ Ceremite, Phosphex, Volkite, drill and claw

Dorn

>>51085866

Your enemies didn't know what the fuck to do, you blew out their armor with lasers, your leviathan fucked people in the face, and you went yolo with fistings. Also why did you take a chaplain with artificer over terminator?

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>>51085735

The main reason why MkIV have lower percentage with loyalists across the board is because they were still in the process of replacing the older MkII and MkIII and Horus made sure Legions that would go Trader had the best stuff just before Isstvan III. This was including but not limited to MkIV power armor.

As for MkIV it was still in testing phases during the Drop Site Massacre. Only 3 Legion had access to MkIV and they were the Salamanders, Iron Warriors and Raven Guard.

>>51085903
Not enough scoring they said, that don't matter with enough FISTING.

Just points saving and power armor and artificer can take the boarding shield for defensive grenades.

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>>51085926
And during the Schism of Mars they evacuated completed MkVI suits, as well as plans and machinery, which would have allowed the production of more suits. And it's hard to justify it with "well, they didn't have them early in the Heresy" when the list brings up Battle of Terra. Unless you're going to do complete listing of armour distribution across the Heresy, all you can do is "Iconic", "did not have (which is just basically MkVI on all but BA, WS and IF)" and possible "had in high/low numbers".

Also, iconic DG suits were the MkIII and IV, as evident by all the art and fluff. And MkIV is also iconic for the TS.

>>51085840
>>51085848
Interesting. Thanks for the input.

>>51085772
I would simply argue that the box sets lean themselves well to certain styles of armies, and the Iron Warriors just so happen to benefit from a lot of bodies due to the nature of their rules. It's not like Iron Circle are actually good, after all.

>>51085822
Salamanders, Death Guard and Sons of Horus are pretty good at close range.

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>>51082066
>So you can sneak while you siege.
FUND IT

>>51072124

Iron warriors were one of the beta testers for MkVI, so they must have had enough experience with them to declare they're for faggots.

>>51086051
>>51086122
Oh and Iron Hands, they don't bring much for the offense, but they get a bonus against shooting.

>>51086264
>>51086122
Makes sense. I'd forgotten about the Sons getting that BS bonus when shooting at close range.

>>51085926
>to seriously
Not a big deal but it's triggering me a little bit.

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>>51082905
>I guess I'm an Xth Legion legionary on permanent assignment with the IVth.
Eh, we have our share of metal bitz too, just less so. And many use the IH-exclusive tacticals to make IW conversions, because siege survivors are prosthetic men.

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>>51084179
M o s t u r i z e
M e

>>51086213
Same poster.
I don't believe in requesting memes, but does anybody think the beakie Malbon pic can be giphied to look like vid related?
It'd be hillarious.
I could pay with (You)'s and low-skill memes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEqtl6XtOc

>>51078661
looks nice, but... seems like you could knock the whole thing down easily

>>51074961
The digital version has been in the MEGA for a few days now. You don't need to scan anything.

>>51078036
Did a 1k point game of Blood in the Void ZM today. Death Guard doing a Hit & Run against an Iron Warriors Frigate. I was running IWs. Currently 3-1 VPs since my opponent couldn't get any of his troops in my deployment zone and I ended up getting my tacticals in his DZ. Next mission his goal is to kill the Ship Commander.

I did offer him the chance to do the Killing Blow mission instead, so waiting to see what he chooses.

Looking to start playing Word Bearers, and my store's average size game is 1850, what do you think of my list?
>HQ
High Chaplain Erebus (195)
Legion Centurion, Medicae Consul, artificer, refractor field, Power Weapon (125)
>Troops
20 Legion Tactical Marines, additional CCW (265)
20 Legion Tactical Marines, additional CCW (265)
>Elites
2 Apothecaries with artificer [each attached to a tactical blob] (110)
Mortis Dreadnought, 2x MM (125)
10x Gal Vorbak, 2x PW, Martyr with PW and artificer [Erebus and Medicae Consul go here] (390)
>Heavy Support
Legion Spartan, Flare Shield, AC and Dozer Blade [Erebus and Gal Vorbak ride here] (375)

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>>51086539
Blood in the void is a ton of fun, I love it when you have a regular opponent where you can run a thematic ZM mini campaign

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>>51086020

The chart is more of a General overview then a detailed analysis of all armor variance.

Also it is true that MkIV did get made during the Heresy and it did get to all legions it wasn't as prevalent in most legions except for the Raven guard and maybe Alpha Legion. At least until the battle of Terra.

The main reason is that it cost more and was less durable than MkV armor. True it was less advice. But loyalist Legions needing to replace Mark II Power Armour they're being a Civil War they took what they could make the fastest and cheapest.

Also if you're still awake can you post some of your Space Wolves. I always like seeing People's Army

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>>51086816
>>51086020

Also a update chart.

>>51086816

Mk IV isn't less durable than Mk V.

>>51086816
So why do Salamanders and IW get more MkVIs than the rest? Wasn't the whole thing that they hated it and pushed it on RG to have it fail? And Alphas just stole some of the suits from Mars, so their numbers cannot have been very high compared to loyalist legions, who had supply lines from Terra where the evacuated MkVI suits and production facilities were moved.

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>>51086847
He's talking about VI.

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>>51086829
>MkV
>iconic to DG

>>51086847
At least with the prototypes the Salamanders and Iron Warriors found them less than satisfactory. Due to a lack of heavy plating.

MkV was designed with affordability and durability in mind and had a bunch heavy plating.

That's not to say MkV didn't have problems.
One of them being over-heating.

What's the best way to kit Blackshield Marauders?
Small or large units?
Pure assault, shooty, or mixed? (ie, take free lasguns or give them something better?)
Cheap or tricked out?

Are any of their special bits of wargear (xenos deathlocks, pariah bolters/flamers/armor) worth taking?

Thematically I'm also trying to decide between running them as mercenary techno-barbarians (Outlanders) or as a proto-renegade warband (Chymeriae, option 1 or 3).

>>51086847
>>51086982

Yeah I meant MkVI

>>51087046 this was meant for>>51086967 not>>51086982

>>51086982
Would you like me to switch it back to MkII

>>51072959
Agreed except move French to lowest of low tier.

>>51078130
Yep. Lasrifle Sections even have a rule splitting into 2 units of 10.

>>51087092
No, switch it to IV. III and IV are the ones that have been used for DG.

>>51078130
The cultist horde would not break down according to the rules. I'd certainly let you if you were playing against me, but it would be a house rule.

ZM is a different kind of game, and you have to take those differences in to account when making your list.

>>51087042
Arty in your meta? MSU, preferably in transports

Marauders have a pistol and chainaxe in their base kit. Shotguns and other assault/power weapons are the usual go-to. Don't get too crazy with them. Boys before toys with them if they aren't going in an transport.

Pariah bolters force disordered charges, but give assault weapons to squads they may not have them normally. If you don't take the Rage Wrought By War you will usually trade the S4 AP- charge attack for two S4 AP5 shots. This works well on legion vets with sniper if you don't take combi weapons.

Pariah flamers are pure gold. Support squads and sniper vets love 'em.

Xenos Deathlocks are functionally bad and horribly inefficient. FW botched the rules on them. Do not ever take.

FW also botched the wording on Pariah armor and AP5 will ignore it. Do no ever take.

Outlanders love MSU to avoid evaporating and maximizing the amount of deepstrikers. Sniper Vets, Pariah Flamer Support Squads, Termis, Seekers, all love to deep strike. Get something to help your reserves like a Damocles(bonus no deeepstrike scatter bubble) or ADL with Comms Relay. Rad grenades are sweet.

Chymerie 1s love being proto plague marines. Attach an apoth and grab good shooting weapons and assault positions. Axes and fists since you'll be at -1I. Outriders are a hidden gem here too. Attach an apoth and T6 3+/FnP will get you far, plus one in three can take axes. The plasmagun upgrades might even be worth it at that point.

Option 3 is great with Marauders with power weapons in anvillus, Assault Marines, Outriders with power weapons, Weapon Master Vets etc.

>>51085159
No one trusts the art in Visions of Heresy.

>>51086881
Because the Salamanders, iron warriors and Raven guard were field-testing the MkVI only two years prior Horus heresy. So they would probably have more in other Legions. At least the salamanders would keep theirs do to equipment after Isstvan 5 even if it was their least favorite Power Armor variant.

>>51087146

How MkVI iconic to Death Guard. I I see them in MkII, MkIII, MkIV and MkV then I ever have MkVI

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>>51087301
I wonder why

>>51086881
The Salamanders and IW were given a bunch to field test it before anyone else.

Alpha Legion stole the design and had it produced.

Ultramarines also had their own production capability, so they got more Mk IV than most loyalists.

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If only it worked that way rules wise outside that meh ZM RoW...

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>>51087356
Makes me hard. Fuck you UMs

>>51087297
Wow, that's a lot of good advice. I appreciate the quite-and-to-the-point descriptions, and doubly so the suggested units.

Many thanks, anon.

My area doesn't really have a 30k meta, but I'm trying to get one started. A guy at one store has a good-sized Raven Gaurd army and I've heard one or two at the other are planning out armies, so I'm optimistic.

Assuming people agree that pariah armour works the way it's intended, despite the wording, would it be worth taking?

>>51087301
>visions
See >>51086020

>>51087315
Look, how about we stop using Roman numerals when it seem to be so hard for you.

3 and 4 are used for DG in official GW publications.

>>51087315
>>51087350
Yes, IW and Sallies had them before the Heresy, and they hated them and wanted them to fail, which is why they pushed them to the RG. So why would they have large amounts of suits they don't like?

>>51087420
IW are pragmatic and would use whatever is available. Power armour is power armour, if they don't think it is the best shuffle it to shitty hypno-indoctrinated recruits or designated plasma gunners. (see: Malbon Squad)

Sallies would strap extra armour and paint flame patterns on it, problem solved.

>>51087418
You're welcome. I love me some marine space pirates.

>>51087418
>A guy at one store has a good-sized Raven Gaurd
He has good taste. Is he, by chance, Floridian?

>Assuming people agree that pariah armour works the way it's intended, despite the wording, would it be worth taking?
No, you still can't assault after running and snap shots aren't worth a couple inches of moving AND denying the charge. If you could snap fire, run, and assault it would go great with Chymerie option 3, but alas...

>>51085735
The Space Wolves were never issued mk6 armor in the story you faggot, since they aren't mentioned in the betatest and were nowhere near Terra when both Terra combatants equipped themselves with them.

>>51087455
>No, you still can't assault after running
I hadn't even considered that. Damn.

>He has good taste. Is he, by chance, Floridian?
Louisiana, actually. We dow' on da bayou, mon frere.
Well, I guess I don't know where the guy is from, so he could be Floridian.

And thanks again!

>>51087454
Once shit gets real, sure. But before the Heresy, when things weren't so fucked up and they had an option of taking other suits, there wouldn't have been that much of an incentive to just make do. They could have said "no thanks" and shipped them back, deeming them to be unacceptable.

I'm sure they had some, but so did all legions. Outside of that one IW picture and some old paint scheme models (back when everyone was in beakies), I don't remember seeing many Mk6 Sallies or IW.

>>51087420
>large amounts
Your autism is killing me

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>>51087489
You do realize the Schism of Mars was at the opening of the Heresy and Mars was blockaded for the rest of the Heresy. Mk6 suits and their plans and machinery were rescued at the onset of the Heresy and moved to Terra. They had years to distribute those suits to the Legions. Mk6 was used by just about every Legion.

And none of that removes the fact that HH era Mk4 and 6 Space Wolves are depicted in various places, old and new.

>>51087526
>uncommon = very uncommon

I'm sorry I'm aware of what words mean.

>>51087547
Please tell me someones been saving these. I really want a compiled image.

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Jump/jet pack custodes with lance and shield WHEN

These should be the Ap2/3 guys.

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>>51082614
Been working on pic related to get away from marines for a while.

>>51087614
you poor soul you got the bad plastic

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>>51086829
>>51072021

Last edit of the night.
I may come back tomorrow and do more edits. What does everyone think.

>>51087547

This

>>51087420
I'm usually not this bad with the Roman numerals. I must be tired.

>>51087489

Also This

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>>51087645
It's bad how? Only actual manufacturing problem I had was one of the swords being cut neatly in half on what looked like a seam in the plastic. Or do I get space dick cancer from this or something?

>>51087682
Some of the BoP box sisters got the old formula plastic for some reason, which does not hold detail as well and is slightly transparent.

>>51087592
I like that more slender design. The current custodes look so chubby.

>>51082614
Was working on a squad of MKII, got fed up cleaning resin and assembled 50 plastic marines instead. Won't get to paint them for a while, but might as well assemble my backlog and throw out the sprues. Takes up less space that way.

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>>51085498
Buy these heads from FW, buy some power axes off bits sites and if you got Prospero you could use the eagle shields from the Custodes.

>>51087755
I for one like the thicck custodes.

>>51087755
It's the feet mostly, the plastic minis have gianormeous boots for some odd reason. That specially the legs uncannily resemble smegmarines also doesn't help, and neither does that you only get a single cloak per 5 custodes.

>Go to bed.
>Wake up.
>/hhg/ is still autisming about armour marks.

I'm proud anons.

285pt Primaris Lightning?

Out of interest, how many of you take a praetor even if you don't need one for a ROW etc.? Personally, I get twitchy about having a 2W character as my warlord, so much prefer to take the 3W praetor for that added feeling of security (when not considering a primarch) rather than just use a consul as the warlord. Anyone else feel like that?

>>51088317
I use cheap centurions so I can spend more on guns.

t. IWfag#25167

>>51088317
In most games, I use a Paraetor as my personal stand in on the battlefield, and a dirt cheap seige breaker so I can deploy phosphex death.

However, when i want to win, I take to the field in the guise of a Ordo reductor magos, and take a worthless delagutus to give my Medusa Spam the advantages of the iron fire.

t.Warsmith Leumas "Rapiers are small time" De'Burgo

>>51088317
I usually either have a praetor or Dynat. A dude that is only there to fill a mandatory slot or unlock ROW's that hides in a unit all game feels more like a waste of points than a melee murder machine in the (counter)assault unit my army has anyway.

Ratios of power armour MKs estimate (start of the Heresy):

Dark Angels
MKII - 75%
MKIII - 10%
MKIV - 10%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

Emperor's Children
MKII - 30%
MKIII - 5%
MKIV - 60%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

Iron Warriors
MKII - 40%
MKIII - 35%
MKIV - 20%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

White Scars
MKII - 70%
MKIII - 15%
MKIV - 0%
MKV - 15%
MKVI - 0%

Space Wolves
MKII - 50%
MKIII - 45%
MKIV - 5%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 0%

Imperial Fists
MKII - 50%
MKIII - 30%
MKIV - 20%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 0%

Night Lords
MKII - 25%
MKIII - 10%
MKIV - 50%
MKV - 15%
MKVI - 0%

Blood Angels
MKII - 50%
MKIII - 10%
MKIV - 30%
MKV - 10%
MKVI - 0%

Iron Hands
MKII - 45%
MKIII - 45%
MKIV - 5%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

World Eaters
MKII - 45%
MKIII - 10%
MKIV - 40%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

1/2

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Ultramarines
MKII - 80%
MKIII - 10%
MKIV - 10%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 0%

Death Guard
MKII - 20%
MKIII - 40%
MKIV - 35%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

Thousand Sons
MKII - 60%
MKIII - 20%
MKIV - 20%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 0%

Sons of Horus
MKII - 15%
MKIII - 15%
MKIV - 65%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

Word Bearers
MKII - 25%
MKIII - 15%
MKIV - 55%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 0%

Salamanders
MKII - 50%
MKIII - 45%
MKIV - 5%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 0%

Raven Guard
MKII - 15%
MKIII - 5%
MKIV - 15%
MKV - 5%
MKVI - 60%

Alpha Legion
MKII - 15%
MKIII - 5%
MKIV - 50%
MKV - 0%
MKVI - 30%

2/2

>>51088704
>0%
Automatically bullshit list.

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>>51088737
MKVI was only worn at the break of the Heresy by Raven Guard and Alpha Legion

>>51088763
This is a retcon, everyone wore 100% beakies ALL THE TIME!

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>>51088713
>>51088704
>armor autism
Why?

>>51088821
Because the chaos gods demand delicious raisins.

Next thread, no one is allowed to mention armour, armour marks or ask stupid questions related to armour

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>>51088831
They only get those from suffering Chaosfags.

>>51088847
I think we can agree on this.
Next thread will be Primarch waifus, Mk my words.

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>>51088847
Anon, the armor autism runs deep in this general's culture. At least it's a hated part, but Man Emperor protect us come Inferno. We will know true Hell.
>>51088869
Please don't. Think of the innocent legionaries who have to see you sexualize their dads.

>>51088884
>Implying it would be me waifuing

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>>51088907
I'm watching you.

>>51088933
>FW made VI alternate heads for knights
>Only two are actually good
Why did FW do this?

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>>51088959
Experiment.

>>51088959
They think it justifies delaying Inferno, because they're incompetent faggots.

>>51087592
Gunndamcustodes4life

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Anyone with BoP, does it come with thunder hammers? They're not listed in the box's description, but in the preview video GW put out there clearly is one.

Why didn't the Emperor keep making legions and Primarchs while the crusade was going on?

>>51089058
It does, they're not particularly ornate, but they're there

>>51089058
Yes.
>11 chainswords (one left handed, allowing a sergeant to take 2 chainswords)
I bet Angron did this.

>>51089084
Neat, thanks.

>>51087592
Will be ever get Custodes that are not fat?