Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Zoats

First for Orks are a melee race

>>51069162
So I'm trying to sort out stuff to add to my Eldar army

>Inb4 Eldar OP

I am aware. I mainly wanted to ask what people's thoughts were on War Walkers, as well as if I would be better served getting them, or some of the Corsair Jump versions from Forge World.

>>51069192
It's Eldar. Unless it's Shining Spears, it's a workable unit if not downright OP.

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We finally know why Trazyn is going to Cadia. Tl;dr he was so bored that he decided to play galatic savior....for the time being.

Also sadly I have to report that one of Ward's creation Inquisitor Valeria was killed off screen. Probably as punishment by GW for him leaving them.

Anyways, the book will feature an Ork vs Admech battle on an unrelated planet. Also the battle for the Phalanx which has Be'lakor attempting to seize it from its outnumbered Imperial Fist defenders.

Repostan because it took two brain cells to type this response out

>>51068952 #
AdMech as a faction may not be underdogs but the individual soldiers, the cogs in the machine, definitely are. You can't help but feel bad for them as they're killed by the millions, fighting fanatically against monsters and literal demons for uncaring masters and gods that see them as statistics, numbers on a page, no different from any other expendable resource like ammo or fuel.

Every dead skitarius is an unavoidable tragedy and every victory is made hollow by the knowledge that it was ultimately pointless. The soldiers of the Mechanicus are pathetic figures, even more pitiful than imperial guardsmen on an individual level because of the extensive cyberization and dogmatic fanaticism. They're figures that have been stripped of their humanity but, rather than being elevated beyond human like space marines, have been reduced to an ironic and overwhelmingly sad sub-human state.

>>51069162
>no listbuilder in the OP
Ugh.

>>51069222
Sorry anon with this constant fight over Space odin vs list builder i thought just not including it would be the best option

>>51069222
>>51069162

It's also only got one rules archive.

>>51069232
Oh, I stayed away from the generals for about a day and a half, totally missed that.

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>>51069232
Oh SHIT. It got real. The previous dormant Pylons have been activated. The traitor and the Eye itself felt their bite but so did the defenders of Cadia.


It might been a wise move to activate them....

>>51069117
Still crying.

Why do people act like Black Legion Raptor Talon is something worthwhile? A handful of Raptors that MIGHT come in turn 1 and MIGHT land close enough to make a disordered charge isn't anything to write home about, and it necessitates taking the inferior BL Warband.

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>>51069270
CELESTINE NAAAAAAW!

>>51069296
GSC is a codex entirely based on MAYBE, I guess it's totally worthless too.

>>51069309
Celestine's entire gimmick has always been not-dying. Not even GW could be dumb enough to make a new model for a character just to kill them off

Right?

>>51069296

To be fair, the unit with the warlord will come down T1 no matter what. If the lord has a Dimensional Key, he has a pretty good chance of reaching combat because he can reroll charge distance for having a jump pack that wasn't used in the movement phase, and when he kills something, everything else doesn't scatter.

>>51069331
The Emperor rebirths her in the Warp. Her connection to the Emprah was cut off by the pylons.

And she is about to meet the business end of a sword that contains aa daemon so powerful it can suck out the soul of the Emperor.

Things are not looking good for our fair lady.

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>>51069355
>>51069331

>>51069309
Okay i am less okay with celestine now that i know that she is a warp entity. I trust not the daemons and i suffer none to live

>>51069372
What the hell else could she have possibly been?

>>51069333
It doesn't really benerift the ones arriving turn 1 though.

>>51069331
Hilariously if she survives Abbaddon's sword, then by technicality she is stronger than the Emperor, due to Abbaddon's sword being Emperor's bane.

Hilarious.

BL, plz.

>>51069270
>>51069309
>>51069331
>>51069355
BTFO SoBFAGS!

>>51069371
That what she is thinking but she never met Drachy before and has no idea what it can do.

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THEY LET CELESTINE DIE??? THEY BRING BACK SISTERS OF BATTLE TO GET MONEY JUST TO SQUAT THEM A FEW MONTHS AFTER!!!!!!! THIS ENDTIIIIIIIIIIIMES!!!!!!!!!! DONT YOU SEEEEEEEEE????????

>>51069385
Full deep strike black legion army go! Terminators, podded chosen, raptor talon and mayhem packs. Really make that key work for you

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Okay anons the last time i posted this list i got banned right after so i couldn't reply to anything so tell me anons. Did i do it right?

>>51069409
Why are you paying for so many transports! Why not get double demi gladius and get them all for free?

>>51069355

Seriously. Why go through the hassle of making the first plastic non-vehicle sister model in history just to kill her?

>>51069409
>i got banned right after
Well deserved, it's an awful list.

>>51069331
no her gimmick is based on looking like she dies and then coming back.

>Celestine gets cut off from the Emperor
>turns into a weakling

>Abaddon gets cut off from the Chaos gods
>still as powerful as he was with them
>defeats Celestine with a bitch slap, literally

Comedic and sexist gold right there.

>>51069422
Because you can use special characters that are dead in the "present" fluff given that 40k battles can take place at pretty much any time from 31k onward?

There are already other Codexes that contain special characters which are dead.

>>51069392
>due to Abbaddon's sword being Emperor's bane.
How many Emperors has it killed?

>>51069447
3

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>>51069435

Yea, but they're also advancing the plot and we can assume they're going to want people playing in the post plot movement. Killing the new model before the plot officially inches forward sounds stupid.

>>51069315
GSC units are cheap as shit and are mostly better in CC than Raptors.

>>51069333
Dimensional Key is another maybe, and necessitates throwing even more points on suicide units. All so that any straggler squads can non-scatter when they arrive and wow the enemy with the power of five MEQ's launching a disordered assault.

>>51069456
They may BS their way out of it by having the soul-stealing effect of the sword also blocked by the Pylons. Celestine doesn't rez on the battlefield, but a couple systems away where she's out of their influence.

>>51069435
Yea but who wants to use some dead chump.

inb4 celestine dies and then gets reborn

by the will of the templars

>>51069447
Almost 1. The Emperor could not destroy or banish. With each blow it struck the Emperor it drained out his soul. The Emperor did a desperate gambit by trapping it inside a Custodes who he told to run far away in the Webway. Get as fat from his as possible since as long as the daemon is kept away from the Emperor, humanity will endure. Then the Emperor sealed the Webway gate for good measure.

>>51069471
Literally anyone playing a historical battle scene in which that character featured?

Using special characters outside of unique narrative campaign missions designed around them is fucking retarded anyways.

>>51069473
far from him*

>>51069470

That's honestly what I was thinking. Possessed, daemon engines, and shit all got stripped away.

>what if it is free now

>>51069423
Its also wrong because i cant read a codex

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Can someone please tell me how army organization works in 7th?

Basically, I want to play Iron Warriors with the Traitor Legion rules but also run my two Basilisk tanks, just like in the good old days.

Is that possible? I really don't understand all this detachment stuff and how Unbound works.

>>51069497

Detachments and unbound don't work

>>51069489
Then it would be swimming its way to Terra to finish what it started.

>>51069497
Pick up the rulebook. Go to the section on "Building an Army". Read all of it, including the following pages on Detachments and so forth, in-detail, instead of skimming like a retarded middle schooler with ADD.

Congratulations, you now know how it works.

>>51069473
So now it's "Drach'nyen: Echo of the first murder, Thorn in Reality, Shard of Madness, End of Empires, Almost bane of Emperor and a Nun."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa8NREI_IPs

>>51069497
Essentially, you'd build an army of Iron warriors, though you'd only be able to use formations rather than detatchments. Then, you stick two Unbound Basilisks on top of it. They'll still be counted as Imperial Guard units and will need to deploy away from other things, but you could still add them in.

>>51069519
I did and now I understand it even less than before.

>>51069497
Stick on Renegades and heretics for cannon fodder war-slaves and as much artillery as you like.

>>51069541
Then you might just be too retarded to play this game, anon, I don't know what to tell you. It spells out absolutely everything with no room for error, unlike a lot of GW writing.

>>51069541
Then 40k too hard for you, stick to the vidya.

>>51069526
It is his bane because he cannot fight and cannot stop it by himself. It can fatally wound him easily.

So unless he has an infinite supply of Custodes and sealed Webway gates, then he is doomed.

>>51069555

What if Trayzn catches it in a poke ball after the pylons expelled it from the sword?

>>51069533
Would I still get the Iron Warriors rules from the Iron Warriors formations?

I plan use the Renegade basilisks from IA 13 for this, since they are battle brothers and get access to BS 4.

>>51069564
That's the entire plot you spoiled right there.

>>51069565
You do still get the benefits of Formations in Unbound if I recall. Also, using the Renegade basilisks solves the Ally problem.

>>51069565
formations yes, but not the detachment.

Which is better for Night Lords?

Traitor Legions (CSM)
Legions Astartes (30k)

I'm leaning towards 30k

>>51069497
Take your Iron Warriors In a Chaos Space Marine detachment that you design Iron Warriors. This could either be a CAD, or the "Iron Warriors Grand Company" detailed in Traitor Legions.

To get specifically Basilisks (as opposed to Vindicators or other standard CSM tanks) you'll need to ally in a detachment from the Traitor Guard(Renegades and Heretics) detailed in Imperial Armor 13. You'll need to take a CAD so your Basilisks will have a tax of an HQ and 2 Troops, but luckily R&H are dirt cheap and make good tarpits. IA13 is in the second link in the OP.

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>>51069564
what if trazyn is secretly trying to

steal as many souls of legendary heroes as he can to awaken an ancient necron god and take over the universe

>>51069596
Out of Trazyn's character.

>>51069583
>I'm leaning towards 30k
Ok

>>51069602

wait wait let me finish!

steal as many souls of legendary heroes as he can to awaken an ancient necron god and take over the universe...to add to his collection!

>>51069615

Thanks for the discussion

>>51069584
>>51069545
Just to summarize if I got it right:

If I do that, I would have to make a Battle-Forged army, fulfilling the requirements for a primary detachment (1 HQ, 2 Troops of IWs) and an allied detachment (1 HQ, 1 Trooper of renegades)

After that, I would have access to 1 Heavy Support Slot, that can buy an Artillery formation (for the basilisk).

>>51069577
>>51069582
So, what would you guys recommend I go for, the Unbound army or the real army with an allied detachment?

>>51069596
>necron god
No such thing, part of the whole doomed to brief lives under a cancer-sun is no gods.

>>51069565
If you go the Unbound route you'll get Blood Feud, Iron Within, Iron Without, Patrons of the Technovirus, and Siege Masters. You would not get the Warsmith, Masters of Annihilation or Instractible Brotherhood rules. Nor would you get Objective Secured from a CAD.

If you go this route >>51069584, you have to take some extra Traitor Guard, but you have all benefits available to you. You'd also need to go this route if you want to play in most tournaments since few allow unbound armies.

>>51069602
what if celestine is

possessed by something similar to a good demon, perhaps a being of pure light, and it escapes from her because the emperor can no longer contain it, and purges the sector of all things unclean, including any imperial planets that are tainted by the slightest bit of heresy

>>51069633
Unbound might suffice, though some people might not want to play you as much. An Allied detatchment wouldn't be too tricky to add, as troops for R&H are rather cheap. That also has the benefit of giving you access to some other neat tanks and IG vehicles.

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dont b8 me b4 u r8 me

>>51069633
No in 7th you can take as many detachments as you want. So you can take 2 CaDs, or a random formation and a CaD, or just a random formation and no CaD. A CAD is just another formation in 7th.
Go for a real army, unbound is the gayest

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>>51069596
Welp, thread is shit, time to paint.

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>>51069409
So i updated it to include the free transports but at the same time i decided to move it up to 2k points so i can run some redeemers

>>51069633
>Just to summarize if I got it right:
>If I do that, I would have to make a Battle-Forged army, fulfilling the requirements for a primary detachment (1 HQ, 2 Troops of IWs) and an allied detachment (1 HQ, 1 Trooper of renegades)
>After that, I would have access to 1 Heavy Support Slot, that can buy an Artillery formation (for the basilisk).

Yup, you got it.

>>51069633
Generally battle forged is recommended since unbound is looked down on outside of friendly games. However, as you get back into things you can probably just go with Unbound at first and add the Traitor Guard later if you decide you want to make you army battle forged for whatever reason.

>>51069660
what if you aren't going to paint and you're actually going to

masterbate while looking at pornographic images of 2d animated girls

>>51069427
>Emperor Daemon gets cut off from source of power
>is a regular human
>10,000 year old posthuman killing machine is cut off from chaos benefits
>is still a 10,000 year old posthuman killing machine
Try harder.

>>51069633
>If I do that, I would have to make a Battle-Forged army, fulfilling the requirements for a primary detachment

Keep in mind that instead of the CAD you could use an Iron Warriors Grand Company as your primary detachment if you wanted, and still be able to add on the allied detachement (or CAD of Traitor Guard). IW often just use CAD though so they can have Oblits as troops.

>>51069583
Just get both? It'll be mostly the same models either way.

30K legions can struggle at the lower point values that 40k is generally played at, especially since they can't MSU as hard.

>>51069471
Everyone, if it has good rules

>>51069596
Nah. I think he just wants to nab some hard to find Chaos toys.

>>51069654
Drop the croissant for particle beamers on the Tomb Blades and a unit of deathmarks

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>>51069698
She is still a Battle Sister in power armor. She is trained from her youth to tackle and subdue marines.

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>>51069654
Looks pretty solid to me, only thing I'd change would be to replace nebuloscopes with shadowlooms. You dont need ignore cover with 3 gauss blaster shots on average when you have a bunch of AP2 sticksand an AP2 kill ray on stalker. Rather take that insufferable 3+ jink.

>>51069717
But why? particle beamers a shit and deathmarks ain't that good?

How does this affect Tyranids, Orks and the Eldar factions? This would greatly empower the Necrons against all factions with warp-based power.

>>51069698
I think the bigger issues is using a literal backhanded slap as the move which wins the fight.

And introducing Celestine just to kill her off seems ridiculous. Not to mention its hardly an impressive victory on Abaddon's behalf so it does nothing but kill off all three of the only SOB characters introduced in the very book they are introduced in.

That and between killing Celestine, her two Sisters and Valeria in one book (and no male characters of import dying it seems) I gotta wonder if someone at GW recently ordered a cull of all female charaacters.

>>51069763
Shit i wonder how does it affect the nids? can it silence the hive mind. If so then nids are going to be BTFO like crazy

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Hey anons, is the Word Bearers Omnibus any good? They and the Iron Warriors are my two favorite CSM legions, and I've heard it's pretty good/decent for BL?

>>51069762
You have a nebuloscope so ignores cover blasts aren't bad, they are jetbike so jump shoot jump is a good tradeoff for gauss at the same range.

Deathmarks for Ethereal Inception and hunters From Hyperspace while being sniper

>>51069770
maybe its time celestine died off and was reborn

in a new sister entirely, maybe shes like the dalai llama of sisters and we don't know it yet.

>>51069763
Orks lose their Waaaaagh! effect and a lot of their technology will be shitter (than usual) and outright cease to function. Without the Waaagh! Orks will not grow bigger and smarter as they fight.

The Tyranid Hivemind will suffer greatly because any Hive Fleet in range will be cut off from the hivemind and the most psychic nids might just keel over and die. The hive fleets will be scattered and confused.

The Eldar would just become cripples or die.

>>51069774
Presumably it'd effect Nids, since Greyfax a Psyker was affected, and Nids are largely just a powerful Psyker race.

But the jury is out till we're shown in canon since Nids seem to also avoid most of the dangers most Psykers suffer such as Daemonic Temptation/Corruption or exploding into portals for Daemons to come through.

tl;dr Who knows, we'll have to probably wait till they tell us.

>>51069804
>implying the will of an orc isn't stronger than logic

>>51069804
Will Orks be affected as such? I've never heard of Necron tech affecting Orks in such a way. The Waaagh is already quite unique seeing as the Shadow in the Warp doesn't seem to stop it either going by every Ork/Nid encounter we know.

>>51069806
>Wait till they tell us
So when we get our codex update in 9th ed?

>>51069800
Why introduce a new Miniature for her then?

Also what about Valeria and the Gemini?

I mean best case scenario is Celestine comes back, and I pray to the Emperor she does, but since its GW I'm also not going to be surprised if all the major female characters in the Imperium all die off.

Bigger deal anyway is that Abaddon's big victory is a swordfight against a normal woman. Where's Logan or Ragnar or Helbrecht? Abaddon beating a SoB is hardly impressive.

>>51069708
Except Volkite terror squads and drop pods.

Also, I can't figure out a decent NL 40k list that isn't 40000 raptors. I get it, I like raptors, too, but raptor talons aren't the end all be all, especially when they're not even ObSec, just core.

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>>51069825
Yep, the Ork and Shadow combat each other for Warp usage so neither one is canceled out. The Pylons cut off reality from Warp and becalms the immaterium.

Both the Orks and nids would be cut off from their psychic fuel sources.

>>51069804
>The Eldar would just become cripples or die.
Nah. DE are basically devoid of psykers. Spiritstones are self-contained. Mainly it would just blind the Farseers.

>>51069847
Abaddon already killed Sigismund. He was nothing else to prove.

So good people, yesterday i played a 4k vs 4k game of thousand sons vs DA deathwing.
favored and blessing of tzeentch all over, magnus/forgefiend/heldrake/helbrute extras, fully loaded core with 20 rubrics in 3 rhinos, 18 termies, astral grimoire termie star,daemon prince, termie sorc/3 sorc, renegade knight w thermal cannon/fist. All sorcerers and dp ML3, using mostly tzeentch with one sinistrum and one ectomancy.
Opponent had plasma&pick bikers/flamer bikers/multimelta attack bikes/2 melta land speeders, that skimmer with the sword guy, all the hq's like az,ez,as,bel, termies with shields, three rhinos full of marines, unit of jump marines, a melta dread in pod, neph jet fighter and a storm eagle.

I win roll off, deploy everything except 2 termie squads and heldrake. he seizes and shoots up some stuffs, plinks the knight once and grabs more or less all the objectives and scores 5 maelstorm points.
I move my shit up, explode a rhino with my forgefiend, shoot down the tacs inside a bit, melta blasts another rhino and kill some tacs. Feels like im doing great, though magnus and dp didnt do fuck all flying and my psychich phase was more or less only getting blessings.
Next turn he assault just about everything, deepstrikes 10 termies in the middle, explodes all my rhinos, kill forgefiend and immobilize helbrute, gets an 1hp-explode result and a glance on the knight, yet i dont lose That much models.
back and forth like that until i give up with 2 points vs 12 turn 4 when magnus dies in combat with half my opponents army cause i landed, tired of flying and not doing any damage. He even tanked my daemon prince + magnus in cc at the same time with his little hq-star.

Lessons learned: dont use magnus, hes more or less useless at those points. Dont get tied up in combat, which is impossible. Try to stay mobile, yea also impossible.. 26 warp charges barely covers the force-casting needed for blessing of tzeentch on 9 units.. ohwell it was more fun than old 1ks

>>51069770
>Sisters of Battle get to go out in a blaze of glory
>time to start shitposting about how GW hates women
Fuck off.

>>51069756
>She is trained from her youth to tackle and subdue marines.
No she isn't.
>She is still a Battle Sister in power armor.
Abaddon is a space marine wearing terminator armor. She has zero chance of winning that conflict.

>>51069852
Not really. In Wraithflight, the Shadow in the Warp was so powerful it created a potent null field in real space. This threatened to kill any living Eldar so the Eldar sent wraith warriors instead.

>>51069847
Hard to say, we're not used to how GW will handle an an advancing story. Keep in mind though that Blood Angels still have access to pre and post death company Captain Tycho despite him dying more than fifteen years ago in the Third War of Armageddon.

>>51069864
redshirt please.

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>>51069659
Okay, then I will do just that. Thanks for the help everyone, I really appreciate it.

I don't think I'll go for the Grand Company right away, because the choices available seem like like a lot of investment, I'm more the guy for smaller games and a flavorful list.

What I imagine the army look like, is something like a Warpsmith as my HQ (he hangs out with the basilisks), 2 squads of Iron Warriors CSMs and the cannon fodder + tanks (having to buy renegades actually makes the list more fluffy imo).

>>51069851
Interestingly that article doesn't mention Orks.

And additionally implies Pylons don't insta-defeat nids either. An impressive weapon but clearly no auto-win.

>>51069847
Abbaddon killed the Imperium's greatest swordmaster in M31, one whom had beaten Sevatar and Khârn, iirc, the first Emperor's Champion, and founder of the Black Templars, Sigismund. There are none who can beat him in melee combat fluffwise in M41, though I dunno about on the tabletop.

>>51069848
Raptor Talon ain't worth it. 3x Raptors in the Warband is enough.

>Volkite
Magnets, son.

>Drop Pods
Use them as Dreadclaws and/or just don't take very many.

>>51069889
Those are not Pylons in the picture. Those are the lesser versions of them, null field matrices. I just posted it to show what a lesser version can do to the Hivemind.

>>51069888
I would suggest including some Havocs as well, as they gain Tank Hunters from the Iron Warriors tactics, which can be rather devastating with Meltaguns, Autocannons, or the like.

>>51069864
Did I say GW hates women? No I didn't.

I did point out that they aren't very good at representing Female Special characters and just killed four of them off in the space of one book, three of them having only been introduced in that book.

As for this 'blaze of glory' that argument will be valid once all the characters of another Imperium faction die too.

Would you like to take a bet then that in the next book all the Space Wolf Special Characters die? Or all the Blood Angels?

Why not kill Creed?

Honestly I'm not even sure what your point is. You're using this nebulous concept of 'a blaze of glory' to assert that there's nothing wrong with GW killing off exclusively all the SoB's special characters in the very book they are introduced in.

>>51069880
Yes but the Blood Angels didn't also lose all their special characters in the same book said characters were introduced in. It is a pretty big disparity in treatment.

>>51069904
>Why not kill Creed?
>implying creed isnt going to die
Also on a related note Vostroyans were released from the vault so maybe Vostroyan plastic models soon?

>>51069890
How does this change that in Fall of Cadia's climax Abaddon doesn't have an impressive victory?

Didn't I say that his victory against Celestine isn't impressive because she's so weak?

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>>51069309

"And from the blood of the living saint, KALDOR DRAIGO WAS SUMMONED!!!!!!!"

>>51069921
It's book one of the series. No need to go all balls in.

>>51069917
So your argument boils down to you are insisting Creed will die.

So if Creed doesn't die what then?

>>51069914
Death Company Tycho was introduced after he was dead.

>>51069929
Hey anon im not the original one you were arguing with. I was just pointing out that creed will probably die

>>51069933
What part of 'didn't lose ALL their special characters in the same book they were introduced in' could you not understand?

>>51069921
>Didn't I say that his victory against Celestine isn't impressive because she's so weak?

She came in and multi-killed Greater Daemons before going straight at Abaddon. How is she weak?

>>51069858
Magnus is mediocre, despite what shitposters on /tg/ claim. He's a 650 model that's entirely reliant on the rest of the army being built around fueling his prodigious Warp Charge requirements, and his damage output will often fail to make up for the resources required.

Favored of Tzeentch is worthless. Note the wording of the rule; it turns off once the formation loses a unit. The Plague Colony and Kakophani both have clauses in their "favored number" rules that specify they only need the maxed unit count at the beginning of the game.

>>51069941
Sorry I thought your earlier post was concerned about future rules issues because she may be dead. Not a "my faction didn't win" fluff argument.

>>51069796
Only eldar jetbikes can JSJ.

>>51069899
If I ever upgrade to the Grand Company (and buy all the stuff I'd need for a Warband), I probably will.

Kind of annoying that I have to use a Chaos Lord for a Warband, Warpsmiths would be so much more fitting.

>>51069949
Because when Abaddon fights her she's been deprived of those powers. She is reduced to a simple human, implied due to her resurrections to even be potentially weakened.

I mean lets not kid ourselves. Obviously they didn't want to kill of a Space Marine Special Character here (a big cheese like Celestine) so they just went to an expendable faction.

Hey anons, what are the WB rules for Traitor Legions?

And how is the CSM codex compared to the Khorne Daemonkin Codex?

>>51069957
More like 'every special character and narrative entity in my faction died' argument. I mean 'not winning' is something SoB have been doing in fluff for years, that hardly concerns me.

>>51069183
I2
too late as usual

>>51069953
Oh i never thought that the formation bonus would be removed when losing a unit. And i dont think my gaming group would make me play like that. Pretty sure RAI is it stays in.

Magnus is a real disappointment. Psychic witchfire spells just dont do enough for the points needed. It's all about the telepathy and biomancy buffs really, which magnus cant fucking take anyway.

1Ks was written by a space wolf player that also wrote the wulfen supplement. It's pretty obvious hes a furry that hates the legions. Rest of the legion book is better because no furry touched it.

BUT! i survived way longer than usual, when he got into assault i stayed alive for several turns, just didnt have the fighting power to punch through 3+ or T5 bikers

>>51069904
>someone at GW recently ordered a cull of all female charaacters.
>sexist gold
Sure, you're definitely not shitposting about gender representation in a dystopian hellscape game made by and almost exclusively for men. A game based entirely around warfare, something that has pretty much been an exclusively male activity throughout human history.

It won't be in the next book, but I'd be willing to wager that one or more Space Wolf characters will die before the conclusion of the 13th Black Crusade.

Creed very well might die. Or he might just faff about in the background and never get time in the limelight.

My real point is that Sisterfags are practically nonexistent outside internet echo chambers and that martyring themselves was pretty much the best possible outcome of their involvement in the End Times.

>>51069963
>she's been deprived of those powers

So was Abaddon. They were on an equal footing.

>>51069963
Apparently that's not the end of the story.
Celestine impales Abaddon and he runs away and cries.

>>51070016
Wow look at all those 'mights' and 'probably's'

Almost as if you don't actually have any support to substantiate your argument.

>>51070026
Sure

>>51069975
Link is in the OP

>>51069962
Don't worry. Warpsmiths are required all over the various auxiliary choices.

>>51069993
>Pretty sure RAI is it stays in.
There's no evidence for that position. Compare the wording of Favored of Tzeentch to the wording of the Vindicator/Predator squadron bonuses and to the Plague Colony/Kakophani formation bonuses. RaW Favored of Tzeentch definitely turns off once a unit from the formation karks.

Witchfire spam can work for Tzeentch Daemons, but that's about it. Thousand Sons just aren't efficient enough in terms of WC generation and are hamstrung by the discipline of Tzeentch.

>>51070064
Cannot into epub on my phone, anon.

Also, I don't think mega libraries work on mobile yet either.

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>>51070064
>>51070086
>tfw the mega libraries finally work on mobile
But it says I can't open the file on my browser.

>>51069975
WB rules are shit.

World Eater rules are superior for running actual CSM, but KDK as a whole is probably still better.

>>51070086
>Cannot into epub on my phone, anon.
ibooks or Google Books/Kobo

>Also, I don't think mega libraries work on mobile yet either.
They do, you just need the MEGA app.

But here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)#World_Eaters

>>51070102
Not him, but I can't get Kobo to import GW epubs. I bought the Daemonic Incursion epub, but I'm stuck reading it on a different reader that can't render the text and pictures on the pages properly.

>>51070077

seeing as 1ks was written by a different guy and the legions book was knocked out by someone with a bit more sense i can still see it as RAI. The formation bonus is just shit from the start since you need 9 units of termies and idiotic shit like that anyway, adding insult to injury at that level could never have been allowed if someone other than the furry read it like that.

>>51070113
>I'm stuck reading it on a different reader that can't render the text and pictures on the pages properly

You need an epub3 reader, there should be some others available. Kobo has worked for everything I've asked it to do though.

>>51070113
I just convert them into mobi format and use the kindle app. Works perfectly.

>>51070036
>give me proof of things that will happen in the future and that are utterly irrelevant to your argument
>see, you can't, therefore I'm right

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So, guys, yesterday I found there's a friendly local gaming store in my town after all. We had one before, but it went out of business a year or two ago.

I'm gonna go pick up this guy from the store today with the intention of getting back into the hobby.

Wanted to ask if there's somebody who knows this kit, who could tell me, what's a good way to equip this guy?

>>51070121
Traitor's Hate introduced the vehicle squadron bonuses which use a very similar wording and do turn off once the squadron drops below three.

There is nothing to indicate that the RaI for Favored of Tzeentch is for the bonus to stay on after casualties.

>>51070142
A Space Marine Captain on foot? Naked (Chainsword and Bolt Pistol) or Relic Blade (big Power Weapon) plus Artificer Armor.

Hey guys, the Iron Warriors guy again.

Just a small thing; How would you guys equip the one command squad and the one trooper squad of IA 13 Renegades that I'm going to take?

I'm basically just taking them as a tax in order to use my basilisks, but should I run them naked as cannon fodder of maybe attach a heavy weapon or something to the command squad?

Also, using cultist models to represent these guys is totally fine right?

>>51070142
Depends what you want him for, Fist and Combi Weapon are usually good shouts. To be honest Chaplains and Libbys provide more utility than Captains in almost all situations.

>>51070174
Unless you're taking Chimeras, don't take anything on them. Too squishy and inaccurate to be worth the points.

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Since OP is a moron: Does anyone have a link to the listbuilder?

>>51070100
I guess I'll just run them as Khorne dedicated WB.

>>51070102
Thanks anon! The latent powers WT seems ridiculous.

Wouldn't that mean if a ML3 sorcerer was your warlord he could become ML4?

>>51070189
http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>51069864
>LITERALLY goes down to bitch slap
I guess GW thinks she should have stayed in the kitchen?

/pol/, please.
Don't defend this.

>>51070189
No, I have a link to Google.com

>>51070121
Stop responding to the troll Anon.

>>51070189
See
>>51069232

>>51070077
>There's no evidence for that position.
Sure there is. Most formation bonuses that can be lost mid battle explicitly call out that they will do so. For example The Hellforged Warpack provides a bonus "while their Warpsmith is alive and on the battlefield". Favoured of Tzeentch has neither that language, not the "at the start" language from Plague Colony. It's sort of in between. I think your interpretation is valid but not certain from pure RAW, but I think RAI more likely than not to operate similar to Plague Colony and Kakaphoni.

>>51070218
>not the
nor the

>>51069654
cool list, but i would advise you to reconsider the barge, because although its a bitch to kill in shooting, its a breeze in cc. also blasts kill it pretty easy. if the enemy has a knight or an equivalent of thunder hammers, its toast.

>>51070189
>>51070201

I've had enough, I'm reporting that site to GW, they they can C&D it to death and the 40Kg will be a better place.

>>51070184
Okay, got it.

Should I run a single unit of 5 Renegade Veterans for 35 to keep it cheap or pay the 90 points for the troops just to have 30 bodies to throw into the grinder?

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Progress on my raptor talon

>>51070227
I bubble wrap it with the blades, and usually by the time they've got close enough to hit it the Praetorians are there to save the day. Do Blasts hit it twice though? I've never really come across that.

>>51070218
Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant. Favored of Tzeentch specifies that they get the bonus while the formations have the maximum number of units. This means they do not get the bonus whenever the formation is not at the maximum number of units. RaW is clear.

Predator/Vindicator squadron bonuses use almost the same wording and it is lost once one vehicle is destroyed.

>>51070238
Is it supposed to be camouflage?

>>51070202
Abaddon bitch slapped Kharn too. He's an egalitarian.

>>51070062
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1579
But somehow it's all just as planned and the pylons crack anyway but the effect is unknown/offscreen

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>>51070256
>Predator/Vindicator squadron bonuses use almost the same wording and it is lost once one vehicle is destroyed.

No? What in the fuck are you talking about?

>>51069331

She died in her original story. Her being unkillable was a gimmick ward made up.

>>51070286
??

She had resurrection rules in her first appearance in Witch Hunters.

Magnus seems pretty WC efficient as long as you are not throwing Ds around, which you will only be doing against superheavies and that's worth it anyway.

Like, cast Siphon, cast with your other dudes, and then you get Devolution, Doombolt, Gateway and Bolt of Change essentially for free. Use D bolt or Treason if you have some extra shit left and Gaze if two or three vehicles lined up.

That being said, 650 points does feel excessive.

>>51070244
no, but they automatically allocate to the barge, you cant choose to take them on the olord. so if an ignores cover st10 blast lands on it, its gone.

>>51069596
What if Trazyn is secretly trying to be the very best like no one ever was?

>>51070258
Dirty black armour

>>51070314
They kinda fall in with the table.

>>51069960
Have you completely forgotten that the blueberry meme race exists?

>>51070283
Those aren't the Predator/Vindicator squadron bonuses. Try again.

>>51070297

We are talking about the fluff. Yarrik can resurrect rule wise but that is not due to him being able to resurrect fluff wise.

>>51070301
>Magnus seems pretty Warp Charge efficient so long as you don't bother using the only reason to bring him

Any info about the new formations in FoC? I want some Templar love.

>>51070256
>>51070283
Oh. You mean from Codex: Space Marines. And no it is not
>almost the same wording

It says "Whilst this unit includes three Predators" i.e. explicitly while the unit has three predators.

Favoured says "If a <formation> contains the maximum number of units". Much less explicit.

>>51070357
Do you see it pasted up and down the general as well as in 2-3 separate threads?

>>51070340
Her first fluff was in Witch Hunters too though? Pretty sure it includes the resurrection/reappearance aspect.

>>51069770
Don't worry, in the following books Lelith Hesperax will gather all the stronk womyn like Shadowsun and Tona Criid and totally dominate the whole galaxy with them in series of YASSS QUEEN moments.

>>51070022
*in regards to warp powers, yes.
He is a Primarch.
She was a twink "reborn too many times" i.e. something of a HollowedUndead analogue.

>>51070382
>Abbadon
>a Primarch

Hey /tg/, I'm doing a few matches of Kill Team with some mates later today. I'm a schmuck who plays Renegades, so I'm not playing to win. Not getting wasted would be nice though. How's this look?

-- Cult of Dudes -- 200pts

- Disciples - 85pts
Carapace for Squad
Champion w/ Pistol and CCW
- Leader
1 Disciple w/ Autogun
1 Disciple w/ Plasmagun
- FNP Specialist
Autocannon Team
- Relentless Specialist

- Veterans - 115pts
Carapace for Squad
4 Vets w/ Pistol, CCW
1 Vet w/ Pistol, CCW
- Re-roll Wounds Specialist
Dedicated Chimera w/ Autocannon

I've never played Killteam before, so I don't really know what to do. Idea is to kill anything scary with autocannons and assault what they don't kill.

>>51069962
Warpsmith does not equal warsmith. Warsmith is just the title for a chapter master level iron warriors commander. It could be a sorcerer or even a 'chaos lord'

>>51070371

Nope. The story ends with her death in a nuclear explosion.

>>51070358
They're also in Traitor's Hate and Traitor Legions.

If one unit from the formation is destroyed, it not longer has the maximum number of units. That is not debatable.

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This is what I'm aiming to build, and there is nothing you can do to stop me!
Except giving me advice on what I did wrong. I'd really like to play Black Templars, and have Helbrecht and Tankred in my list. But considering that this is the first time I tried building a list on my own, it's probably horribly stupid/illegal to play. Going higher, pointswise, wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd just like to have a useful list that I can build over time.

>>51070395
Oh sure. I simply like it better when the models that look like techmarines are actually able to repair stuff with their techmarine arms. (I have the old Warsmith model)

>>51070456
You've got a horrifically cheesy formation which somehow you've managed to fuck up massively, devastators can only have 4 heavy weapons in a squad and mixing them is stupid. The "Detachment" at the top is illegal, consisting purely of a HQ and Elite. It's also got NO synergy with chapter tactics and unless you're planning on walking Helbrecht across the board, where the fuck is he meant to go?
Do you even have the codex m8, cuz I'd suggest reading it before you make a list.

>>51069331
>>51069309
>>51069355
>>51069372
>>51069309
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>51070473
Anon im not even a SoBfag

>>51070456
Don't use the list builder if you don't know how to build a list. It's only a holder for points values, not a tutorial.

Please go read the "Choosing Your Army" section of the rulebook then try again.

>>51070472
Okay, thanks. I probably should have read the codex first, instead of just taking whatever sounded nice.

>>51069427
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Trazyn comes in tells the Imperials how to activate the Pylons
>The pylons activate
>instead of helping the Imperials, the pylons fucked over the Imperial side and give the traitors the advantage
>Imperials lose on Cadia and it falls

Trazyn : I AM HEEEEELPING!

>>51070419
>They're also in Traitor's Hate and Traitor Legions.
No they aren't? But that's mostly irrelevant.

I've said my piece. Your interpretation is a valid RAW interpretation but not conclusive. And is especially not with regard to RAI. It's even in the minority according to a quick internet search of this question asked elsewhere.

>>51070382
You wut m8.

>>51070234

Hey anon, Renegades player here. I would definitely go with the platoon of bodies over five dudes.

Renegades are just not good, and the only benefit vets have over regular infantry is WS 4 BS 3 instead of WS 2 BS 2. They're meant to take gear. If you're just taking vets without a chimera or special weapons, you're paying 6pts a model for no performance.

You'd be much better with 30 bodies each carrying a lasgun/autogun or hell, even a pistol and a knife, just for sheer weight of number of dice. At least they might do something worthwhile.

Or, if you think like a real Renegade, it's easier to cover more of your valuable troops with 30 models than it is five. Gotta love that sweet, sweet friends and enemies cover save.

>>51070513
Abaddon is Horus's clone, right?

>>51070515
That's why he looks different, right?

>>51070494
OH VEY!

Trazyn is another Mannfred!

>>51070515
If you don't know who Abbadon is how are you competent to argue about about him.

>>51070506
Page 112 for Traitor's Hate, page 36 for Traitor Legions. I never really understood why you retards don't even bother checking when someone tells you where something is. Takes literal seconds.

You've made baseless claims that the rule isn't clear, but it is. If a unit has been destroyed, the formation no longer contains the maximum number of units. The ability to reroll 1's is contingent on the formation having the maximum number of units. This is conclusive based on the RaW and there is no strong evidence one way or the other for the RaI.

Sick appeal to the masses, but this isn't a climate change symposium.

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GOODBYE CADIA. HELLO TERRA!

>>51070484

To give a little more constructive feedback other than just "hahaha this sucks read a book", if you're going for Templars, their strength is in bodies holding power weapons. Assault Troops are a decent choice, and if you're not taking armor Devastators are solid.

Like the other Anon said, dedicate each devastator squad to a task. Anti-tank? Take Lascannons. Anti-infantry? Heavy Bolters for most things, or Plasma Cannons for killing other Marines.

A big problem you might face is, as again the other anon pointed out, is that Rhinos are small, and your squads should be big. You need a way to distract the enemy while your dudes are running across the field. Then you run into the problem that running is slow, but that's a different topic for a different day.

Ideally, you want to be in assault in turn 2, turn 3 at the very latest. Assault troops will help with this, but they're not going to be enough to carry your army.

Think about what kind of army you want, and then read the codex. Maybe Templars aren't what you're looking for.

Otherwise, if you're collecting for the hobby and not the game, do literally whatever the hell you want.

>>51070329
Yeah I got a think for black

>>51070142
Only buy this kit if you're planning to swap the legs with contemporary kits. Even then it is a bit of a rip off considering it is probably over 10 years old.

Any idea how much Xbox huge Magos cost by it self? I do not wish the other things in the bundle, but I think he is the bulk of the price.

>>51070617
Buy the set, others will sell instantly for 40% of box price and for 50% too.

>>51070142
Bought that kit because I wanted to make a Company Master and used 2 bits from it - backpack and cloak - because the rest were so shit quality.

>>51070541
>Page 112 for Traitor's Hate, page 36 for Traitor Legions. I never really understood why you retards don't even bother checking when someone tells you where something is.

My bad. Missed them when I checked because they're formatted so differently.

Apparently Abbadon was choking the shit out of Creed when Celestine stabs him in the back and he teleports away.

Pylons work briefly and then completely shit themselves and destroy Cadia.

>>51070592
That hurt my eyes but is there anything that shows why Trazyn '''''helped'''' then?

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Just getting back into 40k after a 10 year break....can anyone explain why the 13th Black Crusade is happening again?

Pretty sure that already got done back when I was a kid.

>>51070617
$60 if I have to guess. That's what Drycha, a comparable size/complexity character model for AoS Sylvaneth is. The Triumverate is likely "discounted" in the manner of many of GWs bundle boxes these days. Greyfax will end up $25 and Celestine/Twins 40-50 if boxed individually.

>>51070634
Oh I'm buying but I want to pay my part and my friend pay his part. Since the bloody bundle is not an obvious split.

4 models for him, 1 Carnifex for me. With no price references we are kind of lost.

>>51070667
>Pretty sure that already got done back when I was a kid.
Done and subsequently retconned. Now GW is doing it again on their terms.

>>51070660
He wanted to take on a role of galactic savior and be a part of history. When he realized he basically screwed things up with his "help", he knew then he was better off as a thief than a would be failure.

He wanted to nap Abaddon and escape but he couldn't (for now) so he left.

>>51070674
I guess 14th Black Crusade doesn't have the same ring to it.

>>51070680
would be saviour*

>>51070680
>He wanted to nap Abaddon and escape but he couldn't (for now) so he left.
Lol sounds great. Why not?

>>51070671
The set is £50 that is why it is rather confusing. Let's work with pounds for prices mostly out because they are the original prices.

>>51070667
All the black crusade fluff got retconned/shifted around since for years 40k was never allowed to progress in time.

>>51070673
count the parts, weight the sprues, make a emotional estimate of how much it's worth to you.

>>51070684
The issue is that if they did the 14th it would be almost immediately after the 13th in 40k time.

>>51070688
The planet was exploding. Was too dangerous.

>>51070617
£30 for the Magos, £20 for Celestine and her guards, £10 for the Inquisitor. That seems a roughly fair split, IMO.

>>51070592
Well, it's not like we expected anything else. I'm sure we can all look forwards to more of this drivel in the months ahead.

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>New inquisitor is the one who got trapped in Trazyn's extra-dimensional sex dungeon in the Crons codex

Thats quite a cool addition, didn't recognise the nane,

>>51070698
I'm a man! Emotional disicions are for women and children in tutu!

>>51070673
Wait for the rules, split them according to point costs.

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>>51070691
>Let's work with pounds for prices
Lets not. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out and I'm just making rough estimate anyway. The whole box is $80 US.

>>51070693
>>51070674
>GW progressing the plot

...Does this mean this is going to be 40k's End Times?

Are we staring into the abyss of Warhammer 40k: Age of Emprah?

>>51070714
Ok, ignore the box entirely and play objectively strongest unit of objectively strongest army instead.

>>51070719
No, the setting will progress a bit and freeze. My guess it will freeze as Abaddon is laying siege to Terra.

>>51070706
>Was too dangerous.
Lame. Its sort of in character though cant wait to read it.

>>51070719
>...Does this mean this is going to be 40k's End Times?

Probably not that far. 40k is GW's main cash cow and they aren't going to risk losing that by Age of Sigmaring it. But expect to see a lot more of GW's current "hahahaha chaos is teh best XD" narrative stamped all over the setting in the future.

>>51070719
Yes and No. They're building to an actual climactic event/permanent shift. They supposedly will not be going full Age of Sigmar though, so don't expect the galaxy to be swallowed by the Warp. You could probably see just about anything short of that however.

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>>51070709
That sounds reasonable

Be a Magos, your Daughter is going out to her first Cog and meat bag dance.
She is going out like this. What do you do?

>>51069296
That's not what they're on about
The Black Legion Speartip let's everything with Deep Strike come in turn 1
This is the closest thing we have to drop pod assault
And drop pods are good

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Remember when you Imperialfags said that Necrons make better allies than Eldar, that Eldar help always leads to disaster?

IN YOUR FACES, MON'KIEGH!


I bet you wished you had Eldar there to help you out.

>>51070741
>Wat do
>>>/trash/

Cadians confirmed squatted?

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>>51070741
>skirt underlighting

tech-heresy of the highest order

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My whole idea for an army is that I have (or rather will - I'm working on them) some stuff as pure Black Legion, some stuff painted BL, but with clear Nurgle conversions, some marines with CCWs painted as BL, but with one shoulder pad red. Basically universtal stuff, like Raptors, Rhinos and Havocs would be clearly BL, while some marines, bikers and a lord would be nurgly BL, and some marines and a lord on a juggy would be khorney BL. Would it be fine with you Anons if I were to run the force as BL/DG/WE interchangeably (ofc themeing with god-aligned units, when using DG/WE)?

>>51069309
>>51069331
Why do people keep posting this and saying she's dead? Right towards the end, clear as day, it says she gets back to her feet, still fucking alive, holy shit. The battle is not over.

>>51070728

It's all so fucking absurd.

The sense of scale is what simply doesn't make sense.

Every Marine Chapter would head for Terra.

Every planet (of which there are a million) would send their regiments.

Abaddon would be facing hundreds of Chapters of Space Marines.

Trillions of Guardsmen

Trillions of Skiitarii

Thousands upon thousands of ships from the Imperial Navy.

dozens of Titan legions

but in reality it will be

Holy Terra is under attack
>Oh um... just... yeah just make a few calls
Shall we call everyone?
>No... no... erm... just like... yeah just a smattering, just a few people
I can try everyone
>Naaaah, just a few Chapters, that's fine

It's all so tiresome.

>>51070744
Eldar prince.

Ramming his ship against the planet killer. In they rammed everything when they show up it was not even funny.


My second playthrou I simply murder the Eldar incompetents.

>>51070760
Are you an idiot. The 13th Black Crusade is happening at the same time as massive Xenos invasions are going on. The biggest Waaagh! in history, the Hive fleets, the Necrons, and thousands of minor xenos races who are now taking their revenge on the Imperium.

Each one of these threats alone can be the death of the Imperium.

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>>51070750
I hope so, their design was generic as shit. I hope something that visually fits the setting better replaces them as DefaultGuard.

>>51070760
There's also Mars like right there, and I doubt they'd just sit around and watch.

>>51070760
Warp storms. Ain't gotta explain shit.

>>51070772
They did sit around and watch when the Orks besieged Terra in the Beast Waaaagh! war.

>>51070760
>Call Everyone.
>Everyone comes.
>Abbadon gets his ass kicked.
>Cheer!
>Hear vox ringing.
>Necron and Orks conquered half the galaxy while everyone was away. Tyranids ate the other half.
>Suddenly, Tyranids at Terra's doorstep.
>Galaxy status: Fucked.

>>51070772
Mars is one malware outbreak away from going full Schism again. You could easily fluff them out of the picture.

>>51070760
You forget the Crimson Path would by design make Warp Travel impossible for everyone who isn't Chaos-aligned. My bet would be the defenders are the local garrison + as many troops they can haul in through the Webway.

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>>51070760

How unviable is a non-guard GSC army, or a non-guard GSC/Tyranids army?

I have a guard army and I don't want to either faggot-up my tanks with heretical shit or rebuy a bunch more tanks.

Not really looking for super competitive but I'd prefer not to fold like wet toilet paper.

>>51069399
Lose his arms?

>>51070779
In 32k.

>>51070755
They're assuming the Pylons turned off her mojo since they're SoB despairposters or asshole gloatposters.

>>51070750

I would fucking kill you and your mother to get new Guard models.

I cannot put into words how much I despise the Cadian sprus

Celestine stabs Abaddon through the spine and he retreats.
Both her and Greyfax survive the battle.

Who's going back to the kitchen NOW?

>>51070592
Trayzn such an asshole

>>51070811

I would kill him and his mother, then sell your mother into white slavery for plastic Solars or Vostrys.

>>51070800
GSC is reeaaallly fucking good mate, you wont need to fuck about with your tonks for a decent list. In fact you could easily field them without doing a thing, go all "muh infected guard force".

>>51070817
I want more stronk womyn in 40k

because it's my fetish

>>51070822
>Solars or Vostrys
Just add Praetorian Guard and you have all the worst.

So the first Admech character has shitty rules and fails at fluff? Dammit.

Hey, he shrunk the fucking Eye of Terror, although no idea if that will continue now the Pylons are down.
Why is this relatively small skirmish important again? Did the Imperium make an orderly retreat or what? I don't particularly care about anyone in this book apart from Cawl, so as far as I know Abbadon, keystone of Chaos just risked his life in a duel against two Guard regiments and some Space Wolves.

Admech have still not used more than their rules conventional forces, too. No Ordinatii?

>>51070800
>How unviable is a non-guard GSC army, or a non-guard GSC/Tyranids army?

Perfectly viable, though you'll mostly be relying on assault to kill the enemy. The Genestealer Cult decurion has two core formations - the Neophyte Cavalcade which is your IG-like armoured convoy, and the Brood Cycle, which is a big ol' mess of hybrids and purestrains. You'd want that, plus Demolition Claw formations to handle your dedicated anti-vehicle work.

Genestealer Cults are allies of convenience with IG, so you can always ally some Guard stuff in on the side without needing to convert. Perfectly justified since they can be explained as hypnotised human "brood brothers" instead of hybrids as well.

>>51070753
Nobody should give a fuck as long as you use CSM models.

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>>51070811
>>51070822

There are whispers, and they are just whispers and nothing more.

That we will be getting new guard in Great Coats.

Nothing else, no source, no nothing, no proof, just murmurs.

and I would so dearly love it to be true.

>>51070800

GSC are absurdly good, I'm an oldfag and even had some of the original models and I went balls to the wall on them before we saw how amazing their rules are.

I can no longer bring them to casual games because unless you're playing some kind of narrative / scenario bullshit you will rape face and it's just almost unfair to your opponent.

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>>51070822
>plastic Solars

i want this so much

>>51070843
>although no idea if that will continue now the Pylons are down.

It would go against the "everyone sucks except Chaos" mantra, so no, it won't.

>>51070842

What's it like having absolutely terrible taste?

Go play Infinity or Battletech or something.

Trick question. You probably think it isn't too bad, because you're consumed by the disease process of your pathologically shit taste.

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>>51070850
>we will be getting new guard in Great Coats

plz be tru

plz have bearskins

Frankly anything would be better than the Not!HaloMarines Cadians.

>>51070800
>faggot-up my tanks with heretical shit
You don't really need to. The option is there with the sprues, but the guard stuff really represents them coopting guard equipment the night before the uprising. Keeping fully imperial markings is perfectly reasonable.

>>51070817
You mean after he bitch-slaps her and he was busy choking the life out of Creed?

BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>51070810
Every single one of them can't be a shitposter

...can they?

Honestly I'm mostly just peeved at people being unable to fucking read and making a great deal of assumptions. It will probably take 3-4 books and 2-8 years before we find out how that battle ends, and I promise you, even if she dies to Abaddon in that fight (which she won't, neither will her bodyguards who just received brand new rules and models), she will come right back. Yeah, it might make sense that Abaddon would outright slay her and that would be it. This isn't a sensible setting. This is GW. This is 40k. They're moving the plot forward, perhaps. but seconds, and I mean SECONDS at a time.

Also you fucking chaosfags, get your shit straight
>Using the sword that killed the Emperor
The fuck are you talking about, first, the Emperor is not dead, though mortally wounded, that's not my biggest issue here, the issue here is Horus did not fucking use Drach'nyen, he used the Talon and a big ass power maul. How are you guys this fucked and deluded?

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It's like...

>>51070860
Baroque garbage a shit.

You probably also think Scions are better than Kasrkins and Mantic are better than GW Orks.

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>>51070877
I have no arms at all.

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>>51070856
>"everyone sucks except Chaos" mantra
Is this real life?

>>51070872
>>Using the sword that killed the Emperor

Nobody said that, you degenerate. We said the sword that contains the daemon so powerful the Emperor couldn't destroy. So powerful that it was eating his soul with each attack.

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>playing against my roomate and his tau army
>fields four devilfish with breacher teams
>my command vanquisher destroys all of them before they can reach my position

>>51070881

You literally are in the wrong game. We space rococo here, bro.

>>51056263

>>51070898
No, Deco or death.

>>51070887
Why the hell you all posting low-res screens?

>>51070907

T. Ethereal Aun'fag'shi't

>>51070877
>>51070887
>Abaddon gets stabbed in the back and runs away
>His armies fail to overcome Cadia's defenses
>Planet explodes anyway due to plot contrivance

>>51070908
Because /tg /can only post poorly compressed shit or raw 8x5k BMP's of their thumbs.

>>51070918
Like your taste, still wrong.

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>>51069309
Anyone willing to bet the next page will have Drach'nyen getting banished back into the warp alongside all of the other daemons, saving Celestine? Cause that sounds like a possibility at this point.

Also, doesn't this kinda fuck over Abaddon's entire plan? The Crimson Path requires him having a daemon army, and he just lost all of it. Hell, the Pylons passively held back the Eye of Terror. Turning them on might cause it to recede at this point.

>>51070174
Isn't ordnance tyrant one of the demagogue options? I think he lets you target your troops with blast weapons. If that's the case I'd take a cheap big tar pit squad and force things into assault where they bunch up and then you lob pieplates at them in the following shooting phase.

>>51070920
Abaddon and his forces were leaving because the planet was exploding. Abaddon wanted to break the Cadians before time ran out. Alas it was not meant to be.

>>51070908
Because they aren't his scans. That's all that was posted.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1579

>>51070932
only if you leave /tg/ for a year if wrong.

>>51070932
The Pylons overloaded and exploded. The Eye is free to go forth.

Read the last page. The gateway of Chaos is more open than it was before.

>>51070935
It lets you target the enemy with blasts if it would touch your own models.

>>51070932
The Pylons exploded along with Cadia. She survives though, Abbadon refused to finish her off for some retarded reason.

>>51070847
Thanks Anon... I was having hard time figuring out, whether other anons were autists, or trolling

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So, this seems like a fine start to me. (keeping 70 points open for gear, depending on what I'm fighting).

750P has always been my favorite entry-point and it will be easy to expand. For 1000, I will upgrade/replace the Renegade Veterans with more meatshields and stock up that second CSM squad. For 1250 and 1500, I will add Havocs, Obliterators and some CSM tanks, if enough space.

Beyond that, it's already too big for my tastes (I prefer smaller games over apocalyptic nonsense), but never say never.

>>51070514
Got it, thanks. I will stick to the vets for budget and point purposes for now, but upgrade it into the swarm once I expand the army.

Will probably go with Autoguns regardess, simply because of how much I love how they look.

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It's not the first time.

Dear Lady, let me express my fulsome appreciation for your most generous gift. It is so very rare to discover another of my own kind that appreciates my work, therefore to find understanding amongst a member of another race is nothing short of a revelation. I realise that you briefly trod my galleries, but the fact that you spotted in so short a time that my Acabrius War collection was lacking three regiments of Catachan warriors reveals that you truly have a collector's eye for detail. And to send five regiments! Such generosity will allow me to weed out and replace a few of the more substandard pieces in my collection. If I might level a minor criticism, the instructions issued to your gift were manifestly not as clear as you thought, as most of them had to be forcibly restrained -- sadly it seems that the lower orders will always behave like an army of invasion, whether that be their purpose or not. However, this is a minor complaint and seems almost churlish under the circumstances, so please allow me to repay your gift with one of my own. Accompanying this message is the Hyperstone Maze, one of a series of Tesseract Labyrinths constructed at the height of the Charnovokh Dynasty. It is a trinket really, only of interest to scholars such as you and I, but I trust you will find it amusing -- assuming you have the wit to escape its clutches, of course.
Hyperscroll message from Trazyn the Infinite, addressed to Inquisitor Valeria, c. 805.M41

>>51070983
That lady is long dead, though.

>>51070983
>forcibly restrained
he literally beams entire battlefields into his collection.

>>51070983
Glorious.

>>51070887
How is Abaddon 'teleporting' without the warp? Seriously GW...

>>51071014
Eliphas opened a portal for him

>>51071017
>without the warp
Come again Anon?

>>51071017

I'm beginning to think Games Workshop uses the Admech as damage mitigation. In Damocles, they put up that giant firewall thing and here they used the Pylons to fuck over Chaos so they could call it a pyrrhic Chaos victory. This does mean they are never actually involved in the plot properly and thus the Heresy-old Archmagos goes to Cadia with some shitty basic troops, rather than Ordinatii by the score, Arks Mechanicus, Myrmidons, all the bullshit he can scrape up. Why not cyclonic torpedo the planet when it's clearly lost and loads of Chaos bigwigs are stuck there for a while since the Warp isn't working?

>>51071017
Mhmmm.... No, I think... not.

>>51071026
Eliphas opened the portal in a timely fashion, before the pylons removed the warp entirely.

If you ask me, he should have refused to open the portal, killing Abaddon and becoming the new Warmaster himself.

>>51071014
The same way the loyalists usually teleport people in terminator armor, maybe?

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>>51071026
>>51071014
Did you read it?

Don't say "warp r al gone"

The story needed more Dark Master desu

>>51071062
Then he would have to contend with the likes of Be'lakor and Huron to keep the title. Nobody wants that.

>>51070464
Yeah me too. My warsmith is a tech marine. I just count the arms as power fist and lightning claw

>>51071070
What, through the warp? Doubt it.

>>51071119
What good is an inheritance without a succession war anyway?

On that topic, why was he called the Inheritor? I can't remember it ever being explained.

>>51071156
It's a insulting name Lorgar gave to him in the HH since he inherited his rank rather than earning it.

There is a HH short story about Eliphas that talks about it.

>>51071176
funny shit coming from the primarch whose entire shtick was relying on others to do shit for him.

>>51070948
>>51070955
Yeah, just saw the last page.

This really seems like another of Abaddon's "wins" with the other Black Crusades, where he achieves some strategic victory at the cost of losing a shit ton of stuff, in this case his daemon army. At least Celestine lives, hoping she gets to rematch Abaddon later without the Pylons springing up to save his ass.

>>51071209
>in this case his daemon army

Daemons are infinite, dude. And those banished daemons can return as the Eye expands and as the traitors start summoning.

>>51071209
If he killed Sigismund and beat Kharn he'd sure as hell send the witch back to the kitchen.

Wait so what happens between this one >>51070887
and this one
>>51070592
That allows chaos to ass-pull a victory again?

>>51071209
"Foolish heroes, now you see my grand scheme, after centuries of planning and at the cost of a mere million super-soldiers i have attained my true goal; to put REALLY nasty stains on your trousers, the dry-cleaning bill shall ruin you! Muahahaha"

>>51071242
Pylons shit themselves and blow up the planet.

Seems GW gave up trying to make a Chaos victory credible.